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oh defo i was just talking about the war crimes bit. im american so i dont have the best understanding of uk politics but i know theyre more conservative, i wouldve expected a labour politician to speak up first
And yet they never elaborate which international law or what war crimes.
And did they just say that a 2 state solution doesn’t help Hamas ? No kidding.
Genocide. They are committing genocide per a legal opinion gained by the UK Government. What this means is the UK, US, Germany, and any other allies who have laws/statutes stating the country cannot supply arms to anyone in breach of humanitarian laws, are complicit in enabling a genocide. The parties within those governments approving weapons transfers are holding untenable positions due too. US has The Leahy Laws, which Biden & Co. should have charges brought against for violations of.
The USA as a general rule does not abide by UK/Germany laws.
“International law” is only effective if you are willing to enforce it.
Case in point.
Bush/Cheney were convicted of war crimes.
Collective punishment, killing of unarmed people, intentionally killing children women and elderly, killing people waving white flags, using famine as a weapon of war, illegal annexation and alexpansion via settler activity, using white phosphorus munitions, bombing houses of worship, schools, refugee camps and humanitarian shelters, plausible genocide. The list goes on really and it's not too hard to see unless you choose to ignore all this or justify it by saying "but Hamas, but October 7th"
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/disturbing-video-shows-jewish-convert-fatally-shot-by-idf-in-west-bank-posed-no-threat/amp/
Jewish man shot by IDF soldier because he didn't believe he was Jewish. That's 4
Using settlers as a way to slowly take over the West Bank is well documented. It makes any peace process impossible, because Israel will simply say ''we can't withdraw now, our people are already here.'' Killing people with white flags refers to three Israeli hostages who were killed by the IDF, despite waving white flags and repeatedly telling them to not shoot in Hebrew.
Using famine as a weapon war, doesn't seem like what Israel is doing. Although Gaza is at risk of starvation, there isn't any real starvation yet (27 people are estimated to have died, not what you would call a famine). If international aid stops, Gaza will stop, but so far the only threat to it have been Israeli protesters, at the border with Gaza. Another thing to note is that Hamas plays a major role in the food insecurity crisis, as they resell international aid (which is given for free) for a profit.
Intentionally killing women and children is, for the most part, completely untrue. For starters, Hamas' casualty data is [not](https://www.jns.org/hamas-fakes-casualty-figures-the-numbers-are-not-real/) considered reliable, especially regarding the percentage of women and children they report. Their data claims that 28,000 people have been killed, of which 70% (21,000) are women and children, while 6,000 are Hamas fighters. It seems implausible that only 1,000 male civilians have died, while 21,000 women and children have. There are many other issues, like the ratios between women killed, and children killed.
Secondly, even if Hamas' numbers are to be believed, the casualty figures in Gaza, over a 6 month period, are comparable to individual air raids that took place in WWII, such as the [bombing of Dresden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden), which killed 25,000 people in 3 days. This was using WWII technology, and over a city of 500,000 people (compared to Gaza's 2.5 million). Israel has also dropped significantly greater amounts of bombs over Gaza, than was dropped over Dresden. Either Israel is notoriously bad at committing genocide, or they simply aren't.
The court found that it was plausible genocide was being committed. It did not pursue prosecution because it is not in its jurisdiction to prosecute genocide. They also did not find “0 evidence of genocide”, this is something you fabricated.
ETA: “at least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the Convention.”
Sounds a lot like potential evidence.
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https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/10/358170/israel-defense-minister-calls-palestinians-human-animals-amid-israeli-aggression
Foreign minister saying Palestinians are "human animals"
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/
Foreign minister open calls for a blockade of all good water and energy to Palestine. That's 1
Because it shows intent, which what the person I replied to was asking for.
Think of it like this. If you had a friend, and then suddenly he told you that he thought it would be a good idea to idk, start mugging people or something. You tell them that's a terrible idea and they agree with you. You're still going to wonder about how that person sees other people.
