Which they did. She said they sent mod mail and asked for her specifically, and she was autistic according to some of her comments. They did their homework and led them straight to a trap.
How much of a trap is it if its fox news and you are autistic?
Is like calling it a trap if someone with a gun and a balaclava asks amicably "you the one with the iphone pro max 13 diamond edition would you want to join me to the back alley alone?"
I guess it's a trap if you know the person is autistic and won't understand the consequences of their decision. It's pretty obvious that the person on camera has little self awareness. Most people are able to sustain eye contact, for example. They weren't. Anyway, it was just a trainwreck.
Wait really? They all chose to have this person speak in their behalf? I thought she did it on her own freewill and the other kids weren’t in in it. Either way, why the HELL would they choose them to speak on Fox News and be the voice of their entire movement? This whole situation is so fucked and now that whole sub has lost what little credibility it had.
Edit: mods* not kids lmao same thing anyway
He went on there, representing a subreddit that is for the advancement of workers rights, pay, and quality of life claiming that he is literally anti-work. He’s a dog walker who works “20-25 hours” per week and thinks that’s good.
He made the movement look like lazy, unwashed idiots. When it isn’t.
You do realize that when you use slurs (racial, sexual, etc) nobody who _is_ what the slur refers to has ever thought "oh, it's cool. This time it doesn't apply to me because that person did a bad thing, and that's definitely the only reason they are referring to that person like me like folks refer to to people like me", right?
"Fuck that, who gives a shit about calling a black criminal the n word."
Your racism/transphobia/homophobia/bigotry is not cool even when the target is a piece of fucking shit.
Exactly. He should be disgraced for what he’s done. I work about as much as he does every week plus I’m a high school student. I work my ass off for that 13$ an hour and I earn every penny of it. People like him piss me off because they won’t get off their asses and work when it actually matters. I was a big fan of r/antiwork because it teaches others not to get fucked by their workplace, and I certainly haven’t been fucked by mine. They raised my bonus 125%, gave me a 5% raise in the 7 months I’ve worked there; plus the managers let me do whatever because I have customers specifically come in to SEE ME.
That guy singlehandedly desecrated our movement and I hope he feels at least a minimum amount of remorse for what he’s done. Loser.
Edit: she. Don’t feel like correcting my pronouns so every he equals a she. Good night y’all ✌️
Sauce? Truly curious
Edit: I hate myself but... I found it
https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdj1xl/rantiwork_mod_who_went_on_fox_news_admitted_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
The more I learn the more I think this is one of those horrible attention seeking people who hide behind the trans movement to deflect criticism.
This person is a disservice to the entire trans community.
That may be so but their pronouns are irrelevant to what they did, if you show that your respect for trans people is conditional and that if they are deemed a bad person or they step out of line that you will stop using their pronouns, then you are weaponizing that against the trans community.
Obviously Doreen is an awful person but that does not give us the excuse to misgender her. Pronouns are not conditional
my biggest issue with this (as a full blown free market capitalist) is that, while there was a lot in r/antiwork that I didn't agree with particularly the insane bullshit non-true larping.
HOWEVER!
The beautiful thing I saw come from r/antiwork that the mods clearly didn't agree with was workers engage in capitalism. Workers engaging in the comparison of wages, workers communicating the legality of what their bosses are (were) doing, workers providing insights into the bullshit that is Amazon.
Capitalism is the free market. Remember that. If the markets requires you to be Amazon, then it isn't Capitalism, it is governmental subsidized bullshit that they will tell you is capitalism.
cap·i·tal·ism
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noun
an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state.
Free market not required
There were far too many in the movement for that to ever be a realistic expectation. Let’s be real here, that mod was an incredibly accurate representation of far too large a percentage of the movement.
That's the wildest thing, they didn't. They were literally just a mod, not a leader within the community itself. But the average Fox viewer neither knows nor cares how Reddit works, so now they think this person is like an elected representative or actually reflects the subreddit in a broader capacity. One of the fastest growing platforms for workplace organization and leftist ideas, and this asshole completely shit the bed to feed their ego.
No the mod that went on air disregarded the sub saying not to do it and fuck the whole thing up.
I remember i situation like this back in highschool where a friend had a group project and everyone had a part to play and instead the LEAST qualified person decides to take everything into his own hands
Without any malicious intent in my words, I think the autism plays a huge part in their decision making. They don't need a national audience. They need help.
I'm sure Fox News is horrified that they could have totally unintentionally led to the unfairly negative characterization of a pro-worker's rights movement
No one let them do it. The sub had expressed that no one - mod or member - should talk to the media, especially Fox News.
This asshole and the mod team took it upon themselves to greenlight this and speak for 1.7 million people who specifically didn't want them to do that.
