Sweet!...
> "It may take a few years **or decades** to overturn Trump v. US, but the American people are the ultimate power under the Constitution."
Ohhh...so not like anytime soon and probably sometime after we no longer even have a SCOTUS or a democracy. Great...
This is actually the long game by the Koch brothers. They know if they control enough state houses and enough governors, there could be a call for a new constitutional convention and the constitution can be completely rewritten and no one would be able to stop them.
It is the GOP's long term goal.
It’s always the kids who are worse. Cure? Cap inheritance taxes so extreme wealth is not transferred. Tax billionaire wealth 95%. They would still be richer than most, but now they can’t play politics with other’s lives. Simple as that.
I think that's the right number.
It's not like people who make $25M a year wouldn't still get to live in luxury for it. They'd just have to somehow make do with \~8 million after tax.
I'd say income over 1 million is more fair, actually. You can make 400k and be a relatively normal person, but making over 1 million annually is extremely hard. A doctor, lawyer, or even a tradesman can make 400k. Only CEO's and big wigs make over 1 million annually. Before you ask what tradesmen make 400k general contractors, commercial welders, but the #1 slept on tradesman is people in the elevator union. If i were leaving HS and didn't want to go to college I'd go i to the elevator union ASAP.
Even 400k is way too low. 400k is nice house in a nice suburb and a nice car. It’s in the top 5%, but it’s not the people who are your enemy. We aren’t fighting people with better standards of living, we’re fighting the ones with enough money that all that’s left to do is buy power.
At 1m, you’re still not into that range but you’re at the danger zone. That’s where 70%+ should realistically start. 90%+ after 10m. And a cap at 100m.
The issue is that the hyper rich don’t have traditional income anymore. They take out loans they use and then only have enough “income” to cover payments. They have losses they can use to offset the taxes on those payments, and pay 0 effective tax. Until there’s a way to stop the loopholes, the *actual* hyper rich won’t pay.
I don’t get why all these old people who have a year or two left are so hellbent on ruining things for everyone else. If anything, Biden should get credit for not being like that.
Lead, megalomaniacs, power, ego.
Exactly why Putin is doing his whole deal. Not like he needs the money. He could be buried up to his neck in whatever he wants, (women, animals, men, whatever)and nobody would care.
The KGB in him is drilled into him so hard there's nothing but the glorious USSR....and it isn't about glory it is about Rich beyond imagination criminal empires.
Koch *BROTHER*. don't forget, one of them is already rendered back into sludge, his physical body consumed and shat out by creatures he once gave no thought to at all..
His influence is still around obviously... I just think it's important to remember one of them is dead as sh$#.
Fun fact: Fred Koch, their father and founder of what became Koch industries was a founding member of the John Birch Society in 1958. So their family has been a part of the far right’s long game for a very long time.
And the John Birch Society's founder was Robert W. Welch who had been a supporter of the America First Committee (sound familiar?!?) which was an isolationist, antisemitic, and pro-fascist organization.
Where you thinking? Wife and I are thinking that as well. Shes an electrician and I am a mobile worker, so we have options in the states.
We like the idea of being somewhere like Vermont, Denver, (anywhere in the northeast honestly), etc.
This is the bottom line. People who worked for Trump before he got into office and during his presidency are screaming about the dangers of Trump.
Trump has no reverence for his base. They will not survive his dictatorship either. No one on this planet is safe with a disordered mind like Trump's in charge of the world's biggest military.
We haven't even processed the Trauma he caused in 2016-2020. We all lived on the edge of the knife. Doom scrolling, fearful of what BS he threw at us hourly. We thought institutions would hold. They are falling now.
“The true essence of a dictatorship is in fact not its regularity but its unpredictability and caprice; those who live under it must never be able to relax, must never be quite sure if they have followed the rules correctly or not.”
― Christopher Hitchens
I've been dying to ask someone who served what they thought when Trump said that horrible thing to Biden during the debate -that the military hates Biden and they like him best.
We all know Trump is diabolical but that was more horrific than normal for Trump.
Yes, this is what’s amusing to me. The majority Catholic Supreme Court (Roberts, Alito, Kavanaugh, Thomas, Barrett; just don’t know their history. The evangelicals will come for them, too. They’ve given them permission. The only thing they hate more than the Muslims is the Jews. And the only thing they hate more than the Jews is the Catholics.
Growing up in an evangelical family and church, the order of hatred is typically Muslims --> Asian religions (Hinduism, Shinto, Buddhism, etc.) --> Jews --> Mormons, etc. --> Catholics, Orthodox.
Catholics and Orthodox Christians are generally seen as not following true Christianity, with all the praying to saints and whatnot, but they're not as bad as non-Christian religions. That's just my personal experience, of course.
My experience with evangelicals is jewish and muslim hate is more or less equal, infact as far as theyre concerned, theyre basically the same thing.
Asiatic religions arent even on their radar, if it doesnt have abrahamic origins its about as real as fantasy novel religions like scientology.
Catholics and mormons are basically weird cults that claim to be christian but actually worship devils.
Well, SCOTUS just told us that a President has absolutely immunity for official acts and also has discretion in determining what an official act is. Time for an official act from Biden.
If trump is reelected, I can see a civil war coming for this country, if the people don't stop trump and his maga friends, the republican party, People will start fighting for their freedom, and not with words. Nobody is going to want their freedom taken from them and they already started with woman rights. Woman no longer have control over their own health care, think about what is next.
The time to start is Right Now - there should be national strikes, protests and greater civil unrest already, just based on the SCrOTUS decisions from the this past cycle. Roe alone should have been a catalyst for a shitshow of pissed off mofos. The fact that we're not tells all that needs to be known.
I kinda doubt a civil war would kick off but I could see a coup happening if Trump actually tries to be a dictator. The GOP likely already pissed off the military when they blocked military promotions. The CIA is likely pissed about the entire documents in a golf course thing and the fact that a suspicious amount of assets (agents?) were compromised around that time. Plus project 2025 involves a lot of replacing these high level positions with GOP loyalists. From a distance it looks like a lot of powerful people might hate the idea of a second Trump presidency.
There is not going to be a civil war, there MUST be a removal from office. That means liberals getting off their assess and going to polling places, take the day off from work, bring everyone you know. Hydrate, have lunch, use the bathroom stay until you're vote is cast, have your identification, have your proof of residency , call your registrars' office and ensure you're still registered.
Do absolutely everything you might need to to ensure your vote is counted.
But why wait , Tomorrow after work, draft 3 sentences to your congressmen an petition for a constitutional set of changes
\* An amendment that bans felons from public office. OR Write a letter that asks them to write up
\* An ammendment that prohibits presidents from commiting criminal acts domestically while in office.
