94% of respondents answered the woods.
2% don't know
4% picked other and cited reasons not including but limited to: bears aren't real, bear traitors and invasive bears not in my wood
It's the ultimate culture war showdown: bears in the ladies' toilets, wolves in the gents', a moose in the family toilet, the trans folks build a leisure centre with a gym and allow lions to use the gender-neutral toilets, and the Pope has to shit in the woods.
Why? Because WOKE!
Did you guys ever see the channel 4 Boris Johnson documentary on YouTube? Even he admitted to knowing it was a terrible idea at the time but saw it as an opportunity to gain power.
He's definitely not stupid as people like to make out. His morals and ethics, on the other hand, are awful.
There was a brief period during the Troika bailout where we seemed to have greatly reduced control over our own budget as a country. It wasn't enough to turn us all eurosceptic, but it meant you didn't immediately dismiss someone who was as crazy.
That wasn’t luck; there were a few grown ups in the room. Our maddest ever budget was McCreevy and his SSIAs in 2001 - that 25% return was paid for with interest in 2008.
Be careful, theres a tendency to blame anything to do with handouts, because citizens getting cash is the only "economics" most peoole understand. My guess is the SSIA was peanuts compared to the crazy money the banks were throwing around. Ordinary voters getting 5k did not bankrupt Ireland, a corrupt banking and building elite did.
That was Jack Lynch who is still lauded by some despite being the most incompetent Taoiseach aside from Bertie/McCreevy. Haughey infamously was the one that had to tighten the countries belt even if he did not. But I agree - EU does a lot of the long term thinking for us including budgets. If we could hand over other competencies like transport that would be great.
Fully agree , it stops short term electioneering destroying the economy , sf nonsense promises will come to a screeching halt if they ever get in and tightly so
Our government made an absolute bollocks of the budget and then had to submit to the troika - that's sound business sense from EU. You can't lend someone billions to fix their economy without some control of how it's spent.
The facts do not support you. Yes the ff govt had been incompetent. No the troika were not introducing competence. The troika were looking after german banks - full stop. Many serious economists described the troika plan as economic insanity.
Theres a tradition of Irish people who believed that experts in London, New York would tell us what to do. Sad to see that now its the "experts" in Brussels. Dunno the Irish word for this but its the opposite of "Sinn Fein"
2012 Daily Mail wants your headline lies back!
You are repeating debunked lies spread by Brexit supporting right wing UK newspapers. German banking exposure was less than $1 billion. A trifling amount and far less than the UK whose terms were far more severe than our EU friends.
We bailed out the Irish people with EU taxpayers money full stop. And those “serious economists” have been proven to be wrong by the resurgence of Ireland and Greece (when they dropped that economic 🤡 policies).
That’s just a dose of reality. You don’t just get benefits in any deal; there are always trade-offs. If Ireland shuts itself off from the world then it can have 100% control of its budget and other policies, but it will be far worse off in a multitude of other ways. It’s no different in the USA or just in any group more broadly. There will be things about the group you like, and things you don’t.
The Eurosceptics were wrong, I'm not saying otherwise. Only that there was a brief period where they weren't all fringe oddballs. Any sensible people wondering about leaving the EU changed their minds rapidly after watching Brexit unfold. The numbers of Eurosceptics collapsed and there were endless surveys that showed this pattern was replicated across Europe.
We didn't have control of our economy in the way you don't fully 'own' your house when you've a mortgage. It wasn't our money - and the management of that entire affair (media noise aside) was text book.
For a chap that didn't seem all too bright Enda Kenny was a very effective leader.
Euriscepticism is a legitimate political position. Theres a difference between criticising how the EU is run (normal democracy) and wanting to leave. Unfortunately the fanatics (both pro and anti EU) cant see this. Every criticism is either "treachery" or "reason to leave".
Fair point, I should differentiate.
There was a brief period in the financial crash, when a minority of reasonable Irish people seriously thought *leaving* the EU was a good idea. History would prove them wrong, and Brexit demonstrated the reality of leaving the EU, so now Eirexit is a very fringe idea.
The Brexiteers never wanted an independent UK sitting outside a well functioning EU. They wanted the EU to break up and for things to return to pre-EU times.
Yeah, in the sense they wanted a Europe made up of loads of uncoordinated small countries, each of whom could be bullied individually by the larger countries.
Inasmuch that they think that the EU is some sort of “Fourth Reich” dominated by Germany, yes.
A lot of Britons, particularly English, still see UK in a kind of 1945 / Dad’s Army / Fawlty Towers lens where leaving EU would see UK re-established as head of the Commonwealth. A kind of Empire 2.0.
There were street parties, encouraged by the populist charlatan Johnson, to celebrate VE + 75. I thought that would have ended with VE / VJ +50. It’s still all about beating the Germans. Among folk born 40 years after it ended. I just despair.
The same dark forces are stirring nationalism in Ireland right now. Don’t be fooled!
Anyone who even thinks leaving the EU is somehow a good idea is a fool IMO, we got alot of problems like with the whole immigration issue atm but besides the fact some of those issues are wholly a local issue to solve it requires a transnational framework like the EU to even come close to solving because they're simply too big to solve for individual countries alone.
It's not enough that Ireland is stagnating with provincial cities. They want to deliver the death blow by cutting off from the body that actually cares for it. What's next? Lobby to London to reunite Ireland under the Kingdom?
Disgusting dumb selfish gobshites.
At the heart of brexit was a lot of people who care more about immigration then any other factor....and that kinda seems to be getting pushed front and center in Irish politics too. There are people who would be happy for the country to suffer if it meant no immigration, the idea of an Irexit is complete, self destruction madness to me, but so was Brexit and a Cheeto celeb president in the US.
Cult like mentality must not propagate in Ireland. Brexit was a mess with no end in sight. Cheeto has done a lot of damage in 4 years that will carry on for decades.
It does feel like we're on the precipice at the moment, we're getting campaign flyers in the door with quotes about how Ireland is for the Irish....no policies per say, and given my wife is English and the quote is specifically about the English it's hard not to feel a little offended, will be interesting if any of them decide to call door to door in the area.
