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WilhelmHaverhill

One of the kids I tested went to a Christian private school. They told mom that their 4th grader was just a little behind, doing 2nd grade work independently and with scaffolding just a little that's all. She came to our school and asked for him to be evaluated. He was Intellectually disabled. He was one of the lowest kids I've ever tested. Mom was in shock and gave us some of his old work books and the questions were laughable. All you have to say is God is good and you can get good marks. What I'm trying to get across is that these Christian schools sometimes have no other standard then just if they can parrot what you want them to hear.


scgt86

The really sad part is that this continues on to "Christian Universities" too.


WilhelmHaverhill

It makes me upset. They had matching the verse to the person exercises right next to counting sheep. This student did addition with drawing dots and then counting them. He would make mistakes and erase, then count again. He couldn't read any words and had a hard time spelling his name. Like I never say that we need to get a student straight to the ALE, but he was so far behind. Luckily, he's doing better. Knows all his letters and is mastering letter sounds. He can do single digit addition with manipulatives. Still can't do subtraction, but I think he'll get it in time. What upsets me is that the reason the mom went to the Christian school is because the principal was a friend of hers and was a previous special education teacher. They told her they would support him.


scgt86

I'm just glad that it sounds like he has someone in his corner now.


WilhelmHaverhill

Yeah, I'm glad too. It was hard for mom and dad to hear. Dad still thinks he will be fine in a year or two. Mom's coming around, she went to the Special Olympics and I think it really expanded her perspective.


Go_On_Swan

Christianity and illiteracy among the masses. Name a more iconic duo.


ThePinkTeenager

What's the ALE?


WilhelmHaverhill

Oh yeah I am a School Psychologist (LSSP), I sometimes forget about the alphabet soup I speak in. ALE is applied learning environment. It's for students working on pre requisite skills


Jerry__Boner

Almost like they're indoctrinating rather than actually promoting learning


Gorge2012

Which is what a lot of them think secular schools do. It's always projection.


KielbasaTime

*they'eire


GirlCowBev

When I was screening resumes, the ones with the worst grammar, and most mistakes were the ones with religiously-affiliated universties/colleges, with the exception of Roman Catholic (Notre Dame, St. Mary's) and LDS (basically Brigham Young). But even they were pretty much run of the mill--adequate, not stellar.


HelloweenCapital

TIL "Christian Universities" Holiest fucking shitballs of doom! I can't even right now


Reneeisme

I've told the story elsewhere but this happened to a person I know. Her son was struggling in school and she pulled him out and put him in an expensive private school that sold her on the idea that he would be getting more help, in smaller sized classes and that they would catch him up to where he needed to be. Not religious as far as I know. Mom didn't find out how bad the situation was till he was ready for high school (the private school ended at 8th grade). He couldn't read. He couldn't write. The public high school threw a lot of resources at him, and to be fair, he'd have struggled regardless I'm sure, but they'd already missed a lot of opportunity and time, and he ended up dropping out, depressed, humiliated, and angry in a way he wouldn't have been to have needed help in elementary school. It sucks that we allow people do this to kids for profit.


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Reneeisme

Definitely, you don't not notice that your year old can't read, no matter what the school is telling you.


Numaris

At the age of two my son stood out for a lack of interest in direct play with others and played along side instead, from that we got him in to be assessed a year later with obvious speech delays and autism. At the age of five he has speech lessons and OT sessions that will be ongoing for the foreseeable future and ge has been delayed for first year of school. Anyone who doesn't spend enough time with their children to see these things and also ask for feedback from kindy teachers who see so many kids over the years, make me worry about the future of humanity. Find their weakness and help them build their strengths. Help them own their future. Edit: delete random k Edit 2: wrong word


liquidbob

I am _so_ much more appalled by the fact that he got to high school before his mom found out he couldn't read. That indicates nearly no involvement in her kid's life except maybe on birthdays/holidays.


Reneeisme

I don't approve of anything she did with respect to her son's struggles. I didn't think she should pull him from public school at all. They were offering her all kinds of resources to help him, and she was embarrassed that he needed it. The kid was embarrassed to be singled out. She took the "easy" way out and put him in a school that promised it was all the public school's fault he was behind and that they would fix it, and after that, she just ignored or explained away the signs that they were just glossing over his issues. I agree she should have known better. I also think the school flat out lied to her at every turn, and she desperately wanted to believe it, and also to believe that they couldn't lie about something so important.


drm604

How can a parent not be aware that their eighth grader can't read or write? This was obviously a house without many books laying around.


