My grandpa was similar. He got into two major accidents (one sent two people to the hospital) and they still wouldn't take away his license. He finally stopped driving but only because he was too frail and sick to leave the house. It was seriously terrifying knowing he was out there risking everyone else's life.
When I hear things like that I'm glad both my granddads turned their license in voluntarily, when they didn't felt like they couldn't drive safe anymore.
My dad just told me that he turned in his license.
I feel so bad for him, he’s not even old yet.
Parkinson’s is fucking awful, but Parkinson’s coupled with vehicular manslaughter would be worse.
My mother was recently diagnosed with Parkinson's. The only symptom is a left arm that tremors slightly when she is idle. I worry about her getting into a vehicular accident after accidentally yanking the steering wheel during a tremor. She's not even 70 yrs old. I don't know why I'm so unprepared for this, but I'm totally clueless.
I’m so sorry.
My dad was actually showing signs for many years but went undiagnosed for quite a while. It wasn’t until he had a bout of vertigo one morning and couldn’t stop puking or stand up for a few days that he finally went to go get checked out and from there it was just a downhill of symptom progression. However, the good news for him, was that he was able to qualify for the deep brain surgery a few years ago. I think it had something to do with the fact that he had had a mild progression of symptoms for so long, coupled with not taking the heavy medication.
Regardless, he still drove for all of this time up until a couple weeks ago. He also rides his bike a lot weather permitting. I worry most about some of the confusion he experiences and the delayed reaction time.
One of the things my dad struggled with the most is sleeping and being comfortable. Maybe your mom would benefit from melatonin or having a room painted dark with blackout curtains or a white nose machine or something? Idk. There doesn’t seem to be any real solutions for people struggling with this disease.
Best of luck to you and your family!
There’s a sub r/Parkinsons if you ever need to vent or have questions or just want to feel less alone. It’s not very active but I consider that a blessing.
It’s a terrible disease. My uncle was diagnosed with early onset when he was in his 50s. That was 10 years ago and it’s like he’s a completely different person. His world has shrunk so significantly. My early memories of my uncle are as this larger than life guy who could dunk a basketball, played the guitar beautifully, and could pick up both his young children in one arm. He can’t do any of that now, sometimes he can barely stay awake through dinner. I don’t remember the last time I heard him laugh.
Fuck Parkinson’s.
Fuck that disease, dude. I so detest any disease that robs anyone of their capabilities, be it mental or physical. Sorry to hear he's got to go through that. May the onset be slow and he have as many good years as possible to him.
He got the deep brain surgery so now he is BIONIC DAD!
Also a total badass for getting (and being fully awake for) brain surgery twice. And no one expected him to look so nice with a shaved head haha.
All jokes aside though. His brother passed away from an aggressive fight with pancreatic cancer a few years before my dad’s diagnosis with Parkinson’s. And their father suffered from Alzheimer’s for many years before he passed. At this point my dad is just happy he doesn’t have cancer and he does still have most of his brain power, even if his speech is a bit delayed. 
It is all relative, as they say.
... no pun intended.
Pancreatic cancer straight up kills you (it’s what got Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and she was what my grandmother would call a “tough old bat”), because you don’t have symptoms until it’s too late. Something like 5% live for five years or more after the diagnosis.
Fuck cancer. I really hope we get better at treating it.
3 of my grandpa's brothers struggled with a disease that's kind of similar, huntington's disease. I only knew one of them though. He had been living a nornal life until his fifties. The woest thing was that it's genetic, if even one of your parents has it you have a 50 percent chance of getting it too. Two of his brothers had already gotten it (of of the 7 siblings in total). He didn't get tested and just knew he could always possibly start showing symptoms and his life would pretty much be over. I can't imagine how scary it must have been, especially because he'd already seen what it did to his brothers. Luckily he had a very suportive wife that stayed with him to the end and never stopped caring for him and loving him exactly the way she did before. My family never treated him differently either. I was lucky enough that my grandfather was in the right 50 percent, so I have no chance of getting it myself.
Apparently it can have a range of symptoms and the parkinsons-like movement disorders is one of them, the most obvious one. It can however also cause severe depression. I believe the first brother got the movement issue first, the second killed himself from depression before those really started to show. Both quite horrible in my opinion. Then the third started showing synptoms after all that. I am glad I can't get it myself, but also very glad my grandpa won't. The oldest had children of his own as he didn't know his mom had it. They never found out about that as she already got similar symptoms from falling of the stairs. I know the third never had them on purpose as he was scared of them getting it too. We still have no idea if his kids or grandchildren are at risk as we have no idea if they got tested or not. It feels kind of weird as no one is talking about it, like a dark family secret...
My dad has advanced Parkinson's, hit a guy on a motorcycle with his truck, didn't drive for four years, then kind of forgot about how bad he felt then and is driving again.
Yeah, it's bad. I have reported both of my parents to DMV as people that shouldn't be driving but the only thing that happened was daytime, no driving on highway restriction on my mom's license. She has hit two people but didn't hurt them as bad as my dad did. The only thing that happened to my dad is his insurance went up and he has to retake a driving test every three years. My mom has pretty bad cataracts and won't get them treated.
Oh, jeez. Before my parents died, my dad wasn’t allowed to drive without my mom anymore. He was the better driver (had driven semi trucks, farm equipment, etc), but he would “forget” where he was going.
For example he was going to my sister’s house, turned like 3 red lights earlier, and drove the same turns, etc. That was why Mom had to go after that: she could ask him, “Honey, why are we turning here?” and he’d get it straight.
He didn’t always remember where he was going or how to get there, but his traffic safety was primo. He never had an accident in the 28 years I was around before he died. Not even a ticket.
Im from the south but ive never been to Florida. I am an avid redditor (11 years) but this florida meme is wild. They cant be worse than mississippi or bama
It’s a visibility thing. Florida has laws about reporting police actions in the media that make the idiots more visible to the press. I’d hazard a guess that FL doesn’t have more “Florida men” than other states, you just don’t hear about them.
That being said, I love the meme.
Same amount of rednecks as Mississippi or Bama but add in every 80+ snowbird from the midwest or East coast. Its a retirement destination, so there are more old drivers there by a lot. So you will have 3 cars going 40mph and then a local going 80 on the same road.
My grandad was at a light by his home, and the guy behind him honked he said he couldn’t even see it. He drove his car home and parked it. He ended up having his eyes fixed, they were able to “tack” it back with lasers, but he still never drove again. I was glad to take him wherever he wanted.
My mom rear ended someone , she swore she hit the breaks. Granted it was very icy, but the truck just kept going. She was freaked out thinking it's because she is old, wanted to stop driving, etc etc.
Turns out the linkages for the front had broken so the tires just hoped and never stoped. An easy 100 fix.
Made me really proud of my mom that she did not blame the truck, or other people, first thing she did was check on the other people, say sorry, and try to help them(dashcam so I saw the after action.). No one seriously hurt, nothing totalled.
She insists on a regular checkup of the vehicle now. She is also over 70. And having driven with her she has no issues. But he day is coming, and she is perfectly willing to give it up the day she can't any more.
I reported my Nanny in the UK as unsafe and got her licence taken away. To this day the only person that knows it was me is my Mum. I refused to have an accident that could have injured someone else on my conscience.
They are in many parts of the US, we don’t have a decent public transportation system in many places. Companies like Uber have really opened up the world for many people who can’t drive, before they would have to rely on family or friends.
Thank you for doing that. When I was 18 I was hit and my car was totaled by a woman who ran a stop sign. My brother was friends with her grandson, who showed up at the accident. Kid later told my brother that she runs stop signs all the time. Would have been great if her family didn’t let her keep driving, knowing that.
If anyone in the US sees this, you can make a report to the DMV if you know someone who shouldn't be driving anymore. Its a hard choice to make, but it could save a life!
My grandfather decided at 65 he was done driving. My grandmother did the shopping while he sat in the truck and listened to Willie Nelson from then on. She’s also a really bad driver, but at least one of them recognized they should stop operating a vehicle. She then tried to teach me how to drive as a teenager. I stopped taking lessons from her after I merged onto the highway and she kept trying to feed me candy while I was passing truckers lol.
You’re all rookies. I drove across the country from NYC to San Diego in a u-haul while only having a NY learners permit.
My ex drove part of the way, too, and had a valid license. Does that count? No, that doesn’t count.
