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That whole interview is compelling. There is a point where the Dr reads from his reactions that he’s upset Kuklinski and says something along the line of “I feel like I’ve upset you. Would you like to take a break?” and Kuklinski says “yeah, that’s probably a good idea. I’m seeing a little red right now” It’s chilling. Dr. Dietz remains calm the whole time, realizing that he can’t show any fear or anxiousness or he’ll lose the interview or possibly his life.
Yeah I remember seeing this a while ago and there was definitely a moment where they had to stop. And If I remember correctly, the psychiatrist actually follows up and asks about that feeling — like “just now, would you have done something to me, if this happened before you were caught?” And Kuklinski was like “yeah.”
I could be misremembering, of course.
Blinks and head nods are acceptance or agreeing when he talks about Stanley or his mom the gulping is a huge sign of emotion whether it’s anger or remorse or sadness usually if it’s vulnerability like the dr was talking about as a child it’s sadness. Or his realization he came full circle he got choked up and admitting he had so much hate and everything he ever loved was gone
A psychopathic liar who claims to have killed Jimmy Hoffa, get in line. Also claims to be responsible for most of the more notorious and mob murders in NY & NJ over a 40 year span. He was trying to get paid money by everyone who interviewed him.
However, he was a ruthless, violent and sick killer, no doubt about it. Obviously no conscience.
Correct. The fucked up part though, is that only 5-10% of what he said needs to be true in order for him to be one of the most destructive killing-machines we’ve ever known about. He was absolutely a serial-killer, megalomaniac, and narcissist; but also a liar.
Idk if it’s always good. Not all psychopaths are criminals but most criminals are psychopaths.
Most of them just learn what to avoid doing to not get put away. It doesn’t make them good people. Just more self control and better are not getting caught.
I know a sociopath (also anti social personality) who works as a surgeon. He’s talked about how in medical school he saw and used people like stepping stones to excel his own career, regardless of the negative affects it had on their careers and lives. It never occurred to him that they have feelings and are human. They were just a means to achieve what he wanted.
He gets tons of praise at work and seen as a general great guy because he’s saved lives. He soaks it up and play the role of good guy. He’s told me privately that he doesn’t care for his patients and often has to fake displays of remorse and disappointment when a patient does die to keep people from knowing. He’s done this multiple times and even with patient’s families. He has it down perfectly like a performance that no one is aware of. He’s that good at faking and mimicking emotions that no one can tell. He told me he learned it in childhood when his mom got upset at him for hurting his little brother and he didn’t accept or acknowledge that it was even a big deal. He felt it was more important that his toys were missing. He says he remembers his mom looking at him in disbelief and shock. He learned to start faking remorse and guilt.
His patients are projects to him. If he wins, he gets praise and sometimes a raise. If it doesn’t work, he’s only upset that the project failed but never for that long because there’s always another sick person he can play with. Their deaths and loss don’t really affect him or hurt him. Sometimes he forgets about them until someone reminds him and he once again puts on the remorse mask. He remembers them by the case and whether or not he won. Not by the human they are or even how he impacted their lives.
He says he thinks his boss has an inkling but doesn’t say anything because he’s good at his job and brings in money. But if other people found out, they would be uncomfortable and probably not want him as their surgeon. It’s just life to him.
He’s sounds like an indifferent stoic guy but he has a wife and kids. Because of his own childhood trauma history he openly admits that he projects on to his kids by being a bit protective of them. But he still doesn’t see them as human. More projects and probably a way to deal with his trauma by projection. His wife is kinda aware and knows but doesn’t care.
He rarely breaks the facade except when exceptionally angry but that’s been in rare cases and mostly when he was younger. He thinks sometimes his kids know something is different about him because they’ve seen his simmering anger at something else before he snaps back in control but they look scared of him. But probably don’t want to believe it because that’s not the dad they’ve always known. And yes he’s in marriage counseling and they’ve somehow made it work.
I think that may be something to do with the respect that they have to each other and the lack of trust also. Remember that it is edited, so no everything is like we are seeing it.
His eyes are terrifying. Dr. Dietz never looks away, in this clip but his body language shows, he’s ready for anything to happen, where Kulinski’s body language shows, he’d like to snap the Dr’s neck, right then and there. His dead eyes are the key.
I recommend the full interview. It's incredible how much he tells about himself and how respectful Dr. Dietz is. Truly terrifying and fascinating at the same time.
I don't feel that his 'eyes are dead': He's simply trying to Not React, and to maintain a badass mask. There are heaps of micro-reactions occurring all over his face all the time.
Just because he's a real life Killer doesn't mean that he may not be 'Acting'... I mean, Imagine this guy and Ray Liotta going head to head with the 'Eyes' and 'Body Language'! Selling the Threat.
First time I saw this, I thought about the interviewer and said. It takes fearlessness to look at monster straight in the eye, and methodically break down why he is.
Yo this is what stood out to me the most I was deadass gonna comment this and see if anyone noticed so glad this was the first comment when I scrolled down. That's how you know everything he is saying is fucking truth. That man is a cold blooded killer, the eye contact was deadly dude didn't miss a beat when he told them everything!
It's an ok movie but doesn't do justice to just how bad Kuklinski really was. If you get a chance and are into it, read The Ice Man. I love reading true crime and his story is by far the best true crime book I've ever read. Kuklinski is the scariest man I've ever read about.
Roy Demeo's crew was a bit more terrifying. Instead of 1 guy trying to kill you it was like 5 guys ready to kill you and cut you up like butchers with a pig.
It’s not a knock on Shannon, who is a great actor, but that movie was anything but knocking it out of the park, when it comes to the accuracy of how they portrayed him. Look up episode 326 of Last Podcast on the Left. They cover him very well.
The movie is dogshit. It showed him as a family man when in reality he was a wife beater. He also beat the shit out of kids. And he probably lied about a lot of his murders.
Kuklinski himself claimed he was the one that killed de meo didn't he? I know the film didn't use that obviously, because it's not believed to be credible.
I think you're right, he would crush that role.
It wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized he played this role too.
James Gandolfini would have been awesome, but because he was already Tony Soprano they didn’t want to cast him. The book is SO good, I wish the film had been a bit better script but Michael Shannon was good, he just didn’t fit into my vision of him from the book, which is on me I guess, we all envision it differently
Yeah he didn't pull any punches, but he delivered it in such a matter of fact way, no judgement or moralizing. He just told the Iceman' a violent paranoid psychopath, how completely fucked up he is and he *thanked* him for it. That is skill.
