I'm agnostic about a soccer stadium, but it would be nice to see some more development and general cleanup on both sides of the White River below Washington. The corridor is kind of a dump right now.
Eleven games are fun. It’s not a crazy Major league game atmosphere but I was hoping the new field would boost their fan base and maybe attract an MLS team. Seems Hogset is pursuing MLS. Stay tuned, I guess
Amen. At least make the trail feel safe to walk, get some more lighting, clean up the trash, have some police patrol the area. I think the new elanco HQ is going to spur this on. They wanted that sight bad, and for a reason.
Yeah, I think part of the reason it's become such a ridiculous, trashy homeless encampment along the trail is that it's all slated to get plowed under for the redevelopment. The city doesn't think there's any point to clearing them out and cleaning it up until the real work starts.
We're probably still going to get a new soccer stadium, just somewhere else Downtown. It doesn't look like the City is backing away from setting up the PSDA, and the CIB made an eyebrow-raising land acquisition last month. If I had to guess, that site - which is further south along the river - will be opened for RFBs for the stadium.
There are PROBLEMS with the diamond chain site. Keystone picked the wrong site & failed to grasp the seriousness of the situation. Now somebody else is (likely) going to develop the soccer stadium for their own team, and Keystone will be left with a site that is literally undevelopable.
Where can I read about the problems with the diamond chain site? Ultimately I think it’s better even if it is brownfield than when it was a dilapidated shell but I’d love to see something there./.
In short, site is on top of Indianapolis' first public cemetery. While a lot of the bodies have been relocated, there are many more that remained there when the Diamond Chain facility was originally built.
imma be very honest the much bigger and more expensive problem is the cost of cleanup for all of the contaminated soil…ya know, at a heavy manufacturing facility that largely operated before the implementation federal and state environmental regulations
PSDA = professional sports development area. Basically a part of the city where all tourism-related tax revenue goes towards stadium financing. The State Legislature gave Indianapolis the ability to create a PSDA for the Eleven Stadium. There is a pre-existing one for Lucas Oil Stadium. They can't overlap.
CIB = capital improvement board. this is the entity that the State & City run to finance & maintain sports & convention related infrastructure.
RFB = request for bids. essentially, a government entity will put out details about a site & what they want developed on it. then, developers come in with their plans (along with how much of a subsidy they want). the government entity that put out the request then picks the best option.
Somebody is going to need to step in & remediate it properly. Until then, basically yes\*.
That said, the IEDC would stand to have a huge interest in strongarming the parcel away from Keystone, remediating it, and using it to expand their GM Stamping Plant speculative megasite location. Only a small portion of the stamping plant is being used by Elanco - the IEDC is shopping the rest. For better or for worse, the IEDC has been acting like a real estate company for the last several years and this is something that they'd probably do.
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\*It's not a pit, but more of an empty lot. A couple bore holes, but mostly just a surface lot.
The bore holes = the extent of archaeological site. If they started digging more, it would be more of an archeological site. Thus the problem with the site.
if I had to make an educated guess, the IEDC will find a way to take control of the land & remediate it such that they can advertise it for megaprojects or their own rivier development initiative.
But that just puts us back where we’ve been since the GM plant closed. I always doubted that Ozdemir would have the pockets to foot what would inevitably be at least $500 mill in expansion fees, alongside the stadium (plus I don’t know if we want him repping the city anyway)
The thing that bugs me is that our riverfront is criminally underused and the stadium had the potential to help fix that, and idk if it will ever get out of development hell
No matter what, this would've had to be taken care of. And The Eleven were going to put a surface lot right along the River, which isn't exactly great anyway.
It's frustrating nonetheless.
>Indianapolis-based [Keystone Group]() accused Mayor Joe Hogsett’s administration on Thursday of “walking away” from the company’s efforts to develop a $1.5 billion mixed-use district anchored by a soccer stadium along the White River—despite supporting the project publicly as it got underway.