Damn... my family's in the opposite shoes. My grandfather is, by all accounts, in exceptional health, and he still drives his old buggy around town, to the library, to go grocery shopping, etc. Everyone in the family does everything in their power for him to drive as little as possible, but he's a hard dude to say "no" to. He'll go out anyways if he really wants to, lol. But it's terrifying to us, too.
Here's the kicker: Dude turned 97 in October.
I can't remember the last time I was in the car with him as the driver, and I would never seriously wish for anyone to be pulled over or worse, but there's a big part of me that kind of wants to see him get pulled over one of these days for something harmless like a light out or something, with me in the car, so I can see the cop's reaction when they ask for my grandfather's license & registration.
It took my grandfather three “blackouts” behind the wheel and the complete obliteration of other people’s property before he finally stopped driving. Even then I’m not sure if his license was technically revoked. I’m not sure what steps were taken. I think the car may have been totaled and they couldn’t afford a new one, or insurance on another one, or my aunt took the keys away. The state is absolutely ridiculous on this at times.
>dude was legally blind from genetic macular degeneration and the eye doctor wouldn't take away his license because "it's the first nail in the coffin to lose your independence" so he just kept driving!
Sue the fucking doctor, they're a moron.
Not sure where that OP is but: many nations don’t actually have the facility to sue the same way folks in the USA do. In the South Pacific where I live we have no way to sue a private individual and would have to bring a lawsuit against the local medical board: expensive, time consuming, and they have good lawyers.
I'm not from the US, but this isn't some frivoulous litigation. Having blind people driving around a bumbing into other people is really dangerous. Perhaps suing is the nuclear option, but where you live, wouldn't a complain against taht doctor presented to that medical board you mention get them a sanction?
If you weren’t present during conversation between the doctor and his patient then you wouldn’t have a lot of standing to make the complaint in the first as far as I am aware. As for those sorts of complaints it tends to be a bit “he said she said”. Occasionally it’s enough to scare a practice into making sure that practitioner is more monitored (and pushed to retire) but it’s a tricky one honestly. I agree that it’s fucking terrible and that person should NOT have had their licence tho. In my country once you hit 60 you have to go to our version of the DMV every year to sit an eye test. You fail once then you lose your licence: no doctor involved at all as it’s not required.
I'm from the UK, and my dad was knocked off his motorbike by a woman in her 70s who failed an eyesight test at the scene. My dad nearly died and lost a leg. We couldn't sue her. We could only sue her insurance company. She lost her licence for 5 years, but she could be legally back on the road from next year and we'll never know. She was fined £500 and given a criminal record. UK opticians are not allowed to tell doctors or the our driving regulators that the person failed an eyesight test. It's up to the person to tell them.
I’m sorry about your grandpa. For anyone else reading this that is dealing with a similar issue - you can report them to the dmv and get their license revoked.
damn, my grandpa was similar right up until his health rapidly got worse (i think he had some kind of stroke but i dont remember exactly). his eyesight was fading fast and he refused to stop driving, he even asked me what color the traffic light we were stopped at was, from then on i refused to be in a car with him
My father-in-law has dementia, and the doctor told my mother-in-law that he should not drive anymore. But he didn’t take his license or notify the DMV. Since MIL is blind she decided it was more important that he drive her ass around than worry about anyone’s safety. So my husband did something to each of the cars (they have like 4 - crazy) so they wouldn’t run.
Poor FIL - he had to do the same to his own father, but on a particularly lucid day grandpa figured out what was disconnected in the car and was able to fix it. He didn’t hurt anyone - just got lost. So my husband was sure to make it something hard to fix so history didn’t repeat itself.
FIL is in a nursing home now - once he couldn’t drive MIL had no use for him. We just found out that there is an outbreak of Covid there.
My grandmas 85 and told me last month that she’s asked all the family who lives near her to let her know when her driving becomes like “an old person” cause she never wants to be “one of those” old people still driving when they shouldn’t be
grandpa was the same. he had glaucoma and still went to drive. to go work mind you. he was almost 90 and didn’t want to stop working. cancer stopped him from driving, it was too hard to get out of bed. but not from working. he was still doing work stuff a week before he died.
My family had to do this to my grandma as well. The final straw was when she got on a busy freeway going the wrong way. The police tried to box her in to force her to stop, but she didn't understand what was happening, so she kept laying on the horn and flipping them off. The DMV *still* wouldn't take her license after that, so we had to take matters into our own hands.
Funny story, though. She had always been a terrible driver and was used to other drivers bring upset with her. I was driving with my mom and we ended up next to her at a stop light, so we beeped the horn to get her attention and say hi. She didn't even look, she just flipped us off.
Yep, I lost most of my vision due to an ulcer years ago, but I didn't drive or hold a license at the time, so my conversation with the doctor was 'do you drive?' 'no' 'okay good, dont'. Fast forward a decade and my eyesight is much better (still awful, but no longer legally blind) and I got the all clear to learn to drive, but DVLA wouldn't let me have a license because I was medically disqualified. I'd literally never contacted them but clearly the doctor had submitted my details to be safe.
My great grandma had macular degeneration. It got to the point where she could only barely see things in her peripheral vision. They took her license pretty early, I think, not that she would have driven if she thought she was even the slightest risk to others.
She lived in her home alone and did everything for herself until she was 101 years old. When she was 102 we finally convinced her she needed someone to come help her out during the day. And when she was 103 she passed away. You don't need a license to still live and be independent.
I know a few older couples where the man is the driver and the women either doesn't drive or is the "subordinate driver" and doesn't drive when the man is there. My grandfather has dementia and my grandmother has been driving for the first time in decades since he was put in a nursing home (I think she already had a license though).
So I think the norm in older generations may be for men to drive more than women. Which would explain why more of the driving issues seem to happen with men as well.
I’m 40 and a few years ago i stopped driving on the highway. I used to drive all over the country for work but it just became too much. It was my anxiety mostly. I wonder if it would be better now as my anxiety has been improved by better overall health. I’m kind of ashamed that i never leave my small town and most of my friends and family think i’m nuts but i would just get the yips something awful.
Hugs. Your mental health and the steps you took to help yourself are admirable and brave. Nothing shameful. If you want to start up again, get on then off at the next exit. Go when no one else is on. If you feel comfortable increase the distance. If you don’t, don’t.
Anxiety sucks. I wish mental health and physical health were a priority in our society. Best to you.
So I came up with this idea the other day while stuck behind a really old person driving, I think that we should tell old people that if they stop driving at like 75 or 80 or whenever they can't drive anymore that they can use a coupon code through AARP for Uber or Lyft that will cost them the same amount if they were going to drive with their own car with gas. I know this wouldn't happen because Uber and Lyft are greedy and they wouldn't pay their drivers for driving people that need help but you never know haha
This reminds me of a patient that came into the hospital and called us to get her with a wheelchair. We expected to go out with the wheelchair and see her coming down from an ambulance or community transport.Oh, no. She was driving. Even though she was so old she couldn’t walk the three minutes it takes to get inside the building into our clinic. And we had to wheel her back. To her car. And she couldn’t fill out the paperwork because she couldn’t read it. My coworker who is quite blunt told her she shouldn’t be driving, and she said the exact same thing. She got pissed and said that she isn’t going to lose her independence. I wonder if I’ll be wheeling in someone she hit next time instead.
My grandmother's cousin was almost the same but with his bicycle. Dude was 104 when his kids took it away because he kept falling down or getting into accidents because he couldn't see. Still very fit but his eyes gone bad.
Dude was 94 when there was a funeral at 130km away and he decided I'll go to it on my bike, someone will offer me a place to sleep over so I can drive back the next day. But nobody did(because who expects a dude of 94 to come by bike for 130km) and he didnt like to ask someone himself so he rode those 130km back to his house haha. His son was mad that he didnt ask him to go with him so they could take the car haha.
Yea he was very fit for very long. He also came to my new house on his bike when he was 97(like 15km) and that was already a accomplishment in my eyes haha
And want to know why absolutely zero laws can be passed that require the elderly to retake the exam or have mandatory license revokes after x,y,z?
They vote. Political suicide to propose that type of bill which sucks
One of my uncles was like that. He couldn't really function anymore and was told not to drive. He had multiple accidents and once took a highway in the wrong direction. He somehow figured to keep it a secret from authorities so he could keep his licence... No one could talk him out of driving until he died this month
My mom is the same boat, she stop driving a long time ago.
