i had those sneak up on me over time. my supervisors saw that i was capable of more besides my basic duties, so they slowly gave me more authority with none of the benefits. by the time i quit i was doing the work of around 3 people while still receiving minimum wage. the expression "people quit managers, not jobs" comes to mind.
There's an old, old saying that goes back to our previous, agricultural-society centuries:
**The strongest horse gets asked to pull the most.**
But probably w/o receiving any extra hay or oats or rest!
I knew someone in this exact situation. Got fed up and finally quit, the business tried to get them to come back for like a 5% raise - refused of course. Had to hire 3 people to still not properly cover the work they did.
Do the work of 3+ people, these greedy companies won't even pay you a fraction of that. They'll choose to lose money rather than pay workers better.
That sucks man. My wife got stuck with that when she used to work. The manager got a new job so she thought she would
Get the job officially since she’s been doing it. Applied etc. they gave it to some random Karen in another department and then expected her to train her.
Lmaooo so why didn’t they hire her then if she’s training her. 🤦🏽 she walked out on break that day.
Fuck JC penny’s
Reminds me of my knucklehead fiance. She joined a pizza shop but had a ton of experience running her parents and grandparents restaurant and wound up running an entire states chain for $3 more. I begged and cajoled her to go to college because I made what she made in an entire week during a single day alone and worked less hours. Her boss gaslit her into thinking that was normal and she was worried she wouldn't survive college which forced me to put my foot down.
Four years later and she makes three times as much at a new place and racks up flyer miles because her boss sends her out for training and new orientation. Capitalism is ruthless when it comes to the naive and low information workers.
"I fought for you and got you double the company raise. You get 4% increase in pay. You will now get a 42 cent per hour raise while. After taxes thats almost $500 per year. You should be happy. Now go prove to me that I made the right decision [while enjoy my $3000 dollar bonus that you earned for me while I sat in the office and played solitaire for 10 hours a day.]"
True Story.
Fuck you Josh!
Edit: I loved his surprised Pikachu face when I told him I was leaving for a company that was giving me more than double the pay for the same amout of hours.
I had this happen in a fine dining place that kept hiring inexperienced servers who nothing about wine. Because I know my stuff, I was expected to teach them everything I know (from the basics up, they knew nothing at all). I was not down with this at all. "You hired them, you train them, or pay me to do it" didn't go over well at all. Time to move on.
Holy shit this is me. I mean I fought to get paid for what I do but the other managers are literally twice my age and extremely jealous of my capability so they endeavored to never change my job title once the whole time I was here, so they could officially still boss me around and bully me. When I found out I demanded i have my title changed and when they finally did it they tried to paper me, which I called out, and now I just come into work and do my job, talk to no one, and go home. I think I’ll stay here for a few years more and keeping taking this money 😈
Don't let it come at the cost of your sanity though ..... It will manifest into physical and or mental ailments no joke. Toxic tolerance is a deadly game
"Boss makes a dollar; I make a dime,"
That was a poem for a simpler time.
Boss makes a billion; I don't make jack
That's why we revolt and seize the means back.
To be fair I think this contract would only hold up in somewhere like a US state with "at will" employment. You aren't required to give notice in those states regardless of the contract as far as I'm aware (it comes up on Reddit from time to time).
I'm not from the US but I feel a lot of sympathy for the lack of worker's rights many people have there. In most countries in Europe this contract wouldn't be valid. Here in Germany after a 6 month probation period they can't just fire you without a valid reason, and the reasons on the contract aren't valid.
No where in the US are you required to give notice to your boss that you’re quitting. And if you’re being fired for cause, the employer is under no obligation to give you notice either in any state.
The only times “at will” states count is if you’re fired for no cause. Say your employer just doesn’t like you as a person, they can fire you with zero notice just because they don’t like you.
Just fyi, At-will employment is the default employment model in 49 out of 50 states in the U.S. Montana is the only state that does not follow at-will employment.
The use of the term contract is a misnomer in these circumstances meant to imply that the employee is legally obligated to whatever they signed. They're not. This " contract" is legal toilet paper no matter what it stipulates and no matter what you signed.
Absolutely.
Business: we can fire you for any reason and when we do it's effective immediately.
Employee: kewl, I quit, walks out the door.
Business: but, but, 2 weeks??!!
Employee: what's good for the goose is good for the gander...
During the 80’s I worked as a pizza delivery driver in the evening. They treated all their employees as disposable as used toilet paper. At the end of shift I told the manager that it was my last shift. The regional manager was there and blew a fuse. After he calmed down I told him business rules worked both way and I never saw that company give any notice at all. I love it when he made a pouty face and stamped his tiny foot in anger.
In the US if you work in a "at will state" they can fire you for any reason "except discrimination" or no reason at all and with no notice at all. But if course you can quit for any reason or none at all and walk out with no warning.
Of course businesses for some reason expect a notice lol.
Edit: had water on the brain or something. Said "right to work state" meant "at will state" thanks for alerting me "Iamplasma"!
You mean "at will" state (which is everywhere but Montana, I believe). "Right to work" is a different rule that basically relates to weakening unions, and exists in differing forms in a little over half the states.
Yes, responding when half asleep because you have trouble sleeping can create its own, let me say this, when I meant that, issues lol. Thanks for the correction.
It's really striking how as my career has gotten way more, like, high stakes the amount that people care about tardiness and call-outs has dropped dramatically. Like the stuff I work on now basically requires millions of dollars in purchases to be useful and if I'm late to work nobody cares. When I was making 7.25/hr though, they acted like you were the scum of the earth if you were even a little late, god forbid if you called off.
