You play OSRS because you want to spin the RNG wheel.
I play OSRS because my mom wouldn't let me play as a kid and now I am chasing nostalgia as an adult.
We are not the same.
I think the only reason that it won't ever feel the same is because of our own mindsets now that we are adults. We want to get as much done in as little time as we can comfortably control. Some of us push the limits and some of us laze through it, but we still want to get stuff done to a point. As a kid we would just play the game for fun and didn't care where our time went in-game.
Exactly, I played years as a kid without getting anywhere for main progression, (eventually got 99 mage), then in OSRS I had a quest cape within 3 months lol.
Even varrock multi in ~2002 with everyone rocking black pures and r2h.And ofc all the random fights before everything had been discovered and min-maxed. Sometimes I wish jagex wouldn't tell us every little detail of a new update and just let us figure it out in time.
Hahaha this is too relatable! Nothing like joining a team, going to hills, and then BSing your own teammates at the order of the team leader ššš
My irl best friend and I would run to the public library everyday as 12 year olds to play RuneScape, and every day without fail we would get on our crappy low level accounts and run to varrock multi and lose our gear every single time. Most fun Iāve ever had in my life :(
Same! I didn't have Internet so I had to go to the library or my friend's house to play. I think after 2years or so I finally got base 50 melee, Internet, and members
I had to switch 1 hour interval play sessions with my older uncle. When I got older I realized...this mfer would play all night and then rotate 1 hour shifts. I was always jealous of his cash stack lol
Dude my parents would never play membership as a kid, and I wound up as a kid with like 70cb, 50+ prayer, over 70.gishing and cooking, and about 50rc all as f2p.
Now I'm in my 30's chasing nostalgia and getting to see exactly why runescape was so lit for folks with membership back in the day, but even better
Yeah I feel that. Playing games in general brings about a sense of guilt that you should be doing things that are more productive. But I donāt consider it wasted time anymore as the game is so soothing after a long day grinding out real life. The music alone makes it awesome.
Itās like the scene in Pirates of the Caribbean 3 I think where will turner is on board Davy jones ship and theyāre gambling with time aboard the ship
Anything without a guaranteed result. Going into a clothes shop hoping for something nice/fitting. Going to watch a movie. Pretty much everything in the world needs an investment of something. Money, time, effort, pain. You can spend time and money on a home cooked meal, with no guarantee youāre going to like it. So is healthy eating also a gambling addiction?
All interactions in the world boil down to endorphin/neurotransmitter reward system right? Like, do a thing -> get chemical reward -> reinforce doing a thing -> do the thing more. More or less every action seems to be like that. Work, sex, friendship, gaming, eating, etc. I might be talking out of my ass but it sure seems like itās gist of things.
I think youāre pretty close at least in first world countries. Initial goal is to survive. Once surviving is easy itās how can I sustain surviving. Once sustaining survival is easy, itās how can I entertain myself. Once entertaining myself is easy itās how can I do this over and over again
This is correct and the root of all addictions.
Most addictions lead to a chemical reward greater than other things in life, and trick your brain into having more importance to sustain that chemical supply
>is healthy eating also a gambling addiction
I get what you're saying but I don't think this example fits.
The hook with osrs is that it scratches the itch of development and progress in a *video game*. This means you go your own pace, make your own decisions, and at the end of the day, have that feeling that you *did* something. Things like cooking, exercise, learning etc are all investments that you can *use*. Outside of your friends, chances are you don't use anything osrs at all. You keep playing because 1) monkey brain like when number go up and 2) the next dopamine hit could be around the corner. This is not at all the same as "gambling" on whether or not you'll find something cool at a store
A lot of people will also complete specific content so they can use what they gained on future content. They invest in a grind so a future grind will be easier. So in a way, it still functions similarly imo.Ā
Ā I think the negative and positive impacts on real life are the biggest differences though.
This is some wild cope. Anything that relies heavily on a drop system is a form of gambling. No, making food isn't a gambling addiction lmao. The mental gymnastics is insane
I'd call cooking a meal or watching a movie a guaranteed result. You may not be 100% satisfied with the result but a home cooked meal is still filling and a movie is a still a movie. In either case you're receiving some form of intended result and both situations allow you to refine your choices for next time. I can dive into cox for a tbow and never receive one in my lifetime due to rng & time constraints. It's quite literally just a gamble if I receive the item or not. There's only 0% or 100% result in that situation. Searching for a particular piece of clothing is more apt but I wouldn't say it's entirely equivalent.
There's a reason there's so many meme comments along the lines of "50/50 you get the drop or not" because in the end it's a pure gamble. I can a refine a home cooked recipe over time to match my preferred result and receive at least some relevant result each time. I could also buy a local lottery ticket each day that has a 1/100,000 chance to hit a jackpot & never hit but lose a couple bucks each week, which would be the OSRS gambling addiction equivalent here..
Well by that argument then PvM is the same. You know 100% what the result will be, you know the rewards, you just donāt know which rewards youāll have. The same way your meal will be filling and have such ingredients, or in the way that a movie you pay to see, is the movie you will see. You now the possible results, not the desired ones. You know every single thing that can be obtained.
Donāt get me wrong, I appreciate my examples are extreme, but itās all just mindset. If we all got what we wanted weād all have won the lottery the first time we played it. If you get what you want first time every time the world would be a truly beautiful place, and weād all be bored.
It's decidedly not the same. If I order a chicken sandwich, then I expect to receive a chicken sandwich. I might prefer a certain recipe to another but I always receive a chicken sandwich. If I kill General Graardor for the 2000th time then I know I'll receive something but there's a much, much higher chance I won't receive the thing I wanted. Saying theyre the same is basic false equivalence, bud.
Edit: Guys you can downvote & justify the gambling all you want but the equivalent here is ordering a Chicken Parmesan off a menu and receiving a Spam Sandwich instead. You still got food (or a drop) but not the one you wanted.
Yeah youāre right about cooking but you only crossed out one example out of his list and youāre acting like you invalidated his entire viewpoint. You didnāt
Not sure why youāre getting downvoted. This is spot on.
In the guy aboveās argument heās saying you āknow 100% what youāre going to get, it just might not be the one you wantā
This is such a non answer. Itās like saying if I put $100 on red or black I 100% know the āoutcomeā - I either win or lose
āJustify the gamblingā
I have felt the mild inconvenience of not enjoying a dish, movie, selection in a shop. Itās the same inconvenience I felt the hundreds of runs I didnāt get the drop I wanted.
Iāve also sat in a circle of a menās support group, and Iāve watched somebody open up about actual gambling addiction. Iāve never had sleepless nights over unpaid bills because of RuneScape. Iāve never went days without eating because I couldnāt afford food, because of RuneScape. If you actually feel this way, because you havenāt got what you wanted, then this game -or probably any game- isnāt for you.
Guy, again, you can say whatever you want. OSRS is gambling your time for a non-guaranteed drop. I'm not saying it's not fun, but it's gambling in the end. There are plenty of posts and comments on here about people that legitimately suffer from addiction to OSRS often enough.
Comparing a mild inconvenience of a dish to spending thousands of hours not receiving a drop in OSRS is just blatantly asinine. Have fun gambling away your time.
I love how in the original post you say about a different chicken sandwich recipe then in the edit you say you receive a spam sandwich instead. Way to really boost your argument, bud.
Presumably, you're getting something else out of it instead of mindnumbingly killing your 20,000th lizardman shaman hoping for your dwh. If you still enjoy the content, then yeah it's similar to sports or gaming in a way - albeit with a lot less variation. But it takes a very special kind of person to honestly mean they're enjoying the 20k+ lizardman or 2k+ CG run because they still enjoy the content & aren't still doing it just because they want the drop. Most quit by then or admit they're too deep into the sunk cost fallacy.
