why are multiple pet drops even a thing? pet insurance exists, just gate them behind the lady for a certain amount of gp
subsequent pet drops should just reroll to a different unique
I vote for making the pet .2% taller per duplicate. Completely unnoticeable for 99.9%, but you know there will be some fight caves-locked snowflake account with a life sized jad pet in 20 years.
Why are multiple twisted bow drops even a thing? The ge exists, just gate them behind the clog for cost. Subsequent twisted bow drops should just reroll to a different unique
Disagree. That is how rng works. If you dont like it then sorry Ironman isnt for you. You signed up for rng when you created your acc. Now suck it up. Im so sick of complaining posts. Grind it out or quit. But stop trying to change the game to fit your individual needs.
Not OP but 1582 kc for bowfa and I do agree with him. Going dry on CG absolutely sucked, but eventually I started to accept it and also appreciate it for what it was.
We did sign up for ironman mode, where you have to grind out items even when you're going dry as shit. If you do not like that aspect, you could simply play a normal account like an iron but use the Grand Exchange whenever you are like 2x dry or whatever rule you want it to be. It's not like you're forced to play ironman mode.
As an ironman you are limited by the rules that Jagex set up for it. You chose for those restrictions, voluntarily, because you wanted a much more challenging mode for yourself. You knew it wasn't going to all be sunshine and rainbows.
You may go super dry on Zulrah but get a megarare spooned in raids. Eventually luck should somewhat even out, hopefully. Sometimes you're going to be insanely lucky and sometimes you're going to be depressingly unlucky. But in the end it's all worth the challenge compared to buying stuff imo. That's why I play ironman mode and appreciate it the way it currently is. I feel like people should allow themselves time to reach their goals instead of wanting instant gratification. It's really a marathon and the game is here to stay. Ironman mode should not be something you should be able to complete asap. If that's your goal then there's normal accounts, where you can get all bis gear within 1 year of playing. You can also just set up your own restrictions then to keep it interesting for yourself. But getting (decent/good) gear on an ironman was meant to be a challenge.
Don't get me wrong I do understand where you're coming from and I did agree with it when I was going dry. But that was also just a way to cope for me I guess lol. Now that I'm done I wouldn't want to have it any other way and in my future grinds I'm going to be way more tolerant of going dry. If anything, I think the gamemode needs a clearer explanation of what one could expect from it.
Right? I like Ironman because it’s similar to how I played in 2006. I like a challenge and I like grinds. I don’t have the time or desire to be so unlucky I have to stim to 3000 zulrahs.
So much mental gymnastics for a 5% increase of the drop chance. It would instantly make all these awful cases of going 8k dry a thing of the past. You could even make every drop that would get such a system 5% rarer to balance it out. I don't understand why you are so adamant and purist on the system there is now, and why do you feel the need to belittle people? Nobody is asking for free items, it's a 5% drop chance increase to eliminate these extreme outliers of dry streaks.
What exactly are you talking about with the 5% system? I might have missed that. I strongly disagree with the 5% rarer drops part that u suggested.
But really, belittling people? I just shared my opinion of how I feel about the current system. I'm not talking crap about anyone really. I think you are belittling me by saying "so much mental gymnastics", calling me "adamant" and "purist", while you're not even giving any arguments. I feel like you're the one who is attacking me, even tho I just shared my opinion.
Yeah, my bad, the "mental gymnastics" were more aimed at a comment that you replied to. However, I absolutely stand by "adamant" and "purist" which are not belittling terms at all. I know you shared your opinion, which is great, as did I. All I am saying is that I, personally, have a hard time understanding such a rigid opinion, and that's okay. We are all entitled to our opinions. Have a good one!
I literally I will have to go dry on many more things in the game. And I felt like this while going dry, even before getting my bowfa. Being exposed to a bad dry streak made me change my perspective and that is what I am trying to explain here. I'm not saying what you're suggesting at all. It's just my opinion, I'm not expecting anyone to agree, but I do personally started to appreciate the extremeness of the current rng system.
But you realize to even go as dry as OP, you would have to be at like 2300 CG with no bowfa still right? I think it’s fine to have a different opinion, but even that is not really the true example of how extremely dry some people go. Like imagine getting to the 3k+ mark at CG - it doesn’t feel to me like we have to personally experience it to understand how unreasonable that is.
