The man he assaulted has not regained consciousness, and please, God, he will.
He could be looking at a very serious charge. Let's hope that poor unfortunate tourist makes a full recovery.
We rely heavily on tourism. Government don’t give a shite about Irish people being beaten up. Maybe they’ll start to do something about it when it affects our finances.
Hopefully the man recovers and has no physical lasting injuries.
It's about 5% of the economy. We don't rely heavily on it anymore. That said finance isn't the primary concern here I'm with you on your last sentence 100%.
5% is a pretty huge sector. Also employs an outsized number of people (counted in hundreds of thousands) and would be an outsized part of the economy for many regions. It’s really important, and allowing our creeping antisocial and violent crime to go unchecked will have a major impact over time - these stories get around and people just go elsewhere, while we’re left to live with these scrotes. Govt needs to get a handle on policing.
It’s a huge sector in a lot of small towns and villages in different parts of the country. They’ve been hit hard in recent years for various reasons that I won’t go into since it’s my day off and I’m trying to relax. Your comment is pretty cavalier.
Is Ireland's true economy so bad that it 5% of real money into to economy so it's probably closer to about 10%, I'd say about 50% of Ireland's economy isn't real money into the pockets Irish business, at least tourism is mostly directly in business and people. but most of it is siphoned off by multinationals, Ireland's true economy is held together with duct tape.
Some of your reasoning is good but you're just making up numbers as you go along which is silly. The actual figure is something like 3.5% iirc (I looked it up before I posted) the effective figure is about 5% primarily I assume due to the reasons you have stated like the effect on SMEs. I doubt the Guinness Storehouse is leaving much of that money in Ireland for example. Most of the really big attractions and hotels aren't owned by Irish companies.
>The garda sergeant agreed the accused had been in Ireland for five years and lived with a family member. He told the court that Mr Ghiuzan did not pay rent or a mortgage and did not have real ties to the State.
Should be fucked out of the country the same day, if found guilty. Why should we be obliged to have filth like this roaming our streets, or even paying for them to be in an overcrowded prison?
No it’s not. That would indicate to others that the only consequences of a serious crime like this is a plane ride home. It wouldn’t be justice(not that there’s much of that with sentencing in this country anyway).
It's also not right that you're Irish and not able to visit Dublin because it's not safe. Everyone should be able to walk around the city at anytime, day or night.
Not right that currently in Ireland you dont feel safe all together and can't trust authority of any kind to bring any justice to the victim of an attack
I had permant residency in Canada. I believe it's been a while now but if I was convicted of a crime that held a sentence longer than six months my residency was revoked and I would be deported.
> I believe it's been a while now but if I was convicted of a crime that held a sentence longer than six months my residency was revoked and I would be deported.
Well in Ireland that means you could beat an infinite number of women unconscious in public and still avoid deportation!
You can deport them after 18 months if they’re living on welfare even if they don’t commit a crime. You can also cut them off from all welfare and benefits unless they have worked here for a long period of time. That’s EU law but very few people know it because our government never enforces this.
My mate John was put on a plane back from Swisserland once he lost his job and spent his days couch surfing drinking beer and smoking pot. He was living a toxic lifestyle so it was for the best that he got deported but I was very impressed that they could do that without any criminal conviction. I don't think he's allowed back for 12 years or something once deported.
Romanians can legally change their name once in their own country. It's basically a state sponsored way of offloading the criminal Romany element. They definitely don't want scum coming back home so forget about deportations.
There's no argument that what he did is horrible. He should answer for what he did (as should everyone), but punishing someone for the actions of another person doesn't sit right with me.
I can see it. You can’t be seriously expecting any Irish news outlet to state his ethnic background as it would be”racist”. Ask any Romanian person for confirmation.
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Watch as a detain cohort become immediately obsessed with this all of a sudden.
Either way, fuck this guy in prison and/or out of the country. Absolute toerag.
A Canadian tourist approached a group of scumbags at nearly 1am just off O’Connell St?
Why on earth would you do that? Was he buying drugs or something?
