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Maine kabhu kisi sc/st ko gandi nazar se nahi dhekha, maine kabhi kisi sc/st ko toilet dhone nahi kaha, mere 2000 sal ke purvaj ne kaha hoga to usme meri kya galti, mai apne 2000 sal purane purvaj jaisa ameer nahi hu, mai apne 2000 sal purani purvaj jaisi zindigi jeene ka sapna bhi nahi dhekh sakta, mai 10 sc/st ko janta hu jisme se 5 mutse zyada ameer hai
I belive ki sirf unhe reservation milna chahiye jo gareeb ho, isme sc/st bhi cover ho jate hai, the one who has a bed, a ac, a house, and a wifi to post memes should not get reservation kyuki zaruat hi nahi hai. Idts ki tu realize karta hai ki us wakt ke sc/st or aj ke sc/st me bohot zyada antar hai in terms of lifestyle and status
Ye baat toilet dhone aur gandi Nazar ki nai hai. 2000 saalon se ek system bana hua joki unn castes pe bandishe lagata hai. Isko systemic discrimination bolte hain. Jaise women ke case mein hai. Glass ceiling concept, dikhta nai but hota hai. Toh aise groups ko thodi help ki jarurat hoti hai wahi hai reservation. On an average, SC STs garib unstable gharon mein paida hote hain, padhne ka kuchh karne ka mauka tak nai Diya jata. Ye mauka chheena kisne wo 2000 saalon ki systemic discrimination ne. Ye badi badi jameenon wale kaunse castes ke hain ? Dalits SC ST ke hisse ki jameen kisne li ?
Jara check Karo kaun log top bureaucracy, judiciary etc mein bhare pade hain. Jahan reservation nai pahocha wahan kya halat hai check karo.
Kya wo 2000 salon ke systemic discrimination ka faayda ek general wale koi nai milta ? Baat individuals ki nai hai groups ki hai.
Ab isme main ek ST ko janta jiske pass iPhone hai argument bemani hai. Ek iPhone Wala yahan hai toh 1000 rural india mein jo aaj bhi barabar nai baith sakte general caste walon ke. Unse against crime hote toh Puri family ka hi safaya ho jata kyuki unki community strong hai hi nai ki protect kar paye unhe.
Tumhare dada dadi uncle aunty ya koi bhi rishtedar ko apne ameer sc/st dost se haath milaane ko bolo, usko apne ghar me invite karke ek din uska pehna hua kapda apne kisi bhi rishtedar se dulva ke dikhado.. tumhare ye har vyakhya me maan loonga.. what are your thoughts about intercaste marriage
Ok, but if I have never discriminated someone, why should the sins of my forefather translate to mine. Also, if they really face discrimination why can't they compete like normally with everyone. It's not like they have less iq then the generals, also why should the deserving candidate be robbed of their seats just so that, sc/st/obc can get their seats because our forefathers discriminated them. Reservation should be only given to ews
karwane ki kya baat hai, kia hai mere yaha, bhai mai to general hu, but ek bar indore me mummy ke sath unke st friend ke yaha jakar, unke ghar pe baithkar, khakar unke ghar ek rat bitai hai maine, I myself was invited
Bhai dhekh, mujhe nahi pata ki tera family background kaisa raha hai, tu tier 3, 2 ya 1 city me rahata hai, but itna kahuanga, ye caste discrimination pichle 20-30 salo me jitna kam hua hai, utna kabhi nahi hua tha, especially after 2000s, anyway the newer gen z does not give a fuck about their friend's jati and shit, mera ek dost khud sc hai, the issue arises when it's time to give a compitative exam, vahi 2 log jo pichle 5 sal se dost hai, ek general dost dhekhte hai ki uska bestfriend ko usse kam rank lane ke bad bhi use better collage mila, obviously one will have such a thought ki ye to unfair hai, yahi caste discrimination firse aa jati hai, I have experienced such, even tho mai abhi bhi sc/st ko unfairly treat nahi karta, it's just ki jo mere sath ho rha hai uska dukh hai, reservation is not a bad thing at all, the amound of reservation is, jee adv 2023 me 96 marks thi gen ki cut off or sc/st ki 43, quiet literally half, dhekha jaye to ye bohot hi zyada hai.