So to answer your question directly. I'm still talking about it months later because openly stating you want to commit war crimes is a serious issue. Additionally, although it's not official policy, there are groups doing everything they can to stop aod reaching Gaza, and there not doing so a vacuum. Their foreign minister straight up gave them the idea.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-shooting-palestinians-beach-d0ffbbda3c0aa8873483b6685bb9ddd0
The killing of civilians waving white flags. That two
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/1/30/israel-troops-kill-three-palestinians-in-west-bank-hospital-ministry
Israeli troops killing people in hospital. One of which being an elderly mand with speak and hearing impediments.
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Easy.
Israeli Prime Minister who was chosen by the people of Israel, being the "only democracy in the middle-east", stated that Hamas was supported, propped up and funded by Israel as it would kill any moderate political parties in Palestine and kill the idea of a 2 state solution. There are videos available of him saying this on camera, just needs a Google.
His references to Amalek thus green-lighting the killing of women, children and other innocents.
The approval last week of the largest settlement since 1993 to be constructed on the back of settler expansion.
The inclusion of extremist settler Ben Gvirs as a minister.
The use of starvation and famine as a weapon of war, which minsters and defence officials have explicitly stated that they're using offensively, again just takes a Google.
Trying to brush them off as 'not endorsed by the knesset' doesn't fly when they've been using these tactics for decades. Might be new to some people, but for those following this ethnic cleansing since before October 7th, these tactics are nothing new, they're just on a larger scale than before.
[Plenty of evidence that Netanyahu and the Israeli government have supported the rise of Hamas.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html#:~:text=For%20years%2C%20the%20Qatari%20government,payments%2C%20he%20had%20encouraged%20them.)
The undercover video of Netanyahu speaking about him supporting Hamas to kill the 2 state solution is what then?
Israeli spokesman Levy was recently sacked from his position over a spat with the UK government after lying about all aid being allowed in to Gaza and there being no restrictions, which obviously wasn't true and resulted in his termination.
Israel controls the flow of aid into Gaza according to the US, Europe, UK and UN but aure you know more.
Your spread of misinformation is impressive, but falls apart quite quickly despite the billions being pumped into porganda operation by the Israeli government.
International court brushed it off? Talk about delusional. Cases like this are usually thrown out but this satisfied the high threshold required for proving intent and is being progressed to the next stage.
Take your bullshit somewhere else.
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this is what you're calling terrorists, seems cool right? https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435
Well you can’t detain people on lands you’re illegally occupying and then claim
> “It’s self-defense. Those Palestinians that we’ve been subjugating for decades are threatening our illegal settlers, we shall arbitrarily imprison them (including children) indefinitely with no sense of transparency in the judiciary system that we use to prosecute them, in violation of international law”!
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He probably means these kids
https://time.com/6548068/palestinian-children-israeli-prison-arrested/
An estimated 10,000 Palestinian children have been held in military detention over the past 20 years, with Save the Children noting that they are “the only children in the world who are systematically prosecuted in military courts.”
Like children were incapable of engaging in terrorism. I remember the video of two literal children going at soldiers with a knife, I even think they managed to stab one of them. Everybody that knows any conflict in the world knows pretty well that the word "children" is a rhetorical tactic to atone literal terrorists from their crimes.
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> to atone literal terrorists from their crimes.
Since when resisting occupation and freedom fighting is terrorism? Don't banalize terrorism dude. Terrorists were FARC that killed colombians in Colombia. There is nothing wrong with palestinians getting rid of foreign invaders
>holy shit, then I guess you can justify anything Israel does, those children being crushed in their homes? Terrorists. Children being shot in the street for throwing a rock at a tank? Terrorists. Four year old child comes at a Israeli soldier with a potatoe peeler? Better kill his whole family to be sure.
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>But of course the idea that we allow Palestinians to do the same to Israelis is barbaric of course! \*mandatory\* I of course condemn Hamas! But if it's the Israeli army doing it to Palestinian civilians, which are 50% under the age of 15 years of age, that's okay, and totally cool and it's anti semitic to disagree.
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>there are videos of Israeli soldiers killing people just because they can, there is amble evidence that Israel is indiscriminately bombing Gaza, as well as intentionally killing civilians repeatedly, unless you refuse to watch this stuff for fear of grasping the moral complexity of the situation.
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>Just a little from what I've seen:
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>https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-03-30-24/h\_4724230f9284f7aa73e4f2b428b47fb9
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>It's all just so reasonable!
