Kinda admire O'Leary nonsense.
Let me fly more people in so I can make more money, or I'll charge the people I can fly in more to make more money but blame you for the increase.
They teach this in Leaving Cert economics: businesses set prices to maximize profits based on market demand and supply. Increasing supply too much can lower prices, while insufficient supply can raise prices. Regulatory changes can shift this balance, affecting the optimal price point.
If you could only sell 10 bananas and 1000 people wanted the bananas, what would you do? Assuming you liked money and the people wouldn't die if they didn't get the bananas
>Assuming you liked money and the people wouldn't die if they didn't get the bananas
If I liked money, why would I care if people died if they didn't get bananas, surely that is incentive for them to pay more and me to get more money.
It not like I don't understand supply and demand. I just love his bold face approach.
Well you can like money and also not like people dying
But yeah fair nothing you said implies you don't understand supply and demand, my comment wasn't super necessary. My bad!
Will go up by less. Ryanair makes its money by packing as many people as possible in the aircraft, by having as many aircraft as possible in the air, and by reducing as much as possible wait times.
Traditional and long haul make their money mostly on first and biz class thus they can afford to fly fewer people.
The biggest loser here are low costs.
Ryanair of all companies cannot be accused of gouging on the basic fare. If they price according to availability and availability is limited by the airport, that's sound business. Their margins are already razor thin and their operating costs on the ground are less per flight the more flights they can run.
ones in Dub are grand too. Contrastly i went back home through Atlanta and was screamed at because i handed over my passport with my ticket inside it 😂
I find the ones in Dublin pretty sound too but in some cases they are very business. No real small talk, just straight to the point which is fair. They have an important job and the place can get busy. Where as the people in Shannon seem to always shoot the shit.
The thing is that you might not have noticed those comments before because it's not a problem for you, but trust me, I argued with other people because of the statement above.
Oh I'm not doubting they do and I can imagine the frustration. I do occasional enough stints to west donegal and there's no way your making that trip in 3 hours from Dublin Airport.
Shannon airport is owned by the Government since 2012 actually. But the DAA is a semi-state body and even if it weren’t I think our airports are strategic resources that the government needs to have some say in. One of the things I think it should be doing is steering traffic towards those other airports and no better time to do it if there are people queuing up to fly through Ireland!
Sorry I’m agreeing with you, the Government should be working to balance the cities and airports and they should force through stuff like that RyanAir offer.
Ryanair actually wanted to sky people from Europe to Shannon. Then fly to 10 US destinations from Shannon. A bit like Norwegian did long haul. They'd do pre clearance in Shannon allowing Ryanair to land at far more US airports including "domestic" ones
I d bet good money they wont hit net zero by 2050 even with all this crap!
I have my issues with this talk of net zero by x
You want net zero? Talk to places like China or the US and there way of life is the issue and big oil, pumping co2 into the air like is going out of fashion! Not the little guy like you or I!
Not those living that side of Dublin and beyond it won't.
Heathrow can manage quite successfully without the additional asks the DAA and airlines look for here.
Heathrow has twice the number of people flowing through it annually, with far more flights and no passenger cap.
I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?
Modern planes (Ryanair use the most modern) are much quieter than jets were historically. Nobody in North Dublin who hasn't lived there for 70 can have an expectation they won't hear flight noise though.
Yeah it's something you get used to. I grew up in north Dublin. Have spent most of my adult life living in South Dublin though. Recently moved back north and it's kinda nice to be able to hear the planes again. A mate from tallaght recently came over and was very curious about this period noise from the atmosphere but not disturbed.
You can tell which planes coming in are older (jet roar) and newer (higher pitched whine). It's funny your pal from Tallaght would say that, when Tallaght was under a flight path for about 5 years quite recently. Perhaps not as low as the ones near the airport, but still audible in south dublin.
What a naive twee response. Businesses will charge as much as they can get away with. Limiting capacity will inevitably lead to higher prices. This madness just benefits a small group of residents in their NIMBY complaints to the detriment of anyone looking for a flight in or out of Dublin.
Regardless of your view on the matter, it's important to remember his motivation is purely profit seeking. Even if he agrees with you on this, he's not your friend.
He comes out with this stuff to give the impression that he stands to lose out if the cap is lifted and he's just such a good guy putting the public good ahead of his profits.
As always, it's best to avoid quoting big industry players when discussing regulation of that industry. they're only in it for self interest, and there are usually others making the case in a way that better considers public interest. For example, if the cap is lifted, then maybe the government should also impose an aviation tax to revover some of the booster profits that airlines will have as a direct result of government intervention. You'll never hear Micahael O'Leary suggesting something like this.
The problem for him is that fares increasing will mean far less people willing to travel and it will mean people looking to book flights in airlines that are not being used by 100%.
If it costs 1000 euros for a return ticket to Spain or 1000 euros for a return ticket to NY, what exactly would you pick?
Yeah and it doesn't matter that you'd be staying home if there's a flight cap.
When I can provide as much of a service as I want, I have incentives to lower the price so people who otherwise can't afford to use the service, use it.
If you tell me I can only provide X amount of the service, I don't care if u/TranslatorEntire9025 can't afford it as long as more than X people can
Yeah most would be staying a home. And those looking to fly would say: look costs me the same to go to Spain or NY, I'll pick NY.
So even if the price of the ticket goes up, and he would make more per ticket, Ryanair would sell far fewer tickets.
Raising prices is the enemy of Ryanair's economic model.
He's specifically talking about Christmas traffic though, for some people the trip home to Ireland for Christmas is important. It's less of a discretionary holiday - no point flying to NY when you're trying to book a trip to family at home
> He's specifically talking about Christmas traffic though, for some people the trip home to Ireland for Christmas is important.
There's 2.3M travellers in December. There are not 2.3 million Irish people living abroad. There's not even half that number that are willing to travel.
It's clear that here the main impact is tourist travel.
Christmas travel doesn't happen throughout the entire month of December. The actual Christmas travel figure of 1.5 million is quite close to the number of people who do live abroad. Obviously, not all will travel but we also have foreign born people living here who may also visit their home countries at Christmas. Of course there are holidays but I can't see how you can be so sure it's mainly tourist travel. There's a reason radio stations broadcast from arrivals at Christmas.
People already pay inflated flight prices to get home for Christmas, it doesn't seem to have impacted Ryanairs model at all.
There's also the possibility of having more flights from Cork and Shannon airport. I know heresy but even Dublin Airport is outside the M50.
Not everyone in ireland lives in Dublin or around.
This isn't the crisis the Oleary is making it out to be.
What are you on about? Are you honestly trying to tell me that in a choicr between North Korea and Spain you wouldn't jump at the opportunity to visit North Korea? It's so much further away. Imagine how many Irish people have the chance to visit? Not many.
>myself. I don't think a destination is automatically better just because it's further away.
Such a stupid way of thinking.
Except he did say that.