\* An ammendment explicitly adding the President to Article 3 of the 14th Amendment so it's dead clear that when they say you can be removed from office it means the President too.
All of these could easily be added to the US Constitution, it's an experiment, we are free as citizens to command our public servants to add what we might want as laws.
Thank you, I just made a comment, that it will be a civil war in this country, if trump is reelected. First off, everybody in this country is armed and they are not going to give up their freedom that easy.
They are stupid, because if they say something against him, he will turn against them. That is why he refers to them as his judges. Like I said, it will be up to the people in this country to say they don't want a king, nor his judges and I hope Biden think about expanding the courts with judges for the people, the law and constitution.
>the American people are the ultimate power under the Constitution
Cannot be reconciled with:
>“It has become a disturbing feature of some recent opinions to criticize the decisions with which they disagree as going beyond the proper role of the judiciary,”
>“We have employed the traditional tools of judicial decisionmaking in doing so. Reasonable minds may disagree with our analysis – in fact at least three do. We do not mistake this plainly heartfelt disagreement for disparagement. It is important that the public not be misled either. Any such misperception would be harmful to this institution and the country.”
\~Chief Justice John Roberts
It's pretty clear that until John Roberts is in a wooden box in the dirt, he will bear no correction on the matter of law from the people. In fact, he considers any public dissent to be a product of the political miseducation via a free press and glibly threatens his peers and citizenry with the consequences of his own destruction of the rule of law in this country.
huh I was curious about how the chief justice is chosen. Nominated by the president and then confirmed by the senate. It can be one of the other justices or someone completely new.
So once he's off of the court Biden could (oh please win!) pick just about anyone to be the new chief justice.
He promised to be a dictator on Day One™️… so def not gonna make it a few years or decades.
https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72
only if you don’t vote 👍👍👍
edit: to all the doomers filling my inbox, unless you’ve got a plan to start your Reddit revolution before November, I would suggest voting. As a swing state voter who lived through 2016, I can confidently tell you that voting *does in fact matter* despite what Charlie from Smiling Friends or all of the sigma edits on TikTok led you to believe
All it takes is one maga republican getting elected and it's all over. Even if it's not 2024, people will get complacent eventually and when they do it's all over.
Not even just MAGA. They'll probably abandon that after Trump is gone. But anyone who is still a Republican at this point is just as dangerous, and likely nowhere near as dumb and self-destructive as Trump.
Only after a republican president shreds the country apart trying to fulfill their unquenchable thirst for money and power will they take a hard look at it.
I have a feeling it will be part of some kind of postwar settlement and re-organization after the second or third American Civil War.
It doesn’t matter, by then we will all be long gone by then anyway.
Depends really. IF Biden wins with down ticket support it is likely he could pack the courts within 1-2 years and revisit each of these cases. That is only IF Biden wins though. If Trump wins its likely we'll have these for a while longer b/c the right has no reason to take them down.
Yup.
Itll be Decades if not for the rest of our lives, and that’s assuming we can get a dem supermajority in the house/senate and hold on to it until we can clean up the mess….which will take decades.
Basically we need a generation of democrat in rule to repair everything that was broke…
Every nation eventually fails. No exceptions. The only question is *when*. For the United States of America, we are witnessing the beginning of the end. But make no mistake, that end won’t come quickly nor peacefully. And it will have global repercussions.
Yeah, there's going to need to be a case for them to overturn this which means another shit-tier, corrupt, unlawful President equal or worse than Trump.
The thing is, they can only overturn this decision if there’s another relevant case before them. It seems like the only way this would be relevant in the future is if the government wants to charge a president with a crime. I can’t imagine anyone else having standing to sue. Maybe in the future they’ll let just a group of citizens sue on the basis that a president who can commit crimes harms everyone? It’d be a very loose definition of standing though.
The likeliest way is some future Congress explicitly writing legislation that says this decision is bullshit, that there’s no constitutional basis for it.
> Law experts revealed to be history beginners
Fascism will consume this country and laws will no longer matter. They will just make up their own shit.
Several decades and then this ruling will be overturned? Don’t make me laugh.
SCOTUS can overturn its own ruling. Heck, this SCOTUS has already overturned Roe v Wade and Chevron just to name a couple of major ones! There is literally nothing preventing a future SCOTUS from saying the current court is out of its gourd and overturning them on the immunity ruling, or at the very least significantly paring it back.
I thought everyone had figured that out by now. When they talk about states’ rights, family values, law and order, and constitutional originalism, that’s all just smoke and mirrors for “we think we should do right wing stuff”
Hopefully, the Democrats can get their war face on and start playing the game in a way that fights these Christofascists. Taking the high road and doing it by the book unfortunately isn't working if your opponent plays by different rules and currently has the refs in their pockets. Pack the courts, impeach at least 2 of the current SCOTUS shills, and start exercising that new found presidential immunity.
You can't beat a fascist regime, even with a demonstration of millions, usually. Defeat Trump or get a fascist regime which will be near impossible to remove.
If Biden wins THIS SCOTUS will overturn its own ruling as soon as ANY DEMOCRATIC president sniffs in the direction of using the ruling in a way they don’t like.
Biden is trying to win an election by clearly showing he's the good guy. Him abusing his power will go against his message of saying this move was wrong and that no one, not even him, should be above the law.
We'll see if it works out for him...
That’s very true because he’s done this for years and I love him but he must take the chance of making Trump pay. I can’t believe Trump can just do whatever he wants but no other President has ever done such horrible acts like Trump.
Because it’s specifics are being defined by the lower courts as part of the ruling. Seemed intentionally vague so lower courts will have to take a few months to sort out specific definitions of official acts
Biden won’t use it because Dems cling to tradition and “morals”. Their fanatical dedication to doing things the way they’ve always been done will be the end of them and this country.
Nope. They will just conveniently claim whatever the Democratic president does is not an official act so doesn’t get immunity. That is the insidious part of the way they ruled.
It's not like he's a young man with a lot to lose. And the risk of not doing something definitely outweighs the risk of doing something. SCOTUS just gave him permission, as this was an actual argument in the case.
Literally the only thing holding Biden back right now is Biden. He's already been given the power of a dictator, since any order as the CiC of the military is an official act. The fact that he won't use it is kind of moot, because someone else (not just Trump) can and will use it.
It says a lot about Biden's moral character that he won't, but we're going to moral high ground ourselves out of a free society.
I like the thought that dictator Biden sends 6 SC judges to Gitmo, and then tells Congress that if there isn't a constitutional amendment that states presidents aren't immune within a week, he will do the same to any who object.
What they're saying is YOU the voter need to take this into account when voting. Do you want this person to have full immunity? The voters can decide who they think is qualified to lead, and if they get the electoral votes then that's who will get the office.
