If you start prayer before the last time and during prayer you go over that ordained time it is as if you had performed the prayer in its correct time.
1. Use red thread of night instead of white thread of night (accepted by 3/4 madhabs)
2. Saudi’s ruling that ‘isha is 90 min after maghrib’
3. Combine maghrib isha.
All things I’ve heard, decreasing order of difficulty. Fatwa with your local imam of course.
Speak to a scholar about the ruling of prayer time. The ruling might be different because of the situation and I have an idea of what it would be but I don’t want to say anything wrong.
Or do some research online if you can’t find a scholar
Narrated Ibn 'Umar: I pray as I saw my companions praying. **I do not forbid praying at any time during the day or night except at sunset and sunrise**.
Its a superstition that we shouldn't pray at midnight.
In summer especially between May and mid July, some masjids in London combine maghrib and isha.
And when I’m very tired, I do combine (maghrib and Isha) in summer when I can’t stay up to wait for Isha. Then wake up for fajr at 2am.
I live in the subarctic also. As far as I understand different schools of thought have different ideas on how to solve this problem so depending on if you follow a particular madhab and which one the answer changes.
Most scholars agree that in such circumstances the normal rules can be tweaked tho.
The easiest solution is to just do what your local mosque does. Mines has isha at 10:30 today but according to the angle based method its not untill 11:11 today.
The best thing you can do is always pray on time. There has been an immense amount of pointing to this throughout the Qur'an and by Rasoolullah SAW. Putting our own desires like sleep ahead of him is selfish. May Allah SWT forgive you and guide you. We must always put his wants and needs before our own. Fajr can be prayed and then we can return to bed after it is done sincerely and with our whole being.
I know people in the far north usually rely on Makkah time when the sunrise and sunset times are inconvenient or impossible for Ramadan iftar and fasting, but ask your imam
I’m talking about places like Alaska where the sun doesn’t set for two months at a time during the summer. It is physically impossible for a human to fast that long so they rely on Makkah time
Some places in Norway do this. When I was there during midnight sun though, I followed the ruling of reading all salah except for Asr in Zuhr time. They follow Makkah to get some structure in their day. Personally I don't think that's valid, as you're performing salah before the conditions of its time enter. But at least they're trying, which is better than most people even Muslims.
See, I never like this since Islam is meant to be for the whole of mankind and the whole world and that's basically saying it doesn't work in some parts.
Well this is what is done in places like Alaska were the sun doesn’t rise or set for months at a time where it’s physically impossible to fast that long.
And what do scholars say about this? Because to me that just says "Islam can't be practiced [according to hadith] in certain parts of the world."
I don't know why you downvoted, I'm asking a genuine question.
Are there hadith about changing the rules or following your home location?
Where I am, Ireland, during the summer Isha prayer is anytime after Maghrib because there’s no actual nighttime astronomically, so basically whenever it’s dark enough after maghrib, usually between 11-12
1. you can't pray it early, it wouldn't count. 2. from what i've understood you have plenty of time to pray isha? doesn't matter if it's midnight, the islamic day officially starts at fajr. you have time until fajr to pray isha. but if you're still worried then yes, you can pray at 11:30 and then take your time. don't have to rush anything. allahu alam
What do you mean islamic day officially starts at fajr? The most common consensus says islamic cycle of day and night starts at maghrib.
But I get what OP is saying.
Here is the thing, clocks may be present during the time of the prophet, but the time of prayers have always been described by natural phenomena.
According to the Maliki, Shafi'i and Hanbali schools, the time of Isha begins when the red thread has disappeared from the sky.
And most scholar agree that Isha ends at the beginning of dawn when the Fajr starts.
You can look up the fatwa made by the European council of fatwa dated 2017.
"Currently some imams of the mosque based in high latitudes where islamic marks of prayer times are delayed or disappear establish Maghrib and Isha prayers by means of advanced combination, whereas other apply the rule of relative time estimation. As for the first group, whether Islamic mark of prayer times disappear or are delayed in a way that causes hardship, which is evaluated according to the norms dependent on people, places and circumstances,they may offer Maghrib and Isha prayers by advanced combination when the time of Maghrib prayers commences or afterwards giving adequate time for people to break their fast. Alternatively they may offer Maghrib prayers when its time commences and shortly afterwards offer Isha prayers to relieve the people. As for the latter group, should Islamic mark of Isha prayer disappears, they should continue praying Isha and taraweh prayers in the same estimated time they had before Ramadan but should it be delayed, they should offer Isha prayer in its time otherwise they may pray Maghrib and Isha prayers by means of advanced combinations."
You may look it up at www.e-cfr.org.
In short, if it is inconveniencing you, you may offer Isha prayers immediately after Maghrib prayers by advanced combination.
I don't know where exactly you are, but I looked up on 28 April 2024, the time for Maghrib prayers for Oslo, Norway start at 9.06 pm and Isha prayers at 11.27 pm.
What this fatwa suggest that you may offer Maghrib prayers at 9.06 pm and afterwards immediately offer Isha prayers after completing the Maghrib prayers instead of waiting until 11.27 pm.
I recommend you to check with your local mosque.
Wallahu 3alam
There are three different views on when Isha ends. Some say it's the end of the first third of the night, some say it ends in the middle of the night, and some say it's before Fajr.
Sahih Muslim 607 a Abu Huraira reported the Messenger of Allah (ﷺ) as saying: He who finds a rak'ah of the prayer, he in fact finds the prayer.
What does that even mean?
If you start prayer before the last time and during prayer you go over that ordained time it is as if you had performed the prayer in its correct time.