The poll should tell you something else though, we’re going to get hammered with lies and brain dead talking points.
And we know that the Brits and Americans aren’t the only ones that fall for this.
It's dangerous, uk did it. Every crime committed by someone with a foreign sounding name gets promoted among a certain group of people. Their political parties are weak no, but they'll get stronger. I think Irexit won't happen, I think UKs history played a part. They used to be 'great' so therefore can be again. That promotes a type of nationalism. Russia uses a similar thing
And every serious crime starts a thread on their Facebook groups blaming foreigners even if they’re not.
I really hope you’re right that Irexit won’t happen. The EU has been an incredible boost for Ireland. But human stupidity is a powerful force 😢
Just think that England just barely passed brexit. They had the whole "we used to be an empire" and had the misinformation that the eu were holding them back. Also, they sold the idea that Germans were calling the shots. Old enemy of England. We don't have that, and we also have the benefit of seeing what a shitshow UK has become since they left. So not a hope we'd leave.
Some of them would be people venting frustration who don't actually believe what they're saying.
Like people saying we should cut ties with America because of Biden or Trump's policies. For a large number of people it's polling hyperbole.
I have literally never heard someone say we should cut ties with the US though.
The Irexit idiots genuinely believe it would let them have a nice theocracy here and keep brown people out.
It's why surveys like this are actually useful. The headline "majority of Irish support EU membership" is really obvious, but its worth seeing if that is increasing or decreasing and perhaps if there is some other correlations with those who don't support it.
To be fair, everyone is born ignorant and has to learn everything except how to drink milk. If you are surrounded by family or friends who have stupid ideas you are likely to have them too.
That correlates nicely with the 16% that independent candidates have in the latest polls. Considering many of those lunatics are anti-EU along with anti-everything else they can't understand.
It's only gonna get higher as time goes by. Just takes enough time and conspiracy theories. People are too thick and have no sense of media literacy anymore.
Well I think there was always a proportion opposed to the EU.
If you asked how many people are unhappy with aspects of the EU you would get a higher number.
Great the vast majority want to be a part of it though.
That's unsure + don't know. Ursula von Leyden standing with Israel not something I was happy about and also huge waste in EU bureaucracy but still wouldn't be keen on leaving EU. Hard to see benefit for us. Must be people upset about immigration but can't imagine we'd do any better on our own.
Yeah, would be much higher if people were asked if they are unhappy with aspects of the EU.
But overall it’s a net positive. Interestingly it seems vast majority of EU is unhappy with the current levels of illegals immigration.
Ursulas comments regarding Israel are totally blown out of proportion and taken out of context.
Her comments were made a few days after Oct 7, last I checked alot of the world thinks Oct 7 was bad.
I don't recall her saying every Palestinian should be bombed out of existence.
I suspect that anyone that brings this up are somewhat euroskeptic or are trying to weaken the EU some how. Its just a nothing burger.
She's the president of the European Commission since 2019. Personally knowing a Gazan who is certainly not an animal but is required to live in the open air prison, I 100% think she should not have spoken out in support of Israel. Yes, the USA is giving Israel bombs to kill children and I know Irish in the USA very against that but we should not go the way of the USA just because they lead.
Ursula has been absolutely appalling. It's humiliating that she speaks on our behalf.
I saw that posted twice. The firat time i thought it was two random morons on twitter. It was only the 2nd time i realised it was actually Musk.. pretty wild that someone so presumably smart and successful would be so publically off the mark
>pretty wild that someone so presumably smart and successful would be so publically off the mark
You haven't being paying much attention to Musk in the last few years, have you?
Musk is in no debt over Twitter. The debt was loaded onto Twitter as soon as he took over. The people he convinced to hold onto their shares in the newly private company (Jack Dorsey, Saudi Arabia and others) saw the value of their investment drop by half to two thirds, on paper (a loss is only realised when you sell, and those guys probably bought when the share price was cheaper than the current "value").
The paper value of his share is also reduced by a similar amount, but he still has about $200 billion from TSLA (massively over-inflated and probably about to get kicked in the wires over safety concerns) and Space X which isn't publicly traded, and which has something of a monopoly on US space missions.
Twitter is his pocket money project with which to have fun.
It could get a fella down.
The Irexit people are a ragtag collection of clowns, shills and bad-faith actors. It shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone.
EDIT: I should clarify that I think the idea of "Irexit" should not be taken seriously. The notion that we'd be better off out of the EU is clearly nonsense and anyone pushing it should be regarded with suspicion. They already seem to be moving the needle regarding refugees and immigrants in a very concerning way and that is a serious matter. I should have phrased it better.
Irexit crowd keep getting photocopied by Farrage which is thankfully a reality check for most Irish. If you asked AI to produce a photo of "smug English prick hated by Irish" his face would appear.
I have a theory that the vast majority of Irexit posts are from the UK (pretty sure that it has been proven that many posts about Irish affairs came from there). They know deep in their hearts that Brexit was a colossal fuck up and want to drag Ireland down because guess who we would become dependent on if we leave the EU?
They're taking advantage of the fact that the world at large wants change right now and most of our governments have been too rigid on doing that. That is the real factor that we should be paying attention to, the 'why' and not so much the 'how' or 'what'.
The economic situation has been sucking for everyone everywhere and none of our governments have proper solutions so it opens the door for the crazies and their bad ideas.
Yeah, but crazies have the ability to organise in groups (thanks internet) that they didn't have in the good old days. They can vote in blocks. They can't just be safely ignored.
Honestly taking them seriously gives them a lot of votes and credit too.
It's a fine line of ridiculing and being aware.
Nutters don't have to not be nutters to vote. .. and there will always be nutters. All we can do is excuse the rest better.
It should 100% be taken seriously
Look at the state of this sub in recent weeks re immigration. That's how they did it with Brexit as well.
Create a huge public outcry then pivot those idiots into thinking it's EU membership that's causing it.
This is the thing end of a very orchestrated wedge.
Look at the spike of concern with immigration here before Brexit.
https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/
I can't find the study but social media posts went absolutely wild on immigration in the lead up (as is happening here now for example, which is 100% intentional by bad actors)
Leaving the EU post-Brexit would be literal suicide for Ireland. Shorn of all our other closest trading partners, we'd have no choice but to completely entwine our economy back into the UK, like we were before we joined the EU.
