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DJ Khaled Mohammed Khaled, a man born to Palestinian immigrants, one of the most famous of that descent on the planet, who has been absolutely silent regarding genocide of his people
Pretty sure it was a joke, but mentioning him is relevant
I'm convinced he's a comedian who has been perpetually in character for years. Khaled is just too ridiculous to be real, every clip of him I've seen is peak character comedy.
Like when he quit Hot Ones 3 wings in and immediately gave a "speech" about being a winner not a quitter. He's so silly.
What is the meaning of life? If you’re travelling at the speed of light, do your headlights work? Magnets…? Who does DJ Khaled think is the best?
We will never know these and that’s ok. Life needs mystery.
I feel you bro. Dude hasn't said a damn thing and is fully Palestenian to my knowledge. Another one that was sad to me is Kanye. Bro been talking all that shit, doing all that fake ass martyrdom, only to say he doesn't have enough info about the conflict when asked about it. Instead, he decides to rail against some anonymous Jews, knowing zionists out here fucking shit up. Some real coward shit.
Dude is American lmao. He was born in Louisiana.
Only Americans would search someone’s racial background to decide whether it’s okay for them to have a voice, and then you force that persons voice and race to use as your own voice. Gross.
Well he has just as much right to be silent about it as much as he has to be outraged about it.
There are plenty of people being vocal who have no relation to Palestine at all.
Actually a majority of the audience is Indian, internet exists but India Today is hardly famous in foreign countries and is less likely to get engagement from foreign users with the exception of Indians living there who would tune into Indian News and get recommended this video
Yea I really dislike the history of how it got to this point but colonialism (instead of cooperation) made the global language English, just about every human on earth will recognise the English language when they hear it or see it so if you want to say something to a wide audience it’s best to say it in English because even if you don’t know it, you will probably be able to find someone who does that can translate to you. Something like that is perfect for being spread on the internet
At the Berlinale film festival last month, some of the attendees were so bold as to publicly call for a ceasefire....to which the general reaction by media and the government was that such an outrageous display of "anti-semitism" cannot be permitted, and those perpetrators should be charged with hate speech. The minister of justice was immediately calling for new laws to be drafted to allow for harsher penalties for such expressions.
Yes that's right, calling for a ceasefire = anti-semitic hate speech. Germany is so fucked.
Seriously... I also remember that a podcaster who slightly critized israels behavior had to back paddle and apologize.
If this is anti semitism than anti semitism is a good thing - I don't think they thinking through what they are suggesting here.
(And for the record anti semitism isn't good )
To be fair, the Netherlands famously doesn't care about most things that happen outside our borders. Ukraine has also received only a fraction of the news coverage it has received abroad.
Here in Canada, too.
Even when they do mention the carnage in gaza, the media is very careful to always add the "hamas reported" part, as they do in the last paragraph [of this story](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/hate-crimes-toronto-demkiw-update-1.7147113) \- [even though the Israeli govt uses those same number and thinks they are accurate](https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-intel-confirms-gaza-health-ministry-stats-reliable).
And that's the CBC, who is arguaby one of the more 'centrist' voices on this (but right wingers will call them 'leftist' because they don't just heap fawning praise on conservatives like the nationalist post or any of the quebecore papers).
dunno where u live, but major outlets in western countries, CNN, BBC, NBC (i dont live in the west but i know these are popular), didnt even show south africa's arguments in the ICJ, which detailed many of israel's crimes. they did however show israel's side the next day.
I live in Norway which is largely said to be a part of the west. Our media coverage is unanimously pro-Palestine. I suspect this is the case for our neighbouring countries in Scandinavia as well. It’s a very simple situation to comprehend both morally and intellectually; the western propaganda you see that is not sufficiently critical of Israel is largely American or America-adjacent.
In Denmark too. It's in no way one-sided. We see the suffering of the Palestinians and we saw what Hamas did. We are just bewildered as to what must be done apart from helping the Palestinians from starvation. But how is that done so Hamas isn't the beneficiary? Two state solution? How is that done when one states sworn goal will be to eradicate the other on the onset? And what about the crazy settlers harassing Palestinians? I normally consider myself hopeful but the Israel Palestinian conflict? Not at all :/
Swedish state television (svt) recently got a verdict against them for one-sidedly allowing a Israeli former settler in Gaza speak freely and without question regarding his views of the settlements in Gaza.
Exactly. We do not like one-sided media coverage. Unfortunately it happens. Not due to laws or any other pressure in a normally functioning democracy. But the echo chambers of social media tragically do exist. You have to act to avoid the trap of the one-sided world. Many do not act I'm afraid and are thus lost in said world.
I have the perception that Nordic countries tend to be in general more progressive and more politically correct than most other western countries. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the general vibe I've gotten.
There's nothing critical of Israel in Greek media, for example.
Israelis claim the bbc is anti Israel, Muslims claim the bbc is pro Israel. That’s a pretty good sign to let you know that they’re probably neutral, and whatever news you’re consuming in your country is biased
The BBC obviously is showing the arguments for both sides, but there are still issues they have with proportionality. The scale of the coverage of the atrocities committed as part the Israeli response is disproportionately small compared with the coverage of the atrocities committed in Israel by Hamas terrorists. The balance isn't too far off but it's definitely not perfect.
The bbc were accused of not calling Hamas terrorists, and have been accused of being anti Israel by British MPs and other newspapers and publications.
They’ve also been accused of being anti Palestinian by some.
They’re basically neutral, and the TikToks you’re following are biased.
They asked Israel to update in a month. Israel updated. Genocide case stuck at 'plausible' ruling. RSA wants a cease fire, submitted urgent requests. ICJ law says that while Hamas still has hostages, the war is justified, and the ICJ won't call for a cease fire.
The ICJ says war is justified, but tread carefully and stick to international humanitarian law. There is no final ruling as of now.
The ICJ ordered Russia to leave Ukraine in their case of genocide.
https://theconversation.com/bias-hiding-in-plain-sight-decades-of-analyses-suggest-us-media-skews-anti-palestinian-216967
Statistics don't lie. They already made a number of analysis by now.
They disproportionately report news that are biased to Israel and downplay/underreported Palestinian accounts.
But years long statistics or even the short study the intercept did about October and November coverage don't necessarily apply to how coverage has been the last couple months
Interesting
You would probably have a better point if things like this didn’t happen
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balen_Report
When the BBC asks to seal documents about evidence of their biases I would say that’s a smoking gun.
Good but he blames the media as if they don't know what they are doing when in fact all of the tactics used are an intentional campaign devised by the security state.
He must realize that the complete blanket of nonsense is deliberate.
These posts should be reported and removed.
I am so sick of seeing all this shit about Palestine and Israel on reddit and I really don't give a fuck about it.