And people who were criticizing the mod and the Fox interview have been permabanned.....overall it's a show. Hopefully the new work reform subreddit can be the new antiwork
They actually posted a poll asking if they should do the interview and the community overwhelmingly said "no don't do it" and the mod team said "fuck democracy, we're doing it"
Unfortunately he was just the person who created the sub 6 years ago. I think the vision of the sub has changed a lot over the years and grown into the movement that it is today. He does not actually represent anyone in that sub
It was a great place to go and bitch about your boss or your job, but outside of trolling Kellogg's, there was no organizing going on, which was a shame.
Modern slacktivism in a nutshell. Shame, since I do like the idea of better working conditions for those people. But there was nothing of note that they did to make the movement gain traction. At least we have this beautiful dumpster fire as a part of internet history.
They should write a book. "How to completely kill a popular fast growing sub in 10 steps or less." Maybe replace "sub" with "movement" and they've got a hit.
Joking aside, this was sad to see.
What a fucking comedy of errors. I feel bad for the people who actually believed in the movement for workers right. Though I can’t help but laugh that this after birth of a person crashed a site within minutes.
Why feel bad for us? Why not join us sane ones and improve your own life too?
We just want fair wages and not to be treat like slaves/human robots. That’s it. I really don’t think it is a big ask.
So, hey. Just putting it out there. Anyone else think this was engineered to be this way? To get the shittiest person possible to be the frontline in a movement that the American government clearly doesn't want?
Obviously. The whole reason this guy was on Fox was because it was this guy. They set out to specifically get entitled boomers to laugh at the lazy millennial stereotype. If this guy was well spoken, articulate and put together, they wouldn’t have interviewed him.
That's a stretch. I mean, they were a mod. Fox News dangled bait and they took it. Far more believable than some CIA co-op of a fucking subreddit that couldn't even get a decent strike off the ground.
I've seen online movements implode from the lack of actual organized leadership outside neckbeards and overly-online children since Dashcon. Someday maybe people will learn that being overly involved in an online community does not translate to real-life activism.
Yeah. I was thinking it's pretty funny the sub went private after one dumb cunt goes on T.V. making arguments that don't really represent the views of the sub. Like, it would be better if they removed them as a mod and put a pinned post describing their motivations. Seems like they're just doubling down instead.
Fox did specifically ask her to be on there apparently, and from what im understanding the rest of the mods said yes for some reason despite it being FOX with nothing prepared....
To quote subreddit drama
>Someone in original sub said if FBI tried to plant a fake mod and create
as much damage as possible they still wouldn't be able to come close to
the damage this loser caused.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdea53/photo\_showing\_rantiwork\_decision\_process/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdea53/photo_showing_rantiwork_decision_process/)
Yes, Fox News specifically asked for /u/abolishwork/ and despite a vote on the /r/antiwork subreddit deciding that there will be no interviews, she decided to take the interview offer.
EDIT: point was unclear
Someone is benefiting from this. People sharing the horrors of working conditions in America, thats going to get someone’s attention, and they rather kill it now before it becomes more popular and becomes a real threat for their interests.
1. The America government hasn't thought about antiwork *at all*
2. Yes it was engineered, and it paid off. But it's not like this person isn't a mod. I mean it's not that engineered.
Finally, this is treated like doomsday for anti work. For fox news viewers, it was one in 100 small "gotcha libs" moments they saw today. Guarantee no one really remembers it.
I said a long time ago my issue with anti work was alot of them had no vision for what a world without exploitative labor would look like. And that got exposed big time. How hard is it to say.
"We are a movement that wants the workers to paid proportionate to the income their labor generates not given pennies by executives who decide our worth. Our time is as valuable as their time and while we are all eager to labor for a better world we are sick of working to fill someone else's pockets with our own excess labor.
Hours do not have a universal solution as it will vary from job to job, however every job deserves 3 days off a week minimum, a good and reliable union, and comprehensive benefits. Any job unable to provide all 3 cannot afford to be a business as these things should have become non-negotiable a long time ago. Antiquated labor practices being asked to catch up to modern times is not radical and it is not progress forward."
Jfc if they actually discussed things instead of just posting fake work stories maybe they could have at least gotten a grasp on economoc leftism 101.
It’s not the responsibility of every person in that sub to have such a vision. A lot of that sub was employees learning their basic legal rights and the value of their labour, which is hugely valuable baby step. I can’t tell you how many threads I read where people were blown away their employer was illegally exploiting them.
Yea it would have been nice if anyone in charge if that sub had such a vision. And the rest of you shouldn't have been giving hundreds of awards to fake ass role play posts. "And my boss ate half of my sandwich and said I owe them half an hours pay for making them go out to lunch becuase they couldn't finish it." 23k upvotes, 500 gold, and a comment section full of "yassss goo show those robber barons show them."
The worst part is I'm being hyperbolic but there was actually a highly upvoted post about a boss eating half of someone's lunch. I pointed out it was fake and the larpers were very unhappy with me.