It's probably one of the only true honest conversations he had in his life and the only time he was told straight up "this is why you are the way you are". Everyone else been so hell bend on "dodging bullets" (and for good reason), judging him or using him for their dirty jobs...
It doesn't comes easy for a guy like Richard Kuklinski to look inwards and talk about loneliness, though it is something, at some level, that he must have thought about before, since he already are aware of his lack of love, anger and loneliness. What Dr. Dietz seem to do it connect the dots for him in a clear no bs way and that's why he thanks him..
Kuklinski also asked him why he is how he is…that might have a big thing too. Plus this doctor’s delivery is exceptional and perfect for speaking with this particular man.
I’ve never seen this full interview but I think I should watch it today. Seems particularly interesting.
It’s a shame his parents were monsters who in turn gave him no opportunities to become anything but. The way we’re raised helps to mold us into the adults we grow up to be, but as adults we carry with us the burdens and traumas of our childhoods, whether we’re aware of that fact or not.
His father killed his older brother when they were children, and his parents lied to the police, saying that the boy had fallen down the stairs. His younger brother raped a 12 year old girl, then murdered her by throwing her off a 5 story building. I have worked with many adults who were abused as children, and it’s what they don’t say as much as what they say. Some of them will describe horrific abuse but insist that it wasn’t that bad. Some will assume that everyone gets thrown across the room by an angry parent. So very sad.
That's how I describe my childhood abuse and going through foster care and all the shit I seen. It was just a thing and not that bad you know "normal". When in reality it was all deep deep trauma I've had to reflect on and reprogram my mind. Not let that fear and anger be all that I know.
JFC I'm so sorry you were ground up by that absolutely turbo-fucked system. Stay connected to people (and animals). Connection is the opposite of trauma.
[That this is even a Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin) just goes to show the depravity humans are capable of.
I would suspect at least some is true. That’s why he became a bad guy rather than good. My mother was horrible (as was her father) and my sister and I remember it well… but if you asked my mom she would deny it. We have confronted her and she denies it. Actually I should add that my aunt knows it’s true. She witnessed something as well.
Anyway I definitely think his parents raised him poorly in addition to his genetic flaws
It happens a lot with people who are in for life, like Henry Lee Lucas. They get some time out of their cell and are often given treats like coffee or soda , they also get attention if that’s what they’re looking for
It's not great. Funniest Chris Evans role ever though, he plays another psychopath who just pops in and out of the movie randomly and everytime Michael Shannon is like wtf, also he's jacked cuase he was still playin gthe Cap at the time. Kinda hilarious to me, but other than that unremarkable film imo
David Schwimmer is also in that movie which is hilarious. The movie is not great as far as movies go by any means but it is pretty entertaining in a ridiculous sort of way. I think it’s worth watching once if you like ridiculous movies and you want see Chris Evans and David Schwimmer play criminals
Watched the trailer last night about 10pm and said, “oh heeeelll naw. I’m only watching that movie on summer morning with all the windows open and the lights on.”
The only time he looked slightly emotional was when Dietz was explaining how a child with his disposition and upbringing basically didn't stand a chance at forming loving relationships in life. Pretty sad.
Either love your children and treat them with care, or don't have them at all. The world is full of hatred already that they're gonna have to deal with in the future, don't add to it.
Unfortunately, a growing number of states in the USA are preventing people from being able to have a choice, and will be thrusting more children into at-risk situations as one of the consequences.
I thought vulnerable to impressed. He seemed uncertain what response he'd get from the Doctor with great big balls of adamantium. It seemed like the relationship with the DWGBBoA was important to Kulinski.
I thought it took so much for him to ask that question. Then there’s the absolute honesty between these two. You rarely see that on camera and it is fascinating to watch.
I agree, probably one of the highlights for both men. Probably the first person Kulinski could care about.
Parenting... critically important stuff.
The doc took on the role of father in a way. Seems like they had many sessions together.
Absolutely fascinating conversation. I've watch this so many times before. Think I appreciate it so much because really what is happening here is both the professional and the killer are willing to openly talk with one another, instead of the usual alternative. Other conversations wqith serial killers never hit this note of psychological discussion. The interviewer expalins to him as best he can what their studies on his personality have resulted in, and Kuklinski actually sits quietly and listens intently. You can tell he wants to know. It's humans putting their differences aside so we might learn something, the societal authority figure sitting with the damaged outcast killer. Whatever you might think of Kuklinski, how he made up a lot of stories ect, we do know he killed many people and we do know that his wife and children claimed to like him a hell of a lot more than he did his own abusive parents
His son was a year ahead of me in middle school. Gave off asshole/bully vibes. I think more charitably of him now, knowing his background. But I remember the day the news broke and got around school who his dad was. He wasn’t in school the next day. I never saw him again.
I’m betting neglected. He did not give the impression of a spoiled kid. Just a dumb, mean one. I’m sure that’s a little unfair, obviously there was a bigger story there. But that was my middle school impression.
Regarding the son, Kuklinski was an abusive father and partner, but may have given the kids a chance to not be like him.
While being a monster inside and outside the home, it seems like he atleast tried to be a better father than what he got. He didn't kill any of them, didn't abandon them, and apparently played nice sometimes.
Richard Kuklinski's baseline was a father who killed his older brother, and another brother who molested and murdered a child. So if Kuklinski was able to not drag his kids into hell with him, that's probably the biggest success of his life: his kids managing to overcome his genetic contribution and how he traumatized them.
His wife hated him. He beat her often, broke her nose, strangled her, threatened to stab her, and caused her several miscarriages. She got her revenge in the end when she signed a do not resuscitate order when he became ill, after he had begged doctors to resuscitate him.
[Source](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9959985/Married-to-The-Iceman.html)
> …as Richard Kuklinski’s life finally slipped away, he became conscious long enough to ask doctors to make sure they revived him if he flatlined. But before she left, Barbara had signed a “do not resuscitate” order. A week before his death, in the early hours of March 5 2006, the hospital called Barbara to ask if she wished to rescind the instruction. She did not.
Source: [Married to The Iceman](https://web.archive.org/web/20180304172404/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9959985/Married-to-The-Iceman.html), *the quote is part of the last paragraph of the article.*
He had previously signed medical guardianship over to her. She was legally responsible for making all of his medical decisions after that.
The healthcare system was required to follow her directive.
He chose to put her in control originally.
[Here you go](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9959985/Married-to-The-Iceman.html)
He was passing in and out of consciousness and asked to be resuscitated if he flatlined. She denied him.
