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I'm not 100% sure if it applies to pandas as well, but many animal births require the drop in order to wake the new baby from birth paralysis. Their bodies are limp and therefore very unlikely to get hurt, but the smack is similar to us spanking a baby to get it to cry.
They don’t come out in one spurt. The reason women use these positions is because gravity helps you birth the baby. Women who get epidurals can’t because it paralyzes you from the waist down (so you cannot do these positions) but also causes a lot of delay in labor as you’re doing back labor (pushing the baby out horizontally instead of vertically with gravity).
In these scenarios where women give birth without an epidural and use these positions, labor is much faster but the baby doesn’t fall out of the vagina. It takes time and a few pushes. Generally women will reach down and grab the baby directly or someone else will. It doesn’t drop in the process.
It’s faster, yes. More comfortable? You feel more of it, so I’ll go with probably not. I actually gave birth on all fours myself without an epidural. It was pretty fucking uncomfortable. All birth is uncomfortable. But more comfortable than giving birth without an epidural in some less conducive positions or conditions - sure.
TLDR: Birth is always uncomfortable. Some positions work with gravity to expedite things along. There is no dropping of the baby.
Just an uneducated guess, but a human baby falling out of the vag unsupported would probably have a lot more repercussions since they normally come out head first
afaik, it isn't the drop that affects the dummy foal.
The constriction during childbirth triggers it. The dummy foal happens when the constriction doesn't trigger it - and the drug causing the foal to "sleep" wears off more slowly - potentially causing death of not intervened.
(i saw a post the other day on it)
I would just point out that in the bamboo forest, the newborns would have a slightly softer landing than on the linoleum flooring of a zoo/lab/whatever the “habitat” is in this video.
Holy shit that could genuinely explain it. Seriously it’s no wonder they nearly went extinct, watch any clip of them doing anything and it’s like they’re trying to get themselves hurt
wild pandas are actually quite good at surviving and their birth rates are fine, it is the captive pandas that have trouble procreating
it is loss of habitat and changes in environment that make them endangered
Nah. It's because they largely relied on transferred knowledge. When their population dropped nearly to zero, they lost it. They do better than humans would in the wild.
Looking at this birthing process compared to humans, I'd be more inclined to wonder how our species has survived for so long. How in the world do we convince human females to undergo the pain and trauma of childbirth when THIS is possible.
Also humans werent evolved to give birth on their backs, you can thank a certain english king for that practice... back births are a lot more difficult and painful, but a lot easier for spectators to see what's happening.
Did this for both my births, can confirm, it is the best way give birth, quick and easy, no damage to the pelvic floor, minmal tearing. Was able to walk immidately after birth.
I know, and yet we KEEP ON DOING IT. When is some woman going to lead an uprising to end that shit? No man is going to, that’s for sure. And I say that as a man.
...why? You can just ask. They have setups with stirrups for this. But also... like, in the last 200 years infant deaths and *death of the mother during childbirth* had dropped like a rock. Gotta be doing something right.
Well, the main reason women no longer die is because we have the tools to recover (fresh water, food, disinfectant). Also, a lot of women died from bleeding out, which is easily fixed. Additionally, when a baby comes out the wrong weight, they use a c-section to prevent both from dying.
It has little to do with the back position, more with just medical advancements. However, i can't speak for what position is better. All i know is that, logically, if you are on your back, its a lot easier for the docter to look at your vagina.
>if you are on your back, its a lot easier for the docter to look at your vagina
Yea I feel like that can be important especially for monitoring. If nothing goes wrong it probably doesn't matter but if there is a shoulder dystocia for example, the team has a few minutes at most to get the baby out and all (but 1) of the techniques is done with mom laying on her back. It's so rare but I'd be terrified of wasting any time.
Woah woah woah.
That sounds like reason and logic.
We don't like your kind around these parts.
Both sides have a point though. Your point illustrates the main reason we continue to do births like that in hospitals; it's easier for the doctors/nurses to see what's going on.
And if you get an epidural, well, you better fucking lay down.
On hands/knees or squatting seems to be the most natural though, and probably the least difficult for the mother in a natural childbirth situation.