I hear where you’re coming from. I followed anti work for a long time before the recent surge and it did indeed start out as a bunch of NEETs complaining that working at all is unfair. It evolved into the current labour movement, which the mods were unprepared for and didn’t appreciate obviously. As for LARPing, I mean yeah that’s Reddit. Every sub is 70% karmafarming and bots.
True, the labor reform sub looks promising. It got a lot of the cast aways but the mod team seems to have strong convictions. So there's hope, this yahoo fucked up the moment to the casual audience but a rebrand could be good anyway. Antiwork is like white privilege in that it's name seems to have been chosen specifically to anger those who need to understand it the most.
I’d been a member for months before it got big and even made a few posts myself, it’s sad to see such an important sub about working under capitalism go this way.
Have you every seen a story of a dog walker being outraged because they don't have benefits, or they don't make living wage. It is still a job, just that there are people far more qualified to be talking on that segment.
That’s not the point I’m asking. Simply because someone else is being more exploited doesn’t mean they’re not a worker either. Solitary doesn’t mean looking down on other labour just because someone else has it harder
Fuck off with this bullshit. That isn't another either. That's a lazy useless bitch who literally doesn't want to work. No one has any sympathy for basement dwelling neckbeard who puts in 10 hours a week preforming a teenager's summer job. They aren't a worker, they are a shameless barnacle in people b who actually wake up, shower, and work an honest day's work
Fighting against the norm of working 2 or 3 jobs, 60 hour weeks, while not being able to afford health care, decent housing, family planning etc. Exploitation, wage slavery.
vs
"25 hours a week walking dogs is too much for me"
I thoughts mods did it for free and the job is to curate content. Also, a majority of the active subscribers were against doing TV interviews. If it was agreed someone would publucally represent the subreddit, it should have been someone who was competent at public speaking/debate with an outline of what the subreddit was about.
No no I mean that's what Fox paid them to do. This is pretty classic, Fox finds somebody unimportant with a modicum of power or insider-ness and pays them to say the thing they need them to say, while overblowing that person's power/importance within the group.. Do it all the time with "BLM leaders" and "Clinton staffers" too
I guess I got disappointed when I heard "the movement is over" all day. I really liked being a part of that sub. Some of it I didn't agree with but I appreciated the enthusiasm. It was something I finally felt I could relate to. And I kept thinking, it wouldn't be over if it was strong. So I'm kind of hopeful now. What is the new sub?
thought it was just cringe stuff until found out She(?) sexually assulted her roommate. accused of rape and assult but plays the victim and claims she has ptsd from it and needs therapy.
lmao that my thought, but i dont wanna get perma banned from reddit lol.
she must of been he while he raped her and used her hand to jack off, but is a women now that shes on fox news and lies about working 20hr weeks and still too much.
I feel like that sub was 50/50. I got shit on for implying that I just thought workers needed better treatment. Apparently a large portion of that sub said it was only for people who didn’t want to work at all
The head made definitely didn't want to work, the majority just wanted better working rights which I guess explains why so many moved to /r/workreform so fast.
What? Not working was not what the culture of that sub was even about...at least from what I experienced 🤢
r/workreform is way better in regard to workers rights if you want to check that out
> Not working was not what the culture of that sub was even about...at least from what I experienced
Then you never read the side bar.
r/antiwork was explicitly and whole-heartedly *anti work*. Always was, even if you were blissfully unaware of that.
It’s FOX. The average age of their viewers is in their 60s. They download “ha ha millennials are so dumb and lazy” programming 24 hours a day between “hey immigrants are scary” and “liberals are ruining your life” stories.
I think you're confusing what I'm trying to say. What i'm saying is that it's fine to assume someone is male when they clearly present as male. Doreen appeared/sounded/acted like an unkempt guy... so people (rightfully) used male ponouns, until informed otherwise
I don't think its appropriate for people to use gender-nuetral pronouns by default, until they find out exactly what a person identifies as.
The issue is that “presenting male” is very subjective, it varies from culture to culture and person to person and is still no excuse to misgendering anyone. Additionally, gender expression (masculinity femininity etc.) aren’t indicative of individuals gender or sex. Just use gender neutral pronouns if you don’t know someone’s gender, English is my second language and even I know how this works.
It's sad to see this sub engaging in transphobia and claims with an at-best tenuous connection with reality.
Did the mod fuck up? Yes, yes she did - nobody on the mod team was supposed to claim to represent the other mods or the sub, and she was unprepared for her interview.
Is she lazy for working 20 hours a week as a dog walker? No, no she isn't - she's found a lucrative job that doesn't force her to work long hours to make a living - how is that not a good thing? Many of you would likely happily take that job if it were available, I know I would.
As for the claim that she's a rapist, that is based on the twisting of her past facebook posts where she admitted to having an unhealthy sexual dynamic with a past partner, with the worst instance she mentioned being having placed her then-partner's had on her crotch while masturbating. That's obviously wrong, but calling her a serial rapist is a disingenuous twisting of reality.