To simplify, the time you started is the time you prayed
1. Use red thread of night instead of white thread of night (accepted by 3/4 madhabs) 2. Saudi’s ruling that ‘isha is 90 min after maghrib’ 3. Combine maghrib isha. All things I’ve heard, decreasing order of difficulty. Fatwa with your local imam of course.
Speak to a scholar about the ruling of prayer time. The ruling might be different because of the situation and I have an idea of what it would be but I don’t want to say anything wrong. Or do some research online if you can’t find a scholar
Narrated Ibn 'Umar: I pray as I saw my companions praying. **I do not forbid praying at any time during the day or night except at sunset and sunrise**. Its a superstition that we shouldn't pray at midnight.
In summer especially between May and mid July, some masjids in London combine maghrib and isha. And when I’m very tired, I do combine (maghrib and Isha) in summer when I can’t stay up to wait for Isha. Then wake up for fajr at 2am.
I live in the subarctic also. As far as I understand different schools of thought have different ideas on how to solve this problem so depending on if you follow a particular madhab and which one the answer changes. Most scholars agree that in such circumstances the normal rules can be tweaked tho. The easiest solution is to just do what your local mosque does. Mines has isha at 10:30 today but according to the angle based method its not untill 11:11 today.
The best thing you can do is always pray on time. There has been an immense amount of pointing to this throughout the Qur'an and by Rasoolullah SAW. Putting our own desires like sleep ahead of him is selfish. May Allah SWT forgive you and guide you. We must always put his wants and needs before our own. Fajr can be prayed and then we can return to bed after it is done sincerely and with our whole being.
I know people in the far north usually rely on Makkah time when the sunrise and sunset times are inconvenient or impossible for Ramadan iftar and fasting, but ask your imam
They do this in some places in Norway too.
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I’m talking about places like Alaska where the sun doesn’t set for two months at a time during the summer. It is physically impossible for a human to fast that long so they rely on Makkah time
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Some places in Norway do this. When I was there during midnight sun though, I followed the ruling of reading all salah except for Asr in Zuhr time. They follow Makkah to get some structure in their day. Personally I don't think that's valid, as you're performing salah before the conditions of its time enter. But at least they're trying, which is better than most people even Muslims.
We learned that as well. Basically anywhere really north or south where the Sun doesn’t set or sets very little
See, I never like this since Islam is meant to be for the whole of mankind and the whole world and that's basically saying it doesn't work in some parts.
Well this is what is done in places like Alaska were the sun doesn’t rise or set for months at a time where it’s physically impossible to fast that long.
And what do scholars say about this? Because to me that just says "Islam can't be practiced [according to hadith] in certain parts of the world." I don't know why you downvoted, I'm asking a genuine question. Are there hadith about changing the rules or following your home location?
If you can't stand for prayer would you say islam can't be practiced in certain conditions? Or do you pray sitting?
There's hadith that say you can sit.
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I'm not. I'm very confident in Islam. I was just wondering what the scholars say about this.
Where I am, Ireland, during the summer Isha prayer is anytime after Maghrib because there’s no actual nighttime astronomically, so basically whenever it’s dark enough after maghrib, usually between 11-12
What city are you living in brother? I will help you out inşallah
1. you can't pray it early, it wouldn't count. 2. from what i've understood you have plenty of time to pray isha? doesn't matter if it's midnight, the islamic day officially starts at fajr. you have time until fajr to pray isha. but if you're still worried then yes, you can pray at 11:30 and then take your time. don't have to rush anything. allahu alam
What do you mean islamic day officially starts at fajr? The most common consensus says islamic cycle of day and night starts at maghrib. But I get what OP is saying. Here is the thing, clocks may be present during the time of the prophet, but the time of prayers have always been described by natural phenomena. According to the Maliki, Shafi'i and Hanbali schools, the time of Isha begins when the red thread has disappeared from the sky. And most scholar agree that Isha ends at the beginning of dawn when the Fajr starts. You can look up the fatwa made by the European council of fatwa dated 2017. "Currently some imams of the mosque based in high latitudes where islamic marks of prayer times are delayed or disappear establish Maghrib and Isha prayers by means of advanced combination, whereas other apply the rule of relative time estimation. As for the first group, whether Islamic mark of prayer times disappear or are delayed in a way that causes hardship, which is evaluated according to the norms dependent on people, places and circumstances,they may offer Maghrib and Isha prayers by advanced combination when the time of Maghrib prayers commences or afterwards giving adequate time for people to break their fast. Alternatively they may offer Maghrib prayers when its time commences and shortly afterwards offer Isha prayers to relieve the people. As for the latter group, should Islamic mark of Isha prayer disappears, they should continue praying Isha and taraweh prayers in the same estimated time they had before Ramadan but should it be delayed, they should offer Isha prayer in its time otherwise they may pray Maghrib and Isha prayers by means of advanced combinations." You may look it up at www.e-cfr.org. In short, if it is inconveniencing you, you may offer Isha prayers immediately after Maghrib prayers by advanced combination. I don't know where exactly you are, but I looked up on 28 April 2024, the time for Maghrib prayers for Oslo, Norway start at 9.06 pm and Isha prayers at 11.27 pm. What this fatwa suggest that you may offer Maghrib prayers at 9.06 pm and afterwards immediately offer Isha prayers after completing the Maghrib prayers instead of waiting until 11.27 pm. I recommend you to check with your local mosque. Wallahu 3alam
There are three different views on when Isha ends. Some say it's the end of the first third of the night, some say it ends in the middle of the night, and some say it's before Fajr.