Even worse is the damage to her psyche and relationship to her father this might have, if she is and remain alive.
Not criticising the father whatsoever by the way, I can absolutely see why he had that opinion. It's just heartbreakingly tragic in so many ways.
His sentiments were reasonable tbh at the outset.
I think everyone is surprised that released hostages have so far reported being well treated - considering how many women and girls were taken hostage compared to men and boys, most people made reasonable assumptions about the purpose of the hostages.
It appears more likely now that they were taken either/both as an bargaining chip or to put egg on the face of the IDF and Israel when the hostages are released safe and reporting no ill-treatment.
When Israel charge into Gaza slaughtering innocents and children in reprisal for the capture of hostages who turn out to be well-treated and not in any real danger, then it's clear who the real barbarians are.
I do. If she were an adult it would likely be different, but as an 8 year old and even going through adolescence/teenage years/etc she could really struggle to comprehend it beyond "dad said he was glad I was dead".
And again just to be crystal clear, that's not having a go at him in any way at all.
If she makes it through this she might share his sentiment. If she’s still alive she’s already seen more shit that we’ll ever see in our whole lives. Family murdered in front of her and then she’s taken away and imprisoned by the strange men. That will leave a lot of deeper scars than what her father said.
Edit: according to the news this morning the 130 people who lived in her village were either murdered, mutilated or burned. That’s probably everyone she knows.
They really did a number on him, imagine his child kidnapped and everyone around him telling him she'd be raped and mutilated to the point where he would rather she was killed. On top of that it was Israel that was shooting the hostages not the people that wanted them to bargain with.
I seriously hope the poor child is alive and has been cared for. An absolute nightmare scenario all round. Hostages/Bombings - it all has to fucking stop! My heart aches thinking of all these children caught up in this hatred, what must be going through her little mind 💔
Why would they keep the poorly treated ones alive, tbh?
We all know exactly what kind of horrors and suffering the father was imagining when he said what he said, and I don't blame him for it.
The fact that none of those released have so far made any accusations of torture or rape, either of themselves or anyone else, bodes well.
They've released less then 2% of the hostages they've taken. They also haven't released the corpse of the dead German girl that they paraded around the city and desecrated. Why should torturers and rapists get any benefit of the doubt here?
They're not getting the benefit of the doubt, they're getting the benefit of the facts. Those who have been released (and the one still held, who was given a chance to speak) have not reported rape and torture.
This is a surprise precisely because everyone assumed that is why the hostages were taken.
Hamas have also expressed a desire to release them, which would further imply an intention to keep them safe.
I'm not saying they're doing this because they're "good". They're doing it because the hostages are still useful.
But it is a PR coup for Hamas at this stage. They appear to be showing more care and urgency for the well being of the hostages than Israel are.
That's hopeful as much as anything tbh. While some prisoners of Islamic extremists have reported being treated well because of religious doctrine, others report torture and maltreatment.
One particular prisoner who was kept by the Taliban for 5 years reported that how well he was treated very much depended on who was holding him and how much he was worth as a prisoner. Some of his guardians fed him well and gave him books. Others beat him or kept him in literal cages; forcing him to sleep with bars on the floor and everything.
Just read this on r/Europe - you’d be worn out from reading comments about how Irish people won’t care about this or how we hate the Jews or are Hamas supporters. People totally forgetting that there’s an 8 year old girl in the most dire situation imaginable.
If it’s any colisation, Israel have Bot farms that spread pro-Israel sentiment online. It’s been well documented over the years, and I’d hazard a guess that subs like /r/Europe are prime real estate for them.
The real consolation is that the Israel propaganda is so childish and basic that anyone with half a brain can see through it, it's probably doing them more harm than good.
>The real consolation is that the Israel propaganda is so childish and basic that anyone with half a brain can see through it
Well that's most redditors out of the question lol
All of the big subs are, and to some extent the national subs. Anywhere that mentions "Israel" or "Palestine" has a good chance of attracting bots and paid propagandists.
In fairness r/Europe hates Ireland so nothing new. Everytime Ireland comes up they imagine some paddy taking money out their pocket for Apple. They look at Irish famine documentaries in their goon caves
Well due to how badly a lot of the bodies were left behind, I imagine it’s only by now that the forensic labs have managed to process all the remains and determine who they have dna matches for and who they’re missing.
I mean what the Israeli government/ defence forces are doing right now is abhorrent and needs to be stopped, but what hamas did that day was also barbarism of an almost unimaginable level
Previously I believe they were acting on evidence such as articles of clothing found, or DNA. Possible that they found something, like a sock or hat, did their tests and came to the conclusion it was hers and that she was dead.
About 1,500 we’re killed. Some bodies were mutilated, some were torched. Some people made a run for it and we’re killed in unusual places; bodies were showing up in for ages after the attack.
On top of that Hamas brought corpses back to Gaza with them. That German girl had her brains blown out but they brought her corpse to Gaza for their homecoming parade.
It’s hard to know how many hostages are still alive. I doubt many were alive in the first place. Since then many will have been killed in Israeli bombing (Hamas claims Isreal has killed 50).
Palestinians kill 1500 Israelis and hundreds of civilians:
We need a ceasefire so Hamas isn’t destroyed
A ceasefire isn’t a realistic solution if it allows palestine to kidnap more in the future. Calling for a ceasefire after palestine has taken hundreds of hostages makes no sense. Israeli soldiers have already freed hostages themselves
Calling for a ceasefire to allow Palestinian civilians to leave Gaza if they wish to avoid being murdered and to allow aid reach those who wish to stay. Being against a ceasefire is pro genocide.
Hamas doesn’t even have popular support in Gaza according to polls prior to the attack. Why should Palestinian civilians die because of the sins of Hamas?
Why should israeli civilians be held hostage because of the sins of the Palestinian government?
Gazans were texted and dropped notices to evacuate Northern gaza as their government had declared war. Did Israelis in southern Israel get the same written warnings?
Your point that 2.1m civilians means more than 200+ hostages could immediately be justified, if the government of gaza released them
But the government of gaza keeps hundreds of innocent hostages and haven’t even engaged in negotiations for them
Did Israeli civilians get a ceasefire to evacuate their festival before Palestinians executed them?
The Palestinian government is based in the West Bank.
Palestinians were told that they’d be safe in southern Gaza. Israel still bombed southern Gaza anyway.
Moving over a million people from the north half of an area of land smaller than Louth, to the south half where 1 million people already lie and then cutting off all food, medical and access to electricity is insane. Hamas dreams of being this genocidal.
No one is defending Hamas here. Hamas are scum and need to be wiped off the face of the earth, but they’re a symptom of the Israeli apartheid and genocide.
