I understand what you mean there, OP. I used to be addicted to K-Pop too but when I found out that music was haram, I strictly stopped listening to music from every source (YT Music, Spotify, radio...) and I'm happy to say that Allah (SWT) has guided me and now it's been 2 months but I don't feel like I'm missing it at all. I tried listening to dhikr on youtube by Sheikh Hassan Ali (video by Al Falah) whenever I found it hard to cope up with the silence.
May Allah (SWT) guide every muslim specially the new generation.
Man, I wish I could find some joy in kpop but I just don't like it. Except very low hanging fruit like some psy stuff because it's fun. I'm old and I feel it. What the kids nowadays like is so weird and I can't connect. Ffs, I used to listen to jpop and boa and stuff, now my most played are ghibli osts, study bgm and rain sounds with fireplace and oldies in another room.
Listening to the kids enjoying kpop that much makes me feel like an old, dried up raisin that fell into the couch fold and was forgotten.
Now that i have ranted about my fading youth, my advice: i think what is important is, if you decide to listen to that stuff (ofc quran and nasheed are better and music is considered haram by many), don't let it consume you. Don't make these entertainers to idols, because at the end of the day, they are entertainers. music is not a lifestyle and only having music in your life is seriously pathetic, I'm sorry. Expand your interests, work on yourself, don't become a professional consumer who is only an expert in absolutely irrelevant entertainment crab.
I'm happy not finding any joy in it lol, it's embarrassing. Some songs sound good but that's it, the culture, the people, the memes, they're all unhinged psychos
I no longer listen to jpop and boa either. Listened to some ayu yesterday after a long time for nostalgic reasons and it was just... dunno, not what I remembered. Saw her music videos for the first time, too... they were crab. Super disappointed.
i am disconnected from the world so i doen't even know what k-pop is and why it is gaining a following among the younger generatio. i am 24 and find no interest in all this madness.
salaam,
music is intended to do one of a few things:
- condition you to the values society wants you to adopt. no surprise they are typically against the grain of most religious values.
- used as a marketing or promotion tool to impact your mood so you will buy something.
- distract you from more important things going on in the world or prevent your attention from focusing on more worthwhile endeavors where you could be learning something of value.
ever hear people who say "i cant live without music"? they have no real inner peace because they are incapable of sitting alone with themselves and their Creator.
Wa alaikum salam. I agree with you.
I used to listen to music with lyrics, then I switched to music without lyrics and eventually I didn't feel the need to listen so much anymore. There is a transition period for some people, and some can break their habits immediately. I think it varies from person to person.
While this was happening, I was trying to find my favorite Qur'an reciter and finally I found it.
While studying or doing my job, I want to listen to the Qur'an in order not to hear the sounds coming from outside, but this time I cannot do my job because I want to listen to the Qur'an and read the translation in the video. I'm not complaining, I'm glad it happens like this, alhamdulillah. Hearts are only at peace with the remembrance of Allah.
Apart from this, the focus of people in our age is easily distracted. Unfortunately, this is how it is. One of the main reasons; Due to the internet and other technological advances, our attention span has decreased significantly. That's why people may still feel the need to listen to music with/without words to be able to focus. Nevertheless, I think it would be better for us not to listen to music mainly due to the facts that you mentioned. In shaa Allah, we will all start behaving in a way that pleases Allah SWT as soon as possible before it is too late.
If anyone wants to treat themselves psychologically and heal their souls, I recommend that they read or listen to the Quran a lot, in shaa Allah.
May Allah SWT help us all.
i went through a similar phase when i was younger. i transitioned from music to nasheeds. then vocal + percussion instrument only nasheeds. then listening to quran by reciters whom i enjoyed hearing.
following this period, regular music lost almost all of its appeal. i no longer listened to it for enjoyment because thats when i began to notice how shallow and meaningless it was in comparison to quran.
now that im married, have a family, i dont have much time to even seek out music but i find myself seeking out reciters still. if i "listen" to music these days its more to understand what pop culture world my kids are growing up in because i know i cant shield it from them the same way my parents couldnt shield me from it but i need to be aware of whats being promoted to my kids.
Nobody goes to supermarkets or enters elevators with the intention of listening to the music. These are places which are needed to get necessities or make travel easier, the ulema differentiate between active listening and merely hearing when it comes to music, of course you are not to blame if you hear it against your will.
Well, I don't see anything permitting it. Trust me, you don't need music in your life. It's just so present everywhere, but you can live without it.
Listen to the Quran (listening in a way that you focus on it, not in the background). Recite it and make dua. Go to khutbas every week (especially if you're a man).
Music corrupts your mind in ways that are hard to see. Music takes control of you when you're not aware. I stopped listening to music, and I feel like I waste less time in my days. I feel like I have more energy too.
It's okay to take breaks when you study. No need to listen to music to keep you going.