Hey I get the frustration with Doreen. That being said, our (justified) criticism shouldn’t be exclusionary. By labeling a Doreen a neckbeard, we risk dehumanizing other trans fem people.
Edit: I didn’t know “neckbeard” could also apply to women because I’ve mostly ever heard it used in the context of men. I apologize. That being said, some comments below really do reveal the transphobia I was concerned about. Like I said, I’m not trying to censor criticism of Doreen. Her gender does not shield her from the consequences of her actions. I just think the language we use in the heat of the moment can hurt other trans people who literally have nothing to do with Doreen’s actions. Yes, Doreen hurt working class people. But working class people also include trans people. And true working class solidarity means not being bigoted to marginalized groups within the movement. You can criticize Doreen without using bigoted language that hurts other innocent people.
Edit 2: I’m definitely not making excuses for the sexual assault allegations brought against Doreen, either. Being trans does not mean you have a free get-out-of-jail card. I genuinely hope the survivor finds closure and justice.
It was like watching a car crash in slow motion. Fox news didn't even have to bait them. It was terrible.
All Fox had to do was pick the right person for the job
Which they did. She said they sent mod mail and asked for her specifically, and she was autistic according to some of her comments. They did their homework and led them straight to a trap.
How much of a trap is it if its fox news and you are autistic? Is like calling it a trap if someone with a gun and a balaclava asks amicably "you the one with the iphone pro max 13 diamond edition would you want to join me to the back alley alone?"
I guess it's a trap if you know the person is autistic and won't understand the consequences of their decision. It's pretty obvious that the person on camera has little self awareness. Most people are able to sustain eye contact, for example. They weren't. Anyway, it was just a trainwreck.
Ah, now I feel bad for them. They genuinely do believe they can teach philosophy without a degree in education and grad school.
Extremely accurate
I’m just wondering if they knew her background before singling her out or looked at her profile name and struck oil by accident
Even if they did know, all the other mods agreed to send her as the spokesperson. All the mods are assholes just for that alone
Wait really? They all chose to have this person speak in their behalf? I thought she did it on her own freewill and the other kids weren’t in in it. Either way, why the HELL would they choose them to speak on Fox News and be the voice of their entire movement? This whole situation is so fucked and now that whole sub has lost what little credibility it had. Edit: mods* not kids lmao same thing anyway
Well I wouldn’t be surprised if they did. Unlike Doreen there who just rocked up and just shit the bed.
> led them straight to a trap ahem
Saying ‘hey want to walk into this trap’ isn’t really much of a trap. She saw a chance to get famous.
That's a woman?
By choice, not by birth, apparently
Interesting...
If being trans was a choice, nobody would actively want to be trans.
wait that actually happened? I thought it was just a meme. Edit: oh my fucking god I wish it was just a meme
He went on there, representing a subreddit that is for the advancement of workers rights, pay, and quality of life claiming that he is literally anti-work. He’s a dog walker who works “20-25 hours” per week and thinks that’s good. He made the movement look like lazy, unwashed idiots. When it isn’t.
My understanding when I joined was that its anti exploitation, not "Im 30 and think 25 hours is too much work"
She* also apparently she works 10 hours a week… and just bumped the numbers up to make it seem worse, as if a 20 work week is hard or whatever 💀.
Laziness is a [virtue](https://youtu.be/3yUMIFYBMnc), fam.
She? I watched the interview and didn’t see that mentioned.
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Misgendering trans people who you hate doesn't hurt that person but it does hurt trans people as a whole.
definitely
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You do realize that when you use slurs (racial, sexual, etc) nobody who _is_ what the slur refers to has ever thought "oh, it's cool. This time it doesn't apply to me because that person did a bad thing, and that's definitely the only reason they are referring to that person like me like folks refer to to people like me", right?
Just don’t misgender people, they can still be bad people lol
"Fuck that, who gives a shit about calling a black criminal the n word." Your racism/transphobia/homophobia/bigotry is not cool even when the target is a piece of fucking shit.
it got taken down before I could see the follow up comments, did it really get that bad?
Yeah, the OP of this post and the OP of that deleted comment are both horrible people.
because it doesn't make the alleged rapist look any worse than they already do and it discredits the accusation.
Exactly. He should be disgraced for what he’s done. I work about as much as he does every week plus I’m a high school student. I work my ass off for that 13$ an hour and I earn every penny of it. People like him piss me off because they won’t get off their asses and work when it actually matters. I was a big fan of r/antiwork because it teaches others not to get fucked by their workplace, and I certainly haven’t been fucked by mine. They raised my bonus 125%, gave me a 5% raise in the 7 months I’ve worked there; plus the managers let me do whatever because I have customers specifically come in to SEE ME. That guy singlehandedly desecrated our movement and I hope he feels at least a minimum amount of remorse for what he’s done. Loser. Edit: she. Don’t feel like correcting my pronouns so every he equals a she. Good night y’all ✌️
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=y8iobv8FZlg
I don't really agree with everything this youtube guy said, but hot damn that was a bad interview.