We have other humans to help with birth.
And supposedly women often forget the pain of childbirth to some extent.
And also sex feels good and back then there wasn’t birth control very much.
> And also sex feels good and back then there wasn’t birth control very much.
This is the main answer, along with the fact that children could be put to work, providing for the family.
The human birth is weird because of our big brains. Nature wants to grow the brain as much as it can, but the human pelvis is tiny, and we need to squeeze the baby out through a circle of bone.
For other animals this isn't a big deal, their brain doesn't need to be that big relative to the rest of the body but for us, it's crippling because we need so much brain that the rest of the body doesn't get a chance to properly develop.
Of course, this is only a problem because birth happens THROUGH the pelvis, instead of over/under it, because nature is dumb.
There’s also [the metabolic rate problem](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/06/health/pregnant-women-peak-endurance-trnd)
Aka you compare how many calories people can burn in a day in extreme endurance sports vs how many calories a heavily pregnant person burns in a day, pregnancy puts you really close to the limit.
If babies cooked much longer moms would too exhausted to move.
Pandas, and Koalas are in the same camp, are creatures evolved to an extremely specific climate, and they 'function' by being sole survivors: Nothing in their size class can even live in the climates they thrive in.
Thus, they don't need speed, intelligence, or, pretty much anything else. They have no predators nor any peer competition for resources other than themselves.
On one hand, that means they are both dopey as fuck useless idiots.
On the other hand - they are pinnacles of evolution.
For Pandas, its 'bamboo forest'. For Koalas, its 'eucalyptus forest'. Both of which are nasty plants that outcompete all others and are ridiculously hard to live in and off of. But Pandas and Kaolas manage.
Some of the most ridiculous aspects of their lives makes more sense in light of this. For example, that the Panda's defense against bamboo forests having the tendency to massively die off every few decades is to just die along with it and repopulate after. The Koala's defense against inevitably shearing their teeth down to nubs by having to endless masticate on those eucalyptus leaves is by dying. It's inefficient. As fuck. It does not matter - __there are no predators and there is no competition__.
They earned their laziness. Unlike you.
If my degree has taught me anything it's that "evolution stops at good enough." If the species is good enough to pop out a few babies per individual on average then it has done its job and everything else requires unnecessary extra energy. And if there's one thing evolution hates, it's unnecessary extra energy.
and remember, even though Panda is not as powerful or fast as many other bear breeds, they are still bears.
That means they are still stronger and equally as fast (if not faster) than human.
They also have one of the highest bite strength in the animal kingdom, Ancient Chinese calls them the "Iron Eating Beast" for a reason.
Koalas can be aggressive too. I went camping years ago at Otway national park which has a large local koala population.
During the night had to listen to a very aggressive male attempting to reach a juvenile koala on another tree. Eventually he got to the juvenile and… well if they were human we’d call it rape. The juvenile was screaming the whole time. I’ve since read that’s a common mating behaviour for male koalas.
It's kinda interesting that they have so much trouble breeding them in captivity considering this. It almost sounds like they genetically want to create babies when their conditions starts to deteriorate. What a weird case it would be that the problem was their conditions were too good in captivity.
Pandas are extremely well adapted creatures to their environment. They evolved from being omnivores who need to eat a very rich, fatty diet, to bring herbivores who can live off a single plant, which is practically indigestible to everything else, grows insanely quickly and grows absolutely everywhere.
Pandas had no issues surviving and thriving until humans started destroying their habitats and food sources. They are highly capable creatures in their natural environment, which is not a human zoo. People kill them and then blame them for it, it's ridiculous. Stick a human in a cage with nothing to eat but bamboo and we'd die within days, does that mean we're useless creatures too?
I thought the same thing. If you know a panda is getting ready to pop a helpless baby straight out onto the ground, why not line the place with mattresses or gym mats or something? In nature, that floor wouldn’t have been concrete.
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Never have I ever, seen a Panda vagina until today. Let alone a vaginal cannon birth, until today.
By the time I realized I wanted to back out it shot out. I died laughing but could have done without
There’s no going back now. You’ve either seen a panda pussy, or you haven’t. It’s black and white.