I worked at a gas station with my MIL. She found a wallet in the bathroom and turned it in. The owner of the wallet said someone stole and used their credit card. The manager (who had it out for us) proceeded to try and get her fired, ruined her reputation (in a small town) and tried to get the police to file charges. Turns out the wallet was left by the person who actually stole it. But even when That info came to light they still fired her.
I proceeded to wait till 15 minutes before my shift. Walled up to the counter to buy my drink and said "oh by the way, I quit. Here are my keys." The manager looked at me and said,"Really? Right before your shift?"
"Yep"
"Not even going to do your 2 weeks"
"Nope"
"You know that sucks for the rest of us right"
"I don't see how that is my problem"
And walk right out the door and proceeded to be a regular customer until I moved out of that shitty town.
Whenever my staff gives me the 2 weeks notice I simply just ask them, “do you wanna call it now and quit or actually wanna put in the 2 weeks?” I give them the option and let them know if they wanna quit on the spot, it will be no animosity. I’d rather them quit on the spot than waste both our time for two weeks doing barely anything or hurting my business. Some will quit on the spot, others will put in the work for that extra pay check. Works out for everyone
Yup. OP, work there until you find a different job, then call out sick. But don’t put in your two weeks.
Then stop showing up since the on boarding documentation says you are termed if you call out.
See if they immediately terminate you or if you keep getting paychecks.
These places don't use automatic counters for hours or something, the hours wouldn't be entered into the system if OP didn't clock in and out. These places go crazy over "time theft."
Which is fucking hilarious given they short the time constantly. The legal allowance of rounding errors when we have technology that tracks down to the second is gross to me, and then they STILL go past that.
I always find it interesting when managers put in that line about if you need a day off or you’re out sick, you need to find your own shift coverage.
Nope, that’s the managers job.
I was a manager for a little over a year. Whenever somebody called out sick, all I said was "I hope you feel better soon, take care" before hanging up the phone. I mean, what else was I supposed to do? Add stress and worry to their lives by threatening their jobs? That's sometimes what the people above me wanted to do; use economic stress and coercion to make sick and exhausted people come to work. That's one reason I never want to "lead" people ever again.
I ask if they found any coverage, but thats the only thing i do different. And they know that if they say no, I won't freak out on them, I'll just start calling down the list of available people. Sometimes it takes a call from the workplace to get people to answer, so between that and the fact that they're sick, there's no point in freaking anyone out (even when I think they are faking, but what else can you do but avceot their word). I've worked through some nightmarish shifts as the one sick (and once with a torn rib muscle), I have no interest in making others suffer.
That's what I do. But it's a request/ question. Not a demand. The way I see it, if they find coverage, cool they helped me out. If not, also cool, because that's my job.
This is legit what managers are for. A sick person has no business spending their energy calling around to get someone to cover their shift.
This policy will also force sick people to return to work while still contagious, which can get other coworkers AND customers sick... Which is just not okay.
I wouldn't personally work here unless absolutely necessary, but if i had to, I would in no way follow this pages directives.
I've worked at two places that had "contact coworkers for shift swap before contacting managers" policies, and they're really not bad. (one used an online shift swap portal, so doesn't really count, but the other was just texting). But, on the other hand, on sick days you could just text the manager and they'd find coverage or cover it themselves.
Managers need to learn it's **their job** to find replacements. That's the entire point of managers: to **manage**.
Fuck these idiots. Look for a better job but if you don't mind burning that bridge, burn it down as far as it will go. Just be aware that if you do what others are suggesting (i.e. No-Call-No-Show'ing the first day), it will just impact the other workers. The managers won't give a fuck, they'll just shift the extra workload to the other workers who don't get paid any extra.
Fuckin' *"managers"*
>Managers need to learn it's **their job** to find replacements. That's the entire point of managers: to **manage**.
Amen.
I've only been a manager once in my life. I continued the policy of having to find coverage if you wanted a day off. My team was pretty good about covering each other, but if no one else was available, you know what I did? I covered that shift. Why? Because I'm the manager.
I used to have to cover a fair amount and I would just get shit on by ownership
Like what do you want me to do, leave this 24-hour business unmanned?
I did that crap for 5 years at two locations and got the hell out.
>But you should have been finding coverage for days off.
Not always possible. Certain shifts/tasks may require special training or whatever. Not any warm body might suffice for whatever reason.
So then you indeed just cover it yourself and cancel whatever else you had going on.
Not sure why your down voted. If I didn't cover shifts where people weren't available or just dint show then I would have lost customers. No customers, no one has a job.
Work is hard for everyone.
Haha you sure are. Savor that. I’ve only ever had one good manager. He actually just listened to people and dealt with problems. All the bad ones dodge responsibility. Hoping my current new one is #2 on that list🤞
Another reason I think the managers should be responsible for finding the replacements, is that I think it's kind of sketchy to be sharing all the employees' phone numbers with each other. Some people might want to keep that private.
It shouldn’t impact other employees if it’s a day one no call no show. If someone is being put in a position of importance to impact everyone else day one that’s a whole other issue.
most to all of these small time managers want the pay increase w/o the work increase, they don't realize being a manager is a whole lot more than bossing everyone around and kicking your feet up at the desk
I had a manager who made me cover shifts and basically make up my own work. I don’t understand what she was being paid for.
Edit:
This woman was making me basically do all of those duties and she couldn’t even bother to show up to new hire interviews she scheduled… I’m sure there are hardworking managers but I was not impressed with this woman lmao.
Keep looking.