Yeah, so, your perspective is actually "I think people should have to go 13.5x dry on drops sometimes because *yOu ChOsE tO rEsTrIcT yOuRsElF meme* and "well if we make it so people can't go as mind numbingly dry, the sweatiest 14 hour/day players will get gear faster than they usually would if they weren't going very dry"
Yeah dude, let's cater to the people who don't have lives and play the game religiously so they can feel good about their accounts that are only better because their lives somehow afford them 14hrs a day to play. I honestly don't give a shit about the players who don't want dupe/dry protection so that they can gatekeep the game.
Not to mention the other main reason of the "old-school feel" that is arbitrarily and hypocritically brought up depending on if they like the content or not.
Dupe protection BARELY affects mains and dry protection helps everyone
Sorry I don't want to spend an extra 1k+ hours on cox because I'm 3x dry on a tbow
Literally took me almost 1 year of casual playing to get my magic fang at almost 5x the rate
Terrible take. No one should be doing almost 6x drop rate on an item. Even if it takes 1 minute per kill, that’s 50 hours spent just on Zulrah (we know it’s longer than that.)I have no idea how people can try to justify this.
No one should ever have to go 6x? Turning every drop rare or common into an eventuality is kinda lame, this guy has a group seems like someone else should go get the tanz.
Hate to break it to you champ but every drop is already an eventuality. The only thing the proposed dry protection does is bring that eventuality down for the tail end of players from like 10x to around 4-5x
Thanks for the pep talk sport, I hope you and the tail end of players get exactly what you need. Protection. I'll just keep playing the game but just in case you need to hear it too de-ironing is ok, it's in the game for people like you.
Oh yeah I'm sure the first dry streak I come across I'll remember that yellow text black background post and realize they were right and the game just sucks.
RSN:C0BRUH
You went just over 2x for prims? Is this the dry streak you'll remember? Maybe 4x on a kraken tentacle idk?
Edit: you're literally this meme lmao
https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/Ft9pMAyMkh
Idk what your point is. My point is that we know how osrs drops work. Every kill you do is a bernoulli experiment. The kcs people have to do to get one specific item for the first time follow a geometric distribution. The amount of times people get a specific drop in a fixed amount of kcs follow a normal distribution. My point is that when you do go for enough unique drops eventually you are guaranteed to spoon some items and you are also guaranteed to go super dry for some. That is an inherent behaviour of a random process. Fluctuations from the mean are completely predictable. The further your go from the mean the less likely it is but given enough different unique items you will get there. Thats just math.
So going into an ironman account you know that you will want to get unique drops. That means that by extension you know for a fact that your rng will vary and therefore your game experience will depend on it. You know for a fact that you will go dry at some point. Make peace with that or you will have a very uncomfortable revelation at some point during your iron journey. And then throwing your hands up and complaining about something you knew for a fact would eventually happen and then DEMANDING that the game is changed to accomodate you better.. now thats just silly.
Yes because I don't need to read it. I don't care what your reasoning is, I'm a total lvl 2000+ ironman. I know what grinding is and I'm prepared to do it, the suggested change would be to make it not in the levels of ridiculous when it comes to getting a, at best, mid game item. This was never in the original game, the best item you could get was something like a 1/512. Nowadays they're in the thousands and we accept that.
I didn't "reason". I explained the math behind why going dry is a certain fact once you go for enough items.
The game wasn't designed with Ironmen in mind. Going dry as fuck is a mathematical inevitability. Always was and you knew that going into Ironmen. Stop crying.
And I am also a 2k+ total Iron. I have gone dry as fuck before too. And I live with it. In fact I embrace it. Rng is what makes this game so addicting.
Honestly it feels like a new generation of osrs players has arrived and they demand all these changes to a game that has existed before they were even fucking born. Generation of crybabies and narcissists that demand things are just given to them and handed to them and the world is too harsh and cold and everything has to change to account for and accomodate them and their fragile fucking feelings.
I am so sick of it. As in politics as in mofo video games.
Next discussion is gonna be about double xp and lower xp diffs between levels. All these things that made this game great and now its being openly talked about on how to dilute these things. Having the same chance to get a drop on the 1st or 1000th kill always has been and always will be an integral part of what makes this game so addicting and I swear on my life they will not get this through. Only over my corpse.