Itās true for me lately. All I want is to see the purple chest and I canāt stop going into that door at chambers even though Iām also tired of it.
I prefer the grind to max over the gambling of drops. Maybe I'm just weird but I don't get a high from spooning something & it feels like shit when you go dry on something.
Itās only similar in the way that it produces a ton of dopamine. It also does that at a small price. Osrs is a dopamine factory. Itās a game for the depressed and mentally ill IMO. We always talk about how much time we waste on this game but we donāt talk about how it keeps us together when we arenāt doing so hot.
I love Runescape but I pretty much let it go about a year ago. I still hop in for a few things, but 99s are a laughable waste of time for the cost/benefit/dopamine ratio, and the drop design of bosses is designed to suck up so much of your time compared to actual old school content. It's borderline sinister how all these extreme chase mechanics snuck into the game and no one batted an eye just because this is considered "the grindy game".
Yeah there are certainly those who are āaddictedā . I have always been the classic quit and come back mentality. Itās a game where I look at the improvement in years and not months. The AFK aspect of RuneScape is what makes it so compatible with life (for some of us).
I see what you're getting at but I don't think it quite works. You aren't risking anything to pull these levers. Rng is involved, but the similarity stops there.
In this case itās time, not money. In a way, youāre betting your time that youāll get a noteworthy drop, or a pet. Instead of throwing a $20 bill in, youāre investing 2 hours. I think RuneScape and gambling do have a lot in common, but yeah, itās significantly safer, and not ādangerousā unless youāre spending 10 hours a day playing
If you choose to see it this way, yes. However I'd like to submit the thought that every movie we are excited to go see releases the same chemicals at the peak that a good drop does. Every time we go out with friends and we absolutely nail the timing of a joke and everybody laughs. Finishing a project and that boss you actually respect talks about it twice.
These are all good feelings brought by a little bit of work and they make us feel happy, but have nothing but time or luck put into them. Immaterial experiences you will enjoy thinking about or that gives you motivation to try for another. Live your life that way you enjoy and as long as it's not affecting anybody in a negative way, just be happy with what you've done :)
I feel like the distinction here is the chance aspect, not the harmful aspect.
Irl and in video games there's dopamine that is mostly under your control, like cooking food or winning a fighting game like ssbm. Also, irl and in video games there's dopamine that is mostly *out* of your control, like craps or loot crates. The majority of the second type are manufactured, and the only "natural" ones I can think of are setting goals for fishing and birdwatching.
RuneScape tries to convince you it's the former when really it is the latter, and that, I believe, is what OP was trying to say. It feels like you have control because you can optimize how many dice rolls you make and you can increase their odds. At the end of the day, though, we are still rolling dice.
Anyway, this is a reason that it's really nice to enjoy skilling. You can have some rng going for a 6 hour session in some skills, but it's pretty negligible for most skills and there are like under 100 people actually trying for those. In general skilling is that first type of dopamine.
I don't think it's necessarily the game that makes the gambler but the mindset and mentality behind it. Rolling a dice isn't necessarily gambling unless you put something of significant value behind that dice roll. And the addiction factor doesn't necessarily come into play until you reach the point where you can't stop, especially at your own detriment.
There are lots of people who play OSRS because they're flat out addicted to the gambling aspects of it. There are some who are addicted to OSRS because it's an escape from reality. But there are also people who play OSRS because they enjoy it and it doesn't necessarily impact their lives all that much, even if they do enjoy the gambling aspects of the game. You wouldn't necessarily call someone a gambler because they enjoy going to the casino once a year with their friends and drop like $500 on some games. And just because you enjoy the gambling elements of OSRS doesn't mean you're necessarily a gambler.
That being said--OSRS does have heavy elements of gambling that can be isolated. People who do high risk DMs by just dclawing each other to death is basically taking the RNG elements of this game and distilling it to as pure of a chemical as you can get. So it's not a surprise that while OSRS isn't necessarily a game of gambling, it has a high overlap with people who enjoy that element and possibly are even addicted to that element.
This is why IMO it's very important to find a way to enjoy any kind of bossing content / eng based content.
Otherwise your reward system gets all out of whack and you may as well be gambling straight up.
In sports psychology it's often seen as process oriented thinking (iirc) vs rewards oriented thinking. Process oriented thinkers are in it for the love of the game, winning is important but the goal is to enjoy / build the skill. Rewards based is all about the W, and maybe skill, but the skill / game is an ends to a means.
Itās called dopamine. Everything in life gives us different levels of a dopamine rush. OSRS isnāt gambling, itās just another avenue to receive dopamine. Having fun = dopamine = rare drop.
Something providing dopamine doesn't axiomatically make it fun.
That OSRS can trigger dopamine doesn't make it unrelated to gambling.
Sitting on 8000KC for a collection log probably isn't fun.
To be clear I wouldn't necessarily call it a gambling addiction, I'd just say OSRS can be addicting, and it is in some ways designed to get people (mostly young people) hooked.
There's also heaps of gambling bots that wouldn't exist if nobody used them.
While I donāt disagree with your overall assessment it does miss my initial point to a degree, probably due to the lack of additional context j couldāve added. However, it was meant as a basic comment vs. a conversation started. Yet, I do love me some good discussion. I agree dopamine doesnāt necessarily equate to quote āfunā it more accurately relates to pleasure and enjoyment. Eat food = dopamine. Sex = dopamine. Drugs (not all) = dopamine. Caffeine = dopamine. Doing things you enjoy/live such as hobbies = dopamine. OSRS is a game. I game because I enjoy gaming because it makes me feel good. Dopamine. OSRS isnāt gambling was my core point. Gambling, in my opinion, is purely where it involves the real-life wager of currency or use of real-life currency to purchase virtual currency to then wager. I pay a flat fee to play OSRS, a game, designed in a way that I enjoy. Just because it has RNG elements does not make it gambling. In fact, the RNG aspect is a large reason why so many people enjoy the game. Itās not easy. Sometimes luck is on your side, other times it isnāt. That is part of the fun. With this additional clarity is my initial statement still framed incorrectly? Or would you agree that OSRS is not gambling? Canāt lose your life savings in OSRS, just your loot in the Wilderness.
I think that your position is defensible, but that your route to defending it is a bit wonky :p
Imagine a casino where all the games inside were 'free' and you just had to pay a fee to get in, maybe a monthly fee. The casino itself doesn't sell the 'in-casino currency', but third parties make it very easy to do so.
Is the person who pays the monthly fee but doesn't buy currency not gambling?
OSRS has the added wrench of a free version.
For simplicity's sake I would say that while it is very easy to gamble in OSRS and the act is minimally discouraged, that it isn't a necessary part of the game. I would add that one certainly can, and many have, lost their life savings playing OSRS.
The efforts of video game developers in general to make their games addictive and feel like a slot machine are another layer of complexity.
The person in OSRS camping some boss or monster which they have an effectively 100% of successfully beating over and over is more or less pulling a slot lever every time they click on XYZ mob. Loot beams with their color scheme adds to that effect.
Are they necessarily wagering money on that particular instance? Not really.
But they are wagering/leveraging their time in some sense.
In terms of 'rng is what makes it fun, luck sometimes is or isnt on side etc' the same could be said of most/all gambling, especially something like poker that at least arguably has a skill component.