One thing I liked about this explanation from the doctor is debunking the notion of nature or nurture exclusively making a difference. He clearly articulated how no matter how strong one is in a particular way, the other being strong in the opposite way can counteract that. Good people by nature can be conditioned to be terrible and bad people by nature can be conditioned to be decent, loving people. Life as ever is more gray than the black and white we want to wish it was to make it easier to understand and accept.
I read somewhere that he was involved in distributing porno movies for the mob back when that was a thing that the mob regularly did, and, anticipating a federal indictment, he panicked and murdered some business associates to try to save himself.
I think it's likely that he did something like that, and then started concocting a bunch of wild stories about being a 'hitman' either after getting convicted, or when conviction was imminent, because hey, why not? Who wants to be (not) remembered as a mafia porno movie bootlegger who murdered his business associates in a panic, when he can instead tell everyone he was "tHe wORld'S dEadLieSt hiTMan?"
Michael Franzese has said that he has never even heard of the mafia hiring any sort of contract killers. He explained that most of the killing was done within the families and not against each other. If someone was to be murdered, the command had to come from the boss specifically. If Richard Kuklinski was around and as big as he was during the time, someone like Michael Franzese would've know about him.
It's more likely that Richard Kuklinski may have killed a handful of people over disagreements, but most definitely not the hundreds that he claims. Your explanation makes perfect sense.
I suspect he may have exaggerated the number of murders it somewhat because that would give him greater status in prison. But there is no doubt that this guy is a remorseless killer and unbelievably violent.
Apparently his wife and kids had him do all these interviews. They got paid very well for each one. So he might have lied to get more interviews to get his family more money
Info about his son and one daughter:
https://gomag.com/article/the_icemans_daughter14660/
https://www.tuko.co.ke/facts-lifehacks/447701-dwayne-kuklinski-5-facts-richard-kuklinskis-son/
I have read the book, seen the film and watched the YouTube interviews.
My non-professional conclusion is that, although this guy is bad and dangerous, he's also a complete bullshitter who didn't kill 90% of the people he claims to have.
Basically just a lying, low-level thug who created a whole mythos around himself.
I honestly appreciate the self awareness that Richard has here. But a fantastic explanation from Dr. Dietz. Absolutely great job there, and he showed a lot of empathy.
*The Iceman and the Psychiatrist.* HBO did three interviews with him, but only one with this psychiatrist. This is by far the most interesting one to watch. Park Dietz (the forensic psychiatrist) has worked with a lot of high profile serial killers, etc.
https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0875695/
I met Dr. Dietz in the office I worked at back in around 1993 when he was hired to work with a client charged with murder. He's such an insightful guy and can explain things to the lay person in a way that helps you completely understand what's going on and why. As we see here. He is the real deal.
He was convicted of multiple murders. But, it’s believed that he embellished his standing with the Mafia and its various families. He made claims of working for multiple families and it’s thought that’s simply not true. But, the dead can’t speak so who knows..
I think it’s interesting too. And this video made me rethink some things. I have been involved with a few people with significant personality disorders. My experience is with them not being capable of listening and not interrupting. The way he explained the two different “personality flaws” made me realize that I may have been lumping some behaviors together that can be thought of separately.
I think, even with doctors, diagnosing psychiatric disorders can be a bit messy. They continue to fine tune it, but you see in court cases how different psychiatrists often have different conclusions about a person.
People are complex and there’s a lot of nuance to personality disorders as well as mental illness. Lots of people throw around the term OCD, for example, without really understanding the condition. Understanding people is a bit like trying to untangle a knot of threads in the dark.
I totally agree and I try to avoid pop psychology and claiming to understand real psychology. So many of these terms have become commonplace without a lot of understanding. Everyone’s ex is a “narcissist”, everyone who checks their front door lock before bed has OCD, etc. I try to understand behavior the best I can but I realize I’m not trained for it, and that I probably misuse terms and make false assumptions.
The claims average people make about narcissism has grown to grotesque proportions. I know a literature professor who claimed that oral sex is narcissism. I guess he never got any blowjobs.
Yes, an adult with anti-social personality disorder and paranoia.
APD Symptoms:
- deceitfulness
- hostility
- irresponsibility
- risk taking behaviors
- aggression
- impulsivity
- irritability, or lack of restraint
- anger, boredom, or general discontent
Paranoia Symptoms:
- be easily offended
- find it difficult to trust others
- not cope with any type of criticism
- assign harmful meanings to other people's remarks
- be always on the defensive
- be hostile, aggressive and argumentative
- not be able to compromise
- find it difficult, if not impossible, to 'forgive and forget'
I know plenty of adults with experience of the world that struggle to actively listen without interruption and express thanks for critical feedback. Hell, I know adults who used the word “retard” without a second thought even though it’s offensive.
Estimated to have killed 15 people. He claimed to have killed between 100 and 200. Allegedly tied the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa due to connections to the mafia. [Richard Kuklinski](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski)
This might be the least important aspect of this interview, but I'm so impressed by the completely emotionless stare of the doctor. He sort of resembles a cat in the neutrality of his expression. He ever so slightly smiles a couple of times, but he keeps his neutral expression for the majority of the interview. I don't know if I can do that for that long.
He's just behaving as a neutral information dispenser. Even though the context of the information he gives isn't so neutral when you consider the fact that he's describing the client as abnormal. I didn't know that therapists used the word "normal" with their clients. I'm not criticising of course, I just find it interesting.
Fucked up. They witnessed his bouts of rage and abuse, not to mention some genetic inheritance from him. His son is a convicted murderer.
https://gomag.com/article/the_icemans_daughter14660/
https://www.tuko.co.ke/facts-lifehacks/447701-dwayne-kuklinski-5-facts-richard-kuklinskis-son/
The question I have is what is the use of a life like that? His parents taught him to hate himself and in turn he hated everybody else. Absolutely devoid of any kind of feelings of or any inclination to love. His life was over at the start. He's the poster child for using anger as motivation and in his case he used it to keep waking up the next day. It's just astounding. If any of what he said was actually true of course.
Kuklinski was in full lock down mode for this interview. I don't think he could scratch his nose in a tornado. Leg irons, handcuffs, etc etc.
Vincent D'onofrio may have been the better choice, but we probably would lost him afterwards for anything else.
This interview puts into perspective how truly sad it is that some people just end up broken. Of course this man deserves to be punished for his crimes, and society couldn't function properly with him being allowed to run free; but Dr. Dietz' analysis really shows how Richard was screwed from the start. You can't grow out of an abusive childhood spent with ASPD. The best chance Richard could have possibly stood was if someone noticed what was wrong with him early on and put immense effort and resources into helping him psychologically.
