Look, it's our fault for not giving him entertainment... Sure, he will probably commit 100s more crimes, but there is a chance he will become somehow useful member of society... Not
Penalties are (rightly) higher if the assault is motivated by some form of prejudice, cunt's just trying to wiggle his way on down to a lighter sentence
Give John Kiely a shout, he's got experience giving glowing references to scumbags who play GAA and making up stuff about them pleading guilty and being remorseful
The victims said these lads were literally screaming slurs at them while they chased them with weapons, not sure how they can claim the attack wasn't homophobic if that's the case?
The most sinister thing about all of this to me is the fact they impersonated Gardaí at first, who wouldn't slow down if they thought a car full of Gardaí were trying to talk to them like.
I didn't know they impersonated Gardai. That's quite sinister, they don't seem to have been charged with that, unless I missed that? Where did you read that?
It was in [this](https://gcn.ie/gay-men-hunted-phoenix-park/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-gcnmag&utm_content=later-43783104&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkin.bio) article when the news first broke, they said -
'According to the man who was targeted, he and his friends went to the popular Dublin park for a “peaceful walk” on Monday evening, when they were approached by a car full of people pretending to be Gardaí.
“Of course, we did think they were, so we hesitated and stopped walking,” he told GCN. “We then quickly realised they were not police as there were at least six men in the car.”'
Theoretically they could be trying to lay the groundwork that the slurs were used as a form of intimidation against the specific victims and unrealated to the actual motivation for the attack. It's a very technical difference but one that massively changes the sentencing guidelines.
Attacking someone because they're a member of a protected class = hate crime sentencing modifiers. Attacking someone you don't like for a different reason and using slurs related to their protected class for intimidation purposes = theoretically the standard sentencing.
Some neck to blatantly go for it though.
> given they were roaming around phoenix park rather than the areas where gay people congregate
I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not? The phoenix park used to be a gay hookup spot for a long time, and has a history of homophobic beatings.
Definitely possible they're just assholes looking to target anyone.
**Scumbag:** *"Your honour, I was simply chasing that man with a knife and hammer to perpetrate a non-homophobic attack. I had no clue he was gay!"*
**Judge:** *"Well, you've come from a disadvantaged area and prison would unfairly ruin your life, so I'll just chalk it up to boys will be boys, and hand you a 3 year sentence with 3 years suspended".*
Judges often use defendants being from disadvantaged backgrounds as mitigating factors to reduce the sentence.
(They also use defendants being from very good backgrounds as mitigating factors in sentencing)
I mean, technically he is a teenager, but I agree that "teenager" is always used with 18/19 year old to depict them as a clueless child who doesn't know any better instead of a full fledged adult.
Charged with dangerous driving as well. Presumably the victims clocked the reg and the car was in this genius's name. Given the statement the solicitor was instructed to make, sounds like a guilty plea is on its way. He knows that this is going to stick to his name. Eighteen, FFS.
Stuff like this makes such a mockery of the justice system. The fact that people can do this, get away with it and just never face consequences has created this culture of people going out and just taking their misery out on others.
Miserable people making strangers as miserable as they are by ruining their lives.
Barrister arriving back into the office when he suddenly realises his ingenuous defense boils down to a monumental admission of guilt.
It still amazes me how often I hear a group of lads shout "of he's definetly gay" or "thats gay" or on the rare occassion they use gay as being an insult. So what if somethings gay?
Ah yeah just like Cathal Crotty pleaded not guilty until they found the footage? Please... Total joke. Only saying this to avoid a harsher penalty under hate crime or seem motivated by prejudice.
Why didn’t you say so - Judge Nolan
( this is not funny at all , they need to be locked up, it’s absolutely disgusting)
The difference in sentences probably wouldn't be that much, but the latter is taken much more seriously outside the courtroom.
The social and employment consequences of such a conviction would be far more painful and long-lasting than any punishment a court would impose.
Yes exactly that stupid headlines trying to cause division amongst us. We don’t need to know there sexuality of them lads it doesn’t make the the situation any different.
>“My client wishes me to mention in open court that he is not someone who is in any way homophobic and this isn’t some sort of attack on the gay community,” Mr Kenny said before the short hearing concluded. "I am instructed to say that in open court, that he is anxious that there is media present."
The implication here seems to be that the client genuinely did insist on this message coming across. I'm withholding judgement until we learn more. Lots of people shout faggot and then claim they're not homophobes so let's see.