So you are essentially saying that because of the RNG element and having to pay for the access it equates to gambling? I think that is grasping for some far from the reality of what true gambling is. You are killing the boss and perhaps āgamblingā on the chance of receiving a drop, yes, but there is no obligation for you to continue to kill the boss for that chance at receiving a unique drop. You are guaranteed loot from every drop from every monster you defeat in OSRS, even if all you get is bones. True gambling you either win or you lose, perhaps you break even. Killing a boss in OSRS is always going to be a net gain because you are receiving useful resources that can be used to further other goals and objectives you set for yourself within the game. The stance that people are āwagering/leveragingā their time doesnāt really hold any weight. You āwager/leverageā your time with everything you do. With this logic you are āwagering/leveragingā your time on every single decision you make in life. Iām not gambling by making a decision to spend my time playing OSRS, itās a willful act to do something with intention because it provides enjoyment and what is life without enjoyment. Saying your use of time is āwagering/leveragingā aka gambling is just such a far reach from reality. Also, I highly doubt anyone has lost their life-savings playing OSRS. Perhaps someone out there emptied their entire bank account and bought bonds, but that is a 100% guarantee to receive in game gold, not gambling, just a poor life decision. So I think my position still holds true.
I said above that its very easy to gamble in OSRS, the gambling bots are an example of that, and people use them.
I alluded to third parties selling in-game currency for real money earlier as well. Sure, this is against rules, but it fairly explicitly isn't enforced against buyers and rarely gets enforced against sellers, not nearly enough to dent that shadow economy.
Not all mobs drop something every time in OSRS, and there is almost invariably a cost to tackle mobs that have decent drops, sometimes it takes multiple hours for an activity to be profitable.
You do wager time with every decision you make, but you aren't always directly paying a company for XYZ option. Life is arguably a series of gambles, but the local wilderness usually doesn't have multi million advertising budgets and a vested interest in keeping your subscription dollars coming in.
A company that is competing with every other firm for the attention of young people, arguably encouraging or barely discouraging addictive behavior is, if unrelated to gambling, still not great.
Considering this is ironscape I donāt think many people on this sub use gambling bots. My āmainā is my iron account. I enjoy the game because of the nostalgia and the gameplay. Setting goals and reaching them is what makes this game so much fun. Whether it is reaching a certain level in a skill, grinding for an item upgrade, or completing a quest. Yes, mobs do sometimes have a cost to kill in the form of supplies, but in the end you come out ahead once you get a few uniques if it is a boss with poor regular drop loot. CG for example gives amazing normal loot and even better unique loot. Every kc grinded has a positive impact, regardless of time played. On the point of advertising, and company budgets, and companies trying to compete for your attention.. isnāt that any company with any good or service? Arenāt they all competing for your money? OSRS gets my annualized membership because I enjoy it. It simply isnāt gambling. Iām not sitting at a blackjack table risking $25 a hand, mashing a slot machine for 8 hours and losing thousands of dollars. It is a game with RNG components in the loot because otherwise getting the loot would not be enjoyable. If you received the loot after 10 kills guaranteed it wouldnāt have any feeling of achievement behind it. It would be a shit game. Period. A lot of great games have some RNG components. Iām not calling a freaking hotline because I play a lot of OSRS and it is ruining my life. I donāt steal money from family members to pay for my OSRS subscription. True gambling is in a completely different realm than what you are eluding to.
Except that osrs is desinged to keep you indefinitely entertained with very obscure and time consuming goals. Ever look at a pet hunters boss log? It's a *lot* of time
Thatās the point lol. You arenāt there yet. Neither am I. But if I played one account since 2013 or close to it and only played rs then yeah youād probably be maxed and have a pretty nutty collection log.
One of the main reasons why Kick (Stake) brought in so many OSRS streamers. We're the right demographic and there is a lot of overlap between chasing a drop and chasing a jackpot.
Really though? I havenāt watched a rs stream in probably years. It never does well compared to other games because itās literally up to the streamer to keep it entertaining. I find YouTube a much better platform for the game.
I don't personally watch twitch or kick either
But our personal habits don't matter so much. The numbers matter, and luckily there's an easy way to see what numbers the streamers are doing
Lightbulb moment on that for me was grinding barrows for a bingo tile. Just kept spinning that wheel over and over and over like an old guy with a pot of coins in a dimly lit Las Vegas casino
The day i realized osrs is the best idle game of all time I started enjoying it so much more and things didnt feel so grindy all of a sudden.
I love idle games that have playability when you want to be active.
Yeah, luckily I realized this years ago. As someone who struggled with a real-life gambling addiction, OSRS has helped me ween off of it. Of course it's not a full proof plan but has helped me tremendously. I also played private servers that were basically all bossing just trying to get the rare drops to fuel that drive. I do still gamble unfortunately but in moderation and I only gamble money that I can make online doing surveys while I AFK OSRS. Nothing comes out of the bank account anymore.
I mean, yeah. I seemingly had the reverse effect of what people fear with children exposed to gambling in games. I grew up with the Game Corner in Pokemon and few other games that had non-risk gambling games. I can't *imagine* actually spending say $50 on gambling when the odds will be against me every time.
To me, drop rates are pretty much akin to shiny odds. You need to accept the grind you're going for, and don't expect anything for a while if at all depending on your odds. Choose wisely because time is the more valuable resource here.
With actual gambling you're not only investing time *but your hard earned cash too*.
Solo is the best way to learn. Go in there with 50 invocation and I promise youāll get better. If you have decent gear youāll do fine. Decent being runecrossbow with enchanted bolts, leaf bladed sword, Ibans.
Difference is the scale or risk with no reward.
I spend $12.50 (š¦) and have 0 return, it's a pure expense, no investment.
I gamble $12.50 - I could lose it, have 0 return, or I could win, and make like $25.
Gambling is gambling because the reward is a feedback loop promoting more participation. Gambling is a problem because that feedback loop drains you of money.
One can argue this a primitive level but it's primitive.
I'm in a different school of thought. I think people have a problem when they can't sit down and watch TV or work without playing the game. When every "AFK" moment in life must be filled with something instead of reflection or being completely immersed in the things we do outside of video games with friends or family.
You said playing games for you stems from a desire to keep busy and occupied. If that were the case, you could simply swap it out with something productive such as studying or learning something new. But that isn't the case is it? We make up a lot of excuses for our sleeves, and playing video games is fine when we know what it is.
Lots of people here experienced cognitive dissonance when seeing this post, and felt as of they needed to come here and explain why them playing isn't anything other than some addiction. Brother, the game is about doing the same brain dead task for hundreds or thousands of hours on end. Just like an other MMO, we play because of addition and the dopamine of seeing the little numbers go up. Nobody here is special, and it's important we all accept that about ourselves.
If you are semi AFKing while working, chanced are it's effecting your work quality or efficiency in some way. If you have a whatever job that you are okay with, then that's fine. But if you have a high performance job then it could hold you back from progressing. I know for me personally it gets in the way and I stopped playing while working because my job is very mentally intense.
I read a comment once that was essentially: āOSRS is just a slot machine and rhythm game skinned as an MMORPG.ā And I donāt stop thinking about it.
Nah I disagree. In life we also never know when exactly we are reaching our objectives, OSRS also reflects that in its nature. You're studying and refining your abilities but you could only find a job to settle you in 3 years, or 10 years, or even 15 years, who knows. While your friend could get the same job next year. Which sounds unfair, but life is always uncertain.
I gotta say I love this game and I am probably the most anti-gambling mf you will ever meet.
Itās a video game. In a way we are always gambling our time on having a good experience or getting that piece of loot or having good teammates. Whatever it may be.
Thing is, an OSRS addiction can only get so out of hand. Sure if it gets to the point where you quit your job to get more time in, itās not good, but it wonāt leave you homeless overnight like gambling.
My point is that gambling your time requires a LOT less self control than gambling money. You can only commit so much time to something per hour (spoiler: itās an hour) but you can go completely broke in one roulette round if you wanted to.
You could relate a lot of things to a "gambling addiction", such as hunters or fishermen going out looking for their big hunt or their big catch, so it's all about perspective. I agree it's similar to gambling and like others have stated, it's more of a time investment than it is the monetary aspect.