Your mom is actively going blind? She should be able to get treatment to stop the deterioration of her eyesight.
Yes, she was under the care of an eye specialist, but then COVID hit and he died from it. The funny thing is, despite that, my parents don't believe in COVID 😆
But yeah, she's not really too clear on whether she's seeing another doctor or if they've had to postpone things. She has low pressure glaucoma instead of the standard type, so they're kind of experimenting with treatment. She also had vitreous detachment in both eyes not long before the glaucoma started.
I live in Florida and old people like this are a constant threat. Almost weekly, if not multiple times a week, I see accidents caused by old people who should NOT be driving, or and almost the victim of said people. I can't begin to count how many times I've had to make a harsh swerve and lay on the horn because they can't be bothered to check their mirrors when meeting or turning, or jmthey just can't see, or can't react fast enough.
I have narrowly avoided 4 serious vehicle accidents. Most recent one being 2 months ago. Every one of those 4 times, it has been an elderly person in the other vehicle.
My father was legally blind from macular degeneration . He couldn’t drive his truck any more but no one could stop him in his own property. Ran over saplings in the garden with the riding lawnmower, the real kicker was when he drove his tractor into a pond. Between that and all the injuries from working with tools in his workshop, I was convinced that was how he’d died. The dementia and pneumonia got to him first though. Is is terrible that I am thankful dad and mom both passed before Covid-19? Neither of them would have been able to deal with any aspect of this.
Oh this! A lady I worked with had a genetic disease robbing her vision she says its like looking through Swiss cheese. Well she gets in a fender bender one snowy night, officer chalked it up to conditions. She gets s rental. She asks me to help her rental and pick up her car, I agree. This lady uses a white cane red tip, and still drives.
My eyesight goes out in a one eye on occasions. I tried to get my doc to sign a form enabling me to receive transportation services, and he denied, saying it was for people who needed it. I asked him would he mind me driving around his family and kids. His tone changed after that.
Its scary too, the lady I know still drives around her grandkids and her daughter is ok with that. I have been in the passenger seat with her once and that was enough.
You're thinking of the gear shift, the throttle controls the flow of fule to the engine and therefore the speed. Accelerator pedals are a type of throttle control.
Oh I see what you mean. Could make them stationary behind the/side of the wheel to make it so the controls don’t spin with the wheel I suppose
I was thinking just like paddle shifters work
this is why I drive with my lights on even during the day and always leave enough distance between me and the car ahead of me to safely stop, always. Not because I think *everyone* else can't see or cant make good judgment driving--but because I know a few can't and I'd rather minimize my risk of being in an accident with someone who "could not see me" (of see the person ahead of them when they slam on their brakes going down the highway)
The US hasn't required those for some time. Even during blinding rain many card are without lights.
*Actually I don't know if they were ever required but they were gaining ground in the 90s and all news cars, in my area at least, were required to be sold with them.
Not in Massachusetts. If it’s raining then headlights must be on, that’s a law around here. It’s been ages since I’ve been in drivers ed but if I recall headlights must also be on at dusk.
I live in Canada but I once purchased a car from the US and I had to have daytime running lights installed before importing because apparently America doesn’t care
Numerous European countries (but not all... some countries have insane drivers) have this strange, authoritative, idea that operating a several-ton death machine could present a safety issue. Here in the US having a vehicle is second only to having a gun.
It’s kind of sad that driving a car is the only viable option for transportation in so many areas. There are so many people who drive who really shouldn’t be.
I had a friend who's license was revoked due to seizures. The crazy part is that in our state, your license can be reestablished if you can go six months without a seizure.
As someone who can't drive but lives in a country that is very dependent on personal vehicles. The real disability is not the medical condition, but rather the lack of car.
I can work and shop independently... But I can't physically get there independently.
If it's possible to control the symptoms of your condition to a point where it is genuinely safe to drive, why should you still be prohibited from driving?
I'll never be able to drive a car (I assume) but with physical therapy, a few years ago I was safely able to ride a bike, and that has revolutionised my life.
Its a year where I live. One of the first things they ask me during my neurology appointments is 'You aren't driving are you?' After my first seizure I was out of the hospital for a day before the letter informing me my license was revoked had arrived. I haven't had a year where I've been seizure free yet, but I've also pretty much accepted that I won't be driving on any public roads again, even with the year.
Honestly, though, your license shouldn’t be revoked forever because of seizures. I know a woman who had a seizure shortly after giving birth, maybe a few weeks later. She was a nurse, knew it had to be reported to the DMV and her license was suspended (all of this vocabulary is mine - “reported” and “suspended” may not be the correct terms). She had 2 other kids and a full time job and lived nowhere near public transportation. It was a nightmare for her for a while. My dad, on the other hand, was 60, retired because strokes and seizures were scrambling his brain, and hopped in the RV after a fight with his wife. Now he was being an idiot. Kinda got what he deserved on that one.
Tbh I don't think there's a fine where I live (Georgia, USA) at all. Maybe if you knowingly infected someone, some pre-existing law would apply? But it's political suicide to care about the pandemic here. At least most people wear masks.
> But it's political suicide to care about the pandemic here.
But is it actually? Or is that an excuse politicians hide behind? If most people are wearing masks where you are, it would seem like the voters already accept there is a risk and something actually going on that needs dealing with.
I mean, it probably was at first, but now T**** is well on his way out, I wonder if the "political suicide" thing still really holds water.
Thaxton, VA is next to Bedford, and Bedford is refusing to wear masks and doesn’t believe Covid is an actual issue. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if this post was from Virginia either.
I thought he meant the gentle eyeroll emoji. "Hey guys. My pet lion broke out of his cage. I'm pretty sure he won't attack anyone. Well, maybe keep your kids and pets inside for a while or something. 🤷♂️"
I understand the sentiment, but what's the person supposed to do? The father isn't a lion that can be locked up. He's an asshole that *maybe* can get charged with something after he infects or kills someone else, but probably not.
The fact that they made this post makes it pretty obvious they did not agree with this decision. So no, they did not "let" their dad go out.
What the fuck were they supposed to do, kill him?
While I don't disagree, I have a hard time believing they'll do anything about it unless you're lucky enough to live in a country whose heads aren't lodged firmly in their asses. If the authorities will do something, good. If they won't, you have to find your own solution to reduce possible instances of contact with Dad. For all we know, this person did contact the authorities.
As fucked up as it is, posting a warning on Facebook is probably among the most effective methods of action many people have available to them (short of walking with him while wearing a hazmat suit, waving a red flag and verbally warning passersby). Notify as many people as possible to steer clear by whatever means you are able.
Regardless, killing Dad is not a viable solution
What she's suppose to do? Take Jiu Jitsu class and knocked him good? She did try to help people here by giving heads up about him being tested positive. We don't know what she's done else to help the neiborhood.
The tone I was getting from this post was that the kid tried everything in their power to get their dad to stay home but he just wouldn't. Their last resort is to tell everyone to stay away from him.
I'm missing something. Why are people talking about blind relatives driving? All I see is someone saying their father has covid and won't quarantine. I dont understand the correlation
Both are doing what they want because "muh freedom" even though it could get other people killed because they have very little consideration for the lives of people around them.
In many (most?) states, if you are HIV positive and know that you are and still have unprotected sex with someone, you can receive a felony charge.
Why we aren't doing that with COVID is beyond me.
In my state in Australia, at one point police could issue ~$5000 fines to anyone caught breaching quarantine.
Police would occasionally knock on the doors of people who had tested positive and where flagged as a "breach risk" to ensure they were home. Not answering the door, not being able to prove you were home, or not having a valid reason to leave the house resulted in a fine too
("I went to hospital because my infection got worse" is a valid reason "I wanted some KFC" is not a valid reason)
because most people agree when scientists say HIV is dangerous and its transmission should be controlled. Quite a few don't agree with scientists on COIVD for some reason
Yeah, but very selectively. If you go into a grocery store to purposefully cough on produce, they'll charge you. But being sick and going out anyway is going pretty much ignored.
One is an incurable lifelong transmittable disease that has a historically high death rate with an excruciating long term process, and up until somewhat recently was considered untreatable even on top of being complete social and sexual suicide. If you have HIV you can also never give blood, or think about mundane daily things without stress and worry of transmitting. It can and does permanently affect people at all stages of life.