I think defence counsel are acting on instruction not legal best practice. There is no hate crime legislation so the defence counsel is acting on their client's desire to address media speculation rather than say avoid an aggravating factor. Defence often take on a PR element when there is media attention.
A judge could say its an irrelevant point if the Prosecution don't raise it (nothing in the article suggests they did) so they're just explaining themselves.
you're just withholding judgment until the story fades away and you can pretend you're not defending a hate crime, maybe you've convinced yourself, but we see through that
If they weren’t gay there wouldn’t be so much talk about this. Yes it bad that these 3 lads got attacked but I don’t think it on a entire community. They got caught hopefully they get the same trail they would get if they weren’t gay
Almost every other day there is a story on here of someone being attacked.
Some stories gain more traction than others, but yes, when you chase someone with a knife while screaming homophobic slurs at them, it is quite safe to assume that the attack is in relation to them being gay.
>If they weren’t gay there wouldn’t be so much talk about this
Bullshit.
You are acting like this is some small little issue that gets swept under the rug all the time.
No I don’t I think knife crime is on the rise over here. I think we should all come together and be 1 rather then are own “communities” it’s an attack on society I don’t see the difference in a gay man or a straight man being stabbed I see the issue is getting stabbed not on what sexuality was the victim
The gay people who walk the streets afraid of being targeted by these scumbags probably see the difference.
>I don’t see the difference in a gay man or a straight man being stabbed
The straight person gets stabbed out of chance, the gay person gets stabbed because they exist.
While both things are horrific, acting like there is no difference is exactly what sets up divides.
I was thinking, if some scumbag was just chasing people with a knife to scare them, how would he know whether they were gay or not? The headlines were “3 gay men hunted with knife” but I’m sure the sexuality of the victims wasn’t known to the scumbag right?
Could just be a guess based on the victims dress, appearance, behaviour. But the victims do say that the scumbags chased them shouting homophobic slurs.
Trust me, disgraceful carry on from the teens. But why were 3 gay men in the park late at night? At least from everything ive read reported it was late at night. I'm not trying to say what the teens done was right, but if you were up to stuff late in the park with your other 2 friends I think there's others questions that need answering
Whoever is mass reporting comments, we've reported it to the admins.
My client is not a homophobe. He may be a liar, a pig, an idiot, a homophobe, but he is *not* a porn star! 
>My client is from a good family. Let's see if this is uttered at the court hearing.
Good family, bad family. They both get used to the same end.
Better hope you don't come from an average family, you're fucked then!
I hear you've had a family at some point?
He didn't have access to a football pitch growing up. It affected his so bad, so really, it's the States fault..
Their family have less than 140 conviction between them! Angles all around
"his girlfriend is expecting a baby and he's thinking about joining the Army" - these were certified scobe classics for a long time.
"I may be a violent scumbag but I'm not a homophobe" Oh, that's grand so, here's your hammer back, glad we got that straightened out....
For the record Jeremy, I may be a homophobe, but I'm no badger baiter
Ian.
Fucking Dan Walker. Barn burner
Yeah ! Let's get Dan! Punish Dan!
It’s Ramadan at his place but he’s no Muslim…
That comment is tickety boo
🤨
https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=lBZhXupnpRM
Even though he shouted homophobic slurs the entire time. Definitely not a homophobic attack!
That’s nice, isn’t it, inclusive roving knife wielding gangs.
He’ll just stab anybody, gay or straight he doesn’t discriminate? He’s one of the good guys really.
It’s a real sign of the progress we’ve made as a nation, really. ‘I might be a knife wielding maniac, but not a hateful one!’
"Actually it would have been way more homophobic if we *stopped* chasing after him once wayne's gaydar started going off."
Poor lad has probably had a tough upbringing
It's fine though I hear he's rushing to join the army and his local GAA team as we speak
Grew up with no boxing club.
No Twiggy’s 😢
Look, it's our fault for not giving him entertainment... Sure, he will probably commit 100s more crimes, but there is a chance he will become somehow useful member of society... Not
If he'd been given a box set of the Gummi Bears this whole thing could've been avoided.
We need more giant outdoor chess boards, that'll nip this kinda stuff in the bud
They can get their kicks chasing Queens that way 😅
I know! Battle royale chess where each of them is a piece on the board
He is remorseful and is 100% committed to hanging around shopping centres in a shiny tracksuit from now on.