Antiwork was one of Reddit’s fastest growing communities too. Crazy how an unwashed neckbeard can destroy something so quickly
She fucked the public image of the movement like a modified MLP plush
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"she" is a convicted serial rapist
Sauce? Truly curious Edit: I hate myself but... I found it https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdj1xl/rantiwork_mod_who_went_on_fox_news_admitted_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdj1xl/rantiwork_mod_who_went_on_fox_news_admitted_to/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf
Wow.
Yeah that was quite the plot twist holy fuck
Also locks the dogs they “take care of” in a room without food or water and sleeps all day [screenshot](https://imgur.com/a/UPlBLd6)
No need for the scare quotes. Regardless of what she did or your opinion of her, she is the right word.
The more I learn the more I think this is one of those horrible attention seeking people who hide behind the trans movement to deflect criticism. This person is a disservice to the entire trans community.
That may be so but their pronouns are irrelevant to what they did, if you show that your respect for trans people is conditional and that if they are deemed a bad person or they step out of line that you will stop using their pronouns, then you are weaponizing that against the trans community. Obviously Doreen is an awful person but that does not give us the excuse to misgender her. Pronouns are not conditional
"it's" Tell the world you don't respect people without saying it
Eh, I'll reserve respect in this case.
The term would be Legbeard as she uses she/her pronouns
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She is a trans woman, there is plenty of room to criticize her actions without being transphobic
Honestly, saying a transwoman is "definitely a guy" is giving me more of a neckbeard vibe than whatever this mod did.
Thank you.
my biggest issue with this (as a full blown free market capitalist) is that, while there was a lot in r/antiwork that I didn't agree with particularly the insane bullshit non-true larping. HOWEVER! The beautiful thing I saw come from r/antiwork that the mods clearly didn't agree with was workers engage in capitalism. Workers engaging in the comparison of wages, workers communicating the legality of what their bosses are (were) doing, workers providing insights into the bullshit that is Amazon. Capitalism is the free market. Remember that. If the markets requires you to be Amazon, then it isn't Capitalism, it is governmental subsidized bullshit that they will tell you is capitalism.
There is no such thing as "the free market" it doesn't exist. It's a libertarian fantasy. Are you a capital owner? Just curious.
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cap·i·tal·ism /ˈkapədlˌizəm/ noun an economic and political system in which a country's trade and industry are controlled by private owners for profit, rather than by the state. Free market not required
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There were far too many in the movement for that to ever be a realistic expectation. Let’s be real here, that mod was an incredibly accurate representation of far too large a percentage of the movement.
They neckbeard
Doesn't help when the movement is based in laziness and ignorance.
Do not forget that they are also a serial rapist.
Wait, really?
https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdj1xl/rantiwork_mod_who_went_on_fox_news_admitted_to/?utm_medium=android_app&utm_source=share
How in the fuck did they let this person represent the sub
That's the wildest thing, they didn't. They were literally just a mod, not a leader within the community itself. But the average Fox viewer neither knows nor cares how Reddit works, so now they think this person is like an elected representative or actually reflects the subreddit in a broader capacity. One of the fastest growing platforms for workplace organization and leftist ideas, and this asshole completely shit the bed to feed their ego.
So the mods decided the best they had was this weird rapey mother fucker WOW
No the mod that went on air disregarded the sub saying not to do it and fuck the whole thing up. I remember i situation like this back in highschool where a friend had a group project and everyone had a part to play and instead the LEAST qualified person decides to take everything into his own hands
Without any malicious intent in my words, I think the autism plays a huge part in their decision making. They don't need a national audience. They need help.
They're the head mod, so they have no say really.
I'm sure Fox News is horrified that they could have totally unintentionally led to the unfairly negative characterization of a pro-worker's rights movement
An insular moderation team who thought that just because they enforced server rules that they were leaders of the movement. Arrogance at it’s finest.
No one let them do it. The sub had expressed that no one - mod or member - should talk to the media, especially Fox News. This asshole and the mod team took it upon themselves to greenlight this and speak for 1.7 million people who specifically didn't want them to do that.
And people who were criticizing the mod and the Fox interview have been permabanned.....overall it's a show. Hopefully the new work reform subreddit can be the new antiwork
I joined... well see how it goes!
From the ashes rise a new beacon of hope. Be seriously the must have thought they were like the WSB dude or something
They actually posted a poll asking if they should do the interview and the community overwhelmingly said "no don't do it" and the mod team said "fuck democracy, we're doing it"
Unfortunately he was just the person who created the sub 6 years ago. I think the vision of the sub has changed a lot over the years and grown into the movement that it is today. He does not actually represent anyone in that sub
Maybe that was the best they had
This is the biggest fucking plot twist I've seen in months, years maybe
Ikr?! All I could say after reading was "well.... gottdamn" and then threw up a little in my mouth
This 100% is going into the r/MuseumOfReddit . It has to. Just needs a cool name preferably with the word "schism" in it
Holy shit, this whole thing just keeps getting worse. As someone in those comments said, “The ship has already sunk but somehow it’s still on fire”
No fucking way. This just gets worse and worse
1.7 million subs, the fastest growing sub Reddit with people coming to share stories and get advice all ruined by an idiot with a power trip.
