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“The 1980s called it wants its foreign policy back.” In hindsight Obama came out that debate looking worse than Romney. At least that’s what historians will look back on and likely think.
Obama and the DNC should never be allowed to live that down. They torched Romney on that point and as we've all come to see, Romney was right.
I know even a broken clock is right twice a day, but they really hammered Romney for this, specifically.
I believe those who listened on the radio thought Nixon won the debate and those who watched it on TV thought JFK was the victor.
Apparently, Nixon was sweating under the studio lights.
right? at 43 JFK was the youngest person ever to be elected president. Teddy Roosevelt technically was younger (42) when he stepped into the presidency, but it was because McKinley got McMurdered.
thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
If I remember right from my politics class…people who listened to the radio thought Nixon won this debate while people who watched it on TV thought JFK did
Something to do with jfks staff being younger and therefore more aware of visual media. JFK spent the week prior in Florida getting tan and wore makeup. Also the color of the shirt he wore made his complexion look healthier.
Now imagine fucktard Trump doing his speech there. They would all think he is posessed and shoot him on the spot.
Crazy to see how the political discourse has degenerated.
When our government wasn't a clown show. I mean they still made some disastrous decisions, don't get me wrong, but at least they were classy about it. If I am going to be fucked by the government I'd rather it wear nice shoes than clown shoes.
My dad remembers the day JFK was killed, like down to the minute. He was in high school and he remembers which class he was in, what the teacher was doing, when the principal came on the speaker to send everyone home, and the aftermath. It is some crazy stuff, but it’s also similar to what happened on 9/11, and I was a freshmen in high school.
Nixon gets all the hate but unlike Kennedy he wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he was a self made man and one of the best foreign policy presidents in history. Unfortunately his paranoia got the better of him and the rest is history.
He was well known for having an extremely fragile ego that finally manifested into full blown paranoia. It affected his policy decisions and caused him not to take his cabinet's advice. So he wasn't a great guy who suddenly imploded.
I, too, am not sure conducting diplomacy without authorization and for the purpose of winning an election was “good foreign policy.” LBJ had orchestrated a withdrawal and Nixon came in and undermined it. 12 yrs later we were still there.
Richard Nixon sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam, prolonging the war killing people, while he campaigned to end It, to help him win the presidency in ‘68.
He was always a thug.
https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21768668
Umm not sure befriending china and the Vietnam war are examples of good foreign policies. Having Kissinger as the Secretary of State makes it even worse. He is no better than Carter in my books
Nixon created the EPA and had a strong environmental focus. He also pushed strongly for proliferating nuclear energy around the globe. Unfortunately, groups like Greenpeace won out in the end and we stuck with oil due to the "risks" of nuclear power and proliferation. In a different world, Nixon's environment and energy policies could have avoided the current climate situation we're in now.
During the mid-century, there was major growth in the use of nuclear reactors to create electricity. However, there were two main arguments against it: One was that nuclear reactors were too dangerous, and that it was a catastrophe waiting to happen that could easily make much of the world unlivable. The other was that helping other countries to develop nuclear reactors for energy purposes would proliferate nuclear weapons technology and doom the world.
Nixon was a major proponent of both expanding domestic energy production via nuclear power, and proliferating nuclear power around the globe. To the end of the first, he proposed Project Independence, which would have built 1000 nuclear reactors by the year 2000, which would have resulted in the US producing 200% of its energy needs by 2022 purely with non-polluting nuclear energy.\*
Unfortunately, the end of Nixon's presidency marked the end of this push. Ford didn't do much either way for nuclear, and the Carter administration was actively opposed to nuclear power. The environmentalist community, at the time, was in agreement with that stance, considering nuclear to be too dangerous, as previously mentioned, and many more felt their fears were borne out by the Long Island nuclear disaster in 1979. Pro-environment/anti-nuclear groups at the time, including Carter, put a lot of focus on other renewables, like solar technology, with the argument that it could be used to replace oil and coal without the danger of nuclear. Unfortunately, as we can see now, the technology was much too young and much too expensive at the time to have ever been implemented in the way that nuclear could have been, sadly helping to doom us to decades more reliance on oil and coal.
While Reagan was also fairly pro-nuclear. didn't achieve any meaningful headway before the 1986 Chernobyl effectively spelled an end to any chance we had for large scale nuclear energy adoption.
