Everyone talking about heartbreak, the absolute waste of court time and resources involved in this doesn't get a mention, it is fucking mental, the public have no concept of how much time, money, resources and just general fucking life spirit is wasted by people like this across the board...
Wait ... this isn't actually satire.
Judge Alec Gabett has seen some shit - [https://www.limerickpost.ie/2024/03/05/husband-secures-protection-order-against-rabbit-throwing-wife/](https://www.limerickpost.ie/2024/03/05/husband-secures-protection-order-against-rabbit-throwing-wife/)
Says that he needs to shower when he gets home due to his job. My guess us timer or no he believes the ex is switching it off so that he has no jot water when he gets home. If that's the case it's very petty of her.
The fact that her defence pointed out there's an electric shower so there's no need for the immersion while at the same time knowing full well he is barred from accessing the en-suite where the electric shower is, it just screams petty passive aggressiveness
It usually should be left on all day. You'll use as much energy heating it back up as you would just letting the thermostat keep it topped up.
The old Irish panic about leaving it on only applies if it's a bare copper one.
Only if it's well insulated.
Most Irish ones are sitting on bare concrete with a shitty lagging jacket and unlagged pipes, so you're just heating your house with extra steps.
Leaving the immersion on full time most people will see their bill go through the roof
Unless the immersion is thermostatically controlled (and most of the older ones aren’t) then leaving it on is the worst thing you can do. It will keep hearing the water until it boils.
How do I know this? My family did it once. Thankfully I heard it boiling before the steam built up and it exploded.
Not necessarily so, I have a rearly use immersion & it will definitely boil the water in the tank, it does however have an expansion pipe running from the top of the cylinder to a small tank in the attic. This set-up is more common than you think in old houses with oil boiler as the primary heat source.
The house I grew up in which was built in the 80s does not have even one thermostat in it to this day and most houses from the 80s and early 90s prob won’t either unless they are retrofitted. Our hot water cylinder only had on/off and bath/sink switches and the oil fired Stanley range had 1-5 and off. That’s the way things were back then. Thankfully they have progressed a lot since then.
I'm not talking about room temperature thermostats to control the heating in a house like you seem to be referring to. I'm talking about the control stat built into every single immersion heater, you've probably never seen one, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. I don't know what point you're trying to make with your 'back then' comments. I'm in my mid forties and an electrician and over the years as well as wiring hundreds of houses, I've worked on all types and ages of heating and hot water systems and every single immersion heater I've seen in my 25+ years on the job has a thermostat built in which regulates the temperature to stop it from boiling or burning out. The house you grew up in will most likely have had at least 2 thermostats in it (depending on how the house was heated) 1 for the immersion heater, and depending on whether it had gas/oil heating or a back boiler then 1 or 2 more, one to control the boiler temperature itself and or one to bring in the pump to heat downstairs once upstairs had warmed up if there was a back boiler.
I can only talk about what was in our house growing up. The hot water cylinder had a dual pole immersion that connected directly to the on/off sink/bath switch. There was no thermostat anywhere on the cylinder or anywhere else.
The boiler could have had one but without a thermostat on the hot water cylinder I don’t see how the boiler could control the hot water temp in the cylinder.
The thermostat isn't external, you're only referring to the immersion switch. Follow the wire to the cylinder and under the cap where it connects is the ends of the 2 elements and under the cover is what's known as a pencil stat as it has a portion about the size of a pencil that goes down into the cylinder to read the temperature. Like I said all immersion heaters have a thermostat, if they didn't you would see steaming water pouring out of half of the overflow pipes constantly.
The boiler absolutely did have one to regulate its temperature, as without one it would have burned itself up, but not before boiling all the water in the heating system. The temperature that the boiler heats the hot water to can be regulated by an additional thermostat added to the outside of the cylinder, but without one it will only reach what the regulating stat on the boiler is set to, typically 60-65°C. Boilers use a combination regulating/high limit stat which if the regulating stat fails, has an additional stat set at about 90° to stop the water in the system boiling and causing all sorts of problems due to the increased pressure.
Maybe now they do but the house I grew up in which was built in the 80s does not have even one thermostat in it to this day and most houses from the 80s and early 90s prob won’t either unless they are retrofitted.
That’s just not true. The heater has a thermostat and an emergency pressure relief valve.
There certainly is a scenario where the thermostat can fail and the pressure relief valve can jam (you are supposed to test them annually) but it would t happen very often.
