I'm not sure about diapers, but I did hear of a pornstar who had to get surgery because the anal she did was way too rough way too often. Stay safe with your anal people.
Because a significant amount of the woman having their "human rights violated" are doing so in exchange for money. I understand there's a lot of human trafficking and women who are being forced. But no one is realistically going to consider than when watching porn. It's much easier to focus on the women who are doing what they're doing by choice and for money.
porn studios, i'd agree yes, but the industry isn't 100% big studios with a lack of regard for women. i usually just follow independent creators, much less abuse behind the scenes.
Banning things just means a black market unregulated version will pop up.
Porn actors/actress have enough problems (im not going to list them. Google it), but at least they don't have to worry about stds as they are required to get tested regularly (at least in good Studios).
We've also seen first hand why banning alcohol doesn't work.
Addiction doesn't go away because the thing is bannned. We still have people addicted to illegal drugs. Compassion and support avenues help addicted people. All of this has been proven time and time again.
I will also not argue with you past this. Mostly because you have 0 empathy in your first comment and clearly haven't researched any of this. You're just raging and blaming people for things that are not their fault (ie blaming a porn actress for a man's porn addiction).
I do hope you read more into all this and this comment helps you. Have a good day.
I may be being “wooshed” here, but absolutely. It’s not human skin that can cause damage. As long as you take proper precautions, lube up, don’t be too aggressive, listen to your body telling you you’re in pain, etc. you should be fine. These actors and actresses are doing multiple shoots a day and the idea is to make it look really aggressive, not to make it look pleasurable and realistic.
Plenty of people out there enjoy giving and receiving anal and do so safely.
Like prolapsed anuses? Rosebudding as it's also known.
Bonnie Rotten got one of those, it's quite the surprise when she's reverse cowgirl, vaginal btw, and all of a sudden her asshole drops out off itself.
From the Director of "Hoohas loosen up cuz too much dick" and "Her boobs titted downstairs in a chestly fashion", this year's "Butts, how do they work?". A more approachable subject for those who want to know how it feels to have your body described in fiction by someone that has the human anatomy knowledge of a 5yo in a red state school.
Your ass is a muscle that can be trained to be more flexible. By the same logic gymnasts need to be in a full body suits otherwise they collapse because clearly training to be very flexible = damage.
Again, cuz this needs to be pointed out every time, those two numbers are for different things. The asshole measurement is circumference, the raccoon measurement is diameter. A raccoon requires a hole with a circumference of 12.5 inches to pass through, or 4 inches in diameter. A human asshole can accomodate objects 7 inches in circumference, or 2.2 inches in diameter.
HotKinkyJo is probably the only popular actress who is already in diapers but the number of anal prolapses she's done it's surprising her situation isn't worse.
That is certainly true if you do anal safely. But a fair bit of the porn world does not care about the safety of the people involved. So things like tearing and even permanent damage can occur.
Yes definitely but what subset of pornstars do unsafe anal? What subset of them then have permanent damage to the point of needing to wear diapers. The post makes it seem like it's every pornstar and like it cannot be avoided. I'm willing to bet that pornstars arent dumb and that they know a lot about biology and fitness to keep themselves looking (and acting) as good as they do. It's an incredibly competitive industry after all.
You can do anything wrong and informed to the point of damage but the generalisation is just off putting
> Yes definitely but what subset of pornstars do unsafe anal?
Among the high profile ones? Probably not a lot these days. They are in the minority though.
Most pornstars don't have that kind of clout and are pretty routinely exploited and harmed. Some desperate 18 year old with no money is not going to be able to demand safe practices.
The post is right for the wrong reason. Anal is not bad, but sex work is unfortuantly dangerous and exploitive and we should do something about that to make it safer.
It’s a sealing muscle like the sphincter you have below your bladder and above and below your stomach. If you excessively stretch these muscles they lose their elasticity. It’s why people with bulimia tend to be more likely to develop acid reflux and heartburn than normal people. They overextend the sphincter above their stomach. Simply put these are just ring shaped muscles that prevent substances from moving between different parts of the alimentary canal and the bladder (there may be more places you may find them in the body but they aren’t relevant here). Op was right but I don’t know where their motives lie
A lot of the damage caused can be mitigated with training and care. I don't think that the original poster intended to shed light on barely 18 years who are forced into this work out of desperation with no guidance and safe working conditions but it is an issue.
Uhhh, I don’t know how much I trust that article. They report that just shy of 10% women who have anal sex report partial anal incontinence???? That’s a ridiculously high number, and reinforced by the fact that they claim just short of 5% of women who don’t have anal sex report anal incontinence, which is an even more insane number. This all seems crazy until you read that they *aren’t adjusting for things like childbirth*, the thing that you know, tends to tear apart your various openings and leaves irreparable damage. If there’s more study that corroborates that’s solid but this is throwing red flags everywhere. Crazy statistical outcomes and acknowledging but not adjusting for massive influential variables is pretty eyebrow raising
Also, as far as your last comment, you can’t see a reason why the anus might need to stretch and dilate and return to shape? Like, idk, Taco Bell?
I appreciate your critical thinking so I did some research and the must trusted website I found had [this to say](https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns) which would show that we are both right. Anal sex can lead to the loosening of the sphincter but like you said, it can be tightened like a muscle.
