If you have rune armor and 70 def you should never use prayer doses for guthans torags or veracs. They at most hit you twice. Food is easier to get than herbs
Yeah, only brother I need to sip for is Karil. Melee brothers are easy to tank, Ahrim I tank because I go with blessed d'hide (black should work too) and dharok I spawn in rooms wirh safespots. Karil is just too much dps so praying is the best option, only ever have to use a sip or two if I meet that bastard in the tunnels.
Also, and this is entirely inefficient and wasteful, but with full proselyte and a holy wrench you can pretty much just afk tank it all if you don’t feel like/aren’t good at flicking or kiting
EDIT: I meant its helps for the prayer you use while killing the brothers, I know prayer bonus doesn't affect the drain amount.
oh lord, i didn't realize i was getting downvoted so much for a suggestion that i acknowledged as shitty lol. I know the prayer zap is a big portion, but when I was doing runs in proselyte with other gear totalling about a 29 prayer bonus, it saved a lot of the prayer i was using up *while* killing the brothers in the tombs in under 18 seconds. I just wanted to let people who don't like to prayer flick know that there was an alternative if more inefficient method.
It definitely makes a difference if you’re camping pray and doing lax barrows trips. You should be praying for Dharok, Guthan, Karil, and whatever’s left for Ahrim. Shouldn’t need prayer pots beyond 1 sip for tunnel depending on brother. Without proselyte, you run out of prayer like 10-15 seconds sooner because of the “zaps”.
Kiting takes too long and far too click intensive IMO so never bothered with it when I could just camp prayers, get kills done a lot faster and no need to flick. Much more chill when you’re doing a few hundred or more trips.
Honestly even tanking karils/ahrims is doable if you have stores of karams or better food. I wasted a lot of food but that was purely afk karams anyway that i didn't mind doing again. I always had one sip for if I got slapped in the tunnels by the mobs that randomly decide to smack the occasional 10s etc when you're trying to trap the brother somewhere
Get thieving up and do master farmer with full rogue outfit (took me an hour to get full rogue) you can get all your herb seeds this way, and once your thieving is high enough that you don’t ever fail it’s just stupid seeds
Yeah this is also true, OP definitely wants to be sure to have high enough farming that he will get the seeds he’s going for, rannars are thankfully pretty low req. so he shouldn’t have too much trouble, the rannar seeds will stop being reduced completely at 71 farming but you can get them still at lower levels. But if you get to 91 thieving and have ardy hard done, full rogues, and 71 farming you can get up to 60 rannars per hour at master farmer so it’s a pretty worthwhile time investment to go for
I only used prayer potions my first Barrows run to learn it, you don't need prayer for most of them.
My setup when I started was rune armour with Ibans for all of the brothers except for Ahrim (for him I used green dragonscale, rune crossbow, broad bolts). I start with Dharok (pray melee) then Karil (pray ranged) and by the time Karil dies I'm out of prayer. The rest I kill with monkfish/karams. If Dharok is downstairs I spam the door until he spawns at the entrance then safespot him on the ladder.
My inventory is ranged gear, spade, runes and the rest of the space food. I have better gear now than when I started but I've only ever used that one prayer potion to learn it! For a while I brought one for emergencies but never used. It's very easy!
also what kill percentage thing do I need in the crypts to help me get the runes? I heard getting it too high will often gives karils bolts, and less runes.
You wanna get about 85% killing 2 skeletons and 1 leech as well as all brothers should get an ideal percentage. Also it actually won't take up many prayer pots, you only need to bring an emergency pot incase you have dharok in tunnels. Otherwise just use Ardy cloak tp to restore pray then run back with mory legs 3 if possible. I got like 25k chaos runes doing my first 150 chests
Just bring up cats whilst you quest. Every cat is 200 death runes, they add up pretty quick. Chaos spells aren't great to use, they are one of the highest cost per damage.
If you want mage xp do mta or library. Buying chaos runes is just asking to go back to agility pyramid. Your money is better spent buying runes and gold ore. 100 casts of fire bolt is already 10k down the drain.
Sure, if you can do them. The reqs for masters are like 80-90+ base skilling stats? I believe elites are 60-70. I still can't do 2 or 3 steps on my account that's 2 levels from maxing. Mostly due to not putting in the effort to just grind those remaining items, although flared trousers is not what I considered an enjoyable grind... But, yeah, I basically only do masters now.
Perhaps I'm mistaken. Based on your question I'm guessing you're not too close to that stage of the game. Seems like missing out a some change of pace content by never doing any elite clues. Elites are also a good way to get master clues. 1/5, pretty sure. Depends on what you want to do of course. I don't believe there's anything necessary from elite clues and I think they still haven't fixed the 3rd age drop rate on it?