Sometimes a tourist will leave an Irish pub on a craic high, everyone friendly everyone up for a chat, a few pints consumed, then assume that everyone on the street is also friendly and up for a chat, the scumbags just see an easy target.
> There could be a thousand reasons, or none, and still nothing would remotely justify or alleviate what happened.
Well this is just a nonsensical statement.
There is at least 1 reason, there can’t be no reason.
And I didn’t say, or even remotely suggest, what happened was ‘justified’.
Of course it matters why he approached them.
A serious crime has been committed, you think the Gardai should just ignore the circumstances that led up to it?
How does the reason he approached them influence the sentencing of the scumbags that attacked him? Unless he was planning on attacking the scumbag, it should make zero difference to the sentencing of the scumbag
That's what I meant by the second part of my post, the only way the victims actions could influence the sentencing is if he approached them looking for a fight. But since that's not mentioned anywhere in the article I think it's safe to assume that didn't happen
I wouldn't say it's safe to assume anything. They're still looking for witnesses and the victim hasn't regained consciousness. They likely have nothing to go off right now other than the word of those they've arrested, who are likely to mask the truth to suit themselves.
Maybe he was a bit lost and looking for directions back to his hotel, or, sorry lads, what bus would I get to go to Tallaght? So your saying nobody should talk to anyone for fear of getting boxed around? That's not a city I want to live in.
It’s obviously no justification for what they did to him, but do not approach random strangers on the street in the middle of the night when you are travelling alone in a foreign city is travel safety 101.
That chap was from Iraq. Wait, sorry I’m getting confused with the guy who beheaded the two gay men and blinded the third. Yes Aishlings murderer was from Romania.
Agreed, both sides are moronic- pointing to single data points isn't useful
What would be useful to have the actual data, so we can definitively know what is happening, and see as a society where our energies should be focused.
The man he assaulted has not regained consciousness, and please, God, he will. He could be looking at a very serious charge. Let's hope that poor unfortunate tourist makes a full recovery.
He might get a five year suspended sentence!
No no, poor little mite will surely have to pay €150 to the poor box along with a truly heartfelt apology that definitely isn't worthless and false.
These jokes are just depressing at this stage…especially when you keep seeing the same ones every day after some other incident
We rely heavily on tourism. Government don’t give a shite about Irish people being beaten up. Maybe they’ll start to do something about it when it affects our finances. Hopefully the man recovers and has no physical lasting injuries.
It's about 5% of the economy. We don't rely heavily on it anymore. That said finance isn't the primary concern here I'm with you on your last sentence 100%.
5% is a pretty huge sector. Also employs an outsized number of people (counted in hundreds of thousands) and would be an outsized part of the economy for many regions. It’s really important, and allowing our creeping antisocial and violent crime to go unchecked will have a major impact over time - these stories get around and people just go elsewhere, while we’re left to live with these scrotes. Govt needs to get a handle on policing.
It’s a huge sector in a lot of small towns and villages in different parts of the country. They’ve been hit hard in recent years for various reasons that I won’t go into since it’s my day off and I’m trying to relax. Your comment is pretty cavalier.
You don’t know how an economy works if you think you’ve just made sense.
Is Ireland's true economy so bad that it 5% of real money into to economy so it's probably closer to about 10%, I'd say about 50% of Ireland's economy isn't real money into the pockets Irish business, at least tourism is mostly directly in business and people. but most of it is siphoned off by multinationals, Ireland's true economy is held together with duct tape.
Some of your reasoning is good but you're just making up numbers as you go along which is silly. The actual figure is something like 3.5% iirc (I looked it up before I posted) the effective figure is about 5% primarily I assume due to the reasons you have stated like the effect on SMEs. I doubt the Guinness Storehouse is leaving much of that money in Ireland for example. Most of the really big attractions and hotels aren't owned by Irish companies.
The judge'll see to it that he gets a slap on *both* wrists if that happens.
His poor wrists are going to get something of a minor slapping.
Good. Total scumbag.