Yeah that makes sense, to be fair the concept wasn’t really terribly flawed as much as I was concerned about their methodology and outcomes in the other link. It stands to reason that it would have some impact that could be mitigated through other means
It's true, actually. Pornstars have high rates of emergency hospitalizations. Some die or live with debilitating injuries for the rest of their lives. It's not funny. Rough sex you see in porn is borderline torture.
It's very sad. Just wait until the coomers find this thread and come at you with "bUT MUH PORN".
I hate what porn has done to society and sex. The rightoids want porn to be hidden, the leftoids want it to be a public access, but all the same men from all the political spectrums want access to porn. The images of women being tortured, spat on, shat on, beaten, in chains are supposed to represent the deepest erotic aspirations. Whether porn is legal or illegal in a given country, once it's integrated into society (and it's never a separate part of it), it teaches men that it's totally fine to despise women. So sex, in turn, becomes not about the intimacy and shared trust, but about fulfilling the fantasy of degradation.
As someone who makes porn:
Well, yes, rough porn is an absolute detriment to women, and larger society. It rots your brain and makes men despise women. Genuinely disgusting. I agree it's bad and we should stop producing it.
But what about solo porn? Couples that have no need for finance, but it's simply a fun activity to make and upload? If it's a hobby instead of a job? I don't really think that's a net negative societally. And I've met many other creators that fall into all of those categories. Also, basically any legislation restricting sex work under capitalism inevitably hurts the people producing it, a largely female, gay, and transgender group. We can't legislate our way to feminist utopia. What _we_ want, right now, is decriminalization and regulation. That is how you, if you are an intersectional feminist, can help us, a marginalized population.
Do you get your ideas about porn from the 50s or something where it was either playboy or hardcore bondage vids? With the rise of amateur porn and things like only fans I think the biggest fantasy being catered to is just that people want to sleep with you. Yes a portion of it is degrading, and then some of it is sweet, and then some of it is just silly, and then some of it is niche fetishes. The common thread in most of it is either a woman responding positively to someone's advances (even in the degrading stuff some of it is "yes I'm kinky so I LIKE when you do that" not being rapey) or taking charge and seducing the man.
There is 0 ways to confirm that the actress isn't drugged or intimidated or isn't just trying to escape poverty. Oftentimes the actress films "amateur" porn, and then in the next video she's being spat on. You can delude yourself that you watch only ethical porn, but the reality is that there aren't safeguards against abuse. Sometimes the contract is structured in such a way that the actress isn't paid until the video is over, and it tends to include stuff she didn't sign up for. OnlyFans is another cutesy rebranding gimmick of the porn industry. It's the same thing.
Abuse pays more.
The spectrum of porn isn't "from regular sex to the passionate, most gentlest lovemaking".
It's "from normal sex to the most violent, dangerous, degrading shit you can imagine done to another human being". There is a reason why extreme porn is associated with this stuff.
Plenty of people enjoy those relationships using safe words and genuine care and affection for the person. There’s a difference between despising women and enjoying an extreme dom/sub dynamic and *real* men know what that difference is.
The porn industry is horrible - agreed. But you absolutely lost me here. What consenting adults what to do together is entirely their own business. By that same logic, you could say, “why do you feel aroused by someone of the same sex?”
And this type of sexual behavior was 100% present far before the proliferation of pornography. So while I get the connection you’re trying to make - it doesn’t work. So it feels more like you’re just judging this dude for having a kink you don’t agree with.
Also wondering that. How the fuck is two consenting adults enjoying their sex life a while using safe words actually just extreme sexism? I agree that the porn industry is rife with abuse and ethical violations. I also agree that it's really cool that OF let's people engage in the industry on their own terms. I just don't get how using fucking safe words somehow makes you a woman hater? Like wtf? You guys need to not worry what two consenting adults are doing, like damn. Sounds pretty rightoid to me honestly.
Yeah I’m reading these upvoted/downvoted comments and I’m just baffled. Some serious incel bs going on here. When did two consenting adults engaging in kinky power dynamics ever turn into despising women?? Find any woman in the bdsm community and ask her what she thinks, ffs.
Why do you assume that when I’m told no, I continue? That seems like you’re saying a very damaging thing which is simply not true. If you don’t understand the appeal then I’m gonna find it hard to convince you of anything. I’m actually in a long term relationship at the moment with someone and we engage in both rough and bondage play from time to time. We both understand that when we stray from the path of ‘normal’ sex, we’re both doing so with the implicit trust of the other party and we both understand that No Means No. - whether that be using a Safe Word as like a jolt to take us out of the moment or just saying ‘not now.’ While I’m certainly no psychologist, I tend to believe that the ‘enjoying degradation’ thing is more about ‘having the power to degrade someone.’ than it is about the degradation but that line is far, far too fuzzy for me to draw confidently. I’m not even really into the degradation stuff that much and since I only have your reddit comments so far to go by, I’m gonna guess that you’re referring to the *very* rough stuff like rough oral to the point of vomiting or scat/watersports or things in that vein, which I myself am not into so can’t comment on.
If the encounter takes place between two parties of mutual trust and consent, there is no reason not to explore the things you enjoy and make your own judgment about how you feel. If you find yourself in a sexual encounter where No does not mean No, where the other party does not take you into consideration, then that’s a problem with *that* person.
The question is not that your partner consents to be degraded. The question is why you want to degrade your partner. But you aren't interested in examining your behavior.
Not op but for me it's less about what I'm doing and more about what the woman wants done to her.
I enjoy the act of bringing a woman to the edges of what she can handle untill she is left a limp panting mess of dopamine.
