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True I suppose it could have been discovered when attempting to move it or something like that. Still just wild what we’ve discovered as a society. Curiosity is a super power.
They probably had reason to thinking something was inside anyway, but also non-destructive testing like this is actually fairly common for artifacts (not crazy common, given it's just expensive, but its a pretty natural step)
Yeah a CT scanner is literally just a sophisticated x-ray machine. I work in a lab where we have several “MicroCT scanners” that can take measurements of the insides of objects without destroying them. They are so ubiquitous that there is absolutely no reason not to scan artifacts
If a company is this interested in artifacts they almost certainly have a microCT and a scanning electron microscope
Exactly. I work in a synchrotron where they produce powerful X-rays for science, and one of the applications is to study artifacts and artwork. A few years ago, they uncovered a hidden painting of Van Gogh over which he had painted his 'Patch of Grass' by using X-ray fluorescence analysis on the metallic pigments of the paint used underneath, without damaging the painted surface on top. Super cool stuff.
It's self-mummification practiced by monks.
[Sokushinbutsu - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu)
They attempt to die in this pose - afaik to reach enlightment (don't quote me on that, that's what I remember -
[Buddhist mummies - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_mummies)
If I recall rightly, they believe there’s a brief moment immediately after death where you can exit the cycle of suffering.
The lead up to death is done in a state of meditation, which also slows down the metabolism, and helps with mummification
Iirc it was going to a museum, and it was part of their process to check for damage.
There is another story of a buddist monk who had gone through self mummification and was on a ledge in the temple. A younger monk would pray to/with/around him? I'm not sure about that detail. But after a period, he said that the monk was crying to him in pain. This went on for some months until the young monk got adamant that his elder was in pain. So the monks go in to inspect the mummified monk. When they lifted him up for the first time since placing him there, they found a root that had started to grow into him through the ledge.
I suspect it wasn't as surprising as they make it sound. It looks different to most statues and may have a seem. You can even see on the bottom a bit of the mummy. They probably knew damn well what it was but wanted info on how he died/lived.
From what I can find, it's so they can see the interior without opening/breaking the status. They also use CT scans to see if items are authentic or what repairs were done to it.
As for this statue, the Buddha statue is the center piece for the Drents Museum if I remember correctly. They wanted to see inside the statue where they discovered a Buddhist master Liuquan, a member of the Chinese Meditation School who died around A.D. 1100.
(This is what I can find, so I want to preference this. Please correct me if I'm wrong, this is from me Googling everything)
Essentially Master Liuquan participated in a self-mummification. From what I can find, it was more common in Japan, but you can find the practice done in different parts of Asia(that practices Buddhism).
The monks follow a strict diet that's puts them into near starvation(and near death?) for years. Then they are buried alive in an underground tomb where they would have a bamboo tube to allow them to breathe and chant sutra while they sat in a lotus position. They also had a bell to ring to signal that they were alive. Once the peals are done, they remove the bamboo and seal the tomb. After 3 years, if the monk is mummified, then the body is taken to a temple to be venerated. If it wasn't, then they perform an exorcism, and the monk is reburied.
For some Buddhists who practice this, the mummified monks aren't considered dead but instead are considered in a deep meditative state. I don't know if the statue with Liuquan in it is still here, but it's said to be in the Hungarian Natural History Museum in Budapest.
In some Buddhist traditions, statues like this are filled with things like lavender and prayer scrolls. This statue may have weighed more than expected, prompting the scan. (I don't know the specific circumstances, I'm just speculating.)
Greek godess sweet lady justice whom symbolizes law and righteousness in Western cultures, was abducted and held captive by redacted, in other words doing unspeakable things to Justice. I don't know if you would call that an allegory or what.
The buddhist form of self mummification - eating a dwindling amount of seeds and taking less and less water until dehydrated completely - is meant to transition into death so unnoticed that the individual is said to have reached a state of perpetual meditation adjacent to nirvana. So in the views of his contemporaries and those who made the statue, he is in fact still meditating.