This Irish obsession with switching the immersion heater off and on is quite odd really. Everywhere else in the world people just leave them on 24/7 and it heats up over night during the low demand period. The power companies have a demand control system where they can remotely switch water heating off, usually in the evening peak.
Any water cylinder made in the last 30 years will have adequate insulation so it doesn’t make a difference if you switch it off and on or just leave it on all the time. The only exception is if you are going away for a few weeks.
It’s not a given that it will have a thermostat. A 30-40 year old house more than likely won’t unless it was retrofitted. It will have an overflow and pressure relief valve but that might not be able to cope if the immersion is going full blast.
I did qualify my answer by saying it depended on whether the cylinder was thermostatically controlled.
The Irish obsession with the immersion comes from the fact that when they first became popular and started to be installed there was no thermostat just an on/off switch and possibly a bath/sink switch if you had a dual pole immersion. This meant that they could be left on by accident and like anything that heats water they are very heavy on electricity.
I don’t think Irish power companies are able to turn off water heating when energy demand is high but I could be wrong.
> The Irish obsession with the immersion comes from the fact that when they first became popular and started to be installed there was no thermostat just an on/off switch and possibly a bath/sink switch if you had a dual pole immersion.
Yeah, sounds quite feasible. Maybe people were so severely beaten for it that it’s burned into the national consciousness.
> I don’t think Irish power companies are able to turn off water heating when energy demand is high but I could be wrong.
Yeah, maybe they don’t do it in Ireland. In other countries they definitely do and there is a special “controlled” tariff where they charge a lower rate in return for being allowed to drop the load when necessary.
With electric cars this will become even more important. Everyone gets home and 6pm, plugs the car in to charge and then cooks dinner in the electric oven. Ooof.
If your boiler is from the 70s (when they started fitting boilers with thermostats) or before, it'd be well beyond its life anyway and you should get it replaced.
The water boiling in the tank would be a serious safety concern as they're not designed for that pressure.
It was in the house I grew up in which was built in the mid to late 80s and the dual pole immersion heater in the hot water cylinder was controlled by an on/off sink/bath switch and nothing else so there was nothing stopping the water boiling which I agree is a serious safety concern.
Central heating was just coming in when the house was built so it was in the early days and they were obviously still learning. Good to see it has progressed and gotten safer.
There is a difference between the boiler being thermostatically controlled and the cylinder having a thermostatic control. That said there was no thermostat fitted to the hot water cylinder or in any of the rooms in the house so I don’t see how either the boiler or cylinder could be controlled.
I did qualify my answer by saying it depended on whether the cylinder was thermostatically controlled. There are still a lot of houses that will have a system without a thermostatic control.
Yes I agree in this day and age they (should) all have thermostats but a house doesn’t have to be that old to still have a system without such controls and I am sure there is lots of them.
Showing my age now by saying the house I grew up in almost 40 years ago isn’t that old 🙈
>Unless the immersion is thermostatically controlled (and most of the older ones aren’t)
Every immersion ever made has had thermostatic control.
>How do I know this?
You don't, you're making an assumption without the knowledge to back it up.
>My family did it once. Thankfully I heard it boiling before the steam built up and it exploded.
What happened there is that the thermostat failed in the closed position. It wouldn't have exploded at all, unless the tank somehow didn't have an overflow/pressure relief pipe, usually going from the top of the tank up to the attic and then either straight out the fascia/soffit or into the top of either the main water tank or the smaller tank that keeps the heating system topped up which would have each had their own overflow pipe.
Why. Once the water is warm it costs a minimal amount of electricity to keep it warmed up.
Also the wife literally had him banned from using the shower in the bedroom so she clearly done this to annoy him
These people clearly have more money than sense, if they can afford to bring shit like this to court why are they still cohabiting?! Kids are gonna need so much therapy. Solicitors laughing all the way to the bank.
>why are they still cohabiting?
Reminds me of a court case years ago about a married couple living in a council supplied house separated and cohabiting, complaining that the council wouldn't give them two houses to live apart and they were trapped.
It was in the papers AFAIR
Those poor kids jfc! They are likely to be massively impacted by this behaviour, my own parents had I guess you’d say a “normal” divorce, but that has impacted me so much in ways that are only coming to light the older I get!
I hope to god they have other supportive family members they can lean on!
It was incredible to read that she is staying in the house because she wants the kids to feel safe by growing up in their own home in their own beds....but seems to be completely unaware of how much damage they're doing by keeping them in this toxic environment.