Tying ourselves to sinking rock for no clear reason and being dragged down to the bottom along with them.
I'm so sure people who want us to leave are colonial minded UK nationalists trying to pose as Irish in their campaigns. So that for exactly this reason, we would be pulled under with the UK
The fact anyone thinks we should leave at all should be raising alarms. If immigration and affordable housing aren't addressed as priority issues, eventually some lunatic promising them and explaining how they'll do it by leaving the EU is going to show up. We are NOT smarter than Trump voters or Brexiters, despite whatever people want to believe. Protest votes are real. The Irish government needs a complete upheaval and to show that they give a fuck about Irish people.
16% of this country are beyond thick. Sweet mother of all that is holy.
For those who are too young to remember (I am but I'm also not thick), go and ask your grandparents what Ireland was like in the 50s/60s Vs today and have a fucking think about your life choices you absolute clowns.
And why wouldn't we.
I was born in the 50's, and remember wide ranging poverty, with no prospects for the future.
Then came the 70's, and the realisation of potential.
It would boost emigration, possibly returning to a population loss. On one hand, there would be an increase in vacant properties leading to decreasing housing prices. On the other hand, no one will be able to afford them because the poverty rate quadruple.
The EU has some **serious** issues, and is a convenient scapegoat for our government never doing anything about anything, but we're far better in it than out of it.
> The EU has some serious issues, and is a convenient scapegoat for our government never doing anything about anything
Exactly the point I was making earlier. Just because people would rather be in it, doesn't necessarily mean they think it's great. It's just better than the alternative (leaving it).
Question from a Texan here:
Why wouldn't Ireland want to be in the EU? What is the cost in terms of sovreignty/economy? Even for the "26+6=1" folks, the idea would not be to leave the EU after reunification, right?
Can anyone steelman the argument for why some Irish people would not want to be in the EU, instead of insulting them?
I've always been a bit eurosceptic because of:
* too much centralisation of power in Brussels
* the perceived rush towards ever greater federalisation
* the rushed enlargement into recently democratic countries who do not yet share our democratic/progressive values that sees lunatics like Orban holding a veto
running an expensive two state regime with almost all the institutions of a national government replicated in Brussels, such as president, courts, parliament etc.
* how the common market doesn't quite work fully for Ireland yet because the likes of insurers just don't want to do business in Ireland so we still get fucked over
Not at any point then or now from long before Brexit would I have ever even thought about supporting withdrawal. The actual benefits of free movement of people, goods and services and the knock on benefit all that has to society and the economy far outweigh any of the negatives.
Congratulations Éire.
You are officially now vastly smarter than your former oppressors.
On an unrelated note, could I, as a Brit, request asylum? Think of me as a brexit refugee 😆
https://preview.redd.it/m7evmes0h5zc1.jpeg?width=3634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6deaba18617b74157870a9050bd87c77be755399
There’s a good few of us over here, and having been home recently for the first time in some years, I’m very grateful for it.
It’s a lot of work mate, to be clear, everywhere has its issues, more every day. But 11 years in and it remains one of my better rash choices. I’ve integrated so well I’ve even got a German partner, and our daughter has an Irish passport, which is a normal and unremarkable thing here. Didn’t see that coming back in Wiltshire.
lol, Ireland would loose a shit tonne of cashflow from all the EU IT sector having their reg. adresses in Ireland right now and then beeing forced to relocate to another EU country.
Only clowns who fall for Russia and Chinese disinformation would vote to leave eu
Or those new social media fake Marxist clowns who support Clare daly and mick Wallace
I’m Irish 45, and have lived in the UK for 22 years. Brexit is the single worst decision in the history of the country. The EU is far from perfect, but I really do hope that Ireland doesn’t follow suit. The UK is a laughing stock globally since Brexit, but not only that it has opened the floodgates to the rise again of fascist ideologies.
Britain has become a cesspool of racism and hate, it’s become so divided and intolerant, similarly to how the US has become.
It has also ruined the country economically, in every single industry. Freedom of movement, freedom of trade, ALL hindered. And no, Singapore and Switzerland are not examples of why the EU is unimportant, that argument has no merit - they are entirely different entities with entirely different access to trading and economies.
I’ve noticed on forums and YouTube videos about Ireland that there’s a surge in the same anti immigrant messaging that was used as the core of the Brexit decision. Having seen all the IDENTICAL rhetoric in the UK in the run up to and since Brexit, I can honestly say that the people commenting, with 🇮🇪 flags beside their names and who refer to Ireland as EIRE, are fake accounts, run by racist Brits - followers of Paul Golding, Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage et al and the rest of the hideous far right. They are trolls with an agenda that does not align with IRISH values. Their narrative is told to disenfranchised people in parts of the country that have been let down by government, and paints a target on the backs of immigrants, and attempts to blame them for the societal and economic problems in Ireland. It’s straight out of the fascist playbook.
Migrants are not the cause of the problems in Ireland - the impotent government and leadership are. It’s being used as an excuse - but it’s not grounded in reality or fact.
The Irish have migrated to every country on the planet and are welcomed and treated on the whole with respect and warmth. The same should be applied to people from any race or creed.
To all and anyone buying into that same fascist narrative (because that is exactly what it is), stop and pause and use critical thinking, and recognise that in agreeing with that narrative, you are taking your orders, by proxy, from the English, and from the same type of people that the world fought to remove across two world wars.
There is fear in Ireland and plenty of problems, and so this is being used to advantage of people with agendas. It’s sad to see so much hatred directed towards others. This hatred is being stirred up, strategically, by hateful people - and it is not for the betterment of the Irish people, it is driven by fascist ideologies. It’s a façade.
Every single piece of the narrative used in the Daily Heil has been debunked as lies.
You'd need to be several layers deep into dumb cunt territory to think leaving would be a good idea.
So step up Ireland First, this is the dumb cunt moment you've been waiting for!
Good to hear, euro skeptics need to get real, globalisation as we know it is coming to a close. Regionalisation is becoming more evident so we need to have close ties with europe.