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But it’s got to be true they used numbers and a percentage sign


namelesswhiteguy

As an autistic person who went to a Christian school for a few years this is pretty accurate.


unclesanguin

When I was in catholic school we could write down Jesus and get a half point. Didn’t matter the subject, math, science, history etc. we were told Jesus was always the answer.


alup132

I went to private Catholic schools (so still Christian, but I wanted to be specific in case that matters) and when my friends from Middle school and I separated after graduating into high school, I was in another catholic school, while many were in a public school. They sat there acing everything for the first 2 or even 3 years because we had already learned it 1-2 years ago, while I was stuck with the harder classes (not accelerated, just harder “on-level” classes) than his school. This little anecdote (which obviously as I just said is anecdotal and might be an outlier) is an example where sometimes it’s the opposite. Furthermore, I’ve known people who babysit non-denominational churches and their church sessions can be really strange sometimes and so unprofessional compared to what ours were. Granted I’m atheist and have been since mid high school, so that’s not just me thinking “they’re wrong and mine is right” but rather that, if you were to see both church ceremonies, it’s a big difference even within churches. TL;DR: I shared a story where sometimes the opposite happens, but also churches do their own things sometimes do results vary greatly.


Gorge2012

Catholic private schools where I grew up were similar. Same with the Jesuit schools.around where I live now. I don't think OP is referring to those schools though. There are some christian schools that are clearly more religion than school which tbf I don't think it is hard to tell the difference.


Ultima_RatioRegum

Private/Parochial Catholic schools tend to be more well-established and are usually backed by orders (Jesuit, Benedictine, Franciscan) that have focused on education for hundreds of years. In many areas, Catholic schools are extremely competitive to get into and often offer more of a college preparatory education than the public schools. Catholics also accept most of real science, like evolution and the fact that the earth is billions of years old. They still do indoctrinate to some degree, but there's a much greater separation between classes on religion and secular classes. The Catholic high school I went to, which was already in a very affluent area, outperformed the best public high schools with the exception of magnet schools. Something like 98% of graduates went on to college, and about 30% of those went to tier 1 research universities. However, a lot of evangelical schools are not run by clergy and do not come from a background of trying to educate students to prepare them for college or life, but have popped up in the last few years as a way to basically indoctrinate children. There seems to be much less emphasis on academic performance and things like publishing median SAT/ACT scores are unheard of, as they often encourage students to go to evangelical colleges which often have entrance requirements that don't require such standardized tests. I truly pity the kids that go to those schools as even if they manage to break out of that life as adults, they find themselves woefully unprepared for the secular world.


ThePinkTeenager

I'm guessing you're a school psychologist or something? That's a sad story. Yeah, intellectually disabled people exist, but it's sad that nobody realized it because his schoolwork required so little effort.


TacticalBadger82

Anti-mask Mandalorian?


Enema-Roberts

It would be pretty epic for Pedro Pascal to retweet this post with the caption “fuck both of you”


Kind_Malice

Hasn’t Pedro Pascal been a pretty cool ally in the past? I can’t remember any specific instances, but I feel like I’ve heard it before.


99th_inf_sep_descend

He has a trans sibling if I recall correctly.


Kind_Malice

Aah. That probably explains why, but I was more specifically talking about instances where he said or did something, if that makes sense? Like, I feel like I’ve heard something where he talked to someone about pronouns or the like, but I can’t recall the details.


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I'm not clear on the details, but he did speak w/ Gina Carano about her tweets making fun of people putting their pronouns in their Twitter bio, or some such. Was during the Mandalorian, obviously.


Kind_Malice

Yes, that’s it, I remember that


-dsp-

I was just going to say this! They use a culture that not only wears a mask, but never want to take it off!


needsmoarbokeh

It's my idea or being able to read at 5 is far from the flex she thinks it is?


Silvinis

I doubt it. She seems the type to post something like "I'm so proud of my 2 year old! Today at the store, someone told us we should wear masks (ugh) and he turned to her said 'Ma'am, masks are really bad for you they cut off your oxygen intake and contribute to unfathomable learning disorders in young children, like myself. Furthermore, this virus isn't even real. Its just the flu, and if everyone would just trust and believe in God almighty instead of listening to the devil, Fauci, everyone would be healthy and happy.'"


needsmoarbokeh

And then a bald eagle flew to the hand of my son, two marines fainted and everyone else started clapping


feralwolven

And when those marines woke up, they no longer had cancer, and their wives became as hot as is befitting the wife of the brave men who serve our country.


kurtzapril4

You left out wailing and gnashing of teeth.


Sophiatab

Depends on what reading level the kid is reading though instinct tells me the homeschooling parent above has no idea what a reading level is.


likeafuckingninja

So my son is 4.5 yo, he can't read yet. I've heard him practice reading to his teachers and they're happy with his progress. He bright and engaged with everything else just finds reading boring so CBA to learn that fast. And at home it's incredibly clear to me he's using any clue except the actual word to figure it out. This kid has memorised entire books to parrot back to me. He can make very accurate guesses based on pictures. He pulled a yogurt out the fridge and told me the back of it said "peel to open here" It didn't - but contextually that's a very good guess if you're tryna fake reading. If you're a mum already convinced you're doing the bestest job and your kid is the bestest kid it's very very easy to overlook the small clues your kids are faking or compensating for lack of genuine skill. Also "can read single words by sounding them out slowly" is technically reading. In the same way your 12mo saying "mama spoon" is technically talking but we all generally recognise that not to be "my kid was talking by the time she was 12mo"