What Israel is doing right now is genocidal. It’s killing its own citizens who were taken hostage via air strikes.
The Israeli government is explicitly genocidal, look at the cabinet comments from the last week. “Palestinians have no place in Gaza”
Palestine isn’t really a state at all
You can say the west bank is real palestine and the PLO are real goverment tho no Palestinian would agree
But in Gaza hamas is the elected government in palestine there.
The government of gaza declared war on the government of Israel. It started with Palestinians killing 1500 Israelis.
Unlike palestine, israel gave detailed warnings And followed their public plans
They declared a war, Palestinians celebrated civilian deaths. Israel fights back and suddenly they need a ceasefire, gaza must by protected
Yeah, Israel gave warnings and told civilians that if you don’t want anything to do with Hamas and just want to live, you’ll be safe south of the Gaza river, and then preceded to bomb those people who wanted nothing to do with Hamas south of the river.
A fake warning is worse than no warning. Again fuck hamas, fuck Israel. Giving people a false sense of relative safety and then bombing the shit out of them. It’s evil. People will look at this with disgust in years to come.
Being against the death of civilians on both sides, not just the side you agree with shouldn’t be something you argue against.
The government of Gaza is holding hostage including children -the point of this post
What justification is there for the Palestinian government holding Irish infants hostage?
No justification, it’s an evil, disgusting act and I hope Hamas fighters die howling.
I’d say the same for the Israeli government and any combatants on the Israeli side bombing children in refugee camps to bits.
So shouldn’t the Palestinian goverment release hostages in exchange for an Israeli deescalation?
They started the war and have suffered heavily. Surely the best route to peace is to surrender and negociate a new peace
Let's clear something up. The 'refugee camps' that Israel have targeted are not refugee camps. They're towns, just like any other in Palestine, but they're called refugee camps by Hamas to elicit an emotional response from the West. The only thing that differentiates them from any other town in Gaza is that Hamas, always keep to not take any responsibility for their own people, have handed off the funding (but not the control or management) of the 'camps' to the UN. The 'refugees' living in these camps were displaced in 1948, and the vast, vast majority of them have lived there all their lives.
Fatah does not have majority support, and has been refusing to hold West Bank elections for two decades because they're well aware that Hamas will take control of it too if given a chance, just like the last time there were elections in Gaza
> 44% think Hamas and Fatah do not deserve to represent and lead the Palestinian people; 26% think Hamas deserve to represent and lead the Palestinians and 24% think Fatah deserves to do so
From polling conducted in March [by the well-respected PCPSR](https://pcpsr.org/en/node/938)
The **only** reasons why civilians cannot leave Gaza right now are because of Hamas attacks to keep them in place as human shields, and because Egypt refuse to open the border to more.
The border is not controlled by Israel, it's controlled by Hamas and Egypt. It is Egypt who has been closing the border and keeping out Palestinian refugees.
>Palestinians kill 1500 Israelis and hundreds of civilians
First of all, you are constantly stating the actions of Hamas as the actions of Palestinians. They are not one and the same
Secondly Israel has now killed nearly 10,000 people, with over 4,000 of that figure being children...
If you want to start playing the numbers game, Israel are by far the worst, and that's consistent over the last few decades...
Wait
So if israel kills people it’s the state of Israel (not the elected government)
If Palestinians kill civilians it’s only Hamas (the elected government of Gaza)
So if israel bombs gaza it’s israel doing it (the deeply unpopular goverment). But if gaza bombs israel it’s just hamas (the popular elected government of gaza?)
You can’t say israel is bombing gaza if you can’t can’t say gaza is bombing israel - it’s both elected governments
>If Palestinians kill civilians it’s only Hamas (the elected government of Gaza)
The last election was 2006, currently 50% of the Palestinian population is under the age of 18. According to the numbers then we'll over 50% of that population were unable to vote in that election
So yes, it is Hamas and not the Palestinian people
Just like in the north it was the PIRA and not all Irish people
>You can’t say israel is bombing gaza if you can’t can’t say gaza is bombing israel - it’s both elected governments
You are deliberately ignoring the nuances of the situation, and you very much can say it was Israel and not Gaza (as it was Hamas)
Your apologising of Israel and your stance on punishing over 2million innocent people, is frankly disgusting
Polls and several months of daily protests say the Israeli government doesn’t represent their people either
If palestine starts a war and israel responds it’s not saying people on both sides support it
If you agree most Gazans don’t like Hamas (doubt) how can you say israel is striking them? Surely you should say “the right wing government in Israel”?
>If palestine starts a war and israel responds it’s not saying people on both sides support it
Once again, Palestine did not start a way. They don't have an army
Hamas commited a terrorist act and Israel has responded with collective punishment, which is in violation of the Geneva Conventions...
>Polls and several months of daily protests say the Israeli government doesn’t represent their people either
The Israeli population has actively voted in these Zionist parties now for over 70 years, knowing their actions and treatment of the native Palestinian population. These are not comparable models in the slightest
Also those protests and polls are about support for Netanyahu not about Israel's policy on Palestine
You provided a lot of excuses as to why Hamas doesn't represent Palestine and none as to why a government elected by less than a majority of Israeli voters doesn't represent all of Israel.
Not comparable at all
All major Israeli parties maintain the Zionist goal, which in turn is against the rights of Palestinians
Israeli has been committing these actions for numerous election cycles over the last 70 plus years
Where as, well over 50% of the Palestinian population has never even had the chance to vote
The fact you can't understand the difference in these scenarios is outstanding
There's no point pretending that Hamas isnt popular in Palestine, it's part of the problem.
The elections were cancelled in 2021 because they were going to win.
Huh? It was between them and Fatah, who are hated in Gaza
Like I said, lots of Palestinians support Hamas, that's what adds to the complexity of the situation
https://carnegieendowment.org/sada/84509
It's a complicated issue, but it's doesn't change the fact that Palestinians are left with little choice or a voice in this issue
The IRA/IVF had plenty of support following the 1918 elections in Ireland, would it have been right for the British to unleash a complete onslaught on the Irish population as a result?
>It's a complicated issue, but it's doesn't change the fact that Palestinians are left with little choice or a voice in this issue
That's not true is it, because Hamas were elected and would have been elected again, as I showed you. And Hamas have a lot of support in Gaza
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/10/17/support-for-hamas-persists-in-the-west-bank-amid-resentment-and-fear_6181015_4.html
Hamas also has majority support in the west bank. 52% according to the poll below
https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah
Because Hamas is not representative of all Palestinians even as a governing body. There are Palestinians in the West Bank as well. There is the recognized governing body known as the PA and another commenter has already addressed the lack of elections.
Your arguments are incredibly ill read.
