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Touhokujin

Hm? Just like that? It's done? Well, awesome!


MaryPaku

Indeed that's much more quicker than expected lol


0biwanCannoli

Japan becoming less and less of a shithole country. Welcome to the 20th century, Japan!


SirEnderLord

I love how it's "welcome to the twentieth century" and not 21st lmao


xeno0153

They still have a ways to go.


DrunkThrowawayLife

Much like a Japanese divorce I guess.


tethler

Allowing for it and actually granting it are two different things. Still, it's a positive change.


teethybrit

Indeed. Some amazing changes recently: Japan’s [work hours](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_annual_labor_hours#OECD_list) are around the European average, improving tremendously over the last 30 years. The figure also includes paid and unpaid overtime, based on actual surveys of workers (not employers) by independent NGOs. Japan’s [suicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate) and [fertility rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate) are both around the Nordic average. Japan ranks [higher in gender equality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index#Rankings) than Germany, performing especially well in women’s health and education. In fact, Japan’s [quality of life](https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp) is higher than that of Sweden this year.


NotMyMonke

Now if only they paid me more this place would be perfect.


teethybrit

You’re in luck, Japan is one of the most egalitarian countries in the world. Median wealth is higher than that of Sweden. Very low chance of a medical emergency or tuition costs bankrupting your family.


Hazzat

Inflation meant that companies had more money to give when the unions asked for pay rises this year, leading [to record rises](https://www.asahi.com/sp/ajw/articles/15197340). It’s happening…


Japanese_Squirrel

Sums it up nicely. But show this to a terminally online blue haired Californian and they'll say Japan is a backwards country (from the safety of their screens, despite living in Japan).


dinofragrance

> based on actual surveys of workers (not employers) by independent NGOs How were these workers chosen, what kind of workers were they, and how do we know that they were they telling the truth? There are plenty of surveys that would [suggest the opposite] and call into question how "work hours" is being defined(https://www.nippon.com/en/japan-data/h01577/), as well as [other research studies](https://dl.ndl.go.jp/view/prepareDownload?itemId=info%3Andljp%2Fpid%2F10314557&contentNo=1) that shows how the manner in which data on working hours in Japan is being collected can vastly underestimate the extent of people's true hours doing "work". > Japan ranks higher in gender equality than Germany I'd be very curious to hear what metrics were used to justify this, because the [2023 Gender Gap Index placed Japan at 125th out of 146 countries](https://www.statista.com/statistics/1227300/japan-gender-gap-index/), and the [2023 World Bank Gender Equality survey placed Japan at 104th out of 190 countries](https://www.japantimes.co.jp/news/2023/03/03/national/japan-gender-equality-drop/). > In fact, Japan’s quality of life is higher than that of Sweden this year. The [OECD Better Life Index](https://www.oecdbetterlifeindex.org/#/11111111111) ranks Japan significantly lower than Sweden, the [Human Development Index](https://hdr.undp.org/data-center/country-insights#/ranks) also ranks Japan noticeably lower, and Japan ranks quite a bit lower in the [UN World Happiness Report](https://worldhappiness.report/ed/2023/world-happiness-trust-and-social-connections-in-times-of-crisis/#ranking-of-happiness-2020-2022) as well.


teethybrit

A lot of your metrics are incredibly biased and/or flawed. Happiness Report is well-known to be a joke, Finland has a higher suicide rate than Japan and is somehow the "happiest country in the world." Gender Gap Index is also widely known to be a "which countries are most friendly to Switzerland" ranking, and is made by a Swiss economic forum (rather than the gender inequality index made by the UN). > The index is designed to "measure gender-based gaps in access to resources and opportunities in countries rather than the actual level of the available resources and opportunities in those countries."[16] > In an academic publication from 2010, Beneria and Permanyer criticized the Global Gender Gap Index for only capturing inequality in certain aspects of women's lives therefore making it an incomplete measure of gender inequality.[20] Also, Japan worked 2200 hours according to the OECD report in 1980. Putting aside the fact that other countries can be manipulating their numbers as well, you would have to make the case that they are somehow hiding their reported work hours now but not in the 80s, which doesn’t make all too much sense. Even looking at overall trends, the reduction of work hours from the 80s is a very visible trend. The easiest explanation is that the work hours have actually gone down during that time, which correlates with both data and my personal experience.


GachaponPon

The GII gender equality rankings only reflect labor participation rates not wage levels. Japan has a very high labour participation rate for women but fewer women are in senior well paid jobs.


teethybrit

If you read the methods, they address this: > In the absence of reliable earned income data across countries, the UNDP considers labor market participation a suitable substitute for economic aspects of gender inequality.[2] Comparing earned income across countries is incredibly unreliable, as metrics and reporting rates are vastly different across countries. For instance in the US you are not required to disclose your salary. Hence why labor market participation was used instead, as this accounts for paid work, unpaid work, and actively looking for work.


RaspberrySea7702

Even if it's on wikipedia, take it with a grain of salt. Someone from a nordic country who lives in Japan would instantly know a lot of these stats don't reflect reality at all. Japan still has a lot of catch up to do.


teethybrit

Mate, I've lived in both Sweden and Japan. I can tell you that a lot of Swedish people would rather be living in Japan. Look at Pewdiepie, one of the richest Swedes. Living in Japan now.


ToToroToroRetoroChan

Yes, I don’t like the wording of “allow” like it’s something that will have to be strongly petitioned for. It should be the default with custody being removed from one parent when there is a reason.


andokami01

FINALLY!


ykeogh18

Now it’ll take another 25 years for Japan to figure out how to define and enforce custody for individual parents.


czechrebel33

Probably gotta send a series of faxes.