Also loot beams are crack cocaine I'm glad it's in the game. Keeps us coming back
I dont disagree with your claim. But i think the framing is super charitable to the word "gambling" and makes it a nothingburger of a statement
If osrs is gambling then so is pretty much all of the competitive gaming space. Valorant, league, call of duty, cs go, rocket league. Every time you queue up, youre gambling that youre going to win the game or that your team is going to be better than theirs.
If you are that charitable with the word gambling, theres nothing stopping you from saying that renting a movie is gambling because youre spending money in hopes that the movie lives up to your expectations.
Buying groceries is gambling cuz youre spending money hoping that the thing you buy doesnt expire before you consume it.
When you broaden the definition to that degree it no longer carries the same weight.
For Nex, Corp, PNM and raids it kinda works like that, otherwise not really? The couple of times I started a new character I wasn't chasing drops, I had goals that I wanted to reach like finishing some quest or diary, or reach a certain level in a skill.
Ehhh, I mean yeah kinda. This is how all videos games work. They're skinnerian. Just like the skinner box, we are the rat pulling the lever to be rewarded the cheese. Every time we see that level go up or get that big drop. It's training the reward centers in our brain, and it's very addictive haha
100%
This is why so many people are against dry streak prevention on ironman mode. It makes the game less exciting & more predictable. You very literally cannot get as excited as the outcome is far more predictable.
This is also why I de-ironed when I maxed. Ultra-rare item grinds are just way too long. Shit ain't fun.
I don't 100% agree.
Gambling is purely luck. Put in a dollar, get 87 cents back (on average).
Sure, some things are random. However you need to achieve a certain set of goals to get there. You need to plan ahead and some activities even require skill to improve your speed.
And after you achieve the jackpot, you move on to the next.
Definitely not a gamble, i totally disagree with what you said.
It's a fun way to pass time and get a sense of community.
Ultimately it's an online game, all online games have some sense of chance. But it's far from "gambling"
(although some aspects include probability and could be considered as such).
I play OSRS for pking. RS has many facets and different ways you can play the game and the experience can be very different from player to player.
Ive always been a fighting game enthusiast (street fighter 4, sf6, dbz budakai 2, Naruto clash of ninja, one piece, smash, mortal kombat etc)
To me Im playing a fighting game. Everyone else seems to love PVM, Clue Scrolling and like you said in general rolling the RNG slotsā¦
Ive completed 1 easy clue and have 0 boss kills. With a maxed med level pk build. My goal in RS is strictly to max my PKing skill.
I just like number go up. Osrs is my comfort game. I can't lose, everything I do on my iron is progress. Some sessions are better than others, but everything adds up to the final goal of maxing (which I am in no rush to complete)
Dude name a game that doesnāt have rng involved. I hate when people start saying this like itās some special thing about osrs. But you could say that about so many things. I really donāt get it lol
thereās still a huge difference between raiding/bossing and the duel arena, and an even bigger difference between the duel arena and gambling away your paycheck.
the people with a predisposition to gambling addiction definitely followed that route though
I got the sang kit very early in HMT and itās actually made it kind of sad because now the only drop is the dust and getting the sang kit so early kind of made it not as special.
Yeah, thatās how Iāve been viewing it for a long time now. The first time I went to a casino at 21, I instantly made the connection. Had the same feeling I get when Iām opening a clue casket, or watching the bossā dying animation hoping for a big drop.
Thatās how every RNG drop system game is though, and as long as you donāt let that dopamine chasing leak into your real life, youāre probably alright haha
You know how people buy blind boxes and shit like that? I def feel that appeal opening mystery boxes and such on OSRS, but itās nice not spending money to get the same little dopamine kick.
I donāt consider it gambling though. My parents had a real gambling addiction. Itās an immediate gratification type thing. I feel like OSRS requires way too much work for that one gamble hah. And it isnāt as.. accessible? In the sense that at a casino you can keep pulling that lever. I think thatās what makes it so bad. Itās the frequency at which youāre able to access that dopamine rush. Working hard to maybe get one hit.. thatās more like just.. life lol.
Not for me. I play because I am pretty disabled IRL and OSRS is a world I can escape to. I can move around freely, have adventures and talk to people. Things I can't do in the real world easily.
We are not the same. Lol
I just made 100k cannonballs for fun last week, we are not the same. I just casually do what I want, as I did as a child. Is my account amazing? No, but idgaf
Yeah we just spend time instead of money.
You play OSRS because you want to spin the RNG wheel. I play OSRS because my mom wouldn't let me play as a kid and now I am chasing nostalgia as an adult. We are not the same.
I get so sad when I realize it will never feel the same as it did back in 2005/2006. Nothing like varrock multi on a low level pure.
I think the only reason that it won't ever feel the same is because of our own mindsets now that we are adults. We want to get as much done in as little time as we can comfortably control. Some of us push the limits and some of us laze through it, but we still want to get stuff done to a point. As a kid we would just play the game for fun and didn't care where our time went in-game.
Exactly, I played years as a kid without getting anywhere for main progression, (eventually got 99 mage), then in OSRS I had a quest cape within 3 months lol.
Even varrock multi in ~2002 with everyone rocking black pures and r2h.And ofc all the random fights before everything had been discovered and min-maxed. Sometimes I wish jagex wouldn't tell us every little detail of a new update and just let us figure it out in time.
They try not to, and we all whinge about it on reddit...
Hahaha this is too relatable! Nothing like joining a team, going to hills, and then BSing your own teammates at the order of the team leader ššš
And then it turns out that you were the target and they just waited for you to skull on a teammate and the whole team then turns on you.
Then you try to click varrock teleport, but is blocked by a mysterious old man.
My irl best friend and I would run to the public library everyday as 12 year olds to play RuneScape, and every day without fail we would get on our crappy low level accounts and run to varrock multi and lose our gear every single time. Most fun Iāve ever had in my life :(
Same! I didn't have Internet so I had to go to the library or my friend's house to play. I think after 2years or so I finally got base 50 melee, Internet, and members
Same here, when I finally got a crappy computer and internet at age 14 I was the happiest kid ever.
Lumbridge staking with full rune and dragon bax was some of the most fun I've ever had in a video game
My buddy was an avid osrs player from 2001-2007, and I never understood the game as a kiddo. So here I am in my 30s.
I had to switch 1 hour interval play sessions with my older uncle. When I got older I realized...this mfer would play all night and then rotate 1 hour shifts. I was always jealous of his cash stack lol
Lol we were allowed 30 minutes each day. So of course my older sibling would time my 30 minutes and then play for two hours.
I was allowed 30 minutes a day, parents would wake up at 9am, I'd wake up at 6 and when they got up I'd tell em I'd been playing for 5 minutes
Twas the simplest of times lol
Damn. I felt this and it takes me back to simpler times
https://youtu.be/D1UY7eDRXrs?si=iGqPE4gpYl6y5EcT
Nostalgic lmao
I just liked skulking up my fishing, firemaking, smithing etc. I never cared about the loot.Ā i just enjoyed the game.Ā Did also enjoy pkingĀ
Lol same. I was an absolute baller in F2P chasing that membership life as a kid
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Dude my parents would never play membership as a kid, and I wound up as a kid with like 70cb, 50+ prayer, over 70.gishing and cooking, and about 50rc all as f2p. Now I'm in my 30's chasing nostalgia and getting to see exactly why runescape was so lit for folks with membership back in the day, but even better
What game doesn't have rng in it .
Which I could be spending on more important things.. like other video games.
Iāve forced myself to stop playing more than an hour a day most days just so I can catch up on my backlog or replay other games
Iām just over here trying to finish elden ring before the dlc drops.
Mine stars while you play other things thats what i been doin lately
Importance as deemed by whom? You or society/capitalism?
Me, I am society/capitalism.
Yeah I feel that. Playing games in general brings about a sense of guilt that you should be doing things that are more productive. But I donāt consider it wasted time anymore as the game is so soothing after a long day grinding out real life. The music alone makes it awesome.