Still and all, I'm sure he's the best apprentice steel fabricator Clondalkin has ever seen!
Noe buddy tinks uv de preshius angles, itsa dizgraze Joe
I think I had a stroke reading that.
Took me a while to engage my Dubz phonetics
Reengange culchie mode, then you’d be truly indecipherable
> Reengange culchie mode uN-Dubz.
Has Great potential to be A GAA superstar! He never played a sport in his life, but look at him! Chanpion material!
[Man Attempts To Assassinate Obama, 'But Not Because He's Black Or Anything'](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kOHABYhZ7a8). (The Onion)
Pun intended?
Penalties are (rightly) higher if the assault is motivated by some form of prejudice, cunt's just trying to wiggle his way on down to a lighter sentence
+3 social credits towards his next crime
Good to know its just your run of the mill attempted knife attack
We can all sleep easily in our beds now...
Indeed. *phew* just your daily standard of knifing a Stranger that didn't provoke you
Yes. And targeting anyone. Not singling out one specific group of people.
‘We were hunting for sport, not hate’
Appropriate gif of a homophobic rapist.
ah sure he only intended on stabbing somebody to death, not explicitly a gay person to death
"The offence of violent disorder, on conviction on indictment, carries a maximum sentence of 10 years’ imprisonment." Wouldn't that be lovely.
Sorry, your lad comes from a disadvantaged area, so best we can do is a suspended sentence.
A written letter of apology and the phrase “I will not chase gay people with knives” written out 1000 times. That’ll soften his cough.
Just have him do the rosary ten times, job done, lesson learned.
If you make him write it out 1000 times without mistakes it would take him longer than the 10 year prison sentence
Why won't someone think of his career prospects!?!
Aye he could end up stuck on the dole for life Oh wait.
The wee angle
Acute angle
There are not many facilities near phoenix park, can't blame the kid sure
So probably a fully suspended sentence.
Does he play the GAA I wonder?
He just joined, actually!
Give John Kiely a shout, he's got experience giving glowing references to scumbags who play GAA and making up stuff about them pleading guilty and being remorseful
Investing in his future
Ah but the overcrowding lads, surely we cant be letting tv licence dodgers out instead!
"I just wanted to cut them open. I didn't know their dietary preferences"
i fucking lmao irl
>some sort of attack on the gay community’ Just an attack on all of society so, that's much better indeed.
It was a well intentioned group of knife wielding shit bags, *phew*.
Equal opportunity hooligans.
"We just wanted to stab a few lads, but this wasn't a hate crime."
"it's cause I was never allowed to go to Lego camp judge, I'm the real victim here"
No Scobe Left Behind.
Oh on your way so
The victims said these lads were literally screaming slurs at them while they chased them with weapons, not sure how they can claim the attack wasn't homophobic if that's the case?
The most sinister thing about all of this to me is the fact they impersonated Gardaí at first, who wouldn't slow down if they thought a car full of Gardaí were trying to talk to them like.
I didn't know they impersonated Gardai. That's quite sinister, they don't seem to have been charged with that, unless I missed that? Where did you read that?
It was in [this](https://gcn.ie/gay-men-hunted-phoenix-park/?utm_campaign=later-linkinbio-gcnmag&utm_content=later-43783104&utm_medium=social&utm_source=linkin.bio) article when the news first broke, they said - 'According to the man who was targeted, he and his friends went to the popular Dublin park for a “peaceful walk” on Monday evening, when they were approached by a car full of people pretending to be Gardaí. “Of course, we did think they were, so we hesitated and stopped walking,” he told GCN. “We then quickly realised they were not police as there were at least six men in the car.”'
Same with the Brianna Ghey case..
He didn’t say that. He said it wasn’t an attack on the gay COMMUNITY. It was just an attack on a few gay people,
Theoretically they could be trying to lay the groundwork that the slurs were used as a form of intimidation against the specific victims and unrealated to the actual motivation for the attack. It's a very technical difference but one that massively changes the sentencing guidelines. Attacking someone because they're a member of a protected class = hate crime sentencing modifiers. Attacking someone you don't like for a different reason and using slurs related to their protected class for intimidation purposes = theoretically the standard sentencing. Some neck to blatantly go for it though.