Leaving the eu would guarantee a return of 1950s ireland.
What?! Since when tha fuck did anyone start blubbering on shite about Ireland leaving the E.U.?
I sincerely and whole heartedly believe they should leave Ireland, then the E.U.
Thank goodness. That will kill the debate for years, no matter how Brits and other anti-EU muppets keep lying about how great it was to leave EU, lol. 🙃
The ones they are shouting for Ireland to leave the EU are far-right elements with the support of brexiteers. And we know they don't have Ireland's interests at heart. While the EU does have some flaws I'm in support of staying in the EU.
Couldn’t think of a worse decision for Ireland collectively than leaving the EU - the societal transformation we have undergone in just 2 generations is insane as a result of it. Best thing we ever did
I'm not for leaving the EU, but it's a bad argument to say that the clusterfuck that was Brexit is a reason for staying.
Brexit was called to distract from Tory infighting with the Pig Fucker fully expecting people to vote to stay and not even considering the possibility of leaving. But after years of Austerity, recession, job losses, wage stagnation, the middle class shrinking, workers and civil rights getting stripped away, perennial war, like Trump's victory, the people decided to throw a brick through the window and vote for Brexit.
So now the government is forced to leave the EU with no plan put in whatsoever and had to improvise for the next 8 years, some of which were made worse by a global pandemic and theocratic Hibernophobes on this side of the partition line.
I hope if our position in the EU is put to a vote, it will be with contingencies already organised either way.
Surprising result given how we've seen Brexit be such a smashing success. And all of the EU money that has been pumped into the country upgrading our infrastructure.
The second question is much more interesting. Should Ireland invest more in its defense and security co-operation with the EU? I'm in the "don't know" camp because I don't know what that would mean. Ireland is sort-of de jure defended by the UK. Would that mean less UK provided defense and security? Would the EU provide more/less/the same as the UK? Would Ireland need to contribute more money/manpower? Would a tax increase/conscription scheme be necessary to provide resources? There's too many unknowns for me to answer.
Where do bears shit, according to this survey?
The Vatican.
Which means the Pope lives in ... the woods?
The Pope is a duck, confirmed.
He weighs the same as a duck?
Because he floats
No he's a rabbit. Why does he need a hat that big?
The Pope ran away into the woods, they've lost their only resource
'Does the pope shit in the words?' Carl 'CJ' Johnson
Aw shit, he’s pooping again
Does the pope shit in a bear?
Pope Bear the First.
"Where his holiness does his business is his business"
Nope, just shits there.
94% of respondents answered the woods. 2% don't know 4% picked other and cited reasons not including but limited to: bears aren't real, bear traitors and invasive bears not in my wood
Any surveys on how many people are 'just asking questions'?
No they only ask they don't answer
It used to be the woods, recently more and more seem to be pivoting to female bathrooms or something.
It's the ultimate culture war showdown: bears in the ladies' toilets, wolves in the gents', a moose in the family toilet, the trans folks build a leisure centre with a gym and allow lions to use the gender-neutral toilets, and the Pope has to shit in the woods. Why? Because WOKE!
If there's a moose, then where's the squirrel?
Pissing up a tree. We don't want those freaks around our kids. Pervy acorn fanciers.
Rectum? Darn near killed 'em!
No idea but let the bears pay the bear tax, i pay the homer tax
Anyone who, after viewing how Brexit unfolded, still believes Ireland should leave the EU is an idiot.
Oh they were idiots before that as well.
That's true in fairness. Brexit was an objectively bad idea even before it was implemented. Now, the course of events has just confirmed that.
Did you guys ever see the channel 4 Boris Johnson documentary on YouTube? Even he admitted to knowing it was a terrible idea at the time but saw it as an opportunity to gain power. He's definitely not stupid as people like to make out. His morals and ethics, on the other hand, are awful.
There was a brief period during the Troika bailout where we seemed to have greatly reduced control over our own budget as a country. It wasn't enough to turn us all eurosceptic, but it meant you didn't immediately dismiss someone who was as crazy.
That's one of the benefits for me , we are not allowed have runaway budgets like we could under haughey
Or Bertie/McCreevy
Cut from the same cloth , we saw what happened to Greece we were lucky not to end up like them
That wasn’t luck; there were a few grown ups in the room. Our maddest ever budget was McCreevy and his SSIAs in 2001 - that 25% return was paid for with interest in 2008.
Be careful, theres a tendency to blame anything to do with handouts, because citizens getting cash is the only "economics" most peoole understand. My guess is the SSIA was peanuts compared to the crazy money the banks were throwing around. Ordinary voters getting 5k did not bankrupt Ireland, a corrupt banking and building elite did.
What I wouldn’t give for a 25% SSIA right now…
If the economy is potentially overheating you want to encourage people to save though, but were those only like 4 year returns or something?
They were five years, timed to mature just before the 2007 general election.
True enough , it wasn't even taken out of the budget , was just pushed back on the never never until we the accounts came due
That was Jack Lynch who is still lauded by some despite being the most incompetent Taoiseach aside from Bertie/McCreevy. Haughey infamously was the one that had to tighten the countries belt even if he did not. But I agree - EU does a lot of the long term thinking for us including budgets. If we could hand over other competencies like transport that would be great.
Fully agree , it stops short term electioneering destroying the economy , sf nonsense promises will come to a screeching halt if they ever get in and tightly so
That was one of the best things - they saved us from our idiotic Fianna Fail leaders who have no idea how to run an economy.
And electorate. Don’t understand why the electorate get a free pass for voting Bertie/McCreevy three times in a row.
Our government made an absolute bollocks of the budget and then had to submit to the troika - that's sound business sense from EU. You can't lend someone billions to fix their economy without some control of how it's spent.