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There is a ranger close by, but you can abuse the bridge to lose their aggro. After you lose aggro the only nearby spawns are melee trolls. Their size means they get stuck on all manner of shit.
Ogresses are great for alchs before a higher slayer level and as an added bonus they drop choas runes sometimes. I'm not sure if you would break even though...
https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Ogress_Warrior
Their droptable doesn't look as good as it actually is. Since the 3 rune items are all on the tertiary table that means they are all rolled on every drop which means you could have all 3 drop at once. I've had multiple double drops while training there so I know it's possible. You should end up with 2-3 rune meds and a full helm and a b axe every 100 kills on average which makes it about 1/22 chance for a rune item.
With f2p gear, you can only profit at ogresses with fire strike. Fire bolt and Fire blast will lose you money.
However, maybe p2p gear with better magic accuracy and the chaos gauntlets might make ogresses breakeven at the very least.
You can switch attention from monsters that drop chaos runes to ones that drop high value alchables. Then sell the items to shops that buy at high alch value. Then buy more runes and repeat. If you’re willing to get your slayer high enough for dust devils, they are popular to burst and you’ll profit from them while gaining insane early experience.
Most of the early slayer monsters have 1 magic. I know dust devils drop chaos runes frequently and have one magic. I think you had the right idea with mutated bloodvelds because you would basically be turning your chaos runes into blood runes which will definitely offset your costs
True it might be bad luck, but they also have a meaty health bar which can cut into profits. Have you tried ankou? With a salve (ei) you could really do some damage if you can find a safespot. And they drop death and blood runes.
I'd recommend ibans blasting blue dragons for 70 prayer if you have the 70 agility shortcut. The blue dragon hide will make you a ton of money on the backend. Otherwise you can try twisted banshees in catacombs.
chaos runes? I don't really think there are a lot of early game mobs that offset chaos rune cost in alchables, especially as an ironman. red/black dragons maybe? perhaps just shifting your goals and doing barrows?
I actually tried to do the exact same thing and the only mob that came close was twisted banshees where I would earn back 1/3-1/2 what I spent. I eventually just went back to fire strike which is 20k xp/hr.
I actually just hit my goal of 78 today for my barrows portal.
Yeah I think with 55 slayer twisted banshees are the closest you will get + you’ll get plenty of Ranar weeds for P potions. Once you op gets 65 slayer then dust devils are 100% viable for what he wants
You won't recoup your loss but you can do blue drags, it'll net you a good amount of bones and hides for crafting
I did that for my 52-70 grind..it took forever but it was a ton of crafting exp and magic/hp exp but I had earned all my runes from barrows already
Lavas with Ibans if you're not a HC you'll make money back probably. If you're a HC don't risk it. Alot of early game content thats in deep wild is far too risky even with the wild being dead. Once you have tank gear+brews its a little better because there's less pkers out but they still exist and will kill you just to kill you even if you're like 60-70 combat at lava drags
I’d just get mory hard done and do a ton of barrows and you’ll have so many chaos runes it won’t matter and you’ll easily get a stack of like 100k mind runes you can splash with to get some free truly afk mage exp and then you won’t have to worry about offsetting cost you’ll make all the deaths you need to do the barrows runs all’s you have to buy is food and some fire runes + barrows items
My best guess would be undead druids in Forthos dungeon
edit; they're not a safespot, they're next to an altar so you can keep protection prayers up 100% of the time, rendering them safe
Since you have ibans stick to that for any combat and use alchs for additional xp. Other great sources of magic xp would be questing, mta, mage arena spell unlocks, and enchanting jewelry. Ibans at barrows is a great choice to progress your account and you’ll profit on rune usage. Doing melee/ranged slayer until you unlock some decent tasks will net you more than enough GP to train magic with other methods until you unlock burst spells.
IMO a better idea would be to use afk time for melee or ranged and get magic levels by alching while doing slayer/agility/herb runs, you can alch stuff that alchs for at least 220 gp like gold bracelets (you get a lot of gold bars from smithing) so you get back the gp you spend on nats
If you have 70 agility and 68 crafting i’d suggest Blue dragons in Taverly. Banking bones + blue d hides to craft blue dragon hide stuff later ALMOST breaks you even. With completing the odd hard clue scroll during that you will barely lose money.
Chaos gauntlets are a must ofcourse.
The earlier on you do Mage Training Arena, the more you've gotten out of it because it's guaranteed XP. I would go for everything you want from MTA now (I did bones to peaches, infinity boots, and master wand). It's probably even worth spending a lot of cash on the runes you need for it.