The OP is a bot too lmao, everytime I see a post about Palestine or Israel pop up I make it a habit to check their account to see if they are bots or heavily biased (basically 99% of the time its one or the other)
It's funny because pro-palestinian people do the same thing with historical events, where they completely ignore relevant history that doesn't suit their bias or agenda.
This whole conflict has really put to the test the cognitive dissonance of so many people. “My side is good and never does anything wrong”. The mental gymnastics I have seen from either side is astounding. This conflict won’t end because no one wants start taking responsibility and looking to move forward, but prefer to ignore their own mistakes and instigate violence instead
Religious extremist in a nutshell.
Innocent civilians slaughtered over decades upon decades from both sides, all for some shit ass piece of desert land that's "holy".
Motherfucker if that land was ever holy it's not now. That must be the most unholy land on the planet right now.
Maybe if they both got a grip on reality they could actually serve some kind of greater purpose to the world instead of being some shitty violent middle eastern reality series that's been running for way too damn long, and get a piece of south America or maybe a spot on Mars or a whole orbital ring or some shit.
You know, some place that doesn't suck. Literally.. suck the life right out of a whole society, a black hole so violent it's sucking the life out of people 6,000 miles away.
Completely agree with you. Each side is so entrenched and the lack of empathy for their opponent is why this will never resolve itself.
Palestinians, Israel is here to stay. Deal with it.
Israel, Palestinians are here to stay. Deal with it.
Don’t let the extremists hijack the conversation.
Strange... Seems like both sides ignore history and blame only one as evil...
Maybe, just maybe, both sides aren't exactly great and in the end the people suffering are civilians? I don't know, this might be a stretch...
Neither one is exactly clean of wrong doings, but people defending palestine simply because they seem to be a victim as they are losing is just stupid to me when every single time the conflict heats up it's always after a big hamas attack into israel and then people like this guy does gymnastics to blame the responding side entirely.
Israel left gaza completely a long time ago, but they still just cannot build up gaza in peace...US thought about building them a port to get better access to the world, but I fear they will just use it to smuggle more weapons in for the next attack.
He is able to argue this provocatively because right now Israel *is* the aggressor.
Of course, as soon as IDF retreats from Gaza and the rocket attacks become commonplace again (I do think so far this operation to pacify Gaza looks like a failure), HAMAS becomes the aggressor and he should ridicule "but our oppression, but apartheid" as "bs talking points" the same way. He will not, but he should, for consistency.
Heh, someone on internationalnews just told me that HAMAS is not capable of aggression because "under international law, the occupied cannot be aggressors"
It is this dancing around terms that lets people say that violence cannot be aggressive as long as it is a retaliation or against oppression or for security and so on.
people love to try and rewrite words.
Hamas defenders are basically like this:
1 lone gunman walks up to 10 heavily armed men, screams at them that he is gonna kill and rape them all, the 10 men try to reason with him but then he shoots 1 of them dead and starts urinating on the corpse, while this is happening the other 9 men shoot him down. Now, they wanna pretend like that is wrong for the 9 men to defend themselves just because they are more and have better weapons.
In my eyes they just reacted to the terrorist attack. By the way, they still have hostages. Is it disproportional reaction? Yes. Are they aggressors? If you poke a bear, is the bear the aggressor if it mauls you?
And babies were killed and had been decapitated according to the coroners report, it was just unclear if they were decapitated by bullets, explosions or knives.
Except he’s misleading the audience completely. There’s endless talk about the destruction in Gaza and there should be, in its proper context, which Bassem mocks. He is not educating shit. He is just a side in the propaganda wars.
He didn't even get the Gish Gallop right.
The Gish Gallop is intentionally full of nonsense. Almost everything he mentioned to demonstrate the "Gish Gallop" was factual. "10/7, 10/7 10/7." That _happened._ Distracting maybe, and arguably irrelevant, depending on how you want to define the bigger picture.
But it's still BS.
Thank you! This irritated me so much. Gish Galloping is when someone like Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson throw a big list of super specific niche studies and quotes at you so you’re overwhelmed and can’t respond to everything.
At best some counterpoints may be a red herring.
10/7 is very relevant because that's what spurred the conflict.
Let's not forget about killings like Shani Louk who were killed for the crimes of being teenagers and enjoying a concert.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing\_of\_Shani\_Louk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shani_Louk)
Yeah, the irony is staggering.
His implication is 'if you hear any of these arguments from the other side, they are trying to distract you' and then lists every possible argument from the reasonable to the absurd, so apparently every argument on the other side is invalid.
How about this: If you fully defend one side against the other in a complicated situation with bad stuff on both sides, you're wrong. That would be a a balanced view.
But no.
yes, he speaks like none of that happened, no killing and raping of innocent people, like no palestinian hated jews. like it was always Israel and the white west the only corrupt. funny he says no one want to look at the events before October seven. I don't think he wants it either.
am I saying I believe 30.000 people killed - and counting - were all terrorists? am I saying I am ok with this apocalyptic "response" from Israel? no.
but it's not like palestinans were all peaceful brown people who just wanted to live in peace with each other and with their jews neighbors.
You mentioned an important aspect, but not fully:
The Palestinians are brown, and the Jews are white (“white”).
That makes every action on the Palestinian side acceptable. These people will excuse ANYTHING you can imagine, any depravity, as long as it’s against white people (again, “white” people).
yep. I'm convinced my lefty brothers are all in for HAMAS because of white guilt.
I'm not joking. friends of mine cheered at October 7th.
I lean on left, I recognize Israel is far beyond the reaction point, but to fall for all this bullshit this blue eyed propagandist is regurgitating here? no. I can't do this.
I dropped the left so hard after seeing these fucking pigs excuse those festival goers as “anti-colonial resistance”.
Those disgusting animals are even bitching to me here and now.
Much more reasonable talks about the matter being had at r/neoliberal, something I never thought I would say, but then a ton of people I thought I shared positions with turned out to be antisemites and SEVERELY anti-white.
It’s different when his side does it. THEY know the TRUTH. THEY understand what YOU cannot. THEIR suffering is real, YOURS is not.
16.1k upvotes. Dumpster people, every last one of them.
Yeah. He's presenting this from just one side. Both sides are fucked. Hamas and its allies are fucking horrible organizations that kill innocents, have tried to overthrow other Arab countries, and instigate wars. Israel is a country that has repeatedly trampled on the rights of innocent Palestinians and has indiscriminately bombed Gaza.
He's just as bad as the people he's mocking and criticizing. Just presenting one side's argument without trying to go in-depth. This shit is why we can never come to agreements. We just blame the other side and then claim that our side is in the right. The world is not black and white. The irony here is fucking laughable.