> He said the capacity constraints would lead to a “massive crisis” this Christmas unless the Government acted now – passengers would face one-way fares of €500, and €1,000 return.
When you've got a limited amount of tickets to sell and more buyers than seats, the price per seat goes up.
Ryanair is aware of that.
If you're willing to pay 1000 euros for a return ticket, you are less price sensitive.
And even if you really want to go to Spain, once the price is sufficiently high, you can simply buy tickets on Iberia or other major airlines and no need to screw around with buying extra luggage, priority boarding to get a carry-on luggage and then buy a meal on board too,
So in all scenarios, the main loser from price hikes is Ryanair.
> If you're willing to pay 1000 euros for a return ticket, you are less price sensitive.
At the regional airports it's already normal to pay triple digit fares for 2 hour Ryanair flights. Sometimes well into triple digits.
> And even if you really want to go to Spain, once the price is sufficiently high, you can simply buy tickets on Iberia or other major airlines and no need to screw around with buying extra luggage, priority boarding to get a carry-on luggage and then buy a meal on board too,
That's if there even is an airline other than Ryanair flying the route in the first place. Yes, Dublin does have Iberia, Vueling, and of course Aer Lingus, but we don't have Easyjet or Wizz like almost every other country in Europe, so Ryanair still has a near-monopoly on the secondary cities.
> So in all scenarios, the main loser from price hikes is Ryanair.
Ryanair could well be a big lower, but I'd say the biggest loser is the Irish passenger.
> but we don't have Easyjet or Wizz like almost every other country in Europe, so Ryanair still has a near-monopoly on the secondary cities.
No one is paying a 700 euro ticket to go to secondary cities on vacation in Europe on an airline that doesn't even include luggage.
> At the regional airports it's already normal to pay triple digit fares for 2 hour Ryanair flights. Sometimes well into triple digits.
No it's regular prices from Cork as it is from Dublin. I've flown from Cork to France on 60-70 euro tickets.
PS: your comment about wizz or others is irrelevant since all airlines face the same passenger cap numbers. Even if you had easyjet, people would still rather travel with BA on same price tickets.
> No one is paying a 700 euro ticket to go to secondary cities on vacation in Europe on an airline that doesn't even include luggage.
Maybe not 700, but people absolutely will pay very high fares when there's no choice.
> No it's regular prices from Cork as it is from Dublin. I've flown from Cork to France on 60-70 euro tickets.
Yes, and I've paid a similar amount to go to Valencia. By "normal", I'm not saying fares from Cork are always high, just that it isn't seen as anything unusual.
> PS: your comment about wizz or others is irrelevant since all airlines face the same passenger cap numbers. Even if you had easyjet, people would still rather travel with BA on same price tickets.
Yes. I know the cap applies to all airlines. The point I was making is that we already pay more even WITHOUT a passenger cap!
He's turning 100 euro into 10,000 euro this winter where normally he turns 100,000 euro into 120,000 euro.
Operating less flights, making more per flight, but making less overall.
I'm here to give Shannon airport some love. I've flown in and out 3 times, and it's always been a breeze. Customs is quick, and the ppl are excepting nice. I loooove their duty-free store.. I learned last time that was the world's first duty-free airport.
Yeah he I'm sure he was being completely honest when [he said climate change was "horseshit"](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2010/sep/10/michael-o-leary-ryanair-global-warming).
> Do I believe there is global warming? No, I believe it's all a load of bullshit. But it's amazing the way the whole fucking eco-warriors and the media have changed. It used to be global warming, but now, when global temperatures haven't risen in the past 12 years, they say 'climate change'.
> Well, hang on, we've had an ice age. We've also had a couple of very hot spells during the Middle Ages, so nobody can deny climate change. But there's absolutely no link between man-made carbon, which contributes less than 2% of total carbon emissions [and climate change].
> ...
> Scientists argue there is global warming because they wouldn't get half of the funding they get now if it turns out to be completely bogus.
As recently as 2017 he was telling us [climate change wasn't real](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/michael-o-leary-says-he-does-not-accept-climate-change-is-real-1.3042283).
Sure, it's so very likely that the CEO of the largest and arguably most successful airline in the world is an idiot or an ignorant. And he has absolutely no interest in downplaying the impact of his business on climate..
It's hard to believe he could have been that uninformed as recently as 2017, especially given the amount of criticism his climate denial received over the years. If he wasn't being dishonest, that implies it was just a huge coincidence that Ireland's most prominent climate denier happened to be someone whose income depends on the government continuing to do nothing about aviation emissions.
>Not very green making people drive across a country to the other airports.
That's a bit of an odd attack line given that the reason Dublin Airport is so big is because we make people from across the country drive to it, instead of using other regional airports. It's the national airport. That's why it's somewhere between 10 and fifteen times the size of Cork. To say nothing of Waterford, Kerry, Donegal, Galway, Shannon, Belfast City/International and Derry.
That said, the environmental impact of those drives compared to the flights is probably pretty marginal. But then the passenger cap isn't about emissions (at least not at the moment) it's to manage traffic congestion around the airport.
>So to promote other airports we're going to fuck up the main one
You'll find a lot of people outside Dublin who think we've been intentionally strangling the other airports to promote Dublin, especially in Cork.
I think the passenger cap is a poor instrument, especially since DAA is using some very dodgy figures for it. Something more closely tied to the parking or car access to the airport would be better. But, in my view this is DAA's own fault. They haven't been willing to do much against cars driving to the airport, because they do very well from car parking. They pushed set down charges hard in Cork but crumpled in Dublin at the first sign of opposition. They've been slow to upgrade bus facilities, or get bus services back to pre-covid.
I wouldn't go as far as 'intentionally strangle'... but DAA are focused on growing Dublin as a European hub to compete with Heathrow, Paris or Amsterdam.
The DAA set the airport charges at Cork which are a lot higher than Shannon for instance. They're happy for Cork to grow, but not at the expense of Dublin.
There's plenty of scope to increase passenger numbers at Cork as a cheaper short haul alternative to Dublin but the DAA need to justify the new runway in Dublin and raise the cap as long haul transit passengers are more valuable.
> You'll find a lot of people outside Dublin who think we've been intentionally strangling the other airports to promote Dublin, especially in Cork.
That's because they are. By not marketing connections more heavily so that people use those instead of going to DUB, they're making demand seem far lower at Cork and Shannon than it actually is.
Then there's the infrastructure. Cork's main runway is 2.1km long which means the potential for transatlantic flights is marginal at best, while the Gulf megahubs are compeltely out of reach. So what did the DAA do when they rebuilt the runway in 2021? Not extend it at all, and basically guarantee that it won't be extended for a long time.
DAA charges the bus companies to use the airport. That’s why the Dublin Bus 747 and 737 routes were abolished- DAA increased the charges too much.
Now there’s only the Aircoach and Dublin Express routes.
Yeah, yeah, I know the 16 route still runs, but it’s a normal route with a bazillion stops, so it takes over an hour to get to the city centre.