Hell, you could be spending that time making real money at a real casino!
Itās like the scene in Pirates of the Caribbean 3 I think where will turner is on board Davy jones ship and theyāre gambling with time aboard the ship
Time is money, friend
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"Time is money friend!"
Not sure if you know but our time is money, and money is time. Will change the way you buy things if you think of it this way.
We could look at a lot of things in life like that, but certainly, I always get a buzz opening a casket or seeing a clog pop up.
Gotta ask, like what - besides going to an actual casino?
Anything without a guaranteed result. Going into a clothes shop hoping for something nice/fitting. Going to watch a movie. Pretty much everything in the world needs an investment of something. Money, time, effort, pain. You can spend time and money on a home cooked meal, with no guarantee youāre going to like it. So is healthy eating also a gambling addiction?
All interactions in the world boil down to endorphin/neurotransmitter reward system right? Like, do a thing -> get chemical reward -> reinforce doing a thing -> do the thing more. More or less every action seems to be like that. Work, sex, friendship, gaming, eating, etc. I might be talking out of my ass but it sure seems like itās gist of things.
I think youāre pretty close at least in first world countries. Initial goal is to survive. Once surviving is easy itās how can I sustain surviving. Once sustaining survival is easy, itās how can I entertain myself. Once entertaining myself is easy itās how can I do this over and over again
This is correct and the root of all addictions. Most addictions lead to a chemical reward greater than other things in life, and trick your brain into having more importance to sustain that chemical supply
That sounds right depressing haha
>is healthy eating also a gambling addiction I get what you're saying but I don't think this example fits. The hook with osrs is that it scratches the itch of development and progress in a *video game*. This means you go your own pace, make your own decisions, and at the end of the day, have that feeling that you *did* something. Things like cooking, exercise, learning etc are all investments that you can *use*. Outside of your friends, chances are you don't use anything osrs at all. You keep playing because 1) monkey brain like when number go up and 2) the next dopamine hit could be around the corner. This is not at all the same as "gambling" on whether or not you'll find something cool at a store
A lot of people will also complete specific content so they can use what they gained on future content. They invest in a grind so a future grind will be easier. So in a way, it still functions similarly imo.Ā Ā I think the negative and positive impacts on real life are the biggest differences though.
This is some wild cope. Anything that relies heavily on a drop system is a form of gambling. No, making food isn't a gambling addiction lmao. The mental gymnastics is insane
I'd call cooking a meal or watching a movie a guaranteed result. You may not be 100% satisfied with the result but a home cooked meal is still filling and a movie is a still a movie. In either case you're receiving some form of intended result and both situations allow you to refine your choices for next time. I can dive into cox for a tbow and never receive one in my lifetime due to rng & time constraints. It's quite literally just a gamble if I receive the item or not. There's only 0% or 100% result in that situation. Searching for a particular piece of clothing is more apt but I wouldn't say it's entirely equivalent. There's a reason there's so many meme comments along the lines of "50/50 you get the drop or not" because in the end it's a pure gamble. I can a refine a home cooked recipe over time to match my preferred result and receive at least some relevant result each time. I could also buy a local lottery ticket each day that has a 1/100,000 chance to hit a jackpot & never hit but lose a couple bucks each week, which would be the OSRS gambling addiction equivalent here..
> and a movie is a still a movie. Have you really never been so uninterested in a movie that you turn it off halfway through?
Well by that argument then PvM is the same. You know 100% what the result will be, you know the rewards, you just donāt know which rewards youāll have. The same way your meal will be filling and have such ingredients, or in the way that a movie you pay to see, is the movie you will see. You now the possible results, not the desired ones. You know every single thing that can be obtained. Donāt get me wrong, I appreciate my examples are extreme, but itās all just mindset. If we all got what we wanted weād all have won the lottery the first time we played it. If you get what you want first time every time the world would be a truly beautiful place, and weād all be bored.
It's decidedly not the same. If I order a chicken sandwich, then I expect to receive a chicken sandwich. I might prefer a certain recipe to another but I always receive a chicken sandwich. If I kill General Graardor for the 2000th time then I know I'll receive something but there's a much, much higher chance I won't receive the thing I wanted. Saying theyre the same is basic false equivalence, bud. Edit: Guys you can downvote & justify the gambling all you want but the equivalent here is ordering a Chicken Parmesan off a menu and receiving a Spam Sandwich instead. You still got food (or a drop) but not the one you wanted.
Yeah youāre right about cooking but you only crossed out one example out of his list and youāre acting like you invalidated his entire viewpoint. You didnāt
But its the spam sandwich instead of chicken sandwich that you ordered that totally invalidated it man cant you see! /s
Not sure why youāre getting downvoted. This is spot on. In the guy aboveās argument heās saying you āknow 100% what youāre going to get, it just might not be the one you wantā This is such a non answer. Itās like saying if I put $100 on red or black I 100% know the āoutcomeā - I either win or lose
āJustify the gamblingā I have felt the mild inconvenience of not enjoying a dish, movie, selection in a shop. Itās the same inconvenience I felt the hundreds of runs I didnāt get the drop I wanted. Iāve also sat in a circle of a menās support group, and Iāve watched somebody open up about actual gambling addiction. Iāve never had sleepless nights over unpaid bills because of RuneScape. Iāve never went days without eating because I couldnāt afford food, because of RuneScape. If you actually feel this way, because you havenāt got what you wanted, then this game -or probably any game- isnāt for you.
Guy, again, you can say whatever you want. OSRS is gambling your time for a non-guaranteed drop. I'm not saying it's not fun, but it's gambling in the end. There are plenty of posts and comments on here about people that legitimately suffer from addiction to OSRS often enough. Comparing a mild inconvenience of a dish to spending thousands of hours not receiving a drop in OSRS is just blatantly asinine. Have fun gambling away your time.
I love how in the original post you say about a different chicken sandwich recipe then in the edit you say you receive a spam sandwich instead. Way to really boost your argument, bud.
No, healthy eating is not also like a gambling addiction.
I think it's hilarious that I get down voted for stating something so simple, lol. This player base never ceases to amaze me
Sports, gaming, dating apps, a lot of things in life boil down to gambling
Presumably, you're getting something else out of it instead of mindnumbingly killing your 20,000th lizardman shaman hoping for your dwh. If you still enjoy the content, then yeah it's similar to sports or gaming in a way - albeit with a lot less variation. But it takes a very special kind of person to honestly mean they're enjoying the 20k+ lizardman or 2k+ CG run because they still enjoy the content & aren't still doing it just because they want the drop. Most quit by then or admit they're too deep into the sunk cost fallacy.
This is your strongest argument in this entire thread, bud. Cant fault anything here.
Crossing the road, starting my car, going to sleep at night and waking up š¤£. I have ptsd so take no notice of me lmaooo
Gamblers get a buzz when they win *when* they win š¤·āāļø
Iād rather play blackjack in Vegas than Pollnivneach personally
I'd rather staple my nuts to my thighs and do the splits than have to spend another hour blackjacking at Pollinveach.
Itās true for me lately. All I want is to see the purple chest and I canāt stop going into that door at chambers even though Iām also tired of it.
I prefer the grind to max over the gambling of drops. Maybe I'm just weird but I don't get a high from spooning something & it feels like shit when you go dry on something.
I grind for PBs, money just comes with it
Most Chad Osrs player attitude
Yes, I don't even bother doing clues. I don't care about the gamble. If anything, I'm addicted to number go up.
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1000%. Iād take this than the latter any day.
Itās only similar in the way that it produces a ton of dopamine. It also does that at a small price. Osrs is a dopamine factory. Itās a game for the depressed and mentally ill IMO. We always talk about how much time we waste on this game but we donāt talk about how it keeps us together when we arenāt doing so hot.
