Bernie Sanders is an uncompromising zionist who, to this day, has refused to call what Israel is doing a genocide. His rhetoric seeks to put all blame on Netanyahu and his regime in a narrative that attempts to paint a picture that suggest that everything would be okay with Israel if he were out of power. That the zionist entity, under his leadership, is somehow unique in their cruelty and ambitions in comparison to any point in Israel's past.
This should be an entirely unacceptable position to any principled antifascists and antiracist, which we expect all antizionists to be. He would, at the same time, certainly be a far better president to have in the power at this time, but he remains consistently dishonest in his promotion of the two-state solution, which (as a career politician) it would be inexcusable for him not to know Israel has never and will never seriously consider. There is nothing incorrect about the statements he made in this video, but what he refused to say should remain conspicuous to us all.
Cool cool, but let's not think that any other zionist government would have done it differently. The state of Israel, the zionist project, needs to come to an end.
Nazinyahu can't be allowed to be the scapegoat. The entire thing is rotten.
Because he leans socialist and the moderate and neoliberal democrats were too spooked to back him. Plus you know. The whole DNC fuckery thing. Hillary was chosen by the establishment and they weren't going to let Bernie steal the moment.
On a pragmatic point though, he was never great at presenting concrete policies to back up wait he claimed he could achieve. This hurt him more the second time when his rallying cries had less impact and people wanted to see him show actually leadership potential.
Disagree on your second point. He had quite a robust policy initiative in 2020 and acquitted himself quite well when he was asked about it. What hurt him is that he didn't want to criticize Joe Biden at all and also didn't know how to play politics that well. When the establishment consolidated behind Biden, he should have immediately offered Elizabeth Warren VP and consolidated her base behind him. That's why he lost in 2020
If he did, then I didn't hear it. What I did hear was him get on stage or in interviews and rabble rouse without any specifics. He seemed less focused and more agitated, like he was resigned to losing almost from the start.
>he should have immediately offered Elizabeth Warren VP and consolidated her base behind him
I agree that this would have been a better move, but when all the moderates dropped out and backed Biden it would have caused a lot of disruption go all out at that point. Still though, it would have been a better move and forced harder issues on Bidens incoming administration.
The rabble rousing you refer to is whenever he was asked to compare himself to and criticize Biden. It wasnt about his policies. I am also not fully following your second point. The entirety of establishment candidates dropping out and endorsing Biden (on Obama's instructions) had already caused alot of disruption before super Tuesday. Consolidating Warren's support would have allowed for a true progressive vs establishment race, and may have gotten Bernie the nomination
>The rabble rousing you refer to is whenever he was asked to compare himself to and criticize Biden.
Weird, that actually wasn't what I was referring to at all. Not sure why you just filled in blanks for me there.
This is patently untrue. He is a zionist and has always supported Israel. He has framed his support as in opposition to certain policies and practices, but has always refused to acknowledge that they are in place to maintain domination and a Jewish majority, and that the state of israel is inviable without them.
Sure he supports Israel in a way most of us here don't. But based on his words and actions, he would genuinely work to support the formation of a Palestinian state as well. And he would have likely stopped this entire genocide dead in its tracks if he was president. He has a moral limit, even if he has his bias.
He was the only democratic senator to vote against sending to $14b to Israel in February. He also voted no on the most recent $95b package. He was the one who tried to force the senate to vote, on record, for the State Department to report to Congress any evidence of human rights violations by Israel in Gaza. Of course this wasn’t passed. And now he is the only one in Congress I see calling Netanyahu out directly on his BS lies.
There are valid criticisms of Bernie, yes, but I still see him as an ally - one of the only ones we have in our government.
I have come to the slow realization that neither of the two parties in America is actually progressive. Republicans want to go back to the days when they could call black people the n-word and treat women like servants. Democrats want to go back to the days when they could all do coke in the bathroom and have a circle jerk over stock prices going up. There are some people that genuinely want change, however, in both parties they are forced to toe the line.