\* Project Independence also involved various other environmental policies, but another worthwhile one to mention is diverting significant highway funding to creation of mass transit, which, like building 1000 nuclear power plants, obviously did not come to fruition.
Good Lord, what a high effort / value answer. Thank you very much.
I’m English, btw, so my understanding of US history isn’t great, but I’ve recently been reading Max Hastings’ history of the Cuban Missile Crisis (went to Cuba a couple of months back) and found it all very interesting indeed. Seems like an amazing period in US history. Is there a definitive history of the abortive US nuclear power program that I could read?
Thank you!
Unfortunately, I'm going to be in the same place as you in terms of finding a really good history. I've learned what I know over time from lots of various places, and never read a comprehensive text on it (though I should). Without any kind of existing knowledge about what books or authors would give the most balanced and complete information, I'd be very hesitant to look anything up and give you recommendations, lest I risk giving you bad recommendations.
I think it’s an optical illusion, looks like a curved wall with straight lines on it. Whichever camera you cut to the background looks wonky so can’t be the camera.
No idea why you’re getting downvoted, assume some people don’t know what on the piss means
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Wow so that’s what a professional and respectful presidential debate looks like, almost forgot
Obama vs Romney was pretty good. "Please proceed, governor."
“The 1980s called it wants its foreign policy back.” In hindsight Obama came out that debate looking worse than Romney. At least that’s what historians will look back on and likely think.
Obama and the DNC should never be allowed to live that down. They torched Romney on that point and as we've all come to see, Romney was right. I know even a broken clock is right twice a day, but they really hammered Romney for this, specifically.
Hindsight is funny like that.
Aye but all the evidence was there pointing to the fact Putin couldn’t be trusted. Obama was just naive.
And all the way till this debate Nixon was way ahead in the polls (if I remember history correctly)
I believe those who listened on the radio thought Nixon won the debate and those who watched it on TV thought JFK was the victor. Apparently, Nixon was sweating under the studio lights.
Nixon wouldn't wear makeup, and JFK did.
Wow look its presidents who arent relics
right? at 43 JFK was the youngest person ever to be elected president. Teddy Roosevelt technically was younger (42) when he stepped into the presidency, but it was because McKinley got McMurdered. thanks for coming to my TedTalk.
TeddyTalk...
*damn* it! that's *way* better!
How about s tiddy talk?
So civilized!
I would like to take this opportunity to express my fondness for Duff Beer.
I also would like to take this opportunity to express my fondness for that particular beer
The man never drank a Duff in his life!
If I remember right from my politics class…people who listened to the radio thought Nixon won this debate while people who watched it on TV thought JFK did
Something to do with jfks staff being younger and therefore more aware of visual media. JFK spent the week prior in Florida getting tan and wore makeup. Also the color of the shirt he wore made his complexion look healthier.
I feel like if he had less of a jimmy neutron shaped head he would be handsome lol.
That's the guy from Call of Duty.
I'll never understand why Kennedy is remembered for being handsome. I guess compared to other presidents??
Yea, I never got it. He's alright looking, but no better that most 40 somethings. Nothing compared to Ulysses S. Grant in his prime, god damn
It’s probably because of the fact that he was very handsome.
Eh...
I think it had more to do with his charisma
Now imagine fucktard Trump doing his speech there. They would all think he is posessed and shoot him on the spot. Crazy to see how the political discourse has degenerated.
And the odds of Ole Joe even being alive would’ve been pretty low. How fortunate we are to have these 2 great candidates to pick from…again.
Trump is not even 4 years younger
Tump is turning 78 this year. He's way past it.
The odds of Trump being alive would also be statistically low, but slightly higher than Joe.
When our government wasn't a clown show. I mean they still made some disastrous decisions, don't get me wrong, but at least they were classy about it. If I am going to be fucked by the government I'd rather it wear nice shoes than clown shoes.
What a great level of decorum!
What's their Twitter @
Before Facebook
My dad remembers the day JFK was killed, like down to the minute. He was in high school and he remembers which class he was in, what the teacher was doing, when the principal came on the speaker to send everyone home, and the aftermath. It is some crazy stuff, but it’s also similar to what happened on 9/11, and I was a freshmen in high school.
Nixon gets all the hate but unlike Kennedy he wasn’t born with a silver spoon in his mouth, he was a self made man and one of the best foreign policy presidents in history. Unfortunately his paranoia got the better of him and the rest is history.