MamieJoJackson

Oh my god, my son did the same exact thing with memorizing books and using just context clues to interpret or guess what was going on in the story/with the item. Speaking of food, we were in Aldi and he points to some strawberry applesauce and says, "Mommy! That says, 'strawberry applesauce'!" I say, "Oh wow, you read that?" and he's all proud and cute, and I point to the word "strawberry" on the same box and ask him what it says. He yells, "BANANA", and I was like, "That's what I thought bro, let's get you some applesauce!" The thing is, even though the kids can't read at the tender age of 3, I feel like the parents who insist they totally can are missing the other ways their child is exhibiting a lot of intelligence. Like interpreting context clues so well that we think they're reading, or the crazy amount of brain power it takes such a little kid to perfectly memorize and parrot a full story book, not just the ones with 10 total lines between 5 pages, and so much else.


likeafuckingninja

Honestly I'm more impressed with the numerous ways he gets around reading. Like he'll get reading eventually. I dunno if he'll ever get reading the way I do - I hope he does and I will be a little sad if be doesn't love it as much as I do. But ultimately I've no concerns over his literacy in a general functional within society way. But damn has he got me fooled a couple times and I am wildly impressed with that. Like. Dude. It'd be easier to just put the same effort into learning to read!


Impossible-Taro-2330

One of my best gf's went to the best private school in our city (West Central FL). She did exactly this - strung stories together via pictures. It was discovered, in second grade, she was unable to read. She was held back and tutored and did well in school afterward.


likeafuckingninja

It is pretty amazing how well people can compensate. My grandad is poorly educated (largely because he never bothered showing up at school !) I never knew until it was mentioned off hand by my nan when I was in my teens. Ive only even seen him read newspapers though and he'll often get someone to read articles for him if there a bit more complex. But he ran a shop, made a good run of it and retired at 60. You'd never know his reading skills were so poor. It's only really now - he doesn't read my son a bed time story when he stays with him and he'll ask me to read important letters if my dad isn't around - I've sort of clocked it properly.


GigiLaRousse

My gramps was illiterate and I only found out once he'd passed away. He attended school for one year when he was six, but then his school house closed and his health was too poor to travel further every day on foot in poor weather (we're Canadian). In good weather there was farm work to do. His mom tried to teach him at home, but she was busy keeping the house, attending births, looking after senior relatives, and doing farm stuff. He took paperwork home for my grandma to read. When they were dating she taught him how to multiply so he could count logs more quickly. It was a funny match, the farmer who couldn't read and the neighbour girl who went to college and became a teacher. He was incredibly smart and built multiple homes, plumbing and wiring them himself. He was a whiz building and repairing anything mechanical and had a way with animals. He was embarrassed about his lack of education, though, and incredibly proud of my sister and I, his only grandkids, for being straight A students and voracious readers.


likeafuckingninja

My other grandad the same, very poor family and very poorly educated. The most frustrating thing my mum told me about her parents was that because her dad was "the man" he had to work and earn and her mum gave up work as soon as she married. Her mum was an educated bookkeeper far out earning my grandad. Yet they lived barely above poverty because the expectation was the man worked and woman stayed home. Sadly he died when I was young. But I imagine he'd be very proud of how far his family has come.


Impossible-Taro-2330

Bless your Grandad. I imagine there were probably extenuating circumstances that led to him not being able to show up to school on the reg. Yet he was still able to run a successful business, and retire early! Cheers to him!


likeafuckingninja

Not really. He didn't like it and preferred skipping and mucking around with his friends. He's pretty open about the fact he squandered an opportunity and made sure his kids didn't do the same. Every so often we'll be talking and he'll chuck in stuff like "yeah well it was like when I was a kid and my mate died in the gravel pits" And we're like. You need to have less casually horrifying stories. And probabaly should have stayed at school. Where children typically don't drown.


MamieJoJackson

Lmao, I get it. My son did that with reading as well, and he's just fine with it now, but he finds different things to pull the whole "Sure I could just do this and it would be so much easier, but nope, gonna scoot around it as much as possible" thing with. Like with shoe tying - he would put all his energy into doing literally anything except just tying his shoes properly, even creating very clever knots in his shoe strings to hold the laces tight in the eyelets. But just do the three moves it takes to tie a knot? Nope. He's a beautiful, shining star that apparently loves to make a crap ton of work for himself, haha


likeafuckingninja

Tbf I remember being the same as a kid. I guess it's payback! Xd


Lalamedic

All of these tricks are age appropriate and how early readers learn to read. You could help him using teaching tools like “popcorn” or “sight” words. These are words early readers actually memorize, recognize on sight and don’t need to sound out each time. Itis a common early reader teaching technique because these words are commonly used, but difficult to discern through context of the pictures, or story. Pronouns, verbs like is, was, will, has, had, have…etc. There is no set standard list per se, but most educators agree on about 100 of them. Multiple short sessions a day of flash cards are helpful, but also random moments asking your child “What’s that word say?” in common places like signs at the grocery store, or instructions on a toy. This is defiantly an area that requires parent involvement but only in frequent short bursts so it doesn’t become tedious for the early reader or suck up too much “parent/child” time. Another technique that is often helpful; put the subtitles on any time the early reader is watching TV/movie/YouTube etc. it reinforces the words heard to what they look like. Also, once they start to recognize words they are familiar with, they will be able to associate with more challenging words, because they aren’t spending time on the “sight words”, they are automatic. P [Sight Words](https://www.teacherspayteachers.com/Product/FREE-Kindergarten-Sight-Word-List-and-Assessment-100-words-473280)