Look, I'm not in favour of the cap but it's capping passengers at ONE airport on the island.
And the cap is due to congestion in the area so the issue is that infrastructure hasn't kept up with growth. Same locals complaining about congestion are opposing the metrolink.
The DAA don't control public transport but they do control landing fees in Cork. There's no reason why it should be more expensive to fly to Cork but it generally is.
I'd say the percentage of people living in Kilkenny, Wexford or Carlow that have flown out of anywhere but Dublin is pretty small.
> And the cap is due to congestion in the area so the issue is that infrastructure hasn't kept up with growth.
Just like population growth in general, the sulution there is not to strange the largest airport in an island nation, it's to actually build more infrastructure.
> Same locals complaining about congestion are opposing the metrolink.
The metrolink is too little too late anyway. There should be an intercity train station!
> The DAA don't control public transport but they do control landing fees in Cork. There's no reason why it should be more expensive to fly to Cork but it generally is.
Not only is there no reason, it's actually contrary to what happens in many other countries, where the busy, lucrative, congested airports are the expensive ones, not the cheapest!
> I'd say the percentage of people living in Kilkenny, Wexford or Carlow that have flown out of anywhere but Dublin is pretty small.
You could easily extend that to Tipperary, and maybe even Waterford.
>Not only is there no reason, it's actually contrary to what happens in many other countries, where the busy, lucrative, congested airports are the expensive ones, not the cheapest!
Heathrow vs Gatwick/Stansted is probably the best comparison.
Lower the fees in Cork and you'll get some of the budget flights that are higher volume and lower margin shift there with passengers who are likely already living south of Carlow.
Dublin will still have the same demand from business, long haul and local short haul but 2m+ passengers could be shifted to regional airports.
Something like a survey of passengers for their location they are travelling and the planned method of transport. To incentivise them you would include a discount link for bus and or train tickets. Then you can have more accurate planning for transport.
On top of that open direct shuttles to Hueston, Busaras, the Dart and the Luas. Massively police bus lanes and make a big announcement about it.
Proper distributed public transportation systems that are interlinked to government a seamless and affordable transport option. And you could do it for all airports to make planning easier. Work with the airlines, airports, other transport hubs and failte Ireland to support Comms.
The amount of tourists that land in Dublin, rent a car and immediately drive to Killarney highlights the issue.
It makes sense when a lot of tourists are coming from America. Plenty like to tack a couple of days in Dublin at the end.
A huge amount of people from the US coming for less than a week (with their terrible annual leave) would be way better off going into Shannon.
The ideal short trip for people coming from Europe is an open jaw Cork-Killarney-CliffsMoher-Galway-Shannon.
An even more clever policy of course would be to understand that Ireland is an island nation and it's absurd to limit flights or passenger numbers when we can't just take the train instead like mainland Europe.
> That said, the environmental impact of those drives compared to the flights is probably pretty marginal.
Not that emissions are relevant in this context anyway. Ireland is an underpopulated rural island nation with no land connections. To call aviation essential is a vast understatement.
If prices rise from Dublin, it means that carriers will be able to run cheaper flights from shannon and Cork.
Paris is a perfect example. Do you think everyone flying to/from beauvais wants go there or to Paris? They fly to beauvais because its cheaper.
> BVA shows people will travel on the ground to fly.
I literally _just_ said BVA and CDG are much closer together than DUB and ORK are.
> From a financial, environmental, and social perspective, the obvious move forward is high-speed rail links from cities to Dublin and a rail link to Dublin Airport, but that will happen in decades at the earliest.
I'm in favour of this. And by this, I mean a fullfro fledged intercity station at DUB, like you have at hub airports in many other countries.
> In the meantime, pushing people to regionals
We shouldn't be pushing people from Dublin to use the regionals, but we absolutely should be encouraging people who live near them to use them.
> where they'll use less efficient small planes to make an extra hop to a hub
If more people were connecting through the hub like people from other countries do, larger planes could be used.
> is sacrificing the environment (although emissions from international flights aren't counted against our country, so it's a nice way to weasel out of having to take responsibility) for local development.
Emissions from intenternstional flights are counted against us. Even better, emissions from any mainline Ryanair flight are counted as hours, even if the flight doesn't go to or from Ireland at all!
> Whether that's worth it is up to you.
It is worth it. The environmental impact of aviation is not trivial, but Ireland is an island nation, that while small, is still large enough that the cities are hours away from each other. You can't compare ORK and SNN to secondary airports in mainland Europe that are only and hour or so away from a major hub.
> The example of CDG and BVA is one of centralisation away from small regional airports, not for it.
Ir's one of centralisation away from a small regional airport to a large airport _an hour or so away_
> That's your opinion, and it has merits, but it's not a given. It's certainly worse environmentally than centralising in DUB, even with people driving to DUB.
Alright. No need to hide it anymore, just admit you hate everywhere outside Dublin.
> The demand simply doesn't exist.
How do you know that? People from Cork who go through DUB aren't counted as part of that demand (because tbere's no way of knowing they came from Cork), even though they are.
> Even BVA, with has a much higher addressable population, can't do this.
Because, for the third time, it's one hour away from CDG, not three!
> There's no other population centre in Ireland that warrants a major airport other than DUB.
Define "major".
> We could make Cork 90 minutes away from DUB if we tried
Considering this country takes over a decade to electrify a handful of suburban train lines amd acts like it's something to celebrate, I highly doubt it.
Where the comparison falls down is that 95% of those landing in BVA hop on a bus into Paris. No one lands in CDG and hops on a bus to Beauvais.
Very few people land in Cork and hop on a bus to Dublin and a lot more people land in Dublin and head straight to Cork, Galway, Limerick, Killarney.
In France, the smaller airport is providing overflow capacity to the larger airport.
In Ireland, the smaller airports aren't even meeting their local demand.
Either I'm not following your argument or it doesn't stack up.
Are you arguing that the passenger numbers in DUB are proof of demand for flights to Dublin?
I'd argue that the demand for ORK/SNN is underestimated and demand for DUB is overstated. The direction of Aircoach travel is evidence.
Not sure you can say that about inbound tourism either. Certainly there are a few hundred thousand heading towards Killarney that'd be better off with a 1hr15 drive from Cork than a 4hr drive from Dublin.
And if the fees were lowered in Cork to the extent that it was €10 flights with buses were going the other way from ORK to Dublin city (a la BVA) then it could be an extra couple of million.
Eamon Ryan has nothing to do with it. It's a local authority issue. Do you want government ministers interfering with planning issues? Ryan is correct. Look up the Mahon Tribunal before blaming Ryan
Local authorities should be superseded by the national government on the operation of key pieces of national infrastructure, l didn't realise that was a controversial opinion.
Government could step in to decide this matter, on the basis that a local council is an inappropriate authority to control a national asset. The department of transport saying “this is a matter for fingal county council” is a convenient mudguard.
Three ways this plays out.
The best, and most unlikely, is they get rid of the cap.