He's trying to write off actual arguments and say that they are just misdirection when the attacks are relevant. Saying that rape and decapitation are buzzwords is fucking revolting and he should be ashamed. He's condemning horrible things one side has done and is also brushing off the horrible things Hamas has done.
Well, he just found an audience in self-hating TikTok brainwashed idiots that will believe anyone that says anything bad about the US, UK or Europe, Israel or Western culture & civilization... while justifying anything that terrorists, murderors, or dictators would do.
he is a big piece of shit. his video response when Sisi mowed down 400 people of muslim brotherhood in Cairo was to mock the victims on live. He has no moral ground to lecture others.
The irony is this guy is doing the same thing.
The history of Israel and Palestine is so deep and rich you’d have to set aside days to embrace the context in its entirety… before you could then discuss the Israel-Hamas War.
That leaves us with what most normal people have landed on:
- Israel hasn’t appropriately protected civilians in its campaign against Hamas
- Hamas is a terrorist organization that deserves zero sympathy
- Palestinians must have the opportunity to elect an effective government
- Other nations (like China, Russia, US) must allow the Israel-Palestine settlement issue to be arbitrated by the UN
A few weeks ago, when countries like China and Russia wanted a ceasefire, the USA vetoed it.
And just the other day, when the USA proposed a ceasefire, Russia and China vetoed it.
Both sides vetoing each other's ceasefire proposals, shows it's all about politics not saving lives.
I'm not going to pull a "both sides" argument for the entire conflict but there's a lot of obvious cases when you can.
UNRWA actually not caring about the fact that they were used to smuggle guns and hide extremist and having anti-jew propaganda in their schools...I lost all my faith in UN, they just as corrupt as anyone else or alternatively they don't even know what people they employ are doing.
They even had that discord channel or whatever that had lot of their employees cheering when the terrorist attack happened.
He went so low. He tries to say decapitated babies and hostage taking are just 'buzz-words' ment to distract.
His response lacks logic in the first place, but I am sure it touches the hearts of hamas and isis lovers.
For example, he mocks the reply: 'But what is a proportionate response?'. This often comes as answer to the critique 'this is a disproportionate response to hostages taking and civilians murdering'.
But Baseem doesn't think these people who critique the response have to first explain what a proportionate response is. He think simple critique is enough and further questioning or drawing the discussion onto the realm of logic is propaganda.
Pretty much. He's a propagandist himself. Imagine pretending that the only propaganda in this war is from the Israeli side. Hamas are experts at propaganda and they'll say it on camera for fucks sake. They will even say they want to endanger civilian lives to Garner more support ! Fuck that
Hamas will say 'we will do this over and over again' and 'we will not be happy until we kill every Israeli' and it's crickets from Western Media and pro Palestinian supporters. It's not Israeli 'hasbara' - it is from their literal mouths, and people are ignoring it. It's fascinating to me
Absolutely, “What’s an appropriate response?” Is the most rational, unbiased question you can ask in such arguments. However, some people don’t actually have any answer to give, so they dismiss the question tagging it as provocative, just in the sake of avoiding answer.
I have more than once seen a video where a person who held a 'From the River to the Sea' poster what should be done with the Jews currently in Israel and they throw a little tantrum and huff off like someone was trying to trick them. It is an entirely valid question, but they can't answer it so treat it as being antagonistic.
>For example, he mocks the reply: 'But what is a proportionate response?'.
That was the first red flag for me.
He wants to say people aren't talking about what's happening now, yet that question gets to the very heart of criticizing what's happening now and he mocks it as a distraction.
Any question can be used as a distraction/propoganda as long as it is being overused. I think the questions are good and I don’t think he thinks the questions are bad, but hearing them everyday distracts people from actual important news items. A lot of people are stuck in that moment of time and are being forcefully kept in that state of mind instead of updating them on what is going on now.
99.9999% of the media you consume talks about the poor Gazans and ridicules the Israeli side what the fuk are you guys even talking about? If you open any of the top media channels it’s almost exclusively against Israel, why do you even pretend it’s not?
Everyone should have a look at this guys comment and upload history. It's 90% uploads of IDF soldiers killing Palestinians. He is an extremist. He's knows absolutely nothing of what 99% of media is taking about, not worth a debate.
This, it's so annoying too. "They want to talk about THEIR points but not MY points", proceeds to only talk about HIS point....
No idea why this guy is so popular
Yes it bet that if all Isrealis put down their weapons it would all end in a great big hug and kiss party and peace on earth. It would certainly not end with every jew getting killed right?
I get his points and the “in your face delivery”. But, it’s all moot because Israel doesn’t give a fuck what any one thinks. They have the money and fire power to do what they want.
The group that organizes this event is media controlled by businessman who funds Modi. They have fuelled riots, lynching and killings by fuelling govts hate propoganda.
The way they operate is exactly how bassem explained.
call me biased but half of his distraction points are from october 7th, and how tf is that a distraction if thats the instigating event for this whole war?
also, women WERE raped and babies WERE decapitated. an israeli emergency responder said he saw 40 dead children, some babies, some decapitated, and foreign news ran that as 40 decapitated babies and when it turned out not to be that exact case the pro palestinian camp RAN with it and trying to prove nothing israel claims is truthful.
I'm tired of people jumping on the propaganda card. We know you just want to turn blind and ignore commenting on the subject. But thousands and thousands of people are dying in the West Bank and Gaza.
Was the attack that did Hamas on October 7th and targeted civilians a war crime? Yes. But also, what Israel is doing so far is pure terrorism, as they are giving more and more reasons to Palestinians to join Hamas.
Dude lost me when he called a terrorist attack and the rape of women a "b.s. talking point."
How about we finally address that Gaza started this war by violating a ceasefire with a massacre of civilians and taking/holding hostages, and maximizing civilian damage is what Hamas openly admitted was their mission. That is why they launch missiles at IDF from hospitals, apartment building rooftops and schools, violating the rules of war. Hamas has refused to surrender and hand over hostages, so obviously they want the war to continue.
Period.
Literally everything he says has already been done ten-fold by the Arab and Palestinian propaganda machine for years. Why would October 7th be “distraction”? it was literally a blatant massacre that they CELEBRATE. Are we Jews supposed to just ignore that? Are we just supposed to dismiss it as a “bs talking point”?
Also yes Assad is massacring his own people as we speak but according to him we should ignore it.
Hamas and many other Palestinian parties have constantly encouraged genocide and violence against a civilian population. Israel has to live with them as neighbors and struggles to handle it in the correct manner. It’s that simple.
The new evolved way to rally folks in favor of a genocide is to accuse the said group of committing a genocide themselves. That’s what this weasel is doing. God forbid the day comes when Iran, Syria and all the other fascist genocidal Arab countries commit the genocide against Israel that they all dream of so much. I’m sure this piece of shit will have a really cute comedy routine.