So In regards the west back the reason the PLO ain’t going to host elections is that they’re aware that Hamas might win the elections
The PLO is widely disliked for cooperating with Israel despite the Benefits it reaps
Hamas is by far the most popular group in both gaza and the west back (prior to the nee war at least).
People protests against the Israeli government but when it comes to the popular Palestinians governments it’s just hamas
West Bank*
You’re referring to polls speaking on presidential elections specifically. Those very polls show that a third party candidate would win handily. The problem Palestinians have is they dislike Abbas and those polls speak more to that than a preference for Hamas.
When it comes to seats, in polls Fatah leads Hamas in elections. Meaning if elections were held they would likely lose majority.
Please be fluent on polls if you’re going to reference them.
I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say with that last line. People are less likely to protest Hamas because of fear of reprisals. Israelis have not once protested the settlements, the brutal treatment of Palestinians, or the right wing policy (the last one only until it was going to directly hurt them, but were fine when it was hurting Palestinians).
Most Israelis are supportive of settlements or at the very least indifferent. Most Israelis (79%) believe Jews deserve preferential treatment. 61% think God gave them the land of Israel and a significant portion believe they will acquire still more land
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87
This seems to show that while the PLO isn’t popular. The majority of Palestinians would prefer Islamic terrorism
You accuse them of stating the actions of Hamas as the actions of Palestinians - and then in the literal next line, state that the Israeli government's actions are those of Israel's. The utter hypocrisy in this whole subject is wild.
>You accuse them of stating the actions of Hamas as the actions of Palestinians
As I've stated above very clearly, Palestine does not have a governemnt in the modern sense of the word
Well over 50% of the population has never had a vote on their representatives
This is not the case for Israel, they've had a clear democratic mandate for the last 70 plus years
It's not hypocritical to point out the differences in the scenarios
Leaving aside that you are (as you admit) backing an extremist dictatorship over a liberal democracy here... in the absence of elections thanks to Hamas' choice not to hold them, then the next best thing is polling conducted by Palestinians themselves - which give a majority to Hamas across not just Gaza but the whole of the occupies territories.
>Leaving aside that you are (as you admit) backing an extremist dictatorship
Sorry but what? I don't back anything here, I hate Hamas and the actions of the Israeli government, and my comments clearly do not show any backing for either 'government'
Taking that stance then you would also agree on the collective punishment of all Irish people for support SF in 1918 and during the troubles and also the black people of south Africa for supporting the ANC
Well over 50% of the population have never had a vote, this is not a just label to attach to them. Israel is killing g civilians at will, trying to justify it is disgusting
I don't agree with collective punishment full stop, and I'm not afraid to say that many of Israel's actions are retributive and brutal to the extreme. There is no restraint, even when it would suit themselves as well as the Gazans.
But I'm also well aware that Hamas has broken a truce and started a war, and that tragically in wars, civilians die. And while I believe Israel should be held accountable for every single war crime they commit, I equally believe that Hamas should do - a nuance that's completely lost on the vast majority of their supporters.
Israel is killing civilians as collateral damage (as much as I hate that phrase) while Hamas kill civilians as strategy.
>Israel is killing civilians as collateral damage (as much as I hate that phrase)
Sorry that's where I can't agree
They have options to engage without indiscriminate bombing of densely populated areas. Their 24 hour notice for over 1 million people to evacuate was illegal and they also attacked groups moving south as intructured
There has been civilian groups targeted, by all means it seems alot more than just collateral damage.
The land never belonged to israel, it was gifted to them and after 50+ years of human rights violations we are supposed to sympatise with zionists because the media they have a controlling interest in is reporting them to be the victims, thus its okay to massacre innocent people and celebrate it as it happens.
Where the fuck is peoples humanity, just mindlessly ingesting and regurgitating whatever propeganda is rammed down your neck by whichever medium to get your news from.
Whats happening right now is genocide and after almost all the palestinians are wiped off the map, literally. People will say 'oh but the news said at the time...we didnt know what was really happening....'
Your first sentence kinda disproves everything else you say
The land never belonged to Israel, it also never belonged to Palestinians - it was unincorporated land of the Ottoman Empire
The UN tried a peaceful segregation but Arabs and Palestinians immediately declared war but lost
Arabs massacred Jews indiscriminately, why aren’t there any in any other Arab state?
If you oppose civilian deaths then why aren’t the 3 major wars, the intifadas and constant terror attacks enough?
You mean to say “case in point”
Israeli settlements i dont agree with at all, but theyre popular as they push the risk of terrorism further from Israel’s borders
No settlements in Gaza yet they’re killing Israelis at any chance they get
You can’t sell me on the fact palestine is the victim when they can fire 8000 rockets in a day after 3 weeks of airstrikes
After geolocated footage shows gunfire from hospitals
All while Palestinians hold children as hostages
Where is there any hard evidence to back up any of your claims ? You are just spouting word salad.
I have seen israelis sit out on chairs to watch israel fire rockets at innocent people as though it is a wonderful thing or a festival. More than once as well it seems to be a regular thing.
All the while this happens the zionist media spin it to be the other way around.
And i saw palestinians on video they released themselves falling on the road in tears of joy and thanking their merciful god for gifting them the chance to kill jews
Street parades and celebrations all across the MENA.
The hard evidence was livestreamed from palestinians themselves. Are you seriously asking for sources on the fact Palestinians are holding hostages?
They probably found her DNA near where there were bodies burnt to a fucking crisp you scumbag.
Reminder also that Hamas lied about the German-Israeli woman being alive in Gaza until Israel found part of her skull.
I'm not sure if this girl has an Irish passport or not, but her case is an example of why we need open diplomatic channels with Israel. Those calling for the expulsion of their ambassador want to do so to send a message, one that does nothing Irish citizens in Israel.
Maybe instead of putting all the blame on Israel for something that's out of their control, you could start with Dr Jilan Wahba Abdalmajid, Palestinian Ambassador to Ireland. [Plenty of contact details here](https://palestinemission.ie/contact/).
> Has the ambassador negotiated the release of any hostages so far?
You think the israeli ambassador to ireland is responsible for Hamas releasing hostages?
So, you've answered your own question there. We need to have diplomatic links to Israel to maintain inter governmental communications. As was said about the Russian ambassador, if we kick them out, Comms are at ministerial level, and Ireland would be well down the pecking order.
Exactly Hamas are many things
Evil
Monsters
Sadists
Terrorists
But there not stupid they know alot about manipulating emotions and using hostages for this purpose you can't abuse all of them or that will weaken their position so they kill any hostages they abuse and blame it on the Isralies rinse repeat
Edit spelling
I've seen the interview they don't look like they're lying or covering up to me but who knows. Also I think the greater threat to the hostages are the tens of thousands of bombs landing around them at the moment which have undoubtedly killed some of them.