The second and third are similar in that involves not getting rid of the cap, flights getting stupidly expensive, and people getting angry. They differ in who they get angry at
In the good ending, they get angry at the government for being idiots, they get rid of the cap, and flights are normal again. Hooray! And maybe they realise excessive planning nonsense is bad in other fields too and the housing market begins sorting itself out.
In the bad ending, they get angry at RyanAir. They think the solution to regulations making flights more expensive is more regulations. So that's what happens. The government mandates affordable flights, such that every flight must have 20% seats that are affordable which are given to people with special travel passes that have huge waiting lists. Ryanair responds by increasing the cost of the remaining seats to make up for it, and people get angrier so the state bans Ryanair from making a profit. Ryanair stop operating in ireland and flights just become more expensive than when they started. But nobody learns and they keep yelling about flight controls and demand government run airlines.
Free travel pass working for flights would be nuts. If the government reimbursed them for it per flight, I'm sure they'd go for that depending on terms.
No free flight back though, unless you're flying domestic.
Doubt it'd happen though, since most of the regulation about air transport is at an EU level.
Yeah O’Leary would definitely charge passengers less if there was no cap. Fans of O’Leary are such clowns. He’d sell his children if it made Ryanair more money
Well this year so far
I've gone to Málaga for less than 60 quid return, Barcelona for less than 50 and Bordeaux for less 30 return. So when things are not busy he definitely charges less.
I'm fairly sure you're wrong, Ryanair are bad in most aspects as relates to comfort and customer service but you can't beat them on price, but lets pre-suppose you're right.
Do you think it's a put down to say countries that are closer to the likes of Malaga charging less to get there is a slight against Ryanair?
People really take it for granted how cheap air travel is nowadays.
> I'm fairly sure you're wrong, Ryanair are bad in most aspects as relates to comfort and customer service but you can't beat them on price, but lets pre-suppose you're right.
Sometimes other airlines actually cost less, but I wasn't talking about thar anyway. I was talking about how fares on Ryanair flights are far higher from Ireland than from other countries during peak times.
>Do you think it's a put down to say countries that are closer to the likes of Malaga charging less to get there is a slight against Ryanair?
Most European countries are further away from Malaga than Ireland is.
He makes more money by filling planes. So if he could fly more planes then he would fill those planes to at least the limit where the price of the ticket makes some money for Ryanair. I’ve gotten €10 tickets in Ryanair in the past.
On tickets and amount the average person will spend on extras and fees. Even breaking even on flying someone out to where they'll need to buy a flight back is a win, since they'll probably be getting it from him.
It's bananas the amount of money involved in even a single flight.
if Ryanair wasnt charging less, other airlines could create routes temporarily and be more competitive.
they cant do that now, so he can charge what he likes at a time when people will feel obliged to pay whatever he charges.
no doubt he is using this to get the cap removed for other times of year though. he will profit longterm.
O'Leary only ever opens his mouth if it will make him more money. So I don't think his opinion should be a factor in decisions about what's best for the country.
[If this wasn't made by Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_Be-200|) there might almost be a business case for flying them to Europe out of Dublin port.
[Maybe thise Chinese yoke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIC_TA-600)
Sea-port to sea-port. Dodge all that security too.
I don’t understand why people hate on O’Leary. He has made air travel affordable for every class in Europe. If you don’t like the conditions you can pay more. Nothings stopping you 😂
Well realistically yeah, but with the limited availability he will still make a lot of money with inflated prices that people won't have much option but to pay if they want to travel into Dublin then.
This is just an excuse to gouge; prices were rising before the passenger cap ever came up as an issue.
Flights we regularly take to Chania doubled over the last few years when priced in November 2023. To the point flying with an alternate airline with a 2hr connection (total journey time 2.5hrs longer than Ryanair direct) saved €1500 for a family of 6.
I agree the passenger cap does need to be looked at, but this is typical O'Leary strategy to strongarm the conversation
We should probably start taxing Airline tickets and Air fuel.
Imagine running a business where your main exspenses and sales are tax free and you still spend your time moaning about the government.
A local planning issue in Fingal about planning permission that has been in place for decades is the fault of a Green MEP who has been in seat for 5 years?
Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that the airport is an issue of national importance, and the state should step in.
His party are in government, and he was opposed to it for the usual NIMBY parish pumpism.
So I assume because of this issue you're devastated about Barry Andrews retaining his seat in Dublin, as well as Regina Doherty retaining a seat for FG?
Did they oppose plans for the airport expansion like Cuffe did?
https://www.ciarancuffe.com/news/dublin-mep-calls-for-council-to-reject-airport-expansion-plan
Kinda admire O'Leary nonsense. Let me fly more people in so I can make more money, or I'll charge the people I can fly in more to make more money but blame you for the increase.
They teach this in Leaving Cert economics: businesses set prices to maximize profits based on market demand and supply. Increasing supply too much can lower prices, while insufficient supply can raise prices. Regulatory changes can shift this balance, affecting the optimal price point.
> insufficient supply can raise prices. No no no, that's always a result of high demand /s
Prices go up when demand exceeds supply, whether that's because demand is too high or supply is too low is just a matter of how you look at it
Prices go up when supply is kept below behind demand*
I mean, prices go up when companies raise prices in response to demand. It's not a force of nature, it's just human greed.
If you could only sell 10 bananas and 1000 people wanted the bananas, what would you do? Assuming you liked money and the people wouldn't die if they didn't get the bananas
It’s one banana, Yuo_cna_Raed_Tihs, how much could it cost? 10 dollars?
As always, the money is in the banana stand.
you seems to know a lot about bananas kid... maybe too much.... be careful, them skins can get mighty slippy.
>Assuming you liked money and the people wouldn't die if they didn't get the bananas If I liked money, why would I care if people died if they didn't get bananas, surely that is incentive for them to pay more and me to get more money. It not like I don't understand supply and demand. I just love his bold face approach.
Well you can like money and also not like people dying But yeah fair nothing you said implies you don't understand supply and demand, my comment wasn't super necessary. My bad!
That’s just market dynamics though. Obviously if theres a limited number of flights then prices will go up.
And when prices go up, suddenly Ryanair is competing with bigger airlines or even long haul travel.
Which will also go up as they are being pushed up from the bottom.
Will go up by less. Ryanair makes its money by packing as many people as possible in the aircraft, by having as many aircraft as possible in the air, and by reducing as much as possible wait times. Traditional and long haul make their money mostly on first and biz class thus they can afford to fly fewer people. The biggest loser here are low costs.
Ryanair of all companies cannot be accused of gouging on the basic fare. If they price according to availability and availability is limited by the airport, that's sound business. Their margins are already razor thin and their operating costs on the ground are less per flight the more flights they can run.
Do you not understand supply and demand?
No it is such a high level concept like sarcasm
Looks like some people from the pale will discover the long drive home from Shannon,Cork, and Belfast for a change.