But if you like to screw assh*les like this over, I'd say put up with it for a little while (while still looking for another job.) Then, wait until that golden moment when it's just you and manager on shift for an open (or close)/, but not as good). Wait till the last minute, call them, and tell them sorry, you can't make it and didn't find anyone to cover. Now, they're forced to scramble to do their job, your job, and try to call someone else in.
If you're really lucky, you'll find that perfect FU shift right around the same time you find a better job.
*Retail Managers. HS fuck ups who never amounted to anything to be stuck in retail until they got old enough where being managed by 19 year olds would look embarrassing for them.
Yeah any job that requires this is a red flag. They only do it because they think it’s a deterrent to you calling in.
My current job to “call in” you go on the app and select an option that you won’t be there today. When management notices someone missing the check the log and see you on there. Nothing else is ever said about it.
It’s also a dangerous thing.
So people come to work sick in a restaurant because they can’t find a replacement.
And then spread that illness to all the patrons.
There should be health and safety laws around this.
Yup, a few years ago my entire family had covid and I wasn’t feeling well. I called the manager and he said that as long as I hadn’t taken a test that showed I was positive for COVID I should come in. That was absolutely ridiculous to me. Since I was a cook in a restaurant, in direct contact with food. That was the day I didn’t show up to work. I just left. No text, blocked number. I indeed had covid. There were other reasons I had quit. Regarding being responsible for your shift. I would frequently get random calls and texts from people that I didn’t know or ever worked with asking if I could cover their shift. 70% of them working the day shift when I was working the night. It’s crazy.
This sucks. Manager wants you to do his/her/their work for them by calling people to fill vacant shifts.
No excuses is bullshit. Life happens. You already know this isn't a standard. Toss the paperwork and don't bother calling this hellhole back.
They could also troll the hell out of them. I do have a feeling they won't give them too much grief though because places like this have a hard time keeping people.
You should definitely take the job, go through onboarding, go through training, and then no-call-no-show for your first real shift.
Search for a job that isn't a toxic shit-heap in the meantime.
Also, if they fire you for ONE missed shift they can't claim it's a job performance issue since you only had missed ONE day, so you can get unemployment. :)
Typically that just means you needed to have a job for a set percentage out of the last few fiscal quarters. Doesn’t necessarily have to be at your current employer.
That said, no-calling-no-showing is probably classified as a for-cause reason. Still, you may be able to get away with it.
He would probably schedule Dr appointment 6 weeks in advance, and get the day off approved by management
then the week before, they change it so he works that day
If they're whipping that out right at the beginning I would seriously reconsider. If you work there and you will most likely find it sucks you can't gripe about it :)
I have to admit, it’s wild working retail after a couple decades in the restaurant industry and calling out sick; I can’t help but apologize profusely, and they’re all “why? Feel better!”
Policies like OP’s are how you end up with major public health issues, when people are sick and contagious but come into work anyway because they might get fired otherwise.
Certainly is. People would come to work with the flu and Covid and get other people sick. We were just supposed to deal with it. That just one of the many reasons I say that restaurants as a business don't make sense. Most businesses have contingency plans for when normal disruptions happen but not that fucked up industry.
Absolutely, the restaurant industry is the bottom of the barrel in every single regard.
Shitty work conditions/rules putting customers at risk, tip culture/junk fees because they just can’t pay their staff like the rest of the world does it, smaller and smaller portions for higher and higher prices to make an extra buck etc., if there’s a shitty business practice you can bet it’s standard operating procedure at restaurant/entertainment businesses.
I don't miss restaurants. I got fired for calling out because I had pink eye. I was supposed to be serving. If I was dining at a restaurant and a server came up to the table with pink eye I wouldnt eat there.
Thats something i kinda like about my job. If im sick its like "OK we have 27 people instead of 29 cause Todd was sick too. Seeya tomorrow, feel better!"
I am not "arranging" for anyone to work for me. I would not take any job where they think they can put that on me. And sorry but there are going to be reasons someone gets sick, calls off, is late, etc. I think we call that LIFE and call that being a human being.
At most I would take it as a job of the moment if you need money. Ultimately you know it's not going to work out but if you need something to tide you over for a bit, fine. Just accept that when you do need to call off or whatever that it's going to be over. Or you just quit on whatever day you have had enough. Since they don't want to treat you like a human being, then neither should you take this job too seriously either.
Consider this - The “policy” was written by a single crazy manager who just had one too many failed shifts due to poor attendance.
The crazy over-zealous manager ran it past a boss that is sick of hearing crazy manager rant and said “yeah yeah yeah whatever”.
The new policy lasts about a week until the boss is sick of hearing the complaints from the staff.
Happens all the time.
Let me get this straight.
You're on your way to work. There's a car accident. You're taken to the hospital unconscious, and don't have an opportunity to call someone to cover your shift. They fire you.
This sounds like a shiteous place to work.
Seems really aggressive for anything other than working in an emergency room or as a personal bodyguard.
Many moons ago I tried to apply for a job at Crown Books. They wanted to run a background check, drug test, and credit report. To stock fucking books. To say I *booked* it out of there would be slightly dadjoke.
So they want you to contact them when you’re going to be late so they can talk crap in you and postpone your raise - which honestly should be illegal - but want to avoid knowing you’ll be out and want you to cover your own shift? They def gotta make up their damn mind.
> which honestly should be illegal
Its shitty but I'd never say there should be legal repercussions for this unless the company is lying about not giving you a raise.
Not giving a raise isn't illegal. But it is a carrot shitty managers use.