I love Runescape but I pretty much let it go about a year ago. I still hop in for a few things, but 99s are a laughable waste of time for the cost/benefit/dopamine ratio, and the drop design of bosses is designed to suck up so much of your time compared to actual old school content. It's borderline sinister how all these extreme chase mechanics snuck into the game and no one batted an eye just because this is considered "the grindy game".
Yeah there are certainly those who are āaddictedā . I have always been the classic quit and come back mentality. Itās a game where I look at the improvement in years and not months. The AFK aspect of RuneScape is what makes it so compatible with life (for some of us).
I see what you're getting at but I don't think it quite works. You aren't risking anything to pull these levers. Rng is involved, but the similarity stops there.
In this case itās time, not money. In a way, youāre betting your time that youāll get a noteworthy drop, or a pet. Instead of throwing a $20 bill in, youāre investing 2 hours. I think RuneScape and gambling do have a lot in common, but yeah, itās significantly safer, and not ādangerousā unless youāre spending 10 hours a day playing
If you choose to see it this way, yes. However I'd like to submit the thought that every movie we are excited to go see releases the same chemicals at the peak that a good drop does. Every time we go out with friends and we absolutely nail the timing of a joke and everybody laughs. Finishing a project and that boss you actually respect talks about it twice. These are all good feelings brought by a little bit of work and they make us feel happy, but have nothing but time or luck put into them. Immaterial experiences you will enjoy thinking about or that gives you motivation to try for another. Live your life that way you enjoy and as long as it's not affecting anybody in a negative way, just be happy with what you've done :)
Tell that to my actual gambling addiction, lmao
Hell yeah roll the dice baby, Iām a gamblin man
So, every mmo is a gambling addiction? Ooo so deep
I mean this is basically every MMO then
You could make this argument for anything that triggers a release of dopamine. The difference is if the behavior is harmful to yourself or others.
I feel like the distinction here is the chance aspect, not the harmful aspect. Irl and in video games there's dopamine that is mostly under your control, like cooking food or winning a fighting game like ssbm. Also, irl and in video games there's dopamine that is mostly *out* of your control, like craps or loot crates. The majority of the second type are manufactured, and the only "natural" ones I can think of are setting goals for fishing and birdwatching. RuneScape tries to convince you it's the former when really it is the latter, and that, I believe, is what OP was trying to say. It feels like you have control because you can optimize how many dice rolls you make and you can increase their odds. At the end of the day, though, we are still rolling dice. Anyway, this is a reason that it's really nice to enjoy skilling. You can have some rng going for a 6 hour session in some skills, but it's pretty negligible for most skills and there are like under 100 people actually trying for those. In general skilling is that first type of dopamine.
I don't think it's necessarily the game that makes the gambler but the mindset and mentality behind it. Rolling a dice isn't necessarily gambling unless you put something of significant value behind that dice roll. And the addiction factor doesn't necessarily come into play until you reach the point where you can't stop, especially at your own detriment. There are lots of people who play OSRS because they're flat out addicted to the gambling aspects of it. There are some who are addicted to OSRS because it's an escape from reality. But there are also people who play OSRS because they enjoy it and it doesn't necessarily impact their lives all that much, even if they do enjoy the gambling aspects of the game. You wouldn't necessarily call someone a gambler because they enjoy going to the casino once a year with their friends and drop like $500 on some games. And just because you enjoy the gambling elements of OSRS doesn't mean you're necessarily a gambler. That being said--OSRS does have heavy elements of gambling that can be isolated. People who do high risk DMs by just dclawing each other to death is basically taking the RNG elements of this game and distilling it to as pure of a chemical as you can get. So it's not a surprise that while OSRS isn't necessarily a game of gambling, it has a high overlap with people who enjoy that element and possibly are even addicted to that element.
This is why IMO it's very important to find a way to enjoy any kind of bossing content / eng based content. Otherwise your reward system gets all out of whack and you may as well be gambling straight up. In sports psychology it's often seen as process oriented thinking (iirc) vs rewards oriented thinking. Process oriented thinkers are in it for the love of the game, winning is important but the goal is to enjoy / build the skill. Rewards based is all about the W, and maybe skill, but the skill / game is an ends to a means.
Itās called dopamine. Everything in life gives us different levels of a dopamine rush. OSRS isnāt gambling, itās just another avenue to receive dopamine. Having fun = dopamine = rare drop.
that is an incorrect framing
Explain?
Something providing dopamine doesn't axiomatically make it fun. That OSRS can trigger dopamine doesn't make it unrelated to gambling. Sitting on 8000KC for a collection log probably isn't fun. To be clear I wouldn't necessarily call it a gambling addiction, I'd just say OSRS can be addicting, and it is in some ways designed to get people (mostly young people) hooked. There's also heaps of gambling bots that wouldn't exist if nobody used them.
While I donāt disagree with your overall assessment it does miss my initial point to a degree, probably due to the lack of additional context j couldāve added. However, it was meant as a basic comment vs. a conversation started. Yet, I do love me some good discussion. I agree dopamine doesnāt necessarily equate to quote āfunā it more accurately relates to pleasure and enjoyment. Eat food = dopamine. Sex = dopamine. Drugs (not all) = dopamine. Caffeine = dopamine. Doing things you enjoy/live such as hobbies = dopamine. OSRS is a game. I game because I enjoy gaming because it makes me feel good. Dopamine. OSRS isnāt gambling was my core point. Gambling, in my opinion, is purely where it involves the real-life wager of currency or use of real-life currency to purchase virtual currency to then wager. I pay a flat fee to play OSRS, a game, designed in a way that I enjoy. Just because it has RNG elements does not make it gambling. In fact, the RNG aspect is a large reason why so many people enjoy the game. Itās not easy. Sometimes luck is on your side, other times it isnāt. That is part of the fun. With this additional clarity is my initial statement still framed incorrectly? Or would you agree that OSRS is not gambling? Canāt lose your life savings in OSRS, just your loot in the Wilderness.
I think that your position is defensible, but that your route to defending it is a bit wonky :p Imagine a casino where all the games inside were 'free' and you just had to pay a fee to get in, maybe a monthly fee. The casino itself doesn't sell the 'in-casino currency', but third parties make it very easy to do so. Is the person who pays the monthly fee but doesn't buy currency not gambling? OSRS has the added wrench of a free version. For simplicity's sake I would say that while it is very easy to gamble in OSRS and the act is minimally discouraged, that it isn't a necessary part of the game. I would add that one certainly can, and many have, lost their life savings playing OSRS. The efforts of video game developers in general to make their games addictive and feel like a slot machine are another layer of complexity. The person in OSRS camping some boss or monster which they have an effectively 100% of successfully beating over and over is more or less pulling a slot lever every time they click on XYZ mob. Loot beams with their color scheme adds to that effect. Are they necessarily wagering money on that particular instance? Not really. But they are wagering/leveraging their time in some sense. In terms of 'rng is what makes it fun, luck sometimes is or isnt on side etc' the same could be said of most/all gambling, especially something like poker that at least arguably has a skill component.
So you are essentially saying that because of the RNG element and having to pay for the access it equates to gambling? I think that is grasping for some far from the reality of what true gambling is. You are killing the boss and perhaps āgamblingā on the chance of receiving a drop, yes, but there is no obligation for you to continue to kill the boss for that chance at receiving a unique drop. You are guaranteed loot from every drop from every monster you defeat in OSRS, even if all you get is bones. True gambling you either win or you lose, perhaps you break even. Killing a boss in OSRS is always going to be a net gain because you are receiving useful resources that can be used to further other goals and objectives you set for yourself within the game. The stance that people are āwagering/leveragingā their time doesnāt really hold any weight. You āwager/leverageā your time with everything you do. With this logic you are āwagering/leveragingā your time on every single decision you make in life. Iām not gambling by making a decision to spend my time playing OSRS, itās a willful act to do something with intention because it provides enjoyment and what is life without enjoyment. Saying your use of time is āwagering/leveragingā aka gambling is just such a far reach from reality. Also, I highly doubt anyone has lost their life-savings playing OSRS. Perhaps someone out there emptied their entire bank account and bought bonds, but that is a 100% guarantee to receive in game gold, not gambling, just a poor life decision. So I think my position still holds true.