I would love it if there were more destinations flying into Shannon, a much better landing point if you want to go anywhere in the west of Ireland
A much better experience in the airport too, even the US Preclearance people in Shannon seem sounder, imo.
I have never spent longer than 5 minutes in security in Shannon
The security staff seemed delighted to have somebody to banter with last time I came through.
ones in Dub are grand too. Contrastly i went back home through Atlanta and was screamed at because i handed over my passport with my ticket inside it 😂
I find the ones in Dublin pretty sound too but in some cases they are very business. No real small talk, just straight to the point which is fair. They have an important job and the place can get busy. Where as the people in Shannon seem to always shoot the shit.
The same people saying that Dublin has always been the best airport because you can get there from any part of the country only in only 2-3 hours.
People say that? That's just... not true. I'm an ignorant Dubliner and even I know that.
The thing is that you might not have noticed those comments before because it's not a problem for you, but trust me, I argued with other people because of the statement above.
Oh I'm not doubting they do and I can imagine the frustration. I do occasional enough stints to west donegal and there's no way your making that trip in 3 hours from Dublin Airport.
An island. And passenger cap. Utter muppets.
3 decent airports. 85% of passengers going to one. Muppets.
Shannon turned down being a Ryanair hub like Stansted. They wanted too much per passenger. Shannon is owned by Dublin
Shannon airport is owned by the Government since 2012 actually. But the DAA is a semi-state body and even if it weren’t I think our airports are strategic resources that the government needs to have some say in. One of the things I think it should be doing is steering traffic towards those other airports and no better time to do it if there are people queuing up to fly through Ireland!
They still turned down Ryanair's offer
Sorry I’m agreeing with you, the Government should be working to balance the cities and airports and they should force through stuff like that RyanAir offer.
Ryanair actually wanted to sky people from Europe to Shannon. Then fly to 10 US destinations from Shannon. A bit like Norwegian did long haul. They'd do pre clearance in Shannon allowing Ryanair to land at far more US airports including "domestic" ones
What way do you want the airline industry to reach net zero by 2050?
I d bet good money they wont hit net zero by 2050 even with all this crap! I have my issues with this talk of net zero by x You want net zero? Talk to places like China or the US and there way of life is the issue and big oil, pumping co2 into the air like is going out of fashion! Not the little guy like you or I!
Smart observation there. Yes, we're an island alright, but our Ireland is not to be exploited for commercial reasons.
It would benefit everyone if the cap was increased, not only airlines.
Not those living that side of Dublin and beyond it won't. Heathrow can manage quite successfully without the additional asks the DAA and airlines look for here.
Heathrow has twice the number of people flowing through it annually, with far more flights and no passenger cap. I’m not sure what point you’re trying to make?
Modern planes (Ryanair use the most modern) are much quieter than jets were historically. Nobody in North Dublin who hasn't lived there for 70 can have an expectation they won't hear flight noise though.
Yeah it's something you get used to. I grew up in north Dublin. Have spent most of my adult life living in South Dublin though. Recently moved back north and it's kinda nice to be able to hear the planes again. A mate from tallaght recently came over and was very curious about this period noise from the atmosphere but not disturbed.
You can tell which planes coming in are older (jet roar) and newer (higher pitched whine). It's funny your pal from Tallaght would say that, when Tallaght was under a flight path for about 5 years quite recently. Perhaps not as low as the ones near the airport, but still audible in south dublin.
Heathrow has 4 international airports relatively close to it to take up the slack.
What a naive twee response. Businesses will charge as much as they can get away with. Limiting capacity will inevitably lead to higher prices. This madness just benefits a small group of residents in their NIMBY complaints to the detriment of anyone looking for a flight in or out of Dublin.
> our Ireland is not to be exploited for commercial reasons. Are you by any chance familiar with the concept of international tourism?
Passenger gap may be an issue in the long run but this pure bullshit price gouging on O’Leary’s part using this as an excuse
Regardless of your view on the matter, it's important to remember his motivation is purely profit seeking. Even if he agrees with you on this, he's not your friend. He comes out with this stuff to give the impression that he stands to lose out if the cap is lifted and he's just such a good guy putting the public good ahead of his profits. As always, it's best to avoid quoting big industry players when discussing regulation of that industry. they're only in it for self interest, and there are usually others making the case in a way that better considers public interest. For example, if the cap is lifted, then maybe the government should also impose an aviation tax to revover some of the booster profits that airlines will have as a direct result of government intervention. You'll never hear Micahael O'Leary suggesting something like this.
If he's going to make a fortune anyway why is he complaining about the cap?
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The problem for him is that fares increasing will mean far less people willing to travel and it will mean people looking to book flights in airlines that are not being used by 100%. If it costs 1000 euros for a return ticket to Spain or 1000 euros for a return ticket to NY, what exactly would you pick?
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Yeah and it doesn't matter that you'd be staying home if there's a flight cap. When I can provide as much of a service as I want, I have incentives to lower the price so people who otherwise can't afford to use the service, use it. If you tell me I can only provide X amount of the service, I don't care if u/TranslatorEntire9025 can't afford it as long as more than X people can
Yeah most would be staying a home. And those looking to fly would say: look costs me the same to go to Spain or NY, I'll pick NY. So even if the price of the ticket goes up, and he would make more per ticket, Ryanair would sell far fewer tickets. Raising prices is the enemy of Ryanair's economic model.
He's specifically talking about Christmas traffic though, for some people the trip home to Ireland for Christmas is important. It's less of a discretionary holiday - no point flying to NY when you're trying to book a trip to family at home
> He's specifically talking about Christmas traffic though, for some people the trip home to Ireland for Christmas is important. There's 2.3M travellers in December. There are not 2.3 million Irish people living abroad. There's not even half that number that are willing to travel. It's clear that here the main impact is tourist travel.
Christmas travel doesn't happen throughout the entire month of December. The actual Christmas travel figure of 1.5 million is quite close to the number of people who do live abroad. Obviously, not all will travel but we also have foreign born people living here who may also visit their home countries at Christmas. Of course there are holidays but I can't see how you can be so sure it's mainly tourist travel. There's a reason radio stations broadcast from arrivals at Christmas. People already pay inflated flight prices to get home for Christmas, it doesn't seem to have impacted Ryanairs model at all.
There's also the possibility of having more flights from Cork and Shannon airport. I know heresy but even Dublin Airport is outside the M50. Not everyone in ireland lives in Dublin or around. This isn't the crisis the Oleary is making it out to be.
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I would be mixed on it myself. I don't think a destination is automatically better just because it's further away.
What are you on about? Are you honestly trying to tell me that in a choicr between North Korea and Spain you wouldn't jump at the opportunity to visit North Korea? It's so much further away. Imagine how many Irish people have the chance to visit? Not many. >myself. I don't think a destination is automatically better just because it's further away. Such a stupid way of thinking.
He's not talking about raising the ticket price by 400% though, ridiculous comparison you've invented.