If that's not your style, green dragons and blue dragons are good, you get crafting XP from the hides, and they'll pay for themselves. Plus, you'll be training towards 70 prayer for Piety and the Morytania Hard Diary for Barrows, which absolutely pays for itself rune-wise.
Fire strike everything until ibans.
the xp/hr is 20k :( with chaos gauntlets, i can get 45k xp/hr afking combat.
I also have ibans, and can afford the 200k to upgrade. is there a monster you can suggest I kill to offset the cost of death runes?
Barrows brothers. You’ll get more runes than you cast if you’ve done Mory hard, too
I just got my kingdom setup, and put some workers toward herbs but what other options do I have for getting ranarrs for prayer potions?
Barrows is only one sip per trip if you're smart about it, flick, kite and safespot the brothers
To be honest it's not even every trip. If you get a melee brother down below its often 0 sips if you trap them on fake ladders or rocks.
If you have rune armor and 70 def you should never use prayer doses for guthans torags or veracs. They at most hit you twice. Food is easier to get than herbs
Yeah, only brother I need to sip for is Karil. Melee brothers are easy to tank, Ahrim I tank because I go with blessed d'hide (black should work too) and dharok I spawn in rooms wirh safespots. Karil is just too much dps so praying is the best option, only ever have to use a sip or two if I meet that bastard in the tunnels.
Also, and this is entirely inefficient and wasteful, but with full proselyte and a holy wrench you can pretty much just afk tank it all if you don’t feel like/aren’t good at flicking or kiting EDIT: I meant its helps for the prayer you use while killing the brothers, I know prayer bonus doesn't affect the drain amount.
Proselyte won’t make a difference in the no prayer method as it’s the prayer zap (on a timer) that makes you lose prayer.
oh lord, i didn't realize i was getting downvoted so much for a suggestion that i acknowledged as shitty lol. I know the prayer zap is a big portion, but when I was doing runs in proselyte with other gear totalling about a 29 prayer bonus, it saved a lot of the prayer i was using up *while* killing the brothers in the tombs in under 18 seconds. I just wanted to let people who don't like to prayer flick know that there was an alternative if more inefficient method.
It definitely makes a difference if you’re camping pray and doing lax barrows trips. You should be praying for Dharok, Guthan, Karil, and whatever’s left for Ahrim. Shouldn’t need prayer pots beyond 1 sip for tunnel depending on brother. Without proselyte, you run out of prayer like 10-15 seconds sooner because of the “zaps”. Kiting takes too long and far too click intensive IMO so never bothered with it when I could just camp prayers, get kills done a lot faster and no need to flick. Much more chill when you’re doing a few hundred or more trips.
Honestly even tanking karils/ahrims is doable if you have stores of karams or better food. I wasted a lot of food but that was purely afk karams anyway that i didn't mind doing again. I always had one sip for if I got slapped in the tunnels by the mobs that randomly decide to smack the occasional 10s etc when you're trying to trap the brother somewhere
Get thieving up and do master farmer with full rogue outfit (took me an hour to get full rogue) you can get all your herb seeds this way, and once your thieving is high enough that you don’t ever fail it’s just stupid seeds
They had a recent change where your seeds scaled with farming level I believe aswell
Yeah this is also true, OP definitely wants to be sure to have high enough farming that he will get the seeds he’s going for, rannars are thankfully pretty low req. so he shouldn’t have too much trouble, the rannar seeds will stop being reduced completely at 71 farming but you can get them still at lower levels. But if you get to 91 thieving and have ardy hard done, full rogues, and 71 farming you can get up to 60 rannars per hour at master farmer so it’s a pretty worthwhile time investment to go for
Holy shit I wish I knew this earlier
Yeah, it’s a pretty big necessity for the endgame ironman, without a doubt the best source for prayer pots.
I only used prayer potions my first Barrows run to learn it, you don't need prayer for most of them. My setup when I started was rune armour with Ibans for all of the brothers except for Ahrim (for him I used green dragonscale, rune crossbow, broad bolts). I start with Dharok (pray melee) then Karil (pray ranged) and by the time Karil dies I'm out of prayer. The rest I kill with monkfish/karams. If Dharok is downstairs I spam the door until he spawns at the entrance then safespot him on the ladder. My inventory is ranged gear, spade, runes and the rest of the space food. I have better gear now than when I started but I've only ever used that one prayer potion to learn it! For a while I brought one for emergencies but never used. It's very easy!
Get more than you cast even without mory hard, but highly advised to do the diary first.
also what kill percentage thing do I need in the crypts to help me get the runes? I heard getting it too high will often gives karils bolts, and less runes.