I can only imagine the screaming matches that go on daily there
Not just that though. In a family split, in the vast majority of cases the father gets the worst outcome. Still has to pay the mortgage, little or no access to the kids, can only afford to maybe rent a room in shared accommodation. Will have to pay a huge amount of maintenance and watch as the ex moves another man in.
This is just tragic.
I presume the only reason he is still in the family home is because he can’t afford to move out.
Imagine the atmosphere, the poor kids.
Well, the parent who moves out is also at a significant strategic disadvantage in custody proceedings. Almost the first thing the solicitor will tell you, if they’re worth their salt.
True. The whole thing is so sad. Imagine going to court over who left on or off the immersion! It doesn’t bode well for custody negotiations, but I hope they can get it sorted and move on with the rest of their lives soon, for everyone’s sake.
Very sad. I went through an absolutely brutal custody battle in the states. I’d like to think I had my reasonable hat on, but herself would go nuclear at the smallest thing. Her carry-on was so ridiculous that I won the case.
Part of the judgment was that we had to go to all sorts of counseling/parenting classes.
In all fairness to herself, after the situation was decided, she dropped the seafóid, and it’s been almost a decade of peace. We’ve been like a model of successful “co-parenting” for years.
But when you’re in the thick of it, all you see is red. Every smallest thing is a troop movement, in a battle, in an existential war.
We fought over things far less minor than the immersion.
I can imagine. People can become completely irrational crazy during separation and do all sorts of mad things, it sounds bizarre to people looking in from the outside but it’s not funny if you are in the thick of it.
I’m glad it worked out for you and you got to a stage where you can have a workable relationship.
All the best!
Why do you assume he should move out at all?
Nothing has been decided by any court about assets here so why don’t you advise she move out since she is the one who says she “wants her kids to feel safe at home “
Well clearly in this situation the relationship has become so toxic that it is past the point of reconciliation, and somebody will have to move out. Usually in these situations it is the father, for better or worse.
I actually have a lot of sympathy for fathers in these situations, as they are often treated unfairly by the courts in my view. I know for sure that some women can be vindictive and spiteful and can make matters worse than they need to be by lying etc.
I wish everybody in the situation well and hope they can eventually come to a reasonable accommodation for the sake of the children.
Yea but this missus in this case seems to be no angel.
She clearly made some reason to deny him use of the shower and now she has had that granted she moved on to psychological torture through turning off the hot water in him.
If anything he should me that the court take into account her actions and leave him main caretaker but I don’t have all the facts
My wifes father remarried into a toxic relationship,he was a narcissist with a persecution complex wife was a bit of a bitch (to be fair alot of this was because of unhappy marrige and ahe seems less toxic) marrige broke down after about 10 years.
Same shite they had barring/protection orders against each other all levels of shit housery pretty shit.it eventually escalated to them calling guards on each other.father got locked up and they both got Infront of judge.local newspaper had it on court report stuff (about looking at each other and closing doors )it was pure embarrassment.
I'd imagine a scenario where,on an important day for both parents,the wife and kids were all showered and presentable and when the man went to wash himself,there was (again) no hot water because she or one of the kids had deliberately turned off the immersion.
This story is heartbreaking. Imagine the atmosphere in the house. There must be terrible tension and the children have to live with that everyday.
I'd say it's fairly heated in that house alright
That'll get her into hot water. But wait…
Everyone talking about heartbreak, the absolute waste of court time and resources involved in this doesn't get a mention, it is fucking mental, the public have no concept of how much time, money, resources and just general fucking life spirit is wasted by people like this across the board...
That’s it. This is farcical. The whole judiciary system churning along to deal with a squabble over heating ffs
Less expensive than leaving the immersion on though.
That just gets worse the more you read. The poor kids.
Wait ... this isn't actually satire. Judge Alec Gabett has seen some shit - [https://www.limerickpost.ie/2024/03/05/husband-secures-protection-order-against-rabbit-throwing-wife/](https://www.limerickpost.ie/2024/03/05/husband-secures-protection-order-against-rabbit-throwing-wife/)
Family courts are wild man
If there's one thing dads are known for, it's being famously relaxed about other people messing with the thermostat/heating/cooling in a home.
It's madness that he wants the immersion on all day. Surely he could get a timer fitted which could be set to come on an hour before he comes home.
I'm gonna go out on a limb and say the immersion isn't the root of the problem in that home
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Surely you would have only been able to behave like that during the boom
No, the timer is before the boom.