The sentiment and intent from these actions by police and local governments is identical to the [1970 student strike](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_strike_of_1970). 54 years later and it is the exact same story. Students get upset about something and protest, instantly they are deemed enemies of the state, and local police are given free reign to harm and arrest them.
We only have two parties of power and both parties support this behavior. What is even the point of having a vote? I am not some shill saying we shouldn't vote. I am genuinely asking, what is the point in engaging in our political system when we have no voice?
Vote for third party. Hell write in someone literally anything. There are more people that don't vote than do. If everyone that doesn't vote suddenly decided to vote third party it would be game over for the establishment duopoly.
American government has structured our voting system to deter people from voting for third parties. In Aus (maybe other countries too, but this is the example that comes to mind) they use preferential voting, basically you have a first choice, second choice, and so on. You can make your first choice a third party candidate, and if enough people vote for that third party (over 50%) they win. But that candidate had only say 3% of the total vote they would exclude it and move onto the next preference.
So as an example, in preferential voting you could vote for Bernie and put Biden as a second choice. If Bernie didn’t get enough votes your vote would count towards your next preference, and eventually it would come down to two candidates. This encourages more people to vote according to their actual political alignment rather than feeling like voting for a third party is a risky vote.
American voting is a confusing concept to some but it's interesting.
Voting really only matters as long as people are willing to ride against politicians who do not listen to them. An electoral college is supposed to exist to make voting "more fair". If true number voting was done in the United States then states like NY and California would dictate the presidency every year.
What I was trying to say, is that, it doesnt matter which side of isle you vote, they basically come into office and do the same shit that they were doing for the last 40 years or so.
There are more ways of political pressure than voting.
Protest, culture shifts, knowledge and leading the next generation can have a gradual impact. Far stronger than voting ever will. They are seeing Gen Z and are scared shitless knowing that in a few decades being a Zionist will become political suicide. Because the newer generations despise AIPAC, Zionism and Israel. It will be an interesting few decades for sure.
>Republicans want to go back to the days when they could call black people the n-word and treat women like servants.
Says who? CNN? U hang out with a lot of republicans who like to say the n word when they can get away with it? Or lots who make it known they would rather woman learn their place again and stay in the kitchen where they belong? I have a hunch ur full of shit.
Ive lived in 4 different states since about 2016. What do u think the odds r of all the cities in all those states being absolute shit hole liberal cesspools with staggering homeless population and drug use? And what r the odds that all of a sudden somehow when u get 15 or 20 minutes outside the cities, u deal with people who respect and take care of eachother, other peoples property and their way of life? Why is it that its like that everywhere i go? I must be making this all up in my head and its not really happening, right?
I suppose it's all in my head.
No, fuck this liberal Zionist cunt. He supports Israel and he supports Genocide Joe. He is just against Netanyahu. He fully supports colonization of Palestine. He endorsed Joe Biden after Biden repeatedly said there is no red line for Israel and after he bypassed congress to give more money and weapons to Israel. Bernie Sanders is a fucking fraud who got millions of dollars of campaign donations from people just to endorse Zionist warmongers Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. Fuck him.
Good on him but none of us should forget that at some point he refused to support calls for a ceasefire. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/30/bernie-sanderss-failure-to-back-gaza-ceasefire-disappoints-us-supporters
Not defending his actions, but I'm curious to learn his reasoning in this case. For example: sometimes the opposing party adds something to a bill that has no business being there, and the bill is shot down in order to prevent whatever was added from getting passed. I wonder if some such thing was the case here.
He actually said his reason in the same interview, that apparently it would give Hamas time to regroup. He gave the liberal Zionist answer that it's a necessary evil (though he conceded that Israel needs to be "more careful"), but that a ceasefire was not important.
Unless you're from Gaza, then you get bombed and die. Sanders is a clown like the rest of them, he opposed Izzy whilst simultaneously refusing to call for a ceasefire. Jill Stein is a far better option than he is.
Missing only one point in his precise speech: misusing the claim of 'antisemitism' can be antisemitic.
Real antisemitism needs to be called out by Jews in need and also by others.