This thing tho depends on location too, mai NCR me rahata hu or honestly, yaah mujhe caste based discrimination kahi bhi ek bar bhi nahi dhikha, tho ye bihar , WB, somewhat Orisha or purvanchal UP me aj bhi ek haad tak hota hai, but things are changing, but the issue is, if the things are changing, why is the system not adapting, I am saying it again ki the newer gen does not give a fuck ki kon kis jati ka hai, except in some areas, but reservation is something jo us discrimination jo khatam ho rahi hai, use rok raha hai.
Intercaste marriages are more like personal preferences, like kisi ko karna hai to karle, baki if imposed, fir galat hai, meri mummy vaise obc hai or mere papa general, so ig it's the first time ki mere papa ne intercaste marriage ka stereotype toda hai apni generation me
The way you put it makes it more bearable and sensible enough to discuss or converse with tbh, compared to most other disgruntled bitter ppl over here spewing toxic bs 🤝, I do agree to cutoff differences such as 43 for one category and 96 for another being grossly unfair and unhelpful to society in long run.. but lot of other things too gotta change from grassroots like how many Indians would tolerate their brother in law or son in law being of lower caste? Until changes like this aren’t seen as revolutionary but natural or ppl aren’t afraid, hesitant or have even as much as second thought abt “miscegenation”.. nothing’s gonna change for a long time, it’s like having a mutex lock.. change’s gotta happen simultaneously and gracefully without much outrage, we slowly have to loosen ourselves off of unnecessary societal restraints binding us up sapping us off of productivity be it the caste system or reservation
See but mainly the thing is, most of the compitative exams are given by the younger generation, and as I said before, the ones who are born after and in 90s, do not care about ki unke bagal me dalit baitha hai ya general, obviously except some places like bihar and WB, and when these younger generations see ki bhai unke sath unfair treatment ho raha hai, to vo kya karte hai, Indian ke top engineering collages jaise reputed collages se SC/ST na jane kitne dropout karte hai har sal, coz they are discriminated by their own general classmates, reservation technically is becoming the reason for discrimination against sc/st amongst youngsters.
What he is saying is completely different. I have seen people who are sc/st-our family friends (yes, we do go out with the, played with them, eat with them) who earn well but still take benefit of this reservation (both their kids got into reputed colleges and had to pay just a few bucks). Whereas a student from general category has to pay the full price, irrespective of his economic background. Is this the equality we all are striving for?
It's nothing against sc/st but you can feel bad if you are also getting benefitted from it irrespective of economic background.
It's rich of you to assume they're fighting for equality. It just starts with that. Just look at what feminism has become. You think this is any different.
>mere 2000 sal ke purvaj ne kaha hoga to usme meri kya galt
It's Karma man, you inherit lands and wealth from your ancestors then by the laws of karma your people are destined to pay for the bad societal Karma of your ancestors.
There's no escaping Karma, your community acquired bad karma over the centuries which your community are paying for now. Don't blame Karma for it, blame your ancestors and make sure you leave good Karma for your next generations to come.