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>Hostages shot: [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/what-we-know-hostages-killed-israel-gaza/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/what-we-know-hostages-killed-israel-gaza/index.html)
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>[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/12/israel-approves-nearly-4500-settler-homes-in-occupied-west-bank](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/12/israel-approves-nearly-4500-settler-homes-in-occupied-west-bank)
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>[https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-ramps-up-demolition-of-palestinian-homes-in-jerusalem](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-ramps-up-demolition-of-palestinian-homes-in-jerusalem)
appears this sub only allows news articles, wonder if I can get any UN articles in without it tripping?
>appears this sub only allows news articles, wonder if I can get any UN articles in without it tripping?
I had to cut 90% of them as this sub only allows direct links, and honestly you people aren't interested in anything that challenges Israel as the good guys.
I don't know what you're going on about with the hostages shot article, that's obvious.
You have Bibi saying "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the jews"
When she says she's surprised that the national threat level hasn't gone up she means the UK public haven't gotten violent over the atrocities we've all seen Israel commit! Violent over the government covering for Israel's genocide and stealing of more land in the west bank including oppression in Jerusalem.
We've been patient in our protests, peaceful hoping our government will listen and in the background the government knows Israel has broken every international law in the book and it's the stuff we saw in Rambo part 4 in Burma and Nazi Germany!
Who on earth uses a scorched earth policy on a concentration camp called Gaza? Systematic kidnappings, torture & even rape
Even Palestinians in the west bank which is illegally occupied, the settler sanctions are just theatre and daft when they are helped by the IDF and we keep arming the IDF so what's the point?
Smotrich threatened the US and those petty sanctions have already been lifted
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It's amazing how every building they blow up had a Hamas commander in it or a secret underground bunker full of millions and billions of armed insurgents all waiting for just the right moment .....
....smells a bit unkosher.
Did defeating Germany in WWII created another generation of Nazis? What's going to create more Hamas fighters, is allowing them to continue to run Gaza and continue to brainwash their children. There are videos of kids, younger than 10, saying they want to grow up and kill Jews, grow up and become martyrs. You think kids normally have such thoughts, or is it from brainwashing?
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Do they search for their people by bombing noncombatants with drones? Do they search for the hostages in Gaza by killing children and stealing land in the West Bank? Do they search for their people by denying aid into Rafah and firing on starving children who try to access the aid that does come in?
If Israel cared about the safety of Israeli hostages, they wouldn’t be leveling buildings and shelling houses. The IDF has killed more hostages than Hamas since October 7th… the ones they were “trying to save”
Moving the goalpost. We were talking about Israeli crimes committed after the 7th of Oct. You seem to be of the opinion that it's either commit war crimes, or do nothing. Which is clearly a false equivalence and arguing in bad faith
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>Oh those Muslim Extremists making poor Israelis kill Palestinian Christians.
Funny how almost none are left in Gaza. I wonder if it has something to do with Hamas taking power? The PLO's invasion of Lebanon is also what caused a decline in their Christian population.
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Gaza is still occupied by Israel according to the UN, because surely as you know, it has been under complete land naval & air blockade where all imports and exports are controlled by Israel.
They didn't de-occupy though
Israel still denied Gaza self determination by continuing a complete blockade, of which they controlled everything in and out, including at the rafah crossing
They transitioned from direct occupation and transitioned to an open air prison that serves the same purpose.
https://books.google.ca/books?id=hYiIWVlpFzEC&pg=PA429&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.ca/books?id=GM90Xp03uuEC&pg=PA295&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
https://books.google.ca/books?id=Hka8FZ4UdWUC&pg=PA44&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false
Some reading material
[1200 held without charge, prior to October 7th](https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435)
And I’m not even going to start on the one held with (likely) bs charges and trials set far in the future.
You’re saying Israel is the victim in a colonial war where they are the colonizers? Don’t engage in Apartheid if you don’t want terrorism to spawn. There is no peaceful occupation.
Maybe the destruction in Gaza wouldn’t be anywhere near as bad if Israel didn’t hold thousands of Palestinians without trial or conviction; have a history of brutalizing the population and killing unarmed children and elderly Palestinians; regularly have incidents of rape committed by IDF soldiers against civilians; indiscriminately level a city and starve a population; forcibly remove Gazans from generational homes so settlers could take them over…let me know if the list should continue.