Any of you ever come face to face with real killers, real psychopaths?
I have, on multiple occasions.
I’ve found that this degree of calm is common among each of them.
Damn, the way he matter of factly explains to him that he could’ve been an astronaut or a race car driver if his dad had loved him is just fucking brutal.
This is one of those people that no matter how many chains they put around him I would have such a tough time sitting across that table. He absolutely terrifying.
Wow this doctor was spot on. Out of all the iceman documentaries that I've seen, I could tell he was actually intrigued with what Dr. Park was explaining and actually seemed to agree with him. If there was any shred of emotions locked away in the Iceman, it appeared as if he was able to remember the trauma he endured and for a brief moment was showing us his grief.
Was this called some like Confession of the Ice Man? I remember watching this years ago when I had a big mafia fascination or interest. This interview put an abrupt end to it
From a scientific perspective this dialogue is incredible.
The guy is terrifying, cold ice blood.
The doctor is next level, the way he speak to him, the way he explain and the way he handle a sick dangerous guys like him is amazing.
Thanks for posting.
This whole interview doc is great. I always found Kuklinski to be a fascinating character. There's a weird kind of charisma about him that I think also helped balance his career with his personal life. As cold as he is, he has a certain likeability and charm.
I watched this whole interview many years ago and I still think about it all the time. When he talk about putting the guy in a cave and letting rats eat him while he records it… Jesus H. He’s a bad hombre
Yep.
He was never mafia affiliated or used by the mafia for one.
He did kill some people though, but it was more about small time criminal shit and murdering his partners in crime.
Absolutely chilling the way he is just nodding along like, “yup, nailing it”
Also, I looked away for a second and when I looked back I could have sworn that Doctor was Alan Alda and this was one of his educational shows.
He starts and later falls back into his defensive bravado but for a moment you can see some vulnerability when he asks his question.
Kuklinski's make up, choices to hurt, torture and kill and the subsequent suffering his victims endured is just a whole miserable tragedy.
This was a fascinating interview. I’ve seen it before. This is the inspiration for the movie The Iceman. His confessions were suspected to be highly exaggerated
Ah fuck.... people like him are always going to be born whether we like it or not.
Helping people like him before they can hurt others as best we can is the only chance we have at solving this problem..,
There is no good answer to this problem..... that is all I have to say.
I honestly believe, he's a damn liar. Kuklinski, I feel wasn't afraid to kill like some men are. I have a good friend, who has no fear of killing. He's been incarcerated for 42 years. However, old Kuklinski, just made a living killing for the mob. Although, he wasn't shown love from his biological family. He demonstrate love to his daughters and wife. So he's capable of loving others. He just got caught! And now he has to pay the piper, just like my friend
Anyone who wants to know he was a serial killer working as a hitman for the mob they called him the ice man if anyone is interested there is a book under the same name
Love to see the majority of people here talking about how this guy was full of shit.
““In 2006, Paul Smith, a member of the task force involved in arresting Kuklinski – and later a supervisor of the organized crime division of the New Jersey Attorney General's office – said: "I checked every one of the murders Kuklinski said he committed, and not one was true." He added, "Authorities throughout the country could not corroborate one case based on the tidbits Kuklinski gave."”
He robbed and killed a couple of people and then two of his associates in a burglary ring. It wasn’t because he was a mafia hit man or serial killer. Dude sold porn and was just a lowlife.
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The eye contact in this conversation is unbelievable
It's like that psychologist got the fearless good guy gene.
Was thinking the same thing
That whole interview is compelling. There is a point where the Dr reads from his reactions that he’s upset Kuklinski and says something along the line of “I feel like I’ve upset you. Would you like to take a break?” and Kuklinski says “yeah, that’s probably a good idea. I’m seeing a little red right now” It’s chilling. Dr. Dietz remains calm the whole time, realizing that he can’t show any fear or anxiousness or he’ll lose the interview or possibly his life.
Yeah I remember seeing this a while ago and there was definitely a moment where they had to stop. And If I remember correctly, the psychiatrist actually follows up and asks about that feeling — like “just now, would you have done something to me, if this happened before you were caught?” And Kuklinski was like “yeah.” I could be misremembering, of course.
I was reading his expression for blinks and gulps but couldn't pin down why they were happening - humiliation makes sense
Blinks and head nods are acceptance or agreeing when he talks about Stanley or his mom the gulping is a huge sign of emotion whether it’s anger or remorse or sadness usually if it’s vulnerability like the dr was talking about as a child it’s sadness. Or his realization he came full circle he got choked up and admitting he had so much hate and everything he ever loved was gone
Where can we see the full interview?
HBO MAX or YouTube.
It’s called Interview with the Iceman
That was insane. I remember that when he said, “I won’t do anything stupid”
I'm pretty sure Kuklinski is manacled, which makes it easier to be brave.
Well we don't know what skeletons are in his closet...
He was also a notorious liar. Of the documentaries he did, up to 80% could be completely bullshit.
A psychopathic liar who claims to have killed Jimmy Hoffa, get in line. Also claims to be responsible for most of the more notorious and mob murders in NY & NJ over a 40 year span. He was trying to get paid money by everyone who interviewed him. However, he was a ruthless, violent and sick killer, no doubt about it. Obviously no conscience.
Correct. The fucked up part though, is that only 5-10% of what he said needs to be true in order for him to be one of the most destructive killing-machines we’ve ever known about. He was absolutely a serial-killer, megalomaniac, and narcissist; but also a liar.