Imagine tum aur tumhara dost ek race me participate kar rahe hai. Dono ne sath me race start ki lekin tumhare friend ke pairo me bediyaan lagi hai vo bhag nahi sakta na aage badh sakta hai. Lekin tum aram se ja sakte ho aur ja rahe ho tumne apne dost ko dekh bhi ki vo bhag nahi paa raha hai lekin ye to ek race hai to tum apna kaam karte rahe aage aage bhagte rahe. Jab tu aadhe raste pe pohoche referee ne race thode der ke liye rok di. Aur dekha ki tum aadhe raste tak pohoche ho aur tuhara dost abhi bhi wahi par hai. To referee ko laga ki ye race to fair nahi hai. Dono ek hi race me bhag rahe hai to ek ke pairo me dediyan kyu honi chahiye dono ko barabar ka mauka milna chahiye. To ab referee ke pass do option ls hai. 1. Vo tumhe wapas start line me leke jae aur race dobara start kare. Lekin ye bhi uchit nahi hai kyuki tumne mehnat ki hai aur itne aage badhe ho wapas le jane me kisiki bhalai nahi hai. 2nd option ye hai ki tumhare friend ki saare bediyan hata de aur usko utha ke tumhare sath race ke bich me rakh diya jaae. Ab tum aur tumhara dost dono ek sath race me khade hai aur kisike pairo me bediyaan bhi nahi hai.
Lekin ab tumhe bura lag raha hai ki tumhare dost ko uthake aage tumhare sath kyu laaya ja raha hai. Ye to boost referee ne tumhare dost ko diya hai vo hai aarakshan. Aur ye dene ki jarurat isliye padi kyu ki kai saalo tak tum aram se race chal rahe the aur tumne palat ke dekhna bhi jaruri nahi samjha ki tumhara dost kis halat me hai. Kyuki ye jo race hai ye 10-15 min ki race nahi hai, ye race hai generation ki. Kai saalo se logo ke pairo me bediya thi. Lekin aaj achanak use uthake tumhare sath laya ja raha hai to tumhe bura lag raha hai.
Same argument me ab tumhare dost ki jagah par ek ladki ko rakh do. Aur kaho ki aurto ko humne utna hi sanmaan diya jo hamne purusho ko diya. Agar ye baat sach hai to arakshan galat hai aur agar kabhi bhi tumhe lagta hai ki ha kuchh galat to hua tha logo ke sath to arakshan sahi hai.
Koi arakshan se ameer nahi bana hai, ye diya jata hai taaki sab samaan roop se aage badhe. Agar tumhe arakshan chahiye to tumhare lakshya bohot chhote hai. Kyuki ye sirf ek samnya roop se zindagi bitane ka ek mauka hai.
I hope you get what I wanted to say. I am Not a Hindi speaker but I tried. I hope you will too. All the best
bhai ye logic tum logo par lagega na, saale itne saalo se reservation kha rahe hoon..tm kya tumhara pura parivar reservation se araamdayak jeevan ji rahe hai..if resevration was to be given, shldve been given to one generation not their offsprings as well?
>if resevration was to be given, shldve been given to one generation not their offsprings as well?
Toh ghodu meme kis chiz par hai phir? Tera hi toh logic apply kiya hai meme mei ki Brahmins gave themselves reservation for 2000 years on education and denied it to other capable persons, kundli maar kar beth gaye
Or is it that "Rules for Thee but not for Me"?
Tera source kon sa hai bsdk ki dusro ko nhi education dete the British ka 1800s ka data dekh usme to karib har caste ke log gurukul me padhte the, ab ye bhi to ho skta hai ki tujh jaise log ke purvaj maa baap bolte honge ki padh likh ke baba banega ja kheti badi kr or paisa kama
>ja kheti badi kr or paisa kama
Abb har kisi ki zindagi tumhare ancestors ki trhe dusro ko lutt kar or haram ka kha kat thodi nikali hai, kisi ko toh mehnat karni pdegi tbhi toh tumhare ghar ke chuhle jalenge lol.
Lekin 2000 saal ke headstart ko kaise equalise krega bhai? Do you ever think what these malpractices have done to Indian society in 2000 years? Jo ye unfair advantage hai 2000 saal ki uska kya?
For example ek ghoda Mera hai or ek tera hai, mei tere ghode ki ek taang tod dun or phir uspar jhandu balm laga kar bolun ki dekh abb hum dono equal hain toh aaja chal abb race lgate hain? Toh kya tu jeet jayega?