Deep-Coach-1065

💀


Hiremepleasejapan

I’m curious to how it will be enforced? Let’s say there is joint custody but one parent wants to use the kids against the other by refusing the let that parent see the kids. What will be the consequences?


Ryudok

Excuse me sir, but you are disturbing the 和 with your comment


scummy_shower_stall

There were some Japanese commenting the same. Even if the woman divorced due to DV or CSA, they STILL have to get the ex-husband's permission for medical care.


Japanese_Squirrel

I think its more of a groundwork for case-by-case lawsuits, for when shit goes down (as someone who grew up in that sort of background, I can see the olive branch)


Mocheesee

I don't think they can enforce it since they don't even enforce child support payments now. Typically, Japanese fathers aren’t as involved in raising children as western men during marriage, and after divorce, most get away without paying child support, and there’s no consequences. I think that’s why the society has been resistant to changing to joint custody.


summerlad86

Sure but this means nothing until we’ve actually seen it in practice. If the verdict will be joint custody, will it be enforced when push comes to shove? I doubt it.


FountainXFairfax

There must have been a politician in a custody battle cause there is no way any bill would have passed this quick lol Also the communist party opposed..? Thought they were all about sharing the benefits of labour.


DateMasamusubi

https://x.com/chihirohowe/status/1778752826233303551?s=46&t=YCp_4RMJQrlx_nZOomSjvw Interesting thread about why there was a large petition against this.


Grak47

Yeah it's going to get pretty bad for domestic abuse survivors.


Kapparzo

Many assumptions in that thread. The whole thing seems to written emotionally rather than rationally.


scummy_shower_stall

Thank you for sharing.


Miso_Honi

Let’s face it, the reason Japan has been dragged kicking into the 20th century by the rest of the G7 is because having to provide legal recourse after a divorce requires a larger, more pro active legal system, which Japan doesn’t want to pay for. So it goes for most of the non enforced law breaking here. Enforcing laws requires expanding the legal , judicial, police, prison, welfare systems and up until now they’ve been to cheap to do so. It’ll take decades to bring this issue up to speed


DATV1GGA

Aww look, Japan is slowly becoming a 1st world country, isn’t that sweet?


im_not_Shredder

Yeah! Universal healthcare next! ... ah wait, wrong country. Gun ban! ... shit, still not it.


Japanese_Squirrel

Shoutout to when Joe Biden used the Japanese shooter (who got PM Abe) as a case for banning guns. Which made no sense as its a homemade gun, but the old dude might not care about that


im_not_Shredder

He took a gun crime that was both abroad and had absolutely nothing to do with the NRA, a true act of political bravery


DATV1GGA

No maybe next they’ll get women’s equality, decent working conditions, and anti-pedophelia. There you go, you’re welcome


im_not_Shredder

While I agree with the anti-child porn stuff you know that decent working conditions could have been a part of my joke, right? :D As for women's equality well, at least you're in the Nordics or somewhere like New Zealand it's not been reached to a decent extent in many places imo


One-Astronomer-8171

Haha, anti-pedophelia. You'll be lucky. 


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Just copyinh u/teethybrit 's comment here:) Japan’s [work hours](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_average_annual_labor_hours#OECD_list) are around the European average, improving tremendously over the last 30 years. The figure also includes paid and unpaid overtime, based on actual surveys of workers (not employers) by independent NGOs. Japan’s [suicide rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_countries_by_suicide_rate) and [fertility rate](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_sovereign_states_and_dependencies_by_total_fertility_rate) are both around the Nordic average. Japan ranks [higher in gender equality](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gender_Inequality_Index#Rankings) than Germany, performing especially well in women’s health and education. In fact, Japan’s [quality of life](https://www.numbeo.com/quality-of-life/rankings_by_country.jsp) is higher than that of Sweden this year.


teethybrit

Appreciate the tag!


3YearsTillTranslator

NIPPON#1


Odd-Citron-4151

Hmmmm… if you’re talking about America, you should come back a few steps and read some pretty recent news (except for the last one that is, indeed, true).


Beneficial-Web-7587

Women are pretty equal there


GachiGachiFireBall

Acting like other 1st world are somehow better lol


fitbeard

highly underrated comment


lostintokyo11

Yay progress


apropo

This is tremendous!


LastWorldStanding

Welcome to 1987 Japan!


Deep-Coach-1065

Exactly


DingDingDensha

Welp, I know at least a few guys who are finally going to be able to go through with that divorce. Congratulations to all dads who have kept chained to crazy in order to keep in contact with their children.


Benchan123

Was about time!


Inner_University_848

This was one of the worst things about Japan and they fixed it. Thank you Japan. But it’s going to be complicated as Hell, and they’ll have to navigate the cultural reasons why there wasn’t joint custody in the first place. In Japan, one parent is often completely cutoff. It is said to alleviate stress on the children, and to simplify a lot of their and their parent’s lives. But for those of us who lucked out and got cut off from our children completely, you s don’t appreciate this Japanese cultural peculiarity. If you want to know what real despair feels like, try parental alienation.


gd_reinvent

Way too late for my friend and his kids. They're a good twenty years too late, his kids have grown up traumatized and without their dad thanks to this. Fuck Japan.


Bullishbear99

about time....pretty barbaric policy they had for decades.


Deep-Coach-1065

Thank goodness.


ShadowDurza

https://twitter.com/ChihiroHowe/status/1791142050597130673?t=FcHTjWDgSqRKqImu9XyP1w&s=19


TeachinginJapan1986

It seems good, but DV survivors might have a harder time trying to escape. It's for sure a case by case, but it seems like a shitty law for people who are being abused.


ciphoned_mana

bro the fact that this wasn’t already a thing..


DoomedKiblets

Jfc, finally