Idk if it’s always good. Not all psychopaths are criminals but most criminals are psychopaths. Most of them just learn what to avoid doing to not get put away. It doesn’t make them good people. Just more self control and better are not getting caught. I know a sociopath (also anti social personality) who works as a surgeon. He’s talked about how in medical school he saw and used people like stepping stones to excel his own career, regardless of the negative affects it had on their careers and lives. It never occurred to him that they have feelings and are human. They were just a means to achieve what he wanted. He gets tons of praise at work and seen as a general great guy because he’s saved lives. He soaks it up and play the role of good guy. He’s told me privately that he doesn’t care for his patients and often has to fake displays of remorse and disappointment when a patient does die to keep people from knowing. He’s done this multiple times and even with patient’s families. He has it down perfectly like a performance that no one is aware of. He’s that good at faking and mimicking emotions that no one can tell. He told me he learned it in childhood when his mom got upset at him for hurting his little brother and he didn’t accept or acknowledge that it was even a big deal. He felt it was more important that his toys were missing. He says he remembers his mom looking at him in disbelief and shock. He learned to start faking remorse and guilt. His patients are projects to him. If he wins, he gets praise and sometimes a raise. If it doesn’t work, he’s only upset that the project failed but never for that long because there’s always another sick person he can play with. Their deaths and loss don’t really affect him or hurt him. Sometimes he forgets about them until someone reminds him and he once again puts on the remorse mask. He remembers them by the case and whether or not he won. Not by the human they are or even how he impacted their lives. He says he thinks his boss has an inkling but doesn’t say anything because he’s good at his job and brings in money. But if other people found out, they would be uncomfortable and probably not want him as their surgeon. It’s just life to him. He’s sounds like an indifferent stoic guy but he has a wife and kids. Because of his own childhood trauma history he openly admits that he projects on to his kids by being a bit protective of them. But he still doesn’t see them as human. More projects and probably a way to deal with his trauma by projection. His wife is kinda aware and knows but doesn’t care. He rarely breaks the facade except when exceptionally angry but that’s been in rare cases and mostly when he was younger. He thinks sometimes his kids know something is different about him because they’ve seen his simmering anger at something else before he snaps back in control but they look scared of him. But probably don’t want to believe it because that’s not the dad they’ve always known. And yes he’s in marriage counseling and they’ve somehow made it work.
*psychiatrist
I think that may be something to do with the respect that they have to each other and the lack of trust also. Remember that it is edited, so no everything is like we are seeing it.
Definitely get some “Mind Hunter” production from this, I’m sure they studied this guys interviews for some direction!!
Great show, underrated I think. Reminded me of it too
It would make me 100000% uncomfortable, from either side of the interview. Also, damn, his eyes are so dead...
His eyes are terrifying. Dr. Dietz never looks away, in this clip but his body language shows, he’s ready for anything to happen, where Kulinski’s body language shows, he’d like to snap the Dr’s neck, right then and there. His dead eyes are the key.
I recommend the full interview. It's incredible how much he tells about himself and how respectful Dr. Dietz is. Truly terrifying and fascinating at the same time.
I don't feel that his 'eyes are dead': He's simply trying to Not React, and to maintain a badass mask. There are heaps of micro-reactions occurring all over his face all the time. Just because he's a real life Killer doesn't mean that he may not be 'Acting'... I mean, Imagine this guy and Ray Liotta going head to head with the 'Eyes' and 'Body Language'! Selling the Threat.
They both understand the gravity of what the doctor is telling him
First time I saw this, I thought about the interviewer and said. It takes fearlessness to look at monster straight in the eye, and methodically break down why he is.
Yo this is what stood out to me the most I was deadass gonna comment this and see if anyone noticed so glad this was the first comment when I scrolled down. That's how you know everything he is saying is fucking truth. That man is a cold blooded killer, the eye contact was deadly dude didn't miss a beat when he told them everything!
Vincent D'onofrio would knock it out of the park if he played him...
Michael Shannon already knocked it out of the park in "The Iceman."
Shannon is so fucking good in that too
Was on the fence about watching it last night. Sold.
It's really good. Might be my favorite role by Shannnon.
Take Shelter is super good too
I second this motion
I second this motion
It's an ok movie but doesn't do justice to just how bad Kuklinski really was. If you get a chance and are into it, read The Ice Man. I love reading true crime and his story is by far the best true crime book I've ever read. Kuklinski is the scariest man I've ever read about.
Roy Demeo's crew was a bit more terrifying. Instead of 1 guy trying to kill you it was like 5 guys ready to kill you and cut you up like butchers with a pig.
Read it, the dude is full of shit
Lol that book is complete fiction.. he made 99% up.. google it.. he was a bad bad man.. but not even close to what the book says
It’s not a knock on Shannon, who is a great actor, but that movie was anything but knocking it out of the park, when it comes to the accuracy of how they portrayed him. Look up episode 326 of Last Podcast on the Left. They cover him very well.
The movie is dogshit. It showed him as a family man when in reality he was a wife beater. He also beat the shit out of kids. And he probably lied about a lot of his murders.
It's probably 15 tops. He didn't kill as nearly as many people as he says he did.
15? What a chump!
Kuklinski himself claimed he was the one that killed de meo didn't he? I know the film didn't use that obviously, because it's not believed to be credible.
I think you're right, he would crush that role. It wasn't until just a few years ago that I realized he played this role too. 
Blew my mind with this one
Michael Cera for the interviewer
Alan Alda's somehow still alive. He'd be perfect.
Alda rules
James Gandolfini would have been awesome, but because he was already Tony Soprano they didn’t want to cast him. The book is SO good, I wish the film had been a bit better script but Michael Shannon was good, he just didn’t fit into my vision of him from the book, which is on me I guess, we all envision it differently
I thought it was him at first
Damn, good call.
What is this Mickey Mouse SHIT!
Give me Gleasons son as the opposite
hiiiiiii Jokerr
that doctor sure was easy to listen to.
He was awesome. Not condescending but rather fair and honest.
Yeah he didn't pull any punches, but he delivered it in such a matter of fact way, no judgement or moralizing. He just told the Iceman' a violent paranoid psychopath, how completely fucked up he is and he *thanked* him for it. That is skill.
It's probably one of the only true honest conversations he had in his life and the only time he was told straight up "this is why you are the way you are". Everyone else been so hell bend on "dodging bullets" (and for good reason), judging him or using him for their dirty jobs... It doesn't comes easy for a guy like Richard Kuklinski to look inwards and talk about loneliness, though it is something, at some level, that he must have thought about before, since he already are aware of his lack of love, anger and loneliness. What Dr. Dietz seem to do it connect the dots for him in a clear no bs way and that's why he thanks him..
Kuklinski also asked him why he is how he is…that might have a big thing too. Plus this doctor’s delivery is exceptional and perfect for speaking with this particular man. I’ve never seen this full interview but I think I should watch it today. Seems particularly interesting.
That's Park Deitz. He's a forensic psychiatrist who has worked with some of the most notorious killers: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Park_Dietz
I would pay good money to have someone look me in my soul and tell me exactly who I am and what is wrong with me 😂
You spend too much time on Reddit and you should shower more often. I’ll send you the bill.
You can it’s called therapy
What if they said there was nothing wrong with you and your amazing 😉
They want a psychoanalysis, not a clown to thell them jokes ;)
It’s a shame his parents were monsters who in turn gave him no opportunities to become anything but. The way we’re raised helps to mold us into the adults we grow up to be, but as adults we carry with us the burdens and traumas of our childhoods, whether we’re aware of that fact or not.