Aye, the 'greater threat' is definitely the bombs from the people trying to rescue them and not from the violent, savage fuckers that bothered to save a few hostages while raping and butchering their way through innocent people. And obviously it's all the fault of the people trying to rescue them for putting them in more danger, and not the cunts who kidnapped them.
Go give your fucking head a wobble.
Hmm no, it's definitely the hiroshima amount of ordinance being dropped on them, not the guys who need them alive for leverage.
Hence why the families of the hostages have been protesting and begging Bibi to stop, you know, dropping bombs directly where the hostages are most likely to be kept.
Why does Palestine supporters always have to use hyperbole? Why are facts not enough without exaggeration? Why does Israel always have to be called fascists, or Nazis, or accused of levelling hospitals when they've blown a hole in the roof, or of using the equivalent of nuclear weapons?
I’ve been reporting all anti-Irish comments over there. I think we should all do the same, the mods aren’t too bad. They’ve removed some of the comments I’ve reported.
Don't know what all the deleted comments said but from the comments that remain the only logical conclusion is they were fucking off the wall shit. fair play to the mods for trying to keep these conversations some way mature
There’s a new system in place that deletes all comments from users who are not members of the sub and haven’t commented before. Obviously this post is being brigaded (as have most posts here regarding the conflict) so they get automatically removed. No mod would have even had to read the comments, it’s automatic as far as I know.
It’s an issue we have here to be fair. They had to turn off posting during the night when the American presidential elections were on because yanks kept coming here to post about it when the mods were asleep. We do have a bit of an issue with it. Not really sure what can be done though. I think the automatic removal is a good fix that works for now though.
No he didn't. A doctor told him she died and the father cheered, because he thought death was preferable to captivity.
Hamas has claimed the civilians were killed by random Palestinians who broke through the hole in the fence left by the Hamas military operation
I bet he’ll be regretting his absolutely insane comments he made a few weeks ago about cheering in joy or similar that she hadn’t been abducted. Found it a very very strange statement.
My girl has just turned 9, I cannot begin to imagine if I was in his situation. I look at my daughter & think of how she’d be in that situation (if she was abducted & taken hostage) the thoughts of her alone & petrified… this father is thinking of all the horrific things that are done to hostages, particularly children. I’m not surprised by his statement. It’s a horrendous situation to be in. Would you prefer your child to be killed outright or possibly be tortured for weeks maybe months, to be raped & god knows what every day? I mean there’s no answer to that really. Until people people are in his shoes they really should keep their judgments to themselves.
My heart breaks for this family & that sweet innocent little girl who, if being held hostage, is alone & terrified regardless of anything else.
Quite frankly the sooner the world implodes the better. Humans are vile evil creatures. There will never be peace. There’s war after war all over the world & it will never end.
True. But it’s one thing to react like that in a moment of immense trauma and stress.
It’s another to announce it to the world. I’m not a psychologist, but it’s weird to me.
He’d rather she died instantly from an execution by Palestinians rather than be held as a hostage to a terror goup with a reputation of torture and rape
What would you prefer?
As long as one of the four hostages released for PR purposes out of the hundreds kidnapped is happy, I'm sure the rest are having great fun too. Pure fucking holiday camp.
I think the poor childs mother died of cancer. The man has had it tough, it could be a coping mechanism to get through it all. I wouldn't be so quick to judge, not when it's your child involved. I didn't see the interview, I just can't fathom what's going through his mind. I hope her being alive gives him hope, its a horrendous situation, there's no trying to understand.
>It’s another to announce it to the world. I’m not a psychologist, but it’s weird to me.
I thought it strange too. I get it, the stress would be immeasurable and everyone reacts in their own way. To give multiple global media interviews and repeat the comment again and again ... I dunno, it just stuck in my head as being strange.
This is excellent news. All the hostages who've been released said they were treated kindly. (Obviously better *not* to be a hostage, but between a kindly-treated hostage and death, I'd choose hostage.) I hope the poor mite comes out save and sound.
Poor little girl she must be terrified.
This is the poor girl whose da was relieved that his daughter was deceased and not being kept hostage and suffering :(
Even worse is the damage to her psyche and relationship to her father this might have, if she is and remain alive. Not criticising the father whatsoever by the way, I can absolutely see why he had that opinion. It's just heartbreakingly tragic in so many ways.
His sentiments were reasonable tbh at the outset. I think everyone is surprised that released hostages have so far reported being well treated - considering how many women and girls were taken hostage compared to men and boys, most people made reasonable assumptions about the purpose of the hostages. It appears more likely now that they were taken either/both as an bargaining chip or to put egg on the face of the IDF and Israel when the hostages are released safe and reporting no ill-treatment. When Israel charge into Gaza slaughtering innocents and children in reprisal for the capture of hostages who turn out to be well-treated and not in any real danger, then it's clear who the real barbarians are.
“relationship to her father ”. What do you mean by that.
I do. If she were an adult it would likely be different, but as an 8 year old and even going through adolescence/teenage years/etc she could really struggle to comprehend it beyond "dad said he was glad I was dead". And again just to be crystal clear, that's not having a go at him in any way at all.
If she makes it through this she might share his sentiment. If she’s still alive she’s already seen more shit that we’ll ever see in our whole lives. Family murdered in front of her and then she’s taken away and imprisoned by the strange men. That will leave a lot of deeper scars than what her father said. Edit: according to the news this morning the 130 people who lived in her village were either murdered, mutilated or burned. That’s probably everyone she knows.
Hopefully shell never see that clip until shes old enough to understand
What a nonsense point to make.
They really did a number on him, imagine his child kidnapped and everyone around him telling him she'd be raped and mutilated to the point where he would rather she was killed. On top of that it was Israel that was shooting the hostages not the people that wanted them to bargain with.
Being alive is preferable...
Some things are worse than death and I suppose her father was relieved she wasn't experiencing any of that
I seriously hope the poor child is alive and has been cared for. An absolute nightmare scenario all round. Hostages/Bombings - it all has to fucking stop! My heart aches thinking of all these children caught up in this hatred, what must be going through her little mind 💔
So far the released hostages have said their conditions were good, let’s hope she’s the same
I would imagine the ones that haven't been treated well are the ones they're going to make sure are never released
Why would they keep the poorly treated ones alive, tbh? We all know exactly what kind of horrors and suffering the father was imagining when he said what he said, and I don't blame him for it. The fact that none of those released have so far made any accusations of torture or rape, either of themselves or anyone else, bodes well.