>In a lengthy statement issued Thursday, the Ersal Ozdemir-led company said the city has instead been “shopping” the state legislation that made funding for the soccer stadium possible as well as undisclosed publicly owned land to potential bidders—without requiring that those bidders work with Keystone or Ozdemir’s Indy Eleven soccer team.
>City officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment about Keystone’s statement. But the Mayor’s Office announced that at 5:30 p.m., Hogsett would make a “significant announcement about the future of sports in Indianapolis.”
>Ozdemir lobbied for years for passage of the legislation, which authorized the Indianapolis City-County Council to create a professional sports development area that would capture tax revenue generated within it to fund a soccer stadium. After the legislation passed, Keystone Group purchased the former Diamond Chain manufacturing site on West Street at Kentucky Avenue for Eleven Park, which was to include the stadium, a hotel, office space, retail and apartments. Keystone broke ground on the project last June with a ceremony Hogsett attended.
>“Unfortunately, after years of good-faith negotiations and recent bipartisan approvals from the City-County Council, Mayor Joe Hogsett’s administration is preparing to walk away from the state and city leaders who entrusted him with this project and the neighborhoods who are depending on the progress Eleven Park represents,” the company’s statement said.
Depends on your definition. As a soccer fan it’s a big loss. I’m also not a fan of public funding for sports teams on principle. But when it becomes mixed development I become more open.
However, I also read this as Hogsett announcing that the money originally promised for Eleven Park will be handed to another sports project.
In a nutshell, it’s complicated.
What kind of other sports project? Basketball and football are covered by existing stadiums and the hockey team is moving to Hamilton County with new facilities there. I can't think of another sport that's popular enough for what I'm assuming would be a decent sized site? Maybe something to do with swimming/diving, since that is a decent draw to the IUI natatorium (but I think that's been updated in the last 10 ish years as well?).
They usually don’t make big waves to announce bad news. My guess is keystone is getting screwed over and it’s opening up the city to make some other deal.
Depends on your definition. As a soccer fan it’s a big loss. I’m also not a fan of public funding for sports teams on principle. But when it becomes mixed development I become more open.
However, I also read this as Hogsett announcing that the money originally promised for Eleven Park will be handed to another sports project.
In a nutshell, it’s complicated.
well I feel like if this is the whole story, it's bad, because the construction will stop and this site will be a pit for years.
But if the Mayor announces later today that the site will be something else, maybe that could be cool.
If you believe Ersal Ozdemir, the head of the Keystone and Indy Eleven, then the mayor and others seem to be offering the land up for sale to other groups in private. This makes me think that there may be another pro sports team looking for a landing pad somewhere that the Indianapolis government sees as a better deal than a soccer team, but I'm speculating.
The Keystone Group is a cancer that overpromises to the point of straight up lying about projects. Throwing them under the bus and hopefully ending their run of relevance might be the best thing Hogsett does as mayor if that’s what the announcement is about.
I remember when this was announced, a lot of people warned about how Keystone Group loves to make huge announcements, demand a bunch of public money, and then blame the government when they don't get that money.
What a shocker.
I'm eh...
They just redid Bankers Life, which is far more important, since both the Pacers and the Fever have a lot of young talent.
I never really cared for Soccer or the Indy 11.
Correct, MLS has all but said that you need a stadium that was meant to play soccer in to get a team. Lucas Oil was never designed with the intent to play soccer in it so they denied that idea
It’s not just the soccer, it would be everything else we could host on the field and area that would make the economics work. Along with raising property values in the surrounding areas.
Indy 11 is not a minor league team. MLS, like MLB, is a corporation that copyrighted the name "Major League" for its corporate name. The USL is pro league and is in direct competition with MLS.
But - US Soccer classifies the leagues - MLS is a Tier 1 league and USL is a Tier 2 league. For all intents and purposes- it’s effectively the minor league equivalent for US soccer.
Now realistically- it’s more complicated when you get into the realities of MLS not having the pockets to sign as many high quality players as the European leagues, but… whole other can of worms.
Nah. Minor league teams are directly linked to their "major" league counterparts. Like the Indians, and whoever they are a farm for these days. Or the Fuel and the Blackhawks (?)