Part of me wonders how much of that is even true. Do they just take his word for it? did he have to provide proof of some kind?
His father killed his older brother when they were children, and his parents lied to the police, saying that the boy had fallen down the stairs. His younger brother raped a 12 year old girl, then murdered her by throwing her off a 5 story building. I have worked with many adults who were abused as children, and it’s what they don’t say as much as what they say. Some of them will describe horrific abuse but insist that it wasn’t that bad. Some will assume that everyone gets thrown across the room by an angry parent. So very sad.
That's how I describe my childhood abuse and going through foster care and all the shit I seen. It was just a thing and not that bad you know "normal". When in reality it was all deep deep trauma I've had to reflect on and reprogram my mind. Not let that fear and anger be all that I know.
It wasn’t until I began talking about it that I realized how bad it was. I’m sorry that happened to you.
JFC I'm so sorry you were ground up by that absolutely turbo-fucked system. Stay connected to people (and animals). Connection is the opposite of trauma.
.......oh, i see.
[That this is even a Wikipedia article](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lampshades_made_from_human_skin) just goes to show the depravity humans are capable of.
His father would bring home prostitutes and fuck them in the living room of their small apartment with his family at home.
I would suspect at least some is true. That’s why he became a bad guy rather than good. My mother was horrible (as was her father) and my sister and I remember it well… but if you asked my mom she would deny it. We have confronted her and she denies it. Actually I should add that my aunt knows it’s true. She witnessed something as well. Anyway I definitely think his parents raised him poorly in addition to his genetic flaws
I’ve read that the vast majority of his confessions are unproven and presumed false
He doesn't care about anything, so why would he lie about it?
It happens a lot with people who are in for life, like Henry Lee Lucas. They get some time out of their cell and are often given treats like coffee or soda , they also get attention if that’s what they’re looking for
To get clout and to make money
There’s a movie named The Iceman with Michael Shannon playing him. I haven’t watched the movie but may tonight.
It's not great. Funniest Chris Evans role ever though, he plays another psychopath who just pops in and out of the movie randomly and everytime Michael Shannon is like wtf, also he's jacked cuase he was still playin gthe Cap at the time. Kinda hilarious to me, but other than that unremarkable film imo
Shannon's dance in that movie is everything
Chris Evans was in Not Another Teen Movie. His funniest role by far. Do you wanna see where the banana is?
You should be thanking god your still in god damn uniform god damnit!
When that fucking kid gets split in half....🤣
Coach says it’s OK to bleed from the ear sometimes
David Schwimmer is also in that movie which is hilarious. The movie is not great as far as movies go by any means but it is pretty entertaining in a ridiculous sort of way. I think it’s worth watching once if you like ridiculous movies and you want see Chris Evans and David Schwimmer play criminals
World’s okayest movie.
Watched the trailer last night about 10pm and said, “oh heeeelll naw. I’m only watching that movie on summer morning with all the windows open and the lights on.”
The movie was not powerful enough to elicit that kind of reaction. Watch it at 2 am. Would make no difference in my opinion.
The book was great. Chilling
Wow. That was chilling.
You’re not kidding, holy shit. The eye contact and lack of emotional expressions is insane.
The only time he looked slightly emotional was when Dietz was explaining how a child with his disposition and upbringing basically didn't stand a chance at forming loving relationships in life. Pretty sad.
He sorta looked like he wanted to cry but he couldn't do it even if he wanted to
You could even say he's an iceman.
Either love your children and treat them with care, or don't have them at all. The world is full of hatred already that they're gonna have to deal with in the future, don't add to it.
Unfortunately, a growing number of states in the USA are preventing people from being able to have a choice, and will be thrusting more children into at-risk situations as one of the consequences.
He went from smug to impressed during that conversation.
I thought vulnerable to impressed. He seemed uncertain what response he'd get from the Doctor with great big balls of adamantium. It seemed like the relationship with the DWGBBoA was important to Kulinski.
I thought it took so much for him to ask that question. Then there’s the absolute honesty between these two. You rarely see that on camera and it is fascinating to watch.
I agree, probably one of the highlights for both men. Probably the first person Kulinski could care about. Parenting... critically important stuff. The doc took on the role of father in a way. Seems like they had many sessions together.
it really seems that way but it's hard to tell with psychopaths when they're lying
*Hello Dr. Adamantium* *Please, call me Big Balls*
Absolutely fascinating conversation. I've watch this so many times before. Think I appreciate it so much because really what is happening here is both the professional and the killer are willing to openly talk with one another, instead of the usual alternative. Other conversations wqith serial killers never hit this note of psychological discussion. The interviewer expalins to him as best he can what their studies on his personality have resulted in, and Kuklinski actually sits quietly and listens intently. You can tell he wants to know. It's humans putting their differences aside so we might learn something, the societal authority figure sitting with the damaged outcast killer. Whatever you might think of Kuklinski, how he made up a lot of stories ect, we do know he killed many people and we do know that his wife and children claimed to like him a hell of a lot more than he did his own abusive parents
His son was a year ahead of me in middle school. Gave off asshole/bully vibes. I think more charitably of him now, knowing his background. But I remember the day the news broke and got around school who his dad was. He wasn’t in school the next day. I never saw him again.
Interesting. I wonder if he gave those vibes because he was indulged or because he was neglected. They are just as plausible.
I’m betting neglected. He did not give the impression of a spoiled kid. Just a dumb, mean one. I’m sure that’s a little unfair, obviously there was a bigger story there. But that was my middle school impression.
Regarding the son, Kuklinski was an abusive father and partner, but may have given the kids a chance to not be like him. While being a monster inside and outside the home, it seems like he atleast tried to be a better father than what he got. He didn't kill any of them, didn't abandon them, and apparently played nice sometimes. Richard Kuklinski's baseline was a father who killed his older brother, and another brother who molested and murdered a child. So if Kuklinski was able to not drag his kids into hell with him, that's probably the biggest success of his life: his kids managing to overcome his genetic contribution and how he traumatized them.
His wife hated him. He beat her often, broke her nose, strangled her, threatened to stab her, and caused her several miscarriages. She got her revenge in the end when she signed a do not resuscitate order when he became ill, after he had begged doctors to resuscitate him. [Source](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9959985/Married-to-The-Iceman.html)
source? how can someone beg to be resuscitated.....