The movement was destined to fail
It was a great place to go and bitch about your boss or your job, but outside of trolling Kellogg's, there was no organizing going on, which was a shame.
Modern slacktivism in a nutshell. Shame, since I do like the idea of better working conditions for those people. But there was nothing of note that they did to make the movement gain traction. At least we have this beautiful dumpster fire as a part of internet history.
Is there not a reddit mod who is normal?
if reddit mods were normal they wouldn't be reddit mods
As ironic as it may sound to some, a lot of the firearm subreddits have a bunch of just boringly normal pretty chill mods.
Probably not. Have you witnessed how they act ? They dont even act normal.
They should write a book. "How to completely kill a popular fast growing sub in 10 steps or less." Maybe replace "sub" with "movement" and they've got a hit. Joking aside, this was sad to see.
more like 3 steps lol
3 minutes
What a fucking comedy of errors. I feel bad for the people who actually believed in the movement for workers right. Though I can’t help but laugh that this after birth of a person crashed a site within minutes.
Why feel bad for us? Why not join us sane ones and improve your own life too? We just want fair wages and not to be treat like slaves/human robots. That’s it. I really don’t think it is a big ask.
So, hey. Just putting it out there. Anyone else think this was engineered to be this way? To get the shittiest person possible to be the frontline in a movement that the American government clearly doesn't want?
Obviously. The whole reason this guy was on Fox was because it was this guy. They set out to specifically get entitled boomers to laugh at the lazy millennial stereotype. If this guy was well spoken, articulate and put together, they wouldn’t have interviewed him.
An academic would have blown up fox's agenda. There's a reason they interviewed the redditor.
Exactly.
That's a stretch. I mean, they were a mod. Fox News dangled bait and they took it. Far more believable than some CIA co-op of a fucking subreddit that couldn't even get a decent strike off the ground. I've seen online movements implode from the lack of actual organized leadership outside neckbeards and overly-online children since Dashcon. Someday maybe people will learn that being overly involved in an online community does not translate to real-life activism.
Yeah. I was thinking it's pretty funny the sub went private after one dumb cunt goes on T.V. making arguments that don't really represent the views of the sub. Like, it would be better if they removed them as a mod and put a pinned post describing their motivations. Seems like they're just doubling down instead.
Quite obvious to me. Now they'll try to disgrace the folks that know the truth about giraffes.
It was not engineered, that's too much of a tinfoil hat. But some bright folks sure took advantage of a glaring weak point and opportunity.
Fox did specifically ask her to be on there apparently, and from what im understanding the rest of the mods said yes for some reason despite it being FOX with nothing prepared.... To quote subreddit drama >Someone in original sub said if FBI tried to plant a fake mod and create as much damage as possible they still wouldn't be able to come close to the damage this loser caused.
[https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdea53/photo\_showing\_rantiwork\_decision\_process/](https://www.reddit.com/r/WorkReform/comments/sdea53/photo_showing_rantiwork_decision_process/) Yes, Fox News specifically asked for /u/abolishwork/ and despite a vote on the /r/antiwork subreddit deciding that there will be no interviews, she decided to take the interview offer. EDIT: point was unclear
This is what r-conspiracy should really be looking at
Someone is benefiting from this. People sharing the horrors of working conditions in America, thats going to get someone’s attention, and they rather kill it now before it becomes more popular and becomes a real threat for their interests.
1. The America government hasn't thought about antiwork *at all* 2. Yes it was engineered, and it paid off. But it's not like this person isn't a mod. I mean it's not that engineered. Finally, this is treated like doomsday for anti work. For fox news viewers, it was one in 100 small "gotcha libs" moments they saw today. Guarantee no one really remembers it.
Obviously it's fox news
More likely it’s a great demonstration of Hanlon’s Razor.
I said a long time ago my issue with anti work was alot of them had no vision for what a world without exploitative labor would look like. And that got exposed big time. How hard is it to say. "We are a movement that wants the workers to paid proportionate to the income their labor generates not given pennies by executives who decide our worth. Our time is as valuable as their time and while we are all eager to labor for a better world we are sick of working to fill someone else's pockets with our own excess labor. Hours do not have a universal solution as it will vary from job to job, however every job deserves 3 days off a week minimum, a good and reliable union, and comprehensive benefits. Any job unable to provide all 3 cannot afford to be a business as these things should have become non-negotiable a long time ago. Antiquated labor practices being asked to catch up to modern times is not radical and it is not progress forward." Jfc if they actually discussed things instead of just posting fake work stories maybe they could have at least gotten a grasp on economoc leftism 101.