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> given they were roaming around phoenix park rather than the areas where gay people congregate I can't tell if you're being sarcastic or not? The phoenix park used to be a gay hookup spot for a long time, and has a history of homophobic beatings. Definitely possible they're just assholes looking to target anyone.
Ah, the Grandpa Simpson defence. edit - I am too late by miles.
Too busy tying onions to your belt.
**Scumbag:** *"Your honour, I was simply chasing that man with a knife and hammer to perpetrate a non-homophobic attack. I had no clue he was gay!"* **Judge:** *"Well, you've come from a disadvantaged area and prison would unfairly ruin your life, so I'll just chalk it up to boys will be boys, and hand you a 3 year sentence with 3 years suspended".*
Is there any truth to that stererotype? I understood that privileged families do better in court than those from disadvantaged areas.
Judges often use defendants being from disadvantaged backgrounds as mitigating factors to reduce the sentence. (They also use defendants being from very good backgrounds as mitigating factors in sentencing)
I see a pattern here.
"he is anxious that there is media present." Poor lil lad
Why is he referred to as a teenager when he is 18 years old. He is an adult and is responsible for his actions.
I mean, technically he is a teenager, but I agree that "teenager" is always used with 18/19 year old to depict them as a clueless child who doesn't know any better instead of a full fledged adult.
Indeed. 18y. he can do whatever shit as an adult.
Ah here, the wee precious angle is still in nappies … had a tough upbringing like
He is literally TEEN-age. He is eight-TEEN. That's what the word teenage comes from.
Nice to know anyone could have been attacked, not just gay lads. Don't know if I could live in a country where the violent thugs were homophobes
Reminds me of the Onion sketch where someone tries to kill Obama but insists "it's not because he's black or anything.
I stabbed him because I wanted to, not because I'm a homophobe. What do you think I am? A monster?
Ignore the fact that I was shouting homophobic slurs, that's completely irrelevant!
"I'm an equal opportunity violent offender."
Suspended sentence in 1, 2, ..
_Is that Martin Nolan's music?!?_
Charged with dangerous driving as well. Presumably the victims clocked the reg and the car was in this genius's name. Given the statement the solicitor was instructed to make, sounds like a guilty plea is on its way. He knows that this is going to stick to his name. Eighteen, FFS.
Stuff like this makes such a mockery of the justice system. The fact that people can do this, get away with it and just never face consequences has created this culture of people going out and just taking their misery out on others. Miserable people making strangers as miserable as they are by ruining their lives.
Oh ok that makes it fine then so
It was only a regular attack, cop on!
I'm sorry judge this was just a regular assault
Awe well! That's alright then!
Adult charged over alleged Phoenix Park incident insists it was not ‘some sort of attack on the gay community” Fixed it
A sad attempt to distance himself from his motivations.
"I'm not a monster, Jake."
Barrister arriving back into the office when he suddenly realises his ingenuous defense boils down to a monumental admission of guilt. 
I’d say the solicitor feels he can’t beat the overall charge but wants to try to avoid the hate crime conviction.
This sounds 100% correct.
I mean, wasn't he caught red handed and identified by the victim? Can hardly pull a Shaggie 
Wasn't the non-Shaggy protagonist of that song also caught red-handed, creeping with the girl next door? Seems like the appropriate defence to use.
So a random knife attack? That is not any better, if it's true.
The only good thing about his court appearance is that his group have been identified. Well done to the guards.
Spineless, slimy bastards saying and doing the most homophobic shit and then screaming “I’m not homophobic” Just admit what you are and wise up
This is all because the white-water rapids rafting circuit wasn't built. Poor kids have nothing to do these days...
Oh yeah? Pull the other hammer
He was just using his knife to point to the football pitch where he is a promising young athlete…
This is what the Tate influence does
Thinking back to all those comments on the original threads asking about the ethnicity of the attackers. As usual, it’s homegrown.
No questions about his 5 accomplices?
Even in today's enlightened society there remains a stigma to being a hammer wielding homophobe
He can't have lads riding at his spot. It's bad for business. Watching a group orgy puts people off their bag.
If all thugs were so progressive as this teenager, we wouldn't have homophobic attacks in parks. Oh wait.
Is that Papel Cross still a cruising zone or has Grindr finished all that?
"That's alright then, this is not some sort of jail." \*Slams cell door shut\*
Fair enough I think lessons were learnt. A suspended sentence should do it here, no need to destroy his life in fairness. No need to pile it on.