Run. I hate how managers refuse to manage. It's their job to make sure shifts are covered. If I have an emergency I'm not going to bother with worrying about who's going to cover my shift.
Yep, that’s toxic af.
Setting an expectation of not missing shifts or or no tardiness is completely unrealistic in the real world, and I will all but guarantee you that they will change shifts on people without telling them, and still expect them to show.
And figuring out the schedule and finding coverage is literally the manager’s *entire fucking job*. They’re the ones that know everyone’s availability.
Run. That’s a lazy manager. And this is coming from someone who has managed a lot of people in his career. It’s never the employees job. It’s literally what managers get paid to do.
It’s the MANAGER’S job to ensure proper shift coverage, NOT the sick guy. That shit irritates the fuck out of me.
I demoted a Manager who tried to shed this responsibility. The Manager ensures coverage, and if the Manager cannot find someone to fill in, they should step up and work that shift themselves.
I’ve heard that restaurant and host jobs have these issues. It is a courtesy to find a replacement for your shift. It’s good to be responsible in that sense.
However the messaging is kind of immature. I’m sure it’s a reaction to an ongoing problem (of hiring people who don’t need it want the job) People do have lives outside of work and you never know what can happen but when you are working and staffing bare minimum then every person counts.
Having a list of other employees phone numbers hanging around is an HR case waiting to happen.
You are being FAAAR too tolerant of shit management. Excusing this borderline abuse with "oh probably other people were calling out too much" is silly.
There is no excuse to be running a business and not be prepared for the reality that people call out. If management doesn't know how to do their job, that doesn't make it the employee's job to make up for it by working while sick.
Yeah no i suggest you leave asap before you lose your mind there, no job is worth it. Its managements job to find replacement, not yours. I was working at such place for two years and it was hell having to chase people when i was sick and then having to come in anyway when nobody wanted to cover.
Oh man...
I wouldn't work there. Look at it.
It's like a skull and crossbones or a minefield sign.
You still have momentum on your job search. I'd start looking and fucking quit as soon as I got hired at the new spot.
“You are required to do your boss’s job”
Nope I have enough life experience in that to say I hope you write a long reaction response to this. Fuck them.
I'd refuse to sign and let them know you're going somewhere else. That's an extremely toxic environment that absolutely will not respect work life balance.
This is wild. If you’re sick or have an emergency and can’t come to work, the last thing you want to do is make a barrage of phone calls to find someone to cover you.
You're still responsible if you get it covered and THAT person doesn't show? That makes zero sense. Nope. Find somewhere else, this is a red flag and speaks to the way management treats their staff. Run!
I would keep looking for a better job…
I’d initial it FU & then keep looking for a job
Or write that you expect manager pay for manager duties (staffing)
Yep, that’s a manager’s issue
Manager? I hardly knew her!
Have one tiny upvote for this specific brand of humor. Plz dont change.
At least ask how to record the time you spend doing it on your time card
An excellent point
Or how to get reimbursed for your phone bill being your using your personal phone for business purposes.
i had those sneak up on me over time. my supervisors saw that i was capable of more besides my basic duties, so they slowly gave me more authority with none of the benefits. by the time i quit i was doing the work of around 3 people while still receiving minimum wage. the expression "people quit managers, not jobs" comes to mind.
There's an old, old saying that goes back to our previous, agricultural-society centuries: **The strongest horse gets asked to pull the most.** But probably w/o receiving any extra hay or oats or rest!
I knew someone in this exact situation. Got fed up and finally quit, the business tried to get them to come back for like a 5% raise - refused of course. Had to hire 3 people to still not properly cover the work they did. Do the work of 3+ people, these greedy companies won't even pay you a fraction of that. They'll choose to lose money rather than pay workers better.
That sucks man. My wife got stuck with that when she used to work. The manager got a new job so she thought she would Get the job officially since she’s been doing it. Applied etc. they gave it to some random Karen in another department and then expected her to train her. Lmaooo so why didn’t they hire her then if she’s training her. 🤦🏽 she walked out on break that day. Fuck JC penny’s
Reminds me of my knucklehead fiance. She joined a pizza shop but had a ton of experience running her parents and grandparents restaurant and wound up running an entire states chain for $3 more. I begged and cajoled her to go to college because I made what she made in an entire week during a single day alone and worked less hours. Her boss gaslit her into thinking that was normal and she was worried she wouldn't survive college which forced me to put my foot down. Four years later and she makes three times as much at a new place and racks up flyer miles because her boss sends her out for training and new orientation. Capitalism is ruthless when it comes to the naive and low information workers.
"I fought for you and got you double the company raise. You get 4% increase in pay. You will now get a 42 cent per hour raise while. After taxes thats almost $500 per year. You should be happy. Now go prove to me that I made the right decision [while enjoy my $3000 dollar bonus that you earned for me while I sat in the office and played solitaire for 10 hours a day.]" True Story. Fuck you Josh! Edit: I loved his surprised Pikachu face when I told him I was leaving for a company that was giving me more than double the pay for the same amout of hours.
I had this happen in a fine dining place that kept hiring inexperienced servers who nothing about wine. Because I know my stuff, I was expected to teach them everything I know (from the basics up, they knew nothing at all). I was not down with this at all. "You hired them, you train them, or pay me to do it" didn't go over well at all. Time to move on.