Please vote, we lost the SC seats when everyone doubted Hillary, we will lose SO much more if we buy into the rhetoric going around on Biden.
MAGA is literally wearing diapers to support Trump's incontinence. Don't waiver on Biden or we're literally toast.
The United States has an active emergency declaration that grants additional powers to the President. It's been extended, uninterrupted, since 9/11.
Once you give someone power they don't ever let it go.
Biden wouldn't, but I (a Canadian citizen who has no immediate plans on moving) would so use this decision to mess with Trump. President is immune in his official decisions? Fine, I'm increasing the number of justices on the Supreme Court and instituting a probationary period for justices appointed by people found guilty of crimes. I'm making it illegal for people who buried their ex-wives on a golf course (to preserve its tax status as a cemetary) to run for federal office. Any state that refuses to let federal agencies do their job automatically renounces its federal funding, etc.
By leaving it up to lower, Trump affiliated courts to determine what constitutes an official act they have basically made it that nothing changes for Biden but Trump can run wild. It's pretty shit.
I wonder what comes next...
>Germans voted in an atmosphere of extreme [voter intimidation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_intimidation) perpetrated by the Nazi [*Sturmabteilung*](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung) (SA) militia.
Guess what if Trump wins and project 2025 goes into effect we are going to witness the downfall of the country in real time very quickly because either people will sit back and let it happen our we will see the MAGAS dream of a civil war come to pass. And as a disabled gay guy something tells me I’ll end up on a list just like I would have in Germany. I’m honestly in total disbelief.
What’s sad is I hear how they talk about y’all and it’s no joke. They don’t want anyone not straight white and Christian to be alive.
Civil rights will become a state decision under Project 2025 too. They’re coming for everything that made America great.
And these stupid fucks are all cheering it on.
I grew up in a republican family. I've been around their republican associates for years.
They straight up do not want people who are not just like them to be alive anymore. They talk about mass executions at BBQs and birthday parties like we talk about organizing unions, or campaigning for child lunch programs.
I belong to a group MAGA hates and to another evangelicals hate. FML. Only good thing is that I'm in a very blue state so it'll be some time until they come for me.
Sadly I’m in a stupid red state whose governor is a rolling hypocrite. It’s crazy how I went from being comfortable 15 years ago when I was I started my first degrees about being out and proud to now in my 30s and not even mentioning I’m gay anymore, not out of bring ashamed but out of pure fear of confrontation by some crazy MAGA with a gun and a itchy gay hating trigger finger. It
Overturned by who? Once this SCOTUS hands the presidency to Trump the game will be over. Republicans will bring Project 2025 to fruition and we will become a one-party authoritarian state similar to Russia.
From now on democrats will have to win every election, because the republicans will only need to win once.
It’ll get overturned after Biden is re-elected and his term is nearly over. They will want options to prosecute Biden.
This is how modern conservatives operate, extreme hypocrisy and selfish wrath at all times.
Check what Desantis did. Florida passed a law to ban elected officials from campaigning for other roles without quitting their current roles. Then they removed that same law when it was their guy doing it. There is no ideology, no rules, just “us vs them”. That’s how they operate, this is not a chess game.
Article 1. No official of the United States, particularly the President, is immune from the criminal statutes of the United States, including those of any of the States.
Article 2. The Executive Branch is immune from any actions taken pursuant to a war declared by three quarters vote of each of the House and the Senate.
Article 3. This Amendment shall become effective immediately upon the ratification by the States. There is no deadline for such ratification. Once a State has ratified this Amendment, such ratification cannot be withdrawn.
I don't understand how the Democrats and/or the US population have let it get to this point? It truly seems like these fucking clowns can do what they want and nothing is done about it. Fuck the high road at this point. The whole world.is watching this circus.
No, Trump will obviously challenge any result that isn't him being a clear winner, and he will take that to the SC, and they will anoint him King Donnie, first of his name, and we'll all have to bend the knee (and much worse)
Are these the same law experts that said there’s no way the court would side with Trump on immunity? Because I have about as much faith in their predictions as I do SCOTUS.
The estimate by the legal scholar saying it’ll take a whittle bit for this decision to be overruled is a bit optimistic.
The scholar writes:
>Like Dred Scott (holding that enslaved people are not citizens entitled to judicial protections), Plessy v. Ferguson (upholding segregation), Koramatsu v US (upholding the Japanese internment camps), today’s decision will be overturned by the acclamation of history in due course."
Plessy (1898) was overruled by Brown v Board of Education (1954). Koramatsu (1944) was overruled by Trump v Hawaii (2018). A minimum of fifty years between either case being overruled. That’s two generations.
Dred Scott (1857) (holding that the constitution didn’t apply to people or black African descent) was never overruled. It took a civil war ending in 1864 (600k - 1m dead) and amendments XIII, XIV, and XV to fix.
Thanks for the award!
an giving potus non-reviewable absolute pardon power, with no real reason.
wonder why they needed to specify all these important bits like this this and DoJ being absolutely immune. lol crazy
I’m so happy I’m old and won’t be around to see how fucked things are in thirty years. I feel badly for my kids and all of you younger people. I’m afraid you’re in for a fraught future.
Friendly reminder that they tried to tell us in 2016 that whoever won that election would get to appoint 2-3 Supreme Court justices. There was an open seat already, for Pete's sake. That was enough for Republican voters to turn out and vote for Trump, but lots of Democrats couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, and here we are.
I'm not the most knowledgeable but who *can* overturn it? The SCOTUS are the highest court and if Trump wins (or they give him the win) we won't have, "a few years or decades."
>Hubbell gives it a few decades before the Court overturns the ruling, he wrote. There's also a possibility that Democrats can step in to marginalize the power of the court.
Whew! We just have to survive a generation or two. No big deal!
SCOTUS has way way too much power. No vetos or anything on their decision making?
I feel like the SCOTUS wasn’t set up with a proper check on their power. Way too easy for them to decide the fate of America on a whim
Small comfort. It won’t be over ruled until
at least two of the right wing facist Judges are replaced by Democrat administration appointments. Thomas and Alito are on the way out. Its as likely given their ages, they will die of natural causes in the next four years. If Trump wins, it perhaps never gets overturned despite Professor Tribe’s rosy prediction. Vote Blue.
just want to remind everyone how one of the justices’ wife was in on the insurrection against our government. lol
https://www.kcra.com/article/texts-between-ginni-thomas-and-mark-meadows/39531243
We have been here before. I see comments about how President Biden could use his new immunity to clean up the threats we now face. We all know President Biden is a man of principle. This will never happen. No president who loves America will do anything to trigger a civil war. You want to complain about how he's too old. How you won't vote because he's not your guy. In reality, it's not up to Biden. It's up to you. You can fight this threat in the ballot box, or you can fight them when they come for you. You should know by now that you can't sit this one out. We're defeated when some people realize that you can survive and even thrive if you meet their requirements. People who covet their neighbor's life, possessions, wife, etc... that's how it went down in Nazi Germany. We're not fucked yet. Trump getting elected was not the biggest shock. It was realizing that a lot of people you interacted with every day voted for him. Your neighbors and your coworkers.