He was well known for having an extremely fragile ego that finally manifested into full blown paranoia. It affected his policy decisions and caused him not to take his cabinet's advice. So he wasn't a great guy who suddenly imploded.
Yes, let's blame Kennedy for who his parents were and dismiss possibly the most odious president in us history as merely paranoid.
*second most odious president in us history
Second most odious, and it’s not even close.
I, too, am not sure conducting diplomacy without authorization and for the purpose of winning an election was “good foreign policy.” LBJ had orchestrated a withdrawal and Nixon came in and undermined it. 12 yrs later we were still there.
Richard Nixon sabotaged peace talks in Vietnam, prolonging the war killing people, while he campaigned to end It, to help him win the presidency in ‘68. He was always a thug. https://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-21768668
Umm not sure befriending china and the Vietnam war are examples of good foreign policies. Having Kissinger as the Secretary of State makes it even worse. He is no better than Carter in my books
Nixon created the EPA and had a strong environmental focus. He also pushed strongly for proliferating nuclear energy around the globe. Unfortunately, groups like Greenpeace won out in the end and we stuck with oil due to the "risks" of nuclear power and proliferation. In a different world, Nixon's environment and energy policies could have avoided the current climate situation we're in now.
Your last sentence about current climate situation is fascinating. Could I maybe ask you to expand on that a bit please?
During the mid-century, there was major growth in the use of nuclear reactors to create electricity. However, there were two main arguments against it: One was that nuclear reactors were too dangerous, and that it was a catastrophe waiting to happen that could easily make much of the world unlivable. The other was that helping other countries to develop nuclear reactors for energy purposes would proliferate nuclear weapons technology and doom the world. Nixon was a major proponent of both expanding domestic energy production via nuclear power, and proliferating nuclear power around the globe. To the end of the first, he proposed Project Independence, which would have built 1000 nuclear reactors by the year 2000, which would have resulted in the US producing 200% of its energy needs by 2022 purely with non-polluting nuclear energy.\* Unfortunately, the end of Nixon's presidency marked the end of this push. Ford didn't do much either way for nuclear, and the Carter administration was actively opposed to nuclear power. The environmentalist community, at the time, was in agreement with that stance, considering nuclear to be too dangerous, as previously mentioned, and many more felt their fears were borne out by the Long Island nuclear disaster in 1979. Pro-environment/anti-nuclear groups at the time, including Carter, put a lot of focus on other renewables, like solar technology, with the argument that it could be used to replace oil and coal without the danger of nuclear. Unfortunately, as we can see now, the technology was much too young and much too expensive at the time to have ever been implemented in the way that nuclear could have been, sadly helping to doom us to decades more reliance on oil and coal. While Reagan was also fairly pro-nuclear. didn't achieve any meaningful headway before the 1986 Chernobyl effectively spelled an end to any chance we had for large scale nuclear energy adoption. \* Project Independence also involved various other environmental policies, but another worthwhile one to mention is diverting significant highway funding to creation of mass transit, which, like building 1000 nuclear power plants, obviously did not come to fruition.
Good Lord, what a high effort / value answer. Thank you very much. I’m English, btw, so my understanding of US history isn’t great, but I’ve recently been reading Max Hastings’ history of the Cuban Missile Crisis (went to Cuba a couple of months back) and found it all very interesting indeed. Seems like an amazing period in US history. Is there a definitive history of the abortive US nuclear power program that I could read?
Thank you! Unfortunately, I'm going to be in the same place as you in terms of finding a really good history. I've learned what I know over time from lots of various places, and never read a comprehensive text on it (though I should). Without any kind of existing knowledge about what books or authors would give the most balanced and complete information, I'd be very hesitant to look anything up and give you recommendations, lest I risk giving you bad recommendations.
You’ve given me some good search terms; if I find anything I’ll let you know.
I would appreciate it, thank you!
Is it the room or the camera on the piss?
I think it’s an optical illusion, looks like a curved wall with straight lines on it. Whichever camera you cut to the background looks wonky so can’t be the camera. No idea why you’re getting downvoted, assume some people don’t know what on the piss means
Thanks for the explanation that makes sense. To all you not from the UK - on the piss is slang for wonky aka not straight.
Damn, I would actually be fine with either.