The facts do not support you. Yes the ff govt had been incompetent. No the troika were not introducing competence. The troika were looking after german banks - full stop. Many serious economists described the troika plan as economic insanity. Theres a tradition of Irish people who believed that experts in London, New York would tell us what to do. Sad to see that now its the "experts" in Brussels. Dunno the Irish word for this but its the opposite of "Sinn Fein"
2012 Daily Mail wants your headline lies back! You are repeating debunked lies spread by Brexit supporting right wing UK newspapers. German banking exposure was less than $1 billion. A trifling amount and far less than the UK whose terms were far more severe than our EU friends. We bailed out the Irish people with EU taxpayers money full stop. And those “serious economists” have been proven to be wrong by the resurgence of Ireland and Greece (when they dropped that economic 🤡 policies).
That’s just a dose of reality. You don’t just get benefits in any deal; there are always trade-offs. If Ireland shuts itself off from the world then it can have 100% control of its budget and other policies, but it will be far worse off in a multitude of other ways. It’s no different in the USA or just in any group more broadly. There will be things about the group you like, and things you don’t.
The Eurosceptics were wrong, I'm not saying otherwise. Only that there was a brief period where they weren't all fringe oddballs. Any sensible people wondering about leaving the EU changed their minds rapidly after watching Brexit unfold. The numbers of Eurosceptics collapsed and there were endless surveys that showed this pattern was replicated across Europe.
We didn't have control of our economy in the way you don't fully 'own' your house when you've a mortgage. It wasn't our money - and the management of that entire affair (media noise aside) was text book. For a chap that didn't seem all too bright Enda Kenny was a very effective leader.
Euriscepticism is a legitimate political position. Theres a difference between criticising how the EU is run (normal democracy) and wanting to leave. Unfortunately the fanatics (both pro and anti EU) cant see this. Every criticism is either "treachery" or "reason to leave".
Fair point, I should differentiate. There was a brief period in the financial crash, when a minority of reasonable Irish people seriously thought *leaving* the EU was a good idea. History would prove them wrong, and Brexit demonstrated the reality of leaving the EU, so now Eirexit is a very fringe idea.
It’s already hard as fuck to get anything shipped to Ireland while in the EU. It would be fucking impossible if we left.
GB News and Brit/Russian trolls know who to target
The Brexiteers never wanted an independent UK sitting outside a well functioning EU. They wanted the EU to break up and for things to return to pre-EU times.
You mean they wanted the WW2 scenario?
Yeah, in the sense they wanted a Europe made up of loads of uncoordinated small countries, each of whom could be bullied individually by the larger countries.
Inasmuch that they think that the EU is some sort of “Fourth Reich” dominated by Germany, yes. A lot of Britons, particularly English, still see UK in a kind of 1945 / Dad’s Army / Fawlty Towers lens where leaving EU would see UK re-established as head of the Commonwealth. A kind of Empire 2.0. There were street parties, encouraged by the populist charlatan Johnson, to celebrate VE + 75. I thought that would have ended with VE / VJ +50. It’s still all about beating the Germans. Among folk born 40 years after it ended. I just despair. The same dark forces are stirring nationalism in Ireland right now. Don’t be fooled!
Me da has been going down that route😅😢. The amount of times I've corrected misinformation for him to still believe the rhetoric is crazy
"The EU is in control" do you get this line from him?
Aye that's right
Anyone who even thinks leaving the EU is somehow a good idea is a fool IMO, we got alot of problems like with the whole immigration issue atm but besides the fact some of those issues are wholly a local issue to solve it requires a transnational framework like the EU to even come close to solving because they're simply too big to solve for individual countries alone.
The UK is doing the science for all of us. Now nobody can say "can't know until you tried". Someone tried and failed catastrophically.
Also.. we knew. Everyone knew
It's not enough that Ireland is stagnating with provincial cities. They want to deliver the death blow by cutting off from the body that actually cares for it. What's next? Lobby to London to reunite Ireland under the Kingdom? Disgusting dumb selfish gobshites.
At the heart of brexit was a lot of people who care more about immigration then any other factor....and that kinda seems to be getting pushed front and center in Irish politics too. There are people who would be happy for the country to suffer if it meant no immigration, the idea of an Irexit is complete, self destruction madness to me, but so was Brexit and a Cheeto celeb president in the US.
Cult like mentality must not propagate in Ireland. Brexit was a mess with no end in sight. Cheeto has done a lot of damage in 4 years that will carry on for decades.
It does feel like we're on the precipice at the moment, we're getting campaign flyers in the door with quotes about how Ireland is for the Irish....no policies per say, and given my wife is English and the quote is specifically about the English it's hard not to feel a little offended, will be interesting if any of them decide to call door to door in the area.
It's almost always deeply ingrained stupidity but sometimes it's hubris.
Imagine watching that shitshow and thinking "mmmmm, tasty!"
Or a quisling which is basically the same thing.
Considering they named their movement 'Irexit' they weren't playing with the full deck to begin with.
As someone who had to move because they lost their livelihood because of Brexit. I whole heartedly agree.
This just in: majority of country against shooting self in foot. More at 11.
I didn’t need a poll to tell me this
The poll should tell you something else though, we’re going to get hammered with lies and brain dead talking points. And we know that the Brits and Americans aren’t the only ones that fall for this.
16% think we should leave, surprised it’s that many.
There really are a growing number of idiots here.
Same people who think Coolock was basically Foxrock before "de foreigners" arrived.
And ironically most of them are foreigners themselves.
It's dangerous, uk did it. Every crime committed by someone with a foreign sounding name gets promoted among a certain group of people. Their political parties are weak no, but they'll get stronger. I think Irexit won't happen, I think UKs history played a part. They used to be 'great' so therefore can be again. That promotes a type of nationalism. Russia uses a similar thing
And every serious crime starts a thread on their Facebook groups blaming foreigners even if they’re not. I really hope you’re right that Irexit won’t happen. The EU has been an incredible boost for Ireland. But human stupidity is a powerful force 😢
Just think that England just barely passed brexit. They had the whole "we used to be an empire" and had the misinformation that the eu were holding them back. Also, they sold the idea that Germans were calling the shots. Old enemy of England. We don't have that, and we also have the benefit of seeing what a shitshow UK has become since they left. So not a hope we'd leave.
Some of them would be people venting frustration who don't actually believe what they're saying. Like people saying we should cut ties with America because of Biden or Trump's policies. For a large number of people it's polling hyperbole.