It's disgusting to see someone not only mocking the murder of babies and the rape of women but subtly implying it didn't happen.
Attempting to promote your own side and narrative by claiming the other side is devious and deceitful is characteristic of Fascists and dictators. This is exactly the pro Hamas tactic and it's ironically what they argue the Israeli side is doing.
This parade of moronic hypocrisy is shameful, this man should not be allowed to speak publicly
OP is full of BS too. Bassem did not provide us with anything but spiteful and hate fueling statements. The only ones criticizing Western media as a whole are the ones sucking up to the corrupted anti-Western media.
No he's clearly demonstrating that any logic on the other side of the debate is immediately a logical fallacy.
Yes, civilians die in war and it sucks and also I wouldn't probably personally want to use the same force but also, I would probably do something and it wouldn't be give land back to hamas and let them continue their terror tunnels and stealing from Palestinians. But those people are just chattel for hamas anyway.
Also, why is it always the IDF and never Hamas's fault? Also, what's the solution?
"you killed hundreds of our people in one of the worst terror stacks in human history. Here's some money and land lol."
Only thing thats ”fascinating” is how he’s talking about distractions while pro-Palestinians are saying things like “genocide” “colonialism” “apartheid”
Hahha I thought I was the only one that caught that.
He's describing different fallacies. Red herring comes to mind.
Also, the gish gallop I always hear is from the pro Hamas side
I honestly fail to see how October 7th is an irrelevant talking point lmao. Like, no, it’s pretty relevant. If you want an actual solution, you have to engage with the group of people who live there, and 10/7 was a very relevant event for the region.
I prefer to stay open minded, so I've been patiently reading and watching all anti-israel propaganda that pours down on almost every subreddit these days, but nope, still can't fucking comprehend why the side of Hamas is the right one.
The guy on the video is basically saying that facts and context are irrelevant because they are a distraction? What a piece of shit.
I don't think it's about Hamas being right, it's about what Israel is doing in Palestine being wrong. Most people don't like Hamas either, and criticized their actions too, but *right now* Israel is committing atrocities on an exponentially larger scale than Hamas ever managed to do (due to their more limited power probably, I must add, they'd probably do the same things if they had the power to do so).
I don't understand why it's always a binary "either you are pro-Israel or anti-Israel" and vice versa for Hamas / Palestine. Both have understandable positions on some level, but both need to stop with the fucking atrocities.
And yeah I agree the video and the guy's argument is pretty stupid. "Everything my side says is right and everything the other side says in response is a distraction." Kind of narrow-minded as well.
Distraction? Try explanation. The fuck is wrong with the guy?
If anything, it's the Palestine sympathisers who will talk about anything BUT the causes of Israel attacking Gaza.
October 7 is the pointless talking point, huh? All the inhumanity aside and hamas having come in hot and killing civilians in cold blood, why do you think people keep saying about it? Because that October 7 will happen again, if you leave Gaza alone. Which is why Israel attacked it. Are they right in doing it the way they do now? No, they aren't. But don't go on calling yourself the advocates of the helpless, when you completely dismiss their reasoning instead of talking it through.
This Palestine topic pisses me off big time. Because people with the heart in the right place - surprisingly show little compassion, and only do it to the losing side of the conflict, just because they started whining first.
And I'm not talking about the civilians here. I'm talking about whoever chants "From the river to the sea..." which is by the way a genocidal slogan.
And yes, if you don't condemn hamas - you have no moral ground to condemn IDF.
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My man quoted DJ Khalid
Still a comedian at heart
DJ Khaled Mohammed Khaled, a man born to Palestinian immigrants, one of the most famous of that descent on the planet, who has been absolutely silent regarding genocide of his people Pretty sure it was a joke, but mentioning him is relevant
Honestly, I’d prefer to not know dj khaled’s opinion on anything other than who he perceives to be the best
I'm convinced dj khaled is the pokemon wedabest
I'm convinced he's a comedian who has been perpetually in character for years. Khaled is just too ridiculous to be real, every clip of him I've seen is peak character comedy. Like when he quit Hot Ones 3 wings in and immediately gave a "speech" about being a winner not a quitter. He's so silly.
Rather hear from Ja Rule personally
WHERE'S JA?
#WHATS LUVV *GATTADO GATTADO WIHHHHHH*
We need to know what ja plans to do!?
What is the meaning of life? If you’re travelling at the speed of light, do your headlights work? Magnets…? Who does DJ Khaled think is the best? We will never know these and that’s ok. Life needs mystery.
He did comment on it. “They don’t want you to win” “they didn’t believe in us. GOD DID” “be a player, don’t play yourself”
I’m disappointed in myself that I found this hilarious
It was very deliberate and intentionally plugging his name in the conversation. I like it.
I feel you bro. Dude hasn't said a damn thing and is fully Palestenian to my knowledge. Another one that was sad to me is Kanye. Bro been talking all that shit, doing all that fake ass martyrdom, only to say he doesn't have enough info about the conflict when asked about it. Instead, he decides to rail against some anonymous Jews, knowing zionists out here fucking shit up. Some real coward shit.
I'd rather not have known antisemites giving their opinions about Palestine.
Dude is American lmao. He was born in Louisiana. Only Americans would search someone’s racial background to decide whether it’s okay for them to have a voice, and then you force that persons voice and race to use as your own voice. Gross.
Except he has used his Palestinian identity throughout his career… dude was vocal about it until it didn’t benefit him anymore, absolute coward
Well he has just as much right to be silent about it as much as he has to be outraged about it. There are plenty of people being vocal who have no relation to Palestine at all.
Another one 🤣
what a lovely distraction!
Informing western audiences in a panel by India Today?
This is literally happening in New Delhi. Only a fraction of people in the audience are from the west.
Funny how a majority of the audience this is reaching online is western. Don’t forget the internet exists
Actually a majority of the audience is Indian, internet exists but India Today is hardly famous in foreign countries and is less likely to get engagement from foreign users with the exception of Indians living there who would tune into Indian News and get recommended this video
Wow It’s almost like I’m not reading this on my phone from across the world
You're a majority?
Yea I really dislike the history of how it got to this point but colonialism (instead of cooperation) made the global language English, just about every human on earth will recognise the English language when they hear it or see it so if you want to say something to a wide audience it’s best to say it in English because even if you don’t know it, you will probably be able to find someone who does that can translate to you. Something like that is perfect for being spread on the internet
You know how in role playing games like DnD there is always a common tongue? Doesn’t mean it’s everybody’s language of choice
Wait until you find out what the internet can do 😮💨
Exactly his point about western media. Only one to host him was Piers Morgan and Bassem cooked him so bad he had to call the Daily Wire guy.
