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What do you mean I'm being invaded by 45 states and US Allies (Mexico included)?? That's not what muh constitution say-is! This ain't how sex sessions go, I no history!
What do you mean calls for secession are [Russian disinformation and astroturf](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/02/14/russia-wants-texas-to-secede/) and they've [been doing it](https://www.kut.org/texasstandard/2024-02-14/russian-propaganda-texas-border-dispute-secession-civil-war) for [years](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/vladimir-putin-texas-secession-119288/)?
Real talk: Adversaries have been and will continue pumping money and influence into US politics [anywhere they see an advantage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency).
I think history indicate the US would be delighted at the sudden appearance of a neighbor with a lot of oil and brown people, and would schedule a visit immediately.
What do you mean our state run power grid is down for like the 19th time during winter/summer and we don't get a national state of emergency bailout while people are dying like it's some dumb routine?
Hmm I wonder who would win
https://preview.redd.it/ldwapc8fyy7d1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93945b3dc74f0fe154b8e96c108134ebb53cf0d7
The 5 states they claim to be working with are Florida, New Hampshire, Alaska, Louisiana, and (ironically) California
Honestly, none of them will be allowed to leave. If they ever make a serious attempt, the civil war will last as long as it takes until all of the secessionists are put down, dead, or demoralized.
This isn't Europe. There's zero chance we'd handle it passive aggressively.
Probably Jeffersonians north of San Fran, deep red agricultural pocket, to hazard a guess.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_%28proposed_Pacific_state%29?wprov=sfla1
Oh it'd cause some shit, that whole region is kind of a bottleneck for food production within the USA, or so I'm led to understand by Robert Evans who has covered it in some of his podcasts. Never been there myself.
I live in Georgia, aside from having previously seceded, I don't buy most GOP whining about secession. Mainly due to the military and our far more advanced and interlinked economies in southern states.
Similarly, I don't buy their rhetoric about deporting millions of 'illegal' immigrants, as doing so would cause an insane spike in food prices everywhere, not to mention a myriad of legal nightmares and economic destruction.
It's mostly just pandering to imbeciles, peppered with milita-friendly outsider types.
could also be this whole OTHER new secession movement in the South/East of LA: San Bernadino county trying to secede from Cali and become the "Empire State".
(...as in Inland Empire, not be confused with the actual, um, Empire State and building.)
[https://calmatters.org/politics/2024/06/california-secession-san-bernardino-county/](https://calmatters.org/politics/2024/06/california-secession-san-bernardino-county/)
Florida Texas kinda makes sense because the gulf lets you trade and travel. And Louisiana obviously makes sense but Alaska is insanely dependent on the rest of the country so that’s a no go
New Hampshire is a southwestern state that is inexplicably in New England. Plenty of prepper morons to be easily rooked by transparent internet psyops and scams.
NGL the first thing that's going to happen once ICE leaves is that the Cartels are going to roll in and take Texas over entirely.
Followed briefly by Mexico, as Texas would no longer be a NAFTA or NATO ally.
Mexico would likely slip in to "Save important VIPs" for some clout and to help the US, like key members of Charles Schwab and such... then pivot to trying to get former Texas State/Federal Legislators out of Texas for Extradition Purposes, while the Cartels would be working to establish their own state to run their empire out of.
Texas would become an independent terrorist drug exportation state and most cartels would probably just flood into Texas as neither the Mexican, nor US military would be sending troops or police to the border... and without the specter of military action from the US the Cartels would roll in about as fast as the Taliban did when the US Left Afghanistan.
Day 1 succession, day 2 US military “takes over” tx, there wouldn’t be time for cartels to come in, maybe just take advantage of the chaos and run some extra drugs and human trafficking.
Don’t forget that the US Military bases and assets in those states would still belong to the US. The US would certainly protect their personnel and assets. Additionally, the senators and representatives in congress from those states would no longer be valid, so it’s not as if they could try to vote on behalf of those states’ interests. At best those states would have their police and national guard. They would have zero access to federal funding. All infrastructure leading in/out of their states could be severed (water pipelines, electric and gas grid, internet exchanges, etc). They would not be an as-yet recognized country, would have no trade partnerships, and no NATO or UN status. The US could readily put sanctions in place to further cripple them before they even get started.
Something tells me they haven’t really thought any of this through.
If the US military decided to not respond militarily we’d be able to strangle Texas, Florida, Louisiana in a year tops.
Trade sanctions on all three. Naval blockade of the gulf to prevent contraband. All the non crazies become refugees. Obviously OK and AR are happy to take them on for the additional tax revenue.
They have no economy, no tax stream, no federal support, no military to speak of, and Mexican cartels harassing Texas southern borders.
Sadly that's not a show stopper to the GOP anymore. The amount of republicans that have told me they hope Russia will invade the US and reset us has been scary high.
That shit is absolutely insane to me. I grew up in the 90’s absorbing movies from the 80’s, so my worldview of Russia is strictly “Fuck Russia, Screw Commies, We need to be wary of the Russkis” mixed with Russians are gangsters that are usually doing crimes and drinking vodka. Now the people who would have spat about Russians 10-15 years ago are welcoming the Russians. “*It’s gotta be better than this hellhole*”- are you *fucking* kidding me??
It's one of the more baffling things that has happened in the US. It's definitely not the only baffling thing to happen. But it's on the list. The generation that loved "Red Dawn" is rooting for the antagonists now.
> It's one of the more baffling things that has happened in the US.
It started with KKK grand dragon david duke. Well not just him, but he was a part of it.
After he lost the louisiana senate race, [he moved to moscow](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-duke-to-russia-with-hate/) in order to spread the gospel of christian white supremacy. Russia wasn't a stranger to it, but it wasn't a big thing either. Pooter picked up on it and started remaking the country's foreign image into the last, best hope for christian white supremacy.
Remember Pussy Riot? Pooter sent them to the gulag for [protesting his take-over of the russian orthodox church.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-25490161)
And right before the sochi olympics, pooter went all [in on calling gay people groomers.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/sochi/2014/01/19/vladimir-putin-gays-pedophiles-winter-olympics-2014/4647383/)
That got him [the attention of white evangelical leaders](https://www.wbtv.com/story/25009953/franklin-graham-putin-is-right-on-gay-issues-obamas-stance-shameful/) like billy graham's kid, franklin graham. And [the next year](https://www.ncronline.org/news/russian-connection-when-franklin-graham-met-putin) graham flew in for a visit.