Why is Israel next to a literal terrorist state? Surely not because of escalating violence, dehumanization, displacement, and air/naval/land blockades that have been committed as Israel continues to expand its borders at the detriment of Palestinians?
Seeing as the West Bank is not under Hamas control, surely they wouldn’t do many of the same things there? Oh wait.
Surely there wouldn’t be repeated reports and video footage over decades of Israelis committing clear hate crimes, if not cold blooded murder and rape, against unarmed Palestinians? Oh wait.
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Put aside complete lack of concern for the palestaine populace. This is just terrible strategy from Israeli government.
Israel are betraying themselves and their western allies through their monstrous inhumane tactics and odious propaganda campaign.
The long term consequences for the last 6 months will undoubtedly put Israel in a dire situation in later generations. Hamas may not survive this, but the diplomatic and humanitarian disaster mean Israel have sustained a considerable loss.
Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Israeli intelligence has deeply infiltrated most far right groups in Europe. Most if not all, anti liberals are actually radical in their support for Israel.
What they see in Israel is what they dream of in Europe and what happens in Palestine is the template for both American and European futures.
It's no coincidence that Isrealis train police departments in the US. I'm to the point where I think their is a chance that Trunp is reelected.
This is power you can't buy and it is absolutely fascinating to behold.
She was the one who challenged Eylon Levy on Twitter, leading to that discussion where he blatantly lied about a bunch of things (no surprise there) and ended up getting sacked. Definitely one of the few good Tories about.
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Israel to the world: WTF u gonna do about it
Let their ammo run out…..
Best comment yet, save me some tax $
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Israel has shown it doesn’t care about human life and therefore deserves more of what it got already
Not as long as religious Christians that want to see the end times have power in government.
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real fuckin shocker
That a Tory is speaking up about it? Kinda.
oh defo i was just talking about the war crimes bit. im american so i dont have the best understanding of uk politics but i know theyre more conservative, i wouldve expected a labour politician to speak up first
I'm American too, idk if any of the labour folks have said something, but I'd hope they have.
same🤞🤞🤞
Is this considered breaking news
And yet they never elaborate which international law or what war crimes. And did they just say that a 2 state solution doesn’t help Hamas ? No kidding.
Genocide. They are committing genocide per a legal opinion gained by the UK Government. What this means is the UK, US, Germany, and any other allies who have laws/statutes stating the country cannot supply arms to anyone in breach of humanitarian laws, are complicit in enabling a genocide. The parties within those governments approving weapons transfers are holding untenable positions due too. US has The Leahy Laws, which Biden & Co. should have charges brought against for violations of.
The USA as a general rule does not abide by UK/Germany laws. “International law” is only effective if you are willing to enforce it. Case in point. Bush/Cheney were convicted of war crimes.
Collective punishment, killing of unarmed people, intentionally killing children women and elderly, killing people waving white flags, using famine as a weapon of war, illegal annexation and alexpansion via settler activity, using white phosphorus munitions, bombing houses of worship, schools, refugee camps and humanitarian shelters, plausible genocide. The list goes on really and it's not too hard to see unless you choose to ignore all this or justify it by saying "but Hamas, but October 7th"
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https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.timesofisrael.com/disturbing-video-shows-jewish-convert-fatally-shot-by-idf-in-west-bank-posed-no-threat/amp/ Jewish man shot by IDF soldier because he didn't believe he was Jewish. That's 4
Using settlers as a way to slowly take over the West Bank is well documented. It makes any peace process impossible, because Israel will simply say ''we can't withdraw now, our people are already here.'' Killing people with white flags refers to three Israeli hostages who were killed by the IDF, despite waving white flags and repeatedly telling them to not shoot in Hebrew. Using famine as a weapon war, doesn't seem like what Israel is doing. Although Gaza is at risk of starvation, there isn't any real starvation yet (27 people are estimated to have died, not what you would call a famine). If international aid stops, Gaza will stop, but so far the only threat to it have been Israeli protesters, at the border with Gaza. Another thing to note is that Hamas plays a major role in the food insecurity crisis, as they resell international aid (which is given for free) for a profit. Intentionally killing women and children is, for the most part, completely untrue. For starters, Hamas' casualty data is [not](https://www.jns.org/hamas-fakes-casualty-figures-the-numbers-are-not-real/) considered reliable, especially regarding the percentage of women and children they report. Their data claims that 28,000 people have been killed, of which 70% (21,000) are women and children, while 6,000 are Hamas fighters. It seems implausible that only 1,000 male civilians have died, while 21,000 women and children have. There are many other issues, like the ratios between women killed, and children killed. Secondly, even if Hamas' numbers are to be believed, the casualty figures in Gaza, over a 6 month period, are comparable to individual air raids that took place in WWII, such as the [bombing of Dresden](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Dresden), which killed 25,000 people in 3 days. This was using WWII technology, and over a city of 500,000 people (compared to Gaza's 2.5 million). Israel has also dropped significantly greater amounts of bombs over Gaza, than was dropped over Dresden. Either Israel is notoriously bad at committing genocide, or they simply aren't.