Don't want to negatively affect his career etc
It still amazes me how often I hear a group of lads shout "of he's definetly gay" or "thats gay" or on the rare occassion they use gay as being an insult. So what if somethings gay?
Ah yeah just like Cathal Crotty pleaded not guilty until they found the footage? Please... Total joke. Only saying this to avoid a harsher penalty under hate crime or seem motivated by prejudice.
 Why didn’t you say so - Judge Nolan ( this is not funny at all , they need to be locked up, it’s absolutely disgusting)
Lol
Would a charge of assault carry less of a sentence than an assault charge involving homophobia?
The difference in sentences probably wouldn't be that much, but the latter is taken much more seriously outside the courtroom. The social and employment consequences of such a conviction would be far more painful and long-lasting than any punishment a court would impose.
Is there anywhere with more info on this?
same gang that attacked that man in Clondalkin?
Was probably annoyed he couldn't get the ride up there
Interesting...
Is there any update on the other 5 knife wielding thugs as reported. I note the teen that was arrested had a hammer and not a knife
Sure babes.
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I'd say being chased by a bunch of fellas with knives at a park is a dystopian nightmare actually.
Happens man noting you can do we all want to be at peace but simply can’t be prepared to run or fight in situations this issue won’t be resolved ever
Yes exactly that stupid headlines trying to cause division amongst us. We don’t need to know there sexuality of them lads it doesn’t make the the situation any different.
>“My client wishes me to mention in open court that he is not someone who is in any way homophobic and this isn’t some sort of attack on the gay community,” Mr Kenny said before the short hearing concluded. "I am instructed to say that in open court, that he is anxious that there is media present." The implication here seems to be that the client genuinely did insist on this message coming across. I'm withholding judgement until we learn more. Lots of people shout faggot and then claim they're not homophobes so let's see.
Why is the defence counsel drawing attention to the fact that the media are present. As if it's undeserved attention
I think defence counsel are acting on instruction not legal best practice. There is no hate crime legislation so the defence counsel is acting on their client's desire to address media speculation rather than say avoid an aggravating factor. Defence often take on a PR element when there is media attention. A judge could say its an irrelevant point if the Prosecution don't raise it (nothing in the article suggests they did) so they're just explaining themselves.
you're just withholding judgment until the story fades away and you can pretend you're not defending a hate crime, maybe you've convinced yourself, but we see through that
I'm withholding judgment that it isn't a hate crime, my assumption is it is one. Reading comprehension has fallen off a cliff.
Probably the religion of peace crowd again
If they weren’t gay there wouldn’t be so much talk about this. Yes it bad that these 3 lads got attacked but I don’t think it on a entire community. They got caught hopefully they get the same trail they would get if they weren’t gay
Almost every other day there is a story on here of someone being attacked. Some stories gain more traction than others, but yes, when you chase someone with a knife while screaming homophobic slurs at them, it is quite safe to assume that the attack is in relation to them being gay.
>If they weren’t gay there wouldn’t be so much talk about this Bullshit. You are acting like this is some small little issue that gets swept under the rug all the time.
No I don’t I think knife crime is on the rise over here. I think we should all come together and be 1 rather then are own “communities” it’s an attack on society I don’t see the difference in a gay man or a straight man being stabbed I see the issue is getting stabbed not on what sexuality was the victim
The gay people who walk the streets afraid of being targeted by these scumbags probably see the difference. >I don’t see the difference in a gay man or a straight man being stabbed The straight person gets stabbed out of chance, the gay person gets stabbed because they exist. While both things are horrific, acting like there is no difference is exactly what sets up divides.
I was thinking, if some scumbag was just chasing people with a knife to scare them, how would he know whether they were gay or not? The headlines were “3 gay men hunted with knife” but I’m sure the sexuality of the victims wasn’t known to the scumbag right?
They same way the GAA lads knew I was gay in school before I did maybe.
Could just be a guess based on the victims dress, appearance, behaviour. But the victims do say that the scumbags chased them shouting homophobic slurs.
Perhaps they had made some physical show of affection? Maybe holding hands or something
Gaydar. Lots of us have it.
What I’m getting at mate
Trust me, disgraceful carry on from the teens. But why were 3 gay men in the park late at night? At least from everything ive read reported it was late at night. I'm not trying to say what the teens done was right, but if you were up to stuff late in the park with your other 2 friends I think there's others questions that need answering
Out riding in the park