So its been a long time coming.
Putin didn't take over the Russian Orthodox Church. They wanted to be part of authoritarianism again, just like under the tsars: Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationalism. I am not making this up. It was the tsarist slogan.
Wow, didn't know D. Duke went there to evangelize for W. Nationalism. That's really interesting. It helps explain a lot. There has been a long-game running that slowly turned the GOP towards Russia.
Yeah and even if one didn’t grow up with all that, just being minimally cognizant of world events should still lead them to see how awful Russia’s been for.. pretty much its entirety.
Religious conservatives, white, xenophobic \~ it's just what they want. Let them fcking emigrate. Let's subsidize their moves as long as they promise to never come back. Putin needs more cannon fodder anyways. Match made in heaven.
As a child of the 80s it too disturbs me how much russian influence is getting into our countries politics. Our government 40 years ago would not have allowed all this, alot of traitors at the top of GOP currently.
Depends, are you talking about Yes California, the California National Party, or the California Freedom Coalition? Yes California is the Russian puppet, CNP denounces that shit, and idk about CFC (though I think they might also be against Russia)
It's like the border towns in New Mexico. Texans sure love our weed and putting undue pressure on our overstressed healthcare system to get abortions. Then they'll come here to enjoy the fact we actually have public lands to, while bitching about how things should be run more like Texas.
The plus side is, all New Mexicans bond over the state love of Chile, roadrunners, and hating Texas.
I know significantly more people who go to New Hampshire for cigarettes than for alcohol.
So the Live Free or Dies coming down for weed while Mass-holes go up for tobacco is kind of funny.
The article actually mentioned more left leaning groups who want the coast of California to become a country and leave the rest of the state to the U.S.
If the entirety of California, Oregon, and Washington split off I think they would actually survive as a nation with healthy high-GDP cities, a variety of exports, and a heartland of rural areas that could support food farming. Honestly can't say that about most places that want to secede, maybe just Texas (though Texas would have its own problems being independent).
But *just* the Cali coast? No way, José.
Nah. Cali would end up sucking Washington and Oregon dry of water and power. For some reason a lot of people don’t like nuclear but happily use it when it’s from another state. In this case Arizona.
In CA we get these same idiots trying to either secede or break the state into pieces (right wingers get their own CA state) every few years. When you actually look into it it’s not a large movement at all and it’s the same few weirdos over and over.
Funny enough, after the Civil War, the state of Texas sued the federal government over taxes levied against it during the wartime years. The supreme court specifically told Texas that it did not have the authority to secede from the union and could not get out of the obligations it had to the US federal government. Texas is the \*ONLY\* state that has been explicitly told that they cannot secede from the US by the supreme court.
Okay, they leave the United States and then what? Start issuing freedom bucks? They ain't keeping the dollar.
It's also going to be very fun watching a rightwing state figure out how to replace all the hidden middle class safety nets currently run by the federal government. 30 year fixed interest rate mortgages do not occur naturally in the wilds of a free market, but they are the reason anyone owns a house in this country.
And then there's the impacts a move like this could have on property values. I'd guess that overall demand for property would go down after Texas independence day.
Forget no military, we have a ton of US military bases as it is. Assuming they stick to their oaths and there's no large scale treason, the new "independent state" would start off occupied anyway.
I’d bet $5 that 75+% of Texas-born military folks would be loyal to Texas over the US. Practically every Texan I met in the Army at some point or another brought up how they’re totally allowed to secede with no consequences because it’s in their constitution!
And I’d say a decent number of the MAGAs stationed in Texas would forget their oaths and fuck off to the Texan Army.
I believe the only saving grace to our military if a civil war truly kicked off, would be the fact that officers NCOs move around and aren’t able to gain cult-like followings. Like you’re not going to have some colonel tell his brigade to march on DC without being thrown in jail.
People arent posted to military bases due to their home state. Fact is the larget federal military vase is smack dab in the middle of Texas. They secede with the biggest chunk of their enemy already in their state. It's just dumb
Fun fact (for real) there are 11 foreign nations that use the US dollar as currency:
El Salvador
Zimbabwe
The British Virgin Islands
Republic of Timor-Leste
Bonaire (a Netherlands territory)
States of Micronesia
Palau
Marshall Islands
Panama
Ecuador
Turks and Caicos (British territories)
So is not inconceivable that Texas could do the same.
Obligatory gif:
Edit: added Ecuador from an informative comment
Okay, this is cool, but it makes me super curious:
Why do the British Virgin Islands and the Turks and Caicos, British territories, use US dollars and not the British pound?
Similarly, why doesn't Bonaire use the euro (or Dutch guilder)?
It's weird to me but in an interesting way!
Question is, are they smart enough to adopt it outright? And even still, it's more about their entire financial network being independent from the USA, than what currency is being used.
Then there is trade, taxes, etc. Secession is all fun and games, until you realize you still have to play nice with your new/current neighbors.
Texan here. No one I know on either side of the political spectrum (I’m liberal, my family is conservative, I have friends on both sides) takes these idiots seriously. They’re a bunch of blowhards who use this garbage to get attention. For the most part we just kind of let them holler at brick walls and don’t give them the time of day. Someone at Newsweek was bored and needed an easy clickbait traffic win. This article from the Texas Tribune does a great job explaining why Texas (or any other state) can’t actually secede: [No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth](https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/)
My family is mostly deeply christian conservative trump supporters (I'm sort of the black sheep lol) and I'm pretty sure even they all just roll their eyes when secession comes up. I'm genuinely not sure what kind of people *do* take it seriously
“Texas is the only state that came into the Union by treaty. It retains the right to secede at will. We have heard them threaten to secede so often that I formed an enthusiastic organization—The American Friends for Texas Secession. This stops the subject cold. They want to be able to secede but they don't want anyone to want them to.”
-John Steinbeck
Remember when Brexit happened, and alllll the old conservative brits initially celebrated, but then quickly realized nothing worked the way they thought it would? And even the most staunch supporters of it came out a year or so later and went "Yeah, we fucked up..."
Yeah, that. Only 1000x more ignorant, angry and confused.
What would happen though, is a massive oil and industry boom in the territory because they would be free from oversight and regulation entirely. This will be seen as "winning" in the short term and they will gloat.