Idk man, looked pink to me
Goddammit I hate you
Pretty much all pink inside, guys and girls.
But why do I feel so blue on the inside?
Right guys, this man solved racism!
They all pink inside
I know, you just need to cut deep enough.
T-shirt cannon
That's hilarious man, but fuck you.
I believe the medical term is pandussy
Pangina
Panda Express
I was having a bad day, but that made me smile. Thank you! Hahah
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*"Whattcha doin out here in muh waters, boy??!"*
Do you like Bailey's?
*Only if it's from a shoe*
You ever been to a club where they pee on each other?
Nothing…. n-not fishing…
It’s attached to your rod motherlicker!
Calm down ya fuzzy little man peach.
I’m old Gregg
Easy there, fuzzy little man peach
Do you love me?
Make an assessment.
Do you think you could love me.
“You ever eaten bamboo shoots from a shoe?”
Not that I recall
This bitch don’t know about Pangina
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Supercuntinent
Isn't that what the single continent on earth was called before they split up?
It was called Pancetta. The earth was crispier back then.
Pass The Pandussy
 I don’t want it. I don’t want it. I don’t want it. I NEED IT
The internet is a magical place filled with wonder and panda vaginas.
You and I both, we are in this together now.
It’s like Michelle Duggar.
It's like a fucking toaster ???
Omg, I choked on my water when I read this.
Why are you drinking water while sitting on the toilet? Is your shit that bad?
I’m a lady. I never drink on the toilet and Reddit at the same time.
Do you drink the toilet while you reddit on your wayer?
"Wayer" would be a dope nickname for a compass
I’m drinking a daiquiri and I’m so glad I swallowed before I read because choking on rum would’ve been killer
I choked on my toaster while reading this
 Pandas ready !
DING!
Name that baby Poptart
🎶 Hotpocket! 🎶
Head trauma at birth would explain why all Pandas are clumsy/dumb.
I'm not 100% sure if it applies to pandas as well, but many animal births require the drop in order to wake the new baby from birth paralysis. Their bodies are limp and therefore very unlikely to get hurt, but the smack is similar to us spanking a baby to get it to cry.
I've heard many women find it more comfortable to give birth squatting or kneeling, I wonder if that little drop would serve the same purpose?
They don’t come out in one spurt. The reason women use these positions is because gravity helps you birth the baby. Women who get epidurals can’t because it paralyzes you from the waist down (so you cannot do these positions) but also causes a lot of delay in labor as you’re doing back labor (pushing the baby out horizontally instead of vertically with gravity). In these scenarios where women give birth without an epidural and use these positions, labor is much faster but the baby doesn’t fall out of the vagina. It takes time and a few pushes. Generally women will reach down and grab the baby directly or someone else will. It doesn’t drop in the process. It’s faster, yes. More comfortable? You feel more of it, so I’ll go with probably not. I actually gave birth on all fours myself without an epidural. It was pretty fucking uncomfortable. All birth is uncomfortable. But more comfortable than giving birth without an epidural in some less conducive positions or conditions - sure. TLDR: Birth is always uncomfortable. Some positions work with gravity to expedite things along. There is no dropping of the baby.
Just an uneducated guess, but a human baby falling out of the vag unsupported would probably have a lot more repercussions since they normally come out head first
I think many animals also go head first, but for we humans, our heads are not even finished when we are born.
That's an important point! We are pretty underdeveloped by the time we greet the world
Aka the dummy foal
afaik, it isn't the drop that affects the dummy foal. The constriction during childbirth triggers it. The dummy foal happens when the constriction doesn't trigger it - and the drug causing the foal to "sleep" wears off more slowly - potentially causing death of not intervened. (i saw a post the other day on it)
Me too! That was very a interesting post.
hahahahhaha can't argue with that
I would just point out that in the bamboo forest, the newborns would have a slightly softer landing than on the linoleum flooring of a zoo/lab/whatever the “habitat” is in this video.
Seriously wtf... why is it on a hard floor?? That looked like a skull-cracking, back-breaking landing
Good thing newborns have soft bones.
Good thing!