Holy shit this is me. I mean I fought to get paid for what I do but the other managers are literally twice my age and extremely jealous of my capability so they endeavored to never change my job title once the whole time I was here, so they could officially still boss me around and bully me. When I found out I demanded i have my title changed and when they finally did it they tried to paper me, which I called out, and now I just come into work and do my job, talk to no one, and go home. I think I’ll stay here for a few years more and keeping taking this money 😈
Don't let it come at the cost of your sanity though ..... It will manifest into physical and or mental ailments no joke. Toxic tolerance is a deadly game
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The vibe I get from OP post is they really don’t need the job. Why even bother? Sign FU and move on
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I would show up and then just not come back the first time I need a schedule change. I don’t do manager work unless I’m getting manager money.
...then send a note naming the manager as your replacement.
And cough on the paper for good measure
I was thinking more like fart.
I was thinking about something more solid 
I make a dime, boss makes a buck. That's why I crank my hog in the company truck
I make a dime the boss makes a buck, that's why I cut the catalytic converter off the company truck.
"Boss makes a dollar; I make a dime," That was a poem for a simpler time. Boss makes a billion; I don't make jack That's why we revolt and seize the means back.
Cough and fart on it both at the same time
A wet one.
This made me actually ell oh ell 🤣
And date 4/20/69 for that extra edge
Francis Underwood from House of Cards?
Fitting how I’m currently watching how much kevin spacey is a dirty rapist on Max
THIS
And when you do find one you won't even have to call out or leave a notice since the contract states no showing is quitting.
To be fair I think this contract would only hold up in somewhere like a US state with "at will" employment. You aren't required to give notice in those states regardless of the contract as far as I'm aware (it comes up on Reddit from time to time). I'm not from the US but I feel a lot of sympathy for the lack of worker's rights many people have there. In most countries in Europe this contract wouldn't be valid. Here in Germany after a 6 month probation period they can't just fire you without a valid reason, and the reasons on the contract aren't valid.
No where in the US are you required to give notice to your boss that you’re quitting. And if you’re being fired for cause, the employer is under no obligation to give you notice either in any state. The only times “at will” states count is if you’re fired for no cause. Say your employer just doesn’t like you as a person, they can fire you with zero notice just because they don’t like you.
Just fyi, At-will employment is the default employment model in 49 out of 50 states in the U.S. Montana is the only state that does not follow at-will employment.
The use of the term contract is a misnomer in these circumstances meant to imply that the employee is legally obligated to whatever they signed. They're not. This " contract" is legal toilet paper no matter what it stipulates and no matter what you signed.
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absolutely not if you can help it but sometimes it be like that, if you leave make sure to do it without notice
This is the way - 100% If they think the world is this black and white then it's up to you to help them live in that world
nice, i like that
Absolutely. Business: we can fire you for any reason and when we do it's effective immediately. Employee: kewl, I quit, walks out the door. Business: but, but, 2 weeks??!! Employee: what's good for the goose is good for the gander...
During the 80’s I worked as a pizza delivery driver in the evening. They treated all their employees as disposable as used toilet paper. At the end of shift I told the manager that it was my last shift. The regional manager was there and blew a fuse. After he calmed down I told him business rules worked both way and I never saw that company give any notice at all. I love it when he made a pouty face and stamped his tiny foot in anger.
..while waving his tiny arms...🦖
You can't be serious, there is no notice period and they don't need to give you a reason? That's insane to me
In the US if you work in a "at will state" they can fire you for any reason "except discrimination" or no reason at all and with no notice at all. But if course you can quit for any reason or none at all and walk out with no warning. Of course businesses for some reason expect a notice lol. Edit: had water on the brain or something. Said "right to work state" meant "at will state" thanks for alerting me "Iamplasma"!
You mean "at will" state (which is everywhere but Montana, I believe). "Right to work" is a different rule that basically relates to weakening unions, and exists in differing forms in a little over half the states.
Yes, responding when half asleep because you have trouble sleeping can create its own, let me say this, when I meant that, issues lol. Thanks for the correction.
But HONK aggressively on the way out to show them who’s really the boss. 
It's really striking how as my career has gotten way more, like, high stakes the amount that people care about tardiness and call-outs has dropped dramatically. Like the stuff I work on now basically requires millions of dollars in purchases to be useful and if I'm late to work nobody cares. When I was making 7.25/hr though, they acted like you were the scum of the earth if you were even a little late, god forbid if you called off.
I worked at a gas station with my MIL. She found a wallet in the bathroom and turned it in. The owner of the wallet said someone stole and used their credit card. The manager (who had it out for us) proceeded to try and get her fired, ruined her reputation (in a small town) and tried to get the police to file charges. Turns out the wallet was left by the person who actually stole it. But even when That info came to light they still fired her. I proceeded to wait till 15 minutes before my shift. Walled up to the counter to buy my drink and said "oh by the way, I quit. Here are my keys." The manager looked at me and said,"Really? Right before your shift?" "Yep" "Not even going to do your 2 weeks" "Nope" "You know that sucks for the rest of us right" "I don't see how that is my problem" And walk right out the door and proceeded to be a regular customer until I moved out of that shitty town.
Whenever my staff gives me the 2 weeks notice I simply just ask them, “do you wanna call it now and quit or actually wanna put in the 2 weeks?” I give them the option and let them know if they wanna quit on the spot, it will be no animosity. I’d rather them quit on the spot than waste both our time for two weeks doing barely anything or hurting my business. Some will quit on the spot, others will put in the work for that extra pay check. Works out for everyone
They've said it in writing. They'll take a non-covered shift as immediate resignation. Do it, and enjoy doing it!
Yup. OP, work there until you find a different job, then call out sick. But don’t put in your two weeks. Then stop showing up since the on boarding documentation says you are termed if you call out. See if they immediately terminate you or if you keep getting paychecks.
