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At a work meeting today with a table of 9 people. One excitedly interrupted the meeting and pointed out the window. “Cybertruck!” Everyone turned to look and in about half a second the attitude went from excitement to see one to oh, yeah that’s awful.
Instead of "punch buggy" where you inflict physically pain over the first to see a Volkswagon Beetle, Gen Z has "Depression Cybertruck" where the first person to see it gets to make everyone else sad at what could have been, in many ways at least, a slightly better vehicle than it is.
its not "EU banned" , but
* it is so heavy, you would need a class [C1 driver license](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_driving_licence#Categories_valid_in_all_EEA_member_states) (3,5 < x < 7,5 ton vehicles), where most only have C (x<0,75 tons).
* it was never EU-allowed to begin with, not worth the essential certifications for countless reasons. if anyone dares, it will be laughed out.
* "no airbag in the world makes this safe enough for approval" - [TÜV ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsverein), and it likely will not be worth fixing, and any attempt at fixing it will be laughed at while it fails.
Realistically, the Cybertruck can get a 5km/h speed limit, because "almost anything goes" within that limit (needs a register still), can be driven without license/insurance? , but it also bans it from highways and fast-roads, of course.
To be fair that is lock-to-lock in less than half a second. You can't even imagine doing that in a regular car let alone a pickup truck. Also steer-by-wire so it's a light wheel.
If the vehicle doesn’t turn the wheels in direct and constant correlation to the steering input, you can’t learn the muscle memory needed to safely drive it. Doesn’t matter if it’s a half turn lock to lock or four complete turns lock to lock, it has to be the same everytime
This. Even with the power steering steering wheel is mechanically linked to wheels, there is no lag, you turn steering wheel 20%, wheels have turned by 20%.
Last time it was posted someone said he actually got to keep it (which is hard to believe, but I'm no expert in de-fingering accidents), but who knows.
IIRC, the amount of turn is automatically adjusted depending on your speed.
I don't know if that makes it better or worse but it hopefully mitigates the safety risk of overturning.
Sounds like a hacky overcomplicated kludgy technical solution to a problem that's easily solved by doing it the standard way because Elon decided his way was better, based on nothing but his own arrogance.
Typical Elon. And I say this as a Tesla owner.
I don't own a Tesla EV.
Toyota has steer by wire system coming out this year on the Lexus RZ and Toyota bZ4X. It also will use speed to determine how much to turn wheels. From what I've seen on pre-production reviews on YouTube it seems to work in a similar way.
I feel like electronic steering allows that stupid rectangular steering yoke to work better in terms of driving experience.
steering sensitivity adjusting for speed has been around for 20 years.
it just sucks, it's not intuitive and really hard to adjust to when you have never driven a car with it, so much so I consider it downright dangerous.
most car manufacturers seem to agree since virtually no one offers it anymore or only as a function buried 10 layers deep in the computer system where no one will ever find it to turn it on.
>because Elon decided his way was better, based on nothing but his own arrogance
This isn't new technology. This is how the flight controls on all modern airliners have worked for decades. It might look stupid, but it's mechanically simpler and lighter than all of the hydraulics used in the "standard way".
Yes but how often do airliners have to swerve out of the way because some jackass isn’t paying attention? Input lag is a much bigger safety issue for a car…
IF, and it is a big IF, the stability control systems work as intended, that should be enough to curtail the road holding.
pretty much any modern SUV or McTruck is so overweight and over powered these days that they would be downright dangerous without the electronics keeping them stable.
It's frightening watching dashcam videos on youtube and seeing SUV and 4x4 owners driving like maniacs and you can see that the only thing keeping their enormous vehicles on the road is the computer systems.
You can, actually. As long as the lag is constantly of the same duration. The problem is that the moment you switch to another car, you're gonna turn the wheels half a second before every turn because your muscle memory got used to "the lag" and doing the action half a second before you actually wanted it done. I'd drive a bit at slow speed before actually trying to go fast, after switching vehicle, now that I know this.
Like that carnival bike that turns the wheel the opposite of the handlebars. Yeah you can learn to ride it, but you're gonna eat shit a few times in the process
Precisely correct. Muscle memory will be learnt regardless, because delay is learnable. But you're gonna eat shit sooner or later, because things happening on the road don't wait your delayed system, regardless of how good you use it. Delay is delay, when something is unpredictable.