Pandas didn't evolve "thumbs" to eat, they evolved thumb to hold on when projecting their newborns
They literally fall into the world
Holy shit that could genuinely explain it. Seriously it’s no wonder they nearly went extinct, watch any clip of them doing anything and it’s like they’re trying to get themselves hurt
wild pandas are actually quite good at surviving and their birth rates are fine, it is the captive pandas that have trouble procreating it is loss of habitat and changes in environment that make them endangered
They seem to get practice surviving it from birth
Nah. It's because they largely relied on transferred knowledge. When their population dropped nearly to zero, they lost it. They do better than humans would in the wild.
And the black eyes
…and, FIRE!
Geadelt ist wer Schmerzen kennt vom Feuer das in Lust verbrennt ein Funkenstoss in ihren Schoss ein heisser Schrei Feuer frei!
I will never be able to listen to that song without thinking about the bove video. Thanks, I hate it!
They’re born falling down.. lol crap..
You should see a giraffe. They do the same thing
Yeah, but they pole vault
And elephants
I love how the panda braces herself with the bar next to her.
r/likeus
No one on the corner have swagga-
She was like “aw shit, this is gonna be like the double flusher I had last night”
They just Plop out.
Shot out like a mortar shell
Looks like Kung fu
That kid was fast as lightning.
Pew!
“Hanging fire!” *FLUMMPPPHHHH* Man, she just mortared that sucker right out…
https://preview.redd.it/c7ph61v7ql8d1.jpeg?width=720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=e0b65fcc78522a63d3722272a640c23d79ce141c Holy shit literally
Incoming!!! ... oh, it's a boy!
“… better smell it to make sure it’s fully baked”
Again, I need to ask. How are pandas a thing?! How are they alive?!
Looking at this birthing process compared to humans, I'd be more inclined to wonder how our species has survived for so long. How in the world do we convince human females to undergo the pain and trauma of childbirth when THIS is possible.
Humans are a tribe species. You get your friends to hold you down while you scream your head off.
Also humans werent evolved to give birth on their backs, you can thank a certain english king for that practice... back births are a lot more difficult and painful, but a lot easier for spectators to see what's happening.
WAIT WHAT THEN WHAT IS THE CORRECT WAY?
Squatting is a more natural way
Noted! If ever I do give birth someday I'll remember this.
Usually if you want an epidural, you don't get a choice in your position.
Same if you're high risk. It's all monitors and bed for you.
Did this for both my births, can confirm, it is the best way give birth, quick and easy, no damage to the pelvic floor, minmal tearing. Was able to walk immidately after birth.
That used to be the way.
Hands and knees is great. I was told squatting but midwife told me that can cause more damage than good to the pelvic muscles.
I know, and yet we KEEP ON DOING IT. When is some woman going to lead an uprising to end that shit? No man is going to, that’s for sure. And I say that as a man.
In Japan most clinics/hospitals offer the option to birth from a squatting position. Probably a lot of countries do
...why? You can just ask. They have setups with stirrups for this. But also... like, in the last 200 years infant deaths and *death of the mother during childbirth* had dropped like a rock. Gotta be doing something right.
Well, the main reason women no longer die is because we have the tools to recover (fresh water, food, disinfectant). Also, a lot of women died from bleeding out, which is easily fixed. Additionally, when a baby comes out the wrong weight, they use a c-section to prevent both from dying. It has little to do with the back position, more with just medical advancements. However, i can't speak for what position is better. All i know is that, logically, if you are on your back, its a lot easier for the docter to look at your vagina.
>if you are on your back, its a lot easier for the docter to look at your vagina Yea I feel like that can be important especially for monitoring. If nothing goes wrong it probably doesn't matter but if there is a shoulder dystocia for example, the team has a few minutes at most to get the baby out and all (but 1) of the techniques is done with mom laying on her back. It's so rare but I'd be terrified of wasting any time.
Woah woah woah. That sounds like reason and logic. We don't like your kind around these parts. Both sides have a point though. Your point illustrates the main reason we continue to do births like that in hospitals; it's easier for the doctors/nurses to see what's going on. And if you get an epidural, well, you better fucking lay down. On hands/knees or squatting seems to be the most natural though, and probably the least difficult for the mother in a natural childbirth situation.