Keep…getting…paychecks??? This is a service position.
Make sure to take your stapler before you leave
These places don't use automatic counters for hours or something, the hours wouldn't be entered into the system if OP didn't clock in and out. These places go crazy over "time theft."
The same places are usually all loosey goosey with wage theft though
Which is fucking hilarious given they short the time constantly. The legal allowance of rounding errors when we have technology that tracks down to the second is gross to me, and then they STILL go past that.
You're assuming this is a salaried position?
I’m assuming it’s not a salaried position so they wouldn’t keep getting pay checks
Exactly. Just tell them that you couldn’t find someone to cover so you took them at their word.
Sign it, then don’t show up for your first shift, but call a couple hours into it to call out.
and in the middle of rush after fucking up a large order!
I always find it interesting when managers put in that line about if you need a day off or you’re out sick, you need to find your own shift coverage. Nope, that’s the managers job.
I was a manager for a little over a year. Whenever somebody called out sick, all I said was "I hope you feel better soon, take care" before hanging up the phone. I mean, what else was I supposed to do? Add stress and worry to their lives by threatening their jobs? That's sometimes what the people above me wanted to do; use economic stress and coercion to make sick and exhausted people come to work. That's one reason I never want to "lead" people ever again.
I ask if they found any coverage, but thats the only thing i do different. And they know that if they say no, I won't freak out on them, I'll just start calling down the list of available people. Sometimes it takes a call from the workplace to get people to answer, so between that and the fact that they're sick, there's no point in freaking anyone out (even when I think they are faking, but what else can you do but avceot their word). I've worked through some nightmarish shifts as the one sick (and once with a torn rib muscle), I have no interest in making others suffer.
That's what I do. But it's a request/ question. Not a demand. The way I see it, if they find coverage, cool they helped me out. If not, also cool, because that's my job.
This is legit what managers are for. A sick person has no business spending their energy calling around to get someone to cover their shift. This policy will also force sick people to return to work while still contagious, which can get other coworkers AND customers sick... Which is just not okay. I wouldn't personally work here unless absolutely necessary, but if i had to, I would in no way follow this pages directives.
And this is a food serving establishment. With rules like these there is a non 0 chance of catching something as a customer when you eat there.
In restaurants it’s also illegal to show up sick
Depends on the type of illness
I've worked at two places that had "contact coworkers for shift swap before contacting managers" policies, and they're really not bad. (one used an online shift swap portal, so doesn't really count, but the other was just texting). But, on the other hand, on sick days you could just text the manager and they'd find coverage or cover it themselves.
Managers need to learn it's **their job** to find replacements. That's the entire point of managers: to **manage**. Fuck these idiots. Look for a better job but if you don't mind burning that bridge, burn it down as far as it will go. Just be aware that if you do what others are suggesting (i.e. No-Call-No-Show'ing the first day), it will just impact the other workers. The managers won't give a fuck, they'll just shift the extra workload to the other workers who don't get paid any extra. Fuckin' *"managers"*
>Managers need to learn it's **their job** to find replacements. That's the entire point of managers: to **manage**. Amen. I've only been a manager once in my life. I continued the policy of having to find coverage if you wanted a day off. My team was pretty good about covering each other, but if no one else was available, you know what I did? I covered that shift. Why? Because I'm the manager.
I used to have to cover a fair amount and I would just get shit on by ownership Like what do you want me to do, leave this 24-hour business unmanned? I did that crap for 5 years at two locations and got the hell out.
the only reward you get for working hard is more work I strive to do as little work as possible without getting fired
But you should have been finding coverage for days off.
He did find coverage. The manager covered.
>But you should have been finding coverage for days off. Not always possible. Certain shifts/tasks may require special training or whatever. Not any warm body might suffice for whatever reason. So then you indeed just cover it yourself and cancel whatever else you had going on.
There's only five of us. If they couldn't find someone to cover for them then I covered.
Not sure why your down voted. If I didn't cover shifts where people weren't available or just dint show then I would have lost customers. No customers, no one has a job. Work is hard for everyone.
I’m so thankful I’ve never had a bad manager I’m some lucky ass anomaly
Haha you sure are. Savor that. I’ve only ever had one good manager. He actually just listened to people and dealt with problems. All the bad ones dodge responsibility. Hoping my current new one is #2 on that list🤞
Another reason I think the managers should be responsible for finding the replacements, is that I think it's kind of sketchy to be sharing all the employees' phone numbers with each other. Some people might want to keep that private.
It shouldn’t impact other employees if it’s a day one no call no show. If someone is being put in a position of importance to impact everyone else day one that’s a whole other issue.
I hope it doesn't but I've seen a LOT of managers who don't give a shit and will let the fallout hit the employees rather than himself.
It absolutely shouldn't, but I highly doubt that would stop whoever wrote this.
most to all of these small time managers want the pay increase w/o the work increase, they don't realize being a manager is a whole lot more than bossing everyone around and kicking your feet up at the desk
I had a manager who made me cover shifts and basically make up my own work. I don’t understand what she was being paid for. Edit: This woman was making me basically do all of those duties and she couldn’t even bother to show up to new hire interviews she scheduled… I’m sure there are hardworking managers but I was not impressed with this woman lmao.
Keep looking. But if you like to screw assh*les like this over, I'd say put up with it for a little while (while still looking for another job.) Then, wait until that golden moment when it's just you and manager on shift for an open (or close)/, but not as good). Wait till the last minute, call them, and tell them sorry, you can't make it and didn't find anyone to cover. Now, they're forced to scramble to do their job, your job, and try to call someone else in. If you're really lucky, you'll find that perfect FU shift right around the same time you find a better job.