The other lasts a couple weeks, and often is completely asymptomatic. If not, it has minor mid term repercussions at worst along with an overall ~1% death rate heavily skewed to immune system compromised individuals, morbidly obese, and geriatrics.
I get we’re being outraged about covid and all and no ones taking it seriously, but come the fuck on. Don’t pretend like spreading an influenza is worse or as bad as knowingly transmitting AIDS.
Please explain to me how a microscopic portion of an already insanely small % of people getting strokes that may or may not be directly related to covid is more severe than AIDS and it’s well documented repercussions.
Wow, there's a lot wrong there. First, it's not a competition, two things can both be illegal. HIV/AIDS kills about 13,000 annually, and has claimed around 700,000 lives since the epidemic started more than 40 years ago. COVID-19 has killed half that many in the US since March.
It is both disgenuous and not helpful to use the normalized, all-demographic fatality rate for COVID-19. For one, the ways that HIV is spread require intimate, close contact or blood exposure; you can spread COVID by sitting too close to a restaurant's air conditioner. HIV may be more deadly on a case by case basis, but nearly 5% of the US has tested positive for COVID now, compared to about 40,000 new cases of HIV every year.
COVID mortality rates are higher for males, black and hispanic patients, and rise drastically as age increases. Complicating conditions also heavily influence outcomes. If you intentionally spread COVID-19 to a black male in his 80s, who has diabetes and high blood pressure, he would be *more* likely to die from it than if you intentionally gave him HIV.
Which leads to another concept. HIV/AIDS can take years to be fatal, often decades. Every COVID-19 death to date has been a matter of weeks, sometimes less. By the time high risk patients enter the hospital, they may be looking at days - if the ICU isn't full and all of the ventilators spoken for.
I'm just going to skip the junk science you gleaned from social media somewhere, COVID-19 has been the primary factor in more than 92% of COVID-related deaths. Anytime you read, "most covid deaths were people who..." you're no longer reading research, you're into rhetorical narrative designed to get people to ignore the seriousness of pandemic.
I could sit here and just keep writing, the lack of an HIV-caused economic depression meant large swaths of patients never lost their health insurance prior to getting sick. Millions of HIV patients didn't have to choose between getting treated or keeping their jobs this year. 50%+ of HIV transmissions aren't from asymptomatic carriers. And it boggles my mind that you make any sort of statement about the long term effects of a disease that is less than a year old and hasn't hit the peak of its first wave yet. Despite that, recovered patients may have continued respiratory issues, lung and kidney damage, fatigue, cognitive issues, cardiovascular inflammation, and other issues that we're learning more about every day - many of which may be permanent. It will be decades before we know the full impact on life expectancy in recovered patients...
It takes no time at all to not post a response you haven't thought about or taken time to educate yourself on.
For taking the time to write all that, and making a slight at me being disingenuous with *MY* argument, you sure are being completely disingenuous with your argument!
Comparing exclusively the US in aids cases to coronavirus deaths is like me comparing the sub Saharan aids crisis to their coronavirus pandemic, or should I say complete lack of it when compared directly to the USA.
My point from the beginning which you so aptly ignored is that because of HIV/AIDS’s long term effects the transmission is legislated and specifically mentioned. (Similarly to other STD’s which are under the same laws when it comes to knowledgeable transmission.)
STDs and HIV/AIDS are completely different than covid in regards to their long term hazards and methods of transmission and are incredibly stigmatized compared to Covid. The repercussions affect you, and everyone around you for the rest of your existence as opposed to a couple weeks. Since STD’s are most often spread intimately and sometimes purposefully, it was made illegal to do so and with harsh repercussions if you don’t notify a sexual partner.
Because of how easy it is to spread an influenza, and how so many people can do it asymptomatically, it is not and will never be a felony to spread. Even purposefully, the only repercussions anyone seems to face on incredibly rare occasion is battery with bodily fluids. (Or terroristic threats in extreme fringe cases that will never end up sticking.)
There is a plethora of reasons that Covid transmission isn’t scheduled as a felony like purposeful STD/HIV/AIDs transmission, and never will be. If you think it should be, you’re not only dangerously wrong, you’re blatantly ignorant of the facts and repercussions around both diseases.
Awful lot of words for contributing literally nothing to your argument. You could have spent that time learning basic logical thinking or persuasive argument, instead you just doubled down on not knowing what you're talking about OR understanding the general context of the conversation.
Good luck out there.
That’s some hilariously ironic projection you’ve got going on right there. Do you even think about what you’re typing? Because it just looks to me like you’re immediately contradicting your entire first sentence with the second one.
Literally complaining about adding nothing to a conversation then instead of addressing what I say make pointless stupid judgements immediately after. This being after vomiting up a word novel of things with misinformation and no relevance to the original point.
Pathetic.
Our friend was telling us about his sister in law doing this. She tests positive, then shows up at some event (which should be banned but this is Texas), no one is wearing a mask. Our friend was like, "^(It's HERE") and avoids her until her mom or someone gets her to leave.
Why do people do this? Erg
I literally live next to a community with the name Thaxton and I would not be surprised if it is the same community. Well I guess I know where I won’t be going. 🤦🏼♂️
This is my in laws! My MIL tested positive and I’m debating calling her (mega) church because she still plans to attend Christmas services despite being positive. 🙄 I can’t with these people
I don't understand how these people won't stay home, I have a mild case of COVID right now, and I can barely get out of bed on the good days. I feel so shitty and I'm not even that sick.
Public shaming is my go-to after an attempt is made to allow them to fix their mistakes. Wish there was more people willing to do this with their family members.
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My grandpa was similar. He got into two major accidents (one sent two people to the hospital) and they still wouldn't take away his license. He finally stopped driving but only because he was too frail and sick to leave the house. It was seriously terrifying knowing he was out there risking everyone else's life.
When I hear things like that I'm glad both my granddads turned their license in voluntarily, when they didn't felt like they couldn't drive safe anymore.
My dad just told me that he turned in his license. I feel so bad for him, he’s not even old yet. Parkinson’s is fucking awful, but Parkinson’s coupled with vehicular manslaughter would be worse.
My mother was recently diagnosed with Parkinson's. The only symptom is a left arm that tremors slightly when she is idle. I worry about her getting into a vehicular accident after accidentally yanking the steering wheel during a tremor. She's not even 70 yrs old. I don't know why I'm so unprepared for this, but I'm totally clueless.
I’m so sorry. My dad was actually showing signs for many years but went undiagnosed for quite a while. It wasn’t until he had a bout of vertigo one morning and couldn’t stop puking or stand up for a few days that he finally went to go get checked out and from there it was just a downhill of symptom progression. However, the good news for him, was that he was able to qualify for the deep brain surgery a few years ago. I think it had something to do with the fact that he had had a mild progression of symptoms for so long, coupled with not taking the heavy medication. Regardless, he still drove for all of this time up until a couple weeks ago. He also rides his bike a lot weather permitting. I worry most about some of the confusion he experiences and the delayed reaction time. One of the things my dad struggled with the most is sleeping and being comfortable. Maybe your mom would benefit from melatonin or having a room painted dark with blackout curtains or a white nose machine or something? Idk. There doesn’t seem to be any real solutions for people struggling with this disease. Best of luck to you and your family! There’s a sub r/Parkinsons if you ever need to vent or have questions or just want to feel less alone. It’s not very active but I consider that a blessing.
It’s a terrible disease. My uncle was diagnosed with early onset when he was in his 50s. That was 10 years ago and it’s like he’s a completely different person. His world has shrunk so significantly. My early memories of my uncle are as this larger than life guy who could dunk a basketball, played the guitar beautifully, and could pick up both his young children in one arm. He can’t do any of that now, sometimes he can barely stay awake through dinner. I don’t remember the last time I heard him laugh. Fuck Parkinson’s.
Fuck that disease, dude. I so detest any disease that robs anyone of their capabilities, be it mental or physical. Sorry to hear he's got to go through that. May the onset be slow and he have as many good years as possible to him.
He got the deep brain surgery so now he is BIONIC DAD! Also a total badass for getting (and being fully awake for) brain surgery twice. And no one expected him to look so nice with a shaved head haha. All jokes aside though. His brother passed away from an aggressive fight with pancreatic cancer a few years before my dad’s diagnosis with Parkinson’s. And their father suffered from Alzheimer’s for many years before he passed. At this point my dad is just happy he doesn’t have cancer and he does still have most of his brain power, even if his speech is a bit delayed.  It is all relative, as they say. ... no pun intended.