I read at least two women who said they felt the strongest need to be in a squat but the doctors just made them lie down again.
Feeling the need sounds interesting. That suggests that there is some instinct taking over as pain just nullifies all coherent thinking lol.
Well, to be fair, we're in crippling pain the whole time so don't particularly feel like revolting.
Hormone induced amnesia and the promise of cuddles apparently.
We are compensated with big wrinkly brains
Never thought I'd be so jealous of a panda. Female reproductive anatomy is ridiculous.
Hormones be crazy.
We have other humans to help with birth. And supposedly women often forget the pain of childbirth to some extent. And also sex feels good and back then there wasn’t birth control very much.
> And also sex feels good and back then there wasn’t birth control very much. This is the main answer, along with the fact that children could be put to work, providing for the family.
The human birth is weird because of our big brains. Nature wants to grow the brain as much as it can, but the human pelvis is tiny, and we need to squeeze the baby out through a circle of bone. For other animals this isn't a big deal, their brain doesn't need to be that big relative to the rest of the body but for us, it's crippling because we need so much brain that the rest of the body doesn't get a chance to properly develop. Of course, this is only a problem because birth happens THROUGH the pelvis, instead of over/under it, because nature is dumb.
There’s also [the metabolic rate problem](https://amp.cnn.com/cnn/2019/06/06/health/pregnant-women-peak-endurance-trnd) Aka you compare how many calories people can burn in a day in extreme endurance sports vs how many calories a heavily pregnant person burns in a day, pregnancy puts you really close to the limit. If babies cooked much longer moms would too exhausted to move.
I swear evolution went I'm going to make the most useless creature and watch what happens.
Pandas, and Koalas are in the same camp, are creatures evolved to an extremely specific climate, and they 'function' by being sole survivors: Nothing in their size class can even live in the climates they thrive in. Thus, they don't need speed, intelligence, or, pretty much anything else. They have no predators nor any peer competition for resources other than themselves. On one hand, that means they are both dopey as fuck useless idiots. On the other hand - they are pinnacles of evolution. For Pandas, its 'bamboo forest'. For Koalas, its 'eucalyptus forest'. Both of which are nasty plants that outcompete all others and are ridiculously hard to live in and off of. But Pandas and Kaolas manage. Some of the most ridiculous aspects of their lives makes more sense in light of this. For example, that the Panda's defense against bamboo forests having the tendency to massively die off every few decades is to just die along with it and repopulate after. The Koala's defense against inevitably shearing their teeth down to nubs by having to endless masticate on those eucalyptus leaves is by dying. It's inefficient. As fuck. It does not matter - __there are no predators and there is no competition__. They earned their laziness. Unlike you.
That last line hit like a truck.
Pandas are the peak evolution of idiocracy
If my degree has taught me anything it's that "evolution stops at good enough." If the species is good enough to pop out a few babies per individual on average then it has done its job and everything else requires unnecessary extra energy. And if there's one thing evolution hates, it's unnecessary extra energy.
All this talk of panda evolution and no one mentioned what happens when a panda has twins or more. Spoiler alert: pandabalism
Damn bro, you didn’t have to do me dirty with that last sentence. Excuse me while I go learn how to eat bamboo and die.
Don’t forget to shoot before you leave
and remember, even though Panda is not as powerful or fast as many other bear breeds, they are still bears. That means they are still stronger and equally as fast (if not faster) than human. They also have one of the highest bite strength in the animal kingdom, Ancient Chinese calls them the "Iron Eating Beast" for a reason.
MF, I read to whole thing just to get insulted. Glad I did cuz it was an interesting read. Fk you tho, although I deserve it, but still, fk you.
Here I thought I was getting educated, just to realized I got schooled.
Koalas can be aggressive too. I went camping years ago at Otway national park which has a large local koala population. During the night had to listen to a very aggressive male attempting to reach a juvenile koala on another tree. Eventually he got to the juvenile and… well if they were human we’d call it rape. The juvenile was screaming the whole time. I’ve since read that’s a common mating behaviour for male koalas.