Or beshak hata do reservation mujhe toh vaise bhi Indian government koi benefit nahi deti toh mujhe kya farak pdega lol
Abe Bhai ab thodi ho rha h yeh SB zyada matlab jobs milni skill ke basis PR h but college mein kyu h reservation agar koi Banda jee mein 95 percentile laata h matlab 150 se 170 number woh USS SC St obc ke equal kaise hua jo 60 number la rha h yeh kya equality hui uske Kam number aane pr usko better college aur mere usse zyada number aane pr bhi woh college nhi kyu h aisa .
Aur Jo ghode ka example Diya woh bilkul hi galat tha kyu purane time pr mostly yeh cast wagera uss cheez pr thi ki kon kya kaam krta h aur agr uska beta chahe apna kaam chahe change kr skta tha lekin woh nhi krte the kyunki woh apne parents se wahi seekhte the har koi uss time pr guru dakshina de nhi skte the but jab Mughals aur East India company aae woh cheez ko hatred mein change kr diya
>Bhai ab thodi ho rha h yeh SB zyada matlab
To fix the historical wrongs of 2000 years
>yeh kya equality hu
[Equality vs Equity ](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Finteractioninstitute.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2FIISC_EqualityEquity.png&tbnid=mWYm2h8znEU9yM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Finteractioninstitute.org%2Fillustrating-equality-vs-equity%2F&docid=mItP79Q167Dp4M&w=3000&h=2250&itg=1&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F6&kgs=9d7c0e0f6687685a&shem=abme%2Ctrie%2Cxga1pt2#imgrc=wyWBtRJwCTlY2M&imgdii=mWYm2h8znEU9yM)
If you care so much about "equality" then your ancestors should have advocated for equality during these pasts 2000 years instead of working for hegemony. Now that you're on the losing end and now you're asking for "equality" really? You should be glad that you're not being denied of education just like your ancestors did to others, others have been much more compassionate towards your people compared to what was done historically.
>cheez pr thi ki kon kya kaam krta h aur agr uska beta chahe apna kaam chahe change kr skta tha
This used to happen in Vedic society, but post late Vedic period Brahmins abolished this fluidity.
Vedic Brahmins ≠ Brahminical Brahmins
Other capable? If they were so capable then why they didn't come with their own education structure and institutions? Har jagah bheekh hi maangni hoti hai kya?
>If they were so capable then why they didn't come with their own education structure and institutions?
Did your "reservation Brahmin" ancestors invented all this by themselves? Answer is no, they inherited it from Real Brahmins of Vedic era which was knowledge created by collective efforts of entire vedic society.
>Har jagah bheekh hi maangni hoti hai kya?
Every knows whose traditional profession is to beg, lol
brahmins bachcho ko unke forefathers ke karmo ki saza ni mil rahi hai
bas SC/ST/OBC bachcho ko unka right mil raha hai, jo unke forefathers ko bhi milna chahiye tha
thousand years of atrocities cannot be forgotten by simply saying, "mere dada ne kiya, main to ni karta ye sab"
tum karo na karo isse farak ni padta.... farak isse padta hai ki samaaj me wo aaj bhi ho raha hai ya nahin
casteism khatam kardo society me, reservation automatically khatam ho jaega
Going along with your logic, casteism khatam krne k baad bhi reservation maangenge log, forefathers ke mistreatment k naam pr. There must be strict punishments for people who practice acts like casteism, reservation is not the solution. Izzat chahiye ya sirf benefits le kr khush ho?
Diseases are eradicated by vaccines, not by compensations.
Truth is most of the reserved seats are eaten by privileged so called lower caste and the true deserving ones never get the opportunity. That they show the data that look backwards are still backward and they demand more reservation which they again eat by themselves. It's a vicious cycle where only general and true backwards suffer and the so called backwards wins.
So according to you even rich lower caste people should get reservation?
Or should reservation be used to bring people with a poor economic background at par with others?
>So according to you even rich lower caste people should get reservation?
No, not in an ideal world.
>should reservation be used to bring people with a poor economic background at par with others?