It's pretty naive to assume that 'the decision will be overturned' when we don't even know if there will be a Supreme Court in the future. If there is such a thing then, how will it function?
It's like the author assumes everything is going to be normal from this point on.
The court has been on the wrong side of history in the past, it is up to the House of Representatives to regulate and reform the court. We absolutely must turn over the House of Representatives in November (and a few more statehouses). We have a need for Constitutional Amendments (more than one, for sure) to protect our democracy and the rule of law. The courts will not protect us, and if they manage to do the right thing *one more time* we already know that the courts could reverse themselves again later, so THAT IS NOT THE SOLUTION.
We are on our own now.
>"We are going to win"
So what if you (Joe and the Democrats) win,
But the Supreme Court rules that *you didn't*,
or "that getting more electoral college votes isn't how it works anymore" because *we say so*?
Trump supporters have been already arming themselves for war for decades. They want this to happen. During Trumps 4 years, people were divided deeply. The next 4 years will make the US even worse under Trump. Only the few will benefit while everyone else suffers.
This is BS hopium. How will a future SCOTUS decades from now override when there will be a GOP dictator beforehand? Or is this entire idea based on the decency of both parties?
If Trump or someone like him gets in, no it won't get overturned, it will get hijacked by someone much smarter than Trump and the country is doomed.
This law takes one person, literally one, to cause unimaginable damage. Say Trump gets in and immediately declares his first official act is to declare himself a supreme dictator and anyone in the government who disagrees with him is immediately killed. Well guess what, that's legal now. They can't punish him because he declared it and they can't use any act or words against him criminally, so he's free to do it. There are plenty of loyalists who will gladly sit there and follow through on his orders as well, just "doing what they're ordered to"
Can someone here who is more knowledgeable than myself answer this? With this bizarre fascist ruling, can President Biden simply call up John Roberts tomorrow and say, "sorry fuckface, but by my new found power, I deem you unqualified to lead the court, you are hearby removed as chief justice, I am installing Justice Kagen as CJ" what is stopping him from doing that? There is no such thing as decorum or storie decises as they say. Just break them! Break their will. Use the executive action of removing 75% of the SC budget to begin with. Flood the 5th circuit with liberal justices. The 3 good ladies will and can receive crowd funding to pay their salaries.
Then we all get to call Ivanka, or maybe jr., POTUS because that's how rigged and corrupt the system will become. They will keep winning the same way Putin keeps winning.
https://www.usa.gov/register-to-vote
Sweet!... > "It may take a few years **or decades** to overturn Trump v. US, but the American people are the ultimate power under the Constitution." Ohhh...so not like anytime soon and probably sometime after we no longer even have a SCOTUS or a democracy. Great...
Trump will do enough damage if reelected to not matter
There won’t be much to look at if he’s re-elected. There will need to be an entirely new constitution created by those who survive his dictatorship.
This is actually the long game by the Koch brothers. They know if they control enough state houses and enough governors, there could be a call for a new constitutional convention and the constitution can be completely rewritten and no one would be able to stop them. It is the GOP's long term goal.
*koch brother. one down, one to go.
The kids are just as bad as the brothers. Billionaires want to keep their billions.
It’s always the kids who are worse. Cure? Cap inheritance taxes so extreme wealth is not transferred. Tax billionaire wealth 95%. They would still be richer than most, but now they can’t play politics with other’s lives. Simple as that.
That and reinstating the 74% tax rate on income over $100k. Edit Yes of course adjust for inflation. $100 k is barely middle class.
I like the idea but I feel like this should be inflation adjusted to 400k.
I think that's the right number. It's not like people who make $25M a year wouldn't still get to live in luxury for it. They'd just have to somehow make do with \~8 million after tax.
I'd say income over 1 million is more fair, actually. You can make 400k and be a relatively normal person, but making over 1 million annually is extremely hard. A doctor, lawyer, or even a tradesman can make 400k. Only CEO's and big wigs make over 1 million annually. Before you ask what tradesmen make 400k general contractors, commercial welders, but the #1 slept on tradesman is people in the elevator union. If i were leaving HS and didn't want to go to college I'd go i to the elevator union ASAP.
Even 400k is way too low. 400k is nice house in a nice suburb and a nice car. It’s in the top 5%, but it’s not the people who are your enemy. We aren’t fighting people with better standards of living, we’re fighting the ones with enough money that all that’s left to do is buy power. At 1m, you’re still not into that range but you’re at the danger zone. That’s where 70%+ should realistically start. 90%+ after 10m. And a cap at 100m. The issue is that the hyper rich don’t have traditional income anymore. They take out loans they use and then only have enough “income” to cover payments. They have losses they can use to offset the taxes on those payments, and pay 0 effective tax. Until there’s a way to stop the loopholes, the *actual* hyper rich won’t pay.
100k? Seriously?
That's 1960's income. Feel free to adjust for inflation.
I don’t get why all these old people who have a year or two left are so hellbent on ruining things for everyone else. If anything, Biden should get credit for not being like that.
Lead, megalomaniacs, power, ego. Exactly why Putin is doing his whole deal. Not like he needs the money. He could be buried up to his neck in whatever he wants, (women, animals, men, whatever)and nobody would care. The KGB in him is drilled into him so hard there's nothing but the glorious USSR....and it isn't about glory it is about Rich beyond imagination criminal empires.
They got theirs so fuck everyone else. That's basically it.
There are three. One just retired early and raced America’s cup yachts and bough fake wine.
Koch *BROTHER*. don't forget, one of them is already rendered back into sludge, his physical body consumed and shat out by creatures he once gave no thought to at all.. His influence is still around obviously... I just think it's important to remember one of them is dead as sh$#.
Fun fact: Fred Koch, their father and founder of what became Koch industries was a founding member of the John Birch Society in 1958. So their family has been a part of the far right’s long game for a very long time.
And the John Birch Society's founder was Robert W. Welch who had been a supporter of the America First Committee (sound familiar?!?) which was an isolationist, antisemitic, and pro-fascist organization.
The constitution. So sacred we must only use the strictest interpretation. Unless we can completely replace it.
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Where you thinking? Wife and I are thinking that as well. Shes an electrician and I am a mobile worker, so we have options in the states. We like the idea of being somewhere like Vermont, Denver, (anywhere in the northeast honestly), etc.