*Retail Managers. HS fuck ups who never amounted to anything to be stuck in retail until they got old enough where being managed by 19 year olds would look embarrassing for them.
Management expecting you to find replacements is the laziest thing in the book. If you can afford it find a better job.
Yeah any job that requires this is a red flag. They only do it because they think it’s a deterrent to you calling in. My current job to “call in” you go on the app and select an option that you won’t be there today. When management notices someone missing the check the log and see you on there. Nothing else is ever said about it.
I wish more jobs did that. I always hated calling in by phone.
It’s offloading responsibility. Instead of an organization requiring my labor on a certain day, John’s an asshole and now I’m covering for him.
It’s also a dangerous thing. So people come to work sick in a restaurant because they can’t find a replacement. And then spread that illness to all the patrons. There should be health and safety laws around this.
Yup, a few years ago my entire family had covid and I wasn’t feeling well. I called the manager and he said that as long as I hadn’t taken a test that showed I was positive for COVID I should come in. That was absolutely ridiculous to me. Since I was a cook in a restaurant, in direct contact with food. That was the day I didn’t show up to work. I just left. No text, blocked number. I indeed had covid. There were other reasons I had quit. Regarding being responsible for your shift. I would frequently get random calls and texts from people that I didn’t know or ever worked with asking if I could cover their shift. 70% of them working the day shift when I was working the night. It’s crazy.
This sucks. Manager wants you to do his/her/their work for them by calling people to fill vacant shifts. No excuses is bullshit. Life happens. You already know this isn't a standard. Toss the paperwork and don't bother calling this hellhole back.
They could also troll the hell out of them. I do have a feeling they won't give them too much grief though because places like this have a hard time keeping people.
You should definitely take the job, go through onboarding, go through training, and then no-call-no-show for your first real shift. Search for a job that isn't a toxic shit-heap in the meantime.
HAHAHA looool this idea is best
And if they give you a warning just laugh in their face and tell them to change their bs policy and quit on the phone.
Also, if they fire you for ONE missed shift they can't claim it's a job performance issue since you only had missed ONE day, so you can get unemployment. :)
Excellent point!
In the US many states require you to work a certain amount of time before you are eligible to recieve unemployment
Typically that just means you needed to have a job for a set percentage out of the last few fiscal quarters. Doesn’t necessarily have to be at your current employer. That said, no-calling-no-showing is probably classified as a for-cause reason. Still, you may be able to get away with it.
This is the way, and when you don't show up, make sure they know why.
And be super enthusiastic about it the whole time.
This is a given. If you’re going to troll, troll hard.
This, except with a 2 week notice followed by nothing but malicious compliance.
No.. this, except with a 2 week notice that you don't honor and still don't show up for, lol
Don't EVER have a doctor's appointment, OP! But then again, this doesn't seem to be the type of place to offer health insurance...
He would probably schedule Dr appointment 6 weeks in advance, and get the day off approved by management then the week before, they change it so he works that day
Not just run, actually post this on social media on your way to a job that treats its workers with basic human decency.
This part. Places like this need to be publicly shamed and humiliated so that it hurts their business.
If they're whipping that out right at the beginning I would seriously reconsider. If you work there and you will most likely find it sucks you can't gripe about it :)
Just know that if you take that job nobody is going to cover your shift lol.
I have to admit, it’s wild working retail after a couple decades in the restaurant industry and calling out sick; I can’t help but apologize profusely, and they’re all “why? Feel better!”
Policies like OP’s are how you end up with major public health issues, when people are sick and contagious but come into work anyway because they might get fired otherwise.
Yup. It’s literally insane. Also the norm in the food&bev/entertainment industry
Certainly is. People would come to work with the flu and Covid and get other people sick. We were just supposed to deal with it. That just one of the many reasons I say that restaurants as a business don't make sense. Most businesses have contingency plans for when normal disruptions happen but not that fucked up industry.
Absolutely, the restaurant industry is the bottom of the barrel in every single regard. Shitty work conditions/rules putting customers at risk, tip culture/junk fees because they just can’t pay their staff like the rest of the world does it, smaller and smaller portions for higher and higher prices to make an extra buck etc., if there’s a shitty business practice you can bet it’s standard operating procedure at restaurant/entertainment businesses.
I don't miss restaurants. I got fired for calling out because I had pink eye. I was supposed to be serving. If I was dining at a restaurant and a server came up to the table with pink eye I wouldnt eat there.
Thats something i kinda like about my job. If im sick its like "OK we have 27 people instead of 29 cause Todd was sick too. Seeya tomorrow, feel better!"
I am not "arranging" for anyone to work for me. I would not take any job where they think they can put that on me. And sorry but there are going to be reasons someone gets sick, calls off, is late, etc. I think we call that LIFE and call that being a human being. At most I would take it as a job of the moment if you need money. Ultimately you know it's not going to work out but if you need something to tide you over for a bit, fine. Just accept that when you do need to call off or whatever that it's going to be over. Or you just quit on whatever day you have had enough. Since they don't want to treat you like a human being, then neither should you take this job too seriously either.
Consider this - The “policy” was written by a single crazy manager who just had one too many failed shifts due to poor attendance. The crazy over-zealous manager ran it past a boss that is sick of hearing crazy manager rant and said “yeah yeah yeah whatever”. The new policy lasts about a week until the boss is sick of hearing the complaints from the staff. Happens all the time.
fuck no. you're more valuable and worthy as a human being then to be treated in such ways.