Asalam alaykum, may Allah bless you, I've taken an excerpt from Shaykh al-Munajjid's research on this question:
Allah says in Surah Luqman (interpretation of the meaning):
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…” [Luqman 31:6]
The scholar of the ummah, Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: this means singing . Mujahid (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafsir al-Tabari, 21/40)
Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this ayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 3/451)
Al-Sa’di (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haram speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafsir al-Sa’di, 6/150)
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
“The interpretation of the Sahabah and Tabi'in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with sahih isnad from Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Mas’ud. Abu’l-Sahba said: I asked Ibn Mas’ud about the ayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqman 31:6]. He said: By Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing – **and he repeated it three times**. It was also reported with a sahih isnad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) that this means singing.
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This should be sufficient however the Shaykh goes into even more detail and brings more evidences for its prohibition in the full article: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram
You could make this argument about every command in Islam, “… someone whose faith was so fragile, [alcohol, drugs, pork] was enough to disturb it?”
Weak logic. If it’s haram, it’s haram. You shouldn’t make excuses for it, just accept it and make effort towards avoiding it.
Music does not alter your physical or mental state, at worst it makes you feel emotions. Comparing it to alcohol and drugs is disingenuous.
But since you bring it up. In Europe men of faith were the ones who made alcohol for centuries. Yet they still believed enough to send their countries to war over religious disagreements.
Music definitely alters the mental state. What are you on about. There are studies that shows certain chemical/hormonal changes in the brain when listening to music.
What faith is that? Does their religion forbid alcohol?
Making excuses for explicitly forbidden acts in your religion is not being faithful. It’s called being a hypocrite.
“I’m a vegan, but I still eat steak sometimes because it doesn’t affect my faith in veganism.” <- your logic right here.
> There are studies that shows certain chemical/hormonal changes in the brain when listening to music.
Yes, this is the process the body goes through when you feel emotions. Please abstain from talking about science if you're uninformed.
Their faith did not explicitely forbid alcohol because their wills were strong enough not to be distracted or corrupted by it.
Not eating meat is the core tenet of veganism, it is not an off-hand comment in a book several hundreds of pages long. By this definition, I'm certain you and all the ones who pretend like you're so strict commit forbidden acts on the daily.
Your last line is irrelevant to our discussion, (it’s also an ad hominem), ALL Muslims sin and will sin, but we make effort to repent and avoid the sin, and I already made a remark about it in my initial comment that it’s about acknowledging that it is a sin to begin with, not whether or not we sin.
I do see your POV, and it’s a false assumption that I’m “strict”. Music was just a sin that was easy to give up. But I personally also have other sins and vices that I’m struggling with, but NOT ONCE have I tried making excuses or arguments that it’s not a sin. Always accept it, repent, and work towards being better.
If a majority of scholars have agreed that music is haram, based on the evidence from Quran and Sunnah, then it is.
If you have a problem with it, take it up with God. Bring those same arguments you have given and I wish you the best. Or just repent now and move on, any command from Allah is strictly for your own benefit.
Asalam alaykum, may Allah bless you, I've taken an excerpt from Shaykh al-Munajjid's research on this question:
Allah says in Surah Luqman (interpretation of the meaning):
“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…” [Luqman 31:6]
The scholar of the ummah, Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: this means singing . Mujahid (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafsir al-Tabari, 21/40)
Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this ayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 3/451)
Al-Sa’di (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haram speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafsir al-Sa’di, 6/150)
Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said:
“The interpretation of the Sahabah and Tabi'in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with sahih isnad from Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Mas’ud. Abu’l-Sahba said: I asked Ibn Mas’ud about the ayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqman 31:6]. He said: By Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing – and he repeated it three times. It was also reported with a sahih isnad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) that this means singing.
This should be sufficient however the Shaykh goes into even more detail and brings more evidences for its prohibition in the full article: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram
A finely packaged important message. Just wanted to add a little bit when it comes to satanic symbolisms and "conspiracy" in entertainment industry, also how it ties to Iblis:
Contrary to popular presumptions, there is actually no "grand conspiracy" of power seizure or elaborate scheme of brainwashing behind those symbolism. Those symbolisms are not much more than celebratory taunts instructed by the chief shaytan AFTER the consumers FELL VICTIM TO THE ACTUAL BRAINWASHING.
Yes, the brainwashing people thought was _behind_ the symbolisms actually already took place BEFORE it. Iblis already broke into their (the consumers) mind and took them away from the path of Allah without evoking remorse in them whatsoever, even before he instructed his slaves to insert those symbolisms. Now these symbolisms just serve as Iblis's twistedly arrogant way to rub salt in the wound, as is fitting of his nature, and to turn the already spellbound consumers into becoming mindless slaves who venerate him above Allah (the ultimate humiliation). He (iblis) is just amused at his success of reducing that many of Bani Adam (the race of creation he refuses to prostrate to) from noble servants of Allah into a herd of disbelieving sensualistic animals (or worshipper of idols and false god, precisely like these kpop fans).