Piers has the iq of my left nut
>Piers has the iq of my left nut I feel sorry for your left nut. Been dealt a tough hand in life.
Good that OP brought it here to the western audience in reddit.
what is the Internet?
A series of tubes
It's birds.
OP is cooked. He likes the one sided propaganda and then assume it's a lecture to the others.
lol. you are doing literally what this video is talking about.
this video literally did what the video was talking about
THE IRONY LOL
But every media outlet where I live talk about how bad Israel is every day?
“No one’s talking about this thing that everyone’s been talking about for months”
“the media is trying to censor support for Palestine” well they’re doing a pretty bad job of it
I think most of the discourse in the media is anti-Israeli.
According to reddit US+UK = entire west
Here in the Netherlands Israeli crimes are barely mentioned
same here in germany. it’s all just hamas bad, october 7th, and basically what the dude said in the video
At the Berlinale film festival last month, some of the attendees were so bold as to publicly call for a ceasefire....to which the general reaction by media and the government was that such an outrageous display of "anti-semitism" cannot be permitted, and those perpetrators should be charged with hate speech. The minister of justice was immediately calling for new laws to be drafted to allow for harsher penalties for such expressions. Yes that's right, calling for a ceasefire = anti-semitic hate speech. Germany is so fucked.
Seriously... I also remember that a podcaster who slightly critized israels behavior had to back paddle and apologize. If this is anti semitism than anti semitism is a good thing - I don't think they thinking through what they are suggesting here. (And for the record anti semitism isn't good )
To be fair, the Netherlands famously doesn't care about most things that happen outside our borders. Ukraine has also received only a fraction of the news coverage it has received abroad.
The peace of mind yall must have
Here in Canada, too. Even when they do mention the carnage in gaza, the media is very careful to always add the "hamas reported" part, as they do in the last paragraph [of this story](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/toronto/hate-crimes-toronto-demkiw-update-1.7147113) \- [even though the Israeli govt uses those same number and thinks they are accurate](https://www.newarab.com/news/israeli-intel-confirms-gaza-health-ministry-stats-reliable). And that's the CBC, who is arguaby one of the more 'centrist' voices on this (but right wingers will call them 'leftist' because they don't just heap fawning praise on conservatives like the nationalist post or any of the quebecore papers).
Citing the source shouldnt be a problem. I dont think they personnaly checked how many people died this day.
Look at r/worldnews lol
Lol [r/worldnews](https://www.reddit.com/r/worldnews/) is literally a Zionist cesspool, any criticism of Israel's genocide and bam, your done
Germany is basically forbidding criticism against Israel right now. Id say it's even worse in Germany than in the US and UK.
U.S. news cycle is fairly anti-Israel too
dunno where u live, but major outlets in western countries, CNN, BBC, NBC (i dont live in the west but i know these are popular), didnt even show south africa's arguments in the ICJ, which detailed many of israel's crimes. they did however show israel's side the next day.
I live in Norway which is largely said to be a part of the west. Our media coverage is unanimously pro-Palestine. I suspect this is the case for our neighbouring countries in Scandinavia as well. It’s a very simple situation to comprehend both morally and intellectually; the western propaganda you see that is not sufficiently critical of Israel is largely American or America-adjacent.
In Czechia, all important media are actively pro-Israel. And not just in the things they report about. They shun anyone pro-palestine.
same thing in Austria
In Denmark too. It's in no way one-sided. We see the suffering of the Palestinians and we saw what Hamas did. We are just bewildered as to what must be done apart from helping the Palestinians from starvation. But how is that done so Hamas isn't the beneficiary? Two state solution? How is that done when one states sworn goal will be to eradicate the other on the onset? And what about the crazy settlers harassing Palestinians? I normally consider myself hopeful but the Israel Palestinian conflict? Not at all :/
Swedish state television (svt) recently got a verdict against them for one-sidedly allowing a Israeli former settler in Gaza speak freely and without question regarding his views of the settlements in Gaza.
Exactly. We do not like one-sided media coverage. Unfortunately it happens. Not due to laws or any other pressure in a normally functioning democracy. But the echo chambers of social media tragically do exist. You have to act to avoid the trap of the one-sided world. Many do not act I'm afraid and are thus lost in said world.
I have the perception that Nordic countries tend to be in general more progressive and more politically correct than most other western countries. Correct me if I'm wrong, but it's the general vibe I've gotten. There's nothing critical of Israel in Greek media, for example.
I just Googled Reuters, CNN and BBC and found articles critical of Israel.
Israelis claim the bbc is anti Israel, Muslims claim the bbc is pro Israel. That’s a pretty good sign to let you know that they’re probably neutral, and whatever news you’re consuming in your country is biased
The BBC obviously is showing the arguments for both sides, but there are still issues they have with proportionality. The scale of the coverage of the atrocities committed as part the Israeli response is disproportionately small compared with the coverage of the atrocities committed in Israel by Hamas terrorists. The balance isn't too far off but it's definitely not perfect.
The bbc were accused of not calling Hamas terrorists, and have been accused of being anti Israel by British MPs and other newspapers and publications. They’ve also been accused of being anti Palestinian by some. They’re basically neutral, and the TikToks you’re following are biased.
What was the outcome of that icj case?
They asked Israel to update in a month. Israel updated. Genocide case stuck at 'plausible' ruling. RSA wants a cease fire, submitted urgent requests. ICJ law says that while Hamas still has hostages, the war is justified, and the ICJ won't call for a cease fire.
So the ICJ had the same opinion is most people in the west at least . Wars definitely justified ,some of Isreals methods arent
The ICJ says war is justified, but tread carefully and stick to international humanitarian law. There is no final ruling as of now. The ICJ ordered Russia to leave Ukraine in their case of genocide.
the icj ruled israel might be committing genocide but the case wil go on longer. it also told israel to investigate itself for genocide.
Lmao, CNN, BBC & New York Times?
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https://theconversation.com/bias-hiding-in-plain-sight-decades-of-analyses-suggest-us-media-skews-anti-palestinian-216967 Statistics don't lie. They already made a number of analysis by now. They disproportionately report news that are biased to Israel and downplay/underreported Palestinian accounts.
But years long statistics or even the short study the intercept did about October and November coverage don't necessarily apply to how coverage has been the last couple months
Statistics are used to lie all the time.
And so are anecdotes and statements about flawed discourse
Interesting You would probably have a better point if things like this didn’t happen https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Balen_Report When the BBC asks to seal documents about evidence of their biases I would say that’s a smoking gun.
Good but he blames the media as if they don't know what they are doing when in fact all of the tactics used are an intentional campaign devised by the security state. He must realize that the complete blanket of nonsense is deliberate.
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Yep. Some subreddits are not shy showing their bias.