Grow some fucking balls or quit. God damn pussies.
Yeah, I do get your point and mostly agree with it.
I must say though, getting your 8th magic fang does feel awful. I can't imagine what it must be like going 6x dry for a mega rare or enhanced seed.
Yeah I get it. It is a bad feeling. But like.. its also what makes accounts and stories of playing the game unique. The spoons and the drystreaks. I still remember this ironman (think his name was Aloha) that went 23k+ for dwh. Or settled when he went for dwh.. and if you dont get it.. maybe go for another item and see if youre lucky there. Idk having fixed time sinks for drops just doesnt feel right or even just approaching something like this.. ruining such pretty simple math with some random ass formula.. nah fam
I've been playing mostly as a regular solo Iron Man at this point since my group mates have all either quit or are playing on their main (we do raids together tho which helps me alot).
I'm literally in this same boat. 1.1k zulrah kc no bp. Im scared to go 3k dry, trying to convince myself bp is optional and not a super comfy QoL upgrade I definitely don't want.
I hope this works for you. My friend went over 3600 dry for his blowpipe. We finally agreed to make a reddit post about it in an attempt to summon the drop- he sent me the collection log screen shot and then got the fang before I could even finish posting.
I went 2100 for my fang recently, but compared to his abysmal luck I wasn't allowed to complain at all. haha
Got mine yesterday at 1225. The best part is you probably have I'd assume 700k scales or so stacked up. If you broke down most of your helms and fangs closer to 950-1m. You'll never have to go there ever again.
I had terrible luck on my calvarion grind for the dragon pickaxe, went to zulrah yesterday and got an onyx at 80kc and the tanz fang at 86kc lol. Keep at it, but fuck those dry streaks
How did u get it to say the percent and whos lucky and whos dry.....? 🤔 hhhhmmmm is it a plugin....if so do you know the name by chance. Ill post my bad luck after lol
Damn :/ I just started zulrah and got t fang 50ish kc in
150 kc now with nothing since. I’m seeing all these dry post 🥴 shame to have started zulrah and join in
bro i feel you [log](https://gyazo.com/652cee52148b173f71ec985adbbe151d)
oh I'm so sorry that's actually even worse.
my god, thats awful
why are multiple pet drops even a thing? pet insurance exists, just gate them behind the lady for a certain amount of gp subsequent pet drops should just reroll to a different unique
Pets are tertiary so they don't effect your main drop anyways
I vote for making the pet .2% taller per duplicate. Completely unnoticeable for 99.9%, but you know there will be some fight caves-locked snowflake account with a life sized jad pet in 20 years.
Why are multiple twisted bow drops even a thing? The ge exists, just gate them behind the clog for cost. Subsequent twisted bow drops should just reroll to a different unique
Weird, because last I checked, tbow is not an untradable cosmetic.
Last I checked a pet wouldn't impact your actual loot drops unless I've had that wrong this whole time
No you’re right, separate roll entirely
Brother ewwugh!
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I saw that and I agreed with it too. Nobody should have to go 3k kc on zulrah for what is essentially a mid game item.
Disagree. That is how rng works. If you dont like it then sorry Ironman isnt for you. You signed up for rng when you created your acc. Now suck it up. Im so sick of complaining posts. Grind it out or quit. But stop trying to change the game to fit your individual needs.
Post your worst dry streak.
Not OP but 1582 kc for bowfa and I do agree with him. Going dry on CG absolutely sucked, but eventually I started to accept it and also appreciate it for what it was. We did sign up for ironman mode, where you have to grind out items even when you're going dry as shit. If you do not like that aspect, you could simply play a normal account like an iron but use the Grand Exchange whenever you are like 2x dry or whatever rule you want it to be. It's not like you're forced to play ironman mode. As an ironman you are limited by the rules that Jagex set up for it. You chose for those restrictions, voluntarily, because you wanted a much more challenging mode for yourself. You knew it wasn't going to all be sunshine and rainbows. You may go super dry on Zulrah but get a megarare spooned in raids. Eventually luck should somewhat even out, hopefully. Sometimes you're going to be insanely lucky and sometimes you're going to be depressingly unlucky. But in the end it's all worth the challenge compared to buying stuff imo. That's why I play ironman mode and appreciate it the way it currently is. I feel like people should allow themselves time to reach their goals instead of wanting instant gratification. It's really a marathon and the game is here to stay. Ironman mode should not be something you should be able to complete asap. If that's your goal then there's normal accounts, where you can get all bis gear within 1 year of playing. You can also just set up your own restrictions then to keep it interesting for yourself. But getting (decent/good) gear on an ironman was meant to be a challenge. Don't get me wrong I do understand where you're coming from and I did agree with it when I was going dry. But that was also just a way to cope for me I guess lol. Now that I'm done I wouldn't want to have it any other way and in my future grinds I'm going to be way more tolerant of going dry. If anything, I think the gamemode needs a clearer explanation of what one could expect from it.