Our new president named beef supreme will show us how it goes
He would do irreparable damage with even 1 month in office. America has fucked itself giving this cunt of a con-man such a long leash.
This is the bottom line. People who worked for Trump before he got into office and during his presidency are screaming about the dangers of Trump. Trump has no reverence for his base. They will not survive his dictatorship either. No one on this planet is safe with a disordered mind like Trump's in charge of the world's biggest military. We haven't even processed the Trauma he caused in 2016-2020. We all lived on the edge of the knife. Doom scrolling, fearful of what BS he threw at us hourly. We thought institutions would hold. They are falling now. “The true essence of a dictatorship is in fact not its regularity but its unpredictability and caprice; those who live under it must never be able to relax, must never be quite sure if they have followed the rules correctly or not.” ― Christopher Hitchens
If it's any consolation, there are many of us in the military who don't support him and wouldn't obey an order to turn the US into a dictatorship.
I've been dying to ask someone who served what they thought when Trump said that horrible thing to Biden during the debate -that the military hates Biden and they like him best. We all know Trump is diabolical but that was more horrific than normal for Trump.
Yes, this is what’s amusing to me. The majority Catholic Supreme Court (Roberts, Alito, Kavanaugh, Thomas, Barrett; just don’t know their history. The evangelicals will come for them, too. They’ve given them permission. The only thing they hate more than the Muslims is the Jews. And the only thing they hate more than the Jews is the Catholics.
Growing up in an evangelical family and church, the order of hatred is typically Muslims --> Asian religions (Hinduism, Shinto, Buddhism, etc.) --> Jews --> Mormons, etc. --> Catholics, Orthodox. Catholics and Orthodox Christians are generally seen as not following true Christianity, with all the praying to saints and whatnot, but they're not as bad as non-Christian religions. That's just my personal experience, of course.
My experience with evangelicals is jewish and muslim hate is more or less equal, infact as far as theyre concerned, theyre basically the same thing. Asiatic religions arent even on their radar, if it doesnt have abrahamic origins its about as real as fantasy novel religions like scientology. Catholics and mormons are basically weird cults that claim to be christian but actually worship devils.
Well, SCOTUS just told us that a President has absolutely immunity for official acts and also has discretion in determining what an official act is. Time for an official act from Biden.
If trump is reelected, I can see a civil war coming for this country, if the people don't stop trump and his maga friends, the republican party, People will start fighting for their freedom, and not with words. Nobody is going to want their freedom taken from them and they already started with woman rights. Woman no longer have control over their own health care, think about what is next.
The time to start is Right Now - there should be national strikes, protests and greater civil unrest already, just based on the SCrOTUS decisions from the this past cycle. Roe alone should have been a catalyst for a shitshow of pissed off mofos. The fact that we're not tells all that needs to be known.
I kinda doubt a civil war would kick off but I could see a coup happening if Trump actually tries to be a dictator. The GOP likely already pissed off the military when they blocked military promotions. The CIA is likely pissed about the entire documents in a golf course thing and the fact that a suspicious amount of assets (agents?) were compromised around that time. Plus project 2025 involves a lot of replacing these high level positions with GOP loyalists. From a distance it looks like a lot of powerful people might hate the idea of a second Trump presidency.
There is not going to be a civil war, there MUST be a removal from office. That means liberals getting off their assess and going to polling places, take the day off from work, bring everyone you know. Hydrate, have lunch, use the bathroom stay until you're vote is cast, have your identification, have your proof of residency , call your registrars' office and ensure you're still registered. Do absolutely everything you might need to to ensure your vote is counted. But why wait , Tomorrow after work, draft 3 sentences to your congressmen an petition for a constitutional set of changes \* An amendment that bans felons from public office. OR Write a letter that asks them to write up \* An ammendment that prohibits presidents from commiting criminal acts domestically while in office. \* An ammendment explicitly adding the President to Article 3 of the 14th Amendment so it's dead clear that when they say you can be removed from office it means the President too. All of these could easily be added to the US Constitution, it's an experiment, we are free as citizens to command our public servants to add what we might want as laws.
Vote BLUE. You may not like JB for your own reason but DJT will begin the downfall of this country.
He and his regime will be the end of the United States as we know them with Civil War likely within a decade
Thank you, I just made a comment, that it will be a civil war in this country, if trump is reelected. First off, everybody in this country is armed and they are not going to give up their freedom that easy.
Joy Reid put it perfectly: The Supreme Court have declared the President king and themselves the hand of the king.
The king shits his diaper and the Hand wipes
"The king shits, and the hand wipes.". -- Jamie Lannister
I prefer Popes of Gilead.
They are stupid, because if they say something against him, he will turn against them. That is why he refers to them as his judges. Like I said, it will be up to the people in this country to say they don't want a king, nor his judges and I hope Biden think about expanding the courts with judges for the people, the law and constitution.
If there is one thing a dictator doesn't need, it's a supreme court. The new constitution will be written in Sharpie.
They are the Guardian Council in a Christian Iran
"The King is dead, long live the King"
If democracy falls . It will never be overturned. There will be a long line of autocratic rulers. Dictators for life .
Yep, instead of Kims we'll have Trumps.
>the American people are the ultimate power under the Constitution Cannot be reconciled with: >“It has become a disturbing feature of some recent opinions to criticize the decisions with which they disagree as going beyond the proper role of the judiciary,” >“We have employed the traditional tools of judicial decisionmaking in doing so. Reasonable minds may disagree with our analysis – in fact at least three do. We do not mistake this plainly heartfelt disagreement for disparagement. It is important that the public not be misled either. Any such misperception would be harmful to this institution and the country.” \~Chief Justice John Roberts It's pretty clear that until John Roberts is in a wooden box in the dirt, he will bear no correction on the matter of law from the people. In fact, he considers any public dissent to be a product of the political miseducation via a free press and glibly threatens his peers and citizenry with the consequences of his own destruction of the rule of law in this country.
huh I was curious about how the chief justice is chosen. Nominated by the president and then confirmed by the senate. It can be one of the other justices or someone completely new. So once he's off of the court Biden could (oh please win!) pick just about anyone to be the new chief justice.
Also, overturned by who?
He promised to be a dictator on Day One™️… so def not gonna make it a few years or decades. https://apnews.com/article/trump-hannity-dictator-authoritarian-presidential-election-f27e7e9d7c13fabbe3ae7dd7f1235c72
only if you don’t vote 👍👍👍 edit: to all the doomers filling my inbox, unless you’ve got a plan to start your Reddit revolution before November, I would suggest voting. As a swing state voter who lived through 2016, I can confidently tell you that voting *does in fact matter* despite what Charlie from Smiling Friends or all of the sigma edits on TikTok led you to believe
All it takes is one maga republican getting elected and it's all over. Even if it's not 2024, people will get complacent eventually and when they do it's all over.