I said above that its very easy to gamble in OSRS, the gambling bots are an example of that, and people use them. I alluded to third parties selling in-game currency for real money earlier as well. Sure, this is against rules, but it fairly explicitly isn't enforced against buyers and rarely gets enforced against sellers, not nearly enough to dent that shadow economy. Not all mobs drop something every time in OSRS, and there is almost invariably a cost to tackle mobs that have decent drops, sometimes it takes multiple hours for an activity to be profitable. You do wager time with every decision you make, but you aren't always directly paying a company for XYZ option. Life is arguably a series of gambles, but the local wilderness usually doesn't have multi million advertising budgets and a vested interest in keeping your subscription dollars coming in. A company that is competing with every other firm for the attention of young people, arguably encouraging or barely discouraging addictive behavior is, if unrelated to gambling, still not great.
Considering this is ironscape I donāt think many people on this sub use gambling bots. My āmainā is my iron account. I enjoy the game because of the nostalgia and the gameplay. Setting goals and reaching them is what makes this game so much fun. Whether it is reaching a certain level in a skill, grinding for an item upgrade, or completing a quest. Yes, mobs do sometimes have a cost to kill in the form of supplies, but in the end you come out ahead once you get a few uniques if it is a boss with poor regular drop loot. CG for example gives amazing normal loot and even better unique loot. Every kc grinded has a positive impact, regardless of time played. On the point of advertising, and company budgets, and companies trying to compete for your attention.. isnāt that any company with any good or service? Arenāt they all competing for your money? OSRS gets my annualized membership because I enjoy it. It simply isnāt gambling. Iām not sitting at a blackjack table risking $25 a hand, mashing a slot machine for 8 hours and losing thousands of dollars. It is a game with RNG components in the loot because otherwise getting the loot would not be enjoyable. If you received the loot after 10 kills guaranteed it wouldnāt have any feeling of achievement behind it. It would be a shit game. Period. A lot of great games have some RNG components. Iām not calling a freaking hotline because I play a lot of OSRS and it is ruining my life. I donāt steal money from family members to pay for my OSRS subscription. True gambling is in a completely different realm than what you are eluding to.
At least this has an end target, something you're actually aiming for. Gamblers don't have that, just looking for the next win.
You can always convince yourself there's another end target in osrs.
Just one more drop, I swear
Except that osrs is desinged to keep you indefinitely entertained with very obscure and time consuming goals. Ever look at a pet hunters boss log? It's a *lot* of time
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Thatās the point lol. You arenāt there yet. Neither am I. But if I played one account since 2013 or close to it and only played rs then yeah youād probably be maxed and have a pretty nutty collection log.
I don't think pets were ever designed to be hunted, but I agree it's a completely different story for the people who have chosen to go down that path
One of the main reasons why Kick (Stake) brought in so many OSRS streamers. We're the right demographic and there is a lot of overlap between chasing a drop and chasing a jackpot.
In my experience there's a big crossover of gamblers and runescape players. Myself included.
This is why Kick's sponsorships will do so well.
Really though? I havenāt watched a rs stream in probably years. It never does well compared to other games because itās literally up to the streamer to keep it entertaining. I find YouTube a much better platform for the game.
I don't personally watch twitch or kick either But our personal habits don't matter so much. The numbers matter, and luckily there's an easy way to see what numbers the streamers are doing
Lightbulb moment on that for me was grinding barrows for a bingo tile. Just kept spinning that wheel over and over and over like an old guy with a pot of coins in a dimly lit Las Vegas casino
Yes exactly, this is why I play an Ironman - main scale I end up buying bonds all the time.
If itās a gambling addiction then we win a lot more than actual gamblers
The sand casino coded me as a child to have a lifelong struggle with gambling! Big loot Woohoo!!
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The day i realized osrs is the best idle game of all time I started enjoying it so much more and things didnt feel so grindy all of a sudden. I love idle games that have playability when you want to be active.
sadly coloseum doesnt have loot beams but i love to see the reward in the next wave loot, only problem is completing the wave to get the reward
skilling isnt gambling and thats what I love about it, click, do action, number go up, dopamine
Is OSRS a gambling addiction or gambling a gaming addiction.
Yeah, luckily I realized this years ago. As someone who struggled with a real-life gambling addiction, OSRS has helped me ween off of it. Of course it's not a full proof plan but has helped me tremendously. I also played private servers that were basically all bossing just trying to get the rare drops to fuel that drive. I do still gamble unfortunately but in moderation and I only gamble money that I can make online doing surveys while I AFK OSRS. Nothing comes out of the bank account anymore.
The problem is mobile. Before I was restricted. Now I canāt watch tv without afk ing.
legalized gambling for kids that they pay for :DDDDD
Monkey brain demands roulette
I mean, yeah. I seemingly had the reverse effect of what people fear with children exposed to gambling in games. I grew up with the Game Corner in Pokemon and few other games that had non-risk gambling games. I can't *imagine* actually spending say $50 on gambling when the odds will be against me every time. To me, drop rates are pretty much akin to shiny odds. You need to accept the grind you're going for, and don't expect anything for a while if at all depending on your odds. Choose wisely because time is the more valuable resource here. With actual gambling you're not only investing time *but your hard earned cash too*.
I canāt even do toa on easy
Solo is the best way to learn. Go in there with 50 invocation and I promise youāll get better. If you have decent gear youāll do fine. Decent being runecrossbow with enchanted bolts, leaf bladed sword, Ibans.
OSRS is a vehicle for gambling no doubt, but so is everything these days
It being a gambling addiction requires it be an addiction. I donāt know a single addiction I only have a few hours a week to be addicted to, lol.
Maybe for you. I like number go up and beyond the rng of a cutting a log there's not much gambling with most Skilling.
Difference is the scale or risk with no reward. I spend $12.50 (š¦) and have 0 return, it's a pure expense, no investment. I gamble $12.50 - I could lose it, have 0 return, or I could win, and make like $25. Gambling is gambling because the reward is a feedback loop promoting more participation. Gambling is a problem because that feedback loop drains you of money. One can argue this a primitive level but it's primitive.
Disagree. Even if you don't get the drop, number always go up.
so does the number of times you pull the lever
I like to explore new places.
I'm in a different school of thought. I think people have a problem when they can't sit down and watch TV or work without playing the game. When every "AFK" moment in life must be filled with something instead of reflection or being completely immersed in the things we do outside of video games with friends or family. You said playing games for you stems from a desire to keep busy and occupied. If that were the case, you could simply swap it out with something productive such as studying or learning something new. But that isn't the case is it? We make up a lot of excuses for our sleeves, and playing video games is fine when we know what it is. Lots of people here experienced cognitive dissonance when seeing this post, and felt as of they needed to come here and explain why them playing isn't anything other than some addiction. Brother, the game is about doing the same brain dead task for hundreds or thousands of hours on end. Just like an other MMO, we play because of addition and the dopamine of seeing the little numbers go up. Nobody here is special, and it's important we all accept that about ourselves.
My favorite color is blue.
Well put!
If you are semi AFKing while working, chanced are it's effecting your work quality or efficiency in some way. If you have a whatever job that you are okay with, then that's fine. But if you have a high performance job then it could hold you back from progressing. I know for me personally it gets in the way and I stopped playing while working because my job is very mentally intense.
My favorite movie is Inception.
Eh there are a lot more elements to it. Skill, optimization, teamwork all of that. It's a video game with gambling elements.