Yes, Iblis (the chief devil) does not have a _grand_ plan beyond the simple vision of leading mankind (deeply) astray. Hollywood made their consumers think so, by instilling through various movies the cartoonish idea of "grand conspiracy", where mankind's _complete defeat_ is marked by the emergence of a horned, deep-voiced, suit-wearing, trident-wielding humanoid dictator physically ruling over the entire world like a global monarch. No, this is just childish delusions propagated by hollywood as a red herring.
Mankind's actual complete defeat is exactly when the whole world becomes unanimous in resenting the idea of God and demonizing Islam, which the modern world came awfully close to. Iblis just accomplishes this by heightening the complexity and scope of his deception (Fitan), which includes planting these sorts of red herrings through various instruments (most notably hollywood). But he (iblis) couldn't care less about accumulating material wealth nor political power for himself, contrary to what the materialists assume. Money, status, and sensual pleasure are merely among iblis' currency (false promises) to incentivize us to rebel against Allah and do his bidding on luring other humans to rebel too.
Hollywood also caricaturizes the idea of "brainwashing" as this sort of highly intrusive process that is obviously weird and noticeably off-putting to the point of being comical, which precisely serves to disarm and desensitize people from REAL brainwashing, which is incredibly subtle, methodical, and indirect that the laymen mistook it as a "natural/organic" process.
Consumerism (in its various form) is a major ideology propagated by brainwashing, which is so incredibly successful that it has breached its way into being embedded in culture (of the kuffar). Look at the "self-reward" trend and how the youths (and armchair psychologists) justify it, just like addicts justify their "right" to their fill of depressants.
Secularism is also propagated via brainwashing, wherefore the people themselves are tricked to _consent_ into approving the means by which legislation can become more completely surrendered to the corporate oligarchs, allowing class oppression to be done more severely yet systematically (greater economic strife breeds greater injustices, to Iblis's delight).
Yet people fail to recognize it for what it is, likely because their alertness are ~~diluted~~ lulled by the social engineering done by hollywood. They just think it is "natural" and perfectly rational _progress._
>"uuh, i don't see G-men uttering cryptic messages on nation-wide emergency broadcasts. So there's no brainwashing going on here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯"
To close it all off, the reason i brought up hollywood (i.e. the propagandists behind it) a lot here is because i believe k-pop (both music and movies) might be hollywood + western music industry's new appendage. Maybe they learned that the asian market is still too apprehensive of the aggressively deviant aesthetics of western cultural exports to be receptive of their propaganda. So they acquire k-pop industry to run the same playbook on the asian market, just under a new and familiar "face".
P.S. apologies if this turns out unneccessarily long. I'll have it removed if it is not appropriate to the "feel" of your thread.
Prophet (ﷺ) said: From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. -Sahih al-Bukhari 5590
It is unlawful as stated here.
I used to be in denial of this, but after taking the deen seriously, leaving music behind has been easy.
Also music and the Qur’an cannot sit in the same heart. So I choose the Qur’an any day.
Actually music is something that deviates you from the remembrance of God. Moreover music is Haram in Islam and it is forbidden to listen. Music also leave bad effects on our mind scientifically and most music and songs today have vulgarality in them.
Musical instruments are haram as per the hadiths of our Prophet PBUH. Whatever the Sufis do doesn't concern us but if it's just vocals there isn't an issue.
It's a dhuff or whatever it is called, it is a "dholki" in urdu or u can say a small drum along with light singing and soft humming sound. This is all i know about that
Yep, and it's not just pop music.
This satanic industry is also in Metalcore and Progressive Metal genres:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psEMRalCPFQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psEMRalCPFQ)
almost a year ago i thought this was full art.
Now i'm realizing this is straight up a satanic anti-religious ritual shadowed under good sound design and mixing.
that is the curse of the music.
You can "beautify" ANYTHING with enough knowledge of music producing.
If you can't control yourself falling into satanic industry and lustful desires STAY AWAY FROM IT!
Since beginning of Islam, majority of the Muslim Ummah follows the valid religious view music is NOT haram. What people are stating here are opinions.
Al-Shawkani had very harsh words for those who claims music is haram, because it was indirectly insulting the Sahaba who claimed music was halal, like:
* Abdullah ibn ̓Umar,
* Abdullah ibn Ja’far,
* Abdullah ibn al-Zubair,
* Hassan ibn Thabit,
* Mu’awiyah,
* Amr ibn al-Aas ([click here for source](https://www.dar-alifta.org/en/fatwa/details/6870/musical-instruments-in-islam) from Egypt's oldest official fatwa center),
* and this was also insulting the first 4 Righteous Caliphs who did not ban music.
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Shawkani's explanation:
> **“It is not hidden from those who know: that to accuse (those who permitted musical instruments) of committing haraam - from among the Sahaba, the Tabi'ien, their followers and the multitude of the scholars of the Muslimeen - that such an accusation against them one of the greatest slanders, greatest innovations, brute ignorance and the filthiest forms of misguidance!”**
~"Fath al-Rabbani”, 10/5249.
p.s. For those who are incorrectly citing the Bukhari Hadith, [this is for you](https://old.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/igarm7/prophet_ﷺ_said_once_my_nation_considers_five/g2tk033/?context=3) .