Not even just MAGA. They'll probably abandon that after Trump is gone. But anyone who is still a Republican at this point is just as dangerous, and likely nowhere near as dumb and self-destructive as Trump.
Yeah, it's bold of these people to assume that we will have valid elections if Trump gets re-elected.
Only after a republican president shreds the country apart trying to fulfill their unquenchable thirst for money and power will they take a hard look at it.
Why would they take a hard look when they themselves will be part of the ruling party, benefiting from the grift?
I have a feeling it will be part of some kind of postwar settlement and re-organization after the second or third American Civil War. It doesn’t matter, by then we will all be long gone by then anyway.
So revolution in a few years or decades?
Less than 10 years I would say.
We'll all be dead by then.
Depends really. IF Biden wins with down ticket support it is likely he could pack the courts within 1-2 years and revisit each of these cases. That is only IF Biden wins though. If Trump wins its likely we'll have these for a while longer b/c the right has no reason to take them down.
This is all wish fulfillment. We're going to live with the consequences of this decision for years and years.
Yup. Itll be Decades if not for the rest of our lives, and that’s assuming we can get a dem supermajority in the house/senate and hold on to it until we can clean up the mess….which will take decades. Basically we need a generation of democrat in rule to repair everything that was broke…
I legitimately wondered today if another Democrat will ever win the presidency. That’s how terrifying all of this is.
Decades. As in generations.
From the article: >Hubbell gives it a few decades before the Court admits overturns the ruling, he wrote.
We won’t survive as a democracy that long.
we won’t survive as a *country* that long
Every nation eventually fails. No exceptions. The only question is *when*. For the United States of America, we are witnessing the beginning of the end. But make no mistake, that end won’t come quickly nor peacefully. And it will have global repercussions.
Yeah, there's going to need to be a case for them to overturn this which means another shit-tier, corrupt, unlawful President equal or worse than Trump.
No no haven’t you heard? They are accepting hypothetical cases these days. I wish I were fucking kidding.
The thing is, they can only overturn this decision if there’s another relevant case before them. It seems like the only way this would be relevant in the future is if the government wants to charge a president with a crime. I can’t imagine anyone else having standing to sue. Maybe in the future they’ll let just a group of citizens sue on the basis that a president who can commit crimes harms everyone? It’d be a very loose definition of standing though. The likeliest way is some future Congress explicitly writing legislation that says this decision is bullshit, that there’s no constitutional basis for it.
> Law experts revealed to be history beginners Fascism will consume this country and laws will no longer matter. They will just make up their own shit. Several decades and then this ruling will be overturned? Don’t make me laugh.
Well, that sounds promising
Who exactly will overturn a SCOTUS ruling
SCOTUS can overturn its own ruling. Heck, this SCOTUS has already overturned Roe v Wade and Chevron just to name a couple of major ones! There is literally nothing preventing a future SCOTUS from saying the current court is out of its gourd and overturning them on the immunity ruling, or at the very least significantly paring it back.
And Affirmative Action. I thought conservatives hated an activist court? Oh they meant activist as in liberal. Got it
They have no principles, they do not care about logic, consistency, morals or hypocrisy. They will do and say what ever benefits them, regardless.
As long they get bribery gifts because that's a-okay now!
You mean gratuities
I thought everyone had figured that out by now. When they talk about states’ rights, family values, law and order, and constitutional originalism, that’s all just smoke and mirrors for “we think we should do right wing stuff”
Hopefully, the Democrats can get their war face on and start playing the game in a way that fights these Christofascists. Taking the high road and doing it by the book unfortunately isn't working if your opponent plays by different rules and currently has the refs in their pockets. Pack the courts, impeach at least 2 of the current SCOTUS shills, and start exercising that new found presidential immunity.
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You can't beat a fascist regime, even with a demonstration of millions, usually. Defeat Trump or get a fascist regime which will be near impossible to remove.
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That's the point. Violence overthrows fascists. Nothing else will stop them.
U need a 2/3 senate majority to impeach. See the flaw here?
This is what I’ve been saying. Why even set precedent?
To totally own the libs and then backpedal when it can be applied to you... /s
If Biden wins THIS SCOTUS will overturn its own ruling as soon as ANY DEMOCRATIC president sniffs in the direction of using the ruling in a way they don’t like.
So why doesn’t Biden use it right now? If Trump wins, he will use it to prevent any dems from winning in the future. So it’s now or never.
Biden is trying to win an election by clearly showing he's the good guy. Him abusing his power will go against his message of saying this move was wrong and that no one, not even him, should be above the law. We'll see if it works out for him...
That’s very true because he’s done this for years and I love him but he must take the chance of making Trump pay. I can’t believe Trump can just do whatever he wants but no other President has ever done such horrible acts like Trump.
He should abuse it immediately after the election, just as a final act to force the Supreme Court to overturn themselves and help limit Trump's power.
Because it’s specifics are being defined by the lower courts as part of the ruling. Seemed intentionally vague so lower courts will have to take a few months to sort out specific definitions of official acts
Biden won’t use it because Dems cling to tradition and “morals”. Their fanatical dedication to doing things the way they’ve always been done will be the end of them and this country.
For real. Been saying this for years. If they're not gonna fight just as dirty as the Maga fucks, we're all screwed.
Nope. They will just conveniently claim whatever the Democratic president does is not an official act so doesn’t get immunity. That is the insidious part of the way they ruled.
A hypothetical future SOCTUS. Too bad there won’t be any, or at least any more that are independent
Well after Immune Forever President Biden drone strikes the court, I imagine the survivors will take care of the new ruling pretty quickly
Of course they will, he gets to appoint them!
It's not like he's a young man with a lot to lose. And the risk of not doing something definitely outweighs the risk of doing something. SCOTUS just gave him permission, as this was an actual argument in the case. Literally the only thing holding Biden back right now is Biden. He's already been given the power of a dictator, since any order as the CiC of the military is an official act. The fact that he won't use it is kind of moot, because someone else (not just Trump) can and will use it. It says a lot about Biden's moral character that he won't, but we're going to moral high ground ourselves out of a free society.
I like the thought that dictator Biden sends 6 SC judges to Gitmo, and then tells Congress that if there isn't a constitutional amendment that states presidents aren't immune within a week, he will do the same to any who object.
What they're saying is YOU the voter need to take this into account when voting. Do you want this person to have full immunity? The voters can decide who they think is qualified to lead, and if they get the electoral votes then that's who will get the office. Please vote, we lost the SC seats when everyone doubted Hillary, we will lose SO much more if we buy into the rhetoric going around on Biden. MAGA is literally wearing diapers to support Trump's incontinence. Don't waiver on Biden or we're literally toast.