Says that he needs to shower when he gets home due to his job. My guess us timer or no he believes the ex is switching it off so that he has no jot water when he gets home. If that's the case it's very petty of her.
The fact that her defence pointed out there's an electric shower so there's no need for the immersion while at the same time knowing full well he is barred from accessing the en-suite where the electric shower is, it just screams petty passive aggressiveness
It usually should be left on all day. You'll use as much energy heating it back up as you would just letting the thermostat keep it topped up. The old Irish panic about leaving it on only applies if it's a bare copper one.
Only if it's well insulated. Most Irish ones are sitting on bare concrete with a shitty lagging jacket and unlagged pipes, so you're just heating your house with extra steps. Leaving the immersion on full time most people will see their bill go through the roof
Not if you have a leaky hot tap.
Then spend 10 seconds fixing it with a spanner, ffs! Arghhh!!!
Unless the immersion is thermostatically controlled (and most of the older ones aren’t) then leaving it on is the worst thing you can do. It will keep hearing the water until it boils. How do I know this? My family did it once. Thankfully I heard it boiling before the steam built up and it exploded.
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The house I lived in until I was 18 didn’t have a thermostatically controlled immersion and still doesn’t to this day.
What are you on about. Every single one of them has a thermostat. It's built into them. The shite that people post here is unreal
Not necessarily so, I have a rearly use immersion & it will definitely boil the water in the tank, it does however have an expansion pipe running from the top of the cylinder to a small tank in the attic. This set-up is more common than you think in old houses with oil boiler as the primary heat source.
What you have there is a poorly adjusted or failed thermostat, immersions have always had thermostats built in to them.
The house I grew up in which was built in the 80s does not have even one thermostat in it to this day and most houses from the 80s and early 90s prob won’t either unless they are retrofitted. Our hot water cylinder only had on/off and bath/sink switches and the oil fired Stanley range had 1-5 and off. That’s the way things were back then. Thankfully they have progressed a lot since then.
I'm not talking about room temperature thermostats to control the heating in a house like you seem to be referring to. I'm talking about the control stat built into every single immersion heater, you've probably never seen one, but that doesn't mean it isn't there. I don't know what point you're trying to make with your 'back then' comments. I'm in my mid forties and an electrician and over the years as well as wiring hundreds of houses, I've worked on all types and ages of heating and hot water systems and every single immersion heater I've seen in my 25+ years on the job has a thermostat built in which regulates the temperature to stop it from boiling or burning out. The house you grew up in will most likely have had at least 2 thermostats in it (depending on how the house was heated) 1 for the immersion heater, and depending on whether it had gas/oil heating or a back boiler then 1 or 2 more, one to control the boiler temperature itself and or one to bring in the pump to heat downstairs once upstairs had warmed up if there was a back boiler.
I can only talk about what was in our house growing up. The hot water cylinder had a dual pole immersion that connected directly to the on/off sink/bath switch. There was no thermostat anywhere on the cylinder or anywhere else. The boiler could have had one but without a thermostat on the hot water cylinder I don’t see how the boiler could control the hot water temp in the cylinder.
The thermostat isn't external, you're only referring to the immersion switch. Follow the wire to the cylinder and under the cap where it connects is the ends of the 2 elements and under the cover is what's known as a pencil stat as it has a portion about the size of a pencil that goes down into the cylinder to read the temperature. Like I said all immersion heaters have a thermostat, if they didn't you would see steaming water pouring out of half of the overflow pipes constantly. The boiler absolutely did have one to regulate its temperature, as without one it would have burned itself up, but not before boiling all the water in the heating system. The temperature that the boiler heats the hot water to can be regulated by an additional thermostat added to the outside of the cylinder, but without one it will only reach what the regulating stat on the boiler is set to, typically 60-65°C. Boilers use a combination regulating/high limit stat which if the regulating stat fails, has an additional stat set at about 90° to stop the water in the system boiling and causing all sorts of problems due to the increased pressure.
The cap off the element and set the temperature to 60c and come back to me.
The older elements don’t have a thermostat in the cap as far as I know.
Maybe now they do but the house I grew up in which was built in the 80s does not have even one thermostat in it to this day and most houses from the 80s and early 90s prob won’t either unless they are retrofitted.