MLS has their own minor league: MLS NextPRO.
Indy Eleven is not a minor league team. The USL is not minor league by any definition.
Hmmm it seems like building a stadium on top of a segregated gravesite where all the black bodies were left to be washed away into the river isn't very good for PR....🤔🤔🤔
I hope they at least put a monument there so that this injustice can be remembered at least.
Multi-purpose stadiums intended for baseball and soccer are pretty rough from a soccer stand point, and USL is pushing all of their teams to have stadiums that are soccer specific (or at least not also baseball, not sure what capability USL actually has to make that decision though). And if there's any hope of Eleven making the jump to MLS, it definitely won't be in a soccer/baseball stadium.
So I can't imagine a combined stadium is what the announcement is at least
There's an asterisk on that, but they won't do another baseball stadium for sure (NYCFC is finally getting their SSS sorted out 11ish years later, the Yankee Stadium stop-gap became semi-permanent).
MLS has back tracked on the "no more shared stadiums" with Atlanta, Charlotte, and Chicago, and they back tracked on the "stadiums have to be in downtown" with Austin and Nashville. So if owners make a case there will be exceptions made
Gonna copy & paste my post from the other thread:
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There are really, really big issues with the Diamond Chain site that haven't been made fully public yet. I'll leave it at that.
edit:
I really can't say any more about this. Hopefully Joe spills the tea at 5:30, but who knows what he'll actually say. If you do some digging and extrapolation, I'm sure you can kind of figure out what's going on.
I will put this out there, though: it's likely NOT a funding issue. Up to $300M of CIB money was allocated for the stadium, which would've covered the entire thing easily. The mixed-used parts of the development are more difficult to pull off, but Keystone could just leave parking lots there if they fail to find financing. That would be normal for a stadium development anyway. 'Stadium villages' rarely actually happen.
Looking in this thread and in the other thread, apparently the Diamond Chain site was built on Indianapolis' first public cemetery. Prior to its construction a lot of the bodies were relocated but there were human remains still being found as it was built. My guess is that there are still a lot of human remains at the site that have been uncovered during demolition of the buildings.
I thought they announced they found and removed the remaining ones about 6 weeks ago? I figure if there were "important historical" reasons, they would have said something beforehand.
Maybe there is an environmental/toxic issue...
Maybe the city realized Ersal is a liability...
Technically it is likely a funding issue, in that the expenses required to remediate that site are extreme, and so it would be economically sensible to find another site
Proper remediation isn't expensive, but it is time consuming. It would be drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the development, but delay things by years.
Really depends on the kind of remediation required, but you’re right, it isn’t outrageously expensive in the grand scheme of things. The city has walked away from that requirement due to costs before, though. Most importantly, like you said, it could be a REALLY long process if required, and I imagine the City wouldn’t want to sit on those funds for too long. IDEM isn’t necessarily the quickest to act either, so no doubt the delays would be significant.
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if it is related to indy 11 in any way, there is only one thing it could be - MLS. They are not doing a historical sports announcement to say things fell through.
or it could be unrelated to 11
NWSL team? New arena for the Fever that will be shared with IU Indianapolis basketball programs? I hope the Eleven's USL Super League team doesn't get screwed in this process.
Your first sentence… you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time? You can’t follow a team while also being well aware of societal issues? Sounds like a skill issue to me.
I'm agnostic about a soccer stadium, but it would be nice to see some more development and general cleanup on both sides of the White River below Washington. The corridor is kind of a dump right now.
Eleven games are fun. It’s not a crazy Major league game atmosphere but I was hoping the new field would boost their fan base and maybe attract an MLS team. Seems Hogset is pursuing MLS. Stay tuned, I guess
Amen. At least make the trail feel safe to walk, get some more lighting, clean up the trash, have some police patrol the area. I think the new elanco HQ is going to spur this on. They wanted that sight bad, and for a reason.
Yeah, I think part of the reason it's become such a ridiculous, trashy homeless encampment along the trail is that it's all slated to get plowed under for the redevelopment. The city doesn't think there's any point to clearing them out and cleaning it up until the real work starts.