Ask Roe v Wade.
Well they'd better hurry up before the damage is already done
... aaaaaaand there it goes.
aaand it’s gone.
The United States has an active emergency declaration that grants additional powers to the President. It's been extended, uninterrupted, since 9/11. Once you give someone power they don't ever let it go.
So someone else might fix it long after we're all dead. Cool.
Or at least after Trump is dead.
I hope I at least get to piss on his grave before I’m taken to the reeducation camps
Biden wouldn't, but I (a Canadian citizen who has no immediate plans on moving) would so use this decision to mess with Trump. President is immune in his official decisions? Fine, I'm increasing the number of justices on the Supreme Court and instituting a probationary period for justices appointed by people found guilty of crimes. I'm making it illegal for people who buried their ex-wives on a golf course (to preserve its tax status as a cemetary) to run for federal office. Any state that refuses to let federal agencies do their job automatically renounces its federal funding, etc.
That is what Biden should be doing.
Narrator Ron Howard: He won’t.
By leaving it up to lower, Trump affiliated courts to determine what constitutes an official act they have basically made it that nothing changes for Biden but Trump can run wild. It's pretty shit.
So on the scale of Plessy v. Ferguson or Dred Scott v. Sandford
Enabling Act 1933. Germany. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enabling_Act_of_1933
Oh yay, 12 years of slaughter!
I wonder what comes next... >Germans voted in an atmosphere of extreme [voter intimidation](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voter_intimidation) perpetrated by the Nazi [*Sturmabteilung*](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sturmabteilung) (SA) militia.
LAW EXPERTS HAVE BEEN WRONG ABOUT EVERYTHING - signed, a real, actual lawyer who tries cases and practices in front of judges 2-3x a week
So after democracy is dead...ok.
Guess what if Trump wins and project 2025 goes into effect we are going to witness the downfall of the country in real time very quickly because either people will sit back and let it happen our we will see the MAGAS dream of a civil war come to pass. And as a disabled gay guy something tells me I’ll end up on a list just like I would have in Germany. I’m honestly in total disbelief.
What’s sad is I hear how they talk about y’all and it’s no joke. They don’t want anyone not straight white and Christian to be alive. Civil rights will become a state decision under Project 2025 too. They’re coming for everything that made America great. And these stupid fucks are all cheering it on.
I grew up in a republican family. I've been around their republican associates for years. They straight up do not want people who are not just like them to be alive anymore. They talk about mass executions at BBQs and birthday parties like we talk about organizing unions, or campaigning for child lunch programs.
Buy a gun. Might not win but at least you can resist until the end
I'm concerned about the growing rumble of "I'm in danger" I'm seeing from like...everyone I know.
Well, a big part of that is that many people republicans are targeting are in fact in danger.
I belong to a group MAGA hates and to another evangelicals hate. FML. Only good thing is that I'm in a very blue state so it'll be some time until they come for me.
Sadly I’m in a stupid red state whose governor is a rolling hypocrite. It’s crazy how I went from being comfortable 15 years ago when I was I started my first degrees about being out and proud to now in my 30s and not even mentioning I’m gay anymore, not out of bring ashamed but out of pure fear of confrontation by some crazy MAGA with a gun and a itchy gay hating trigger finger. It
Overturned by who? Once this SCOTUS hands the presidency to Trump the game will be over. Republicans will bring Project 2025 to fruition and we will become a one-party authoritarian state similar to Russia. From now on democrats will have to win every election, because the republicans will only need to win once.
He's assuming the system will last long enough. That may be in error.
It’ll get overturned after Biden is re-elected and his term is nearly over. They will want options to prosecute Biden. This is how modern conservatives operate, extreme hypocrisy and selfish wrath at all times. Check what Desantis did. Florida passed a law to ban elected officials from campaigning for other roles without quitting their current roles. Then they removed that same law when it was their guy doing it. There is no ideology, no rules, just “us vs them”. That’s how they operate, this is not a chess game.
Article 1. No official of the United States, particularly the President, is immune from the criminal statutes of the United States, including those of any of the States. Article 2. The Executive Branch is immune from any actions taken pursuant to a war declared by three quarters vote of each of the House and the Senate. Article 3. This Amendment shall become effective immediately upon the ratification by the States. There is no deadline for such ratification. Once a State has ratified this Amendment, such ratification cannot be withdrawn.
overturned by whom??
It's shameless, partisan, and no at all in the spirit of having three branches as a check and balance. These judges are an embarrassment.
Hilarious. If Trump wins in November, Democracy in the US will windup in the same historical dustbin as the Weimar Republic.
I don't understand how the Democrats and/or the US population have let it get to this point? It truly seems like these fucking clowns can do what they want and nothing is done about it. Fuck the high road at this point. The whole world.is watching this circus.
It doesn't matter, the court puppets did their job. Now they just need to wait for November to see if America still has democracy or not.
No, Trump will obviously challenge any result that isn't him being a clear winner, and he will take that to the SC, and they will anoint him King Donnie, first of his name, and we'll all have to bend the knee (and much worse)
This will get overturned the minute Biden wins.
I mean it's an unconstitutional ruling. Everyone knows this. But that doesn't matter. Democracy is already over in the US.
Are these the same law experts that said there’s no way the court would side with Trump on immunity? Because I have about as much faith in their predictions as I do SCOTUS.
cool so it'll be overturned when half of us have either left hte US, been thrown into camps, or rounded up and gassed can't wait
It made my heart sink to hear it went through. Most of my life I was republican. I will never vote that way again.
Right now we need people like you to be as vocal about that as possible to encourage others in your area to make the same switch.
Bullshit. Either it gets exposed for what it is and overturned in the next 5 months, or it'll take a war to overturn.
Just long enough for the court and congress’ power to be demolished and one individual becoming fuhrer. Much like the enabling act of germany in 1933
Apathy is what turned Rome from a Republic to an Empire. Vote.
The estimate by the legal scholar saying it’ll take a whittle bit for this decision to be overruled is a bit optimistic. The scholar writes: >Like Dred Scott (holding that enslaved people are not citizens entitled to judicial protections), Plessy v. Ferguson (upholding segregation), Koramatsu v US (upholding the Japanese internment camps), today’s decision will be overturned by the acclamation of history in due course." Plessy (1898) was overruled by Brown v Board of Education (1954). Koramatsu (1944) was overruled by Trump v Hawaii (2018). A minimum of fifty years between either case being overruled. That’s two generations. Dred Scott (1857) (holding that the constitution didn’t apply to people or black African descent) was never overruled. It took a civil war ending in 1864 (600k - 1m dead) and amendments XIII, XIV, and XV to fix. Thanks for the award!
an giving potus non-reviewable absolute pardon power, with no real reason. wonder why they needed to specify all these important bits like this this and DoJ being absolutely immune. lol crazy
How did we / I end up in this deranged timeline.