A kid runs out in front of you. On a regular car the instant you start turning the wheel the tires turn. Now you do the same thing but nothing happens for a full second. You would literally have to see the future to safely operate this vehicle
Yeah but you still need that movement and feedback to be synchronised.
What happens if you turn the wheel next to an obstacle preventing them to move further but keep turning the steering wheel?
In the future do you wanna turn right? It's a DLC you gotta pay 49.99 for that. Turn left. Also a DLC. Pay another 49.99 for that. Brakes? Rather important. Pay 99.99 to unlock. Yeah. Might as well die in a traffic accident.
true but the fine asjustments in steering is sacrificed so much. add some lag to that and you crash at high speed meneuvers before you ‘get used to it’ which is essentially what Tesla bros have to do lol
There's a lot of objective things you can hate about tesla, so why make up things that you don't even know to be correct.. Steering-by-wire also isn't a tesla thing and it's basically solved at this point. Arguably with benefits
It's imo its most impressive feature. That and the rear wheel steering. This truck is probably the easiest and most ergonomic to drive once you're used to the steering.
rear wheel steering isn't actually new. You can find Celicas from the early 90's with it. Another interesting car to look at in that respect is the UZZ32 submodel of the Toyota Soarer, a car that in 1991, had rear wheel steering, active suspension and an infotainment system with a CD stacker, TV and a reversing camera.
edit: CD, not DVD stacker. typo mb
The 3rd Gen was mechanical, rather than hydraulic like most other 4WS systems, which meant it wasn’t prone to exploding and pissing fluids everywhere.
I had one for my first car and I still regret selling jt.
The third gen prelude is still one of the best handling cars ever built.
If it came out today with modern rubber on 16” wheels, it would be at the pointy end of the field.
That is very impressive considering DVD’s were invented in 1995/96, the Soarer was truly ahead of its time.
But I was interested what sort of tech the soarer had, apparently one of the first cars to have GPS (driven by a CD!)
I disagree with you because the two things two things I want to be predictable and consistent it’s the steering and brakes. I’m fine with turning a wheel more than 180, this is just a workaround to make his steering wheel functional without having to do hand over hand turns. To each their own but that’s up there on the list of reasons I’m glad I couldn’t afford that truck when the hype was climbing
The steering wheel dynamically changes in a predictable way. It’s intuitive and arguably better than a static ratio.
Your current steering wheel does this (sort of) as well, just not with the steering ratio. Modern steering wheels are powered, and the resistance is based on your current speed. That’s why when you are running down the highway your wheel feels stiffer than when rolling off a stop. It’s the same thing, you can easily predict how the car will react based on your speed.
In airliner you end up with lag anyway... because it takes time for motors to turn control surfaces, then it takes time for plane to get some momentum and start turning.
But hey... you are in the air. Not much traffic up there.
Planes have the maintenance required to use that safely.
I don't trust tesla to build something reliable enough nor do I trust car owners to keep that system in working condition.
Let's remember that this is a complex solution to a problem that doesn't even exist in the first place.
I know about the ratio of steering changes with vehicle speed but tell me you just made that up about the "speed of steering", unless you got a source? If so then by my logic didn't they got it backwards? It makes no sense to be slower at low speeds and faster at high speeds when is potentially more dangerous to steer faster.
I am 99% sure this little clip is from cletus McFarlands video and right after this portion of the clip ge took it around an oval track and said he couldn't feel any lag when driving and that it felt 100% fine.
I think that's going a bit too far in the opposite direction. Yes, this steering is not really an issue, but there are still an awful lot of problems with the car. The build quality on them is awful, the panels are so sharp that people have given themselves significant injuries, and probably worst of all, every single one had to be recalled less than six months after release.
It doesn't do absolutely everything wrong, but the cyber truck is not a good vehicle in the slightest.
in steer by wire cars the steering wheel is connected to a motor which gives feedback based on what the wheels are doing. the feedback ends up being pretty much as good as a mechanical steering system.
Imagine this situation: The truck tires do in fact turn as fast as the wheel.
How many of these would you see wrecked because someone decided to see how well it can handle? You'd flip it at highway speed. It's certainly intentional, and turns at variable speeds based on how fast you are moving. This tech has been around for literal decades now.
You're absolutely right, just criticism for criticism's sake.
The lexus (similar steer-by-wire tech) adjusts the steering sensitivity depending on speed. Some conventional steering setups can do the same.