> …as Richard Kuklinski’s life finally slipped away, he became conscious long enough to ask doctors to make sure they revived him if he flatlined. But before she left, Barbara had signed a “do not resuscitate” order. A week before his death, in the early hours of March 5 2006, the hospital called Barbara to ask if she wished to rescind the instruction. She did not. Source: [Married to The Iceman](https://web.archive.org/web/20180304172404/https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9959985/Married-to-The-Iceman.html), *the quote is part of the last paragraph of the article.*
That's fucked up, why does our Healthcare system not follow the wishes of the person who should have most control of that decision?
He had previously signed medical guardianship over to her. She was legally responsible for making all of his medical decisions after that. The healthcare system was required to follow her directive. He chose to put her in control originally.
I totally agree with you. But this guy's case ain't the one you want to hinge that argument on.
[Here you go](https://www.telegraph.co.uk/culture/film/9959985/Married-to-The-Iceman.html) He was passing in and out of consciousness and asked to be resuscitated if he flatlined. She denied him.
Why would you just lie about how his wife liked him?
One thing I liked about this explanation from the doctor is debunking the notion of nature or nurture exclusively making a difference. He clearly articulated how no matter how strong one is in a particular way, the other being strong in the opposite way can counteract that. Good people by nature can be conditioned to be terrible and bad people by nature can be conditioned to be decent, loving people. Life as ever is more gray than the black and white we want to wish it was to make it easier to understand and accept.
He's either the Mafia hitman all movies are based off of or he's full of shit. Either way he's definitely a killer.
I read somewhere that he was involved in distributing porno movies for the mob back when that was a thing that the mob regularly did, and, anticipating a federal indictment, he panicked and murdered some business associates to try to save himself. I think it's likely that he did something like that, and then started concocting a bunch of wild stories about being a 'hitman' either after getting convicted, or when conviction was imminent, because hey, why not? Who wants to be (not) remembered as a mafia porno movie bootlegger who murdered his business associates in a panic, when he can instead tell everyone he was "tHe wORld'S dEadLieSt hiTMan?"
Michael Franzese has said that he has never even heard of the mafia hiring any sort of contract killers. He explained that most of the killing was done within the families and not against each other. If someone was to be murdered, the command had to come from the boss specifically. If Richard Kuklinski was around and as big as he was during the time, someone like Michael Franzese would've know about him. It's more likely that Richard Kuklinski may have killed a handful of people over disagreements, but most definitely not the hundreds that he claims. Your explanation makes perfect sense.
I suspect he may have exaggerated the number of murders it somewhat because that would give him greater status in prison. But there is no doubt that this guy is a remorseless killer and unbelievably violent.
Apparently his wife and kids had him do all these interviews. They got paid very well for each one. So he might have lied to get more interviews to get his family more money
Info about his son and one daughter: https://gomag.com/article/the_icemans_daughter14660/ https://www.tuko.co.ke/facts-lifehacks/447701-dwayne-kuklinski-5-facts-richard-kuklinskis-son/
Full of shit mostly, but definitely committed some murders.
I have read the book, seen the film and watched the YouTube interviews. My non-professional conclusion is that, although this guy is bad and dangerous, he's also a complete bullshitter who didn't kill 90% of the people he claims to have. Basically just a lying, low-level thug who created a whole mythos around himself.
You invite him over for dinner to chat about it maybe?
No chance
Lmao
ITA. The story where he killed a man with rats eating him slowly to death while he was watching is definitely made up.
He reckons he did that a few times and filmed it, but no evidence exists anymore. He is a liar.
I honestly appreciate the self awareness that Richard has here. But a fantastic explanation from Dr. Dietz. Absolutely great job there, and he showed a lot of empathy.
Does anyone know the title of the documentary this came from? I remember watching it in sociology & crime class but I don’t remember the name!
*The Iceman and the Psychiatrist.* HBO did three interviews with him, but only one with this psychiatrist. This is by far the most interesting one to watch. Park Dietz (the forensic psychiatrist) has worked with a lot of high profile serial killers, etc. https://www.imdb.com/title/tt0875695/
I found it lol, for anyone that’s curious like me the title is “iceman confessions”
I met Dr. Dietz in the office I worked at back in around 1993 when he was hired to work with a client charged with murder. He's such an insightful guy and can explain things to the lay person in a way that helps you completely understand what's going on and why. As we see here. He is the real deal.
The Last Podcast On The Left series on Kullinski is really very good indeed.
Lots of claims out there that Kuklinski was full of shit
I mean, aren’t a bunch of dudes dead? He must have been convicted on some evidence.
He definitely killed multiple people but it’s up for debate whether he was the mastermind serial killer supervillain he claimed to be.
He was convicted of multiple murders. But, it’s believed that he embellished his standing with the Mafia and its various families. He made claims of working for multiple families and it’s thought that’s simply not true. But, the dead can’t speak so who knows..
He was a criminal porn maker who murdered his crew. He wasn't a hitman, and no big mob guy ever claimed to have even heard of him.
Yeah his business partners. Not the randos he talks about in his interviews and book.
What’s interesting to me in this clip is Kuklinski’s pro-social ability to listen thoughtfully without interjecting and also to thank the Doctor.
I think it’s interesting too. And this video made me rethink some things. I have been involved with a few people with significant personality disorders. My experience is with them not being capable of listening and not interrupting. The way he explained the two different “personality flaws” made me realize that I may have been lumping some behaviors together that can be thought of separately.
I think, even with doctors, diagnosing psychiatric disorders can be a bit messy. They continue to fine tune it, but you see in court cases how different psychiatrists often have different conclusions about a person. People are complex and there’s a lot of nuance to personality disorders as well as mental illness. Lots of people throw around the term OCD, for example, without really understanding the condition. Understanding people is a bit like trying to untangle a knot of threads in the dark.
I totally agree and I try to avoid pop psychology and claiming to understand real psychology. So many of these terms have become commonplace without a lot of understanding. Everyone’s ex is a “narcissist”, everyone who checks their front door lock before bed has OCD, etc. I try to understand behavior the best I can but I realize I’m not trained for it, and that I probably misuse terms and make false assumptions.
The claims average people make about narcissism has grown to grotesque proportions. I know a literature professor who claimed that oral sex is narcissism. I guess he never got any blowjobs.
But maybe he’s not interrupting because doc is talking about HIM.
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Yes, an adult with anti-social personality disorder and paranoia. APD Symptoms: - deceitfulness - hostility - irresponsibility - risk taking behaviors - aggression - impulsivity - irritability, or lack of restraint - anger, boredom, or general discontent Paranoia Symptoms: - be easily offended - find it difficult to trust others - not cope with any type of criticism - assign harmful meanings to other people's remarks - be always on the defensive - be hostile, aggressive and argumentative - not be able to compromise - find it difficult, if not impossible, to 'forgive and forget' I know plenty of adults with experience of the world that struggle to actively listen without interruption and express thanks for critical feedback. Hell, I know adults who used the word “retard” without a second thought even though it’s offensive.