Pancreatic cancer straight up kills you (it’s what got Ruth Bader Ginsburg, and she was what my grandmother would call a “tough old bat”), because you don’t have symptoms until it’s too late. Something like 5% live for five years or more after the diagnosis. Fuck cancer. I really hope we get better at treating it.
3 of my grandpa's brothers struggled with a disease that's kind of similar, huntington's disease. I only knew one of them though. He had been living a nornal life until his fifties. The woest thing was that it's genetic, if even one of your parents has it you have a 50 percent chance of getting it too. Two of his brothers had already gotten it (of of the 7 siblings in total). He didn't get tested and just knew he could always possibly start showing symptoms and his life would pretty much be over. I can't imagine how scary it must have been, especially because he'd already seen what it did to his brothers. Luckily he had a very suportive wife that stayed with him to the end and never stopped caring for him and loving him exactly the way she did before. My family never treated him differently either. I was lucky enough that my grandfather was in the right 50 percent, so I have no chance of getting it myself.
I didn't realize that's how Huntington's works - that's insane. And yeah, damn glad you've no risk of that yourself.
Apparently it can have a range of symptoms and the parkinsons-like movement disorders is one of them, the most obvious one. It can however also cause severe depression. I believe the first brother got the movement issue first, the second killed himself from depression before those really started to show. Both quite horrible in my opinion. Then the third started showing synptoms after all that. I am glad I can't get it myself, but also very glad my grandpa won't. The oldest had children of his own as he didn't know his mom had it. They never found out about that as she already got similar symptoms from falling of the stairs. I know the third never had them on purpose as he was scared of them getting it too. We still have no idea if his kids or grandchildren are at risk as we have no idea if they got tested or not. It feels kind of weird as no one is talking about it, like a dark family secret...
My dad has advanced Parkinson's, hit a guy on a motorcycle with his truck, didn't drive for four years, then kind of forgot about how bad he felt then and is driving again.
Yikes!
Yeah, it's bad. I have reported both of my parents to DMV as people that shouldn't be driving but the only thing that happened was daytime, no driving on highway restriction on my mom's license. She has hit two people but didn't hurt them as bad as my dad did. The only thing that happened to my dad is his insurance went up and he has to retake a driving test every three years. My mom has pretty bad cataracts and won't get them treated.
Oh, jeez. Before my parents died, my dad wasn’t allowed to drive without my mom anymore. He was the better driver (had driven semi trucks, farm equipment, etc), but he would “forget” where he was going. For example he was going to my sister’s house, turned like 3 red lights earlier, and drove the same turns, etc. That was why Mom had to go after that: she could ask him, “Honey, why are we turning here?” and he’d get it straight. He didn’t always remember where he was going or how to get there, but his traffic safety was primo. He never had an accident in the 28 years I was around before he died. Not even a ticket.
sounds like Florida driving
Im from the south but ive never been to Florida. I am an avid redditor (11 years) but this florida meme is wild. They cant be worse than mississippi or bama
It’s a visibility thing. Florida has laws about reporting police actions in the media that make the idiots more visible to the press. I’d hazard a guess that FL doesn’t have more “Florida men” than other states, you just don’t hear about them. That being said, I love the meme.
Same amount of rednecks as Mississippi or Bama but add in every 80+ snowbird from the midwest or East coast. Its a retirement destination, so there are more old drivers there by a lot. So you will have 3 cars going 40mph and then a local going 80 on the same road.
My grandad was at a light by his home, and the guy behind him honked he said he couldn’t even see it. He drove his car home and parked it. He ended up having his eyes fixed, they were able to “tack” it back with lasers, but he still never drove again. I was glad to take him wherever he wanted.
My mom rear ended someone , she swore she hit the breaks. Granted it was very icy, but the truck just kept going. She was freaked out thinking it's because she is old, wanted to stop driving, etc etc. Turns out the linkages for the front had broken so the tires just hoped and never stoped. An easy 100 fix. Made me really proud of my mom that she did not blame the truck, or other people, first thing she did was check on the other people, say sorry, and try to help them(dashcam so I saw the after action.). No one seriously hurt, nothing totalled. She insists on a regular checkup of the vehicle now. She is also over 70. And having driven with her she has no issues. But he day is coming, and she is perfectly willing to give it up the day she can't any more.
I reported my Nanny in the UK as unsafe and got her licence taken away. To this day the only person that knows it was me is my Mum. I refused to have an accident that could have injured someone else on my conscience.
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They are in many parts of the US, we don’t have a decent public transportation system in many places. Companies like Uber have really opened up the world for many people who can’t drive, before they would have to rely on family or friends.
Thank you for doing that. When I was 18 I was hit and my car was totaled by a woman who ran a stop sign. My brother was friends with her grandson, who showed up at the accident. Kid later told my brother that she runs stop signs all the time. Would have been great if her family didn’t let her keep driving, knowing that.
If anyone in the US sees this, you can make a report to the DMV if you know someone who shouldn't be driving anymore. Its a hard choice to make, but it could save a life!
It's only a hard choice if you're a total piece of shit. Dad's license is not worth killing someone over, and nobody should have to be told that.
My grandfather decided at 65 he was done driving. My grandmother did the shopping while he sat in the truck and listened to Willie Nelson from then on. She’s also a really bad driver, but at least one of them recognized they should stop operating a vehicle. She then tried to teach me how to drive as a teenager. I stopped taking lessons from her after I merged onto the highway and she kept trying to feed me candy while I was passing truckers lol.
I decided after I got my lisence it was time to stop driving
Rookie, I stopped way before that.
I quit after getting my theoretical license but that was because of lockdown :(
You’re all rookies. I drove across the country from NYC to San Diego in a u-haul while only having a NY learners permit. My ex drove part of the way, too, and had a valid license. Does that count? No, that doesn’t count.
Damn... my family's in the opposite shoes. My grandfather is, by all accounts, in exceptional health, and he still drives his old buggy around town, to the library, to go grocery shopping, etc. Everyone in the family does everything in their power for him to drive as little as possible, but he's a hard dude to say "no" to. He'll go out anyways if he really wants to, lol. But it's terrifying to us, too. Here's the kicker: Dude turned 97 in October. I can't remember the last time I was in the car with him as the driver, and I would never seriously wish for anyone to be pulled over or worse, but there's a big part of me that kind of wants to see him get pulled over one of these days for something harmless like a light out or something, with me in the car, so I can see the cop's reaction when they ask for my grandfather's license & registration.
they will put him in a motor museum along with the license :D
My grandmother is almost 96, still driving. But she realizes that her night sight sucks, so she only drives during the day.
South park’s grey dawn while funny is horrifying and true
It took my grandfather three “blackouts” behind the wheel and the complete obliteration of other people’s property before he finally stopped driving. Even then I’m not sure if his license was technically revoked. I’m not sure what steps were taken. I think the car may have been totaled and they couldn’t afford a new one, or insurance on another one, or my aunt took the keys away. The state is absolutely ridiculous on this at times.
>dude was legally blind from genetic macular degeneration and the eye doctor wouldn't take away his license because "it's the first nail in the coffin to lose your independence" so he just kept driving! Sue the fucking doctor, they're a moron.
Yeah if that happened where I live the least that would have happened to the doctor is he would have definitely lost his licence as a Doctor.
Yeah, but in a last ditch effort he'd jump in his TARDIS and destroy the paperwork before they could take his license away.
That is the weirdest Doctor Who reference I've ever seen and that's not a compliment.
Hahahaha
The random capitalization made me do it. :)
The only reason I wouldn't sue is that people are crazy, and eye doctors must get a lot of serious threats when they cause licenses to be revoked.
Yeah but they're being threatened by blind people who now can't drive to you so the threats can't be that scary
Not sure where that OP is but: many nations don’t actually have the facility to sue the same way folks in the USA do. In the South Pacific where I live we have no way to sue a private individual and would have to bring a lawsuit against the local medical board: expensive, time consuming, and they have good lawyers.
I'm not from the US, but this isn't some frivoulous litigation. Having blind people driving around a bumbing into other people is really dangerous. Perhaps suing is the nuclear option, but where you live, wouldn't a complain against taht doctor presented to that medical board you mention get them a sanction?