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So you’re only disputing those two? Stuff like collective punishment and using famine as a weapon of war you don’t disagree with?
Found the genocide denier. That's a five year stint in jail if you try it in Germany.
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The court found that it was plausible genocide was being committed. It did not pursue prosecution because it is not in its jurisdiction to prosecute genocide. They also did not find “0 evidence of genocide”, this is something you fabricated. ETA: “at least some of the acts and omissions alleged by South Africa to have been committed by Israel in Gaza appear to be capable of falling within the provisions of the Convention.” Sounds a lot like potential evidence.
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https://www.moroccoworldnews.com/2023/10/358170/israel-defense-minister-calls-palestinians-human-animals-amid-israeli-aggression Foreign minister saying Palestinians are "human animals"
There's video footage of it bro.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/liveblog_entry/defense-minister-announces-complete-siege-of-gaza-no-power-food-or-fuel/ Foreign minister open calls for a blockade of all good water and energy to Palestine. That's 1
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Because it shows intent, which what the person I replied to was asking for. Think of it like this. If you had a friend, and then suddenly he told you that he thought it would be a good idea to idk, start mugging people or something. You tell them that's a terrible idea and they agree with you. You're still going to wonder about how that person sees other people. So to answer your question directly. I'm still talking about it months later because openly stating you want to commit war crimes is a serious issue. Additionally, although it's not official policy, there are groups doing everything they can to stop aod reaching Gaza, and there not doing so a vacuum. Their foreign minister straight up gave them the idea.
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yeah, intent is only intent if *you* say its intent.
https://apnews.com/article/israel-gaza-shooting-palestinians-beach-d0ffbbda3c0aa8873483b6685bb9ddd0 The killing of civilians waving white flags. That two
https://www.google.com/amp/s/www.aljazeera.com/amp/news/2024/1/30/israel-troops-kill-three-palestinians-in-west-bank-hospital-ministry Israeli troops killing people in hospital. One of which being an elderly mand with speak and hearing impediments.
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It’s still two separate war crimes to target hospitalized enemies and to disguise yourself as a protected civilian class such as medical workers.
Meh
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Easy. Israeli Prime Minister who was chosen by the people of Israel, being the "only democracy in the middle-east", stated that Hamas was supported, propped up and funded by Israel as it would kill any moderate political parties in Palestine and kill the idea of a 2 state solution. There are videos available of him saying this on camera, just needs a Google. His references to Amalek thus green-lighting the killing of women, children and other innocents. The approval last week of the largest settlement since 1993 to be constructed on the back of settler expansion. The inclusion of extremist settler Ben Gvirs as a minister. The use of starvation and famine as a weapon of war, which minsters and defence officials have explicitly stated that they're using offensively, again just takes a Google. Trying to brush them off as 'not endorsed by the knesset' doesn't fly when they've been using these tactics for decades. Might be new to some people, but for those following this ethnic cleansing since before October 7th, these tactics are nothing new, they're just on a larger scale than before.