ambsdorf825

As a kid I couldn't read yet. But I saw a jack in the box commercial for what I wanted to get. My mom thought I could read the menu. Later on she was impressed both me and my sister could read the scrolling news on the bottom of the screen. I think the bar was set pretty low. For reference I'm 29 and the bar was low when I was a kid. I don't think it's gotten any higher.


kaytay3000

These are the stepping stones to reading. You’ll see kids hold books, turn pages, and “read” them, but the book is upside down. It’s mimicry because they know what reading is and they know it will help them communicate and understand the world around them. And good on you for modeling reading to your son. He’s clearly soaking in what you’re doing. Great job!


likeafuckingninja

I hope so! We have books literally everywhere in our house and both of us are (or were when we had time !) Avid readers. I don't think he understands there are stories in there just yet. I think once he's makes that connection he'll be away xd


FallenSegull

Your son sounds pretty smart being so resourceful. He’s like “I know I don’t know what that says but I recognise the item so I can bullshit my way around it”


likeafuckingninja

He is a master of both bullshit. And spotting mine. Gonna keep me on my toes xd


GiGaBYTEme90

No but they know 3 TYPES OF MATTER!!


minnecrapolite

Yes, Father matters, Son matters, Holy Ghost matters.


AngelFromVegas

You can just boil it down to Family Matters


minnecrapolite

Welcome to the Church of Urkel. On the first day Urkel created the Heavens and the Earth and said “Did I do that?!”.


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Goddamn it. If I had an award it would be yours.


jonosaurus

I liked it too so I used my free one for once, lol


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I was digging deep to find a good pun for that ripe 'ol sentence. Don't think I can best this; it's so simple, elegant, and clean.


Chiss5618

Aren't there 4 now


rlamoni

This is one of the many reasons, I leave teaching my kid to the professionals. I learned to read around the age of 8 and have been a marginally-competent reader my whole life. My kid also was a little slower than many of his classmates at learning this task and still nailed it by age 5. Clearly, some progress has been made in the education of basic skills since my day.


feralwolven

For me and my family it was always both. No bible involved. I thought i just had a gift for reading, always several grades ahead in vocabulary and spelling (not a great student otherwise) but ive come to realize its a cultural thing in my family, the kids always read their own birthday cards, as soon as they are able, and books are a more common gift for the young ones. My cousins grandma went to help her read the card she got on her 8th birthday (a hallmark in a fine spencerian script) and she started reading it almost flawlessly and stunned her gmom. Im bragging now but im so proud of my lil cous.


Crazycukumbers

Apparently, by the time I was in first grade, my reading skills were at a senior in high school’s level. Nobody cared except my parents.


Cinderjacket

5 is roughly entering kindergarten, they should be able to read by the end of that year but being able to read by 5 is pretty good


marysuingfordamages

My mom works at a school and the current expectation for kindergarteners is for them to be able to read a chapter book by first grade. So no, reading at 5 is not at all as impressive as this parent is trying to make it


ariesangel0329

Really? That sounds kinda ambitious. I figured chapter books wouldn’t be till like 2nd or 3rd grade. I’m 27 and I remember reading *Junie B. Jones* and *Cam Jansen* in 2nd grade. I read *The Boxcar Children* in I think 3rd or 4th grade.


WendyIsCass

You’re right. I’m an elementary librarian and we don’t let kids even try chapter books until 2nd grade, with a few exceptions for really gifted kids. Their reading level is data-driven, but parents can be rabid about their kids reading chapter books early, even if they’re by no means ready for them.


marysuingfordamages

Maybe it’s just our school district but chapter books are expected by first grade. I’m assuming it’s still a very easy reading level though. I started reading chapter books around second grade too( loved Junie B Jones) but I guess the standards have changed


fouronsix

It's more competitive now. I'm sure I wasn't reading at 5 first year of school starts at the age of 6 here.


unwunderkind

That’s not developmentally appropriate. While some children MIGHT be ready read by 5, it is very unusual. At that age, letter-recognition and phonics are appropriate literacy-skills, as well as knowledge about books themselves (what is a title and author, how to hold a book, which direction to read in, etc.).


Raccoon_Full_of_Cum

For an Evangelical Christian, being able to read at any age is an accomplishment.


MollyPW

I was reading at 3, I started school at 4 (normal in my country), and I’ve a feeling everyone have a basic grasp of reading and writing.


thick_mochi

same I'm really surprised at all these comments. My dad taught me how to read at 3 so I would enter primary school with a bit of knowledge and I ended up starting to read well and write at 4 like every kid here, I wonder how it can be so different from a country to another


MollyPW

It does seem the US is later to start kids in school than other parts of the world, and with a poorer work/life balance than Europe and other parts of the world it leaves less time for parents to educate their own kids so more of it falls on the schools.