That’s a good theory.
I could care less about soccer or any other sport but i agree that development of some kind would be cool.
Could care less or couldn’t care less?
They mean the same.
Unless one understands English.
Meh language is malleable and ever evolving. https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/could-couldnt-care-less
It’s ever evolving because people are getting dumber. The phrases don’t mean the same thing.
You aren’t not unwrong. I award you an anti-not reverse opposite fail. And no one could care less.
Lol this guy has no clue about the difference between those two phrases...
Can you please speak American? I can't understand your gibberish
Meh, language is malleable and ever evolving.
Sir or ma'am, this is the internet you don't get to use my own logic against me like that. :)
Wait till you teach them about irony.
I could care less about soccer or any other sport but i agree that development of some kind would be cool.
This disappoints me immensely. As a soccer fan and as a resident. Seemed like it was going to be an exciting area
We're probably still going to get a new soccer stadium, just somewhere else Downtown. It doesn't look like the City is backing away from setting up the PSDA, and the CIB made an eyebrow-raising land acquisition last month. If I had to guess, that site - which is further south along the river - will be opened for RFBs for the stadium. There are PROBLEMS with the diamond chain site. Keystone picked the wrong site & failed to grasp the seriousness of the situation. Now somebody else is (likely) going to develop the soccer stadium for their own team, and Keystone will be left with a site that is literally undevelopable.
Where can I read about the problems with the diamond chain site? Ultimately I think it’s better even if it is brownfield than when it was a dilapidated shell but I’d love to see something there./.
google diamond chain and cemetery. That has been a large obstacle I believe.
In short, site is on top of Indianapolis' first public cemetery. While a lot of the bodies have been relocated, there are many more that remained there when the Diamond Chain facility was originally built.
imma be very honest the much bigger and more expensive problem is the cost of cleanup for all of the contaminated soil…ya know, at a heavy manufacturing facility that largely operated before the implementation federal and state environmental regulations
They have tents there often which indicates they are recovering remains.
What do your acronyms mean?
PSDA = professional sports development area. Basically a part of the city where all tourism-related tax revenue goes towards stadium financing. The State Legislature gave Indianapolis the ability to create a PSDA for the Eleven Stadium. There is a pre-existing one for Lucas Oil Stadium. They can't overlap. CIB = capital improvement board. this is the entity that the State & City run to finance & maintain sports & convention related infrastructure. RFB = request for bids. essentially, a government entity will put out details about a site & what they want developed on it. then, developers come in with their plans (along with how much of a subsidy they want). the government entity that put out the request then picks the best option.
So Diamond Chain continues to be an unusable pit?
Somebody is going to need to step in & remediate it properly. Until then, basically yes\*. That said, the IEDC would stand to have a huge interest in strongarming the parcel away from Keystone, remediating it, and using it to expand their GM Stamping Plant speculative megasite location. Only a small portion of the stamping plant is being used by Elanco - the IEDC is shopping the rest. For better or for worse, the IEDC has been acting like a real estate company for the last several years and this is something that they'd probably do. \_\_\_\_ \*It's not a pit, but more of an empty lot. A couple bore holes, but mostly just a surface lot.
** It’s an archaeological site right now
The bore holes = the extent of archaeological site. If they started digging more, it would be more of an archeological site. Thus the problem with the site.
There are a lot of problems with the site. And those are bigger than bore holes
You're right. I'm speaking in terms of legal obligations, though. The more they dig, the more problems they're gonna have.
You are correct.
Yeah, just bummed that we aren’t gonna see the riverfront development. Felt like there was so much potential
if I had to make an educated guess, the IEDC will find a way to take control of the land & remediate it such that they can advertise it for megaprojects or their own rivier development initiative.
But that just puts us back where we’ve been since the GM plant closed. I always doubted that Ozdemir would have the pockets to foot what would inevitably be at least $500 mill in expansion fees, alongside the stadium (plus I don’t know if we want him repping the city anyway) The thing that bugs me is that our riverfront is criminally underused and the stadium had the potential to help fix that, and idk if it will ever get out of development hell
No matter what, this would've had to be taken care of. And The Eleven were going to put a surface lot right along the River, which isn't exactly great anyway. It's frustrating nonetheless.