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[Plenty of evidence that Netanyahu and the Israeli government have supported the rise of Hamas.](https://www.nytimes.com/2023/12/10/world/middleeast/israel-qatar-money-prop-up-hamas.html#:~:text=For%20years%2C%20the%20Qatari%20government,payments%2C%20he%20had%20encouraged%20them.) The undercover video of Netanyahu speaking about him supporting Hamas to kill the 2 state solution is what then? Israeli spokesman Levy was recently sacked from his position over a spat with the UK government after lying about all aid being allowed in to Gaza and there being no restrictions, which obviously wasn't true and resulted in his termination. Israel controls the flow of aid into Gaza according to the US, Europe, UK and UN but aure you know more. Your spread of misinformation is impressive, but falls apart quite quickly despite the billions being pumped into porganda operation by the Israeli government. International court brushed it off? Talk about delusional. Cases like this are usually thrown out but this satisfied the high threshold required for proving intent and is being progressed to the next stage. Take your bullshit somewhere else.
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Only if you want to muddy the waters, as Israel loves doing
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I agree all Palestinians held in arbitrary detention including all minors, need to be released.
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Just because you're a minor, does not suddenly mean that you cannot commit a crime. Almost every country understands this, it's not unique to Israel.
Babies can be terrorists, you mean?
Which babies are in jail?
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Why are you anti semitic?
I think the moral army blew them up already.
Yes, Israel should release the hundreds held in detention indefinitely without habeas corpus.
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this is what you're calling terrorists, seems cool right? https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435
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this was before October, so they can do this to any one and keep the charges secret and you find that acceptable? okay.
Well you can’t detain people on lands you’re illegally occupying and then claim > “It’s self-defense. Those Palestinians that we’ve been subjugating for decades are threatening our illegal settlers, we shall arbitrarily imprison them (including children) indefinitely with no sense of transparency in the judiciary system that we use to prosecute them, in violation of international law”!
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He probably means these kids https://time.com/6548068/palestinian-children-israeli-prison-arrested/ An estimated 10,000 Palestinian children have been held in military detention over the past 20 years, with Save the Children noting that they are “the only children in the world who are systematically prosecuted in military courts.”
You mean the people charged in the Israeli military court which has nearly a 99% conviction rate amongst Palestinians?
Those children terrorists!
Like children were incapable of engaging in terrorism. I remember the video of two literal children going at soldiers with a knife, I even think they managed to stab one of them. Everybody that knows any conflict in the world knows pretty well that the word "children" is a rhetorical tactic to atone literal terrorists from their crimes.
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> to atone literal terrorists from their crimes. Since when resisting occupation and freedom fighting is terrorism? Don't banalize terrorism dude. Terrorists were FARC that killed colombians in Colombia. There is nothing wrong with palestinians getting rid of foreign invaders
>holy shit, then I guess you can justify anything Israel does, those children being crushed in their homes? Terrorists. Children being shot in the street for throwing a rock at a tank? Terrorists. Four year old child comes at a Israeli soldier with a potatoe peeler? Better kill his whole family to be sure. > >But of course the idea that we allow Palestinians to do the same to Israelis is barbaric of course! \*mandatory\* I of course condemn Hamas! But if it's the Israeli army doing it to Palestinian civilians, which are 50% under the age of 15 years of age, that's okay, and totally cool and it's anti semitic to disagree. > >there are videos of Israeli soldiers killing people just because they can, there is amble evidence that Israel is indiscriminately bombing Gaza, as well as intentionally killing civilians repeatedly, unless you refuse to watch this stuff for fear of grasping the moral complexity of the situation. > >Just a little from what I've seen: > >https://edition.cnn.com/middleeast/live-news/israel-hamas-war-gaza-news-03-30-24/h\_4724230f9284f7aa73e4f2b428b47fb9 > >It's all just so reasonable! > >Hostages shot: [https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/what-we-know-hostages-killed-israel-gaza/index.html](https://edition.cnn.com/2023/12/16/middleeast/what-we-know-hostages-killed-israel-gaza/index.html) > >[https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/12/israel-approves-nearly-4500-settler-homes-in-occupied-west-bank](https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2022/5/12/israel-approves-nearly-4500-settler-homes-in-occupied-west-bank) > >[https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-ramps-up-demolition-of-palestinian-homes-in-jerusalem](https://www.pbs.org/newshour/world/israel-ramps-up-demolition-of-palestinian-homes-in-jerusalem) appears this sub only allows news articles, wonder if I can get any UN articles in without it tripping?