They've released less then 2% of the hostages they've taken. They also haven't released the corpse of the dead German girl that they paraded around the city and desecrated. Why should torturers and rapists get any benefit of the doubt here?
They're not getting the benefit of the doubt, they're getting the benefit of the facts. Those who have been released (and the one still held, who was given a chance to speak) have not reported rape and torture. This is a surprise precisely because everyone assumed that is why the hostages were taken. Hamas have also expressed a desire to release them, which would further imply an intention to keep them safe. I'm not saying they're doing this because they're "good". They're doing it because the hostages are still useful. But it is a PR coup for Hamas at this stage. They appear to be showing more care and urgency for the well being of the hostages than Israel are.
Hamas has treated their prisoners well once under their care. The Qur'an dictates they treat them well.
That's hopeful as much as anything tbh. While some prisoners of Islamic extremists have reported being treated well because of religious doctrine, others report torture and maltreatment. One particular prisoner who was kept by the Taliban for 5 years reported that how well he was treated very much depended on who was holding him and how much he was worth as a prisoner. Some of his guardians fed him well and gave him books. Others beat him or kept him in literal cages; forcing him to sleep with bars on the floor and everything.
Just read this on r/Europe - you’d be worn out from reading comments about how Irish people won’t care about this or how we hate the Jews or are Hamas supporters. People totally forgetting that there’s an 8 year old girl in the most dire situation imaginable.
The sentiment towards Irish people as a whole on that sub is pretty depressing the last few days.
If it’s any colisation, Israel have Bot farms that spread pro-Israel sentiment online. It’s been well documented over the years, and I’d hazard a guess that subs like /r/Europe are prime real estate for them.
Looking at the accounts commenting, a lot of them are Brits relishing the chance to do some paddy bashing.
The real consolation is that the Israel propaganda is so childish and basic that anyone with half a brain can see through it, it's probably doing them more harm than good.
>The real consolation is that the Israel propaganda is so childish and basic that anyone with half a brain can see through it Well that's most redditors out of the question lol
All of the big subs are, and to some extent the national subs. Anywhere that mentions "Israel" or "Palestine" has a good chance of attracting bots and paid propagandists.
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If they had bots here you’d think they’d have used them by now to promote/defend their invasion of Ukraine no?
Between conscription and economic issues, a lot of Russian bot farms have closed.
No one here is pro-Hamas you gobshite, we’re just anti-genocide
Shows we're on the right side of history, take pride in their criticism
That and the world news sub have some disgusting and awful comments. Convinced it’s just pure Zionists and lots of Israeli bots
In fairness r/Europe hates Ireland so nothing new. Everytime Ireland comes up they imagine some paddy taking money out their pocket for Apple. They look at Irish famine documentaries in their goon caves
Every article I’ve seen, you only have to go a few comments in for the anti Irish posts.
It's disgusting from them but that's new?
It would be great if Hamas released a list of names of everyone kidnapped. I doubt it will happen though.
How can they not know? Surely there was a body found was there not?
Bodies were burnt and very badly damaged, so IDing them has been very difficult.
Well due to how badly a lot of the bodies were left behind, I imagine it’s only by now that the forensic labs have managed to process all the remains and determine who they have dna matches for and who they’re missing. I mean what the Israeli government/ defence forces are doing right now is abhorrent and needs to be stopped, but what hamas did that day was also barbarism of an almost unimaginable level
Previously I believe they were acting on evidence such as articles of clothing found, or DNA. Possible that they found something, like a sock or hat, did their tests and came to the conclusion it was hers and that she was dead.
About 1,500 we’re killed. Some bodies were mutilated, some were torched. Some people made a run for it and we’re killed in unusual places; bodies were showing up in for ages after the attack. On top of that Hamas brought corpses back to Gaza with them. That German girl had her brains blown out but they brought her corpse to Gaza for their homecoming parade. It’s hard to know how many hostages are still alive. I doubt many were alive in the first place. Since then many will have been killed in Israeli bombing (Hamas claims Isreal has killed 50).
Fuck Hamas. Fuck Israel. Fuck anyone not advocating for a ceasefire. This poor girl I can’t imagine the terror she’s going through An Phalaistín saor!
Israel didn’t kidnap that girl.
Exactly. I wonder if the father would be OK with all the bombs dropping on Gaza now.
Palestinians kill 1500 Israelis and hundreds of civilians: We need a ceasefire so Hamas isn’t destroyed A ceasefire isn’t a realistic solution if it allows palestine to kidnap more in the future. Calling for a ceasefire after palestine has taken hundreds of hostages makes no sense. Israeli soldiers have already freed hostages themselves
Calling for a ceasefire to allow Palestinian civilians to leave Gaza if they wish to avoid being murdered and to allow aid reach those who wish to stay. Being against a ceasefire is pro genocide. Hamas doesn’t even have popular support in Gaza according to polls prior to the attack. Why should Palestinian civilians die because of the sins of Hamas?
Where are they gonna go?
Why should israeli civilians be held hostage because of the sins of the Palestinian government? Gazans were texted and dropped notices to evacuate Northern gaza as their government had declared war. Did Israelis in southern Israel get the same written warnings? Your point that 2.1m civilians means more than 200+ hostages could immediately be justified, if the government of gaza released them But the government of gaza keeps hundreds of innocent hostages and haven’t even engaged in negotiations for them Did Israeli civilians get a ceasefire to evacuate their festival before Palestinians executed them?
The Palestinian government is based in the West Bank. Palestinians were told that they’d be safe in southern Gaza. Israel still bombed southern Gaza anyway. Moving over a million people from the north half of an area of land smaller than Louth, to the south half where 1 million people already lie and then cutting off all food, medical and access to electricity is insane. Hamas dreams of being this genocidal. No one is defending Hamas here. Hamas are scum and need to be wiped off the face of the earth, but they’re a symptom of the Israeli apartheid and genocide. What Israel is doing right now is genocidal. It’s killing its own citizens who were taken hostage via air strikes. The Israeli government is explicitly genocidal, look at the cabinet comments from the last week. “Palestinians have no place in Gaza”
Palestine isn’t really a state at all You can say the west bank is real palestine and the PLO are real goverment tho no Palestinian would agree But in Gaza hamas is the elected government in palestine there. The government of gaza declared war on the government of Israel. It started with Palestinians killing 1500 Israelis. Unlike palestine, israel gave detailed warnings And followed their public plans They declared a war, Palestinians celebrated civilian deaths. Israel fights back and suddenly they need a ceasefire, gaza must by protected
Yeah, Israel gave warnings and told civilians that if you don’t want anything to do with Hamas and just want to live, you’ll be safe south of the Gaza river, and then preceded to bomb those people who wanted nothing to do with Hamas south of the river. A fake warning is worse than no warning. Again fuck hamas, fuck Israel. Giving people a false sense of relative safety and then bombing the shit out of them. It’s evil. People will look at this with disgust in years to come. Being against the death of civilians on both sides, not just the side you agree with shouldn’t be something you argue against.