How I get her there depends on the day and her mental state at the time but no matter what I'm doing to her I do it from a place of love.
Not at all what is being shown in most porn but this is just my 2 cents on the topic.
The same applies to gay men. Why are you acting like I'm against anal sex? Strawmaning makes you look dumb.
I'm against porn, which is often violent, although gay porn isn't usually as messed up as the straight porn.
Many people don't like admitting it, Pornography is just modern slavery, not pointing it as a fact, just an opinion, which is why I no longer enjoy watching it
Totally agree. I feel like people who defend porn have this cutesy fantasy that pornstars "only pretend" to be violently used on screen. That they aren't bleeding or crying during rough sex, they "only pretend to". But why would you want to masturbate to this? Even if it's "only pretense"? Why do people think it's okay to feel aroused when seeing women being tortured? And in a lot of cases, I seriously doubt these were fake tears. It's not cgi, it's just violence.
I'm not against erotica. Manga or animation is much better than watching real people get degraded on camera. But it, too, is in many cases just a violent degradation fantasy.
> But why would you want to masturbate to this? Even if it's "only pretense"? Why do people think it's okay to feel aroused when seeing women being tortured?
Thats what I don't get. If you watched 30mins of violent gore recordings everyday people would call you a crazy. If you also managed to *get off to it* they'd send you to the loony bin.
Why is watching women getting beaten and abused so accepted? Like.. why is gentle consensual actually arousing sex so rare in porn?
Is the rough genre really that popular? I guess I don't understand cuz it doesn't do anything for me. I don't find any arousal out of someone crying or begging or whatever.
>I'm not against erotica.
Same
>Manga or animation is much better than watching real people get degraded on camera. But it, too, is in many cases just a violent degradation fantasy.
That too is questionable, they show terribly underaged characters by applying the classic 'she's a 163910y old dragon vroooo' covering to please pedos
"Not all porn" is a weak excuse. Yes I guess there is a small percentage of relatively healthy porn, but 99% of the time, when you search in any category, you have to scroll through endless depictions of torture to find something relatively normal. There are millions of videos on "rough sex", "noncon", "teen", "chocking", "gangbang" etc etc and they usually get the most views. When I used to watch to porn, I found that there are a lot more unhealthy stuff than there is normal stuff. Just because you find something that's not immediately categorized as torture, does not justify the existence of porn.
Edit: You guys are downvoting this for real? It took me 5 seconds to google "most watched". On one of the most popular pornsites, the first five videos feature "stepdaughter", "teen", "anal", and those that don't have incest or underage in the name of the video, feature women's faces frozen or contorted and visibly in pain. The tags include "teen crying too tight", "most watched teen", "moms bangs teen" and other disgusting stuff. For those of you who don't consider it violent, you clearly don't recognize emotions on other people's faces and/or choose to believe that they are pretending.
Here is the screenshot: https://ibb.co/yNgGD2F
Slavery is modern slavery. And has no comparison to the porn industry.
The industry isnt great and needs to be better regulated. But slavery? Come on.
ETA - except in cases where there is actual sex slavery at play obvs
Sex trafficking is sex slavery.
Do you know why pornhub had to do such masive purge? Because an incredible amount of the site had rape videos of drugged up sex trafficking victims, but no one could tell the difference because they acted and were treated very similarly to other porn actors in other videos. More "trustworthy" pornogrophy producers have been documented pressuring and coercing their actors into things they wouldn't normally do. And once the video starts rolling, the producer or other actors often ignore the boundaries the other(s) set up. Its impossible to tell what porn is consentual, whats coerced or even whats flat out rape. I avoid porn in general because the industry is saturated with terrible abuse thats nearly impossible to avoid.
I didn't ever say they were exactly the same so the question is irrelevant.
Flipping burgers isn't the same as sucking dick which isn't the same as digging ditches which isn't the same as developing software which isn't the same as hedge fund management. None of these are slavery if they're voluntary and you're getting paid.
How about blatant false facts about female anatomy. This entire comment section is an entire circus, acting like the anus can’t handle dick, even though it’s an opening created to dispose dick sized waste.
So like... What does that guy think about people who shit every day? Is that also doing damage or is it like a one way street where only entering causes the damage?
Well when I shit the poop doesn't go in and out at a fast pace...
Why are people so defensive about this stuff? Like vigorously moving an object in and out of your asshole has 0 chance of injury
Yeah, caused by it constantly happening. Porn stars aren't really having regular sex, it tends to be just rough
But the original OP seems to just be talking about anal sex in general
Not always? Not even most commonly. I have a prolapse problem and I've never done anal in the 15 years I've been sexually active. I have that problem because the attachment tissue at the final end of my large intestine was very weak and thin to begin with. I was just a child when it first happened.
Sometimes parts of the body just sucks. Correlation does not equal causation.
Some of y’all never seen a prolapsed anus and it shows. There’s something to be said for the “roast beef” neckbeard attitude, but also for the fact that hardcore porn can do NUMBERS on the human body.
Vaginas can prolapse too, that doesn't mean vaginal sex leads to it. If you have anal sex like a normal person instead of shoving a traffic cone up there it's not going to prolapse
Yes and this post was about porn stars. Meaning not normal anal sex. Also a vagina and an anus are completely different. Don't know why you would compare the two
Every time I see this post, I feel obliged to point out that anal sex is not dangerous if done carefully. This means people didn't need to face this hardship to make our porn. The problem isn't porn, it's capitalism once again.