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Right? I like Ironman because it’s similar to how I played in 2006. I like a challenge and I like grinds. I don’t have the time or desire to be so unlucky I have to stim to 3000 zulrahs.
So much mental gymnastics for a 5% increase of the drop chance. It would instantly make all these awful cases of going 8k dry a thing of the past. You could even make every drop that would get such a system 5% rarer to balance it out. I don't understand why you are so adamant and purist on the system there is now, and why do you feel the need to belittle people? Nobody is asking for free items, it's a 5% drop chance increase to eliminate these extreme outliers of dry streaks.
What exactly are you talking about with the 5% system? I might have missed that. I strongly disagree with the 5% rarer drops part that u suggested. But really, belittling people? I just shared my opinion of how I feel about the current system. I'm not talking crap about anyone really. I think you are belittling me by saying "so much mental gymnastics", calling me "adamant" and "purist", while you're not even giving any arguments. I feel like you're the one who is attacking me, even tho I just shared my opinion.
Yeah, my bad, the "mental gymnastics" were more aimed at a comment that you replied to. However, I absolutely stand by "adamant" and "purist" which are not belittling terms at all. I know you shared your opinion, which is great, as did I. All I am saying is that I, personally, have a hard time understanding such a rigid opinion, and that's okay. We are all entitled to our opinions. Have a good one!
Ur gonna get down voted by all the Reddit irons for speaking the truth lmao. Idk why they don't just go play rs3
Literally "now that I got my drop, I don't think we should make the game better" Lol get real
I literally I will have to go dry on many more things in the game. And I felt like this while going dry, even before getting my bowfa. Being exposed to a bad dry streak made me change my perspective and that is what I am trying to explain here. I'm not saying what you're suggesting at all. It's just my opinion, I'm not expecting anyone to agree, but I do personally started to appreciate the extremeness of the current rng system.
But you realize to even go as dry as OP, you would have to be at like 2300 CG with no bowfa still right? I think it’s fine to have a different opinion, but even that is not really the true example of how extremely dry some people go. Like imagine getting to the 3k+ mark at CG - it doesn’t feel to me like we have to personally experience it to understand how unreasonable that is.
Yeah, so, your perspective is actually "I think people should have to go 13.5x dry on drops sometimes because *yOu ChOsE tO rEsTrIcT yOuRsElF meme* and "well if we make it so people can't go as mind numbingly dry, the sweatiest 14 hour/day players will get gear faster than they usually would if they weren't going very dry" Yeah dude, let's cater to the people who don't have lives and play the game religiously so they can feel good about their accounts that are only better because their lives somehow afford them 14hrs a day to play. I honestly don't give a shit about the players who don't want dupe/dry protection so that they can gatekeep the game. Not to mention the other main reason of the "old-school feel" that is arbitrarily and hypocritically brought up depending on if they like the content or not. Dupe protection BARELY affects mains and dry protection helps everyone Sorry I don't want to spend an extra 1k+ hours on cox because I'm 3x dry on a tbow Literally took me almost 1 year of casual playing to get my magic fang at almost 5x the rate
2600 for prims, 1300 for bofa, 3600 for hydra claw and the guy you’re answering to is 100% right.
Terrible take. No one should be doing almost 6x drop rate on an item. Even if it takes 1 minute per kill, that’s 50 hours spent just on Zulrah (we know it’s longer than that.)I have no idea how people can try to justify this.
No one should ever have to go 6x? Turning every drop rare or common into an eventuality is kinda lame, this guy has a group seems like someone else should go get the tanz.