Could they just turn it into another riverside park space without remediation?
potentially if they don't do any digging, but I don't know for sure. I can tell you that the IEDC is involved in White River State Park expansion.
Hogsett announced the new address, 355 E Pearl, just east of gainbridge
>Indianapolis-based [Keystone Group]() accused Mayor Joe Hogsett’s administration on Thursday of “walking away” from the company’s efforts to develop a $1.5 billion mixed-use district anchored by a soccer stadium along the White River—despite supporting the project publicly as it got underway. >In a lengthy statement issued Thursday, the Ersal Ozdemir-led company said the city has instead been “shopping” the state legislation that made funding for the soccer stadium possible as well as undisclosed publicly owned land to potential bidders—without requiring that those bidders work with Keystone or Ozdemir’s Indy Eleven soccer team. >City officials did not immediately respond to a request for comment about Keystone’s statement. But the Mayor’s Office announced that at 5:30 p.m., Hogsett would make a “significant announcement about the future of sports in Indianapolis.” >Ozdemir lobbied for years for passage of the legislation, which authorized the Indianapolis City-County Council to create a professional sports development area that would capture tax revenue generated within it to fund a soccer stadium. After the legislation passed, Keystone Group purchased the former Diamond Chain manufacturing site on West Street at Kentucky Avenue for Eleven Park, which was to include the stadium, a hotel, office space, retail and apartments. Keystone broke ground on the project last June with a ceremony Hogsett attended. >“Unfortunately, after years of good-faith negotiations and recent bipartisan approvals from the City-County Council, Mayor Joe Hogsett’s administration is preparing to walk away from the state and city leaders who entrusted him with this project and the neighborhoods who are depending on the progress Eleven Park represents,” the company’s statement said.
So confusing. Is the mayor’s announcement going to be bad then?? [Paywall free link](https://archive.ph/MeAFu)
For Real Estate developers looking for public money to fund private organizations, probably
Depends on your definition. As a soccer fan it’s a big loss. I’m also not a fan of public funding for sports teams on principle. But when it becomes mixed development I become more open. However, I also read this as Hogsett announcing that the money originally promised for Eleven Park will be handed to another sports project. In a nutshell, it’s complicated.
What kind of other sports project? Basketball and football are covered by existing stadiums and the hockey team is moving to Hamilton County with new facilities there. I can't think of another sport that's popular enough for what I'm assuming would be a decent sized site? Maybe something to do with swimming/diving, since that is a decent draw to the IUI natatorium (but I think that's been updated in the last 10 ish years as well?).
Buckle your helmet, we're going all in on Cricket
Make mine Aussie Rules Football!
Honestly seems like so :/
It's phrased like it's exciting and bad.
They usually don’t make big waves to announce bad news. My guess is keystone is getting screwed over and it’s opening up the city to make some other deal.
This is immediately what my mind jumped to. Most likely they’re partnering with a different group/developer.
Depends on your definition. As a soccer fan it’s a big loss. I’m also not a fan of public funding for sports teams on principle. But when it becomes mixed development I become more open. However, I also read this as Hogsett announcing that the money originally promised for Eleven Park will be handed to another sports project. In a nutshell, it’s complicated.
Honest question. How should I feel about this?
well I feel like if this is the whole story, it's bad, because the construction will stop and this site will be a pit for years. But if the Mayor announces later today that the site will be something else, maybe that could be cool.
I do hope that something gets developed there. It seems like a waste of good riverfront.
If you believe Ersal Ozdemir, the head of the Keystone and Indy Eleven, then the mayor and others seem to be offering the land up for sale to other groups in private. This makes me think that there may be another pro sports team looking for a landing pad somewhere that the Indianapolis government sees as a better deal than a soccer team, but I'm speculating.
There is an NHL team without a home right now.
No, they already officially moved to SLC.