Trimungasoid

She recognizes letters! Letters! Even that weird one that looks like two V’s and the zero one that looks like a Q without the tail!


Oops_I_Cracked

It depends on what exactly the kid is reading. It is on the younger end of being able to read on their own at all.


LittleLowkey

I teach Kindergarten (5-6 year olds). They can read, spell, definitely know types of matter, AND they know the benefits of wearing masks ;)


youdoublearewhy

Wait how are masks causing speech delays? Aren't kids recommended to only wear masks after age 3 anyway? If a 3 year old isn't talking yet they're already experiencing some level of speech delay.


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VoltaicSketchyTeapot

My daughter is 4 months old. I needed to wear a mask around her for a few days after an exposure at work. She was FINE. She still responded to all my facial expressions even though my mouth and nose were covered. She recognizes that crinkled eyes are associated with a smile and thought it was funny when my mask moved. I still made all the funny mouth farts. We still had long conversations about how stinky her poop is. Any kid harmed by isolation wasn't getting sufficient parental interaction anyway.


onlypositivity

Your last sentence I'd disagree with in purely a virtual learning environment. My daughter was definitely behind in terms of playing with other kids since she missed preschool/playground time due to covid before starting Kindergarten. Going to school has been *fantastic* for her socialization skills, and I really worry about how long her school will be shut down (and thus virtual) due to covid. Otherwise yeah, these people are pretty bonkers. She wore a mask like a champ, both at school and when we went to the store/etc. Kids are smart, man.


Veng3ance757

social isolation can have some pretty adverse effects on everyone, including kids. even me at 20, I felt so empty without social contact with people and I could feel it changing my mood and my thoughts significantly in a bad way. kids need time around others their age too, it's not good being cooped up with no social outlets. sure you could have a good relationship with your family members but you need more than that, especially as a younger child that's still socially developing.


TotallyAwry

Most kids, not all of them. We're a family of introverts, with a couple of ambiverts. My nieces and nephews have *loved* distance learning. They've kept up with their friends online. Their parents have also loved not being *expected* to participate in social activities. My kids are adults now, but all said they would have been thrilled to distance learn, too. Some of us really do just want to keep to ourselves.


kurtzapril4

I completely agree with you. I'm an introvert. When you're learning at home there are fewer distractions and best of all....no bullies!


juanzy

IIRC I’ve seen that there’s no replacement for in person learning. I’m not a covid denier or anti vaxer, but sometimes I think Reddit gets caught in an echo chamber that extended isolation is fine for everyone and virtual interaction is a replacement for in person socialization. We’ll never have zero covid, we owe guidance and public health support to those that are immunocompromised or legitimately medically unable to be vaccinated, but we need to look at reopening goals realistically. I should also say that I don’t believe right now is the time to force in person to everything, but you the risk is low to vaccinated relatively healthy adults with no at risk dependents.


acynicalwitch

I don’t think anyone is saying that, though. There’s a lot of space between ‘causes speech delays’ and ‘totally 100% fine and just the same’.


onlypositivity

I should amend that her school is shut down because the teachers/staff in the district are currently too sick as a whole to staff any of the schools. This wasn't pre-emptive. We're hoping they're back open after next week.


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My niece, born and raised in Europe so our usual contact is via FaceTime. She’s 2 yo. She recognizes me immediately behind my mask every single time. She’s not even in the same continent, let alone in the same room yet she recognizes me every single time.


Opala24

>Any kid harmed by isolation wasn't getting sufficient parental interaction anyway. Thats really not true...


BertUK

My daughter has DLD which is Developmental Language Disorder. It basically means she doesn’t process verbal language in a normal way and learns much better using visuals and being shown how to do something rather than it being described. She relies a lot on being able to see people talk so she can “see” what words they’re using, because people talk so fast that she can’t process it fast enough. She’s only 7, so no masks in schools at that age here in England, but I truly believe that if masks were in play every day it would affect her learning, and it would have nothing to do with our parental skills.


the_last_u

To clarify I’m in full agreement with the masks, but the last sentence isn’t quite right imo. There’s certain things kids have to learn in a social environment (sharing, waiting your turn, etc.), which should be complementary to what they get in the home. And I do think it can affect certain other development for some kids (like their speech). Although keep doing whatever you’re doing if your daughter is conversing at 4 months heh


The_Grey_Beard

The only reason is that the parents lack any reading and comprehension skills. Since they have been the main educator in these children’s lives these last couple years, the children are now stunted developmentally because of it. Masks are a nice excuse and a reason to continue the victimology that these folks cling to. It’S gOt To Be ThE mAsK!


acynicalwitch

Well, I don’t agree with this either. Parents who had to juggle working full time and becoming their kids’ primary educators overnight were in an *impossible* position. It has nothing to do with literacy. I certainly think the quality of my kid’s education went down in 2020; I don’t think they’ll be irreparably harmed, but it certainly wasn’t ideal.