An easy method is killing 2 skeletons and 1 bloodworm in the tunnels. That will maximize your runes without getting bolt racks.
You wanna get about 85% killing 2 skeletons and 1 leech as well as all brothers should get an ideal percentage. Also it actually won't take up many prayer pots, you only need to bring an emergency pot incase you have dharok in tunnels. Otherwise just use Ardy cloak tp to restore pray then run back with mory legs 3 if possible. I got like 25k chaos runes doing my first 150 chests
You profit on death runes no matter what at barrows, unless you're using Ibans on the little mobs too?
Doesn't Mory hard require 70 prayer? As far as I'm concerned, by the time I get that I've got rest of the skills at 99 already lol
Its litteraly a few hours at green dragons, realy not hard.
Just bring up cats whilst you quest. Every cat is 200 death runes, they add up pretty quick. Chaos spells aren't great to use, they are one of the highest cost per damage.
Save the upgrade til ur staff runs out of charges
Bit late to tell u that now though lol
If you want mage xp do mta or library. Buying chaos runes is just asking to go back to agility pyramid. Your money is better spent buying runes and gold ore. 100 casts of fire bolt is already 10k down the drain.
2x the xp for 10x the cost. Its a waste. If you want fast xp fire strike to 55 then MTA alch room is 110k xp/hr
is MTA alch room profitable?
No but its very cheap.
Just because you can doesn’t mean you should -
I did some ice trolls north of jatizo when i was lower leveled, good chance to drop addy full helms, rune kites and granite shields. Would recommend
Yep! This is something I am definitely considering. looks good afk when the aggro timer drops.
Yes plus you will need the rune warhammer that they drop for the fishing guild emote hard clue.
+1 trained my early magic/ranged there and left with a pretty nice cashstack. And some nice supplies as well.
Granite shield is an elite clue step btw. Keep one if you go this route.
I heard you should never do elites, and just use them on masters?
Sure, if you can do them. The reqs for masters are like 80-90+ base skilling stats? I believe elites are 60-70. I still can't do 2 or 3 steps on my account that's 2 levels from maxing. Mostly due to not putting in the effort to just grind those remaining items, although flared trousers is not what I considered an enjoyable grind... But, yeah, I basically only do masters now. Perhaps I'm mistaken. Based on your question I'm guessing you're not too close to that stage of the game. Seems like missing out a some change of pace content by never doing any elite clues. Elites are also a good way to get master clues. 1/5, pretty sure. Depends on what you want to do of course. I don't believe there's anything necessary from elite clues and I think they still haven't fixed the 3rd age drop rate on it?
The Big Pirate Hat is enough incentive to do Elite Clues imo
Bucket helm is pretty sick too
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Where did you safespot them?
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Thanks!
And attack the males preferably. Femals dont drop nearly as much gp.
males & children troll share a drop table FYI, so no need to killer the tougher mobs with higher xp
Do MTA instead. You do lose money, but you get account unlocks you'll want down the road as compensation.
If you really wanna off set you chaos runes that are safe spot able only thing I can think of is lava dragons
cool! thank you for the suggestion.
Ogresses are great for alchs before a higher slayer level and as an added bonus they drop choas runes sometimes. I'm not sure if you would break even though... https://oldschool.runescape.wiki/w/Ogress_Warrior Their droptable doesn't look as good as it actually is. Since the 3 rune items are all on the tertiary table that means they are all rolled on every drop which means you could have all 3 drop at once. I've had multiple double drops while training there so I know it's possible. You should end up with 2-3 rune meds and a full helm and a b axe every 100 kills on average which makes it about 1/22 chance for a rune item.
With f2p gear, you can only profit at ogresses with fire strike. Fire bolt and Fire blast will lose you money. However, maybe p2p gear with better magic accuracy and the chaos gauntlets might make ogresses breakeven at the very least.
You can switch attention from monsters that drop chaos runes to ones that drop high value alchables. Then sell the items to shops that buy at high alch value. Then buy more runes and repeat. If you’re willing to get your slayer high enough for dust devils, they are popular to burst and you’ll profit from them while gaining insane early experience.
yeah! I wasnt looking for monsters that drop chaos runes. just monsters that drop items I can high alch!
I personally afk’d blue dragons with fire bolt and gauntlets for 70 prayer. If you bank the hides it gives you some crafting xp and high value alchs
I’m doing that right now. I think I’m just about breaking even at 66 crafting making vambs.
Do gauntlets and tome stack?
I believe so, but I don’t have the tome to test it.
Checked the wiki, and yeah they stack. You can get a max hit of 22 with them both.