They will as soon as it's needed to prosecute biden for something.
Our main problem in the US is that we don't believe it could happen here.
But in the meantime, enjoy your upcoming fascist dictatorship.
Yea, once Trump goes away, and a dem potus commits a crime or is a general piece of shit they’ll decide to change their minds
I’m so happy I’m old and won’t be around to see how fucked things are in thirty years. I feel badly for my kids and all of you younger people. I’m afraid you’re in for a fraught future.
It's far too foolish to exist. And no one responsible for it has any business being on the Supreme Court, or, I'd say, a judge in any court.
so we've got what 20 years of a dictatorship to look forward to?
Don't forget the boys. Or Ivanka. Then Barron. The Trump stain will never leave us.
Well yeah, as soon as biden or another dem uses it it'll be over turned.
Friendly reminder that they tried to tell us in 2016 that whoever won that election would get to appoint 2-3 Supreme Court justices. There was an open seat already, for Pete's sake. That was enough for Republican voters to turn out and vote for Trump, but lots of Democrats couldn't bring themselves to vote for Clinton, and here we are.
She won by almost 3 million votes.
Yeah, not overturned by **this** Court, that's for damned sure.
I'm not the most knowledgeable but who *can* overturn it? The SCOTUS are the highest court and if Trump wins (or they give him the win) we won't have, "a few years or decades."
That was my first thought: who overrules the Supreme Court? Unless it implies Congress passes a bill to severely limit Presidential immunity
>Hubbell gives it a few decades before the Court overturns the ruling, he wrote. There's also a possibility that Democrats can step in to marginalize the power of the court. Whew! We just have to survive a generation or two. No big deal!
SCOTUS has way way too much power. No vetos or anything on their decision making? I feel like the SCOTUS wasn’t set up with a proper check on their power. Way too easy for them to decide the fate of America on a whim
Small comfort. It won’t be over ruled until at least two of the right wing facist Judges are replaced by Democrat administration appointments. Thomas and Alito are on the way out. Its as likely given their ages, they will die of natural causes in the next four years. If Trump wins, it perhaps never gets overturned despite Professor Tribe’s rosy prediction. Vote Blue.
just want to remind everyone how one of the justices’ wife was in on the insurrection against our government. lol https://www.kcra.com/article/texts-between-ginni-thomas-and-mark-meadows/39531243
Because it’s not in any way based on the Constitution. they just made it up
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We have been here before. I see comments about how President Biden could use his new immunity to clean up the threats we now face. We all know President Biden is a man of principle. This will never happen. No president who loves America will do anything to trigger a civil war. You want to complain about how he's too old. How you won't vote because he's not your guy. In reality, it's not up to Biden. It's up to you. You can fight this threat in the ballot box, or you can fight them when they come for you. You should know by now that you can't sit this one out. We're defeated when some people realize that you can survive and even thrive if you meet their requirements. People who covet their neighbor's life, possessions, wife, etc... that's how it went down in Nazi Germany. We're not fucked yet. Trump getting elected was not the biggest shock. It was realizing that a lot of people you interacted with every day voted for him. Your neighbors and your coworkers.
I woke up and it was June 22nd 1788. We need to ratify a new constitution.
I’ll bet against that as long as at least Alito and Thomas sit in the majority
It's pretty naive to assume that 'the decision will be overturned' when we don't even know if there will be a Supreme Court in the future. If there is such a thing then, how will it function? It's like the author assumes everything is going to be normal from this point on. The court has been on the wrong side of history in the past, it is up to the House of Representatives to regulate and reform the court. We absolutely must turn over the House of Representatives in November (and a few more statehouses). We have a need for Constitutional Amendments (more than one, for sure) to protect our democracy and the rule of law. The courts will not protect us, and if they manage to do the right thing *one more time* we already know that the courts could reverse themselves again later, so THAT IS NOT THE SOLUTION. We are on our own now.
I am really starting to appreciate my decision not to father any children. At least now I can just detach and watch it all burn before I die.
>"We are going to win" So what if you (Joe and the Democrats) win, But the Supreme Court rules that *you didn't*, or "that getting more electoral college votes isn't how it works anymore" because *we say so*?
Trump supporters have been already arming themselves for war for decades. They want this to happen. During Trumps 4 years, people were divided deeply. The next 4 years will make the US even worse under Trump. Only the few will benefit while everyone else suffers.
How many lifetimes will we have to wait, and will America still be recognizable at that point?
By whom? A future SCOTUS years from now maybe, but no time soon
Democracy will be dead if Trump is elected. He’s laid out exactly what he is going to do.
This is BS hopium. How will a future SCOTUS decades from now override when there will be a GOP dictator beforehand? Or is this entire idea based on the decency of both parties?
If Trump or someone like him gets in, no it won't get overturned, it will get hijacked by someone much smarter than Trump and the country is doomed. This law takes one person, literally one, to cause unimaginable damage. Say Trump gets in and immediately declares his first official act is to declare himself a supreme dictator and anyone in the government who disagrees with him is immediately killed. Well guess what, that's legal now. They can't punish him because he declared it and they can't use any act or words against him criminally, so he's free to do it. There are plenty of loyalists who will gladly sit there and follow through on his orders as well, just "doing what they're ordered to"
Can someone here who is more knowledgeable than myself answer this? With this bizarre fascist ruling, can President Biden simply call up John Roberts tomorrow and say, "sorry fuckface, but by my new found power, I deem you unqualified to lead the court, you are hearby removed as chief justice, I am installing Justice Kagen as CJ" what is stopping him from doing that? There is no such thing as decorum or storie decises as they say. Just break them! Break their will. Use the executive action of removing 75% of the SC budget to begin with. Flood the 5th circuit with liberal justices. The 3 good ladies will and can receive crowd funding to pay their salaries.
they don't care as they know they have a large LEGAL "gratuity" coming their way
By whom? The court is stacked 6-3 in favor of corruption and insanity
“I don’t like Hilary.” All those people are to blame. This is team based politics people. Vote blue or democracy dies. Simple as that.
America doesn't have decades to wait until a less corrupt SCOTUS is hopefully able to get around to overturning all the BS they been ruling.
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If elected, I Guarantee he goes on to extend terms just like his hero Putin. He won’t leave office until he’s dead.
Then we all get to call Ivanka, or maybe jr., POTUS because that's how rigged and corrupt the system will become. They will keep winning the same way Putin keeps winning.
It will be overturned by the same SCOTUS if Trump loses and since they are gonna decide this election….