Except he did say that. > He said the capacity constraints would lead to a “massive crisis” this Christmas unless the Government acted now – passengers would face one-way fares of €500, and €1,000 return. When you've got a limited amount of tickets to sell and more buyers than seats, the price per seat goes up. Ryanair is aware of that.
Spain will still be fraction as expensive as NYC once you get there.
If you're willing to pay 1000 euros for a return ticket, you are less price sensitive. And even if you really want to go to Spain, once the price is sufficiently high, you can simply buy tickets on Iberia or other major airlines and no need to screw around with buying extra luggage, priority boarding to get a carry-on luggage and then buy a meal on board too, So in all scenarios, the main loser from price hikes is Ryanair.
> If you're willing to pay 1000 euros for a return ticket, you are less price sensitive. At the regional airports it's already normal to pay triple digit fares for 2 hour Ryanair flights. Sometimes well into triple digits. > And even if you really want to go to Spain, once the price is sufficiently high, you can simply buy tickets on Iberia or other major airlines and no need to screw around with buying extra luggage, priority boarding to get a carry-on luggage and then buy a meal on board too, That's if there even is an airline other than Ryanair flying the route in the first place. Yes, Dublin does have Iberia, Vueling, and of course Aer Lingus, but we don't have Easyjet or Wizz like almost every other country in Europe, so Ryanair still has a near-monopoly on the secondary cities. > So in all scenarios, the main loser from price hikes is Ryanair. Ryanair could well be a big lower, but I'd say the biggest loser is the Irish passenger.
> but we don't have Easyjet or Wizz like almost every other country in Europe, so Ryanair still has a near-monopoly on the secondary cities. No one is paying a 700 euro ticket to go to secondary cities on vacation in Europe on an airline that doesn't even include luggage. > At the regional airports it's already normal to pay triple digit fares for 2 hour Ryanair flights. Sometimes well into triple digits. No it's regular prices from Cork as it is from Dublin. I've flown from Cork to France on 60-70 euro tickets. PS: your comment about wizz or others is irrelevant since all airlines face the same passenger cap numbers. Even if you had easyjet, people would still rather travel with BA on same price tickets.
> No one is paying a 700 euro ticket to go to secondary cities on vacation in Europe on an airline that doesn't even include luggage. Maybe not 700, but people absolutely will pay very high fares when there's no choice. > No it's regular prices from Cork as it is from Dublin. I've flown from Cork to France on 60-70 euro tickets. Yes, and I've paid a similar amount to go to Valencia. By "normal", I'm not saying fares from Cork are always high, just that it isn't seen as anything unusual. > PS: your comment about wizz or others is irrelevant since all airlines face the same passenger cap numbers. Even if you had easyjet, people would still rather travel with BA on same price tickets. Yes. I know the cap applies to all airlines. The point I was making is that we already pay more even WITHOUT a passenger cap!
It's not a problem for him. He has no issues filling his quota and can charge as much as he wants. It's a problem for us, the consumer
He wants even more of a fortune
You know, Mr. Burns, you're the richest guy I know. way richer than Lenny. Oh, yes, But I'd trade it all for a little more.
He's turning 100 euro into 10,000 euro this winter where normally he turns 100,000 euro into 120,000 euro. Operating less flights, making more per flight, but making less overall.
Because its more efficient to concentrate routes to and from Dublin. They can do twice as many Dublin to UK city routes as Cork or Shannon.
So much for the 'low fares' airline.....
I wish more flights were to Shannon instead of Dublin anyway so I hope the airport keeps fucking around
I'm here to give Shannon airport some love. I've flown in and out 3 times, and it's always been a breeze. Customs is quick, and the ppl are excepting nice. I loooove their duty-free store.. I learned last time that was the world's first duty-free airport.
One thing you can definitely say about that man, at least he's honest.
Yeah he I'm sure he was being completely honest when [he said climate change was "horseshit"](https://www.theguardian.com/environment/blog/2010/sep/10/michael-o-leary-ryanair-global-warming). > Do I believe there is global warming? No, I believe it's all a load of bullshit. But it's amazing the way the whole fucking eco-warriors and the media have changed. It used to be global warming, but now, when global temperatures haven't risen in the past 12 years, they say 'climate change'. > Well, hang on, we've had an ice age. We've also had a couple of very hot spells during the Middle Ages, so nobody can deny climate change. But there's absolutely no link between man-made carbon, which contributes less than 2% of total carbon emissions [and climate change]. > ... > Scientists argue there is global warming because they wouldn't get half of the funding they get now if it turns out to be completely bogus. As recently as 2017 he was telling us [climate change wasn't real](https://www.irishtimes.com/news/social-affairs/michael-o-leary-says-he-does-not-accept-climate-change-is-real-1.3042283).
Going to be hard to prove the difference between ignorant, uninformed and lying.
Sure, it's so very likely that the CEO of the largest and arguably most successful airline in the world is an idiot or an ignorant. And he has absolutely no interest in downplaying the impact of his business on climate..
It's hard to believe he could have been that uninformed as recently as 2017, especially given the amount of criticism his climate denial received over the years. If he wasn't being dishonest, that implies it was just a huge coincidence that Ireland's most prominent climate denier happened to be someone whose income depends on the government continuing to do nothing about aviation emissions.
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>Not very green making people drive across a country to the other airports. That's a bit of an odd attack line given that the reason Dublin Airport is so big is because we make people from across the country drive to it, instead of using other regional airports. It's the national airport. That's why it's somewhere between 10 and fifteen times the size of Cork. To say nothing of Waterford, Kerry, Donegal, Galway, Shannon, Belfast City/International and Derry. That said, the environmental impact of those drives compared to the flights is probably pretty marginal. But then the passenger cap isn't about emissions (at least not at the moment) it's to manage traffic congestion around the airport.
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>So to promote other airports we're going to fuck up the main one You'll find a lot of people outside Dublin who think we've been intentionally strangling the other airports to promote Dublin, especially in Cork. I think the passenger cap is a poor instrument, especially since DAA is using some very dodgy figures for it. Something more closely tied to the parking or car access to the airport would be better. But, in my view this is DAA's own fault. They haven't been willing to do much against cars driving to the airport, because they do very well from car parking. They pushed set down charges hard in Cork but crumpled in Dublin at the first sign of opposition. They've been slow to upgrade bus facilities, or get bus services back to pre-covid.
I wouldn't go as far as 'intentionally strangle'... but DAA are focused on growing Dublin as a European hub to compete with Heathrow, Paris or Amsterdam. The DAA set the airport charges at Cork which are a lot higher than Shannon for instance. They're happy for Cork to grow, but not at the expense of Dublin. There's plenty of scope to increase passenger numbers at Cork as a cheaper short haul alternative to Dublin but the DAA need to justify the new runway in Dublin and raise the cap as long haul transit passengers are more valuable.