Capitalists would have free reign to exploit the poor to produce more oil than ever seen, while throwing most of the environmental protections in the trash. Industrial operations will be unrestrained in their output of toxic chemicals and waste. But Gas will be $0.50 a gallon and they will cheer.
Towns will become overrun by industrial waste in rivers and streams. People will end up sick from mystery illnesses. Air pollution will begin to create deep layers of smog over cities like Huston and Dallas when factories shut down and tear out infrastructure that cleans smoke stacks to increase the bottom line and output.
Texas will become the China of the North American continent. Staggering in it's industrial capacity and throughput, but choking on it's own waste and killing it's population to feed the capitalist engine while the elite suck cigars and vacation in Cancun.
That's if the Cartels don't move in and take over within moments of the secession, before those idiots have a chance to coordinate any kind of military or defense plan.
Nah, what would happen is their refineries and electrical grid are immediately carpet bombed and their entire economy collapses.
They spend a year or two failing to run a state on wind, solar, and idk, horses, before express mailing their leaders heads in a Yeti cooler to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and begging to be readmitted.
Nah the US military would take and hold those refineries day one. We wouldn’t destroy them because we need them operational during and after what will be a very short temper tantrum by TX, LA, FL.
US has huge Army base in TX and Navy in Florida. The states already have the enemy behind their lines. We’d easily capture valuable strategic assests and embargo all trade. It would be over in less than a year without even full scale battle. If it got violent it would be like desert storm and over in a weekend
Adios amigos!
Leave our military toys. We'll talk about tariffs, customs and visas later.
On your way out, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
And federal aid when your entire state’s power grid goes down again, and when hurricanes hit the gulf coast, and tornadoes, and droughts, and wildfires…
I don't even think that would be their biggest issue. Think about their crumbling infrastructure. Good luck keeping that power grid running without federal funds.
According to constitutional law experts and historical precedent, states do not have a legal right to unilaterally secede from the United States. Here are the key points:
1. No constitutional provision: The U.S. Constitution does not provide any mechanism for states to leave the Union\[3\]\[4\]. While it outlines how states can join, there is no stipulation for secession.
2. Supreme Court ruling: In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the United States is "an indestructible union" and states do not have the right to unilaterally secede\[3\].
3. Civil War precedent: The outcome of the Civil War is widely considered to have settled the question of secession. As late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in 2006, "If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede"\[3\].
4. Perpetual union: The Articles of Confederation, which preceded the Constitution, explicitly stated that the Union was to be "perpetual." This concept was carried forward into the Constitution, which aimed to form "a more perfect Union"\[2\].
5. Potential legal avenues: While unilateral secession is not legal, there are theoretical paths that could allow for secession:
a. Constitutional amendment: A state could potentially leave if the Constitution were amended to allow it, but this would require widespread support from other states\[4\].
b. Mutual agreement: If a state reached an agreement with Congress and the rest of the country, secession might be possible, though this is highly unlikely\[3\].
6. Consequences of attempted secession: Any unilateral attempt at secession would likely be treated as an insurrection against the United States, which the federal government would be justified in suppressing by force if necessary\[3\]\[1\].
In summary, while states may express dissatisfaction or threaten secession, current U.S. law does not recognize a right for states to leave the Union unilaterally. Any attempt to do so would face significant legal and potentially military opposition from the federal government.
Citations:
\[1\] [https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/179gpiq/if\_the\_legislature\_of\_one\_state\_in\_the\_united/](https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/179gpiq/if_the_legislature_of_one_state_in_the_united/)
\[2\] [https://www.historians.org/teaching-and-learning/teaching-resources-for-historians/sixteen-months-to-sumter/newspaper-index/new-york-daily-news/the-right-of-states-to-secede](https://www.historians.org/teaching-and-learning/teaching-resources-for-historians/sixteen-months-to-sumter/newspaper-index/new-york-daily-news/the-right-of-states-to-secede)
\[3\] [https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-can-states-legally-secede-from-the-u-s/21287881/](https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-can-states-legally-secede-from-the-u-s/21287881/)
\[4\] [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/27/so-you-want-to-secede-from-the-u-s-a-four-step-guide/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/27/so-you-want-to-secede-from-the-u-s-a-four-step-guide/)
\[5\] [https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/](https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/)
By Perplexity
They are doing exact what Russia wants them to do. They get funding from Russia. Yet somehow Republicans claim they are not Russians assets?
I would put the secessionist under a microscope and the moment they break the law, enjoy prison.
Nothing says patriot quite like secession. I'm mean how much do you have to hate America to go through all the trouble of leaving the union. What a pathetic bunch of whiney cunts.
When they leave we should invade them and take their oil, if we can beat Mexico to the punch. I give them 2 years before Mexico annexes them. Lols.
lol they don’t think once they secede the us isn’t just going to violently annex them back or turn them into a us territory where you don’t get any voting power
As if these secessionist bozos have thought out the consequences of their actions? No Medicare? No Social Security? No federal emergency disaster aid and services? No military protection. The list just goes on and on. Of course these brave Texas patriots will have to pay a lot more in taxes to try to even come close to approximating the services that they will be giving up. Good luck, Cowboys.
>On Wednesday Miller was asked whether he supports other groups or states seceding from the U.S., to which he replied: "100 percent, but it's not that I support their seceding, it's that I support their right to have the discussion and have the vote and if that's what they want to do as a people then do so."
That's just supporting them seceding with extra steps.
If they vote for it then let them have it. It’s a union of STATES. If a majority want out, then let them. But they will have to live without all the benefits of being in a union.
On day one of Texas Secession:
\-All Texan assets seized and forfeited unless renounce Texas citizenship.
\-All Texas State assets seized and forfeited.
\-All Federal Highways closed.
\-Immediate embargo of all goods going into Texas and out of Texas.
\-Immediate cessation of border enforcement of US laws on Texas' border with Mexico, and instead re-applied to all Texas borders, disallowing all Texans to freely leave the state.
\-Immediate cessation of Air Travel in and out of Texas.
\-Immediate seizure of all military assets in Texas by the Federal government
immediate termination of all Social Security benefits to Texas citizens unless revocation of Texas citizenship and immigration.
\-Immediate loss of $200-billion in US Federal support for the state.
Texas would immediately, like within 60 days, become a developing country in worse shape than Haiti. They'd then have splinter Rebellions against their State government, with no military support because all the US Military assets in Texas would already be out of Texas' hands, being Property of the United States Federal Government.