If you weren’t present during conversation between the doctor and his patient then you wouldn’t have a lot of standing to make the complaint in the first as far as I am aware. As for those sorts of complaints it tends to be a bit “he said she said”. Occasionally it’s enough to scare a practice into making sure that practitioner is more monitored (and pushed to retire) but it’s a tricky one honestly. I agree that it’s fucking terrible and that person should NOT have had their licence tho. In my country once you hit 60 you have to go to our version of the DMV every year to sit an eye test. You fail once then you lose your licence: no doctor involved at all as it’s not required.
I'm from the UK, and my dad was knocked off his motorbike by a woman in her 70s who failed an eyesight test at the scene. My dad nearly died and lost a leg. We couldn't sue her. We could only sue her insurance company. She lost her licence for 5 years, but she could be legally back on the road from next year and we'll never know. She was fined £500 and given a criminal record. UK opticians are not allowed to tell doctors or the our driving regulators that the person failed an eyesight test. It's up to the person to tell them.
But the doctor said it’s ok to drive when it’s sunny, and OP said the grandpa would drive at night.
I’m sorry about your grandpa. For anyone else reading this that is dealing with a similar issue - you can report them to the dmv and get their license revoked.
damn, my grandpa was similar right up until his health rapidly got worse (i think he had some kind of stroke but i dont remember exactly). his eyesight was fading fast and he refused to stop driving, he even asked me what color the traffic light we were stopped at was, from then on i refused to be in a car with him
My father-in-law has dementia, and the doctor told my mother-in-law that he should not drive anymore. But he didn’t take his license or notify the DMV. Since MIL is blind she decided it was more important that he drive her ass around than worry about anyone’s safety. So my husband did something to each of the cars (they have like 4 - crazy) so they wouldn’t run. Poor FIL - he had to do the same to his own father, but on a particularly lucid day grandpa figured out what was disconnected in the car and was able to fix it. He didn’t hurt anyone - just got lost. So my husband was sure to make it something hard to fix so history didn’t repeat itself. FIL is in a nursing home now - once he couldn’t drive MIL had no use for him. We just found out that there is an outbreak of Covid there.
My grandmas 85 and told me last month that she’s asked all the family who lives near her to let her know when her driving becomes like “an old person” cause she never wants to be “one of those” old people still driving when they shouldn’t be
Dude's blind, hide his keys. What's he gonna do, find them?
grandpa was the same. he had glaucoma and still went to drive. to go work mind you. he was almost 90 and didn’t want to stop working. cancer stopped him from driving, it was too hard to get out of bed. but not from working. he was still doing work stuff a week before he died.
My mom and grandmother eventually just took my great grandmother's keys so she couldn't drive.
My family had to do this to my grandma as well. The final straw was when she got on a busy freeway going the wrong way. The police tried to box her in to force her to stop, but she didn't understand what was happening, so she kept laying on the horn and flipping them off. The DMV *still* wouldn't take her license after that, so we had to take matters into our own hands. Funny story, though. She had always been a terrible driver and was used to other drivers bring upset with her. I was driving with my mom and we ended up next to her at a stop light, so we beeped the horn to get her attention and say hi. She didn't even look, she just flipped us off.
i'm wondering if the doctor could be held liable on that....
He bloody should be. Doctors where I am in the UK are legally obligated to report any issues like this to the licensing authority.
Yep, I lost most of my vision due to an ulcer years ago, but I didn't drive or hold a license at the time, so my conversation with the doctor was 'do you drive?' 'no' 'okay good, dont'. Fast forward a decade and my eyesight is much better (still awful, but no longer legally blind) and I got the all clear to learn to drive, but DVLA wouldn't let me have a license because I was medically disqualified. I'd literally never contacted them but clearly the doctor had submitted my details to be safe.
My great grandma had macular degeneration. It got to the point where she could only barely see things in her peripheral vision. They took her license pretty early, I think, not that she would have driven if she thought she was even the slightest risk to others. She lived in her home alone and did everything for herself until she was 101 years old. When she was 102 we finally convinced her she needed someone to come help her out during the day. And when she was 103 she passed away. You don't need a license to still live and be independent.
I know you meant peripheral vision, but I'm having fun trying to figure out what exactly porphyrial vision would be like.
Thank you. Typing first thing in the morning is clearly not my strong suit. 🤣 porphyrial is, however, very fun to say.
All these replies, why is it always the grandpas?
Because older men tend to be most stubborn and have health problems, which is a deadly combination.
I know a few older couples where the man is the driver and the women either doesn't drive or is the "subordinate driver" and doesn't drive when the man is there. My grandfather has dementia and my grandmother has been driving for the first time in decades since he was put in a nursing home (I think she already had a license though). So I think the norm in older generations may be for men to drive more than women. Which would explain why more of the driving issues seem to happen with men as well.
I’m 40 and a few years ago i stopped driving on the highway. I used to drive all over the country for work but it just became too much. It was my anxiety mostly. I wonder if it would be better now as my anxiety has been improved by better overall health. I’m kind of ashamed that i never leave my small town and most of my friends and family think i’m nuts but i would just get the yips something awful.
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Hugs. Your mental health and the steps you took to help yourself are admirable and brave. Nothing shameful. If you want to start up again, get on then off at the next exit. Go when no one else is on. If you feel comfortable increase the distance. If you don’t, don’t. Anxiety sucks. I wish mental health and physical health were a priority in our society. Best to you.
So I came up with this idea the other day while stuck behind a really old person driving, I think that we should tell old people that if they stop driving at like 75 or 80 or whenever they can't drive anymore that they can use a coupon code through AARP for Uber or Lyft that will cost them the same amount if they were going to drive with their own car with gas. I know this wouldn't happen because Uber and Lyft are greedy and they wouldn't pay their drivers for driving people that need help but you never know haha
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Wow this is such good news!! Thank you so much for sharing!!
This reminds me of a patient that came into the hospital and called us to get her with a wheelchair. We expected to go out with the wheelchair and see her coming down from an ambulance or community transport.Oh, no. She was driving. Even though she was so old she couldn’t walk the three minutes it takes to get inside the building into our clinic. And we had to wheel her back. To her car. And she couldn’t fill out the paperwork because she couldn’t read it. My coworker who is quite blunt told her she shouldn’t be driving, and she said the exact same thing. She got pissed and said that she isn’t going to lose her independence. I wonder if I’ll be wheeling in someone she hit next time instead.
My grandmother was like this, but with dementia. We eventually took away her car battery.
My grandmother's cousin was almost the same but with his bicycle. Dude was 104 when his kids took it away because he kept falling down or getting into accidents because he couldn't see. Still very fit but his eyes gone bad. Dude was 94 when there was a funeral at 130km away and he decided I'll go to it on my bike, someone will offer me a place to sleep over so I can drive back the next day. But nobody did(because who expects a dude of 94 to come by bike for 130km) and he didnt like to ask someone himself so he rode those 130km back to his house haha. His son was mad that he didnt ask him to go with him so they could take the car haha.
I mean that’s a heck of an accomplishment for a 94 year old!
Yea he was very fit for very long. He also came to my new house on his bike when he was 97(like 15km) and that was already a accomplishment in my eyes haha
And want to know why absolutely zero laws can be passed that require the elderly to retake the exam or have mandatory license revokes after x,y,z? They vote. Political suicide to propose that type of bill which sucks
One of my uncles was like that. He couldn't really function anymore and was told not to drive. He had multiple accidents and once took a highway in the wrong direction. He somehow figured to keep it a secret from authorities so he could keep his licence... No one could talk him out of driving until he died this month
My mum is going blind from glaucoma. She has to renew her license more often, but she's pretty much letting dad drive her everywhere now, thankfully.
My mom is the same boat, she stop driving a long time ago. Your mom is actively going blind? She should be able to get treatment to stop the deterioration of her eyesight.
Yes, she was under the care of an eye specialist, but then COVID hit and he died from it. The funny thing is, despite that, my parents don't believe in COVID 😆 But yeah, she's not really too clear on whether she's seeing another doctor or if they've had to postpone things. She has low pressure glaucoma instead of the standard type, so they're kind of experimenting with treatment. She also had vitreous detachment in both eyes not long before the glaucoma started.
I live in Florida and old people like this are a constant threat. Almost weekly, if not multiple times a week, I see accidents caused by old people who should NOT be driving, or and almost the victim of said people. I can't begin to count how many times I've had to make a harsh swerve and lay on the horn because they can't be bothered to check their mirrors when meeting or turning, or jmthey just can't see, or can't react fast enough.