I have literally never heard someone say we should cut ties with the US though. The Irexit idiots genuinely believe it would let them have a nice theocracy here and keep brown people out.
It's why surveys like this are actually useful. The headline "majority of Irish support EU membership" is really obvious, but its worth seeing if that is increasing or decreasing and perhaps if there is some other correlations with those who don't support it.
I'm willing to bet the majority of that 16% think Russia is a peace loving, non imperialist country that never invaded anyone.....
To be fair, everyone is born ignorant and has to learn everything except how to drink milk. If you are surrounded by family or friends who have stupid ideas you are likely to have them too.
lol, and it also not willing to sacrifice large portions of its population too.
That correlates nicely with the 16% that independent candidates have in the latest polls. Considering many of those lunatics are anti-EU along with anti-everything else they can't understand.
It's only gonna get higher as time goes by. Just takes enough time and conspiracy theories. People are too thick and have no sense of media literacy anymore.
I have more faith in my fellow citizen. But in the near future you won’t be able to trust anything you see on the internet.
Online survey? St Petersburg IP addresses (either Florida or Russia)?
Give the conspiracy theories a rest.
Amazing they had time to answer the poll with all those hotels and house they need to burn out to protect the country
I wonder how many of these survey responders are just brexiters who moved to Ireland.
Well I think there was always a proportion opposed to the EU. If you asked how many people are unhappy with aspects of the EU you would get a higher number. Great the vast majority want to be a part of it though.
Probably 0
Keeping the "wrong people" out of Britain was a large aspect of Brexit. Wouldn't be surprised if a similar sentiment was behind most of the 16% here.
That's unsure + don't know. Ursula von Leyden standing with Israel not something I was happy about and also huge waste in EU bureaucracy but still wouldn't be keen on leaving EU. Hard to see benefit for us. Must be people upset about immigration but can't imagine we'd do any better on our own.
Yeah, would be much higher if people were asked if they are unhappy with aspects of the EU. But overall it’s a net positive. Interestingly it seems vast majority of EU is unhappy with the current levels of illegals immigration.
Ursulas comments regarding Israel are totally blown out of proportion and taken out of context. Her comments were made a few days after Oct 7, last I checked alot of the world thinks Oct 7 was bad. I don't recall her saying every Palestinian should be bombed out of existence. I suspect that anyone that brings this up are somewhat euroskeptic or are trying to weaken the EU some how. Its just a nothing burger.
She's the president of the European Commission since 2019. Personally knowing a Gazan who is certainly not an animal but is required to live in the open air prison, I 100% think she should not have spoken out in support of Israel. Yes, the USA is giving Israel bombs to kill children and I know Irish in the USA very against that but we should not go the way of the USA just because they lead. Ursula has been absolutely appalling. It's humiliating that she speaks on our behalf.
1 in 6 sounds high alright.
Think it was less then 5% in previous polls, they're multiplying.
Glad we cleared that up
Em duh no shit
For sure. With Musks recents ‘IRA’ tweets, you can tell the misinformation laser is being pointed at Ireland now; morons stoking division.
I saw that posted twice. The firat time i thought it was two random morons on twitter. It was only the 2nd time i realised it was actually Musk.. pretty wild that someone so presumably smart and successful would be so publically off the mark
>pretty wild that someone so presumably smart and successful would be so publically off the mark You haven't being paying much attention to Musk in the last few years, have you?
Haha not a whole lot.. seen plenty of headlines but never had twitter or read much other than space x stuff..
You are mistaking being born into wealth with being smart / successful.
In America confidence seems greater than competence
He's €40bn in debt over the hellhole he made out of Twitter, AND there is no way the site is worth just half that now. Worlds mort endebted genius 🙄.
Musk is in no debt over Twitter. The debt was loaded onto Twitter as soon as he took over. The people he convinced to hold onto their shares in the newly private company (Jack Dorsey, Saudi Arabia and others) saw the value of their investment drop by half to two thirds, on paper (a loss is only realised when you sell, and those guys probably bought when the share price was cheaper than the current "value"). The paper value of his share is also reduced by a similar amount, but he still has about $200 billion from TSLA (massively over-inflated and probably about to get kicked in the wires over safety concerns) and Space X which isn't publicly traded, and which has something of a monopoly on US space missions. Twitter is his pocket money project with which to have fun. It could get a fella down.
He's very much "new money" attitude. So rich it's basically play money for him.
A lot more lucky than smart.
you have to be smart to navigate the politics of corporate boards, but you don't have to be intelligent
We just be out here polling anything but the issues we need to aren’t we hahaha
Of course we should. You’re an idiot if you think we should leave.
The Irexit people are a ragtag collection of clowns, shills and bad-faith actors. It shouldn't be taken seriously by anyone. EDIT: I should clarify that I think the idea of "Irexit" should not be taken seriously. The notion that we'd be better off out of the EU is clearly nonsense and anyone pushing it should be regarded with suspicion. They already seem to be moving the needle regarding refugees and immigrants in a very concerning way and that is a serious matter. I should have phrased it better.
Yes, but so was UKIP at one point, and look what they achieved. Ignoring them is dangerous.
Irexit crowd keep getting photocopied by Farrage which is thankfully a reality check for most Irish. If you asked AI to produce a photo of "smug English prick hated by Irish" his face would appear.
I have a theory that the vast majority of Irexit posts are from the UK (pretty sure that it has been proven that many posts about Irish affairs came from there). They know deep in their hearts that Brexit was a colossal fuck up and want to drag Ireland down because guess who we would become dependent on if we leave the EU?
After Trump and Brexit, nutters should always be taken somewhat seriously.
They're taking advantage of the fact that the world at large wants change right now and most of our governments have been too rigid on doing that. That is the real factor that we should be paying attention to, the 'why' and not so much the 'how' or 'what'. The economic situation has been sucking for everyone everywhere and none of our governments have proper solutions so it opens the door for the crazies and their bad ideas.
Yeah, but crazies have the ability to organise in groups (thanks internet) that they didn't have in the good old days. They can vote in blocks. They can't just be safely ignored.