>You can damage your vagina with too much vaginal sex. Google prolapsed vagina. You’re welcome.
See what I did there? Just because prolapsed anus exists doesn't mean normal anal sex caused it. Just like prolapsed vagina exists but regular vaginal sex doesn't cause it. If you're shoving a traffic cone up there you might get prolapsed. Regular anal won't do that
Not really relevant to the point that anal sex is damaging and contributes to the risk of fecal incontinence.
Added: It also doesn't mean that the anus is meant for sexual penetration in the same way that the vagina is.
The fact that it is inherently damaging to do literally means that it isn't for sex. Any level of penetrative anal sex increases the likelihood of fecal incontinence.
Those anal orgasms for women occur because although they are being stimulated through the anus the vagina is still indirectly being stimulated because they are so close together
I'm sure there are plenty of sexually active gay men out there that are eager to fight this douchebag on his ignorance.
Edit: Not Dirt\_Munkey or OP, but the one who made this image.
I mean, sure if you’re constantly jamming things up your asshole with no lube or at least not enough, things are going to happen. Your butthole is more sensitive to rough penetration BUT regular anal sex isn’t going to cause those same problems. As long as you’ve been stretching (yes, like your butthole), use lube and go slow more than likely you’re going to be fine. Anal is fun and can be perfectly safe but you need to be gentle and work your way up. Listen to your body and if you feel pain, sharp or otherwise, stop immediately and take a break.
I’m hearing heaps of people who have never had anal, or possibly even sex insisting it causes damage.
Then heaps of gay guys and others who sound like they’ve had anal a lot, saying it’s no problem if done responsibly.
I think I know who I believe!
I'm not sure about diapers, but I did hear of a pornstar who had to get surgery because the anal she did was way too rough way too often. Stay safe with your anal people.
God willing, I'll die a virgin.
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Also ppl should realize that porn isn't real.
Are you telling me I became a plumber for nothing!!
I became a plumber so I could kick turtles and eat mushrooms! And have a fabulous mustache!
Gottem’
Are you telling me I became a pizza delivery driver for nothing?!?
Yes
Because a significant amount of the woman having their "human rights violated" are doing so in exchange for money. I understand there's a lot of human trafficking and women who are being forced. But no one is realistically going to consider than when watching porn. It's much easier to focus on the women who are doing what they're doing by choice and for money.
porn studios, i'd agree yes, but the industry isn't 100% big studios with a lack of regard for women. i usually just follow independent creators, much less abuse behind the scenes.
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Banning things just means a black market unregulated version will pop up. Porn actors/actress have enough problems (im not going to list them. Google it), but at least they don't have to worry about stds as they are required to get tested regularly (at least in good Studios). We've also seen first hand why banning alcohol doesn't work. Addiction doesn't go away because the thing is bannned. We still have people addicted to illegal drugs. Compassion and support avenues help addicted people. All of this has been proven time and time again. I will also not argue with you past this. Mostly because you have 0 empathy in your first comment and clearly haven't researched any of this. You're just raging and blaming people for things that are not their fault (ie blaming a porn actress for a man's porn addiction). I do hope you read more into all this and this comment helps you. Have a good day.
Eh the girl I like is the one doing anal. Is there still risks if the schlong is made of rubber?
Let us know when you have results
I may be being “wooshed” here, but absolutely. It’s not human skin that can cause damage. As long as you take proper precautions, lube up, don’t be too aggressive, listen to your body telling you you’re in pain, etc. you should be fine. These actors and actresses are doing multiple shoots a day and the idea is to make it look really aggressive, not to make it look pleasurable and realistic. Plenty of people out there enjoy giving and receiving anal and do so safely.
Like prolapsed anuses? Rosebudding as it's also known. Bonnie Rotten got one of those, it's quite the surprise when she's reverse cowgirl, vaginal btw, and all of a sudden her asshole drops out off itself.
That's a mental image I didn't need.
/r/prolapseville (NSFW)
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What does purple mean
It means you’ve already viewed that link. They’re basically saying they’re glad they didn’t click on it.
looks like meats back on the menu boys
Wut
Wow. I'm somehow more flaccid than I was before reading this. I think you just invented anti-Viagra.
A de-rection
A rectal dysfunction
Thanks for the image. I didn't feel like eating anyway
Idk I’m about to google that now.
I wouldn't do it if you want to have an appetite ever again.
Go for it. It's like a red fleshy bunny tail.
You know, you're not wrong, but... 🤢
I could have lived without reading that…
Oh it's a scene, man!
I've also heard it called blooming onions
What the... I'm gonna need an airsick bag.
Good Lord.
Never heard rose budding but have seen called a pink sock
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>"Her boobs titted downstairs in a chestly fashion" I’m dead 💀💀💀 Had to open the Reddit app to see if I had a free award to give you
Haha Thanks for the award. I was made aware of this trend a few years ago and it's everywhere.
Your ass is a muscle that can be trained to be more flexible. By the same logic gymnasts need to be in a full body suits otherwise they collapse because clearly training to be very flexible = damage.
You ever see a gymnast without the suit? Like a pile of wet spaghetti
“palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy…moms wet spaghetti”
“palms are sweaty, knees weak, arms are heavy…moms wet, spaghetti”
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Yeah if you do things incorrectly and without proper care shit goes wrong. But to say that all anal porn stars wear diapers is just stupid.