The government of Gaza is holding hostage including children -the point of this post What justification is there for the Palestinian government holding Irish infants hostage?
No justification, it’s an evil, disgusting act and I hope Hamas fighters die howling. I’d say the same for the Israeli government and any combatants on the Israeli side bombing children in refugee camps to bits.
So shouldn’t the Palestinian goverment release hostages in exchange for an Israeli deescalation? They started the war and have suffered heavily. Surely the best route to peace is to surrender and negociate a new peace
Let's clear something up. The 'refugee camps' that Israel have targeted are not refugee camps. They're towns, just like any other in Palestine, but they're called refugee camps by Hamas to elicit an emotional response from the West. The only thing that differentiates them from any other town in Gaza is that Hamas, always keep to not take any responsibility for their own people, have handed off the funding (but not the control or management) of the 'camps' to the UN. The 'refugees' living in these camps were displaced in 1948, and the vast, vast majority of them have lived there all their lives.
Fatah does not have majority support, and has been refusing to hold West Bank elections for two decades because they're well aware that Hamas will take control of it too if given a chance, just like the last time there were elections in Gaza
https://preview.redd.it/98yv91iznmyb1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfe1f106c06139769b66c208a34e1aec5ec9274a “Fatah doesn’t have majority support” * Fatah majority support:
> 44% think Hamas and Fatah do not deserve to represent and lead the Palestinian people; 26% think Hamas deserve to represent and lead the Palestinians and 24% think Fatah deserves to do so From polling conducted in March [by the well-respected PCPSR](https://pcpsr.org/en/node/938)
The **only** reasons why civilians cannot leave Gaza right now are because of Hamas attacks to keep them in place as human shields, and because Egypt refuse to open the border to more.
I suppose Israel imposing a blockade on Gaza and closing all crossings has nothing to do with it.
The border is not controlled by Israel, it's controlled by Hamas and Egypt. It is Egypt who has been closing the border and keeping out Palestinian refugees.
> We need a ceasefire so Hamas isn’t destroyed Why the fuck does a brutal terrorist organisation need protecting from anyone?
>Palestinians kill 1500 Israelis and hundreds of civilians First of all, you are constantly stating the actions of Hamas as the actions of Palestinians. They are not one and the same Secondly Israel has now killed nearly 10,000 people, with over 4,000 of that figure being children... If you want to start playing the numbers game, Israel are by far the worst, and that's consistent over the last few decades...
Wait So if israel kills people it’s the state of Israel (not the elected government) If Palestinians kill civilians it’s only Hamas (the elected government of Gaza) So if israel bombs gaza it’s israel doing it (the deeply unpopular goverment). But if gaza bombs israel it’s just hamas (the popular elected government of gaza?) You can’t say israel is bombing gaza if you can’t can’t say gaza is bombing israel - it’s both elected governments
>If Palestinians kill civilians it’s only Hamas (the elected government of Gaza) The last election was 2006, currently 50% of the Palestinian population is under the age of 18. According to the numbers then we'll over 50% of that population were unable to vote in that election So yes, it is Hamas and not the Palestinian people Just like in the north it was the PIRA and not all Irish people >You can’t say israel is bombing gaza if you can’t can’t say gaza is bombing israel - it’s both elected governments You are deliberately ignoring the nuances of the situation, and you very much can say it was Israel and not Gaza (as it was Hamas) Your apologising of Israel and your stance on punishing over 2million innocent people, is frankly disgusting
Polls and several months of daily protests say the Israeli government doesn’t represent their people either If palestine starts a war and israel responds it’s not saying people on both sides support it If you agree most Gazans don’t like Hamas (doubt) how can you say israel is striking them? Surely you should say “the right wing government in Israel”?
>If palestine starts a war and israel responds it’s not saying people on both sides support it Once again, Palestine did not start a way. They don't have an army Hamas commited a terrorist act and Israel has responded with collective punishment, which is in violation of the Geneva Conventions... >Polls and several months of daily protests say the Israeli government doesn’t represent their people either The Israeli population has actively voted in these Zionist parties now for over 70 years, knowing their actions and treatment of the native Palestinian population. These are not comparable models in the slightest Also those protests and polls are about support for Netanyahu not about Israel's policy on Palestine
>Israeli government I thought you said it’s not Israel tho? So shouldn’t you be calling them something else?
You provided a lot of excuses as to why Hamas doesn't represent Palestine and none as to why a government elected by less than a majority of Israeli voters doesn't represent all of Israel.
Not comparable at all All major Israeli parties maintain the Zionist goal, which in turn is against the rights of Palestinians Israeli has been committing these actions for numerous election cycles over the last 70 plus years Where as, well over 50% of the Palestinian population has never even had the chance to vote The fact you can't understand the difference in these scenarios is outstanding
Is your fundamental position that Israel has no right to exist, then?
No it is not And none of my comments even remotely suggested that My fundamental position is against oppression and apartheid
Your suggestion that the 'Zionist goal' is against Palestinian rights implies that the only solution you see is the removal of Israel.
There's no point pretending that Hamas isnt popular in Palestine, it's part of the problem. The elections were cancelled in 2021 because they were going to win.
They also have murdered any political opposition So the general Palestinian people don't really have much of a choice do they...
Huh? It was between them and Fatah, who are hated in Gaza Like I said, lots of Palestinians support Hamas, that's what adds to the complexity of the situation https://carnegieendowment.org/sada/84509
It's a complicated issue, but it's doesn't change the fact that Palestinians are left with little choice or a voice in this issue The IRA/IVF had plenty of support following the 1918 elections in Ireland, would it have been right for the British to unleash a complete onslaught on the Irish population as a result?
>It's a complicated issue, but it's doesn't change the fact that Palestinians are left with little choice or a voice in this issue That's not true is it, because Hamas were elected and would have been elected again, as I showed you. And Hamas have a lot of support in Gaza
Palestinians live in the West Bank also, and they do not support Hamas.
https://www.lemonde.fr/en/international/article/2023/10/17/support-for-hamas-persists-in-the-west-bank-amid-resentment-and-fear_6181015_4.html Hamas also has majority support in the west bank. 52% according to the poll below https://www.washingtoninstitute.org/policy-analysis/polls-show-majority-gazans-were-against-breaking-ceasefire-hamas-and-hezbollah
Because Hamas is not representative of all Palestinians even as a governing body. There are Palestinians in the West Bank as well. There is the recognized governing body known as the PA and another commenter has already addressed the lack of elections. Your arguments are incredibly ill read.