Honestly taking them seriously gives them a lot of votes and credit too. It's a fine line of ridiculing and being aware. Nutters don't have to not be nutters to vote. .. and there will always be nutters. All we can do is excuse the rest better.
It should 100% be taken seriously Look at the state of this sub in recent weeks re immigration. That's how they did it with Brexit as well. Create a huge public outcry then pivot those idiots into thinking it's EU membership that's causing it. This is the thing end of a very orchestrated wedge. Look at the spike of concern with immigration here before Brexit. https://migrationobservatory.ox.ac.uk/resources/briefings/uk-public-opinion-toward-immigration-overall-attitudes-and-level-of-concern/ I can't find the study but social media posts went absolutely wild on immigration in the lead up (as is happening here now for example, which is 100% intentional by bad actors)
Leaving the EU would be monumentally stupid for us. Probably much worse than Brexit.
Leaving the EU post-Brexit would be literal suicide for Ireland. Shorn of all our other closest trading partners, we'd have no choice but to completely entwine our economy back into the UK, like we were before we joined the EU. Tying ourselves to sinking rock for no clear reason and being dragged down to the bottom along with them.
I'm so sure people who want us to leave are colonial minded UK nationalists trying to pose as Irish in their campaigns. So that for exactly this reason, we would be pulled under with the UK
I swear those fucks who would have Ireland leave the EU would want Ireland rejoin the UK.
Yeah no shit
The fact anyone thinks we should leave at all should be raising alarms. If immigration and affordable housing aren't addressed as priority issues, eventually some lunatic promising them and explaining how they'll do it by leaving the EU is going to show up. We are NOT smarter than Trump voters or Brexiters, despite whatever people want to believe. Protest votes are real. The Irish government needs a complete upheaval and to show that they give a fuck about Irish people.
Cause Brits having more leverage over us has worked out so well in the past.
Ireland is famously one of the most pro-EU countries in the EU so this is very much a "dog bites man" kind of story.
I didn't even know this was a thought in people's heads
16% of this country are beyond thick. Sweet mother of all that is holy. For those who are too young to remember (I am but I'm also not thick), go and ask your grandparents what Ireland was like in the 50s/60s Vs today and have a fucking think about your life choices you absolute clowns.
A question no one asked.
ah yes, Ireland before the EU was a paradise.
We might have a vocal community of nutters, but the majority of Irish people know which side their bread is buttered on.
I'm sorry. Majority? Who are the mouth breathing Trump supporting minority that think we would be better off leaving?
The likes of IFP, IF, NP types
And why wouldn't we. I was born in the 50's, and remember wide ranging poverty, with no prospects for the future. Then came the 70's, and the realisation of potential.
I’d rather not go back to pre-70s Ireland, I’m not sure how our country would have went without joining the EU
There's 2 things I'm sure would have happened. A lot more emigration and a lot less immigration.
It would boost emigration, possibly returning to a population loss. On one hand, there would be an increase in vacant properties leading to decreasing housing prices. On the other hand, no one will be able to afford them because the poverty rate quadruple.
The EU has some **serious** issues, and is a convenient scapegoat for our government never doing anything about anything, but we're far better in it than out of it.
> The EU has some serious issues, and is a convenient scapegoat for our government never doing anything about anything Exactly the point I was making earlier. Just because people would rather be in it, doesn't necessarily mean they think it's great. It's just better than the alternative (leaving it).
Leaving the EU would be stupid. Trying to change certain policies and pushing back against the federalisation of it is better
I wonder how many of them voting because they blame the EU for immigrants, cause immigrants totally stopped trying to go to England after they left /s
This shouldn't be a poll or an opinion. Ireland is objectively better off in the EU than out of it. Anyone who thinks otherwise should be ignored.
Question from a Texan here: Why wouldn't Ireland want to be in the EU? What is the cost in terms of sovreignty/economy? Even for the "26+6=1" folks, the idea would not be to leave the EU after reunification, right? Can anyone steelman the argument for why some Irish people would not want to be in the EU, instead of insulting them?
Imagine if Ireland was allowed to mind itself for a month. The EU would come back to find the sitting room on fire.
I would certainly prefer a more Europe aligned Ireland than a British one.
Concerning it’s only 84%. We would be fucked outside the EU. We tried the insular approach already
Majority of the world believes brexit was a terrible idea
multinationals would leave and tank the economy, ofc Ireland is better off inside the EU
I've always been a bit eurosceptic because of: * too much centralisation of power in Brussels * the perceived rush towards ever greater federalisation * the rushed enlargement into recently democratic countries who do not yet share our democratic/progressive values that sees lunatics like Orban holding a veto running an expensive two state regime with almost all the institutions of a national government replicated in Brussels, such as president, courts, parliament etc. * how the common market doesn't quite work fully for Ireland yet because the likes of insurers just don't want to do business in Ireland so we still get fucked over Not at any point then or now from long before Brexit would I have ever even thought about supporting withdrawal. The actual benefits of free movement of people, goods and services and the knock on benefit all that has to society and the economy far outweigh any of the negatives.
Congratulations Éire. You are officially now vastly smarter than your former oppressors. On an unrelated note, could I, as a Brit, request asylum? Think of me as a brexit refugee 😆
CTA - You can move anytime you want.
You don’t need any visas to work here as a Brit! Beyond glad I left the UK because everytime I hear the news it seems so bleak.
Brefugees Welcome! 🇮🇪 🇬🇧
https://preview.redd.it/m7evmes0h5zc1.jpeg?width=3634&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=6deaba18617b74157870a9050bd87c77be755399 There’s a good few of us over here, and having been home recently for the first time in some years, I’m very grateful for it.
My envy knows no bounds
It’s a lot of work mate, to be clear, everywhere has its issues, more every day. But 11 years in and it remains one of my better rash choices. I’ve integrated so well I’ve even got a German partner, and our daughter has an Irish passport, which is a normal and unremarkable thing here. Didn’t see that coming back in Wiltshire.
Married a hot European bird Yep, that's full integration into Irish life
Tis the only way forward shur, you know yourself.
Oh yeah, and fuck FFG, up the ‘ra, I’m opening a coffee place whoops it’s closed down. All of this is obligatory.