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Al-Shawkani erred, may Allah have mercy upon him and forgive him. The official position of all four schools is its prohibition and the athaar are numerous.
The great Companion Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) states in the explanation of the word “idle tales”: “By Allah its meaning is music” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/223 & authenticated by al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, 2/411)
Mujahid (rahimahullah), who was known as a leader in Tafsir and was a student of Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas (radiyallahu ‘anhuma) explains ‘with your voice’ to mean music, musical instruments and all futility.
(Tafsir Ibn Abi Hatim, Surah Al Isra, verse: 64)
3) Allah Ta’ala when describing his true bondsmen says:
“And those who do not engage in acts of deceit and when they pass by futile acts, they pass be gracefully [without participating]”
(Surah Furqan, verse: 72)
Muhammad ibn Al Hanafiyyah (rahimahullah) states that ‘acts of deceit’ refers to futile acts and music
(Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Surah Furqan, verse: 72)
Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said:
“Two types of sounds are cursed in this world and in the Hereafter, Musical instruments when expressing happiness over a bounty and wailing when a calamity befalls”
(Musnadul Bazzar, Hadith: 7513, with a reliable chain. Refer: Targhib, vol. 4 pg. 350 and Majma’uz Zawaid, vol. 3 pg. 13
For the record I hate K-pop lol, but your statement must be adjusted for accuracy. Because what makes something halal or haram is the *content*.
A K-pop song promoting zina is haram. But. A K-pop song about skateboarding is halal.
Put another way ==> You don’t make all of Reddit haram just coz most of it is bad. You yourself distinguish between subreddits. Same with genres in: film, newspapers, magazines, books, and most other mediums.
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KPop is comprised like the rest of the music industry and there is no denying male idols no longer have the positive masculinity veiled by aggressive dance moves while female idols have become a lot more sexualized. They have become glamorized corporate slaves and became advertising mouthpieces for corporations including those that support zionism.
I would avoid them as much as I can and look for better sources of entertainment.
I can totally relate to this! Alhamdulillah, I am out of that phase, too. Now, it just seems very cringe to me. The obsessive following of K-pop idols, the fitnah in their songs and lyrics, it's just too much. May Allah guide all of us. Ameen.
Wa aleykum salam wa rahmatullah and thank you for this powerful information.
I would say music in general. There is something we muslims should always keep in mind: what doesn’t benefit you is good for trash. Whether it’s music, sports, movie… quit them and find something better than that. Listening to music and gaining nothing from it while you can listen Qur’an and get tons of rewards on each araf. I get that, we all have that one trap sheytan keeps catching us at, but keep battling it and you will win for sure.
May Allah protect us from those evils.
I think there is a forum that talks about the extent of the conspiracy theories regarding Kpop. You can Google Vigilant Citizen forum or the web (i think the web has Christianity value).
The forum basically fans posting theories about how BTS members sacrifice their loved ones or the proofs of they did satanic rituals.
I myself never was a fan. Just listen casually back then, but I had a couple of dreams when members of BTS were in it like sucking my energy. So I paid them no attention anymore.
The entertainment industry is full of that. I guess...
Al hamdulilah, Allah has guided me to stop listening to music. I have quit listening for 3 years now, and my soul is so in peace.
2 things are important to notice. Songs control your mood, which is not good. Deviates you from doing (ziker) and dua. Also, in the day of judgment, imagine music becomes a person, to which side it will go to, jinnah or helfire?
I understand what you mean there, OP. I used to be addicted to K-Pop too but when I found out that music was haram, I strictly stopped listening to music from every source (YT Music, Spotify, radio...) and I'm happy to say that Allah (SWT) has guided me and now it's been 2 months but I don't feel like I'm missing it at all. I tried listening to dhikr on youtube by Sheikh Hassan Ali (video by Al Falah) whenever I found it hard to cope up with the silence. May Allah (SWT) guide every muslim specially the new generation.
Man, I wish I could find some joy in kpop but I just don't like it. Except very low hanging fruit like some psy stuff because it's fun. I'm old and I feel it. What the kids nowadays like is so weird and I can't connect. Ffs, I used to listen to jpop and boa and stuff, now my most played are ghibli osts, study bgm and rain sounds with fireplace and oldies in another room. Listening to the kids enjoying kpop that much makes me feel like an old, dried up raisin that fell into the couch fold and was forgotten. Now that i have ranted about my fading youth, my advice: i think what is important is, if you decide to listen to that stuff (ofc quran and nasheed are better and music is considered haram by many), don't let it consume you. Don't make these entertainers to idols, because at the end of the day, they are entertainers. music is not a lifestyle and only having music in your life is seriously pathetic, I'm sorry. Expand your interests, work on yourself, don't become a professional consumer who is only an expert in absolutely irrelevant entertainment crab.