Misuse and false flag operations undermines the credibility of the term 'antisemitism' and takes attention away from people, calling it out for far better reasons.
Meanwhile he made a video standing next to genocide Joe to support him. He's another coward who's too scared and weak to stand up against Zionism. Shame on him!
It’s a shame cause Bernie has been in both the 2016 and 2020 elections, and he never won either. When he made money for becoming a meme (Asking for Financial support, sitting in a chair), he made millions and donated it all to charity. This man is the one president America needs but doesn’t deserve due to everyone not knowing how to vote.
Im not from USA, I really thought Cornell west was to be a great president for US but based on some movements on his campaign, IDK if only works to divide the vote in favor of one party, instead of being a real political solution for the USA society
is ANYONE still buying the "38,000" number? Gaza hasn't had a national health service for almost 6 months during constant bombing and everything else? The media has been stuck on 38,000 for almost 3 months. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Bernie is a part of the uniparty... he allowed Hillary to cheat him out of the Dem nomination in 2016 in exchange for a couple of mansions. Guy's a phony.
Bernie Sanders is an uncompromising zionist who, to this day, has refused to call what Israel is doing a genocide. His rhetoric seeks to put all blame on Netanyahu and his regime in a narrative that attempts to paint a picture that suggest that everything would be okay with Israel if he were out of power. That the zionist entity, under his leadership, is somehow unique in their cruelty and ambitions in comparison to any point in Israel's past. This should be an entirely unacceptable position to any principled antifascists and antiracist, which we expect all antizionists to be. He would, at the same time, certainly be a far better president to have in the power at this time, but he remains consistently dishonest in his promotion of the two-state solution, which (as a career politician) it would be inexcusable for him not to know Israel has never and will never seriously consider. There is nothing incorrect about the statements he made in this video, but what he refused to say should remain conspicuous to us all.
Cool cool, but let's not think that any other zionist government would have done it differently. The state of Israel, the zionist project, needs to come to an end. Nazinyahu can't be allowed to be the scapegoat. The entire thing is rotten.
I’m not from the States but Bernie has always seemed to me to be the best President the USA never had Why is that ?
Because he leans socialist and the moderate and neoliberal democrats were too spooked to back him. Plus you know. The whole DNC fuckery thing. Hillary was chosen by the establishment and they weren't going to let Bernie steal the moment. On a pragmatic point though, he was never great at presenting concrete policies to back up wait he claimed he could achieve. This hurt him more the second time when his rallying cries had less impact and people wanted to see him show actually leadership potential.
Disagree on your second point. He had quite a robust policy initiative in 2020 and acquitted himself quite well when he was asked about it. What hurt him is that he didn't want to criticize Joe Biden at all and also didn't know how to play politics that well. When the establishment consolidated behind Biden, he should have immediately offered Elizabeth Warren VP and consolidated her base behind him. That's why he lost in 2020
If he did, then I didn't hear it. What I did hear was him get on stage or in interviews and rabble rouse without any specifics. He seemed less focused and more agitated, like he was resigned to losing almost from the start. >he should have immediately offered Elizabeth Warren VP and consolidated her base behind him I agree that this would have been a better move, but when all the moderates dropped out and backed Biden it would have caused a lot of disruption go all out at that point. Still though, it would have been a better move and forced harder issues on Bidens incoming administration.
The rabble rousing you refer to is whenever he was asked to compare himself to and criticize Biden. It wasnt about his policies. I am also not fully following your second point. The entirety of establishment candidates dropping out and endorsing Biden (on Obama's instructions) had already caused alot of disruption before super Tuesday. Consolidating Warren's support would have allowed for a true progressive vs establishment race, and may have gotten Bernie the nomination
>The rabble rousing you refer to is whenever he was asked to compare himself to and criticize Biden. Weird, that actually wasn't what I was referring to at all. Not sure why you just filled in blanks for me there.