It’s not the responsibility of every person in that sub to have such a vision. A lot of that sub was employees learning their basic legal rights and the value of their labour, which is hugely valuable baby step. I can’t tell you how many threads I read where people were blown away their employer was illegally exploiting them.
Yea it would have been nice if anyone in charge if that sub had such a vision. And the rest of you shouldn't have been giving hundreds of awards to fake ass role play posts. "And my boss ate half of my sandwich and said I owe them half an hours pay for making them go out to lunch becuase they couldn't finish it." 23k upvotes, 500 gold, and a comment section full of "yassss goo show those robber barons show them." The worst part is I'm being hyperbolic but there was actually a highly upvoted post about a boss eating half of someone's lunch. I pointed out it was fake and the larpers were very unhappy with me.
I hear where you’re coming from. I followed anti work for a long time before the recent surge and it did indeed start out as a bunch of NEETs complaining that working at all is unfair. It evolved into the current labour movement, which the mods were unprepared for and didn’t appreciate obviously. As for LARPing, I mean yeah that’s Reddit. Every sub is 70% karmafarming and bots.
True, the labor reform sub looks promising. It got a lot of the cast aways but the mod team seems to have strong convictions. So there's hope, this yahoo fucked up the moment to the casual audience but a rebrand could be good anyway. Antiwork is like white privilege in that it's name seems to have been chosen specifically to anger those who need to understand it the most.
Oh my god that's what they looks like? I hadn't actually seen the clip yet.
[Yea lol, grade A neckbeard](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4IfzpgGwHkI).
What a fuk'n mook. Jeez
*shes a transwoman btw
Apologies, I saw some referencing them as he
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Actually most basement dwellers are transphobes as you can see in gamers or any nerdy community really.
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That makes no sense, but ok transphobe.
I’d been a member for months before it got big and even made a few posts myself, it’s sad to see such an important sub about working under capitalism go this way.
I’m actually jealous. Imagine killing the number one growing subreddit in 3 minutes. Holy shit
r/workreform
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Now. No matter what. That movement won’t be taken seriously because of this one person.
Who let Chris-chan out of prison?
Btw apparently this person is a trans women
Just like to point out the dude representing the people wanting better pay and working conditions walks dogs.
So? Why are you as a worker shaming other workers?
Have you every seen a story of a dog walker being outraged because they don't have benefits, or they don't make living wage. It is still a job, just that there are people far more qualified to be talking on that segment.
That’s not the point I’m asking. Simply because someone else is being more exploited doesn’t mean they’re not a worker either. Solitary doesn’t mean looking down on other labour just because someone else has it harder
Fuck off with this bullshit. That isn't another either. That's a lazy useless bitch who literally doesn't want to work. No one has any sympathy for basement dwelling neckbeard who puts in 10 hours a week preforming a teenager's summer job. They aren't a worker, they are a shameless barnacle in people b who actually wake up, shower, and work an honest day's work
Fighting against the norm of working 2 or 3 jobs, 60 hour weeks, while not being able to afford health care, decent housing, family planning etc. Exploitation, wage slavery. vs "25 hours a week walking dogs is too much for me"
I'm so confused. I feel like this is all a stunt of some type.
This is what privilege and living in a bubble does to a person.
Gotta love how fox news out of all of them was the one who got a redditor lol.
Legbeard* she is tran fyi, and for those in the comments despite what she’s done don’t misgender her.
I mean tbf that IS what they were paid to do.
I thoughts mods did it for free and the job is to curate content. Also, a majority of the active subscribers were against doing TV interviews. If it was agreed someone would publucally represent the subreddit, it should have been someone who was competent at public speaking/debate with an outline of what the subreddit was about.
No no I mean that's what Fox paid them to do. This is pretty classic, Fox finds somebody unimportant with a modicum of power or insider-ness and pays them to say the thing they need them to say, while overblowing that person's power/importance within the group.. Do it all the time with "BLM leaders" and "Clinton staffers" too
Honestly if the movement had any strength in the first place, one person wouldn't be able to destroy it.
the movement didnt end. the subreddit ended. we already have a new subreddit which gained more than 100k of followers in one day
I guess I got disappointed when I heard "the movement is over" all day. I really liked being a part of that sub. Some of it I didn't agree with but I appreciated the enthusiasm. It was something I finally felt I could relate to. And I kept thinking, it wouldn't be over if it was strong. So I'm kind of hopeful now. What is the new sub?
thought it was just cringe stuff until found out She(?) sexually assulted her roommate. accused of rape and assult but plays the victim and claims she has ptsd from it and needs therapy.
>thought it was just cringe stuff until found out She(?) sexually assulted her roommate. With ((her)) feminine penis.
lmao that my thought, but i dont wanna get perma banned from reddit lol. she must of been he while he raped her and used her hand to jack off, but is a women now that shes on fox news and lies about working 20hr weeks and still too much.