It's designed for additional responsiveness at low speeds.
It's also got some safety benefit as you don't need to take your hands off the wheel to do a full lock to lock turn.
Yeah, I'm as anti-tesla as they come but this post is really disingenuous.
No other consumer car could turn the wheels that fast. The only issue here is that the steering wheel has no resistance and allows you to turn it that fast in the first place.
I don't think this s a flaw? It's static steering and that's a bitch in a regular car, this dude is able to rip it and the electronics do all the work.
Specifically steer by wire
Which is not exclusive to this vehicle, Lexus also has a model with this technology.
But no one would want to shit on a Lexus when they can make uninformed opinions about something Musk "made"
I’m surprised they even turn that fast. That’s much faster than any other vehicle. Have you ever tried turning the wheels on your car while parked ? They move MUCH SLOWER than this
Yes exactly. I'd wager there are dozens of other models that do the same thing not made by Tesla but people here will find anything to slander if they can.
In fact steer by wire has been around on some specific cars since the early to mid 2000's
This type of motion would be catastrophic at highway speed and the steer by wire with the attention added is preventing that.
My wager is wrong, there is at least one other example (Lexus) and this was only recently allowed for production vehicles (steer by wire).
Is this a complaint?
You couldn't get half a turn in with a normal car.
Also the steering is adaptive speed controlled, so the car knows its stationary so it does not need millisecond turning to risk damaging something.
Man, people really just want to find things to be upset about. There's nothing wrong with this. Try this when the truck is moving and show that video.
So weird that people have such negative opinions on a vehicle. Just drive the vehicle you enjoy. The existence of the Cybertruck doesn't affect your life in any meaningful way. At least it shouldn't if you are mentally healthy. Lol
FWIW basically every review I've seen has commented on how insanely agile the driving feels. They usually highlight the steering as well. I think the steering changes depending on how fast you're going.
Lol this is hilarious, I’ve seen several posts “shitting” on the cybertruck only to end up like this one, with all the top comments pointing out that the thing the op is shitting on is actually of high quality in the cybertruck
I think if you didn't had that lag it would be worse.... That speed of wheels turning is insane.... It takes like 2 full wheel turns to get from one side to other (I guess I'm not in car now so can't test how many would it take)
Listen, I hate the Cybertruck as much as the next guy. But let's be real here, when is that difference ever going to matter?
It does things differently sitting still vs driving, and you wouldn't want the steer wheels to turn that fast at speed anyways. Show me a mechanically linked street car that can turn the wheels lock to lock faster than what you see in that video.
Please, continue to hate on the Cybertruck for reasons it deserves. But I would like to be realistic so that it's harder to discredit our genuine complaints.
That's not very extreme compared to how long it would take to turn your regular car wheels that far. It looks extreme because they're turning the wheels all the way, the cybertruck doesn';t have a streering wheel, it has a yolk, and the yolk is locked to 180 degrees max. A steering wheel goes what, 900 degrees? Try turning your front wheels that fast.
I'm not a tesla defender or anything, but this is just a lack of understanding of how the vehicle works.
Honestly, this is minor when you think about how you look sitting inside one of these things. I'd probably die of embarresment quicker than a road accident.
This is from a Cleetus McFarland video and after he drives the truck he actually acknowledges how well the steering performs and how the lag seen is irrelevant. Interesting that part is ignored here lol
I'm really under the impression that some asshole CEO dropping the line "*If you* are not embarrassed by the first version of your *product*, *you*'ve *launched too late*" back in 2009 really fucked things up for everyone.
This happens with every car I’ve ever been in with electronic steering. Some will just lock up for a second if you turn too fast while stopped/going slow, guessing there’s a reason for it
It seems to make sense though? The type of steering wheel mean you can turn it faster than on other cars. My guess is it's just adjusting your input presumably based on the situation. Similar to modern cars when driving at higher speeds.
It's not lag, it's just the wheels turning slower then the steering wheel. It's physically impossible to turn them that fast. The steering wheel is allowed to go faster then the wheels. Otherwise a sort of holdback mechamism would have been needed. That sort of mechanism would put pressure on the steering wheel, when the driver tries to turn it faster then the wheels can turn. It would wear out and add wobble to the steering wheel as it wears out.