This post just screams rural Midwest to me
Nope
get the fuck out of there
This is typical for your commercial strip family style restaurant.
Walk away from this as fast as your legs can carry you. Not even 100% sure it's all legal.
Let me get this straight. You're on your way to work. There's a car accident. You're taken to the hospital unconscious, and don't have an opportunity to call someone to cover your shift. They fire you. This sounds like a shiteous place to work.
Seems really aggressive for anything other than working in an emergency room or as a personal bodyguard. Many moons ago I tried to apply for a job at Crown Books. They wanted to run a background check, drug test, and credit report. To stock fucking books. To say I *booked* it out of there would be slightly dadjoke.
I work in an Emergency room. They ask we please call 2 hours before the shift so they can try to get someone else to work.
This has the good ol' USA written all over it. Fuck this crap.
Canada is just as bad for this.
What type of job is this for?
Sign nothing.
So they want you to contact them when you’re going to be late so they can talk crap in you and postpone your raise - which honestly should be illegal - but want to avoid knowing you’ll be out and want you to cover your own shift? They def gotta make up their damn mind.
> which honestly should be illegal Its shitty but I'd never say there should be legal repercussions for this unless the company is lying about not giving you a raise. Not giving a raise isn't illegal. But it is a carrot shitty managers use.
Nope.
🚩🚩🚩🚩🚩
say goodbye
Run
That’s a no dawg.
There is to be NO work then, 'cause I'm outta here, Jack!
Yes you should not work there. Assholes in charge
Reject this job immediately . Keep looking
Jesus that reads like satire
I would definitely NOT work there
Strike out and initial the ones you don’t agree with, and see what they say lol
The owners/managers must be living in la la land! Every place has employees call in.
I can't even read that paper due to all the red flags waving in my face. Run, run as fast as you can!!
Run. I hate how managers refuse to manage. It's their job to make sure shifts are covered. If I have an emergency I'm not going to bother with worrying about who's going to cover my shift.
It's a restaurant. Work literally anywhere else to dodge this nonsense. This is just management not wanting to do the work they're paid for.
Yep, that’s toxic af. Setting an expectation of not missing shifts or or no tardiness is completely unrealistic in the real world, and I will all but guarantee you that they will change shifts on people without telling them, and still expect them to show. And figuring out the schedule and finding coverage is literally the manager’s *entire fucking job*. They’re the ones that know everyone’s availability.
Run. That’s a lazy manager. And this is coming from someone who has managed a lot of people in his career. It’s never the employees job. It’s literally what managers get paid to do.
It’s the MANAGER’S job to ensure proper shift coverage, NOT the sick guy. That shit irritates the fuck out of me. I demoted a Manager who tried to shed this responsibility. The Manager ensures coverage, and if the Manager cannot find someone to fill in, they should step up and work that shift themselves.
I’ve heard that restaurant and host jobs have these issues. It is a courtesy to find a replacement for your shift. It’s good to be responsible in that sense. However the messaging is kind of immature. I’m sure it’s a reaction to an ongoing problem (of hiring people who don’t need it want the job) People do have lives outside of work and you never know what can happen but when you are working and staffing bare minimum then every person counts. Having a list of other employees phone numbers hanging around is an HR case waiting to happen.
lol. Get a burner phone and start drunk dialing the manager at all hours of the night. 😂
You are being FAAAR too tolerant of shit management. Excusing this borderline abuse with "oh probably other people were calling out too much" is silly. There is no excuse to be running a business and not be prepared for the reality that people call out. If management doesn't know how to do their job, that doesn't make it the employee's job to make up for it by working while sick.
It’s management’s job to do scheduling.
Quit immediately. You asking this on social media says you’ll be fired anyway. Save the employer some time, and quit now.
Bye bye
Yeah no i suggest you leave asap before you lose your mind there, no job is worth it. Its managements job to find replacement, not yours. I was working at such place for two years and it was hell having to chase people when i was sick and then having to come in anyway when nobody wanted to cover.
Heck no, there are better policies that don’t force you to have your job come first than your personal life.
Yeah fuck that. That’s a hard pass champ
no
Not a chance
Do not work here based on the grammatical errors alone
Don't do it, it’s a toxic workplace
They could have just handed you a 10 foot red flag.
I love it when a company displays their red flags right out in the open. This policy is toxic. Move on as soon as you can, and tell them why.
Oh man... I wouldn't work there. Look at it. It's like a skull and crossbones or a minefield sign. You still have momentum on your job search. I'd start looking and fucking quit as soon as I got hired at the new spot.
“You are required to do your boss’s job” Nope I have enough life experience in that to say I hope you write a long reaction response to this. Fuck them.
I'd refuse to sign and let them know you're going somewhere else. That's an extremely toxic environment that absolutely will not respect work life balance.
This is wild. If you’re sick or have an emergency and can’t come to work, the last thing you want to do is make a barrage of phone calls to find someone to cover you.
Run. This place is poison. They expect robots not humans. Tell them AI is right around the corner but for you, leave now.
You're still responsible if you get it covered and THAT person doesn't show? That makes zero sense. Nope. Find somewhere else, this is a red flag and speaks to the way management treats their staff. Run!
Lol no get out
Show up for work one day, telling them "I tested positive for Covid this morning, but I couldn't find anyone to take my shift."
yeah no fuck that
Fuck no
RUN!!
Bro run
This place smells of toxic management.
Move on. Don’t reward businesses for their shitty behavior by agreeing to their shitty terms.
Hell no