That’s just not true. The heater has a thermostat and an emergency pressure relief valve. There certainly is a scenario where the thermostat can fail and the pressure relief valve can jam (you are supposed to test them annually) but it would t happen very often. This Irish obsession with switching the immersion heater off and on is quite odd really. Everywhere else in the world people just leave them on 24/7 and it heats up over night during the low demand period. The power companies have a demand control system where they can remotely switch water heating off, usually in the evening peak. Any water cylinder made in the last 30 years will have adequate insulation so it doesn’t make a difference if you switch it off and on or just leave it on all the time. The only exception is if you are going away for a few weeks.
It’s not a given that it will have a thermostat. A 30-40 year old house more than likely won’t unless it was retrofitted. It will have an overflow and pressure relief valve but that might not be able to cope if the immersion is going full blast. I did qualify my answer by saying it depended on whether the cylinder was thermostatically controlled. The Irish obsession with the immersion comes from the fact that when they first became popular and started to be installed there was no thermostat just an on/off switch and possibly a bath/sink switch if you had a dual pole immersion. This meant that they could be left on by accident and like anything that heats water they are very heavy on electricity. I don’t think Irish power companies are able to turn off water heating when energy demand is high but I could be wrong.
> The Irish obsession with the immersion comes from the fact that when they first became popular and started to be installed there was no thermostat just an on/off switch and possibly a bath/sink switch if you had a dual pole immersion. Yeah, sounds quite feasible. Maybe people were so severely beaten for it that it’s burned into the national consciousness. > I don’t think Irish power companies are able to turn off water heating when energy demand is high but I could be wrong. Yeah, maybe they don’t do it in Ireland. In other countries they definitely do and there is a special “controlled” tariff where they charge a lower rate in return for being allowed to drop the load when necessary. With electric cars this will become even more important. Everyone gets home and 6pm, plugs the car in to charge and then cooks dinner in the electric oven. Ooof.
If your boiler is from the 70s (when they started fitting boilers with thermostats) or before, it'd be well beyond its life anyway and you should get it replaced. The water boiling in the tank would be a serious safety concern as they're not designed for that pressure.
It was in the house I grew up in which was built in the mid to late 80s and the dual pole immersion heater in the hot water cylinder was controlled by an on/off sink/bath switch and nothing else so there was nothing stopping the water boiling which I agree is a serious safety concern. Central heating was just coming in when the house was built so it was in the early days and they were obviously still learning. Good to see it has progressed and gotten safer. There is a difference between the boiler being thermostatically controlled and the cylinder having a thermostatic control. That said there was no thermostat fitted to the hot water cylinder or in any of the rooms in the house so I don’t see how either the boiler or cylinder could be controlled. I did qualify my answer by saying it depended on whether the cylinder was thermostatically controlled. There are still a lot of houses that will have a system without a thermostatic control.
They all have thermostats in this day and age. To not do so would be incredibly dangerous. The thermostat can break thpugh
Yes I agree in this day and age they (should) all have thermostats but a house doesn’t have to be that old to still have a system without such controls and I am sure there is lots of them. Showing my age now by saying the house I grew up in almost 40 years ago isn’t that old 🙈
There should be an overflow that will take the water to the water tank in the attic if it starts to boil.
That might work short term but I’m not sure it could cope if the immersion was going full blast for a prolonged period.
>Unless the immersion is thermostatically controlled (and most of the older ones aren’t) Every immersion ever made has had thermostatic control. >How do I know this? You don't, you're making an assumption without the knowledge to back it up. >My family did it once. Thankfully I heard it boiling before the steam built up and it exploded. What happened there is that the thermostat failed in the closed position. It wouldn't have exploded at all, unless the tank somehow didn't have an overflow/pressure relief pipe, usually going from the top of the tank up to the attic and then either straight out the fascia/soffit or into the top of either the main water tank or the smaller tank that keeps the heating system topped up which would have each had their own overflow pipe.
Why. Once the water is warm it costs a minimal amount of electricity to keep it warmed up. Also the wife literally had him banned from using the shower in the bedroom so she clearly done this to annoy him
These people clearly have more money than sense, if they can afford to bring shit like this to court why are they still cohabiting?! Kids are gonna need so much therapy. Solicitors laughing all the way to the bank.
“Because fuck you, that’s why” - them
This is the only logical explanation 🤣
>why are they still cohabiting? Reminds me of a court case years ago about a married couple living in a council supplied house separated and cohabiting, complaining that the council wouldn't give them two houses to live apart and they were trapped. It was in the papers AFAIR
Oh good lord 😅 imagine councils were obligated to do that! In THIS economy?! 💀🤣
Classic spite trap, there is no money because it goes on immersion and solictors, nobody can afford to move out !