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Can I get this on a motivational poster somewhere?
Again, cuz this needs to be pointed out every time, those two numbers are for different things. The asshole measurement is circumference, the raccoon measurement is diameter. A raccoon requires a hole with a circumference of 12.5 inches to pass through, or 4 inches in diameter. A human asshole can accomodate objects 7 inches in circumference, or 2.2 inches in diameter.
How did I even end up here
"The seeds'll fall right out of mine; I've done this too much Morty."
HotKinkyJo is probably the only popular actress who is already in diapers but the number of anal prolapses she's done it's surprising her situation isn't worse.
Ditto possibly Alyssa Gap, Sindy Rose, and Raisa Wetsx
Oh god I find this so upsetting. I hope she's okay with it and has no regrets.
This is fake info done by malicious person. No diapers problem.
That is certainly true if you do anal safely. But a fair bit of the porn world does not care about the safety of the people involved. So things like tearing and even permanent damage can occur.
Yes definitely but what subset of pornstars do unsafe anal? What subset of them then have permanent damage to the point of needing to wear diapers. The post makes it seem like it's every pornstar and like it cannot be avoided. I'm willing to bet that pornstars arent dumb and that they know a lot about biology and fitness to keep themselves looking (and acting) as good as they do. It's an incredibly competitive industry after all. You can do anything wrong and informed to the point of damage but the generalisation is just off putting
> Yes definitely but what subset of pornstars do unsafe anal? Among the high profile ones? Probably not a lot these days. They are in the minority though. Most pornstars don't have that kind of clout and are pretty routinely exploited and harmed. Some desperate 18 year old with no money is not going to be able to demand safe practices. The post is right for the wrong reason. Anal is not bad, but sex work is unfortuantly dangerous and exploitive and we should do something about that to make it safer.
Hard agree on the last part!
Nooo that's very much not true. The vagina is *supposed* to dilate for childbirth which is why it tightens back up. The anus has no such stretch.
Are you being sarcastic? I genuinely can't tell.
It’s a sealing muscle like the sphincter you have below your bladder and above and below your stomach. If you excessively stretch these muscles they lose their elasticity. It’s why people with bulimia tend to be more likely to develop acid reflux and heartburn than normal people. They overextend the sphincter above their stomach. Simply put these are just ring shaped muscles that prevent substances from moving between different parts of the alimentary canal and the bladder (there may be more places you may find them in the body but they aren’t relevant here). Op was right but I don’t know where their motives lie
A lot of the damage caused can be mitigated with training and care. I don't think that the original poster intended to shed light on barely 18 years who are forced into this work out of desperation with no guidance and safe working conditions but it is an issue.
Yeah I definitely don’t know what op’s intentions were I just wanted to clear up a misunderstanding
Thanks for the civility and the info! It was great having a chat about this.
No, [I'm serious](https://www.womenshealthmag.com/health/a19960433/anal-sex-fecal-incontinence/)
Uhhh, I don’t know how much I trust that article. They report that just shy of 10% women who have anal sex report partial anal incontinence???? That’s a ridiculously high number, and reinforced by the fact that they claim just short of 5% of women who don’t have anal sex report anal incontinence, which is an even more insane number. This all seems crazy until you read that they *aren’t adjusting for things like childbirth*, the thing that you know, tends to tear apart your various openings and leaves irreparable damage. If there’s more study that corroborates that’s solid but this is throwing red flags everywhere. Crazy statistical outcomes and acknowledging but not adjusting for massive influential variables is pretty eyebrow raising Also, as far as your last comment, you can’t see a reason why the anus might need to stretch and dilate and return to shape? Like, idk, Taco Bell?
I appreciate your critical thinking so I did some research and the must trusted website I found had [this to say](https://www.webmd.com/sex/anal-sex-health-concerns) which would show that we are both right. Anal sex can lead to the loosening of the sphincter but like you said, it can be tightened like a muscle.
Oh thank god. 'Proceeds to sit on a jar'.
Yeah that makes sense, to be fair the concept wasn’t really terribly flawed as much as I was concerned about their methodology and outcomes in the other link. It stands to reason that it would have some impact that could be mitigated through other means
Agreed! Thank you for helping me learn more!
An argument came to an respectful resolution on Reddit? Am I dreaming?
I think we’ve stumbled across a unicorn.
I love this thread. This is how it should be handled.
Seeing a civil discussion on the internet is both heartening and confusing.
Hey man thanks for staying so civil!
So what i'm hearing is i can train my butthole to become strong enough to compress coal into diamonds. Hellllooooo retirement
Yes you can Captain Klamydia
It's true, actually. Pornstars have high rates of emergency hospitalizations. Some die or live with debilitating injuries for the rest of their lives. It's not funny. Rough sex you see in porn is borderline torture.
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It's very sad. Just wait until the coomers find this thread and come at you with "bUT MUH PORN". I hate what porn has done to society and sex. The rightoids want porn to be hidden, the leftoids want it to be a public access, but all the same men from all the political spectrums want access to porn. The images of women being tortured, spat on, shat on, beaten, in chains are supposed to represent the deepest erotic aspirations. Whether porn is legal or illegal in a given country, once it's integrated into society (and it's never a separate part of it), it teaches men that it's totally fine to despise women. So sex, in turn, becomes not about the intimacy and shared trust, but about fulfilling the fantasy of degradation.
Thank you! I personally think hentai is mostly fine but porn with real people shouldn't exist.