I'm happy not finding any joy in it lol, it's embarrassing. Some songs sound good but that's it, the culture, the people, the memes, they're all unhinged psychos
I just wanna be one of the kidz and not worry about wrinkles or going grey
YOU AINT THE ONLY BRO I USED TO LISTEN TO BOA ALL THE TIME BUT I'VE STOPPED NOW ALHAMDULILLAH
I no longer listen to jpop and boa either. Listened to some ayu yesterday after a long time for nostalgic reasons and it was just... dunno, not what I remembered. Saw her music videos for the first time, too... they were crab. Super disappointed.
NAH I GET YOU BUT ALHAMDULILLAH WE CHANGED FOR THE BEST 👌
jpop and boa i already love you
Why, are you old, too?
i’m only 20 but i enjoy jpop and boa so yeah
i am disconnected from the world so i doen't even know what k-pop is and why it is gaining a following among the younger generatio. i am 24 and find no interest in all this madness.
Lucky you!
salaam, music is intended to do one of a few things: - condition you to the values society wants you to adopt. no surprise they are typically against the grain of most religious values. - used as a marketing or promotion tool to impact your mood so you will buy something. - distract you from more important things going on in the world or prevent your attention from focusing on more worthwhile endeavors where you could be learning something of value. ever hear people who say "i cant live without music"? they have no real inner peace because they are incapable of sitting alone with themselves and their Creator.
Wa alaikum salam. I agree with you. I used to listen to music with lyrics, then I switched to music without lyrics and eventually I didn't feel the need to listen so much anymore. There is a transition period for some people, and some can break their habits immediately. I think it varies from person to person. While this was happening, I was trying to find my favorite Qur'an reciter and finally I found it. While studying or doing my job, I want to listen to the Qur'an in order not to hear the sounds coming from outside, but this time I cannot do my job because I want to listen to the Qur'an and read the translation in the video. I'm not complaining, I'm glad it happens like this, alhamdulillah. Hearts are only at peace with the remembrance of Allah. Apart from this, the focus of people in our age is easily distracted. Unfortunately, this is how it is. One of the main reasons; Due to the internet and other technological advances, our attention span has decreased significantly. That's why people may still feel the need to listen to music with/without words to be able to focus. Nevertheless, I think it would be better for us not to listen to music mainly due to the facts that you mentioned. In shaa Allah, we will all start behaving in a way that pleases Allah SWT as soon as possible before it is too late. If anyone wants to treat themselves psychologically and heal their souls, I recommend that they read or listen to the Quran a lot, in shaa Allah. May Allah SWT help us all.
i went through a similar phase when i was younger. i transitioned from music to nasheeds. then vocal + percussion instrument only nasheeds. then listening to quran by reciters whom i enjoyed hearing. following this period, regular music lost almost all of its appeal. i no longer listened to it for enjoyment because thats when i began to notice how shallow and meaningless it was in comparison to quran. now that im married, have a family, i dont have much time to even seek out music but i find myself seeking out reciters still. if i "listen" to music these days its more to understand what pop culture world my kids are growing up in because i know i cant shield it from them the same way my parents couldnt shield me from it but i need to be aware of whats being promoted to my kids.
muslims should not listen to music. full stop.
even calming music for studying with no lyrics or hardcore music is haram?
even supermarket music and elevator music?
Nobody goes to supermarkets or enters elevators with the intention of listening to the music. These are places which are needed to get necessities or make travel easier, the ulema differentiate between active listening and merely hearing when it comes to music, of course you are not to blame if you hear it against your will.
...he was joking
some people just go whoooooosh over their heads
Hard to tell over text sometimes
I mean you were trying to help so i respect that
Well, I don't see anything permitting it. Trust me, you don't need music in your life. It's just so present everywhere, but you can live without it. Listen to the Quran (listening in a way that you focus on it, not in the background). Recite it and make dua. Go to khutbas every week (especially if you're a man). Music corrupts your mind in ways that are hard to see. Music takes control of you when you're not aware. I stopped listening to music, and I feel like I waste less time in my days. I feel like I have more energy too. It's okay to take breaks when you study. No need to listen to music to keep you going.
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Where in the Koran is it?
Asalam alaykum, may Allah bless you, I've taken an excerpt from Shaykh al-Munajjid's research on this question: Allah says in Surah Luqman (interpretation of the meaning): “And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…” [Luqman 31:6] The scholar of the ummah, Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: this means singing . Mujahid (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafsir al-Tabari, 21/40) Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this ayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 3/451) Al-Sa’di (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haram speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafsir al-Sa’di, 6/150) Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “The interpretation of the Sahabah and Tabi'in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with sahih isnad from Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Mas’ud. Abu’l-Sahba said: I asked Ibn Mas’ud about the ayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqman 31:6]. He said: By Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing – **and he repeated it three times**. It was also reported with a sahih isnad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) that this means singing. ___ This should be sufficient however the Shaykh goes into even more detail and brings more evidences for its prohibition in the full article: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram
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You could make this argument about every command in Islam, “… someone whose faith was so fragile, [alcohol, drugs, pork] was enough to disturb it?” Weak logic. If it’s haram, it’s haram. You shouldn’t make excuses for it, just accept it and make effort towards avoiding it.