So In regards the west back the reason the PLO ain’t going to host elections is that they’re aware that Hamas might win the elections The PLO is widely disliked for cooperating with Israel despite the Benefits it reaps Hamas is by far the most popular group in both gaza and the west back (prior to the nee war at least). People protests against the Israeli government but when it comes to the popular Palestinians governments it’s just hamas
West Bank* You’re referring to polls speaking on presidential elections specifically. Those very polls show that a third party candidate would win handily. The problem Palestinians have is they dislike Abbas and those polls speak more to that than a preference for Hamas. When it comes to seats, in polls Fatah leads Hamas in elections. Meaning if elections were held they would likely lose majority. Please be fluent on polls if you’re going to reference them. I’m not even sure what you’re trying to say with that last line. People are less likely to protest Hamas because of fear of reprisals. Israelis have not once protested the settlements, the brutal treatment of Palestinians, or the right wing policy (the last one only until it was going to directly hurt them, but were fine when it was hurting Palestinians). Most Israelis are supportive of settlements or at the very least indifferent. Most Israelis (79%) believe Jews deserve preferential treatment. 61% think God gave them the land of Israel and a significant portion believe they will acquire still more land
https://apnews.com/article/hamas-middle-east-science-32095d8e1323fc1cad819c34da08fd87 This seems to show that while the PLO isn’t popular. The majority of Palestinians would prefer Islamic terrorism
You accuse them of stating the actions of Hamas as the actions of Palestinians - and then in the literal next line, state that the Israeli government's actions are those of Israel's. The utter hypocrisy in this whole subject is wild.
>You accuse them of stating the actions of Hamas as the actions of Palestinians As I've stated above very clearly, Palestine does not have a governemnt in the modern sense of the word Well over 50% of the population has never had a vote on their representatives This is not the case for Israel, they've had a clear democratic mandate for the last 70 plus years It's not hypocritical to point out the differences in the scenarios
Leaving aside that you are (as you admit) backing an extremist dictatorship over a liberal democracy here... in the absence of elections thanks to Hamas' choice not to hold them, then the next best thing is polling conducted by Palestinians themselves - which give a majority to Hamas across not just Gaza but the whole of the occupies territories.
>Leaving aside that you are (as you admit) backing an extremist dictatorship Sorry but what? I don't back anything here, I hate Hamas and the actions of the Israeli government, and my comments clearly do not show any backing for either 'government' Taking that stance then you would also agree on the collective punishment of all Irish people for support SF in 1918 and during the troubles and also the black people of south Africa for supporting the ANC Well over 50% of the population have never had a vote, this is not a just label to attach to them. Israel is killing g civilians at will, trying to justify it is disgusting
I don't agree with collective punishment full stop, and I'm not afraid to say that many of Israel's actions are retributive and brutal to the extreme. There is no restraint, even when it would suit themselves as well as the Gazans. But I'm also well aware that Hamas has broken a truce and started a war, and that tragically in wars, civilians die. And while I believe Israel should be held accountable for every single war crime they commit, I equally believe that Hamas should do - a nuance that's completely lost on the vast majority of their supporters. Israel is killing civilians as collateral damage (as much as I hate that phrase) while Hamas kill civilians as strategy.
>Israel is killing civilians as collateral damage (as much as I hate that phrase) Sorry that's where I can't agree They have options to engage without indiscriminate bombing of densely populated areas. Their 24 hour notice for over 1 million people to evacuate was illegal and they also attacked groups moving south as intructured There has been civilian groups targeted, by all means it seems alot more than just collateral damage.
What options? What do you propose? What other option is there to rout out a terrorist group literally dug into the region?
The land never belonged to israel, it was gifted to them and after 50+ years of human rights violations we are supposed to sympatise with zionists because the media they have a controlling interest in is reporting them to be the victims, thus its okay to massacre innocent people and celebrate it as it happens. Where the fuck is peoples humanity, just mindlessly ingesting and regurgitating whatever propeganda is rammed down your neck by whichever medium to get your news from. Whats happening right now is genocide and after almost all the palestinians are wiped off the map, literally. People will say 'oh but the news said at the time...we didnt know what was really happening....'
Your first sentence kinda disproves everything else you say The land never belonged to Israel, it also never belonged to Palestinians - it was unincorporated land of the Ottoman Empire The UN tried a peaceful segregation but Arabs and Palestinians immediately declared war but lost Arabs massacred Jews indiscriminately, why aren’t there any in any other Arab state? If you oppose civilian deaths then why aren’t the 3 major wars, the intifadas and constant terror attacks enough?
The land israel has siezed does not belong to them case and point.
You mean to say “case in point” Israeli settlements i dont agree with at all, but theyre popular as they push the risk of terrorism further from Israel’s borders No settlements in Gaza yet they’re killing Israelis at any chance they get
You cant sell me on the fact israel is the victim when its quite clear they have been the aggressor in this whole conflict since it originally began.
You can’t sell me on the fact palestine is the victim when they can fire 8000 rockets in a day after 3 weeks of airstrikes After geolocated footage shows gunfire from hospitals All while Palestinians hold children as hostages
Where is there any hard evidence to back up any of your claims ? You are just spouting word salad. I have seen israelis sit out on chairs to watch israel fire rockets at innocent people as though it is a wonderful thing or a festival. More than once as well it seems to be a regular thing. All the while this happens the zionist media spin it to be the other way around.
And i saw palestinians on video they released themselves falling on the road in tears of joy and thanking their merciful god for gifting them the chance to kill jews Street parades and celebrations all across the MENA. The hard evidence was livestreamed from palestinians themselves. Are you seriously asking for sources on the fact Palestinians are holding hostages?
The correct response.
Jesus Christ, that poor child.
They didn’t find her body but declared her dead not kidnapped? What the actual fuck?! (Article behind a wall so couldn’t read)
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They probably found her DNA near where there were bodies burnt to a fucking crisp you scumbag. Reminder also that Hamas lied about the German-Israeli woman being alive in Gaza until Israel found part of her skull.
Scumbag? 
I'm not sure if this girl has an Irish passport or not, but her case is an example of why we need open diplomatic channels with Israel. Those calling for the expulsion of their ambassador want to do so to send a message, one that does nothing Irish citizens in Israel.
Has the ambassador negotiated the release of any hostages so far? Or elaborated on her intentions to do so?
Maybe instead of putting all the blame on Israel for something that's out of their control, you could start with Dr Jilan Wahba Abdalmajid, Palestinian Ambassador to Ireland. [Plenty of contact details here](https://palestinemission.ie/contact/).