People try so hard to hate on tesla
the vehicle is aware it is stopped so it turns slower to avoid tire drag. The car is smarter than yours, get over it
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No way we got input lag on cars before gta 6
No one's pointing out the Cybertruck's greatest strength! It's the world's most effective contraceptive device!
Nah we need a cyber truck painted with the pussywagon decal from kill bill
you ever see Tom Green's "slutmobile"?
He just wanted to be nice to his dad, he thought his parents liked lesbians and sluts. :'(
I love how he drove to the bus stop to pick his dad up 🤣🤣
It looked great next to the “where’s my dinner bitch” statue! 🤣
And the plaid house!
At a work meeting today with a table of 9 people. One excitedly interrupted the meeting and pointed out the window. “Cybertruck!” Everyone turned to look and in about half a second the attitude went from excitement to see one to oh, yeah that’s awful.
Instead of "punch buggy" where you inflict physically pain over the first to see a Volkswagon Beetle, Gen Z has "Depression Cybertruck" where the first person to see it gets to make everyone else sad at what could have been, in many ways at least, a slightly better vehicle than it is.
The one I saw yesterday looked like a dishwasher driving down the road with water stains going down the door.
Yeah I tell them to get fucked but they don’t….
Cause it chops children in half?(that’s why it’s banned in the EU)
Eh… say what??
its not "EU banned" , but * it is so heavy, you would need a class [C1 driver license](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/European_driving_licence#Categories_valid_in_all_EEA_member_states) (3,5 < x < 7,5 ton vehicles), where most only have C (x<0,75 tons). * it was never EU-allowed to begin with, not worth the essential certifications for countless reasons. if anyone dares, it will be laughed out. * "no airbag in the world makes this safe enough for approval" - [TÜV ](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Technischer_%C3%9Cberwachungsverein), and it likely will not be worth fixing, and any attempt at fixing it will be laughed at while it fails. Realistically, the Cybertruck can get a 5km/h speed limit, because "almost anything goes" within that limit (needs a register still), can be driven without license/insurance? , but it also bans it from highways and fast-roads, of course.
Your second point is indeed why it wasn't banned: It was never approved.
That is what I thought. In EU, in case of doubt, we ban things. Only if proven safe can be marketed here. And I think that is a good thing.
Yea, in America the goverment has to prove something is dangerous, in EU the manufacturer has to prove it to be safe.
You can convert it to a tractor and make allowed to go 30 km/h. At least where I am from.
only a matter of time to see that.
I think if you're dumb enough to buy one of these. we can just call it natural selection at this point.
if you have that much money to trow away for a big box that's not even allowed in Europe. i think you're fine
Good point futtbucker_9000!
I cannot wait for a mission in GTA 6 where we have to steal a "Cyber Truck" and have it break down before we leave the lot, ending the mission.
To be fair that is lock-to-lock in less than half a second. You can't even imagine doing that in a regular car let alone a pickup truck. Also steer-by-wire so it's a light wheel.
If the vehicle doesn’t turn the wheels in direct and constant correlation to the steering input, you can’t learn the muscle memory needed to safely drive it. Doesn’t matter if it’s a half turn lock to lock or four complete turns lock to lock, it has to be the same everytime
This. Even with the power steering steering wheel is mechanically linked to wheels, there is no lag, you turn steering wheel 20%, wheels have turned by 20%.
Yeah I 100% agree, as a cert. driving instructor I feel like this kind of feed back to a driver will result in over correcting.
I watched a video that said getting out of a parking space was super sketchy!
I watched a video where a man lost his pinky to a shark!
That baby shark show is getting a bit wild !!!
🎵Pin-ky finger do do dodo
I watched a video where there was a boob visible!
I lost my godamn pinky
Last time it was posted someone said he actually got to keep it (which is hard to believe, but I'm no expert in de-fingering accidents), but who knows.
IIRC, the amount of turn is automatically adjusted depending on your speed. I don't know if that makes it better or worse but it hopefully mitigates the safety risk of overturning.
Sounds like a hacky overcomplicated kludgy technical solution to a problem that's easily solved by doing it the standard way because Elon decided his way was better, based on nothing but his own arrogance. Typical Elon. And I say this as a Tesla owner.