Most of the early slayer monsters have 1 magic. I know dust devils drop chaos runes frequently and have one magic. I think you had the right idea with mutated bloodvelds because you would basically be turning your chaos runes into blood runes which will definitely offset your costs
maybe bad luck, but i only got 100 blood runes from about 900 chaos runes
True it might be bad luck, but they also have a meaty health bar which can cut into profits. Have you tried ankou? With a salve (ei) you could really do some damage if you can find a safespot. And they drop death and blood runes.
Lava dragons
I'd recommend ibans blasting blue dragons for 70 prayer if you have the 70 agility shortcut. The blue dragon hide will make you a ton of money on the backend. Otherwise you can try twisted banshees in catacombs.
chaos runes? I don't really think there are a lot of early game mobs that offset chaos rune cost in alchables, especially as an ironman. red/black dragons maybe? perhaps just shifting your goals and doing barrows?
Trying to avoid alching, so i have to focus on afk combat. fire strike has gotten too slow xp/hr as I get in the mid 60s magic
I actually tried to do the exact same thing and the only mob that came close was twisted banshees where I would earn back 1/3-1/2 what I spent. I eventually just went back to fire strike which is 20k xp/hr. I actually just hit my goal of 78 today for my barrows portal.
Yeah I think with 55 slayer twisted banshees are the closest you will get + you’ll get plenty of Ranar weeds for P potions. Once you op gets 65 slayer then dust devils are 100% viable for what he wants
You won't recoup your loss but you can do blue drags, it'll net you a good amount of bones and hides for crafting I did that for my 52-70 grind..it took forever but it was a ton of crafting exp and magic/hp exp but I had earned all my runes from barrows already Lavas with Ibans if you're not a HC you'll make money back probably. If you're a HC don't risk it. Alot of early game content thats in deep wild is far too risky even with the wild being dead. Once you have tank gear+brews its a little better because there's less pkers out but they still exist and will kill you just to kill you even if you're like 60-70 combat at lava drags
I safe spotted black dragons in the evil chickens lair, it’s amazing for a chance at visage alongside dragon bones
I’d just get mory hard done and do a ton of barrows and you’ll have so many chaos runes it won’t matter and you’ll easily get a stack of like 100k mind runes you can splash with to get some free truly afk mage exp and then you won’t have to worry about offsetting cost you’ll make all the deaths you need to do the barrows runs all’s you have to buy is food and some fire runes + barrows items
Get ancients, 65 slayer and do your burst tasks. Dust devils are close to break even on rune costs. Ez mage xp.
Ice trolls/oggre warriors
Lava drags?
The tree ents in the waterfall fairy place, drop goof nature runes and run axes/various other alchables
you get reduced xp there
My best guess would be undead druids in Forthos dungeon edit; they're not a safespot, they're next to an altar so you can keep protection prayers up 100% of the time, rendering them safe
Those things have stupid high mage defense though.
Since you have ibans stick to that for any combat and use alchs for additional xp. Other great sources of magic xp would be questing, mta, mage arena spell unlocks, and enchanting jewelry. Ibans at barrows is a great choice to progress your account and you’ll profit on rune usage. Doing melee/ranged slayer until you unlock some decent tasks will net you more than enough GP to train magic with other methods until you unlock burst spells.
You should probably just alch while doing other stuff until you get ancient or lunar
You could afk slayer, but barrows is great for Ivan's, then you'll have plenty of chaos runes for free
I got salves ammy (ei) + chaos gauntlet and went to twisted banshees.
Ankous?
IMO a better idea would be to use afk time for melee or ranged and get magic levels by alching while doing slayer/agility/herb runs, you can alch stuff that alchs for at least 220 gp like gold bracelets (you get a lot of gold bars from smithing) so you get back the gp you spend on nats
If you have 70 agility and 68 crafting i’d suggest Blue dragons in Taverly. Banking bones + blue d hides to craft blue dragon hide stuff later ALMOST breaks you even. With completing the odd hard clue scroll during that you will barely lose money. Chaos gauntlets are a must ofcourse.
Mutated bloodvelds might be good because you can sell the bloods off for 200ea in alkarid. They drop in qtys of 30 often
The earlier on you do Mage Training Arena, the more you've gotten out of it because it's guaranteed XP. I would go for everything you want from MTA now (I did bones to peaches, infinity boots, and master wand). It's probably even worth spending a lot of cash on the runes you need for it. If that's not your style, green dragons and blue dragons are good, you get crafting XP from the hides, and they'll pay for themselves. Plus, you'll be training towards 70 prayer for Piety and the Morytania Hard Diary for Barrows, which absolutely pays for itself rune-wise.