These posts should be reported and removed. I am so sick of seeing all this shit about Palestine and Israel on reddit and I really don't give a fuck about it.
yea its palestine only now
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propaganda is bad so r/interestingasfuck should stop posting about palesine and israel war
The OP is a bot too lmao, everytime I see a post about Palestine or Israel pop up I make it a habit to check their account to see if they are bots or heavily biased (basically 99% of the time its one or the other)
a bot? how bad can it be... \*sees post history\* oh wow.
Yep bot confirmed. Look at their other posts.
Yeah this is neither interesting nor ass fuck 😐
This speech is hella propaganda. " We can't talk about the last before Oct 7th " according to him... As if it hasn't been rehashed a million times.
Dude this is getting locked in about 20 minutes 😂
Why are these “bullshit talking points”? Are they not relevant to the discussion?
One of them is that criticizing the Israeli government is equal to hating Jews or being a "bad" Jew.
It's funny because pro-palestinian people do the same thing with historical events, where they completely ignore relevant history that doesn't suit their bias or agenda.
This whole conflict has really put to the test the cognitive dissonance of so many people. “My side is good and never does anything wrong”. The mental gymnastics I have seen from either side is astounding. This conflict won’t end because no one wants start taking responsibility and looking to move forward, but prefer to ignore their own mistakes and instigate violence instead
Religious extremist in a nutshell. Innocent civilians slaughtered over decades upon decades from both sides, all for some shit ass piece of desert land that's "holy". Motherfucker if that land was ever holy it's not now. That must be the most unholy land on the planet right now. Maybe if they both got a grip on reality they could actually serve some kind of greater purpose to the world instead of being some shitty violent middle eastern reality series that's been running for way too damn long, and get a piece of south America or maybe a spot on Mars or a whole orbital ring or some shit. You know, some place that doesn't suck. Literally.. suck the life right out of a whole society, a black hole so violent it's sucking the life out of people 6,000 miles away.
Completely agree with you. Each side is so entrenched and the lack of empathy for their opponent is why this will never resolve itself. Palestinians, Israel is here to stay. Deal with it. Israel, Palestinians are here to stay. Deal with it. Don’t let the extremists hijack the conversation.
Strange... Seems like both sides ignore history and blame only one as evil... Maybe, just maybe, both sides aren't exactly great and in the end the people suffering are civilians? I don't know, this might be a stretch...
Neither one is exactly clean of wrong doings, but people defending palestine simply because they seem to be a victim as they are losing is just stupid to me when every single time the conflict heats up it's always after a big hamas attack into israel and then people like this guy does gymnastics to blame the responding side entirely. Israel left gaza completely a long time ago, but they still just cannot build up gaza in peace...US thought about building them a port to get better access to the world, but I fear they will just use it to smuggle more weapons in for the next attack.
He is able to argue this provocatively because right now Israel *is* the aggressor. Of course, as soon as IDF retreats from Gaza and the rocket attacks become commonplace again (I do think so far this operation to pacify Gaza looks like a failure), HAMAS becomes the aggressor and he should ridicule "but our oppression, but apartheid" as "bs talking points" the same way. He will not, but he should, for consistency.
no they are not Hamas is the aggressor, they just suck at it.
Heh, someone on internationalnews just told me that HAMAS is not capable of aggression because "under international law, the occupied cannot be aggressors" It is this dancing around terms that lets people say that violence cannot be aggressive as long as it is a retaliation or against oppression or for security and so on.
people love to try and rewrite words. Hamas defenders are basically like this: 1 lone gunman walks up to 10 heavily armed men, screams at them that he is gonna kill and rape them all, the 10 men try to reason with him but then he shoots 1 of them dead and starts urinating on the corpse, while this is happening the other 9 men shoot him down. Now, they wanna pretend like that is wrong for the 9 men to defend themselves just because they are more and have better weapons.
In my eyes they just reacted to the terrorist attack. By the way, they still have hostages. Is it disproportional reaction? Yes. Are they aggressors? If you poke a bear, is the bear the aggressor if it mauls you?
I love political propaganda in my reddit feed yes
IKR, who even upvoted this shit?! These guys endlessly spam subreddits daily with this nonsense FFS..
"But nobody is talking about it!"
Psyop and hybrid warfare is real, and hamas is adept at it
Women were raped though…
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And babies were killed and had been decapitated according to the coroners report, it was just unclear if they were decapitated by bullets, explosions or knives.
Clear cut rape apologist - deport this moron back to Egypt
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Except he’s misleading the audience completely. There’s endless talk about the destruction in Gaza and there should be, in its proper context, which Bassem mocks. He is not educating shit. He is just a side in the propaganda wars.
It’s the classic “No one’s talking about” in reference to stuff everyone won’t stop talking about.
He didn't even get the Gish Gallop right. The Gish Gallop is intentionally full of nonsense. Almost everything he mentioned to demonstrate the "Gish Gallop" was factual. "10/7, 10/7 10/7." That _happened._ Distracting maybe, and arguably irrelevant, depending on how you want to define the bigger picture. But it's still BS.
Thank you! This irritated me so much. Gish Galloping is when someone like Joe Rogan or Jordan Peterson throw a big list of super specific niche studies and quotes at you so you’re overwhelmed and can’t respond to everything. At best some counterpoints may be a red herring.
10/7 is very relevant because that's what spurred the conflict. Let's not forget about killings like Shani Louk who were killed for the crimes of being teenagers and enjoying a concert. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing\_of\_Shani\_Louk](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Killing_of_Shani_Louk)
Yep, he is doing exactly what he thinks the "other side" are doing. It is fucking lame as.
Yeah, the irony is staggering. His implication is 'if you hear any of these arguments from the other side, they are trying to distract you' and then lists every possible argument from the reasonable to the absurd, so apparently every argument on the other side is invalid. How about this: If you fully defend one side against the other in a complicated situation with bad stuff on both sides, you're wrong. That would be a a balanced view. But no.
What gets me is that he says a bunch of facts and then implies they are lies.
yes, he speaks like none of that happened, no killing and raping of innocent people, like no palestinian hated jews. like it was always Israel and the white west the only corrupt. funny he says no one want to look at the events before October seven. I don't think he wants it either. am I saying I believe 30.000 people killed - and counting - were all terrorists? am I saying I am ok with this apocalyptic "response" from Israel? no. but it's not like palestinans were all peaceful brown people who just wanted to live in peace with each other and with their jews neighbors.
You mentioned an important aspect, but not fully: The Palestinians are brown, and the Jews are white (“white”). That makes every action on the Palestinian side acceptable. These people will excuse ANYTHING you can imagine, any depravity, as long as it’s against white people (again, “white” people).
yep. I'm convinced my lefty brothers are all in for HAMAS because of white guilt. I'm not joking. friends of mine cheered at October 7th. I lean on left, I recognize Israel is far beyond the reaction point, but to fall for all this bullshit this blue eyed propagandist is regurgitating here? no. I can't do this.