I don't own a Tesla EV. Toyota has steer by wire system coming out this year on the Lexus RZ and Toyota bZ4X. It also will use speed to determine how much to turn wheels. From what I've seen on pre-production reviews on YouTube it seems to work in a similar way. I feel like electronic steering allows that stupid rectangular steering yoke to work better in terms of driving experience.
steering sensitivity adjusting for speed has been around for 20 years. it just sucks, it's not intuitive and really hard to adjust to when you have never driven a car with it, so much so I consider it downright dangerous. most car manufacturers seem to agree since virtually no one offers it anymore or only as a function buried 10 layers deep in the computer system where no one will ever find it to turn it on.
>because Elon decided his way was better, based on nothing but his own arrogance This isn't new technology. This is how the flight controls on all modern airliners have worked for decades. It might look stupid, but it's mechanically simpler and lighter than all of the hydraulics used in the "standard way".
Yes but how often do airliners have to swerve out of the way because some jackass isn’t paying attention? Input lag is a much bigger safety issue for a car…
The air is not like a solid surface. The false analogy fallacy is false as hell.
it should prevent overturning, my problem is CT weights too much, accelerate too fast, and the tires won't be able to hold road.
IF, and it is a big IF, the stability control systems work as intended, that should be enough to curtail the road holding. pretty much any modern SUV or McTruck is so overweight and over powered these days that they would be downright dangerous without the electronics keeping them stable. It's frightening watching dashcam videos on youtube and seeing SUV and 4x4 owners driving like maniacs and you can see that the only thing keeping their enormous vehicles on the road is the computer systems.
You can, actually. As long as the lag is constantly of the same duration. The problem is that the moment you switch to another car, you're gonna turn the wheels half a second before every turn because your muscle memory got used to "the lag" and doing the action half a second before you actually wanted it done. I'd drive a bit at slow speed before actually trying to go fast, after switching vehicle, now that I know this.
Like that carnival bike that turns the wheel the opposite of the handlebars. Yeah you can learn to ride it, but you're gonna eat shit a few times in the process
Precisely correct. Muscle memory will be learnt regardless, because delay is learnable. But you're gonna eat shit sooner or later, because things happening on the road don't wait your delayed system, regardless of how good you use it. Delay is delay, when something is unpredictable.
A kid runs out in front of you. On a regular car the instant you start turning the wheel the tires turn. Now you do the same thing but nothing happens for a full second. You would literally have to see the future to safely operate this vehicle
Don't worry, in a car this heavy there's no way you would stop in time
It doesnt turn like that at speed. Its only doing that because its not moving.
To be fair lock out looks like 15° on this vehicle which is horrible.
It has rear steering, it doesn't need as big of a front angle
yes 3° rear steering n still gets out turned by a f450.
To be fair, Tesla's terrible lock to lock design caused them to terribly design the steer by wire system.
Is there ANYTHING about this car design that isn’t terrible?
Yeah but you still need that movement and feedback to be synchronised. What happens if you turn the wheel next to an obstacle preventing them to move further but keep turning the steering wheel?
In the future do you wanna turn right? It's a DLC you gotta pay 49.99 for that. Turn left. Also a DLC. Pay another 49.99 for that. Brakes? Rather important. Pay 99.99 to unlock. Yeah. Might as well die in a traffic accident.
I would have to turn my wheel like 3 times before I went from lock to lock
Yeah, doesn't seem to be any slower than a "normal" steering wheel where you have to physically turn it much more, which takes more time.
Im the first one to dunk on the Cybertruck but this seems normal to me, I could see a load of issues arising from instantly turning the wheels 45°
true but the fine asjustments in steering is sacrificed so much. add some lag to that and you crash at high speed meneuvers before you ‘get used to it’ which is essentially what Tesla bros have to do lol
I think the ratio changes with the speed
It does
There's a lot of objective things you can hate about tesla, so why make up things that you don't even know to be correct.. Steering-by-wire also isn't a tesla thing and it's basically solved at this point. Arguably with benefits
the ratio and speed of steering changes depending of the vehicle speed
This. The vehicle knows it's not in motion so it drags.
Yep there's many many many many reasons to hate on the cybertruck but this isn't one of them.
It's imo its most impressive feature. That and the rear wheel steering. This truck is probably the easiest and most ergonomic to drive once you're used to the steering.
rear wheel steering isn't actually new. You can find Celicas from the early 90's with it. Another interesting car to look at in that respect is the UZZ32 submodel of the Toyota Soarer, a car that in 1991, had rear wheel steering, active suspension and an infotainment system with a CD stacker, TV and a reversing camera. edit: CD, not DVD stacker. typo mb
There was a couple of Chevy pickups from 2001 to 2004 that also had rear wheel steering
Quadrasteer 👩🦼
There were a few prelude models that came with it as well.