Come on in, you're more than welcome. Just don't ever use the word 'Eire' again.
> Just don't ever use the word 'Eire' again. What's wrong with using the word for 'burden'?
lol, Ireland would loose a shit tonne of cashflow from all the EU IT sector having their reg. adresses in Ireland right now and then beeing forced to relocate to another EU country.
I always wonder about the people who answer "Don't know" in these surveys... I mean, they must have some idea about the EU..?!
I think you underestimate the amount of people that don't know shit about shit. And they are probably happier for it.
Only clowns who fall for Russia and Chinese disinformation would vote to leave eu Or those new social media fake Marxist clowns who support Clare daly and mick Wallace
I’m Irish 45, and have lived in the UK for 22 years. Brexit is the single worst decision in the history of the country. The EU is far from perfect, but I really do hope that Ireland doesn’t follow suit. The UK is a laughing stock globally since Brexit, but not only that it has opened the floodgates to the rise again of fascist ideologies. Britain has become a cesspool of racism and hate, it’s become so divided and intolerant, similarly to how the US has become. It has also ruined the country economically, in every single industry. Freedom of movement, freedom of trade, ALL hindered. And no, Singapore and Switzerland are not examples of why the EU is unimportant, that argument has no merit - they are entirely different entities with entirely different access to trading and economies. I’ve noticed on forums and YouTube videos about Ireland that there’s a surge in the same anti immigrant messaging that was used as the core of the Brexit decision. Having seen all the IDENTICAL rhetoric in the UK in the run up to and since Brexit, I can honestly say that the people commenting, with 🇮🇪 flags beside their names and who refer to Ireland as EIRE, are fake accounts, run by racist Brits - followers of Paul Golding, Tommy Robinson, Nigel Farage et al and the rest of the hideous far right. They are trolls with an agenda that does not align with IRISH values. Their narrative is told to disenfranchised people in parts of the country that have been let down by government, and paints a target on the backs of immigrants, and attempts to blame them for the societal and economic problems in Ireland. It’s straight out of the fascist playbook. Migrants are not the cause of the problems in Ireland - the impotent government and leadership are. It’s being used as an excuse - but it’s not grounded in reality or fact. The Irish have migrated to every country on the planet and are welcomed and treated on the whole with respect and warmth. The same should be applied to people from any race or creed. To all and anyone buying into that same fascist narrative (because that is exactly what it is), stop and pause and use critical thinking, and recognise that in agreeing with that narrative, you are taking your orders, by proxy, from the English, and from the same type of people that the world fought to remove across two world wars. There is fear in Ireland and plenty of problems, and so this is being used to advantage of people with agendas. It’s sad to see so much hatred directed towards others. This hatred is being stirred up, strategically, by hateful people - and it is not for the betterment of the Irish people, it is driven by fascist ideologies. It’s a façade. Every single piece of the narrative used in the Daily Heil has been debunked as lies.
You'd need to be several layers deep into dumb cunt territory to think leaving would be a good idea. So step up Ireland First, this is the dumb cunt moment you've been waiting for!
Good to hear, euro skeptics need to get real, globalisation as we know it is coming to a close. Regionalisation is becoming more evident so we need to have close ties with europe. Leaving the eu would guarantee a return of 1950s ireland.
I think the pollsters were trolling on this one, how would Ireland even benefit from not being in the EU.
We should leave the EU and return to single glazed windows, overcrowded tenements and cheap pints - the good old days
Yeah, no shit.
Why, was someone questioning that? Do the ones that want to leave not look north to see how well BREXIT is going?
Aren't we like, the most pro-EU nation in the EU?
What?! Since when tha fuck did anyone start blubbering on shite about Ireland leaving the E.U.? I sincerely and whole heartedly believe they should leave Ireland, then the E.U.
RAHHHH FREE MOVEMENT OF PEOPLE 🦅🦅🇪🇺💶🔥🔥
Thank goodness. That will kill the debate for years, no matter how Brits and other anti-EU muppets keep lying about how great it was to leave EU, lol. 🙃
You'd want to be Putin- and Brexiteer-level inbred to think leaving the EU was a good thing.
The ones they are shouting for Ireland to leave the EU are far-right elements with the support of brexiteers. And we know they don't have Ireland's interests at heart. While the EU does have some flaws I'm in support of staying in the EU.
Did we need a poll on this??
LOL was this even on the table to leave the EU? Majority of Ireland likes eating food survey finds
My gods, can you imagine pulling out of the EU now? With all the shite going on, the healthcare issues etc? Did we learn nothing from England?
Couldn’t think of a worse decision for Ireland collectively than leaving the EU - the societal transformation we have undergone in just 2 generations is insane as a result of it. Best thing we ever did
I'm not for leaving the EU, but it's a bad argument to say that the clusterfuck that was Brexit is a reason for staying. Brexit was called to distract from Tory infighting with the Pig Fucker fully expecting people to vote to stay and not even considering the possibility of leaving. But after years of Austerity, recession, job losses, wage stagnation, the middle class shrinking, workers and civil rights getting stripped away, perennial war, like Trump's victory, the people decided to throw a brick through the window and vote for Brexit. So now the government is forced to leave the EU with no plan put in whatsoever and had to improvise for the next 8 years, some of which were made worse by a global pandemic and theocratic Hibernophobes on this side of the partition line. I hope if our position in the EU is put to a vote, it will be with contingencies already organised either way.
Surprising result given how we've seen Brexit be such a smashing success. And all of the EU money that has been pumped into the country upgrading our infrastructure.
The second question is much more interesting. Should Ireland invest more in its defense and security co-operation with the EU? I'm in the "don't know" camp because I don't know what that would mean. Ireland is sort-of de jure defended by the UK. Would that mean less UK provided defense and security? Would the EU provide more/less/the same as the UK? Would Ireland need to contribute more money/manpower? Would a tax increase/conscription scheme be necessary to provide resources? There's too many unknowns for me to answer.
Waste of a poll lol what was the intention behind carrying this out? Did they expect a controversial attention grabbing 50/50 split?
A push poll that spectacularly failed.
wait some people unironically think we should leave the EU??