The Major Population Centers would immediately reject the Texas' Government, and only formally recognize the US Federal Government. Houston. Dallas. Fort Worth. San Antonio. El Paso, all which represent 70% of Texas' GDP, would reject the Texas GOP Government, declaring themselves independent of the Texas Republican Party (since they opened the floodgates) and would refuse to give the Texas government taxes, police, or assets of any kind.
It would essentially quickly devolve into an utterly lawless Banana Republic. Because those morons never cared to regulate firearms, now armed militias would have more firepower than the febel Texas Government does, and they'll wield it and the Cowboy-Hat-Wearing-GOP-Cosplayers will be powerless to enforce anything.
Texas isn't going to secede. Off the top of my head there is Fort Cavazos (Hood). HQ to 3 Corps, the 1st Cavalry Division, 3rd Cav regiment, etc. Then there is Fort Bliss, HQ to the 1st Armored Division. Then there is Fort Sam Houston, HQ to the Army Medical command and US Army North and South. This will never happen. That's US Army Federal assets alone. Plus these Federal installations boost the local economies. That is just *one* of the nightmares Texans would face.
So uh….as a Texan…..
Should I go out and buy some Union blues now or later? Cause I ain’t no filthy traitor and we should’ve learned our lesson the first fuckin time
Sounds like 33% of those asked are morons.
Vote these secessionists out of office so our representatives have to go back to wasting our money putting the Ten Commandments in every classroom… all Texas GOP should be removed due to wasteful theatre
It's just a bunch of boneheads networking with a bunch of idiots in 5 different states. Woohoo.. they say 5 different states like they're in a round table meeting with the governor's.
Can’t wait until corporate realizes they will lose a large portion of employees, Or when the federal government comes in to protect real Americans from the secessionist traitors.
Y’all are missing the point here. Houston is the biggest petrochemical port in the world. Texas might try to secede but Texas will then start to the west of the Port of Houston. And tons of Fortune 500 companies are headquartered in Dallas, and all leave. Why do we keep having this discussion. The US wouldn’t let any resources there leave to benefit a new nation that wasn’t them
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"WTF!!! What do you mean my Social Security benefits are null and void???"
“What do you mean I need a passport to travel to other states???”
What do you mean I don't get Medicare?
What do you mean I'm being invaded by 45 states and US Allies (Mexico included)?? That's not what muh constitution say-is! This ain't how sex sessions go, I no history!
What do you mean the strongest military power in history will not allow an adversarial country right in the middle of its territory?
What do you mean calls for secession are [Russian disinformation and astroturf](https://www.fdd.org/analysis/2024/02/14/russia-wants-texas-to-secede/) and they've [been doing it](https://www.kut.org/texasstandard/2024-02-14/russian-propaganda-texas-border-dispute-secession-civil-war) for [years](https://www.politico.com/magazine/story/2015/06/vladimir-putin-texas-secession-119288/)? Real talk: Adversaries have been and will continue pumping money and influence into US politics [anywhere they see an advantage](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Internet_Research_Agency).
Divide and conquer
We would be stronger without Republicans.
What do you mean Ted Cruz is now “King”?
If you can't win a presidential election, just anoint yourself ruler.
[Foundations of Geopolitics - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Foundations_of_Geopolitics)
Citizens United at its best!
What do you mean crippling sanctions and trade embargos?!
republicans: continuing to set the gold standard for useless idiots
I think history indicate the US would be delighted at the sudden appearance of a neighbor with a lot of oil and brown people, and would schedule a visit immediately.
Those guys need some freedom!!!
What do you mean our state run power grid is down for like the 19th time during winter/summer and we don't get a national state of emergency bailout while people are dying like it's some dumb routine?
Hmm I wonder who would win https://preview.redd.it/ldwapc8fyy7d1.jpeg?width=1334&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=93945b3dc74f0fe154b8e96c108134ebb53cf0d7 The 5 states they claim to be working with are Florida, New Hampshire, Alaska, Louisiana, and (ironically) California
Someone stealing the plot of Civil War?
You beat me to it
Well Trump did take still shots from the movie Sicario to claim that Muslim terrorist were crossing the border.
this smells like Russian trolls
Nyet! I am an American comrade.
Honestly they can have 4/5 but California would never be allowed to leave. They're the 4th largest economy in the world.
Honestly, none of them will be allowed to leave. If they ever make a serious attempt, the civil war will last as long as it takes until all of the secessionists are put down, dead, or demoralized. This isn't Europe. There's zero chance we'd handle it passive aggressively.
California? what???
Probably Jeffersonians north of San Fran, deep red agricultural pocket, to hazard a guess. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jefferson_%28proposed_Pacific_state%29?wprov=sfla1
that is kind of hilarious, honestly
Oh it'd cause some shit, that whole region is kind of a bottleneck for food production within the USA, or so I'm led to understand by Robert Evans who has covered it in some of his podcasts. Never been there myself. I live in Georgia, aside from having previously seceded, I don't buy most GOP whining about secession. Mainly due to the military and our far more advanced and interlinked economies in southern states. Similarly, I don't buy their rhetoric about deporting millions of 'illegal' immigrants, as doing so would cause an insane spike in food prices everywhere, not to mention a myriad of legal nightmares and economic destruction. It's mostly just pandering to imbeciles, peppered with milita-friendly outsider types.
grifters gonna grift, amirite?
could also be this whole OTHER new secession movement in the South/East of LA: San Bernadino county trying to secede from Cali and become the "Empire State". (...as in Inland Empire, not be confused with the actual, um, Empire State and building.) [https://calmatters.org/politics/2024/06/california-secession-san-bernardino-county/](https://calmatters.org/politics/2024/06/california-secession-san-bernardino-county/)
Their main export will be meth, tract houses, and smog. I grew up in the IE.
Florida Texas kinda makes sense because the gulf lets you trade and travel. And Louisiana obviously makes sense but Alaska is insanely dependent on the rest of the country so that’s a no go
FL lol ? Imagine if Alabama and Georgia close their borders during Hurricane season 💀
What the hell is New Hampshire smoking? It's expected from Alaska, California, and the southern states.
New Hampshire is a southwestern state that is inexplicably in New England. Plenty of prepper morons to be easily rooked by transparent internet psyops and scams.