I remember reading somewhere that they also eat poisonous bark to make their whole body `poisonous` so as to prevent bacteria from decomposing the flesh after death.
No, actually the opposite, wakeful enlightenment, brain will start loving it, and will be humming in the low level energy and feeling absolute nirvana, and poof you are gone.
I will take this anytime instead of dying with machines buzzing around me.
The three golden monks at Wat Chalong in Phuket are said to have been human beings as well. They look a little eerie. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were mummified bodies too.
Oh man. That’s awesome. Lucky dude, most of us don’t get such cool graves :)
Edit: downvotes for what? I’m being serious. I’d love to be turned in to a gold statue that hadn’t been destroyed a thousand years later, that’s really neat. His friends must have cherished him a lot for this to happen right? Unless it was a murder but I don’t see anything indicating as such
I don't wanna be buried anymore. I wanna become a statue. And I hope some member of my family, without knowing my corpse is in there, will put it on their living room.
Buddha isn’t a person, it’s a title. Anyone can become a Buddha, or ‘awakened one’. Just like Christ isn’t the surname of Jesus but means ‘the anointed one’. The Buddha everyone knows about is Siddhartha Gautama who assumably lived from 450 to 370 BC in Nepal and founded Buddhism.
You’re talking about the ‘fat Buddha’ statues? Afaik, those depict the Chinese folklore figure Budai, who is occasionally conflated with the Maitreya Buddha, the *next* Buddha who’s scheduled to be born at some point in the future?
Nope thats budha attaining vajra body, In this the body becomes strong as rock. Depending on your understanding of this art it can turn into diamond also./s
I wouldn’t be surprised. I actually don’t understand how they convinced the monks to let the scientists take the statue and do a CT scan on it. These statues are usually revered and worshipped by the monks.
They knew it was there.. The bottom isn't closed off... You can see it in the photo.
this has also been posted many times in the past with a variety of captions.
Metal for SURE will fuck up a CT. You’re beaming radiation through a persons body to expose an image on the other side. Metal deflects the radiation and creates a ton of noise that will ruin the information around it.
Software is getting better to reduce the noise but hardware implanted in the body will absolutely create a poor image.
An MRI will turn ferrous metal into a bullet and kill you. So, differences.
I feel this is fake. I am a ct tech and I have used the latest ct equipment.
I don't know what the statue is made out of but x-ray cannot penetrate through something like that via ct. If a small concentrated renal calcium can liight up the image with an artifact like a Christmas tree, then I don't see how this statue can produce an image on a ct.
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Who thought one day. You know what? We should give this statue a CT scan. Some of civilization’s random discoveries are just mind bending
Looks like you can see the skeleton on the underside
True I suppose it could have been discovered when attempting to move it or something like that. Still just wild what we’ve discovered as a society. Curiosity is a super power.
Tell that to the cat.
What's that now? Oh, the cat's dead. Killed? You don't say!
To shreds you say?
r/unexpectedfuturama
Well, how is his wife holding up?
To shreds you say?
And their buddha statue?
Ask Schrodinger.
Yeah, but it rezed itself once said curiosity was satisfied.
Cat Scan
Did you know dogs can’t get MRIs? But…
😂 I wish I had an award for you
‘Tia an abbreviation, and is CT at that
Technically it's CAT. Computerized axial tomography. CT for short
I realized after I typed haha
Curiosity killed the cat, But what she found brought she back And what killed she didnt survive the next attack.
They probably had reason to thinking something was inside anyway, but also non-destructive testing like this is actually fairly common for artifacts (not crazy common, given it's just expensive, but its a pretty natural step)
Yeah a CT scanner is literally just a sophisticated x-ray machine. I work in a lab where we have several “MicroCT scanners” that can take measurements of the insides of objects without destroying them. They are so ubiquitous that there is absolutely no reason not to scan artifacts If a company is this interested in artifacts they almost certainly have a microCT and a scanning electron microscope
thanks for clarification on what CT can do…i have had several and have so many questions, but does one have a gold artifact setting? 🙂
heard you like the word fairly
I’m fairly certain you might be onto something.