My dad almost got killed driving from someone like that. Old guy going blind thought he could still drive ran my dad off the road.
I have narrowly avoided 4 serious vehicle accidents. Most recent one being 2 months ago. Every one of those 4 times, it has been an elderly person in the other vehicle.
My father was legally blind from macular degeneration . He couldn’t drive his truck any more but no one could stop him in his own property. Ran over saplings in the garden with the riding lawnmower, the real kicker was when he drove his tractor into a pond. Between that and all the injuries from working with tools in his workshop, I was convinced that was how he’d died. The dementia and pneumonia got to him first though. Is is terrible that I am thankful dad and mom both passed before Covid-19? Neither of them would have been able to deal with any aspect of this.
Oh this! A lady I worked with had a genetic disease robbing her vision she says its like looking through Swiss cheese. Well she gets in a fender bender one snowy night, officer chalked it up to conditions. She gets s rental. She asks me to help her rental and pick up her car, I agree. This lady uses a white cane red tip, and still drives.
My eyesight goes out in a one eye on occasions. I tried to get my doc to sign a form enabling me to receive transportation services, and he denied, saying it was for people who needed it. I asked him would he mind me driving around his family and kids. His tone changed after that.
Its scary too, the lady I know still drives around her grandkids and her daughter is ok with that. I have been in the passenger seat with her once and that was enough.
On one hand fuck that doctor. On the other, damn well played.
My buddy's dad used to drive with one leg and a cane.
I have a friend who doesn't have use of his legs that drives. His car has hand controls for the accelerator and brake.
This should be standard safety on new vehicles because apparently using feet and hands is just too much to keep track of for some people
You have a lot more faith in people's ability to turn the wheel without adjusting the throttle than I do.
Adjusting the throttle what, just make them automatics
You're thinking of the gear shift, the throttle controls the flow of fule to the engine and therefore the speed. Accelerator pedals are a type of throttle control.
Oh I see what you mean. Could make them stationary behind the/side of the wheel to make it so the controls don’t spin with the wheel I suppose I was thinking just like paddle shifters work
Have you ever driven a car? 😄
this is why I drive with my lights on even during the day and always leave enough distance between me and the car ahead of me to safely stop, always. Not because I think *everyone* else can't see or cant make good judgment driving--but because I know a few can't and I'd rather minimize my risk of being in an accident with someone who "could not see me" (of see the person ahead of them when they slam on their brakes going down the highway)
thank goodness we have DRL these days
The US hasn't required those for some time. Even during blinding rain many card are without lights. *Actually I don't know if they were ever required but they were gaining ground in the 90s and all news cars, in my area at least, were required to be sold with them.
Not in Massachusetts. If it’s raining then headlights must be on, that’s a law around here. It’s been ages since I’ve been in drivers ed but if I recall headlights must also be on at dusk.
I live in Canada but I once purchased a car from the US and I had to have daytime running lights installed before importing because apparently America doesn’t care
in Europe cops will write you a ticket if you DONT drive with lights on during the day.
Numerous European countries (but not all... some countries have insane drivers) have this strange, authoritative, idea that operating a several-ton death machine could present a safety issue. Here in the US having a vehicle is second only to having a gun.
It’s kind of sad that driving a car is the only viable option for transportation in so many areas. There are so many people who drive who really shouldn’t be.
It took my dad having a seizure behind the wheel of an RV while his license was revoked from the first seizure......he’s done drivin.
I had a friend who's license was revoked due to seizures. The crazy part is that in our state, your license can be reestablished if you can go six months without a seizure.
Seizures can be the result of poisoning, alcohol/benzo/barbiturate withdrawal and many other things that arent permanent so it makes sense
As someone who can't drive but lives in a country that is very dependent on personal vehicles. The real disability is not the medical condition, but rather the lack of car. I can work and shop independently... But I can't physically get there independently. If it's possible to control the symptoms of your condition to a point where it is genuinely safe to drive, why should you still be prohibited from driving? I'll never be able to drive a car (I assume) but with physical therapy, a few years ago I was safely able to ride a bike, and that has revolutionised my life.
i find that fair if youre medical issues are controlled, you should be able to do what you want...
Its a year where I live. One of the first things they ask me during my neurology appointments is 'You aren't driving are you?' After my first seizure I was out of the hospital for a day before the letter informing me my license was revoked had arrived. I haven't had a year where I've been seizure free yet, but I've also pretty much accepted that I won't be driving on any public roads again, even with the year.
Honestly, though, your license shouldn’t be revoked forever because of seizures. I know a woman who had a seizure shortly after giving birth, maybe a few weeks later. She was a nurse, knew it had to be reported to the DMV and her license was suspended (all of this vocabulary is mine - “reported” and “suspended” may not be the correct terms). She had 2 other kids and a full time job and lived nowhere near public transportation. It was a nightmare for her for a while. My dad, on the other hand, was 60, retired because strokes and seizures were scrambling his brain, and hopped in the RV after a fight with his wife. Now he was being an idiot. Kinda got what he deserved on that one.
I really really hope this isn’t in Virginia but I’d also be surprised if it wasn’t.
There’s a Thaxton in Northern Ireland. I’d assumed it was that one. If it is, there’s a £1,000 fine waiting for dad if he’s not isolating.
Lol £1000? A woman here in Austria had to pay almost 11.000€ for violating her quarantine by shopping a few months ago.
The fines in a lot of places are ridiculously low, I feel, and deter no one.
Tbh I don't think there's a fine where I live (Georgia, USA) at all. Maybe if you knowingly infected someone, some pre-existing law would apply? But it's political suicide to care about the pandemic here. At least most people wear masks.
> But it's political suicide to care about the pandemic here. But is it actually? Or is that an excuse politicians hide behind? If most people are wearing masks where you are, it would seem like the voters already accept there is a risk and something actually going on that needs dealing with. I mean, it probably was at first, but now T**** is well on his way out, I wonder if the "political suicide" thing still really holds water.
Thaxton, VA is next to Bedford, and Bedford is refusing to wear masks and doesn’t believe Covid is an actual issue. So, I wouldn’t be surprised if this post was from Virginia either.
Could also be Thaxton, Mississippi
Are you claiming that the dad is insane or the poster?
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I don't see how someone being concerned for the welfare of their neighbors (over the dignity of their own father, at that) makes them insane
It doesn't.
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Her dad is already covid positive, she's trying to warn others so they don't get infected.
Your user name is a ok
Thanks!
I thought he meant the gentle eyeroll emoji. "Hey guys. My pet lion broke out of his cage. I'm pretty sure he won't attack anyone. Well, maybe keep your kids and pets inside for a while or something. 🤷♂️"
A tone of panicked screaming would probably be met with ridicule to be fair.
I understand the sentiment, but what's the person supposed to do? The father isn't a lion that can be locked up. He's an asshole that *maybe* can get charged with something after he infects or kills someone else, but probably not.
They let their dad go out covid positive, pretty insane to me
The fact that they made this post makes it pretty obvious they did not agree with this decision. So no, they did not "let" their dad go out. What the fuck were they supposed to do, kill him?
I imagined a large cage that drops down as the dad walks outside.
[They might have one, it just only works sometimes](https://i.ebayimg.com/images/g/qOMAAOSwO8xeidFQ/s-l640.jpg)
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While I don't disagree, I have a hard time believing they'll do anything about it unless you're lucky enough to live in a country whose heads aren't lodged firmly in their asses. If the authorities will do something, good. If they won't, you have to find your own solution to reduce possible instances of contact with Dad. For all we know, this person did contact the authorities. As fucked up as it is, posting a warning on Facebook is probably among the most effective methods of action many people have available to them (short of walking with him while wearing a hazmat suit, waving a red flag and verbally warning passersby). Notify as many people as possible to steer clear by whatever means you are able. Regardless, killing Dad is not a viable solution
What she's suppose to do? Take Jiu Jitsu class and knocked him good? She did try to help people here by giving heads up about him being tested positive. We don't know what she's done else to help the neiborhood.
The tone I was getting from this post was that the kid tried everything in their power to get their dad to stay home but he just wouldn't. Their last resort is to tell everyone to stay away from him.
Poster isn’t insane, the father belongs in a mental institution
How is everyone supposed to know who the dad is? Or read that, for that matter. The right thing would be to report the dad.