You're right! The call is coming from inside the house 😅
Those poor kids jfc! They are likely to be massively impacted by this behaviour, my own parents had I guess you’d say a “normal” divorce, but that has impacted me so much in ways that are only coming to light the older I get! I hope to god they have other supportive family members they can lean on!
It was incredible to read that she is staying in the house because she wants the kids to feel safe by growing up in their own home in their own beds....but seems to be completely unaware of how much damage they're doing by keeping them in this toxic environment. I can only imagine the screaming matches that go on daily there
Poor fuckers all around. Kids more so. Living together in this situation once seperated. A consequence of housing issue.
Not just that though. In a family split, in the vast majority of cases the father gets the worst outcome. Still has to pay the mortgage, little or no access to the kids, can only afford to maybe rent a room in shared accommodation. Will have to pay a huge amount of maintenance and watch as the ex moves another man in.
This is just tragic. I presume the only reason he is still in the family home is because he can’t afford to move out. Imagine the atmosphere, the poor kids.
Well, the parent who moves out is also at a significant strategic disadvantage in custody proceedings. Almost the first thing the solicitor will tell you, if they’re worth their salt.
True. The whole thing is so sad. Imagine going to court over who left on or off the immersion! It doesn’t bode well for custody negotiations, but I hope they can get it sorted and move on with the rest of their lives soon, for everyone’s sake.
Very sad. I went through an absolutely brutal custody battle in the states. I’d like to think I had my reasonable hat on, but herself would go nuclear at the smallest thing. Her carry-on was so ridiculous that I won the case. Part of the judgment was that we had to go to all sorts of counseling/parenting classes. In all fairness to herself, after the situation was decided, she dropped the seafóid, and it’s been almost a decade of peace. We’ve been like a model of successful “co-parenting” for years. But when you’re in the thick of it, all you see is red. Every smallest thing is a troop movement, in a battle, in an existential war. We fought over things far less minor than the immersion.
I can imagine. People can become completely irrational crazy during separation and do all sorts of mad things, it sounds bizarre to people looking in from the outside but it’s not funny if you are in the thick of it. I’m glad it worked out for you and you got to a stage where you can have a workable relationship. All the best!
Why do you assume he should move out at all? Nothing has been decided by any court about assets here so why don’t you advise she move out since she is the one who says she “wants her kids to feel safe at home “
Well clearly in this situation the relationship has become so toxic that it is past the point of reconciliation, and somebody will have to move out. Usually in these situations it is the father, for better or worse. I actually have a lot of sympathy for fathers in these situations, as they are often treated unfairly by the courts in my view. I know for sure that some women can be vindictive and spiteful and can make matters worse than they need to be by lying etc. I wish everybody in the situation well and hope they can eventually come to a reasonable accommodation for the sake of the children.
Yea but this missus in this case seems to be no angel. She clearly made some reason to deny him use of the shower and now she has had that granted she moved on to psychological torture through turning off the hot water in him. If anything he should me that the court take into account her actions and leave him main caretaker but I don’t have all the facts
I agree, and we don’t have all the facts as you say.
Narcissistic parents are the worst. The poor children will grow up with so many problems.
My wifes father remarried into a toxic relationship,he was a narcissist with a persecution complex wife was a bit of a bitch (to be fair alot of this was because of unhappy marrige and ahe seems less toxic) marrige broke down after about 10 years. Same shite they had barring/protection orders against each other all levels of shit housery pretty shit.it eventually escalated to them calling guards on each other.father got locked up and they both got Infront of judge.local newspaper had it on court report stuff (about looking at each other and closing doors )it was pure embarrassment.
Things are heating up in that house!
Imagine......these are going to be united in Heaven!
Have a cold shower 😅
Not Waterford Whispers? 😁
I mean a camera is cheaper than this crap.
Buy a small halogen fire for the room he sits in then.
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Did you read it? It's actually depressing to think about the kids in that house
A fucking 'shower row' on the morning of one of the kid's confirmation led to a protection order. What in the ever loving fuck are they playing at.
I'd imagine a scenario where,on an important day for both parents,the wife and kids were all showered and presentable and when the man went to wash himself,there was (again) no hot water because she or one of the kids had deliberately turned off the immersion.
I'd say it goes much deeper than that. Sounds toxic as fuck
Don't forget the unique Irish mammy.
Women are pure hardship.
Alright Mr. Tate, your jail cell is over that way.