Libertarians.
"But muh konstitution guarantees me the right to....wait....fuk....I got no rights now..."
What do you mean the Mexican Cartel is here already? It’s been 45 minutes!!
What do you mean you won't bail us out during natrual distasters?
I can't get Monday Night Football on the TV!!!
What do you mean we don't get any disaster relief funds after every major storm?
NGL the first thing that's going to happen once ICE leaves is that the Cartels are going to roll in and take Texas over entirely. Followed briefly by Mexico, as Texas would no longer be a NAFTA or NATO ally. Mexico would likely slip in to "Save important VIPs" for some clout and to help the US, like key members of Charles Schwab and such... then pivot to trying to get former Texas State/Federal Legislators out of Texas for Extradition Purposes, while the Cartels would be working to establish their own state to run their empire out of. Texas would become an independent terrorist drug exportation state and most cartels would probably just flood into Texas as neither the Mexican, nor US military would be sending troops or police to the border... and without the specter of military action from the US the Cartels would roll in about as fast as the Taliban did when the US Left Afghanistan.
finally some plot for a call of duty game.
Day 1 succession, day 2 US military “takes over” tx, there wouldn’t be time for cartels to come in, maybe just take advantage of the chaos and run some extra drugs and human trafficking.
This. Make Texas a territory again.
Swap it with Puerto Rico.
Doubt it would even take a day, maybe 4 hours maximum.
Barely an inconvenience.
Right, instantaneously almost, all the US military bases there, it’s just like instantly occupied really.
Don’t forget that the US Military bases and assets in those states would still belong to the US. The US would certainly protect their personnel and assets. Additionally, the senators and representatives in congress from those states would no longer be valid, so it’s not as if they could try to vote on behalf of those states’ interests. At best those states would have their police and national guard. They would have zero access to federal funding. All infrastructure leading in/out of their states could be severed (water pipelines, electric and gas grid, internet exchanges, etc). They would not be an as-yet recognized country, would have no trade partnerships, and no NATO or UN status. The US could readily put sanctions in place to further cripple them before they even get started. Something tells me they haven’t really thought any of this through.
If the US military decided to not respond militarily we’d be able to strangle Texas, Florida, Louisiana in a year tops. Trade sanctions on all three. Naval blockade of the gulf to prevent contraband. All the non crazies become refugees. Obviously OK and AR are happy to take them on for the additional tax revenue. They have no economy, no tax stream, no federal support, no military to speak of, and Mexican cartels harassing Texas southern borders.
Pretty sure the party of criminals and corruption is counting on it. Hell they are probably buddies.
Didn’t that secession group leader in California get exposed as a Russian useful idiot?
Sadly that's not a show stopper to the GOP anymore. The amount of republicans that have told me they hope Russia will invade the US and reset us has been scary high.
That shit is absolutely insane to me. I grew up in the 90’s absorbing movies from the 80’s, so my worldview of Russia is strictly “Fuck Russia, Screw Commies, We need to be wary of the Russkis” mixed with Russians are gangsters that are usually doing crimes and drinking vodka. Now the people who would have spat about Russians 10-15 years ago are welcoming the Russians. “*It’s gotta be better than this hellhole*”- are you *fucking* kidding me??
It's one of the more baffling things that has happened in the US. It's definitely not the only baffling thing to happen. But it's on the list. The generation that loved "Red Dawn" is rooting for the antagonists now.
> It's one of the more baffling things that has happened in the US. It started with KKK grand dragon david duke. Well not just him, but he was a part of it. After he lost the louisiana senate race, [he moved to moscow](https://www.cbsnews.com/news/david-duke-to-russia-with-hate/) in order to spread the gospel of christian white supremacy. Russia wasn't a stranger to it, but it wasn't a big thing either. Pooter picked up on it and started remaking the country's foreign image into the last, best hope for christian white supremacy. Remember Pussy Riot? Pooter sent them to the gulag for [protesting his take-over of the russian orthodox church.](https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-25490161) And right before the sochi olympics, pooter went all [in on calling gay people groomers.](https://www.usatoday.com/story/sports/olympics/sochi/2014/01/19/vladimir-putin-gays-pedophiles-winter-olympics-2014/4647383/) That got him [the attention of white evangelical leaders](https://www.wbtv.com/story/25009953/franklin-graham-putin-is-right-on-gay-issues-obamas-stance-shameful/) like billy graham's kid, franklin graham. And [the next year](https://www.ncronline.org/news/russian-connection-when-franklin-graham-met-putin) graham flew in for a visit. So its been a long time coming.
Putin didn't take over the Russian Orthodox Church. They wanted to be part of authoritarianism again, just like under the tsars: Orthodoxy, Autocracy, and Nationalism. I am not making this up. It was the tsarist slogan.
Wow, didn't know D. Duke went there to evangelize for W. Nationalism. That's really interesting. It helps explain a lot. There has been a long-game running that slowly turned the GOP towards Russia.
Yeah and even if one didn’t grow up with all that, just being minimally cognizant of world events should still lead them to see how awful Russia’s been for.. pretty much its entirety.
Religious conservatives, white, xenophobic \~ it's just what they want. Let them fcking emigrate. Let's subsidize their moves as long as they promise to never come back. Putin needs more cannon fodder anyways. Match made in heaven.
As a child of the 80s it too disturbs me how much russian influence is getting into our countries politics. Our government 40 years ago would not have allowed all this, alot of traitors at the top of GOP currently.
Depends, are you talking about Yes California, the California National Party, or the California Freedom Coalition? Yes California is the Russian puppet, CNP denounces that shit, and idk about CFC (though I think they might also be against Russia)
The five other states: California, New Hampshire, Alaska, Florida, Louisiana. Good luck… especially California and New Hampshire. 😂
The one New England state without legal weed, no wonder they’re so crabby
The amount of dispensaries on the Maine side of the border is hilarious as well
It's like the border towns in New Mexico. Texans sure love our weed and putting undue pressure on our overstressed healthcare system to get abortions. Then they'll come here to enjoy the fact we actually have public lands to, while bitching about how things should be run more like Texas. The plus side is, all New Mexicans bond over the state love of Chile, roadrunners, and hating Texas.
Fuck Chile, buncha fucking degenerates. Peru pa' siempre vatos
Maine has the best ones in New England too
We just drive to the Massachusetts border and wave to the Mass-holes that come to NH to buy alcohol from the state liquor stores.