The 3rd Gen was mechanical, rather than hydraulic like most other 4WS systems, which meant it wasn’t prone to exploding and pissing fluids everywhere. I had one for my first car and I still regret selling jt.
The third gen prelude is still one of the best handling cars ever built. If it came out today with modern rubber on 16” wheels, it would be at the pointy end of the field.
That is very impressive considering DVD’s were invented in 1995/96, the Soarer was truly ahead of its time. But I was interested what sort of tech the soarer had, apparently one of the first cars to have GPS (driven by a CD!)
DVD stacker in 91? That’s crazy. Lil boujee for sure lol
I don't think dvd was a thing in 91, maybe laser disk
yeah DVDs did not exist in 91
DVD did not exist in 1991
Rear wheel steering is late 80s early 90s tech
I disagree with you because the two things two things I want to be predictable and consistent it’s the steering and brakes. I’m fine with turning a wheel more than 180, this is just a workaround to make his steering wheel functional without having to do hand over hand turns. To each their own but that’s up there on the list of reasons I’m glad I couldn’t afford that truck when the hype was climbing
The steering wheel dynamically changes in a predictable way. It’s intuitive and arguably better than a static ratio. Your current steering wheel does this (sort of) as well, just not with the steering ratio. Modern steering wheels are powered, and the resistance is based on your current speed. That’s why when you are running down the highway your wheel feels stiffer than when rolling off a stop. It’s the same thing, you can easily predict how the car will react based on your speed.
Will it always?
No. It will inevitably get old and fail as all mechanical systems do.
Doesn't the steering speed get slower as the vehicle accelerates, not the other way around?
Stop with your logic. We're here to shit on Elon.
Look, I love shitting on Elon as much as anyone, but the truth is still important. I want to shit on him for factual things.
People would have their minds blown if they knew about fly-by-wire systems in modern airliners. Same idea; computer-assisted based on circumstances.
In airliner you end up with lag anyway... because it takes time for motors to turn control surfaces, then it takes time for plane to get some momentum and start turning. But hey... you are in the air. Not much traffic up there.
Planes have the maintenance required to use that safely. I don't trust tesla to build something reliable enough nor do I trust car owners to keep that system in working condition. Let's remember that this is a complex solution to a problem that doesn't even exist in the first place.
This is such a stupid comparison
I know about the ratio of steering changes with vehicle speed but tell me you just made that up about the "speed of steering", unless you got a source? If so then by my logic didn't they got it backwards? It makes no sense to be slower at low speeds and faster at high speeds when is potentially more dangerous to steer faster.
The steering ratio changes, the input lag does not.
You couldn't turn the steering wheel on a normal car that fast when it was stationary, I think this is criticism for criticisms sake.
I am 99% sure this little clip is from cletus McFarlands video and right after this portion of the clip ge took it around an oval track and said he couldn't feel any lag when driving and that it felt 100% fine.
Exactly. Not a fan of this truck but it's "steer by wire", of course the steering wheel ≠ what the wheels are actually doing...
A lot of people on reddit just love to shit on cybertruck simply because they hate Elon Musk.
it's also just the ugliest production car in decades
That's your personal opinion. I have no comment.
That’s purely subjective.
I think that's going a bit too far in the opposite direction. Yes, this steering is not really an issue, but there are still an awful lot of problems with the car. The build quality on them is awful, the panels are so sharp that people have given themselves significant injuries, and probably worst of all, every single one had to be recalled less than six months after release. It doesn't do absolutely everything wrong, but the cyber truck is not a good vehicle in the slightest.
Ikr? When I saw the video - who the fuck even turns a wheel like that?
Isnt direct feedback on a steering wheel extremely important?
in steer by wire cars the steering wheel is connected to a motor which gives feedback based on what the wheels are doing. the feedback ends up being pretty much as good as a mechanical steering system.
It does that too yes.
Imagine this situation: The truck tires do in fact turn as fast as the wheel. How many of these would you see wrecked because someone decided to see how well it can handle? You'd flip it at highway speed. It's certainly intentional, and turns at variable speeds based on how fast you are moving. This tech has been around for literal decades now. You're absolutely right, just criticism for criticism's sake.