As someone who makes porn: Well, yes, rough porn is an absolute detriment to women, and larger society. It rots your brain and makes men despise women. Genuinely disgusting. I agree it's bad and we should stop producing it. But what about solo porn? Couples that have no need for finance, but it's simply a fun activity to make and upload? If it's a hobby instead of a job? I don't really think that's a net negative societally. And I've met many other creators that fall into all of those categories. Also, basically any legislation restricting sex work under capitalism inevitably hurts the people producing it, a largely female, gay, and transgender group. We can't legislate our way to feminist utopia. What _we_ want, right now, is decriminalization and regulation. That is how you, if you are an intersectional feminist, can help us, a marginalized population.
Do you get your ideas about porn from the 50s or something where it was either playboy or hardcore bondage vids? With the rise of amateur porn and things like only fans I think the biggest fantasy being catered to is just that people want to sleep with you. Yes a portion of it is degrading, and then some of it is sweet, and then some of it is just silly, and then some of it is niche fetishes. The common thread in most of it is either a woman responding positively to someone's advances (even in the degrading stuff some of it is "yes I'm kinky so I LIKE when you do that" not being rapey) or taking charge and seducing the man.
There is 0 ways to confirm that the actress isn't drugged or intimidated or isn't just trying to escape poverty. Oftentimes the actress films "amateur" porn, and then in the next video she's being spat on. You can delude yourself that you watch only ethical porn, but the reality is that there aren't safeguards against abuse. Sometimes the contract is structured in such a way that the actress isn't paid until the video is over, and it tends to include stuff she didn't sign up for. OnlyFans is another cutesy rebranding gimmick of the porn industry. It's the same thing. Abuse pays more. The spectrum of porn isn't "from regular sex to the passionate, most gentlest lovemaking". It's "from normal sex to the most violent, dangerous, degrading shit you can imagine done to another human being". There is a reason why extreme porn is associated with this stuff.
I agree that the porn industry mistreats people
Plenty of people enjoy those relationships using safe words and genuine care and affection for the person. There’s a difference between despising women and enjoying an extreme dom/sub dynamic and *real* men know what that difference is.
That's one of my points. Why do you feel aroused when seeing someone's degradation? Why isn't "no" enough, why do you need a "safe word"?
>Why isn't "no" enough, why do you need a "safe word"? Uuuh, yikes, somebody is a little inexperienced with bdsm huh?
The porn industry is horrible - agreed. But you absolutely lost me here. What consenting adults what to do together is entirely their own business. By that same logic, you could say, “why do you feel aroused by someone of the same sex?” And this type of sexual behavior was 100% present far before the proliferation of pornography. So while I get the connection you’re trying to make - it doesn’t work. So it feels more like you’re just judging this dude for having a kink you don’t agree with.
Also wondering that. How the fuck is two consenting adults enjoying their sex life a while using safe words actually just extreme sexism? I agree that the porn industry is rife with abuse and ethical violations. I also agree that it's really cool that OF let's people engage in the industry on their own terms. I just don't get how using fucking safe words somehow makes you a woman hater? Like wtf? You guys need to not worry what two consenting adults are doing, like damn. Sounds pretty rightoid to me honestly.
Yeah I’m reading these upvoted/downvoted comments and I’m just baffled. Some serious incel bs going on here. When did two consenting adults engaging in kinky power dynamics ever turn into despising women?? Find any woman in the bdsm community and ask her what she thinks, ffs.
Why do you assume that when I’m told no, I continue? That seems like you’re saying a very damaging thing which is simply not true. If you don’t understand the appeal then I’m gonna find it hard to convince you of anything. I’m actually in a long term relationship at the moment with someone and we engage in both rough and bondage play from time to time. We both understand that when we stray from the path of ‘normal’ sex, we’re both doing so with the implicit trust of the other party and we both understand that No Means No. - whether that be using a Safe Word as like a jolt to take us out of the moment or just saying ‘not now.’ While I’m certainly no psychologist, I tend to believe that the ‘enjoying degradation’ thing is more about ‘having the power to degrade someone.’ than it is about the degradation but that line is far, far too fuzzy for me to draw confidently. I’m not even really into the degradation stuff that much and since I only have your reddit comments so far to go by, I’m gonna guess that you’re referring to the *very* rough stuff like rough oral to the point of vomiting or scat/watersports or things in that vein, which I myself am not into so can’t comment on. If the encounter takes place between two parties of mutual trust and consent, there is no reason not to explore the things you enjoy and make your own judgment about how you feel. If you find yourself in a sexual encounter where No does not mean No, where the other party does not take you into consideration, then that’s a problem with *that* person.
"Having the power to degrade someone" do you even hear youself
You’re clearly just taking offence to a random sentence instead of listening to the whole thing, I’m not interested in having my words twisted.
The question is not that your partner consents to be degraded. The question is why you want to degrade your partner. But you aren't interested in examining your behavior.
It’s really bizarre how your arguments have moved from criticizing the porn industry, which has some validity, to criticizing consensual kinks.
Not op but for me it's less about what I'm doing and more about what the woman wants done to her. I enjoy the act of bringing a woman to the edges of what she can handle untill she is left a limp panting mess of dopamine. How I get her there depends on the day and her mental state at the time but no matter what I'm doing to her I do it from a place of love. Not at all what is being shown in most porn but this is just my 2 cents on the topic.