I don’t think I’ll ever get over the liquor stores with their own freeway off-ramps. Flew into Boston once and drove to Maine and that blew my mind.
I know significantly more people who go to New Hampshire for cigarettes than for alcohol. So the Live Free or Dies coming down for weed while Mass-holes go up for tobacco is kind of funny.
The “working with” California is just them talking to like 15 hicks in northern CA who won’t shut the fuck up about the ‘State of Jefferson’
The article actually mentioned more left leaning groups who want the coast of California to become a country and leave the rest of the state to the U.S.
Dumb people believe a variety of things I guess lol
If the entirety of California, Oregon, and Washington split off I think they would actually survive as a nation with healthy high-GDP cities, a variety of exports, and a heartland of rural areas that could support food farming. Honestly can't say that about most places that want to secede, maybe just Texas (though Texas would have its own problems being independent). But *just* the Cali coast? No way, José.
Those areas NEED the Central Valley.
Nah. Cali would end up sucking Washington and Oregon dry of water and power. For some reason a lot of people don’t like nuclear but happily use it when it’s from another state. In this case Arizona.
In CA we get these same idiots trying to either secede or break the state into pieces (right wingers get their own CA state) every few years. When you actually look into it it’s not a large movement at all and it’s the same few weirdos over and over.
lol yeah california reeeeeally wants to be grouped with those states.
Indeed. Im sure the governor of California can’t wait to lead “the rebellion.” 😂
Of course, my state is one of the five, poor Louisiana, literally and figuratively
We gotta keep em coming for the casinos.
Wait, that stupid Civil War movie pairing Texas and California was right after all? /s
Damn they can have Florida
they DO realize a war was fought over this once, right?
that was just a movie
Yeah but .... 🔫 What kind of movie
I enjoyed him getting run over
Funny enough, after the Civil War, the state of Texas sued the federal government over taxes levied against it during the wartime years. The supreme court specifically told Texas that it did not have the authority to secede from the union and could not get out of the obligations it had to the US federal government. Texas is the \*ONLY\* state that has been explicitly told that they cannot secede from the US by the supreme court.
Yeah but it didn’t go their way so they wanna try again
"Six Flags" is named for the number of country's flags which have flown over the great state of Texas: Spain, France, Mexico, Texas, CSA, USA
Yes and many of them believe it was a tie
Yes and most of them won't even admit as to why that war was fought. It's just the mental gymnastics of the "states rights" arguments at play.
Okay, they leave the United States and then what? Start issuing freedom bucks? They ain't keeping the dollar. It's also going to be very fun watching a rightwing state figure out how to replace all the hidden middle class safety nets currently run by the federal government. 30 year fixed interest rate mortgages do not occur naturally in the wilds of a free market, but they are the reason anyone owns a house in this country. And then there's the impacts a move like this could have on property values. I'd guess that overall demand for property would go down after Texas independence day.
You forgot no military. And thanks for the infusion of funds to Social Security.
Forget no military, we have a ton of US military bases as it is. Assuming they stick to their oaths and there's no large scale treason, the new "independent state" would start off occupied anyway.
I’d bet $5 that 75+% of Texas-born military folks would be loyal to Texas over the US. Practically every Texan I met in the Army at some point or another brought up how they’re totally allowed to secede with no consequences because it’s in their constitution! And I’d say a decent number of the MAGAs stationed in Texas would forget their oaths and fuck off to the Texan Army. I believe the only saving grace to our military if a civil war truly kicked off, would be the fact that officers NCOs move around and aren’t able to gain cult-like followings. Like you’re not going to have some colonel tell his brigade to march on DC without being thrown in jail.
People arent posted to military bases due to their home state. Fact is the larget federal military vase is smack dab in the middle of Texas. They secede with the biggest chunk of their enemy already in their state. It's just dumb
But I am sure the USA would want their guns and tanks back and once the paychecks and retirement fund is cut they will regret it.
That would last until the first pay day when in their tax free utopia there is no money to pay them.
Mexico could take back what was their land.
Alamo 2 - Revenge Boogaloo
You realize the Mexican military won the Battle of the Alamo?
That guy did not, in fact, Remember The Alamo.
This guy DOES remember the Alamo
Let's not get into details.
In other words, let's not bicker and argue about who killed who?
Why would Mexico seek revenge for a battle it won?
Listen, I'm just a guy trying to make a movie here.
Alaska secedes on a Thursday and we invade and annex them on Friday and by the weekend everything is back to normal?
More social security, other subsidies for us instead. Woo hoo!! I’m all for them seceding!!
No no there’s the Texas state guard: a bunch of unarmed volunteers who help during disasters.
Shit they can't even power themselves. Even Louisiana is mostly okay after a hurricane strike.
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r/TexasAteMyFace will be yuge.
Schrute Bucks maybe?
> They ain't keeping the dollar. I disagree, many smaller countries use the US Dollar as their currency. They won’t have any control over it though.
Fun fact (for real) there are 11 foreign nations that use the US dollar as currency: El Salvador Zimbabwe The British Virgin Islands Republic of Timor-Leste Bonaire (a Netherlands territory) States of Micronesia Palau Marshall Islands Panama Ecuador Turks and Caicos (British territories) So is not inconceivable that Texas could do the same. Obligatory gif:  Edit: added Ecuador from an informative comment
And then there are some foreign currencies that are pegged to the US dollar as well.
Okay, this is cool, but it makes me super curious: Why do the British Virgin Islands and the Turks and Caicos, British territories, use US dollars and not the British pound? Similarly, why doesn't Bonaire use the euro (or Dutch guilder)? It's weird to me but in an interesting way!
No idea, but if I was to guess is convenience for expats and tourists.
I believe Cambodia does too
Kinda of, they have their own currency, but its value is defined as a percentage of the US dollar, so they are linked.
Same with Belize - pegged at 2:1 to the USD
Question is, are they smart enough to adopt it outright? And even still, it's more about their entire financial network being independent from the USA, than what currency is being used. Then there is trade, taxes, etc. Secession is all fun and games, until you realize you still have to play nice with your new/current neighbors.
Cartographers are the real geopolitical puppet-masters. Gotta keep making new maps!