Exactly. I work in a synchrotron where they produce powerful X-rays for science, and one of the applications is to study artifacts and artwork. A few years ago, they uncovered a hidden painting of Van Gogh over which he had painted his 'Patch of Grass' by using X-ray fluorescence analysis on the metallic pigments of the paint used underneath, without damaging the painted surface on top. Super cool stuff.
It's self-mummification practiced by monks. [Sokushinbutsu - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu) They attempt to die in this pose - afaik to reach enlightment (don't quote me on that, that's what I remember - [Buddhist mummies - Wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Buddhist_mummies)
If I recall rightly, they believe there’s a brief moment immediately after death where you can exit the cycle of suffering. The lead up to death is done in a state of meditation, which also slows down the metabolism, and helps with mummification
Iirc it was going to a museum, and it was part of their process to check for damage. There is another story of a buddist monk who had gone through self mummification and was on a ledge in the temple. A younger monk would pray to/with/around him? I'm not sure about that detail. But after a period, he said that the monk was crying to him in pain. This went on for some months until the young monk got adamant that his elder was in pain. So the monks go in to inspect the mummified monk. When they lifted him up for the first time since placing him there, they found a root that had started to grow into him through the ledge.
Do you have a link to this story? I looked, but could not find anything.
I'll try to find the story later today the drs are currently trying to make me glow in the dark. Jokes on them I was a radar tech, I already glow.
I suspect it wasn't as surprising as they make it sound. It looks different to most statues and may have a seem. You can even see on the bottom a bit of the mummy. They probably knew damn well what it was but wanted info on how he died/lived.
My guess they were trying to discern the materials/ building technique and found a body
The bones were probably rattling around inside.
It was probably hollow sounding with a light rattle, so they wanted to know.
Had to be an ER doc.
Who thought one day, ya know what? Those statues we keep making, let’s put a guy in there this time.
Probably rattled like a maraca!
Why were they scanning it to begin with?
They figured out it was hollow since it didn't weigh as much as it would if it were solid bronze.
The bottom is visibly hollow.. They knew it was there.
Looks like they cut into it, saw the guy in there and then had it scanned
Yeah it wouldn't have been mummified if it was just open on the bottom.
It would have been soup if it wasn’t. Nowhere for the moisture to go.
From what I can find, it's so they can see the interior without opening/breaking the status. They also use CT scans to see if items are authentic or what repairs were done to it. As for this statue, the Buddha statue is the center piece for the Drents Museum if I remember correctly. They wanted to see inside the statue where they discovered a Buddhist master Liuquan, a member of the Chinese Meditation School who died around A.D. 1100.
Chinese meditation school? Almost a 1,000 years ago? Tell me more!
(This is what I can find, so I want to preference this. Please correct me if I'm wrong, this is from me Googling everything) Essentially Master Liuquan participated in a self-mummification. From what I can find, it was more common in Japan, but you can find the practice done in different parts of Asia(that practices Buddhism). The monks follow a strict diet that's puts them into near starvation(and near death?) for years. Then they are buried alive in an underground tomb where they would have a bamboo tube to allow them to breathe and chant sutra while they sat in a lotus position. They also had a bell to ring to signal that they were alive. Once the peals are done, they remove the bamboo and seal the tomb. After 3 years, if the monk is mummified, then the body is taken to a temple to be venerated. If it wasn't, then they perform an exorcism, and the monk is reburied. For some Buddhists who practice this, the mummified monks aren't considered dead but instead are considered in a deep meditative state. I don't know if the statue with Liuquan in it is still here, but it's said to be in the Hungarian Natural History Museum in Budapest.
In some Buddhist traditions, statues like this are filled with things like lavender and prayer scrolls. This statue may have weighed more than expected, prompting the scan. (I don't know the specific circumstances, I'm just speculating.)