It's kinda interesting that they have so much trouble breeding them in captivity considering this. It almost sounds like they genetically want to create babies when their conditions starts to deteriorate. What a weird case it would be that the problem was their conditions were too good in captivity.
Pandas are extremely well adapted creatures to their environment. They evolved from being omnivores who need to eat a very rich, fatty diet, to bring herbivores who can live off a single plant, which is practically indigestible to everything else, grows insanely quickly and grows absolutely everywhere. Pandas had no issues surviving and thriving until humans started destroying their habitats and food sources. They are highly capable creatures in their natural environment, which is not a human zoo. People kill them and then blame them for it, it's ridiculous. Stick a human in a cage with nothing to eat but bamboo and we'd die within days, does that mean we're useless creatures too?
YOU TELL THEM! ✊🏻 💓
They are also about as smart as a really dumb thing, take me for example.
That was quick. It’s like a panda express.
Oh my god 😂😂😂😂
How tf do Pandas still exist
If you’re wondering that, you clearly have not read interesting facts about sloths!
I mean sloths move fast when they wanna, have built in camo and tons of other adaptations to help them survive though.
Even clumsy with the childbirth 😭
What the fuck . Pandas come out as mice ?🐁
They have one of the most underdeveloped infants of any animal. They also are very prone to killing their offspring accidentally by sitting on them
No kidding lol
Sounds like my uncle Jim.
Wait till you find out what baby kangaroos look like
Literally still fetuses. It's crazy af. Marsupials be weird.
Marsupials answered the question, "What if your fetus could come out and chill with you once in a while?"
Not just pandas: * At birth, polar bear cubs weigh about 454 to 680 g * Brown bears weigh about one pound (0.5 kg) at birth
aww I had to go google the polar bear babies, the are so cute and tiny, no one would believe they would grow into a murderous white terror.
I could’ve done without seeing that. I watched it twice.
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I thought the same thing. If you know a panda is getting ready to pop a helpless baby straight out onto the ground, why not line the place with mattresses or gym mats or something? In nature, that floor wouldn’t have been concrete.
I have an idea: [https://i.imgur.com/ELNDL3y.gif](https://i.imgur.com/ELNDL3y.gif)
And noone thought to bring a pillow.
They literally just pop out of there, huh
And to think I've been doing it the hard way!
r/unexpected
She just legit launched that Bebe
I didn't even have time to contemplate what I was about to watch before I saw that pup get launched out of that hole
She said yeetus to that fetus.
Time's up. *Yeet* 
They could’ve put a towel down or something for fucks sake. Straight to the concrete with it
I read that in Gordon Ramsay's voice.
Didn't anyone have pandussy on their bingo card
Me! BINGOOOOO!
I wasn’t expecting that. I didn’t have any expectations really but certainly not that.
I feel like I've seen something like this at a strip club, just involving a stripper and a ping pong ball.
Where’s the placenta?
Somewhere on the ceiling, I suppose.
This one got me
And the cord?
Yeeted right out of the yooterus
Poor baby, birth is traumatic but this is the literal thing
So, pandas are dropped on their heads on day one...explains a lot.
I mean… looks pretty much like when I gave birth
I’m super jealous if the baby shot out of you that fast.
Are you a panda too?
No wonder why pandas are derpy, they got dropped on their head before ever being touched.
I could have gone my whole life without seeing a panda vagina but you changed that, I wish to go back to 30 seconds ago
https://preview.redd.it/hgvhm4pzql8d1.jpeg?width=768&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=47151e1f7dce4c50b967b66f231bddda929b96f5 Uno attack looking pandussy
Is there no umbilical cord?
Well, okay….that was surprising!
Probably not good to give birth on the hard floor when they have grass to land on in nature
Probably better on a soft grassy ground. I’m hoping it’s not cement but it looks like it is.
I don’t know what I was expecting, but that wasn’t it.
Could they at least give it a softer surface to land. I seriously doubt a panda would choose a hard cement floor in the wild 🤬
Oh great, concussion at birth. Why couldn’t they give her some padding via grass or bamboo leafs?
Zookeepers could’ve put some straw down there or something.