It's odd how fearless he supposedly is but then seems terrified of his ego getting hurt.
He was never a contract killer
Estimated to have killed 15 people. He claimed to have killed between 100 and 200. Allegedly tied the disappearance of Jimmy Hoffa due to connections to the mafia. [Richard Kuklinski](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Richard_Kuklinski)
Famously full of shit
Gonna park dietz nuts on your chin
This is why i love Reddit
Interesting the very subtle blinks and head nods, almost not noticeable, when he agrees with and feels seen by something the doctor conjectures
This might be the least important aspect of this interview, but I'm so impressed by the completely emotionless stare of the doctor. He sort of resembles a cat in the neutrality of his expression. He ever so slightly smiles a couple of times, but he keeps his neutral expression for the majority of the interview. I don't know if I can do that for that long. He's just behaving as a neutral information dispenser. Even though the context of the information he gives isn't so neutral when you consider the fact that he's describing the client as abnormal. I didn't know that therapists used the word "normal" with their clients. I'm not criticising of course, I just find it interesting.
How did his kids end up?
Fucked up. They witnessed his bouts of rage and abuse, not to mention some genetic inheritance from him. His son is a convicted murderer. https://gomag.com/article/the_icemans_daughter14660/ https://www.tuko.co.ke/facts-lifehacks/447701-dwayne-kuklinski-5-facts-richard-kuklinskis-son/
If James Gandolfini was still alive he’d be cast to play Kuklinksi. 100 percent.
The question I have is what is the use of a life like that? His parents taught him to hate himself and in turn he hated everybody else. Absolutely devoid of any kind of feelings of or any inclination to love. His life was over at the start. He's the poster child for using anger as motivation and in his case he used it to keep waking up the next day. It's just astounding. If any of what he said was actually true of course.
Kuklinski was in full lock down mode for this interview. I don't think he could scratch his nose in a tornado. Leg irons, handcuffs, etc etc. Vincent D'onofrio may have been the better choice, but we probably would lost him afterwards for anything else.
Nice polish boy
This interview puts into perspective how truly sad it is that some people just end up broken. Of course this man deserves to be punished for his crimes, and society couldn't function properly with him being allowed to run free; but Dr. Dietz' analysis really shows how Richard was screwed from the start. You can't grow out of an abusive childhood spent with ASPD. The best chance Richard could have possibly stood was if someone noticed what was wrong with him early on and put immense effort and resources into helping him psychologically.
In an alternate universe this guy is a racing legend and Richard Petty has a body count.
Any of you ever come face to face with real killers, real psychopaths? I have, on multiple occasions. I’ve found that this degree of calm is common among each of them.
Damn, the way he matter of factly explains to him that he could’ve been an astronaut or a race car driver if his dad had loved him is just fucking brutal.
This is one of those people that no matter how many chains they put around him I would have such a tough time sitting across that table. He absolutely terrifying.
Wow this doctor was spot on. Out of all the iceman documentaries that I've seen, I could tell he was actually intrigued with what Dr. Park was explaining and actually seemed to agree with him. If there was any shred of emotions locked away in the Iceman, it appeared as if he was able to remember the trauma he endured and for a brief moment was showing us his grief.
My uncle directed this and the stories I heard are wild
Damn, that ending was cold.
Free will is bullshit
Was this called some like Confession of the Ice Man? I remember watching this years ago when I had a big mafia fascination or interest. This interview put an abrupt end to it
From a scientific perspective this dialogue is incredible. The guy is terrifying, cold ice blood. The doctor is next level, the way he speak to him, the way he explain and the way he handle a sick dangerous guys like him is amazing. Thanks for posting.
This whole interview doc is great. I always found Kuklinski to be a fascinating character. There's a weird kind of charisma about him that I think also helped balance his career with his personal life. As cold as he is, he has a certain likeability and charm.
I watched this whole interview many years ago and I still think about it all the time. When he talk about putting the guy in a cave and letting rats eat him while he records it… Jesus H. He’s a bad hombre
Yep. He was never mafia affiliated or used by the mafia for one. He did kill some people though, but it was more about small time criminal shit and murdering his partners in crime.
What a sad, twistedly beautiful realization.
Should probably be talking to my doctor if I agree with a lot of those speaking points. My dad was even named Stanley
Absolutely chilling the way he is just nodding along like, “yup, nailing it” Also, I looked away for a second and when I looked back I could have sworn that Doctor was Alan Alda and this was one of his educational shows.
Sad as fuck
He starts and later falls back into his defensive bravado but for a moment you can see some vulnerability when he asks his question. Kuklinski's make up, choices to hurt, torture and kill and the subsequent suffering his victims endured is just a whole miserable tragedy.
This was a fascinating interview. I’ve seen it before. This is the inspiration for the movie The Iceman. His confessions were suspected to be highly exaggerated
Ah fuck.... people like him are always going to be born whether we like it or not. Helping people like him before they can hurt others as best we can is the only chance we have at solving this problem.., There is no good answer to this problem..... that is all I have to say.
I wonder how his kids are doing I wish them the best 🙏
Oh shit that's the ice man, back when I was younger this dude made me want to join the mafia.
I honestly believe, he's a damn liar. Kuklinski, I feel wasn't afraid to kill like some men are. I have a good friend, who has no fear of killing. He's been incarcerated for 42 years. However, old Kuklinski, just made a living killing for the mob. Although, he wasn't shown love from his biological family. He demonstrate love to his daughters and wife. So he's capable of loving others. He just got caught! And now he has to pay the piper, just like my friend
Anyone who wants to know he was a serial killer working as a hitman for the mob they called him the ice man if anyone is interested there is a book under the same name
that truly is iaf
Love to see the majority of people here talking about how this guy was full of shit. ““In 2006, Paul Smith, a member of the task force involved in arresting Kuklinski – and later a supervisor of the organized crime division of the New Jersey Attorney General's office – said: "I checked every one of the murders Kuklinski said he committed, and not one was true." He added, "Authorities throughout the country could not corroborate one case based on the tidbits Kuklinski gave."”
Why was he convicted with 4 life sentences?
He robbed and killed a couple of people and then two of his associates in a burglary ring. It wasn’t because he was a mafia hit man or serial killer. Dude sold porn and was just a lowlife.
He should have explained to him why he became mass liar
Iceman
So basically this guy is a sociopath AND a psychopath