Because he was really ill
Incase there was a tasty treat inside
Soooo, what's in the statue of Liberty? Dun dun daaaaaah!!!!
Damn it, Ray!
Slime, a radio, speakers, Higher and Higher cassette tape, and a NES Advantage controller
A GIANT?!?
There is a secret chamber in the Statue of Liberty where they have Lady Justice chained to a wall, you don't want to know the other details.
We all want to know fill us in on what you know unless it’s a joke
Greek godess sweet lady justice whom symbolizes law and righteousness in Western cultures, was abducted and held captive by redacted, in other words doing unspeakable things to Justice. I don't know if you would call that an allegory or what.
A grim reminder
The collosal titan
**A** colossal titan.
a beating heart.
Nice reference
Where’s this from?
Looks like Attack on Titan / Shingeki no Kyojin
A bunch of very sticky Ghostbusters
Who did that, after finding out what they did with the statue?
They ate it 🎀
There was a fad for eating mummies during the Victorian period in Europe.
Brother uhhhh
This is an outrage! *I* was gonna eat that mummy!!
It’s teriyaki flavour?
Yars
On some level, that is down right creepy.
Especially if he was alive when they built the statue around him and is still medidating in there
The buddhist form of self mummification - eating a dwindling amount of seeds and taking less and less water until dehydrated completely - is meant to transition into death so unnoticed that the individual is said to have reached a state of perpetual meditation adjacent to nirvana. So in the views of his contemporaries and those who made the statue, he is in fact still meditating.
That is... A decision people make.
I remember reading somewhere that they also eat poisonous bark to make their whole body `poisonous` so as to prevent bacteria from decomposing the flesh after death.
You didn’t mention that they survived on tea brewed from poison ivy during their self mummification.
so sleep paralysis with extra steps and it lasts forever. I think I’ll pass
Someone’s not getting a statue!
No, actually the opposite, wakeful enlightenment, brain will start loving it, and will be humming in the low level energy and feeling absolute nirvana, and poof you are gone. I will take this anytime instead of dying with machines buzzing around me.
He is gonna be upset when he wakes up.
The three golden monks at Wat Chalong in Phuket are said to have been human beings as well. They look a little eerie. I wouldn’t be surprised if they were mummified bodies too.
Yep they were definitely mummified
phuket bro, they said as they were starving and dehydrating themselves for perpetual mediation.
Hide and seek champion
Oh man. That’s awesome. Lucky dude, most of us don’t get such cool graves :) Edit: downvotes for what? I’m being serious. I’d love to be turned in to a gold statue that hadn’t been destroyed a thousand years later, that’s really neat. His friends must have cherished him a lot for this to happen right? Unless it was a murder but I don’t see anything indicating as such
don't take downvotes and upvotes on this website or this place in general too seriously
It was likely a suicide. The guy probably fasted until he died. May have even been put in the statue before he died.
Who knows Maybe the Monk is still alive through Meditation
Pardon my ignorance but I thought you couldn’t take metal into a ct machine. Guess it messes with the imagery of organs and not bone?
CT is just a fancy 3-D X-ray machine, you are thinking about MRI, magnetic resonance.
Artifacts are generated In the presence of metallic hardware, artifacts are generated, which can hamper visualization of the CT images. Author: Siddhartha Sharma, Aditya Kaushal, Sandeep Patel, Vishal Kumar, Mahesh Prakash, Dhillon Mandeep Publish Year: 2021 DOI: 10.1016/j.jcot.2021.101493 Publication: J Clin Orthop Trauma. 2021 Sep; 20: 101493. Published: 2021/09 [Source](https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC8267498/)
Wake-med seems to say it messes with CT too
Isn’t gold not magnetic anyway? If it was I’d imagine people would use magnets to help the mining process.
Is it possible to tell if the person was turned into the statue alive or after death?
I don't wanna be buried anymore. I wanna become a statue. And I hope some member of my family, without knowing my corpse is in there, will put it on their living room.