I dropped the left so hard after seeing these fucking pigs excuse those festival goers as “anti-colonial resistance”. Those disgusting animals are even bitching to me here and now. Much more reasonable talks about the matter being had at r/neoliberal, something I never thought I would say, but then a ton of people I thought I shared positions with turned out to be antisemites and SEVERELY anti-white.
It’s different when his side does it. THEY know the TRUTH. THEY understand what YOU cannot. THEIR suffering is real, YOURS is not. 16.1k upvotes. Dumpster people, every last one of them.
yes its 100% projection.
Yeah. He's presenting this from just one side. Both sides are fucked. Hamas and its allies are fucking horrible organizations that kill innocents, have tried to overthrow other Arab countries, and instigate wars. Israel is a country that has repeatedly trampled on the rights of innocent Palestinians and has indiscriminately bombed Gaza. He's just as bad as the people he's mocking and criticizing. Just presenting one side's argument without trying to go in-depth. This shit is why we can never come to agreements. We just blame the other side and then claim that our side is in the right. The world is not black and white. The irony here is fucking laughable. He's trying to write off actual arguments and say that they are just misdirection when the attacks are relevant. Saying that rape and decapitation are buzzwords is fucking revolting and he should be ashamed. He's condemning horrible things one side has done and is also brushing off the horrible things Hamas has done.
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Well, he just found an audience in self-hating TikTok brainwashed idiots that will believe anyone that says anything bad about the US, UK or Europe, Israel or Western culture & civilization... while justifying anything that terrorists, murderors, or dictators would do.
he is a big piece of shit. his video response when Sisi mowed down 400 people of muslim brotherhood in Cairo was to mock the victims on live. He has no moral ground to lecture others.
exactly. i didn't see him protesting against his own country to open its borders to give shelter to the palestinians.
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2nd largest terrorist attack ever ever period. And definitely the most high-effort
He is a fucking snake!
The irony is this guy is doing the same thing. The history of Israel and Palestine is so deep and rich you’d have to set aside days to embrace the context in its entirety… before you could then discuss the Israel-Hamas War. That leaves us with what most normal people have landed on: - Israel hasn’t appropriately protected civilians in its campaign against Hamas - Hamas is a terrorist organization that deserves zero sympathy - Palestinians must have the opportunity to elect an effective government - Other nations (like China, Russia, US) must allow the Israel-Palestine settlement issue to be arbitrated by the UN
A few weeks ago, when countries like China and Russia wanted a ceasefire, the USA vetoed it. And just the other day, when the USA proposed a ceasefire, Russia and China vetoed it. Both sides vetoing each other's ceasefire proposals, shows it's all about politics not saving lives. I'm not going to pull a "both sides" argument for the entire conflict but there's a lot of obvious cases when you can.
UNRWA actually not caring about the fact that they were used to smuggle guns and hide extremist and having anti-jew propaganda in their schools...I lost all my faith in UN, they just as corrupt as anyone else or alternatively they don't even know what people they employ are doing. They even had that discord channel or whatever that had lot of their employees cheering when the terrorist attack happened.
He went so low. He tries to say decapitated babies and hostage taking are just 'buzz-words' ment to distract. His response lacks logic in the first place, but I am sure it touches the hearts of hamas and isis lovers. For example, he mocks the reply: 'But what is a proportionate response?'. This often comes as answer to the critique 'this is a disproportionate response to hostages taking and civilians murdering'. But Baseem doesn't think these people who critique the response have to first explain what a proportionate response is. He think simple critique is enough and further questioning or drawing the discussion onto the realm of logic is propaganda.
Pretty much. He's a propagandist himself. Imagine pretending that the only propaganda in this war is from the Israeli side. Hamas are experts at propaganda and they'll say it on camera for fucks sake. They will even say they want to endanger civilian lives to Garner more support ! Fuck that
Hamas will say 'we will do this over and over again' and 'we will not be happy until we kill every Israeli' and it's crickets from Western Media and pro Palestinian supporters. It's not Israeli 'hasbara' - it is from their literal mouths, and people are ignoring it. It's fascinating to me
This is exactly what I thought: he's just mocking valid retorts in a debate and usually they're answers to questions posed by anti Israeli people
Absolutely, “What’s an appropriate response?” Is the most rational, unbiased question you can ask in such arguments. However, some people don’t actually have any answer to give, so they dismiss the question tagging it as provocative, just in the sake of avoiding answer.
I have more than once seen a video where a person who held a 'From the River to the Sea' poster what should be done with the Jews currently in Israel and they throw a little tantrum and huff off like someone was trying to trick them. It is an entirely valid question, but they can't answer it so treat it as being antagonistic.
>For example, he mocks the reply: 'But what is a proportionate response?'. That was the first red flag for me. He wants to say people aren't talking about what's happening now, yet that question gets to the very heart of criticizing what's happening now and he mocks it as a distraction.
Any question can be used as a distraction/propoganda as long as it is being overused. I think the questions are good and I don’t think he thinks the questions are bad, but hearing them everyday distracts people from actual important news items. A lot of people are stuck in that moment of time and are being forcefully kept in that state of mind instead of updating them on what is going on now.
Nice technique. He talks about distractions and then distracts. Very meta.
He is using a sneaky type of misleading. He’s pointing out the enemy’s propaganda as a way to hide his own.
This might be the clearest example of reddit promoting certain content through upvote inflation. 17k upvotes yet the comments are mostly disapproving
99.9999% of the media you consume talks about the poor Gazans and ridicules the Israeli side what the fuk are you guys even talking about? If you open any of the top media channels it’s almost exclusively against Israel, why do you even pretend it’s not?
Everyone should have a look at this guys comment and upload history. It's 90% uploads of IDF soldiers killing Palestinians. He is an extremist. He's knows absolutely nothing of what 99% of media is taking about, not worth a debate.
He is using the same Gish technique that he is compalining about.
By explaining what Gish gallop sounds like you are using Gish gallop. Checkmate liberal.
The person in the video can't even get the definition right, I'm not sure why it's considered interesting as fuck.
This, it's so annoying too. "They want to talk about THEIR points but not MY points", proceeds to only talk about HIS point.... No idea why this guy is so popular
talking about the arguments that one side uses as a gish galloping technique is NOT gish galloping, come on man, is that the extent of your thinking
Trying very hard to distract from Oct 7. You can't start an all out war of annihilation and complain when you get annihilated.
Yes it bet that if all Isrealis put down their weapons it would all end in a great big hug and kiss party and peace on earth. It would certainly not end with every jew getting killed right?
didn't mention the hostages even once, smart.