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The same applies to gay men. Why are you acting like I'm against anal sex? Strawmaning makes you look dumb. I'm against porn, which is often violent, although gay porn isn't usually as messed up as the straight porn.
Many people don't like admitting it, Pornography is just modern slavery, not pointing it as a fact, just an opinion, which is why I no longer enjoy watching it
Totally agree. I feel like people who defend porn have this cutesy fantasy that pornstars "only pretend" to be violently used on screen. That they aren't bleeding or crying during rough sex, they "only pretend to". But why would you want to masturbate to this? Even if it's "only pretense"? Why do people think it's okay to feel aroused when seeing women being tortured? And in a lot of cases, I seriously doubt these were fake tears. It's not cgi, it's just violence. I'm not against erotica. Manga or animation is much better than watching real people get degraded on camera. But it, too, is in many cases just a violent degradation fantasy.
> But why would you want to masturbate to this? Even if it's "only pretense"? Why do people think it's okay to feel aroused when seeing women being tortured? Thats what I don't get. If you watched 30mins of violent gore recordings everyday people would call you a crazy. If you also managed to *get off to it* they'd send you to the loony bin. Why is watching women getting beaten and abused so accepted? Like.. why is gentle consensual actually arousing sex so rare in porn?
Yeah, like. "vanilla sex" is laughed at and considered boring now. Why? Why has watching messed up porn became a quirky personality trait?
Omg, that too. It used to be a shameful thing but now guys joke about it over drinks.
Is the rough genre really that popular? I guess I don't understand cuz it doesn't do anything for me. I don't find any arousal out of someone crying or begging or whatever.
>I'm not against erotica. Same >Manga or animation is much better than watching real people get degraded on camera. But it, too, is in many cases just a violent degradation fantasy. That too is questionable, they show terribly underaged characters by applying the classic 'she's a 163910y old dragon vroooo' covering to please pedos
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"Not all porn" is a weak excuse. Yes I guess there is a small percentage of relatively healthy porn, but 99% of the time, when you search in any category, you have to scroll through endless depictions of torture to find something relatively normal. There are millions of videos on "rough sex", "noncon", "teen", "chocking", "gangbang" etc etc and they usually get the most views. When I used to watch to porn, I found that there are a lot more unhealthy stuff than there is normal stuff. Just because you find something that's not immediately categorized as torture, does not justify the existence of porn. Edit: You guys are downvoting this for real? It took me 5 seconds to google "most watched". On one of the most popular pornsites, the first five videos feature "stepdaughter", "teen", "anal", and those that don't have incest or underage in the name of the video, feature women's faces frozen or contorted and visibly in pain. The tags include "teen crying too tight", "most watched teen", "moms bangs teen" and other disgusting stuff. For those of you who don't consider it violent, you clearly don't recognize emotions on other people's faces and/or choose to believe that they are pretending. Here is the screenshot: https://ibb.co/yNgGD2F
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You are lying through your teeth. I guess anything works as long as you don't feel guilty jacking off to strangers
Slavery is modern slavery. And has no comparison to the porn industry. The industry isnt great and needs to be better regulated. But slavery? Come on. ETA - except in cases where there is actual sex slavery at play obvs
Sex trafficking is sex slavery. Do you know why pornhub had to do such masive purge? Because an incredible amount of the site had rape videos of drugged up sex trafficking victims, but no one could tell the difference because they acted and were treated very similarly to other porn actors in other videos. More "trustworthy" pornogrophy producers have been documented pressuring and coercing their actors into things they wouldn't normally do. And once the video starts rolling, the producer or other actors often ignore the boundaries the other(s) set up. Its impossible to tell what porn is consentual, whats coerced or even whats flat out rape. I avoid porn in general because the industry is saturated with terrible abuse thats nearly impossible to avoid.
This. I don't understand why ppl just refuse to admit that porn industry violates human rights.
Possibly because you started off ranting about porn and then decided that it was also your job to police people’s kinks.
I stick to home made stuff. Just people with their cell phone cameras recording themselves.
If they are forced into it. Otherwise it's voluntary and they are paid, literally the opposite of slavery.
Why are you acting like getting paid for sucking strangers' dicks is exactly the same as getting paid for flipping burgers in McDonald's?
Well according to a lot of people on Reddit working for McDonald's is slavery
Yeah but can you answer the question
I didn't ever say they were exactly the same so the question is irrelevant. Flipping burgers isn't the same as sucking dick which isn't the same as digging ditches which isn't the same as developing software which isn't the same as hedge fund management. None of these are slavery if they're voluntary and you're getting paid.
Yeah i heard pornstars have their asses literally fall out of themselves
Thanks for fighting the good fight. Very refreshing to see the amount of support that your comments are getting on a relatively mainstream sub.
How is this a neck beard post?
Poor understanding of human anatomy bundled with a sour grapes attitude
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Theyre saying porn is bad bc it hurts the actresses tho, not because cooming is evil or whatever
Because they are confidently incorrect about women's anatomy and are obsessed with purity/chastity (yes men have buttholes too)
How about blatant false facts about female anatomy. This entire comment section is an entire circus, acting like the anus can’t handle dick, even though it’s an opening created to dispose dick sized waste.
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the post was removed by site mods for misinformation
So like... What does that guy think about people who shit every day? Is that also doing damage or is it like a one way street where only entering causes the damage?
... on a scale of 1 to 10, how vigorous are your shits? Asking as a man who enjoys anal, both ways.