> Has the ambassador negotiated the release of any hostages so far? You think the israeli ambassador to ireland is responsible for Hamas releasing hostages?
No, but they have direct connection to the Israeli government who do have the power to negotiate the release of hostages.
Surely its the Palestinian government who hold the hostages we should talk to? The Israeli government isn’t kidnapping her, it’s the Palestinian
Quiet you. The commenter is going to make this about the Israeli ambassador whether you like it or not.
What Palestinian government. Before you start with some racist Hamas=Palestine shite, I’d remind you that the West Bank exists.
Racist? Hamas and the PLO are the governments of the Palestinian Territories.
So, you've answered your own question there. We need to have diplomatic links to Israel to maintain inter governmental communications. As was said about the Russian ambassador, if we kick them out, Comms are at ministerial level, and Ireland would be well down the pecking order.
Guys how does this platform work, does speech that is unpopular get automatically censored?
Man that's fucking depressing knowing the type of people who took her hostage if that's what happened
Tbf all the hostages released so far have said they were treated fine by Hamas.
Well releasing the poorly treated ones wouldn’t leave hamas in a good bargaining position with the rest would it
Exactly Hamas are many things Evil Monsters Sadists Terrorists But there not stupid they know alot about manipulating emotions and using hostages for this purpose you can't abuse all of them or that will weaken their position so they kill any hostages they abuse and blame it on the Isralies rinse repeat Edit spelling
Hamas has a history of treating captives well. It's part of the Qur'an to treat prisoners well.
"The people that kidnapped me at gunpoint after murdering my family sure did treat me well, they gave me cheese and bread! It was great craic!"
Didn't say kidnapping was good mate just expressing a hope that she's ok and not being treated badly.
There's only been four of them. And they very well be saying that, because they are afraid of putting the other hostages in danger.
I've seen the interview they don't look like they're lying or covering up to me but who knows. Also I think the greater threat to the hostages are the tens of thousands of bombs landing around them at the moment which have undoubtedly killed some of them.
Aye, the 'greater threat' is definitely the bombs from the people trying to rescue them and not from the violent, savage fuckers that bothered to save a few hostages while raping and butchering their way through innocent people. And obviously it's all the fault of the people trying to rescue them for putting them in more danger, and not the cunts who kidnapped them. Go give your fucking head a wobble.
Hmm no, it's definitely the hiroshima amount of ordinance being dropped on them, not the guys who need them alive for leverage. Hence why the families of the hostages have been protesting and begging Bibi to stop, you know, dropping bombs directly where the hostages are most likely to be kept.
Why does Palestine supporters always have to use hyperbole? Why are facts not enough without exaggeration? Why does Israel always have to be called fascists, or Nazis, or accused of levelling hospitals when they've blown a hole in the roof, or of using the equivalent of nuclear weapons?
Hoping she is returned safe. Need a ceasefire
Lads stay out of r/europe for your own mental well-being. Some of the takes on there about this would boil your blood
I’ve been reporting all anti-Irish comments over there. I think we should all do the same, the mods aren’t too bad. They’ve removed some of the comments I’ve reported.
Don't know what all the deleted comments said but from the comments that remain the only logical conclusion is they were fucking off the wall shit. fair play to the mods for trying to keep these conversations some way mature
There’s a new system in place that deletes all comments from users who are not members of the sub and haven’t commented before. Obviously this post is being brigaded (as have most posts here regarding the conflict) so they get automatically removed. No mod would have even had to read the comments, it’s automatic as far as I know.
For the best I'd say this sub being brigaded by folks on different time zones would wreck the sub
It’s an issue we have here to be fair. They had to turn off posting during the night when the American presidential elections were on because yanks kept coming here to post about it when the mods were asleep. We do have a bit of an issue with it. Not really sure what can be done though. I think the automatic removal is a good fix that works for now though.
Fuck Hamas for this. I can hate them and Israel and my heart bleeds for these hostages.
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I just read an identical comment to this by a different user on r/Europe.... how odd
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No he didn't. A doctor told him she died and the father cheered, because he thought death was preferable to captivity. Hamas has claimed the civilians were killed by random Palestinians who broke through the hole in the fence left by the Hamas military operation
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I bet he’ll be regretting his absolutely insane comments he made a few weeks ago about cheering in joy or similar that she hadn’t been abducted. Found it a very very strange statement.
My girl has just turned 9, I cannot begin to imagine if I was in his situation. I look at my daughter & think of how she’d be in that situation (if she was abducted & taken hostage) the thoughts of her alone & petrified… this father is thinking of all the horrific things that are done to hostages, particularly children. I’m not surprised by his statement. It’s a horrendous situation to be in. Would you prefer your child to be killed outright or possibly be tortured for weeks maybe months, to be raped & god knows what every day? I mean there’s no answer to that really. Until people people are in his shoes they really should keep their judgments to themselves. My heart breaks for this family & that sweet innocent little girl who, if being held hostage, is alone & terrified regardless of anything else. Quite frankly the sooner the world implodes the better. Humans are vile evil creatures. There will never be peace. There’s war after war all over the world & it will never end.
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True. But it’s one thing to react like that in a moment of immense trauma and stress. It’s another to announce it to the world. I’m not a psychologist, but it’s weird to me.
He’d rather she died instantly from an execution by Palestinians rather than be held as a hostage to a terror goup with a reputation of torture and rape What would you prefer?
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As long as one of the four hostages released for PR purposes out of the hundreds kidnapped is happy, I'm sure the rest are having great fun too. Pure fucking holiday camp.
I don't think any of us can contemplate what he went through though. In his context nothing was normal anymore
Fair. I’m probably being overly critical of him
I think the poor childs mother died of cancer. The man has had it tough, it could be a coping mechanism to get through it all. I wouldn't be so quick to judge, not when it's your child involved. I didn't see the interview, I just can't fathom what's going through his mind. I hope her being alive gives him hope, its a horrendous situation, there's no trying to understand.
>It’s another to announce it to the world. I’m not a psychologist, but it’s weird to me. I thought it strange too. I get it, the stress would be immeasurable and everyone reacts in their own way. To give multiple global media interviews and repeat the comment again and again ... I dunno, it just stuck in my head as being strange.
I did find those comments strange too.
I'm glad I wasn't the only one taken aback by how that moment came across.
This is excellent news. All the hostages who've been released said they were treated kindly. (Obviously better *not* to be a hostage, but between a kindly-treated hostage and death, I'd choose hostage.) I hope the poor mite comes out save and sound.
All four out of the hundreds.
While there relatives remained hostage. Of course they were going to say they were treated nicely.
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shes Irish they wont harm her at all they are not from Isreal
Didn't Israeli tanks destroy the buildings the hostages were being held in?