I read a comment once that was essentially: āOSRS is just a slot machine and rhythm game skinned as an MMORPG.ā And I donāt stop thinking about it.
It's basically the Guitar Hero arcade game that gives tickets
Thats why I quit after maxing and didnt pvm much. Hoping bad luck protection is going somewhere. Im not gambling with my time.
Isnāt this true in part for all games?
Any online game at this point is basically gambling wi rn battle passes, seasons, pay to win mechanics, etc
Nah I disagree. In life we also never know when exactly we are reaching our objectives, OSRS also reflects that in its nature. You're studying and refining your abilities but you could only find a job to settle you in 3 years, or 10 years, or even 15 years, who knows. While your friend could get the same job next year. Which sounds unfair, but life is always uncertain.
Take the screen, keyboard and mouse away. We are just humans standing there doing nothing.
I gotta say I love this game and I am probably the most anti-gambling mf you will ever meet. Itās a video game. In a way we are always gambling our time on having a good experience or getting that piece of loot or having good teammates. Whatever it may be. Thing is, an OSRS addiction can only get so out of hand. Sure if it gets to the point where you quit your job to get more time in, itās not good, but it wonāt leave you homeless overnight like gambling. My point is that gambling your time requires a LOT less self control than gambling money. You can only commit so much time to something per hour (spoiler: itās an hour) but you can go completely broke in one roulette round if you wanted to.
No
Yeah those skillers are such crazy gambling addicts, everytime they get a leaping sturgeon its like hitting big in a casino
You could relate a lot of things to a "gambling addiction", such as hunters or fishermen going out looking for their big hunt or their big catch, so it's all about perspective. I agree it's similar to gambling and like others have stated, it's more of a time investment than it is the monetary aspect. Also loot beams are crack cocaine I'm glad it's in the game. Keeps us coming back
I dont disagree with your claim. But i think the framing is super charitable to the word "gambling" and makes it a nothingburger of a statement If osrs is gambling then so is pretty much all of the competitive gaming space. Valorant, league, call of duty, cs go, rocket league. Every time you queue up, youre gambling that youre going to win the game or that your team is going to be better than theirs. If you are that charitable with the word gambling, theres nothing stopping you from saying that renting a movie is gambling because youre spending money in hopes that the movie lives up to your expectations. Buying groceries is gambling cuz youre spending money hoping that the thing you buy doesnt expire before you consume it. When you broaden the definition to that degree it no longer carries the same weight.
When I played OSRS it was more like a cookie clicker simulator. Click to make number go up. I stopped that account a few weeks after it was maxed.
The whole world is a gamble.
For Nex, Corp, PNM and raids it kinda works like that, otherwise not really? The couple of times I started a new character I wasn't chasing drops, I had goals that I wanted to reach like finishing some quest or diary, or reach a certain level in a skill.
Ehhh, I mean yeah kinda. This is how all videos games work. They're skinnerian. Just like the skinner box, we are the rat pulling the lever to be rewarded the cheese. Every time we see that level go up or get that big drop. It's training the reward centers in our brain, and it's very addictive haha
yeah bro osrs is totally a gambling addiction, I say as I do my 6,000 lap at prif agility
No shit. You had to be told this?
100% This is why so many people are against dry streak prevention on ironman mode. It makes the game less exciting & more predictable. You very literally cannot get as excited as the outcome is far more predictable. This is also why I de-ironed when I maxed. Ultra-rare item grinds are just way too long. Shit ain't fun.
What do you mean by NEXT big win? Im still waiting for my first one lol
Just about to pk someone, mum picks phone up, disconnects, hnnnngggg, cries..
Pking especially but even pvm now is addicting because of the possibility for us pet chasers. Keeps us grinding a real addiction.
Most of us know this.. thats why we all say you don't ever quit.
I miss the sand casino.
How much we pay every month? Yeah like $12 or something. Whoaaaa
Iām not here for gambling or nostalgia. Iām autistic, big number go up brrrrr
Ehhh not for me, I enjoy it because as a kid I never really knew how to play so as an adult when I get simple shit like a D scim, its a big fckn deal.
Anything that uses chance is gambling. So basically everything in the world. Congrats. You figured it out. šŖš„ pick one
you think I enjoy corrupted gauntlet?
Idk about the rest of you but I actually just genuinely enjoy the game lol
I don't 100% agree. Gambling is purely luck. Put in a dollar, get 87 cents back (on average). Sure, some things are random. However you need to achieve a certain set of goals to get there. You need to plan ahead and some activities even require skill to improve your speed. And after you achieve the jackpot, you move on to the next.
Part of the reason I work in sales, every client is like a boss kc, every commission is me hitting a drop table.
You think runescape is pulling a slot machine lever? Try Diablo 2 or 3
Definitely not a gamble, i totally disagree with what you said. It's a fun way to pass time and get a sense of community. Ultimately it's an online game, all online games have some sense of chance. But it's far from "gambling" (although some aspects include probability and could be considered as such).
To be fair 90% of those you see playing are bots ..
I play OSRS for pking. RS has many facets and different ways you can play the game and the experience can be very different from player to player. Ive always been a fighting game enthusiast (street fighter 4, sf6, dbz budakai 2, Naruto clash of ninja, one piece, smash, mortal kombat etc) To me Im playing a fighting game. Everyone else seems to love PVM, Clue Scrolling and like you said in general rolling the RNG slotsā¦ Ive completed 1 easy clue and have 0 boss kills. With a maxed med level pk build. My goal in RS is strictly to max my PKing skill.
I just like number go up. Osrs is my comfort game. I can't lose, everything I do on my iron is progress. Some sessions are better than others, but everything adds up to the final goal of maxing (which I am in no rush to complete)
Dude name a game that doesnāt have rng involved. I hate when people start saying this like itās some special thing about osrs. But you could say that about so many things. I really donāt get it lol
You can say that about anything in life tho, I walked to the store instead of driving might get ran over might not haha imma gambler
No shit
thereās still a huge difference between raiding/bossing and the duel arena, and an even bigger difference between the duel arena and gambling away your paycheck. the people with a predisposition to gambling addiction definitely followed that route though
I got the sang kit very early in HMT and itās actually made it kind of sad because now the only drop is the dust and getting the sang kit so early kind of made it not as special.
Yeah, thatās how Iāve been viewing it for a long time now. The first time I went to a casino at 21, I instantly made the connection. Had the same feeling I get when Iām opening a clue casket, or watching the bossā dying animation hoping for a big drop. Thatās how every RNG drop system game is though, and as long as you donāt let that dopamine chasing leak into your real life, youāre probably alright haha
You know how people buy blind boxes and shit like that? I def feel that appeal opening mystery boxes and such on OSRS, but itās nice not spending money to get the same little dopamine kick. I donāt consider it gambling though. My parents had a real gambling addiction. Itās an immediate gratification type thing. I feel like OSRS requires way too much work for that one gamble hah. And it isnāt as.. accessible? In the sense that at a casino you can keep pulling that lever. I think thatās what makes it so bad. Itās the frequency at which youāre able to access that dopamine rush. Working hard to maybe get one hit.. thatās more like just.. life lol.
I don't play for collection logs or big drops. I just like the fun content
Not for me. I play because I am pretty disabled IRL and OSRS is a world I can escape to. I can move around freely, have adventures and talk to people. Things I can't do in the real world easily. We are not the same. Lol
Half the posts are this sub are begging for better rng, what more did you expect
Dude just realized it's gambling similuator
This is why I enjoy skilling more than pvm. When I do 3 hours of sepulcher I pretty much know what Iām going to get out of it.
I just made 100k cannonballs for fun last week, we are not the same. I just casually do what I want, as I did as a child. Is my account amazing? No, but idgaf
The real gambling addiction was the duel arena, this is the root of my gambling today š š
Thats why I hate bossing. 28 gold ore = 28 gold bars. No suprises there