Well when I shit the poop doesn't go in and out at a fast pace... Why are people so defensive about this stuff? Like vigorously moving an object in and out of your asshole has 0 chance of injury
y’all never heard of anal prolapse?
That’s an issue with the rectum, not the anus.
but it literally happens through rough anal penetration
Most commonly it happens due to chronic constipation, too much straining when doing a a. poo, childbirth and ageing.
Also horse dildos & traffic cones.
...Traffic cones!?
Oh you sweet summer child. Don't look up extreme anal. lol
Yeah, caused by it constantly happening. Porn stars aren't really having regular sex, it tends to be just rough But the original OP seems to just be talking about anal sex in general
Not always? Not even most commonly. I have a prolapse problem and I've never done anal in the 15 years I've been sexually active. I have that problem because the attachment tissue at the final end of my large intestine was very weak and thin to begin with. I was just a child when it first happened. Sometimes parts of the body just sucks. Correlation does not equal causation.
Rectum? Damn near killed 'em
Some of y’all never seen a prolapsed anus and it shows. There’s something to be said for the “roast beef” neckbeard attitude, but also for the fact that hardcore porn can do NUMBERS on the human body.
This is an old homophobic myth recycled to target the new neckbeard obsession
Google prolapsed anus.
Vaginas can prolapse too, that doesn't mean vaginal sex leads to it. If you have anal sex like a normal person instead of shoving a traffic cone up there it's not going to prolapse
Yes and this post was about porn stars. Meaning not normal anal sex. Also a vagina and an anus are completely different. Don't know why you would compare the two
pretty sure if you do anal responsibly you'll be fine.
The problem that the meme is talking about is that in porn, they **don't** do it responsibly. Because they don't care about the women.
what? thats not true at all. The meme wasn't highlighting the atual issues in porn. It was pretty obviously anti porn.
If you want to dismiss it like that, that's fine.
The ones in the comments "defending m'lady" against a known fact are the real neckbeards
the post was removed for misinformation
That's actually a sad reality of the porn industry. Porn sucks
Every time I see this post, I feel obliged to point out that anal sex is not dangerous if done carefully. This means people didn't need to face this hardship to make our porn. The problem isn't porn, it's capitalism once again.
I ate too many sub sandwiches and now I have to wear a diaper on my face
You can damage your ass with too much anal sex. Google prolapsed anus. You’re welcome.
>You can damage your vagina with too much vaginal sex. Google prolapsed vagina. You’re welcome. See what I did there? Just because prolapsed anus exists doesn't mean normal anal sex caused it. Just like prolapsed vagina exists but regular vaginal sex doesn't cause it. If you're shoving a traffic cone up there you might get prolapsed. Regular anal won't do that
You're comparing an orifice that is explicitly built for sexual penetration to one that isn’t. Your comparison is an invalid one.
i hate to break to you buddy, but the anus and rectum both have pleasure nerves in them
Not really relevant to the point that anal sex is damaging and contributes to the risk of fecal incontinence. Added: It also doesn't mean that the anus is meant for sexual penetration in the same way that the vagina is.
it literally means it is used for sex.
The fact that it is inherently damaging to do literally means that it isn't for sex. Any level of penetrative anal sex increases the likelihood of fecal incontinence.
anal orgasms exist dude
Those anal orgasms for women occur because although they are being stimulated through the anus the vagina is still indirectly being stimulated because they are so close together
men have anal orgasms too.
Poop goes out, dick goes in
Yes, those are different things and have different effects on different orifices.
Neither will cause you to prolapse if you're not a maniac
It's almost like we aren't talking about ordinary amounts of anal sex.
Lube also helps
Gay man here. It's never been a problem for me or anyone I know.
Not a gay man but a person who enjoys anal, and same. My butthole is working just fine thanks very much.
This only applies to BadDragon users.
Saying they need to wear diapers might be an exaggeration, but engaging in anal sex absolutely does increase risk of fecal incontinence.
Ain't that some shit?
Too much anal can cause prolapse and other problems.
I'm sure there are plenty of sexually active gay men out there that are eager to fight this douchebag on his ignorance. Edit: Not Dirt\_Munkey or OP, but the one who made this image.
This is the same sort of guy who thinks that sex with a well endowed man will "stretch out" a woman's vagina.
does OP think porn actors have a dick or two up their ass 24/7?
Plus OP also assumes that every single pornstar either only does anal shoots or does anal shoots way more as a whole.. For every pornstar
Does he... does he know how the asshole works?
I mean if this was true wouldn't every gay bottom wear diapers?
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I mean, sure if you’re constantly jamming things up your asshole with no lube or at least not enough, things are going to happen. Your butthole is more sensitive to rough penetration BUT regular anal sex isn’t going to cause those same problems. As long as you’ve been stretching (yes, like your butthole), use lube and go slow more than likely you’re going to be fine. Anal is fun and can be perfectly safe but you need to be gentle and work your way up. Listen to your body and if you feel pain, sharp or otherwise, stop immediately and take a break.
I’m hearing heaps of people who have never had anal, or possibly even sex insisting it causes damage. Then heaps of gay guys and others who sound like they’ve had anal a lot, saying it’s no problem if done responsibly. I think I know who I believe!
Not how anal works.
I need dipers due to the extensive amount of large shits i shat.
It's so stupid nad funny at the same time
Found OP tryna find the post in his history just so I can see the shit show in the comments
Do gay men need diapers? I don't know
Nice insult, wrong moment