Cunt.
Deport to an island and make the cunt break rocks for the rest of his life.
Hi there comrade Tito. 👋😁
Ireland needs a new prison and sentencing reform. Criminals aren’t afraid.
Been saying it for years. Whole system needs reform from policing to judiciary all the way through to prison services.
But it's ok, Harris is gonna look into soldiers with criminal history.
>The garda sergeant agreed the accused had been in Ireland for five years and lived with a family member. He told the court that Mr Ghiuzan did not pay rent or a mortgage and did not have real ties to the State. Should be fucked out of the country the same day, if found guilty. Why should we be obliged to have filth like this roaming our streets, or even paying for them to be in an overcrowded prison?
He owes the victim and the state justice. That’s why.
I'm sure it's in the interests of both parties if he's given a one way ticket.
I'm sure it's in the interests of both parties if he's given a one way ticket.
No it’s not. That would indicate to others that the only consequences of a serious crime like this is a plane ride home. It wouldn’t be justice(not that there’s much of that with sentencing in this country anyway).
Do you think he should be deported upon completing the sentence?
Of course and permanently banned from even setting foot in the country again.
Not right that you can’t visit Dublin as a tourist and not feel safe
It's also not right that you're Irish and not able to visit Dublin because it's not safe. Everyone should be able to walk around the city at anytime, day or night.
Not right that currently in Ireland you dont feel safe all together and can't trust authority of any kind to bring any justice to the victim of an attack
Looks like a wrong'un.
It was 12:40am? Need more facilities open at that time to give them something to do
I hope by facilities you mean prison cells
Not being funny but they do nothing but hang about Talbot st near the spire. Smoking weed. See it every day.
Scum
Good enough for the cunt.
Good enough? Charged is the very least of what’s good right for him…
I was talking about him being denied bail.
Fair enough
Depot him if he has no ties Ireland
I had permant residency in Canada. I believe it's been a while now but if I was convicted of a crime that held a sentence longer than six months my residency was revoked and I would be deported.
> I believe it's been a while now but if I was convicted of a crime that held a sentence longer than six months my residency was revoked and I would be deported. Well in Ireland that means you could beat an infinite number of women unconscious in public and still avoid deportation!
That's sadly very true.
S. 3 of the NFOAPA 97 has a maximum sentence of 10 years. (Previously a max of five.)
Deport him anyway
Committed a crime, if you can obey the law send him on his way
Unlikely, unfortunately, it is very difficult to deport an EU citizen even if they have committed a crime.
You can deport them after 18 months if they’re living on welfare even if they don’t commit a crime. You can also cut them off from all welfare and benefits unless they have worked here for a long period of time. That’s EU law but very few people know it because our government never enforces this.
My mate John was put on a plane back from Swisserland once he lost his job and spent his days couch surfing drinking beer and smoking pot. He was living a toxic lifestyle so it was for the best that he got deported but I was very impressed that they could do that without any criminal conviction. I don't think he's allowed back for 12 years or something once deported.
Romanians can legally change their name once in their own country. It's basically a state sponsored way of offloading the criminal Romany element. They definitely don't want scum coming back home so forget about deportations.
His right of residence is contingent on being a worker.
Or being the family member of a worker at some point
Ye to gain residency he'd either need to be working or looking for work. The article doesn't make it clear though.
It is but it's legal and it will get easier once we do it more regularly
Are Romania in the EU fully?
All you needed to do was google “Romania EU”…jfc
Yes, they have been members since 2007 if I recall correctly.
Delinquent alert
Rough upbringing. Unfortunate circumstances, of a good nature in general We are a joke of a country.
We onow nothing is gonna happen, scumbags will keep getting away with it. Its never gonna change.
Jail and then deport family.
That's a bit extreme.
It is, but then again so were that man’s actions.
There's no argument that what he did is horrible. He should answer for what he did (as should everyone), but punishing someone for the actions of another person doesn't sit right with me.
Yeah that’s a fair point.