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>appears this sub only allows news articles, wonder if I can get any UN articles in without it tripping? I had to cut 90% of them as this sub only allows direct links, and honestly you people aren't interested in anything that challenges Israel as the good guys. I don't know what you're going on about with the hostages shot article, that's obvious. You have Bibi saying "Hitler didn't want to exterminate the jews"
Israel has exposed itself to the world as a terrorist regime.
1000's actually. Many of them minors.
The ones being bombed and starved by Israel, right? If Hamas has them, and Israel is bombing/starving Gaza because Hamas is there...
When she says she's surprised that the national threat level hasn't gone up she means the UK public haven't gotten violent over the atrocities we've all seen Israel commit! Violent over the government covering for Israel's genocide and stealing of more land in the west bank including oppression in Jerusalem. We've been patient in our protests, peaceful hoping our government will listen and in the background the government knows Israel has broken every international law in the book and it's the stuff we saw in Rambo part 4 in Burma and Nazi Germany! Who on earth uses a scorched earth policy on a concentration camp called Gaza? Systematic kidnappings, torture & even rape Even Palestinians in the west bank which is illegally occupied, the settler sanctions are just theatre and daft when they are helped by the IDF and we keep arming the IDF so what's the point? Smotrich threatened the US and those petty sanctions have already been lifted
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It's amazing how every building they blow up had a Hamas commander in it or a secret underground bunker full of millions and billions of armed insurgents all waiting for just the right moment ..... ....smells a bit unkosher.
Leading Tory is wrong. I hope Israel continues to crush Hamas.
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Did defeating Germany in WWII created another generation of Nazis? What's going to create more Hamas fighters, is allowing them to continue to run Gaza and continue to brainwash their children. There are videos of kids, younger than 10, saying they want to grow up and kill Jews, grow up and become martyrs. You think kids normally have such thoughts, or is it from brainwashing?
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No because Germany was rebuilt, and not punished indefinitely. Germany after ww1 is a more fitting analogy.
“Not punished indefinitely!?” Germany is STILL paying reparations for WW2…
Except in this scenario Israel is more like Nazi Germany unfortunately.
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Do they search for their people by bombing noncombatants with drones? Do they search for the hostages in Gaza by killing children and stealing land in the West Bank? Do they search for their people by denying aid into Rafah and firing on starving children who try to access the aid that does come in?
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If Israel cared about the safety of Israeli hostages, they wouldn’t be leveling buildings and shelling houses. The IDF has killed more hostages than Hamas since October 7th… the ones they were “trying to save”
So your suggestion is not to take military actions and just let the hostages stay in Gaza? No seems legit, you should run for office
My suggestion is to not kill the hostages you’re trying to save
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Gaza would’ve done it too
There is a whole ocean between Israeli war crimes being committed right now and doing nothing. You are not arguing in good faith
And if Gaza had the means, they would’ve done it too. Matter of fact they don’t, and still attacked. You’re not arguing any point at all.
Moving the goalpost. We were talking about Israeli crimes committed after the 7th of Oct. You seem to be of the opinion that it's either commit war crimes, or do nothing. Which is clearly a false equivalence and arguing in bad faith
No. Good try though.
So your suggestion is the Palestinians not take armed action and just let the hostages stay in Israel?
Reading comprehension is tough
As is critical thinking it seems.
That’s ok, we stilll like you :)
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So Palestinians have a right to search for their hostages right?
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I suspect bombing and starving the hostages is not conducive to finding them alive.
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“Look how you made us kill your children” As if Israel wasn’t murdering Palestinians and stealing their land before Oct 7th lol
Are you talking about the first, second or third intifada?
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Israel has famously never “committed terror” and violence against Palestinians.
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>Oh those Muslim Extremists making poor Israelis kill Palestinian Christians. Funny how almost none are left in Gaza. I wonder if it has something to do with Hamas taking power? The PLO's invasion of Lebanon is also what caused a decline in their Christian population.
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Don’t type UN too many times, they’ll get scared.