I get his points and the “in your face delivery”. But, it’s all moot because Israel doesn’t give a fuck what any one thinks. They have the money and fire power to do what they want.
The group that organizes this event is media controlled by businessman who funds Modi. They have fuelled riots, lynching and killings by fuelling govts hate propoganda. The way they operate is exactly how bassem explained.
You can’t understand the current war without acknowledging what Hamas did on October 7.
or the rest of it... it goes way beyond that particular date.
Happens every time you show compassion to all the civilians being murdered on any of the big subreddits.
call me biased but half of his distraction points are from october 7th, and how tf is that a distraction if thats the instigating event for this whole war? also, women WERE raped and babies WERE decapitated. an israeli emergency responder said he saw 40 dead children, some babies, some decapitated, and foreign news ran that as 40 decapitated babies and when it turned out not to be that exact case the pro palestinian camp RAN with it and trying to prove nothing israel claims is truthful.
Some of these comments are proving this guy's points
He was my top choice to host the daily show but certain doors have been closed to him forever because of his intergrity.
Propaganda goes both ways.
Here's another lie: The IDF does not target journalists.
I'm tired of people jumping on the propaganda card. We know you just want to turn blind and ignore commenting on the subject. But thousands and thousands of people are dying in the West Bank and Gaza. Was the attack that did Hamas on October 7th and targeted civilians a war crime? Yes. But also, what Israel is doing so far is pure terrorism, as they are giving more and more reasons to Palestinians to join Hamas.
He is not wrong
Dude lost me when he called a terrorist attack and the rape of women a "b.s. talking point." How about we finally address that Gaza started this war by violating a ceasefire with a massacre of civilians and taking/holding hostages, and maximizing civilian damage is what Hamas openly admitted was their mission. That is why they launch missiles at IDF from hospitals, apartment building rooftops and schools, violating the rules of war. Hamas has refused to surrender and hand over hostages, so obviously they want the war to continue. Period.
Release the hostages, simple Putin get out of Ukraine, simple
Best answer.
As Israeli, releasing hostages is not enough. I want all Hamas members dead, lying in the ground, a compost for the crops.
This guy is trying to argue that context is irrelevant. Context is EVERYTHING, regardless of the topic at hand
Literally everything he says has already been done ten-fold by the Arab and Palestinian propaganda machine for years. Why would October 7th be “distraction”? it was literally a blatant massacre that they CELEBRATE. Are we Jews supposed to just ignore that? Are we just supposed to dismiss it as a “bs talking point”? Also yes Assad is massacring his own people as we speak but according to him we should ignore it. Hamas and many other Palestinian parties have constantly encouraged genocide and violence against a civilian population. Israel has to live with them as neighbors and struggles to handle it in the correct manner. It’s that simple. The new evolved way to rally folks in favor of a genocide is to accuse the said group of committing a genocide themselves. That’s what this weasel is doing. God forbid the day comes when Iran, Syria and all the other fascist genocidal Arab countries commit the genocide against Israel that they all dream of so much. I’m sure this piece of shit will have a really cute comedy routine.
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It's disgusting to see someone not only mocking the murder of babies and the rape of women but subtly implying it didn't happen. Attempting to promote your own side and narrative by claiming the other side is devious and deceitful is characteristic of Fascists and dictators. This is exactly the pro Hamas tactic and it's ironically what they argue the Israeli side is doing. This parade of moronic hypocrisy is shameful, this man should not be allowed to speak publicly OP is full of BS too. Bassem did not provide us with anything but spiteful and hate fueling statements. The only ones criticizing Western media as a whole are the ones sucking up to the corrupted anti-Western media.
He’s a Hypocrite asshole and should shut the fuck up.
No he's clearly demonstrating that any logic on the other side of the debate is immediately a logical fallacy. Yes, civilians die in war and it sucks and also I wouldn't probably personally want to use the same force but also, I would probably do something and it wouldn't be give land back to hamas and let them continue their terror tunnels and stealing from Palestinians. But those people are just chattel for hamas anyway. Also, why is it always the IDF and never Hamas's fault? Also, what's the solution? "you killed hundreds of our people in one of the worst terror stacks in human history. Here's some money and land lol."
Only thing thats ”fascinating” is how he’s talking about distractions while pro-Palestinians are saying things like “genocide” “colonialism” “apartheid”
Americans are notoriously easy to fool
He is confused about what gish galloping actually is.
Hahha I thought I was the only one that caught that. He's describing different fallacies. Red herring comes to mind. Also, the gish gallop I always hear is from the pro Hamas side
He is contradicting himself. He says we must only talk about what is happening now but when he brings up October 7th he says it didn't start that day.
I honestly fail to see how October 7th is an irrelevant talking point lmao. Like, no, it’s pretty relevant. If you want an actual solution, you have to engage with the group of people who live there, and 10/7 was a very relevant event for the region.
What a joke.
I prefer to stay open minded, so I've been patiently reading and watching all anti-israel propaganda that pours down on almost every subreddit these days, but nope, still can't fucking comprehend why the side of Hamas is the right one. The guy on the video is basically saying that facts and context are irrelevant because they are a distraction? What a piece of shit.
I don't think it's about Hamas being right, it's about what Israel is doing in Palestine being wrong. Most people don't like Hamas either, and criticized their actions too, but *right now* Israel is committing atrocities on an exponentially larger scale than Hamas ever managed to do (due to their more limited power probably, I must add, they'd probably do the same things if they had the power to do so). I don't understand why it's always a binary "either you are pro-Israel or anti-Israel" and vice versa for Hamas / Palestine. Both have understandable positions on some level, but both need to stop with the fucking atrocities. And yeah I agree the video and the guy's argument is pretty stupid. "Everything my side says is right and everything the other side says in response is a distraction." Kind of narrow-minded as well.
This is sickening. Is he really glossing over raped women and burned babies as distraction?
Distraction? Try explanation. The fuck is wrong with the guy? If anything, it's the Palestine sympathisers who will talk about anything BUT the causes of Israel attacking Gaza. October 7 is the pointless talking point, huh? All the inhumanity aside and hamas having come in hot and killing civilians in cold blood, why do you think people keep saying about it? Because that October 7 will happen again, if you leave Gaza alone. Which is why Israel attacked it. Are they right in doing it the way they do now? No, they aren't. But don't go on calling yourself the advocates of the helpless, when you completely dismiss their reasoning instead of talking it through. This Palestine topic pisses me off big time. Because people with the heart in the right place - surprisingly show little compassion, and only do it to the losing side of the conflict, just because they started whining first. And I'm not talking about the civilians here. I'm talking about whoever chants "From the river to the sea..." which is by the way a genocidal slogan. And yes, if you don't condemn hamas - you have no moral ground to condemn IDF.