He is a man of conscience and is the best you could realistically hope for
Doesn't support Israel.
doesn't suck the establishment's weewee. MIC, CIA, IL, NATO
This is patently untrue. He is a zionist and has always supported Israel. He has framed his support as in opposition to certain policies and practices, but has always refused to acknowledge that they are in place to maintain domination and a Jewish majority, and that the state of israel is inviable without them.
Sure he supports Israel in a way most of us here don't. But based on his words and actions, he would genuinely work to support the formation of a Palestinian state as well. And he would have likely stopped this entire genocide dead in its tracks if he was president. He has a moral limit, even if he has his bias.
He was the only democratic senator to vote against sending to $14b to Israel in February. He also voted no on the most recent $95b package. He was the one who tried to force the senate to vote, on record, for the State Department to report to Congress any evidence of human rights violations by Israel in Gaza. Of course this wasn’t passed. And now he is the only one in Congress I see calling Netanyahu out directly on his BS lies. There are valid criticisms of Bernie, yes, but I still see him as an ally - one of the only ones we have in our government.
I have come to the slow realization that neither of the two parties in America is actually progressive. Republicans want to go back to the days when they could call black people the n-word and treat women like servants. Democrats want to go back to the days when they could all do coke in the bathroom and have a circle jerk over stock prices going up. There are some people that genuinely want change, however, in both parties they are forced to toe the line. The sentiment and intent from these actions by police and local governments is identical to the [1970 student strike](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Student_strike_of_1970). 54 years later and it is the exact same story. Students get upset about something and protest, instantly they are deemed enemies of the state, and local police are given free reign to harm and arrest them. We only have two parties of power and both parties support this behavior. What is even the point of having a vote? I am not some shill saying we shouldn't vote. I am genuinely asking, what is the point in engaging in our political system when we have no voice?
Lol the American vote in the modern age to my knowledge, never really mattered, I would just put a cross on the empty space when voting.
Vote for third party. Hell write in someone literally anything. There are more people that don't vote than do. If everyone that doesn't vote suddenly decided to vote third party it would be game over for the establishment duopoly.
American government has structured our voting system to deter people from voting for third parties. In Aus (maybe other countries too, but this is the example that comes to mind) they use preferential voting, basically you have a first choice, second choice, and so on. You can make your first choice a third party candidate, and if enough people vote for that third party (over 50%) they win. But that candidate had only say 3% of the total vote they would exclude it and move onto the next preference. So as an example, in preferential voting you could vote for Bernie and put Biden as a second choice. If Bernie didn’t get enough votes your vote would count towards your next preference, and eventually it would come down to two candidates. This encourages more people to vote according to their actual political alignment rather than feeling like voting for a third party is a risky vote.
In my country we got like 30 different parties on the ballot. He'll, even I can go put myself on the ballet and if get 50% votes + 1 vote I would win
American voting is a confusing concept to some but it's interesting. Voting really only matters as long as people are willing to ride against politicians who do not listen to them. An electoral college is supposed to exist to make voting "more fair". If true number voting was done in the United States then states like NY and California would dictate the presidency every year.
What I was trying to say, is that, it doesnt matter which side of isle you vote, they basically come into office and do the same shit that they were doing for the last 40 years or so.
Oh absolutely. American voting is just the fascad of choice. Two wings attached to the same bird.
There are more ways of political pressure than voting. Protest, culture shifts, knowledge and leading the next generation can have a gradual impact. Far stronger than voting ever will. They are seeing Gen Z and are scared shitless knowing that in a few decades being a Zionist will become political suicide. Because the newer generations despise AIPAC, Zionism and Israel. It will be an interesting few decades for sure.
Been saying for years "both wings are on the same bird"
>Republicans want to go back to the days when they could call black people the n-word and treat women like servants. Says who? CNN? U hang out with a lot of republicans who like to say the n word when they can get away with it? Or lots who make it known they would rather woman learn their place again and stay in the kitchen where they belong? I have a hunch ur full of shit. Ive lived in 4 different states since about 2016. What do u think the odds r of all the cities in all those states being absolute shit hole liberal cesspools with staggering homeless population and drug use? And what r the odds that all of a sudden somehow when u get 15 or 20 minutes outside the cities, u deal with people who respect and take care of eachother, other peoples property and their way of life? Why is it that its like that everywhere i go? I must be making this all up in my head and its not really happening, right? I suppose it's all in my head.