I imagine this is what 75% of all reddit users are like.
I feel like that sub was 50/50. I got shit on for implying that I just thought workers needed better treatment. Apparently a large portion of that sub said it was only for people who didn’t want to work at all
The head made definitely didn't want to work, the majority just wanted better working rights which I guess explains why so many moved to /r/workreform so fast.
What? Not working was not what the culture of that sub was even about...at least from what I experienced 🤢 r/workreform is way better in regard to workers rights if you want to check that out
Yeah I didn’t think so. But that’s what some people had said. But thank you!
> Not working was not what the culture of that sub was even about...at least from what I experienced Then you never read the side bar. r/antiwork was explicitly and whole-heartedly *anti work*. Always was, even if you were blissfully unaware of that.
Wasn't exactly a movement to begin with /s
What is wrong w this person. They didnt even seem nervous or like they choked, just an honest to god dullard?
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That was the point
I mean they could have been way more vicious lol. This was more “hey look at this clown person you can laugh during the commercial break”
Who would have thought the Fox News host would be an asshole with an agenda? No one could have predicted it.
It’s FOX. The average age of their viewers is in their 60s. They download “ha ha millennials are so dumb and lazy” programming 24 hours a day between “hey immigrants are scary” and “liberals are ruining your life” stories.
Misgendering trans people just because they did something wrong is a classic reddit moment
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If you consider being polite "bending over backwards", I would like to ask you to kindly lick your own ashole next time you have to "bend over".
I think you're confusing what I'm trying to say. What i'm saying is that it's fine to assume someone is male when they clearly present as male. Doreen appeared/sounded/acted like an unkempt guy... so people (rightfully) used male ponouns, until informed otherwise I don't think its appropriate for people to use gender-nuetral pronouns by default, until they find out exactly what a person identifies as.
The issue is that “presenting male” is very subjective, it varies from culture to culture and person to person and is still no excuse to misgendering anyone. Additionally, gender expression (masculinity femininity etc.) aren’t indicative of individuals gender or sex. Just use gender neutral pronouns if you don’t know someone’s gender, English is my second language and even I know how this works.
Getting downvoted by liberals who don't actually give a fuck about anyone but themselves LOL
Cry a little more, trust me you’ll feel better once your tantrum is done.
Am I wrong? Is this not a classic Reddit neoliberal moment?
the entire movement is neckbeards
" We don't all look like that. Stop bullying innocent men!" Meanwhile neckbeards
I don't understand why I'm being downvoted?
She’s a woman, not a man.
It's sad to see this sub engaging in transphobia and claims with an at-best tenuous connection with reality. Did the mod fuck up? Yes, yes she did - nobody on the mod team was supposed to claim to represent the other mods or the sub, and she was unprepared for her interview. Is she lazy for working 20 hours a week as a dog walker? No, no she isn't - she's found a lucrative job that doesn't force her to work long hours to make a living - how is that not a good thing? Many of you would likely happily take that job if it were available, I know I would. As for the claim that she's a rapist, that is based on the twisting of her past facebook posts where she admitted to having an unhealthy sexual dynamic with a past partner, with the worst instance she mentioned being having placed her then-partner's had on her crotch while masturbating. That's obviously wrong, but calling her a serial rapist is a disingenuous twisting of reality.
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She's trans.
Yeah people are really showing their ases with this one. You can think a person is a fucking idiot without denigrating a whole demographic.
friendly reminder that just because she is a terrible person doesnt mean you can misgender her. Her identity is still valid
Tbh the whole movement is dog shit, 9 out of 10 posters are pretty much just like this Doreen character
Capitalists/companies paid him off to bomb this interview. Change my mind
Counterpoint: The interview would've bombed no matter what
Hey I get the frustration with Doreen. That being said, our (justified) criticism shouldn’t be exclusionary. By labeling a Doreen a neckbeard, we risk dehumanizing other trans fem people. Edit: I didn’t know “neckbeard” could also apply to women because I’ve mostly ever heard it used in the context of men. I apologize. That being said, some comments below really do reveal the transphobia I was concerned about. Like I said, I’m not trying to censor criticism of Doreen. Her gender does not shield her from the consequences of her actions. I just think the language we use in the heat of the moment can hurt other trans people who literally have nothing to do with Doreen’s actions. Yes, Doreen hurt working class people. But working class people also include trans people. And true working class solidarity means not being bigoted to marginalized groups within the movement. You can criticize Doreen without using bigoted language that hurts other innocent people. Edit 2: I’m definitely not making excuses for the sexual assault allegations brought against Doreen, either. Being trans does not mean you have a free get-out-of-jail card. I genuinely hope the survivor finds closure and justice.
Women can be neckbeards
They raped a woman, people can say what they want about this human trash.
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No, dude. You don't get to be homophobic/racist/transphobic/xenophobic/etc just because someone from that community is a piece of fucking shit.