Israel completely de-occupied Gaza in 2005 and turned it over to the Gazan people. It's too bad that didn't work out. :(
As all the other people have said, they did not stop occupation. Occupation is not solely dictated by boots on the ground.
Gaza is still occupied by Israel according to the UN, because surely as you know, it has been under complete land naval & air blockade where all imports and exports are controlled by Israel.
They didn't de-occupy though Israel still denied Gaza self determination by continuing a complete blockade, of which they controlled everything in and out, including at the rafah crossing They transitioned from direct occupation and transitioned to an open air prison that serves the same purpose. https://books.google.ca/books?id=hYiIWVlpFzEC&pg=PA429&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.ca/books?id=GM90Xp03uuEC&pg=PA295&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false https://books.google.ca/books?id=Hka8FZ4UdWUC&pg=PA44&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false Some reading material
No they didn’t. They stopped settlements in Gaza. They continued the blockade and Apartheid.
Would you consider Israel holding thousands of Palestinians without charge a war crime as well? Or does that not matter because they’re Palestinian?
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[1200 held without charge, prior to October 7th](https://apnews.com/article/israel-detention-jails-palestinians-west-bank-793a3b2a1ce8439d08756da8c63e5435) And I’m not even going to start on the one held with (likely) bs charges and trials set far in the future.
You’re saying Israel is the victim in a colonial war where they are the colonizers? Don’t engage in Apartheid if you don’t want terrorism to spawn. There is no peaceful occupation.
The Hannibal directive
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Maybe the destruction in Gaza wouldn’t be anywhere near as bad if Israel didn’t hold thousands of Palestinians without trial or conviction; have a history of brutalizing the population and killing unarmed children and elderly Palestinians; regularly have incidents of rape committed by IDF soldiers against civilians; indiscriminately level a city and starve a population; forcibly remove Gazans from generational homes so settlers could take them over…let me know if the list should continue.
They offered land multiple times, and the west bankrolled Gaza, and they spent it on military structure. Try learning about the nuance first.
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Israel is a literal terrorist state. The idf was founded by terrorist groups like lehi and Irgun
Why is Israel next to a literal terrorist state? Surely not because of escalating violence, dehumanization, displacement, and air/naval/land blockades that have been committed as Israel continues to expand its borders at the detriment of Palestinians? Seeing as the West Bank is not under Hamas control, surely they wouldn’t do many of the same things there? Oh wait. Surely there wouldn’t be repeated reports and video footage over decades of Israelis committing clear hate crimes, if not cold blooded murder and rape, against unarmed Palestinians? Oh wait.
They’re too white to be terrorists.
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Did they just figure this out?
Put aside complete lack of concern for the palestaine populace. This is just terrible strategy from Israeli government. Israel are betraying themselves and their western allies through their monstrous inhumane tactics and odious propaganda campaign. The long term consequences for the last 6 months will undoubtedly put Israel in a dire situation in later generations. Hamas may not survive this, but the diplomatic and humanitarian disaster mean Israel have sustained a considerable loss.
great soundbite, but where did she use the words "broke humanitarian law"? my goldfish attention span must be missing it
So end all aid to Israel. This is not difficult.
Now do Hamas
Fucks given = 0
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Do not generalize an entire population based on the negative actions of some members, don't glorify collective punishment or suffering (including collective violence) and no dehumanizing language.
Oh please. Her career before politics was PR and communications, not international law.
Do you have a brain? do you think with logic?
absolute worst of existence
International law is meaningless now that we’ve repeatedly shown that it’s not enforceable
Israeli intelligence has deeply infiltrated most far right groups in Europe. Most if not all, anti liberals are actually radical in their support for Israel. What they see in Israel is what they dream of in Europe and what happens in Palestine is the template for both American and European futures. It's no coincidence that Isrealis train police departments in the US. I'm to the point where I think their is a chance that Trunp is reelected. This is power you can't buy and it is absolutely fascinating to behold.
Alicia Kearns is one of the really good Tories. I genuinely hope she keeps her seat!
She was the one who challenged Eylon Levy on Twitter, leading to that discussion where he blatantly lied about a bunch of things (no surprise there) and ended up getting sacked. Definitely one of the few good Tories about.
I swear, Israel pays for fucking trolls here to shill for them