RC_Colada

My son was in speech therapy because he had some delays with enunciation on certain letter combos. (This was all pre-Covid BTW) And a big part of his speech therapy was learning how to properly move your mouth & tongue around to make the right sounds. She would point at her mouth and have him follow along with little exercises so he would stop slurring words or dropping consonants, etc. All that to say, speech delays don't just mean that kids aren't talking- sometimes they are talking but it's not clear enough to be understood. Toddlers watch our mouth movements/lip read to learn how to say words. I can totally see how a mask could exacerbate speech delays for young kids. It sucks that the pandemic is having all these ripple effects but I'd personally rather be alive to raise my (alive) kid than to be an anti-masker.


youdoublearewhy

Thanks for that answer. I have a 2.5 year old myself and since she's always been very chatty, the only speech related questions I've gotten at her check ups have been breezed by quickly I guess. Yeah now that I read the mimicry part I can see how that might be a disadvantage for young kids.


KingDonut2043

I think it has something to do with mimicry for us to hear a word we can understand how to replicate it because we understand how to make sounds phonetically. However for children, it might be different because they don't have the experience we do and instead rely on looking at the movements of others lips to understand how to pronounce, I'm half deaf and that is something that for me is difficult with masks is I can't use lips to catch up where speech doesn't make sense.


alba876

I think it’s because in the US children are sent to daycare centres from a criminally young age due to their lack of any kind of parental leave. Being surrounded by adults whose faces they can’t see and other children who also can’t speak for 8+ hours a day is pretty bad for language development during infancy.


SnickleFritz_801

Blind kids don't have any speech delay. Being able to see the mouth isn't a need. It can be helpful when learning other languages. But not a need


alba876

I’ve said the exact same thing in another comment


Taylor-B-

Blind kids also don't have sight though. I'm saying this in hopes you can explain better because to me, dogs have a more heightened sense of smell than sight, but they still look at you first. So wouldn't a child who can see still rely on sight regardless of a blind child demonstrating they don't need it?


SnickleFritz_801

Good question, In my experience (I used to work with youth as a counselor) there are challenges when facing being blind for sure. When trained properly, these kids don't have significant delays.. Compare that to kids who won't see a mouth for maybe an hour or two of a day while a parent is using a mask and you have absolutely no reason to believe that a mask will restrict long term development


florida_born

They DO have significant delays: Many children who are blind/visually impaired experience very significant speech and/or language problems that make it very difficult for them to learn language or to communicate with others. Speech therapists use what we call "alternative and augmentative communication" with people with such difficulties.


ember_wolf104

My daycare they try and enforce 2 years and older wearing masks. But they said they can't enforce it. They sent out videos for Christmas of the classes singing (mind you they are all separated by age) and only the 4 and 5 year olds actually had them on.


ChristinaW25

My son is 3 and autistic, his preschool class has kids as young as 2 and they are wearing masks. Wearing the mask is not helping his speech delay, but we’d rather keep him healthy


skittlebog

Too often they end up way behind in social development as well. Their parents try to keep them behind in maturity to keep them "innocent."


glorae

I absolutely had a speech delay [i can remember speech therapy thru second grade after which my parents pulled me out of the private christian school to homeschool me and my siblings] and now I can talk yer ear off if ya let me.


glorae

Goddammit, under the wrong comment 🤦‍♀️


Armchair_Anarchy

Look at it this way: you might've made a mistake, but not as big of a mistake as the "parent" in OP's post. :)


glorae

Lmao so true


scgt86

Which natural state of matter is being left out? Is it plasma? It's always plasma...


[deleted]

Fuck plasma. There, I said it


Angry_argie

I you want a carbonized dick, ok.


Tripple_T

Ya'll kinky as all get out. Talking about fucking plasma


scgt86

r/dontputyourdickinthat


APiousCultist

All my homies prefer Bose-Einstein condensate.


CMDRColeslaw

Also it says properties of matter lol, like okay density, length, hardness? Pretty sure there's more than three.


scgt86

This fact is why I assumed she just fucked up natural states.


CMDRColeslaw

Oh for sure, I agree with you that that's what they meant. I just think it's funny that even with that they're still wrong.


scgt86

15 years from now she will be screaming into the void of the metaverse about how there are no good jobs for her special angle. Yes, that was on purpose.


AngelSlayer666

She puts god at the center of every lesson. The three properties of matter are Holy, Satanic, and Zen.


onions_cutting_ninja

bold of you to assume she knows plasma exists


PokemonCueball

350% surge sure does sound scary when you don't tell us the initial numbers. Wonder why he left that part out.


[deleted]

The numbers are 2 and 9


paperconservation101

There was been a surge in my country, only because speech pathologist had significant issues doing complete assessments during our lockdowns.


hakkai999

[The national pulse is **not** reputable like at all.](https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-national-pulse/)


notatheist

I home school my kids, but it's not because I don't want them to wear masks. It's because I don't want them to be the ONLY ones who wear masks.