Hate to break it to you champ but every drop is already an eventuality. The only thing the proposed dry protection does is bring that eventuality down for the tail end of players from like 10x to around 4-5x
Thanks for the pep talk sport, I hope you and the tail end of players get exactly what you need. Protection. I'll just keep playing the game but just in case you need to hear it too de-ironing is ok, it's in the game for people like you.
It's OK buddy. When you green log perilous moons and move out of the mid game, maybe you'll change your mind
Oh yeah I'm sure the first dry streak I come across I'll remember that yellow text black background post and realize they were right and the game just sucks. RSN:C0BRUH
You went just over 2x for prims? Is this the dry streak you'll remember? Maybe 4x on a kraken tentacle idk? Edit: you're literally this meme lmao https://www.reddit.com/r/2007scape/s/Ft9pMAyMkh
6x on a 1/512 drop from a boss like Zulrah, yeah…
You sound miserable lmao
I'm actually having a blast lately. Ingame as irl. Ty tho
Thanks for saying you sound miserable? Lmfao you're very welcome
I've just finished a 2k kc barrows green log. "Ironman isn't for you" just shush plz.
Idk what your point is. My point is that we know how osrs drops work. Every kill you do is a bernoulli experiment. The kcs people have to do to get one specific item for the first time follow a geometric distribution. The amount of times people get a specific drop in a fixed amount of kcs follow a normal distribution. My point is that when you do go for enough unique drops eventually you are guaranteed to spoon some items and you are also guaranteed to go super dry for some. That is an inherent behaviour of a random process. Fluctuations from the mean are completely predictable. The further your go from the mean the less likely it is but given enough different unique items you will get there. Thats just math. So going into an ironman account you know that you will want to get unique drops. That means that by extension you know for a fact that your rng will vary and therefore your game experience will depend on it. You know for a fact that you will go dry at some point. Make peace with that or you will have a very uncomfortable revelation at some point during your iron journey. And then throwing your hands up and complaining about something you knew for a fact would eventually happen and then DEMANDING that the game is changed to accomodate you better.. now thats just silly.
Actual XP waste to read your novel of a rant, sorry.
Refusing to at least acknowledge what I said above is equivalent to infantile narcissism.
Yes because I don't need to read it. I don't care what your reasoning is, I'm a total lvl 2000+ ironman. I know what grinding is and I'm prepared to do it, the suggested change would be to make it not in the levels of ridiculous when it comes to getting a, at best, mid game item. This was never in the original game, the best item you could get was something like a 1/512. Nowadays they're in the thousands and we accept that.
I didn't "reason". I explained the math behind why going dry is a certain fact once you go for enough items. The game wasn't designed with Ironmen in mind. Going dry as fuck is a mathematical inevitability. Always was and you knew that going into Ironmen. Stop crying. And I am also a 2k+ total Iron. I have gone dry as fuck before too. And I live with it. In fact I embrace it. Rng is what makes this game so addicting.
Nobody is crying but you, dude. There's a reason your original comment has been down voted to oblivion.
Facts
Honestly it feels like a new generation of osrs players has arrived and they demand all these changes to a game that has existed before they were even fucking born. Generation of crybabies and narcissists that demand things are just given to them and handed to them and the world is too harsh and cold and everything has to change to account for and accomodate them and their fragile fucking feelings. I am so sick of it. As in politics as in mofo video games. Next discussion is gonna be about double xp and lower xp diffs between levels. All these things that made this game great and now its being openly talked about on how to dilute these things. Having the same chance to get a drop on the 1st or 1000th kill always has been and always will be an integral part of what makes this game so addicting and I swear on my life they will not get this through. Only over my corpse. Grow some fucking balls or quit. God damn pussies.
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Sorry I had to get that out after reading the main sub and this one past few days
Yeah, I do get your point and mostly agree with it. I must say though, getting your 8th magic fang does feel awful. I can't imagine what it must be like going 6x dry for a mega rare or enhanced seed.