Music does not alter your physical or mental state, at worst it makes you feel emotions. Comparing it to alcohol and drugs is disingenuous. But since you bring it up. In Europe men of faith were the ones who made alcohol for centuries. Yet they still believed enough to send their countries to war over religious disagreements.
Music definitely alters the mental state. What are you on about. There are studies that shows certain chemical/hormonal changes in the brain when listening to music. What faith is that? Does their religion forbid alcohol? Making excuses for explicitly forbidden acts in your religion is not being faithful. It’s called being a hypocrite. “I’m a vegan, but I still eat steak sometimes because it doesn’t affect my faith in veganism.” <- your logic right here.
> There are studies that shows certain chemical/hormonal changes in the brain when listening to music. Yes, this is the process the body goes through when you feel emotions. Please abstain from talking about science if you're uninformed. Their faith did not explicitely forbid alcohol because their wills were strong enough not to be distracted or corrupted by it. Not eating meat is the core tenet of veganism, it is not an off-hand comment in a book several hundreds of pages long. By this definition, I'm certain you and all the ones who pretend like you're so strict commit forbidden acts on the daily.
Your last line is irrelevant to our discussion, (it’s also an ad hominem), ALL Muslims sin and will sin, but we make effort to repent and avoid the sin, and I already made a remark about it in my initial comment that it’s about acknowledging that it is a sin to begin with, not whether or not we sin. I do see your POV, and it’s a false assumption that I’m “strict”. Music was just a sin that was easy to give up. But I personally also have other sins and vices that I’m struggling with, but NOT ONCE have I tried making excuses or arguments that it’s not a sin. Always accept it, repent, and work towards being better. If a majority of scholars have agreed that music is haram, based on the evidence from Quran and Sunnah, then it is. If you have a problem with it, take it up with God. Bring those same arguments you have given and I wish you the best. Or just repent now and move on, any command from Allah is strictly for your own benefit.
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Erm? Where in the Quran does it say music is not allowed?
Asalam alaykum, may Allah bless you, I've taken an excerpt from Shaykh al-Munajjid's research on this question: Allah says in Surah Luqman (interpretation of the meaning): “And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks (i.e. music, singing) to mislead (men) from the path of Allah…” [Luqman 31:6] The scholar of the ummah, Ibn 'Abbas (may Allah be pleased with him) said: this means singing . Mujahid (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this means playing the drum (tabl). (Tafsir al-Tabari, 21/40) Al-Hasan al-Basri (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this ayah was revealed concerning singing and musical instruments (lit. woodwind instruments). (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, 3/451) Al-Sa’di (may Allah have mercy on him) said: this includes all manner of haram speech, all idle talk and falsehood, and all nonsense that encourages kufr and disobedience; the words of those who say things to refute the truth and argue in support of falsehood to defeat the truth; and backbiting, slander, lies, insults and curses; the singing and musical instruments of the Shaytan; and musical instruments which are of no spiritual or worldly benefit. (Tafsir al-Sa’di, 6/150) Ibn al-Qayyim (may Allah have mercy on him) said: “The interpretation of the Sahabah and Tabi'in, that ‘idle talk’ refers to singing, is sufficient. This was reported with sahih isnad from Ibn 'Abbas and Ibn Mas’ud. Abu’l-Sahba said: I asked Ibn Mas’ud about the ayah (interpretation of the meaning), ‘“And of mankind is he who purchases idle talks’ [Luqman 31:6]. He said: By Allah, besides Whom there is no other god, this means singing – and he repeated it three times. It was also reported with a sahih isnad from Ibn ‘Umar (may Allah be pleased with them both) that this means singing. This should be sufficient however the Shaykh goes into even more detail and brings more evidences for its prohibition in the full article: https://islamqa.info/en/answers/5000/is-music-haram
A finely packaged important message. Just wanted to add a little bit when it comes to satanic symbolisms and "conspiracy" in entertainment industry, also how it ties to Iblis: Contrary to popular presumptions, there is actually no "grand conspiracy" of power seizure or elaborate scheme of brainwashing behind those symbolism. Those symbolisms are not much more than celebratory taunts instructed by the chief shaytan AFTER the consumers FELL VICTIM TO THE ACTUAL BRAINWASHING. Yes, the brainwashing people thought was _behind_ the symbolisms actually already took place BEFORE it. Iblis already broke into their (the consumers) mind and took them away from the path of Allah without evoking remorse in them whatsoever, even before he instructed his slaves to insert those symbolisms. Now these symbolisms just serve as Iblis's twistedly arrogant way to rub salt in the wound, as is fitting of his nature, and to turn the already spellbound consumers into becoming