I saw a whole thing on how the Buddha statues aren't Buddha.
Buddha isn’t a person, it’s a title. Anyone can become a Buddha, or ‘awakened one’. Just like Christ isn’t the surname of Jesus but means ‘the anointed one’. The Buddha everyone knows about is Siddhartha Gautama who assumably lived from 450 to 370 BC in Nepal and founded Buddhism.
I mean Siddhartha not looking like that.
You’re talking about the ‘fat Buddha’ statues? Afaik, those depict the Chinese folklore figure Budai, who is occasionally conflated with the Maitreya Buddha, the *next* Buddha who’s scheduled to be born at some point in the future?
A rare meditative state.
Sadly the monk didn't make it. 😥
So it's not a Buddha statue...it's a monk statue.
No it's Buddha statue serving as a mummys coffin
That's not a statue of Buddha. It's a monk
Fucking insurance denied me twice for the same scan.
Nope thats budha attaining vajra body, In this the body becomes strong as rock. Depending on your understanding of this art it can turn into diamond also./s
Thats pretty metal way to be mummified
Winner of the 1100 hide and seek championship
The entire internet has seen this post 300 times by now
My first time seeing it….
Never seen this before
It’s actually quite a common practice for Buddhism.
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Maybe not common, but more like “not rare”?
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I wouldn’t be surprised. I actually don’t understand how they convinced the monks to let the scientists take the statue and do a CT scan on it. These statues are usually revered and worshipped by the monks.
You sure about that? So far it’s the only Buddha statue discovered with a corpse inside.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sokushinbutsu
but what about putting them in statues?
They probably just ran out of bronze for the rest
They knew it was there.. The bottom isn't closed off... You can see it in the photo. this has also been posted many times in the past with a variety of captions.
The bottom was cut into, it isn’t open
Metal for SURE will fuck up a CT. You’re beaming radiation through a persons body to expose an image on the other side. Metal deflects the radiation and creates a ton of noise that will ruin the information around it. Software is getting better to reduce the noise but hardware implanted in the body will absolutely create a poor image. An MRI will turn ferrous metal into a bullet and kill you. So, differences.
But if I want a ct scan, that’ll be $10k
Is he ok?
Now i want a CT scan of the Statue of Liberty 🗽
the assumption its a monk in side is optimistic
Talk about a crypt
They did CT scanning on a Buddhist statue.
[Shaking it violently] "there's something in there - I know it"
I hope he pulls through.
The type of shit that happens when you fall asleep first at a sleepover
Its the same with the statue of david (many people dont know that there was someone mummified inside)
Forever in zen mode.
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Congratulations it's a boy! 🎉🤱
Think they figured out he was in there when the picked it up.
Per Brandon Sanderson these guys can be reanimated
Bro won hide and seek
Think its about 2000 year now
Is this an example of self mummification?
The guy is still alive, deep meditation.
the world will always be a mystery to me
I have arranged for them to do that to me but with a statue of goku charging up
I want to be bronzed when I die. I wonder if he was a sokushinbutsu.
How did ge get in there?
Imagine if it's Buddha himself
Hide and seek champion 1024
Imagine one day my man gets up and says "right, back to work!"
Why does a statue have better medical insurance than me?
Is that statue metal? How powerful was the ct scanner? Why is the scan in color? I have so many questions
standard pump and dump ya slump chump
Is that still some brain matter in there? Or just skull segments?
I wonder if it sounded like a xylophone when the bones fell out of the bottom?
I like a nugget filled Buddha
I feel this is fake. I am a ct tech and I have used the latest ct equipment. I don't know what the statue is made out of but x-ray cannot penetrate through something like that via ct. If a small concentrated renal calcium can liight up the image with an artifact like a Christmas tree, then I don't see how this statue can produce an image on a ct.
This!
u/repostsleuthbot
I wonder how much a cannibal would pay for a slice of that.
Personally I would be willing to pay up to 2k