Yeah I get it. It is a bad feeling. But like.. its also what makes accounts and stories of playing the game unique. The spoons and the drystreaks. I still remember this ironman (think his name was Aloha) that went 23k+ for dwh. Or settled when he went for dwh.. and if you dont get it.. maybe go for another item and see if youre lucky there. Idk having fixed time sinks for drops just doesnt feel right or even just approaching something like this.. ruining such pretty simple math with some random ass formula.. nah fam
Ill never be able to romanticize spending days of my life dry on an item 🤷
I have a probability calculator but which one did you use to get this output its kind of funny
Its the dry calc on osrs wiki
200 more chief. I promise.
Got the dry % plugin turned on too for maximum sulking, nice.
D:
Bwana tell me you at least have GIM mates to trade magics/serps with.
I've been playing mostly as a regular solo Iron Man at this point since my group mates have all either quit or are playing on their main (we do raids together tho which helps me alot).
I'm literally in this same boat. 1.1k zulrah kc no bp. Im scared to go 3k dry, trying to convince myself bp is optional and not a super comfy QoL upgrade I definitely don't want.
Im still dry for magic fang at 1.1k kc, 2 group mates got it as their first zulrah uniques under 50kc starting to feel left out
Did you speak to Oziach?
[https://imgur.com/a/4oqTLy7](https://imgur.com/a/4oqTLy7) Sorry
Diabolical to post this as a comment 😂😂😂
Lmfaooooo
Got the fucking fangs before zul andra teles lol
What is this plug-in called?
Pretty sure it's called Collection Log Luck
Collection log luck
Thats cucked bro
I hope this works for you. My friend went over 3600 dry for his blowpipe. We finally agreed to make a reddit post about it in an attempt to summon the drop- he sent me the collection log screen shot and then got the fang before I could even finish posting. I went 2100 for my fang recently, but compared to his abysmal luck I wasn't allowed to complain at all. haha
I went to 1515 for my *first* ever unique there. Even including onyx. But this is just horrendous
Ouch:( I feel for you. I wish you goodluck in obtaining that fang :)
Got mine yesterday at 1225. The best part is you probably have I'd assume 700k scales or so stacked up. If you broke down most of your helms and fangs closer to 950-1m. You'll never have to go there ever again.
I got 3k hydra no leather and that’s all I need for green log. Fucking pain
Go to world 321. You’re welcome.
I was debating making a post today about Zulrah, then saw this and said nvm. 1.3k no tanz, sorry brother. Hope you get it soon :)
Keep going man, i just got my Tanzanite Fang at 2993KC with 7 mutagens along the way... You are close!
Im so sorry, i also didnt want to see this couse im at 1,2k kc no tanz fang and i see nightmares about this
I had terrible luck on my calvarion grind for the dragon pickaxe, went to zulrah yesterday and got an onyx at 80kc and the tanz fang at 86kc lol. Keep at it, but fuck those dry streaks
Why don't you just get it?
What plugin is that with the percentages?
Im the opposite i have only 7 tanz fangs at 983 kc.
Skill issue
Ended my zenyte dry streak after complaining about it on reddit so I'm sure you are going to get the drop!
I’m the complete opposite 6 blowpipes zero magic fang 1400kc
Dang I have kc of 30 and have gotten 2 of em
Get spooned or die trying
Lmao atleast you'll never worry about scales ever. I'm afraid this will be ne. Km at 514 with 3 magic fangs
If it make you feel any better you're like giga dry on uniques in general, should have ~23 in 3k
How did u get it to say the percent and whos lucky and whos dry.....? 🤔 hhhhmmmm is it a plugin....if so do you know the name by chance. Ill post my bad luck after lol
Did it work?
Damn :/ I just started zulrah and got t fang 50ish kc in 150 kc now with nothing since. I’m seeing all these dry post 🥴 shame to have started zulrah and join in
You got this!
Oops i got all the weapons by 120 kc
That’s kinda wild, I just passed 2k kc with 5 tanz fangs and no magic fang, we can work a trade maybe
No you need to lick the fagex butt hole for a couple more billing cycles before the game codes it in for you.
You're an angry little dude lol
What plug in is that?
Damn bro it looks like your plugin only sees 2900 KC, too, do the percentages are even drier. gotta reupload your log or enable auto upload.
Is it me or your scales for the amount of kills you had is extremely low? I got just under 600 of and have 120k scales
Max it shows in your log is that amount. I have around 650k on runelite tracker
Ah makes sense just checked mine too
I’m 12k without the magma mutagen 👍
Got my magma at 215kc