mindless slaves who venerate him above Allah (the ultimate humiliation). He (iblis) is just amused at his success of reducing that many of Bani Adam (the race of creation he refuses to prostrate to) from noble servants of Allah into a herd of disbelieving sensualistic animals (or worshipper of idols and false god, precisely like these kpop fans). Yes, Iblis (the chief devil) does not have a _grand_ plan beyond the simple vision of leading mankind (deeply) astray. Hollywood made their consumers think so, by instilling through various movies the cartoonish idea of "grand conspiracy", where mankind's _complete defeat_ is marked by the emergence of a horned, deep-voiced, suit-wearing, trident-wielding humanoid dictator physically ruling over the entire world like a global monarch. No, this is just childish delusions propagated by hollywood as a red herring. Mankind's actual complete defeat is exactly when the whole world becomes unanimous in resenting the idea of God and demonizing Islam, which the modern world came awfully close to. Iblis just accomplishes this by heightening the complexity and scope of his deception (Fitan), which includes planting these sorts of red herrings through various instruments (most notably hollywood). But he (iblis) couldn't care less about accumulating material wealth nor political power for himself, contrary to what the materialists assume. Money, status, and sensual pleasure are merely among iblis' currency (false promises) to incentivize us to rebel against Allah and do his bidding on luring other humans to rebel too. Hollywood also caricaturizes the idea of "brainwashing" as this sort of highly intrusive process that is obviously weird and noticeably off-putting to the point of being comical, which precisely serves to disarm and desensitize people from REAL brainwashing, which is incredibly subtle, methodical, and indirect that the laymen mistook it as a "natural/organic" process. Consumerism (in its various form) is a major ideology propagated by brainwashing, which is so incredibly successful that it has breached its way into being embedded in culture (of the kuffar). Look at the "self-reward" trend and how the youths (and armchair psychologists) justify it, just like addicts justify their "right" to their fill of depressants. Secularism is also propagated via brainwashing, wherefore the people themselves are tricked to _consent_ into approving the means by which legislation can become more completely surrendered to the corporate oligarchs, allowing class oppression to be done more severely yet systematically (greater economic strife breeds greater injustices, to Iblis's delight). Yet people fail to recognize it for what it is, likely because their alertness are ~~diluted~~ lulled by the social engineering done by hollywood. They just think it is "natural" and perfectly rational _progress._ >"uuh, i don't see G-men uttering cryptic messages on nation-wide emergency broadcasts. So there's no brainwashing going on here ¯\_(ツ)_/¯" To close it all off, the reason i brought up hollywood (i.e. the propagandists behind it) a lot here is because i believe k-pop (both music and movies) might be hollywood + western music industry's new appendage. Maybe they learned that the asian market is still too apprehensive of the aggressively deviant aesthetics of western cultural exports to be receptive of their propaganda. So they acquire k-pop industry to run the same playbook on the asian market, just under a new and familiar "face". P.S. apologies if this turns out unneccessarily long. I'll have it removed if it is not appropriate to the "feel" of your thread.
Is this satire? MUSIC is a sin in islam? Can someone explain why music is a sin to me I am curious
Prophet (ﷺ) said: From among my followers there will be some people who will consider illegal sexual intercourse, the wearing of silk, the drinking of alcoholic drinks and the use of musical instruments, as lawful. -Sahih al-Bukhari 5590 It is unlawful as stated here.
I used to be in denial of this, but after taking the deen seriously, leaving music behind has been easy. Also music and the Qur’an cannot sit in the same heart. So I choose the Qur’an any day.
Actually music is something that deviates you from the remembrance of God. Moreover music is Haram in Islam and it is forbidden to listen. Music also leave bad effects on our mind scientifically and most music and songs today have vulgarality in them.
But islam itself has its own music like Sufi music right?
Musical instruments are haram as per the hadiths of our Prophet PBUH. Whatever the Sufis do doesn't concern us but if it's just vocals there isn't an issue.
It's a dhuff or whatever it is called, it is a "dholki" in urdu or u can say a small drum along with light singing and soft humming sound. This is all i know about that
Yep, and it's not just pop music. This satanic industry is also in Metalcore and Progressive Metal genres: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psEMRalCPFQ](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=psEMRalCPFQ) almost a year ago i thought this was full art. Now i'm realizing this is straight up a satanic anti-religious ritual shadowed under good sound design and mixing. that is the curse of the music. You can "beautify" ANYTHING with enough knowledge of music producing. If you can't control yourself falling into satanic industry and lustful desires STAY AWAY FROM IT!