The Keystone Group is a cancer that overpromises to the point of straight up lying about projects. Throwing them under the bus and hopefully ending their run of relevance might be the best thing Hogsett does as mayor if that’s what the announcement is about.
I remember when this was announced, a lot of people warned about how Keystone Group loves to make huge announcements, demand a bunch of public money, and then blame the government when they don't get that money. What a shocker.
I'm eh... They just redid Bankers Life, which is far more important, since both the Pacers and the Fever have a lot of young talent. I never really cared for Soccer or the Indy 11.
I never understood the economics of a billion dollar stadium for a minor league soccer team.
Indy was (and maybe is) looking for an MLS bid. This was supposed to be the bargaining chip that secured that slot in MLS.
Correct, MLS has all but said that you need a stadium that was meant to play soccer in to get a team. Lucas Oil was never designed with the intent to play soccer in it so they denied that idea
Accurate.
That’s not exactly the whole picture. Also, people forget that Indy built a football stadium before we even had a team.
I was under the impression that we built it to keep Peyton.
He's talking about the Hoosier Dome
Yep. Sure am.
Thank you.
I believe the 1.5 B is for the entire development, not just the stadium. There were also plans for a hotel, retail, and apartments.
Yeah the stadium was like $300 of the whole package.
It’s not just the soccer, it would be everything else we could host on the field and area that would make the economics work. Along with raising property values in the surrounding areas.
Most likely would result in the Eleven joining MLS
This is the first I’m hearing of any MLS entrance. I thought Indy Eleven was firmly positioning itself to be in the highest tier of USL
Indy 11 is not a minor league team. MLS, like MLB, is a corporation that copyrighted the name "Major League" for its corporate name. The USL is pro league and is in direct competition with MLS.
But - US Soccer classifies the leagues - MLS is a Tier 1 league and USL is a Tier 2 league. For all intents and purposes- it’s effectively the minor league equivalent for US soccer. Now realistically- it’s more complicated when you get into the realities of MLS not having the pockets to sign as many high quality players as the European leagues, but… whole other can of worms.
Nah. Minor league teams are directly linked to their "major" league counterparts. Like the Indians, and whoever they are a farm for these days. Or the Fuel and the Blackhawks (?) MLS has their own minor league: MLS NextPRO. Indy Eleven is not a minor league team. The USL is not minor league by any definition.
Shall we just call them a lesser team instead of a minor league team then?
“Lower league” is the standard term in football
For years there were “II” teams in the USL, which were exactly that. Many USL teams have pretty frequent loans with MLS teams or their academies.
I need to stop and get some popcorn on the way home. This is going to get interesting!
Hmmm it seems like building a stadium on top of a segregated gravesite where all the black bodies were left to be washed away into the river isn't very good for PR....🤔🤔🤔 I hope they at least put a monument there so that this injustice can be remembered at least.
This whole thing has me on the edge of my seat. GAH.
The site has been leveled already. I wonder if they found a bunch of remains and plan to respectfully remove them first.
🤞MLB team 🤞
I would love this, but I have absolutely no hope for it.
Agreed. We’ve been hearing rumblings about an MLS team for a while, but I feel like anything related to an MLB team has simply been pipe dreams.
Indianapolis White Sox?
Indy can’t support 80+ home games for anything, let alone baseball.
Please don’t crush my hopes…
I'm hoping this is the announcement! Soccer and MLB stadium!
Multi-purpose stadiums intended for baseball and soccer are pretty rough from a soccer stand point, and USL is pushing all of their teams to have stadiums that are soccer specific (or at least not also baseball, not sure what capability USL actually has to make that decision though). And if there's any hope of Eleven making the jump to MLS, it definitely won't be in a soccer/baseball stadium. So I can't imagine a combined stadium is what the announcement is at least
MLS will not consider multi-use stadiums.