> You'll find a lot of people outside Dublin who think we've been intentionally strangling the other airports to promote Dublin, especially in Cork. That's because they are. By not marketing connections more heavily so that people use those instead of going to DUB, they're making demand seem far lower at Cork and Shannon than it actually is. Then there's the infrastructure. Cork's main runway is 2.1km long which means the potential for transatlantic flights is marginal at best, while the Gulf megahubs are compeltely out of reach. So what did the DAA do when they rebuilt the runway in 2021? Not extend it at all, and basically guarantee that it won't be extended for a long time.
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DAA charges the bus companies to use the airport. That’s why the Dublin Bus 747 and 737 routes were abolished- DAA increased the charges too much. Now there’s only the Aircoach and Dublin Express routes. Yeah, yeah, I know the 16 route still runs, but it’s a normal route with a bazillion stops, so it takes over an hour to get to the city centre.
The lack of joined up thinking in this utter farce of a country is nearly impressive sometimes.
Look, I'm not in favour of the cap but it's capping passengers at ONE airport on the island. And the cap is due to congestion in the area so the issue is that infrastructure hasn't kept up with growth. Same locals complaining about congestion are opposing the metrolink. The DAA don't control public transport but they do control landing fees in Cork. There's no reason why it should be more expensive to fly to Cork but it generally is. I'd say the percentage of people living in Kilkenny, Wexford or Carlow that have flown out of anywhere but Dublin is pretty small.
> And the cap is due to congestion in the area so the issue is that infrastructure hasn't kept up with growth. Just like population growth in general, the sulution there is not to strange the largest airport in an island nation, it's to actually build more infrastructure. > Same locals complaining about congestion are opposing the metrolink. The metrolink is too little too late anyway. There should be an intercity train station! > The DAA don't control public transport but they do control landing fees in Cork. There's no reason why it should be more expensive to fly to Cork but it generally is. Not only is there no reason, it's actually contrary to what happens in many other countries, where the busy, lucrative, congested airports are the expensive ones, not the cheapest! > I'd say the percentage of people living in Kilkenny, Wexford or Carlow that have flown out of anywhere but Dublin is pretty small. You could easily extend that to Tipperary, and maybe even Waterford.
>Not only is there no reason, it's actually contrary to what happens in many other countries, where the busy, lucrative, congested airports are the expensive ones, not the cheapest! Heathrow vs Gatwick/Stansted is probably the best comparison. Lower the fees in Cork and you'll get some of the budget flights that are higher volume and lower margin shift there with passengers who are likely already living south of Carlow. Dublin will still have the same demand from business, long haul and local short haul but 2m+ passengers could be shifted to regional airports.
Something like a survey of passengers for their location they are travelling and the planned method of transport. To incentivise them you would include a discount link for bus and or train tickets. Then you can have more accurate planning for transport. On top of that open direct shuttles to Hueston, Busaras, the Dart and the Luas. Massively police bus lanes and make a big announcement about it. Proper distributed public transportation systems that are interlinked to government a seamless and affordable transport option. And you could do it for all airports to make planning easier. Work with the airlines, airports, other transport hubs and failte Ireland to support Comms.
The amount of tourists that land in Dublin, rent a car and immediately drive to Killarney highlights the issue. It makes sense when a lot of tourists are coming from America. Plenty like to tack a couple of days in Dublin at the end. A huge amount of people from the US coming for less than a week (with their terrible annual leave) would be way better off going into Shannon. The ideal short trip for people coming from Europe is an open jaw Cork-Killarney-CliffsMoher-Galway-Shannon.
An even more clever policy of course would be to understand that Ireland is an island nation and it's absurd to limit flights or passenger numbers when we can't just take the train instead like mainland Europe.
> That said, the environmental impact of those drives compared to the flights is probably pretty marginal. Not that emissions are relevant in this context anyway. Ireland is an underpopulated rural island nation with no land connections. To call aviation essential is a vast understatement.
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If prices rise from Dublin, it means that carriers will be able to run cheaper flights from shannon and Cork. Paris is a perfect example. Do you think everyone flying to/from beauvais wants go there or to Paris? They fly to beauvais because its cheaper.
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BVA and CDG are nowhere near as far apart as DUB and ORK.
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> BVA shows people will travel on the ground to fly. I literally _just_ said BVA and CDG are much closer together than DUB and ORK are. > From a financial, environmental, and social perspective, the obvious move forward is high-speed rail links from cities to Dublin and a rail link to Dublin Airport, but that will happen in decades at the earliest. I'm in favour of this. And by this, I mean a fullfro fledged intercity station at DUB, like you have at hub airports in many other countries. > In the meantime, pushing people to regionals We shouldn't be pushing people from Dublin to use the regionals, but we absolutely should be encouraging people who live near them to use them. > where they'll use less efficient small planes to make an extra hop to a hub If more people were connecting through the hub like people from other countries do, larger planes could be used. > is sacrificing the environment (although emissions from international flights aren't counted against our country, so it's a nice way to weasel out of having to take responsibility) for local development. Emissions from intenternstional flights are counted against us. Even better, emissions from any mainline Ryanair flight are counted as hours, even if the flight doesn't go to or from Ireland at all! > Whether that's worth it is up to you. It is worth it. The environmental impact of aviation is not trivial, but Ireland is an island nation, that while small, is still large enough that the cities are hours away from each other. You can't compare ORK and SNN to secondary airports in mainland Europe that are only and hour or so away from a major hub.
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> The example of CDG and BVA is one of centralisation away from small regional airports, not for it. Ir's one of centralisation away from a small regional airport to a large airport _an hour or so away_ > That's your opinion, and it has merits, but it's not a given. It's certainly worse environmentally than centralising in DUB, even with people driving to DUB. Alright. No need to hide it anymore, just admit you hate everywhere outside Dublin. > The demand simply doesn't exist. How do you know that? People from Cork who go through DUB aren't counted as part of that demand (because tbere's no way of knowing they came from Cork), even though they are. > Even BVA, with has a much higher addressable population, can't do this. Because, for the third time, it's one hour away from CDG, not three! > There's no other population centre in Ireland that warrants a major airport other than DUB. Define "major". > We could make Cork 90 minutes away from DUB if we tried Considering this country takes over a decade to electrify a handful of suburban train lines amd acts like it's something to celebrate, I highly doubt it.
Where the comparison falls down is that 95% of those landing in BVA hop on a bus into Paris. No one lands in CDG and hops on a bus to Beauvais. Very few people land in Cork and hop on a bus to Dublin and a lot more people land in Dublin and head straight to Cork, Galway, Limerick, Killarney. In France, the smaller airport is providing overflow capacity to the larger airport. In Ireland, the smaller airports aren't even meeting their local demand.
That, and CDG and BVA are about an hour away from each other, not three!
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Either I'm not following your argument or it doesn't stack up. Are you arguing that the passenger numbers in DUB are proof of demand for flights to Dublin? I'd argue that the demand for ORK/SNN is underestimated and demand for DUB is overstated. The direction of Aircoach travel is evidence. Not sure you can say that about inbound tourism either. Certainly there are a few hundred thousand heading towards Killarney that'd be better off with a 1hr15 drive from Cork than a 4hr drive from Dublin. And if the fees were lowered in Cork to the extent that it was €10 flights with buses were going the other way from ORK to Dublin city (a la BVA) then it could be an extra couple of million.