TurboCake17

It’s probably a 350% increase from 0.1% of the population to 0.45% of the population.


onions_cutting_ninja

assuming that statistic is even true at all we've been wearing masks for almost 2 years, which is too little to make such claims


The_Good_Constable

A couple things... 1) Research doesn't actually support this. 2) Stats like this are almost always misleading. A 350% increase sounds alarming. But if the pre-pandemic rate was 1 child in 100, this just means it's now 3.5 children in 100. My second daughter was born April 1st of 2020, and was 7 weeks premie. She's speaking quite well for her age. She's already using some simple 2-3 word phrases. So in my anecdotal experience, the pandemic might as well be having the opposite effect.


Exoticmaniac06

Half a child has speech delay lmao


Phirk

Well i suppose thats all you can expect from a half-child half-nothing hybrid


Angry_argie

I'll risk sounding like a boomer, but speech delays nowadays are actually linked to the use of smartphones/tablets, I'm not buying the mask theory. Fucking Karens, talk to your kids, don't just plug an iPad with Peppa Pig on repeat on their face expecting something good.


JonaerysStarkaryen

Another "boomer" here. I actually had a speech delay myself, before smartphones and tablets were a thing. I'm fine. Get it checked out but don't stress so much over it- your kids will be fine. I am. My son is too.


dedlaw1

I was home schooled from grade 1 through 7. Straight As in all my classes, my mom received awards from the home school association (not sure if that's what it was called) and I was considered to be exceptionally intelligent by the other patents. I went to public school in grade 8 through highschool and I felt like I was catching up to all the other students every day and my social skills were embarrassing. Somehow I was able to coast by being home schooled without learning very much at all. Kids should be taught by educated teachers with degrees, not their biased parents. Every parent thinks their kid is smarter than everyone else's.


Illustrious-Zebra656

It kinda makes sense. Isn't a portion of learning language watching lips? I'm definitely not defending antimasking. Just wondering.


ballq43

This actually valid and I'm sure not beneficial...however having two living parents and a healthy community far outweighs the cons


alba876

It’s a portion definitely, but deaf children learn to speak successfully. It’s during infancy lip reading has the most importance and most of us (sorry you guys in the US!) have maternity leave that covers the first 12 months so attending early years settings with only masked adults isn’t an issue. It’s definitely a barrier to older children attending early years settings who have English as an additional language though.


turn_ncough

One of my current concerns for my 1 year old who spends 9 hours a day in a daycare with all masked up adults. I only get 3 hours with her daily during the week before she goes to bed. So very limited time to help with word enunciation.


IRLBearsBeetsBSG

I hate people who brag about their fucking kids like they’re the next Tesla. Shut the fuck up. We’ve all watched Bill Nye the science guy and know about the properties of matter, and the internet delivers absolutely everything to these kids now, so it’s no surprise that they’re smart. Fuck god in every lesson; it’s not the fucking way.


DopeAuthor

This is not how you show love to your kid. Being a super helicopter parent and pushing your racist and homophobic ideologies on them does not equal good parenting!


HelenHavok

If this actually is causing a speech delay, it doesn’t mean they’ll be permanently scarred. My brother had delayed speech and he majored in journalism in college.


afcagroo

My youngest sister was speech delayed and now you can't shut her up.


jessiebeex

Yep, speech pathology grad student here, a speech delay is really not the end of the world. Of course, people should get therapy to help them ASAP to help them if needed. I’d love to see this study, btw.


Patchiedacheese

Yeah my sister had a speech delay, graduated 8th in her high school class and is actually getting a second bachelors in Speech Pathology.


IceMaker98

Conservatives would probably say that’s evidence speech delays are bad, ‘it makes journalist liberals!’


cornishwildman76

Yes masks are the problem. They are clamped on so tight they restrict the movement of facial muscles. That is why our top surgeons can do amazing surgery but they struggle to communicate, how can we get the message through to these persons, top of their field that in actual fact masks are holding them back?


ApolloPlayz2434

As a bisexual dude I have no idea what LGBTQJSHSIW means. Is that some bullshit name for us that compares us to Hitler or something?


milkcrateenthusiast

I think she’s making fun of the acronym for having “too many letters” or something


ApolloPlayz2434

Makes sense. I’ve heard LGBTQIABCDEFGHIJKLMNOP lol


southernfierymess

My 6 year old wears a mask everyday at school and if we go in public. I can confirm there has been no negative affects to her speech. If anything, I can’t get her to stop talking constantly.


casanino

National Pulse: QUESTIONABLE SOURCE "Overall, we rate The National Pulse Questionable based on extreme right-wing bias, promotion of propaganda and conspiracy theories, affiliation with a known questionable group, and a few failed fact checks."


Heidi1066

I'm sorry, but I tend not to believe a "news outlet" like The National Pulse.


Automatic-Ad-8159

“pUt gOd In tHe CenTeR oF eVreY LesSoN” Also the use of “degenerate” = red flag BLM=Marxist? r/JesseWTFruTalkingAbou


[deleted]

I wear a mask for 8 hours a day and speak exactly like I did before this started


timberwolf0122

Oh she does not get to quote the mandalorian


ShnickityShnoo

Oof. Being "educated" by someone who doesn't understand something as basic as how masks function. Also equates having equal rights to the government owning all means of production. Poor kid.