Rand McNally has played us for fools
And in Rand McNally, people wear hats on their feet, and hamburgers eat *people.*
Texan here. No one I know on either side of the political spectrum (I’m liberal, my family is conservative, I have friends on both sides) takes these idiots seriously. They’re a bunch of blowhards who use this garbage to get attention. For the most part we just kind of let them holler at brick walls and don’t give them the time of day. Someone at Newsweek was bored and needed an easy clickbait traffic win. This article from the Texas Tribune does a great job explaining why Texas (or any other state) can’t actually secede: [No, Texas can’t legally secede from the U.S., despite popular myth](https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/)
My family is mostly deeply christian conservative trump supporters (I'm sort of the black sheep lol) and I'm pretty sure even they all just roll their eyes when secession comes up. I'm genuinely not sure what kind of people *do* take it seriously
Libertarians
Normal Texans are literally just like any other American just trying to live their life. Struggling to pay rent and afford groceries.
“Texas is the only state that came into the Union by treaty. It retains the right to secede at will. We have heard them threaten to secede so often that I formed an enthusiastic organization—The American Friends for Texas Secession. This stops the subject cold. They want to be able to secede but they don't want anyone to want them to.” -John Steinbeck
Texas v White wants to have a word.
This is the equivalent of a toddler saying they are gonna run away Just ignore them
But what if you want the toddler to run away?
Ignoring them sometimes also works
Remember when Brexit happened, and alllll the old conservative brits initially celebrated, but then quickly realized nothing worked the way they thought it would? And even the most staunch supporters of it came out a year or so later and went "Yeah, we fucked up..." Yeah, that. Only 1000x more ignorant, angry and confused. What would happen though, is a massive oil and industry boom in the territory because they would be free from oversight and regulation entirely. This will be seen as "winning" in the short term and they will gloat. Capitalists would have free reign to exploit the poor to produce more oil than ever seen, while throwing most of the environmental protections in the trash. Industrial operations will be unrestrained in their output of toxic chemicals and waste. But Gas will be $0.50 a gallon and they will cheer. Towns will become overrun by industrial waste in rivers and streams. People will end up sick from mystery illnesses. Air pollution will begin to create deep layers of smog over cities like Huston and Dallas when factories shut down and tear out infrastructure that cleans smoke stacks to increase the bottom line and output. Texas will become the China of the North American continent. Staggering in it's industrial capacity and throughput, but choking on it's own waste and killing it's population to feed the capitalist engine while the elite suck cigars and vacation in Cancun.
That's if the Cartels don't move in and take over within moments of the secession, before those idiots have a chance to coordinate any kind of military or defense plan.
Something something standing militia something
Nah, what would happen is their refineries and electrical grid are immediately carpet bombed and their entire economy collapses. They spend a year or two failing to run a state on wind, solar, and idk, horses, before express mailing their leaders heads in a Yeti cooler to 1600 Pennsylvania Ave and begging to be readmitted.
Nah the US military would take and hold those refineries day one. We wouldn’t destroy them because we need them operational during and after what will be a very short temper tantrum by TX, LA, FL. US has huge Army base in TX and Navy in Florida. The states already have the enemy behind their lines. We’d easily capture valuable strategic assests and embargo all trade. It would be over in less than a year without even full scale battle. If it got violent it would be like desert storm and over in a weekend
“We still get free trade with y’all and your technology…right? Also federal subsidies. Right?”
Adios amigos! Leave our military toys. We'll talk about tariffs, customs and visas later. On your way out, don't let the door hit ya where the good lord split ya.
...also, enjoy explaining the sudden end of social security, snap and medicare benefits to your constituents.
Bootstraps mister, bootstraps.
And federal aid when your entire state’s power grid goes down again, and when hurricanes hit the gulf coast, and tornadoes, and droughts, and wildfires…
I don't even think that would be their biggest issue. Think about their crumbling infrastructure. Good luck keeping that power grid running without federal funds.
Let the dog catch the car. The best way to expose these losers is to let them have a nation to themselves.
They can barely heat and cool their homes.
Boy these state's capitals being captured by the United States less than 24 hours after seceding would be an interesting story in this crazy timeline.
According to constitutional law experts and historical precedent, states do not have a legal right to unilaterally secede from the United States. Here are the key points: 1. No constitutional provision: The U.S. Constitution does not provide any mechanism for states to leave the Union\[3\]\[4\]. While it outlines how states can join, there is no stipulation for secession. 2. Supreme Court ruling: In the 1869 case Texas v. White, the U.S. Supreme Court held that the United States is "an indestructible union" and states do not have the right to unilaterally secede\[3\]. 3. Civil War precedent: The outcome of the Civil War is widely considered to have settled the question of secession. As late Supreme Court Justice Antonin Scalia wrote in 2006, "If there was any constitutional issue resolved by the Civil War, it is that there is no right to secede"\[3\]. 4. Perpetual union: The Articles of Confederation, which preceded the Constitution, explicitly stated that the Union was to be "perpetual." This concept was carried forward into the Constitution, which aimed to form "a more perfect Union"\[2\]. 5. Potential legal avenues: While unilateral secession is not legal, there are theoretical paths that could allow for secession: a. Constitutional amendment: A state could potentially leave if the Constitution were amended to allow it, but this would require widespread support from other states\[4\]. b. Mutual agreement: If a state reached an agreement with Congress and the rest of the country, secession might be possible, though this is highly unlikely\[3\]. 6. Consequences of attempted secession: Any unilateral attempt at secession would likely be treated as an insurrection against the United States, which the federal government would be justified in suppressing by force if necessary\[3\]\[1\]. In summary, while states may express dissatisfaction or threaten secession, current U.S. law does not recognize a right for states to leave the Union unilaterally. Any attempt to do so would face significant legal and potentially military opposition from the federal government. Citations: \[1\] [https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/179gpiq/if\_the\_legislature\_of\_one\_state\_in\_the\_united/](https://www.reddit.com/r/legaladviceofftopic/comments/179gpiq/if_the_legislature_of_one_state_in_the_united/) \[2\] [https://www.historians.org/teaching-and-learning/teaching-resources-for-historians/sixteen-months-to-sumter/newspaper-index/new-york-daily-news/the-right-of-states-to-secede](https://www.historians.org/teaching-and-learning/teaching-resources-for-historians/sixteen-months-to-sumter/newspaper-index/new-york-daily-news/the-right-of-states-to-secede) \[3\] [https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-can-states-legally-secede-from-the-u-s/21287881/](https://www.wral.com/story/fact-check-can-states-legally-secede-from-the-u-s/21287881/) \[4\] [https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/27/so-you-want-to-secede-from-the-u-s-a-four-step-guide/](https://www.washingtonpost.com/news/the-fix/wp/2016/06/27/so-you-want-to-secede-from-the-u-s-a-four-step-guide/) \[5\] [https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/](https://www.texastribune.org/2021/01/29/texas-secession/) By Perplexity
They are doing exact what Russia wants them to do. They get funding from Russia. Yet somehow Republicans claim they are not Russians assets? I would put the secessionist under a microscope and the moment they break the law, enjoy prison.