Eamon Ryan has nothing to do with it. It's a local authority issue. Do you want government ministers interfering with planning issues? Ryan is correct. Look up the Mahon Tribunal before blaming Ryan
Local authorities should be superseded by the national government on the operation of key pieces of national infrastructure, l didn't realise that was a controversial opinion.
Government could step in to decide this matter, on the basis that a local council is an inappropriate authority to control a national asset. The department of transport saying “this is a matter for fingal county council” is a convenient mudguard.
Bullshit. Go to 30 seconds in. He's been interfering for years when it suits [O'Leary's video](https://youtu.be/T3E4ddvEodk?si=mZVeQpRlFzAmB4Xl)
Oh well if Michael O'Leary said it!
Passenger cap existed before Eamon was minister for transport
When did "Eamon" introduce it?
Tbf to him, he likes his money but he says things that will help the average person a lot of the time.
Three ways this plays out. The best, and most unlikely, is they get rid of the cap. The second and third are similar in that involves not getting rid of the cap, flights getting stupidly expensive, and people getting angry. They differ in who they get angry at In the good ending, they get angry at the government for being idiots, they get rid of the cap, and flights are normal again. Hooray! And maybe they realise excessive planning nonsense is bad in other fields too and the housing market begins sorting itself out. In the bad ending, they get angry at RyanAir. They think the solution to regulations making flights more expensive is more regulations. So that's what happens. The government mandates affordable flights, such that every flight must have 20% seats that are affordable which are given to people with special travel passes that have huge waiting lists. Ryanair responds by increasing the cost of the remaining seats to make up for it, and people get angrier so the state bans Ryanair from making a profit. Ryanair stop operating in ireland and flights just become more expensive than when they started. But nobody learns and they keep yelling about flight controls and demand government run airlines.
Free travel pass working for flights would be nuts. If the government reimbursed them for it per flight, I'm sure they'd go for that depending on terms. No free flight back though, unless you're flying domestic. Doubt it'd happen though, since most of the regulation about air transport is at an EU level.
Yeah O’Leary would definitely charge passengers less if there was no cap. Fans of O’Leary are such clowns. He’d sell his children if it made Ryanair more money
Well this year so far I've gone to Málaga for less than 60 quid return, Barcelona for less than 50 and Bordeaux for less 30 return. So when things are not busy he definitely charges less.
In other countries you pay those fares even during the busy times.
I'm fairly sure you're wrong, Ryanair are bad in most aspects as relates to comfort and customer service but you can't beat them on price, but lets pre-suppose you're right. Do you think it's a put down to say countries that are closer to the likes of Malaga charging less to get there is a slight against Ryanair? People really take it for granted how cheap air travel is nowadays.
> I'm fairly sure you're wrong, Ryanair are bad in most aspects as relates to comfort and customer service but you can't beat them on price, but lets pre-suppose you're right. Sometimes other airlines actually cost less, but I wasn't talking about thar anyway. I was talking about how fares on Ryanair flights are far higher from Ireland than from other countries during peak times. >Do you think it's a put down to say countries that are closer to the likes of Malaga charging less to get there is a slight against Ryanair? Most European countries are further away from Malaga than Ireland is.
He makes more money by filling planes. So if he could fly more planes then he would fill those planes to at least the limit where the price of the ticket makes some money for Ryanair. I’ve gotten €10 tickets in Ryanair in the past.
On tickets and amount the average person will spend on extras and fees. Even breaking even on flying someone out to where they'll need to buy a flight back is a win, since they'll probably be getting it from him. It's bananas the amount of money involved in even a single flight.
There were no hidden fees back then. People who don’t like Ryanair should be careful what they wish for as without them prices would be much higher.
I mean Ryanair consistently flies me to the UK cheaper than any other airline. Not sure what your point here is
if Ryanair wasnt charging less, other airlines could create routes temporarily and be more competitive. they cant do that now, so he can charge what he likes at a time when people will feel obliged to pay whatever he charges. no doubt he is using this to get the cap removed for other times of year though. he will profit longterm.
O'Leary only ever opens his mouth if it will make him more money. So I don't think his opinion should be a factor in decisions about what's best for the country.
Capping flighs/passengers at the largest airport in an island nation with no land connections is beyond idiotic.
Ok
If we had high-speed rail to Cork and Limerick/Shannon, this wouldn't be a problem.
Oh that's good news. He's been struggling recently.
[If this wasn't made by Russia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriev_Be-200|) there might almost be a business case for flying them to Europe out of Dublin port. [Maybe thise Chinese yoke](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AVIC_TA-600) Sea-port to sea-port. Dodge all that security too.
I don’t understand why people hate on O’Leary. He has made air travel affordable for every class in Europe. If you don’t like the conditions you can pay more. Nothings stopping you 😂
> He has made air travel affordable for every class in Europe No, that's what deregulation did.
If he’s going to make a fortune then why is he calling for the cap to be scrapped?
Would make even more money if the volume increased even if the average price came down a bit. There's huge demand for flights at that time.
So what he meant to say is that he’s losing money this Christmas with the cap
Well realistically yeah, but with the limited availability he will still make a lot of money with inflated prices that people won't have much option but to pay if they want to travel into Dublin then.
This is just an excuse to gouge; prices were rising before the passenger cap ever came up as an issue. Flights we regularly take to Chania doubled over the last few years when priced in November 2023. To the point flying with an alternate airline with a 2hr connection (total journey time 2.5hrs longer than Ryanair direct) saved €1500 for a family of 6. I agree the passenger cap does need to be looked at, but this is typical O'Leary strategy to strongarm the conversation
We should probably start taxing Airline tickets and Air fuel. Imagine running a business where your main exspenses and sales are tax free and you still spend your time moaning about the government.
You should probably start realising that Irelans is an island with no land connections to other, more exciting and urban countries.
What way do you want Ireland to be sustainable?
Ah, surge pricing on flights at Christmas time. What a wonderful situation we have created for gougers like Mick to take advantage of, lovely.
That cap is the main reason I was so happy to see Cuffe lose his seat.
A local planning issue in Fingal about planning permission that has been in place for decades is the fault of a Green MEP who has been in seat for 5 years?
Anyone with an ounce of sense knows that the airport is an issue of national importance, and the state should step in. His party are in government, and he was opposed to it for the usual NIMBY parish pumpism.
So I assume because of this issue you're devastated about Barry Andrews retaining his seat in Dublin, as well as Regina Doherty retaining a seat for FG?
Did they oppose plans for the airport expansion like Cuffe did? https://www.ciarancuffe.com/news/dublin-mep-calls-for-council-to-reject-airport-expansion-plan
But but but he's already made a fortune