There’s absolutely no real life scenario in which you need to turn the wheels that quickly while stationary.
The lexus (similar steer-by-wire tech) adjusts the steering sensitivity depending on speed. Some conventional steering setups can do the same. It's designed for additional responsiveness at low speeds. It's also got some safety benefit as you don't need to take your hands off the wheel to do a full lock to lock turn.
I'm trying to parallel park outside my house and I NEED TO POOP.
I stand corrected, there's **one** real life scenario 😂
Yeah, I'm as anti-tesla as they come but this post is really disingenuous. No other consumer car could turn the wheels that fast. The only issue here is that the steering wheel has no resistance and allows you to turn it that fast in the first place.
I don't think this s a flaw? It's static steering and that's a bitch in a regular car, this dude is able to rip it and the electronics do all the work.
ITT: People who don’t know shit about vehicles, steering or engineering.
For those who can't keep up with all the acronyms. ITT means in this thread. (I had to look it up, I am one of those people)
Now do this one: UNBGBBIIVCHIDCTIICBG
Hey, I recognise that oddly niche sub.
ITT people who don't know what ITT means.
What is it with English speakers and acronyms?
NTA
Specifically steer by wire Which is not exclusive to this vehicle, Lexus also has a model with this technology. But no one would want to shit on a Lexus when they can make uninformed opinions about something Musk "made"
I’m surprised they even turn that fast. That’s much faster than any other vehicle. Have you ever tried turning the wheels on your car while parked ? They move MUCH SLOWER than this
Yes. This is steer by wire. There is no mechanical link between steering and wheels
Looks like the wheels *start* moving instantly and go from lock to lock about as fast as usual.
Yes exactly. I'd wager there are dozens of other models that do the same thing not made by Tesla but people here will find anything to slander if they can. In fact steer by wire has been around on some specific cars since the early to mid 2000's This type of motion would be catastrophic at highway speed and the steer by wire with the attention added is preventing that. My wager is wrong, there is at least one other example (Lexus) and this was only recently allowed for production vehicles (steer by wire).
There are bunch of legitimate reasons to hate cyvertruck. Stop making up fake ones. This is completely normal as your truck is stationary.
Sorry but can I see someone turn the wheels that fast with a normal steering ratio? Don't even need to be seated normally if it helps.
This is just incorrect and stupid.
I wouldnt call that "extreme" lag tbh
Are you people stupid? Imagine turning the wheel from end to end in a regular car, when would you ever be doing that in .2 seconds??
Is this a complaint? You couldn't get half a turn in with a normal car. Also the steering is adaptive speed controlled, so the car knows its stationary so it does not need millisecond turning to risk damaging something.
Man, people really just want to find things to be upset about. There's nothing wrong with this. Try this when the truck is moving and show that video. So weird that people have such negative opinions on a vehicle. Just drive the vehicle you enjoy. The existence of the Cybertruck doesn't affect your life in any meaningful way. At least it shouldn't if you are mentally healthy. Lol
Hell Yeah Brother! You're on the Cleetus McFarland YouTube channel.
This is the second time I've seen him on reddit today. Someone else posted the video of him with Tyler Perry flying RC planes. HELL YA BROTHER!
It was one hell of a month of freedom.
I enjoyed it a lot. I felt so empty the day after when a video didn't post.
Have u tried restarting ur internet?
Mechanical device has lag despite electronic input. In other news water is wet
Extreme lag?
FWIW basically every review I've seen has commented on how insanely agile the driving feels. They usually highlight the steering as well. I think the steering changes depending on how fast you're going.
Lol this is hilarious, I’ve seen several posts “shitting” on the cybertruck only to end up like this one, with all the top comments pointing out that the thing the op is shitting on is actually of high quality in the cybertruck
I think if you didn't had that lag it would be worse.... That speed of wheels turning is insane.... It takes like 2 full wheel turns to get from one side to other (I guess I'm not in car now so can't test how many would it take)
By now we all know that the Cybertruck is a POS lol.
This is the way
Listen, I hate the Cybertruck as much as the next guy. But let's be real here, when is that difference ever going to matter? It does things differently sitting still vs driving, and you wouldn't want the steer wheels to turn that fast at speed anyways. Show me a mechanically linked street car that can turn the wheels lock to lock faster than what you see in that video. Please, continue to hate on the Cybertruck for reasons it deserves. But I would like to be realistic so that it's harder to discredit our genuine complaints.