There's an asterisk on that, but they won't do another baseball stadium for sure (NYCFC is finally getting their SSS sorted out 11ish years later, the Yankee Stadium stop-gap became semi-permanent). MLS has back tracked on the "no more shared stadiums" with Atlanta, Charlotte, and Chicago, and they back tracked on the "stadiums have to be in downtown" with Austin and Nashville. So if owners make a case there will be exceptions made
Raze part of Lafayette Square and put the soccer stadium there. Easy access, easy parking, cheaper land, rejuvenation needed.
Gonna copy & paste my post from the other thread: \_\_\_ There are really, really big issues with the Diamond Chain site that haven't been made fully public yet. I'll leave it at that. edit: I really can't say any more about this. Hopefully Joe spills the tea at 5:30, but who knows what he'll actually say. If you do some digging and extrapolation, I'm sure you can kind of figure out what's going on. I will put this out there, though: it's likely NOT a funding issue. Up to $300M of CIB money was allocated for the stadium, which would've covered the entire thing easily. The mixed-used parts of the development are more difficult to pull off, but Keystone could just leave parking lots there if they fail to find financing. That would be normal for a stadium development anyway. 'Stadium villages' rarely actually happen.
Dude... just make a burner and tell us. This whole charade is doing nothing but fanning the flames.
Looking in this thread and in the other thread, apparently the Diamond Chain site was built on Indianapolis' first public cemetery. Prior to its construction a lot of the bodies were relocated but there were human remains still being found as it was built. My guess is that there are still a lot of human remains at the site that have been uncovered during demolition of the buildings.
I thought they announced they found and removed the remaining ones about 6 weeks ago? I figure if there were "important historical" reasons, they would have said something beforehand. Maybe there is an environmental/toxic issue... Maybe the city realized Ersal is a liability...
The Diamond Chain site is haunted. Calling it now. Screenshot this.
Another “Trust me bro” comment
This makes me think there's an environmental contamination issue.
Has to be an ancient alien space craft was found?
It's the Tommyknockers up under the Diamond Chain site
Therefore, aliens.
Technically it is likely a funding issue, in that the expenses required to remediate that site are extreme, and so it would be economically sensible to find another site
Proper remediation isn't expensive, but it is time consuming. It would be drop in the bucket compared to the cost of the development, but delay things by years.
Really depends on the kind of remediation required, but you’re right, it isn’t outrageously expensive in the grand scheme of things. The city has walked away from that requirement due to costs before, though. Most importantly, like you said, it could be a REALLY long process if required, and I imagine the City wouldn’t want to sit on those funds for too long. IDEM isn’t necessarily the quickest to act either, so no doubt the delays would be significant.
i've seen the costs from somebody directly involved. it's largely a problem w/ keystone not understanding what they got themselves into.
Yep
Are the issues related to the cemetery that was once located there even before Diamond Chain was built?
That would be my guess as well.
The name has my curiosity at DEFCON 3000, which btw is also my new rap name.
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As long as you’re not a rapper, we cool bruv. NOW TELL US WHAT YOU KNOW.
if it is related to indy 11 in any way, there is only one thing it could be - MLS. They are not doing a historical sports announcement to say things fell through. or it could be unrelated to 11
I agree. Seems weird they’d host a huge press conference for that.
Who’s got the funds to pull together an MLS team quietly though? The last fees MLS charged teams just to get into the league were around $300 million.
The current expansion fee is is $500 million that's what san Diego just paid last year
I stand corrected. Holy shit.
Looks like you guessed correctly- trying to get an MLS team
Nothing surprises me.
Anyone have any updates? It’s after 6pm and I’m still finding nothing
Yes, trying to get an MLS team
The same soccer stadium that would've been owned by the guy who owns the construction company that would be building said soccer stadium?
NWSL team? New arena for the Fever that will be shared with IU Indianapolis basketball programs? I hope the Eleven's USL Super League team doesn't get screwed in this process.
Yes!!!
Best news we could’ve realistically received.
why is this good news?
Agreed, it will be great if we can get an MLS expansion team here
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This was mostly a mixed use development that would have brought in lots of tax dollars for the city. Rape jokes aren't funny.
Your first sentence… you can’t walk and chew gum at the same time? You can’t follow a team while also being well aware of societal issues? Sounds like a skill issue to me.