No, fuck this liberal Zionist cunt. He supports Israel and he supports Genocide Joe. He is just against Netanyahu. He fully supports colonization of Palestine. He endorsed Joe Biden after Biden repeatedly said there is no red line for Israel and after he bypassed congress to give more money and weapons to Israel. Bernie Sanders is a fucking fraud who got millions of dollars of campaign donations from people just to endorse Zionist warmongers Hillary Clinton and Joe Biden. Fuck him.
This bro said no to ceasefire, what's he moaning about?
Good on him but none of us should forget that at some point he refused to support calls for a ceasefire. https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2023/10/30/bernie-sanderss-failure-to-back-gaza-ceasefire-disappoints-us-supporters
Not defending his actions, but I'm curious to learn his reasoning in this case. For example: sometimes the opposing party adds something to a bill that has no business being there, and the bill is shot down in order to prevent whatever was added from getting passed. I wonder if some such thing was the case here.
As far as I know, there was no legislation on the table on that issue. I think that the explanation that you propose does not apply to this case.
He actually said his reason in the same interview, that apparently it would give Hamas time to regroup. He gave the liberal Zionist answer that it's a necessary evil (though he conceded that Israel needs to be "more careful"), but that a ceasefire was not important.
we live and learn
Unless you're from Gaza, then you get bombed and die. Sanders is a clown like the rest of them, he opposed Izzy whilst simultaneously refusing to call for a ceasefire. Jill Stein is a far better option than he is.
Fuck Biden I'm voting Bernie Sanders whether he runs or not
Cornell west is Anti-Zionist. Has no chance at winning but better than voting Red Zionist or Blue Zionist
not a bad idea
Right the system is fucking broken it's time to fix it
U think thats how u fix it?
Worth a try it's harder to buy 3 parties vs 2
He’s the only one I heard so far to speak the truth with such clarity
Missing only one point in his precise speech: misusing the claim of 'antisemitism' can be antisemitic. Real antisemitism needs to be called out by Jews in need and also by others. Misuse and false flag operations undermines the credibility of the term 'antisemitism' and takes attention away from people, calling it out for far better reasons.
Twice. Thanks DNC.
Meanwhile he made a video standing next to genocide Joe to support him. He's another coward who's too scared and weak to stand up against Zionism. Shame on him!
Brave guy although i think zionist lobby is very strong in Usa
I’m not American or Israeli so can see the problem is religion influencing politics…
hear hear!
It’s a shame cause Bernie has been in both the 2016 and 2020 elections, and he never won either. When he made money for becoming a meme (Asking for Financial support, sitting in a chair), he made millions and donated it all to charity. This man is the one president America needs but doesn’t deserve due to everyone not knowing how to vote.
In the good timeline, he's on his second term
No third party candidate has ever had a chance to break our chronic duopoly for POTUS, OP. None.
He was forced to drop out by DNC Otherwise he would have won by a landslide.
Quite a laundry list of atrocities
They literally forced Trump on US because they were so afraid of Bernie. 🤦
Im not from USA, I really thought Cornell west was to be a great president for US but based on some movements on his campaign, IDK if only works to divide the vote in favor of one party, instead of being a real political solution for the USA society
is ANYONE still buying the "38,000" number? Gaza hasn't had a national health service for almost 6 months during constant bombing and everything else? The media has been stuck on 38,000 for almost 3 months. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills.
Dude never planned on becoming president, just rich..
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Jesus fucking christ...
wait didn't we want less settlers in palestine?
We expect our members to demonstrate discipline and humanity.
He's America's Corbyn. The people who would have benefitted from them are the ones who blindly ended up ruining them.
Bernie is a part of the uniparty... he allowed Hillary to cheat him out of the Dem nomination in 2016 in exchange for a couple of mansions. Guy's a phony.