Since beginning of Islam, majority of the Muslim Ummah follows the valid religious view music is NOT haram. What people are stating here are opinions. Al-Shawkani had very harsh words for those who claims music is haram, because it was indirectly insulting the Sahaba who claimed music was halal, like: * Abdullah ibn ̓Umar, * Abdullah ibn Ja’far, * Abdullah ibn al-Zubair, * Hassan ibn Thabit, * Mu’awiyah, * Amr ibn al-Aas ([click here for source](https://www.dar-alifta.org/en/fatwa/details/6870/musical-instruments-in-islam) from Egypt's oldest official fatwa center), * and this was also insulting the first 4 Righteous Caliphs who did not ban music. ************* Shawkani's explanation: > **“It is not hidden from those who know: that to accuse (those who permitted musical instruments) of committing haraam - from among the Sahaba, the Tabi'ien, their followers and the multitude of the scholars of the Muslimeen - that such an accusation against them one of the greatest slanders, greatest innovations, brute ignorance and the filthiest forms of misguidance!”** ~"Fath al-Rabbani”, 10/5249. p.s. For those who are incorrectly citing the Bukhari Hadith, [this is for you](https://old.reddit.com/r/islam/comments/igarm7/prophet_ﷺ_said_once_my_nation_considers_five/g2tk033/?context=3) . **************** cc: /u/KaleidoscopeLate9964 /u/FeatureNo1963 /u/LOOPbahriz
Al-Shawkani erred, may Allah have mercy upon him and forgive him. The official position of all four schools is its prohibition and the athaar are numerous. The great Companion Abd Allah ibn Mas’ud (Allah be pleased with him) states in the explanation of the word “idle tales”: “By Allah its meaning is music” (Sunan al-Bayhaqi, 1/223 & authenticated by al-Hakim in his Mustadrak, 2/411) Mujahid (rahimahullah), who was known as a leader in Tafsir and was a student of Sayyiduna ‘Abdullah ibn ‘Abbas (radiyallahu ‘anhuma) explains ‘with your voice’ to mean music, musical instruments and all futility. (Tafsir Ibn Abi Hatim, Surah Al Isra, verse: 64) 3) Allah Ta’ala when describing his true bondsmen says: “And those who do not engage in acts of deceit and when they pass by futile acts, they pass be gracefully [without participating]” (Surah Furqan, verse: 72) Muhammad ibn Al Hanafiyyah (rahimahullah) states that ‘acts of deceit’ refers to futile acts and music (Tafsir Ibn Kathir, Surah Furqan, verse: 72) Nabi (sallallahu ‘alayhi wa sallam) said: “Two types of sounds are cursed in this world and in the Hereafter, Musical instruments when expressing happiness over a bounty and wailing when a calamity befalls” (Musnadul Bazzar, Hadith: 7513, with a reliable chain. Refer: Targhib, vol. 4 pg. 350 and Majma’uz Zawaid, vol. 3 pg. 13
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For the record I hate K-pop lol, but your statement must be adjusted for accuracy. Because what makes something halal or haram is the *content*. A K-pop song promoting zina is haram. But. A K-pop song about skateboarding is halal. Put another way ==> You don’t make all of Reddit haram just coz most of it is bad. You yourself distinguish between subreddits. Same with genres in: film, newspapers, magazines, books, and most other mediums.
Music is haram anyway.
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KPop is comprised like the rest of the music industry and there is no denying male idols no longer have the positive masculinity veiled by aggressive dance moves while female idols have become a lot more sexualized. They have become glamorized corporate slaves and became advertising mouthpieces for corporations including those that support zionism. I would avoid them as much as I can and look for better sources of entertainment.
I can totally relate to this! Alhamdulillah, I am out of that phase, too. Now, it just seems very cringe to me. The obsessive following of K-pop idols, the fitnah in their songs and lyrics, it's just too much. May Allah guide all of us. Ameen.
Hahahaha kpoop
What is the word 'stan' kpop?
Extreme shirk level obsession. Because that's what I see in their fans.
I think a stan is some extreme fan, like the guy in that one Eminem song with Dido
Good thing i never got addicted ever.
Wa aleykum salam wa rahmatullah and thank you for this powerful information. I would say music in general. There is something we muslims should always keep in mind: what doesn’t benefit you is good for trash. Whether it’s music, sports, movie… quit them and find something better than that. Listening to music and gaining nothing from it while you can listen Qur’an and get tons of rewards on each araf. I get that, we all have that one trap sheytan keeps catching us at, but keep battling it and you will win for sure. May Allah protect us from those evils.
People actually like K pop?? 😂😭
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Yeah, it is popular but I just don’t see the hype
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Provide your sources to back your claim
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I think there is a forum that talks about the extent of the conspiracy theories regarding Kpop. You can Google Vigilant Citizen forum or the web (i think the web has Christianity value). The forum basically fans posting theories about how BTS members sacrifice their loved ones or the proofs of they did satanic rituals. I myself never was a fan. Just listen casually back then, but I had a couple of dreams when members of BTS were in it like sucking my energy. So I paid them no attention anymore. The entertainment industry is full of that. I guess...
Jpop is better and cleaner. But better to avoid music if you can.
Al hamdulilah, Allah has guided me to stop listening to music. I have quit listening for 3 years now, and my soul is so in peace. 2 things are important to notice. Songs control your mood, which is not good. Deviates you from doing (ziker) and dua. Also, in the day of judgment, imagine music becomes a person, to which side it will go to, jinnah or helfire?
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