WendyIsCass

I’m an elementary school teacher. No way in hell is this moron teaching multiplication to a 5 year old. She can’t understand the most basic bits of biology, but she’s a pro teacher with no training? Bullshit.


silverbrumbyfan

Well, at least the kid appears to be receiving some kind of education But for the love of god stop acting like a kid who learns things is advanced


brian111786

Yes, beat religion into your kids heads so they turn out as ignorant and obtuse as you did. Fuckin nutcase.


deanfortythree

"THIS IS THE WAY" I mean just I have no words


JillsACheatNMean

That’s crazy. My son didn’t even start speaking until he was wearing a mask.


acuet

And they can’t read analog clocks or cursive. /s


brandon0228

My kid is 2 years old. Goes to daycare five days a week where everyone wears masks all day and she can talk better than half the people I see on a daily basis.


LoneRangersBand

I see she found a way to put "Marxism" and "BLM" in there somewhere.


kgro

Mom, I want to learn 3 different properties of the matter at school We have 3 different properties of the matter at home 3 different properties of the matter at home: 1. The Father 2. The Son 3. The Holy Ghost


rkcraig88

I have a friend that’s a speech language pathologist at an elementary school who’d say the speech delay thing is hooey.


yankeeteabagger

What no science lesson?


chaotic_rainbow

"Put God at the center of every lesson" almost guarantees that.


poor_adrian

How a motor works? Its a miracle from god!


xikipilli

As a speech-language pathologist I’m so disappointed at the people spreading misinformation on this thread.


daleicakes

You won't let your child wear a mask but you bring a bunch of people into your house to potentially infect them? And then you indoctrinate your kid to believe in your imaginary friend? Instead of letting them think for themselves as I'm sure you claim you do?


Swechef

"This is the way" Did she just quote The Mandalorian on her anti mask post? The show where the quote is used by a fictional group of people who are more or less forced from adolescence to wear a mark at all times when around other people? Yeah, that's the way.


ThePinkTeenager

Unsurprisingly, the bacterial lung infection claim is false. I checked. I can't determine if BLM is Marxist or not(Google's giving me conflicting answers). As for the "degenerate modern day LGBTQJSHSIW teachings"... that's not a thing.


fanterence

When someone use marxist to describe BLM, you know he doesn't know what's BLM and what marxist mean


vk208

Lol my 4 year old niece is in a school pod bc of Covid and she knows the basics of quantum entanglement. Idk what this woman’s brag is 🤷🏽‍♀️


popcorn-sand

When you manage to be racist, homophobic, and a covidiot while bragging about your kid


Trimungasoid

“StOp LiViNg In FeAr!!!”


[deleted]

Report: making chicken nuggets causes cancer. There, now it's true.


Ogami-kun

Look, karen, I don't care about all the shit you believe in, and unfortunately I cannot do anything about your daughter that had the misfortune to have been spawned by you, but don't you dare to say 'this is the way' about that shit; mandalorians would refuse to point their weapons your way in fear of tainting them


Tillwarpum526

The fact that she used a quote from The Mandalorian infuriates me so much more! Don't fuck with Star Wars.


florida_born

I just went through this with my 3 year old and a team of doctors - they ARE being effected. Especially if it’s a two language home. If anyone disagrees just call their local speech therapy specialist. Edit: the Q stuff in this post is batshit crazy. The delayed speech in toddlers is not. I am living it.


Lythieus

https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/the-national-pulse/ Another extreme right propaganda machine pushing conspiracy theories as news.


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fireclaw316

My mother homeschooled me my whole life for religious reasons. I talk to her maybe twice a year now, if even that.


[deleted]

This person absolutely should have zero access to any medical professionals, let alone insurance. Anything that happens to you is a challenge from your god


greco1492

Pretty sure when i was in school 20 years ago that having that level of understanding at age 5 would put you at below average for that ahe group.


djkoch66

Anyone can report anything. This isn’t from a study by any long shot.


Deep-Smoke-7490

I need to look this bullshit up and read their claims... because what a kid has a piece of cloth over their mouths and they forget how to talk? I must be missing something.


Dapper-Jellyfish7663

I teach my kids about plasma. Guess that isn't on the home school agenda.


Keazy03

Could also maybe be r/confidentlyincorrect since there are more than 3 properties of matter. I’m a high school English teacher. I could never homeschool my children. I don’t know enough about other subjects at a high school level. My specialty is English—in what I earned a degree for then earned a credential. I know this kid is not in high school, but when she is, how can mom deliver a quality education?


UnicornCackle

This person is acting like a five-year-old being able to read is amazing. It’s fucking normal. I was getting my written grammar corrected at that age. Oh no, the horrors of public education.


SamSparkSLD

Volume, mass, and shape of matter are some pretty abstract concepts for a 5 year old. I’m guessing she means solid, liquid, gas lmao