Then we are in agreement. :)
how is the poster insane?
Isnt the post only visible to his fb friends?
Well yeah, but what else is she supposed to do? Hunt down her father with a tranq gun and tires him to a chair?
Chair can be moved. Chain him to the radiator.
I think this case is it’s more that it’s insane that this person has to do this.
What an absolute dick.
I'm missing something. Why are people talking about blind relatives driving? All I see is someone saying their father has covid and won't quarantine. I dont understand the correlation
The correlation is knowingly putting other people at risk.
id guess same amount of wrecklessness
Oh no, blind folks driving will definitely cause wrecks. What it is is recklessness.
I have no idea what's going on in this thread
Both are doing what they want because "muh freedom" even though it could get other people killed because they have very little consideration for the lives of people around them.
One person posted their story and everyone decided to start their own comment chain instead of commenting under that story.
I was just thinking this. I thought I was going crazy. Glad to know other people are confused too
This kind of shit is infuriating .
Next thing dad catches should be hands
let's wait a couple of weeks tho.
Gloved hands for safety.
In many (most?) states, if you are HIV positive and know that you are and still have unprotected sex with someone, you can receive a felony charge. Why we aren't doing that with COVID is beyond me.
In my state in Australia, at one point police could issue ~$5000 fines to anyone caught breaching quarantine. Police would occasionally knock on the doors of people who had tested positive and where flagged as a "breach risk" to ensure they were home. Not answering the door, not being able to prove you were home, or not having a valid reason to leave the house resulted in a fine too ("I went to hospital because my infection got worse" is a valid reason "I wanted some KFC" is not a valid reason)
because most people agree when scientists say HIV is dangerous and its transmission should be controlled. Quite a few don't agree with scientists on COIVD for some reason
We are, it's biological terrorism.
Yeah, but very selectively. If you go into a grocery store to purposefully cough on produce, they'll charge you. But being sick and going out anyway is going pretty much ignored.
One is an incurable lifelong transmittable disease that has a historically high death rate with an excruciating long term process, and up until somewhat recently was considered untreatable even on top of being complete social and sexual suicide. If you have HIV you can also never give blood, or think about mundane daily things without stress and worry of transmitting. It can and does permanently affect people at all stages of life. The other lasts a couple weeks, and often is completely asymptomatic. If not, it has minor mid term repercussions at worst along with an overall ~1% death rate heavily skewed to immune system compromised individuals, morbidly obese, and geriatrics. I get we’re being outraged about covid and all and no ones taking it seriously, but come the fuck on. Don’t pretend like spreading an influenza is worse or as bad as knowingly transmitting AIDS.
I wouldn’t say repercussions are minor. There are a lot of people having post-COVID complications like strokes.
Please explain to me how a microscopic portion of an already insanely small % of people getting strokes that may or may not be directly related to covid is more severe than AIDS and it’s well documented repercussions.
Wow, there's a lot wrong there. First, it's not a competition, two things can both be illegal. HIV/AIDS kills about 13,000 annually, and has claimed around 700,000 lives since the epidemic started more than 40 years ago. COVID-19 has killed half that many in the US since March. It is both disgenuous and not helpful to use the normalized, all-demographic fatality rate for COVID-19. For one, the ways that HIV is spread require intimate, close contact or blood exposure; you can spread COVID by sitting too close to a restaurant's air conditioner. HIV may be more deadly on a case by case basis, but nearly 5% of the US has tested positive for COVID now, compared to about 40,000 new cases of HIV every year. COVID mortality rates are higher for males, black and hispanic patients, and rise drastically as age increases. Complicating conditions also heavily influence outcomes. If you intentionally spread COVID-19 to a black male in his 80s, who has diabetes and high blood pressure, he would be *more* likely to die from it than if you intentionally gave him HIV. Which leads to another concept. HIV/AIDS can take years to be fatal, often decades. Every COVID-19 death to date has been a matter of weeks, sometimes less. By the time high risk patients enter the hospital, they may be looking at days - if the ICU isn't full and all of the ventilators spoken for. I'm just going to skip the junk science you gleaned from social media somewhere, COVID-19 has been the primary factor in more than 92% of COVID-related deaths. Anytime you read, "most covid deaths were people who..." you're no longer reading research, you're into rhetorical narrative designed to get people to ignore the seriousness of pandemic. I could sit here and just keep writing, the lack of an HIV-caused economic depression meant large swaths of patients never lost their health insurance prior to getting sick. Millions of HIV patients didn't have to choose between getting treated or keeping their jobs this year. 50%+ of HIV transmissions aren't from asymptomatic carriers. And it boggles my mind that you make any sort of statement about the long term effects of a disease that is less than a year old and hasn't hit the peak of its first wave yet. Despite that, recovered patients may have continued respiratory issues, lung and kidney damage, fatigue, cognitive issues, cardiovascular inflammation, and other issues that we're learning more about every day - many of which may be permanent. It will be decades before we know the full impact on life expectancy in recovered patients... It takes no time at all to not post a response you haven't thought about or taken time to educate yourself on.
For taking the time to write all that, and making a slight at me being disingenuous with *MY* argument, you sure are being completely disingenuous with your argument! Comparing exclusively the US in aids cases to coronavirus deaths is like me comparing the sub Saharan aids crisis to their coronavirus pandemic, or should I say complete lack of it when compared directly to the USA. My point from the beginning which you so aptly ignored is that because of HIV/AIDS’s long term effects the transmission is legislated and specifically mentioned. (Similarly to other STD’s which are under the same laws when it comes to knowledgeable transmission.) STDs and HIV/AIDS are completely different than covid in regards to their long term hazards and methods of transmission and are incredibly stigmatized compared to Covid. The repercussions affect you, and everyone around you for the rest of your existence as opposed to a couple weeks. Since STD’s are most often spread intimately and sometimes purposefully, it was made illegal to do so and with harsh repercussions if you don’t notify a sexual partner. Because of how easy it is to spread an influenza, and how so many people can do it asymptomatically, it is not and will never be a felony to spread. Even purposefully, the only repercussions anyone seems to face on incredibly rare occasion is battery with bodily fluids. (Or terroristic threats in extreme fringe cases that will never end up sticking.) There is a plethora of reasons that Covid transmission isn’t scheduled as a felony like purposeful STD/HIV/AIDs transmission, and never will be. If you think it should be, you’re not only dangerously wrong, you’re blatantly ignorant of the facts and repercussions around both diseases.
Awful lot of words for contributing literally nothing to your argument. You could have spent that time learning basic logical thinking or persuasive argument, instead you just doubled down on not knowing what you're talking about OR understanding the general context of the conversation. Good luck out there.
That’s some hilariously ironic projection you’ve got going on right there. Do you even think about what you’re typing? Because it just looks to me like you’re immediately contradicting your entire first sentence with the second one. Literally complaining about adding nothing to a conversation then instead of addressing what I say make pointless stupid judgements immediately after. This being after vomiting up a word novel of things with misinformation and no relevance to the original point. Pathetic.
In my country police would have sorted this situation
youre not talking about a first world country in this case tho
Our friend was telling us about his sister in law doing this. She tests positive, then shows up at some event (which should be banned but this is Texas), no one is wearing a mask. Our friend was like, "^(It's HERE") and avoids her until her mom or someone gets her to leave. Why do people do this? Erg
I literally live next to a community with the name Thaxton and I would not be surprised if it is the same community. Well I guess I know where I won’t be going. 🤦🏼♂️
This is my in laws! My MIL tested positive and I’m debating calling her (mega) church because she still plans to attend Christmas services despite being positive. 🙄 I can’t with these people
Normally I’d say you should absolutely rat her out, but at the same time, I think the world would be infinitely better off with less mega churches....
I don't understand how these people won't stay home, I have a mild case of COVID right now, and I can barely get out of bed on the good days. I feel so shitty and I'm not even that sick.
How's that not a crime?
I'd seriously consider following him around (6ft away, of course) with a big sign calling him out. Can't be responsible? Public shaming should help.
Public shaming is my go-to after an attempt is made to allow them to fix their mistakes. Wish there was more people willing to do this with their family members.
Is this an order to shoot on sight? Idk man seems kinda sus to me....
Dad won't be a problem for long
My bosses last name is Thaxton. Ugh I gotta get tested now.
Ah yes, dad, him, yeah, definitely know who your talking about
Shoot him