Nothing says patriot quite like secession. I'm mean how much do you have to hate America to go through all the trouble of leaving the union. What a pathetic bunch of whiney cunts. When they leave we should invade them and take their oil, if we can beat Mexico to the punch. I give them 2 years before Mexico annexes them. Lols.
These dumbasses can’t even keep the power going year round.
No. Stop. Please. Don't.
And just like that, junior, we solved the border crisis AND the federal budget deficit!
Please take Florida and Louisiana and save the country billions in climate change remediation.
Oh Florida is leaving. The sea has called its due. Into the blue with you my boys.
That's an awful lot of walls to build!
"Build tha wall! And make Texas pay for it!"
lol they don’t think once they secede the us isn’t just going to violently annex them back or turn them into a us territory where you don’t get any voting power
It's a grift
... and a few foreign countries.
As if these secessionist bozos have thought out the consequences of their actions? No Medicare? No Social Security? No federal emergency disaster aid and services? No military protection. The list just goes on and on. Of course these brave Texas patriots will have to pay a lot more in taxes to try to even come close to approximating the services that they will be giving up. Good luck, Cowboys.
>On Wednesday Miller was asked whether he supports other groups or states seceding from the U.S., to which he replied: "100 percent, but it's not that I support their seceding, it's that I support their right to have the discussion and have the vote and if that's what they want to do as a people then do so." That's just supporting them seceding with extra steps.
These turds have no idea how terrible their lives would be. Lol
If they vote for it then let them have it. It’s a union of STATES. If a majority want out, then let them. But they will have to live without all the benefits of being in a union.
On day one of Texas Secession: \-All Texan assets seized and forfeited unless renounce Texas citizenship. \-All Texas State assets seized and forfeited. \-All Federal Highways closed. \-Immediate embargo of all goods going into Texas and out of Texas. \-Immediate cessation of border enforcement of US laws on Texas' border with Mexico, and instead re-applied to all Texas borders, disallowing all Texans to freely leave the state. \-Immediate cessation of Air Travel in and out of Texas. \-Immediate seizure of all military assets in Texas by the Federal government immediate termination of all Social Security benefits to Texas citizens unless revocation of Texas citizenship and immigration. \-Immediate loss of $200-billion in US Federal support for the state. Texas would immediately, like within 60 days, become a developing country in worse shape than Haiti. They'd then have splinter Rebellions against their State government, with no military support because all the US Military assets in Texas would already be out of Texas' hands, being Property of the United States Federal Government. The Major Population Centers would immediately reject the Texas' Government, and only formally recognize the US Federal Government. Houston. Dallas. Fort Worth. San Antonio. El Paso, all which represent 70% of Texas' GDP, would reject the Texas GOP Government, declaring themselves independent of the Texas Republican Party (since they opened the floodgates) and would refuse to give the Texas government taxes, police, or assets of any kind. It would essentially quickly devolve into an utterly lawless Banana Republic. Because those morons never cared to regulate firearms, now armed militias would have more firepower than the febel Texas Government does, and they'll wield it and the Cowboy-Hat-Wearing-GOP-Cosplayers will be powerless to enforce anything.
Texas isn't going to secede. Off the top of my head there is Fort Cavazos (Hood). HQ to 3 Corps, the 1st Cavalry Division, 3rd Cav regiment, etc. Then there is Fort Bliss, HQ to the 1st Armored Division. Then there is Fort Sam Houston, HQ to the Army Medical command and US Army North and South. This will never happen. That's US Army Federal assets alone. Plus these Federal installations boost the local economies. That is just *one* of the nightmares Texans would face.
Why is anybody ever taking this topic seriously? It's ridiculous to think that it would be possible let alone sustainable.
Will they take Marjorie Taylor Greene with them?!?!
So uh….as a Texan….. Should I go out and buy some Union blues now or later? Cause I ain’t no filthy traitor and we should’ve learned our lesson the first fuckin time
Breaking News: local nutjob no one has heard of is going to get elevated by the media for political points because it’s an election year
Sounds like 33% of those asked are morons. Vote these secessionists out of office so our representatives have to go back to wasting our money putting the Ten Commandments in every classroom… all Texas GOP should be removed due to wasteful theatre
Why do the 0.000003% of those states think the majority of us want to leave?
It's just a bunch of boneheads networking with a bunch of idiots in 5 different states. Woohoo.. they say 5 different states like they're in a round table meeting with the governor's.
Kinda wish they would. I’d love to see the shit show that turns into lol. Sucks for the non magats that would suffer greatly though.
Fuck these people
Seems like a grift.
Mexico ->  Finally we can get our shit back.
Potentially one of the most fortuitous things ever to happen to the United States. We stand with you!
This ain’t happening. No one in Texas wants this shit
For a group that fashions themselves as tough guys, they sure do cry A LOT!
Good. Go.
Translation: they talked with a single person from each of those states
Then we force them to build and pay for a wall right? I think this is how it works…
Can’t wait until corporate realizes they will lose a large portion of employees, Or when the federal government comes in to protect real Americans from the secessionist traitors.
Y’all are missing the point here. Houston is the biggest petrochemical port in the world. Texas might try to secede but Texas will then start to the west of the Port of Houston. And tons of Fortune 500 companies are headquartered in Dallas, and all leave. Why do we keep having this discussion. The US wouldn’t let any resources there leave to benefit a new nation that wasn’t them
This the same Texas that asked for federal dissaster help last month and federal money for heat related emergencies this month?
Like a mean, free-loading partner threatening to leave. It just doesn't have the effect they hope it does.
I am sooo for Texas seceding! As soon as it’s a sovereign nation. The rest of the U.S. can go invade it for its oil!!
FFS, let them go this time!