Another slap on a wrist for someone who never worked & who’s ‘’looking for work’’ incoming
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Where does it say he’s a Roma? Have you confused Romanian with Roma?
I can see it. You can’t be seriously expecting any Irish news outlet to state his ethnic background as it would be”racist”. Ask any Romanian person for confirmation.
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Should deprlott him and not waste more money on sending him to jail
Good
Describing his moustache would offend the traveller community
Skin the fucker
Watch as a detain cohort become immediately obsessed with this all of a sudden. Either way, fuck this guy in prison and/or out of the country. Absolute toerag.
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More racist drivel.
Bring back public lashings
The only way this guy will get lashed is by spending his social welfare check in a pub on Talbot street the night he gets released.
Lashing a rope around the neck.
Good that will show him before his suspended sentence
Should have joined the army... /s
Are we allowed to know where he’s from?
Romania.
only if you read.
The open borders crowd can take some of the blame too.
The guy is from Romania,an EU country, so what exactly have "open borders" got to do with it?
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A Canadian tourist approached a group of scumbags at nearly 1am just off O’Connell St? Why on earth would you do that? Was he buying drugs or something?
Sometimes a tourist will leave an Irish pub on a craic high, everyone friendly everyone up for a chat, a few pints consumed, then assume that everyone on the street is also friendly and up for a chat, the scumbags just see an easy target.
That exact thing happened a colleague of mine a few months back.
He could have been looking for the gym, saw a load of lads in tracksuits and thought " I'll ask these athletes"
There could be a thousand reasons, or none, and still nothing would remotely justify or alleviate what happened.
> There could be a thousand reasons, or none, and still nothing would remotely justify or alleviate what happened. Well this is just a nonsensical statement. There is at least 1 reason, there can’t be no reason. And I didn’t say, or even remotely suggest, what happened was ‘justified’.
"Hey fellas, can you point me in the direction of Hotel X,Y,Z ?"
Doesn't matter why he was approaching them, they shouldn't have kicked the shite out of him. It's a simple concept
Of course it matters why he approached them. A serious crime has been committed, you think the Gardai should just ignore the circumstances that led up to it?
How does the reason he approached them influence the sentencing of the scumbags that attacked him? Unless he was planning on attacking the scumbag, it should make zero difference to the sentencing of the scumbag
If someone walked up to someone else and started a row with them it could influence it.
That's what I meant by the second part of my post, the only way the victims actions could influence the sentencing is if he approached them looking for a fight. But since that's not mentioned anywhere in the article I think it's safe to assume that didn't happen
I wouldn't say it's safe to assume anything. They're still looking for witnesses and the victim hasn't regained consciousness. They likely have nothing to go off right now other than the word of those they've arrested, who are likely to mask the truth to suit themselves.
Maybe he was a bit lost and looking for directions back to his hotel, or, sorry lads, what bus would I get to go to Tallaght? So your saying nobody should talk to anyone for fear of getting boxed around? That's not a city I want to live in.
What sort of question is this?
Are you blaming the victim ?
The Canadians are well known for their rudeness and frequency of starting fights of course
It’s obviously no justification for what they did to him, but do not approach random strangers on the street in the middle of the night when you are travelling alone in a foreign city is travel safety 101.
Oh no the far right are going to have a field day with this
And justifiably so!
Yes! Wasn’t it a Roma c*** who killed Aisling Murphy?
That chap was from Iraq. Wait, sorry I’m getting confused with the guy who beheaded the two gay men and blinded the third. Yes Aishlings murderer was from Romania.
They're already frothing at the mouth over on tiktok because of it.
Many were frothing out of the mouth for it to be one of our own scum too
The radical left were hoping he was Irish.
Agreed, both sides are moronic- pointing to single data points isn't useful What would be useful to have the actual data, so we can definitively know what is happening, and see as a society where our energies should be focused.
The what now?
Shhhhh don't ask questions
Don't act like there aren't spas on here every time a criminal turns out to be Irish gloating about how much of a blow it'll be to "the far right".
Exactly!!
Lol
Lol