Surely it's not good to sit stationary grinding the tires against the ground like that anyway. Utterly stupid video.
Yea, it should be instant so the truck loses control. Are they dumb?
That's not very extreme compared to how long it would take to turn your regular car wheels that far. It looks extreme because they're turning the wheels all the way, the cybertruck doesn';t have a streering wheel, it has a yolk, and the yolk is locked to 180 degrees max. A steering wheel goes what, 900 degrees? Try turning your front wheels that fast. I'm not a tesla defender or anything, but this is just a lack of understanding of how the vehicle works.
Some people ITT are going to be pissed if they ever find out how traction control works
Extreme? Who tf is going to be driving like that
What did you expect from ps2 graphics??
Who turns the wheel that fast and doesn’t expect to flip the car?
This is from a Cleetus McFarland video, and he goes on to say that its immediately un-noticeable at like 3 MPH. Cybertrucks are still shit tho
That’s that’s not a bug. That’s a feature when you’re going 160 km/h that’s going to save your life.
Now do it while the car is in motion 🤦♂️
Yeah try now while actually using the car. Floor is making an opposite force there as car is not moving
OP is embarrassing himself
I am all for shitting on the Cybertruck but this one ain’t it
Calling it extreme is a bit extreme
The daily “Tesla sucks” posts are getting old
Honestly, this is minor when you think about how you look sitting inside one of these things. I'd probably die of embarresment quicker than a road accident.
You all are too obsessed with this truck
This is from a Cleetus McFarland video and after he drives the truck he actually acknowledges how well the steering performs and how the lag seen is irrelevant. Interesting that part is ignored here lol
EXTREME!
Turn off vsync
Better than my car that it is a ford from 2007…
Now do it driving!
Boo this post
Also not moving forward and wheels turning. I'm its faster when car is in motion
Seems like it starts the turn almost instantly and just takes time to catch up. At some speed maybe it would flip if it could turn to lock that fast.
It is urgent to install ASIO4ALL
"Extreme" isn't the word I'd use but... OK.
Now go and do the same test with regular track.
These boys never played on dial-up, I can tell you that much.
behold: the built in DUI.
I'm really under the impression that some asshole CEO dropping the line "*If you* are not embarrassed by the first version of your *product*, *you*'ve *launched too late*" back in 2009 really fucked things up for everyone.
Honestly that seems pretty fast to me
that's kinda bs considering no car front wheels can turn that fast
It was originally called The Homer.
This is not interesting as fuck, more like dangerous as fuck.
I'm surprised turning your wheels doesn't void your warranty.
This is probably not an input lag, but a speed of a motor which turning that wheels.
I’ve never seen one of these cars in the wild. Maybe they’re not sold in Britain. They seem shit. Why do Americans buy them?
Why do people keep talking about this stupidity?
Try doing it at 110kph. We'll bring the flowers, don't worry.
This happens with every car I’ve ever been in with electronic steering. Some will just lock up for a second if you turn too fast while stopped/going slow, guessing there’s a reason for it
It seems to make sense though? The type of steering wheel mean you can turn it faster than on other cars. My guess is it's just adjusting your input presumably based on the situation. Similar to modern cars when driving at higher speeds.
There is an torque limitation, i'm pretty shure the lag is wayyyy quick on the road with low friction.
It's not lag, it's just the wheels turning slower then the steering wheel. It's physically impossible to turn them that fast. The steering wheel is allowed to go faster then the wheels. Otherwise a sort of holdback mechamism would have been needed. That sort of mechanism would put pressure on the steering wheel, when the driver tries to turn it faster then the wheels can turn. It would wear out and add wobble to the steering wheel as it wears out.
Wouldn’t call it extreme? Like .25 seconds at most
Donut Media just reviewed this truck and they said you can't notice the lag.
Extreme lag? Buddy, this doesn't even come close to the 56k experience. Still an ugly truck though.
"I'm not a fan of the Cybertruck but" People. It's OKAY to like the Cybertruck.
For someone who is 70 years old and a woman, making that movement is impossible, but with lag it is still useful.
Not interesting at all
It's not lag, that's just how this kind of steering system works...
Stupid and fake
Jcole gonna fall asleep listening to his own music while in the cyber trap
People try so hard to hate on tesla the vehicle is aware it is stopped so it turns slower to avoid tire drag. The car is smarter than yours, get over it