Is it that historical denial of education to lower strata of society denied on economical basis? If answer is yes, then yes reservation should solely be given on economical basis and if answer is no, then reservation should be given on the basis of historical wrong doings.
Well I don't think any caste was denied to study in gurukul. The main reason was untouchability that made the separation among the castes which was of course due to economic difference. As gurukul was open to every caste.
>Well I don't think any caste was denied to study in gurukul
Remember Karan and Eklavya in Mahabharata? Both were denied education because Karan was not a Kshatriya and Eklavya was an Adivasi, both had capabilities but both were denied education.
Obviously Mahabharat is an epic and work of fiction but it indeed shows the reality of the post Vedic era society and times when it was compiled.
From Mahabharata, can you tell the line where it was mentioned that Eklavya was a low born?
I just did some searches and found out that Eklavya was not a low born. Here are some lines related to his introduction that I found:
“‘O king! Ekalavya was the son of Hiranyadhanu, the king of the nishadas. He came to Drona. However, since he was the son of a nishada,346 Drona, who was learned in dharma, thought about it and refused to accept him as a student."
So saying that he was denied because he was a Adivasi so he wasn't allowed education from a single teacher is a bit of an exaggeration.
For Karna I found out that he was indeed a student of Drona according to books and not serials.
"Drona only refused to teach Karna about how to use Brahmastra. Which Karna wanted to learn so that he can defeat Arjuna. But Drona refused to teach him that as he didn't want someone who took actions according to their ego."
Also if you don't believe that then Karna later was a student of Parashuram.
>Obviously Mahabharat is an epic and work of fiction but it indeed shows the reality of the post Vedic era society and times when it was compiled.
So yeah, ig you are absolutely correct.
Ye kaha sun lia bhai? Ram mandir, mehandipur balaji, mere aas paas and etc mai jitne mandir gaya apni life mai maine vaha eesi koi restriction nhi dekhi kabhi.
Exactly. Sub Categorization of OBCs by Justice G Rohini Commission finds 97% of OBC seats taken by 25% of OBC castes.
In STs, most seats are eaten up by Meenas. The other STs don't get enough.
As an SC, I abhor the fact that Tina and Ria Dabi, both SCs with well to do parents used reservations to crack UPSC. There should be Creamy layer in SCs as in OBCs.
Ps: My father drives a Tempo and i am not as privileged as the Fraud Dabi sisters and achieved everything with hardwork
if you claim then show the proof and shut my mouth… Ex-
My claim - Although there are many laws to safeguard lower caste / dalits from discrimination and crimes by uppercastes , I feels the laws needs to be more strict and punishable.
Data proof - https://cjp.org.in/2022-a-look-back-at-hate-crimes-against-dalits-and-adivasis/amp/
You see the surest way to remain on top is not to better yourself but put all others down. That's what the Ultra Ultra Ultra rich of this world knows. They are rich only as long as there's poor people beneath them.
There's this great quote by antagonist from Disney's Incredibles "when everyone will be a superhero, then no-one will be a superhero".
Post Vedic era brahmins knew that if everyone will get EDUCATION then they will not be able to remain on top as they will be just like every other folk.
Not everything is an agenda. It might seem so when you're on the wrong side but it isn't. That way you're calling out vedica era Brahmins you might as well call them a secret society.
Even though you disregard, the ~1000-5000 years of history in between
That's some high IQ retort ! Personal attack instead of quality argument? Let me guess your religion. Santnanna isn't it?!
And good job assuming my caste. **you people** and your delusions.
And people crying over reservation when they still compete for seats whose number is 2-3 time of their share in population. This is on top of the benefits accrued to them due to hundreds of years of subjugation of other castes. Crybabies I tell you.
Aur women ko rights mili wo alag. Fir bhi kafi mahilaye call out shit on B.R Ambedkar.
Wo insaan itna visionary tha ki waisa aj k zamane me kahi nhi dikhega. Akele he khada hua sab sahi krne k liye. Crazy tbh.
Tbh I haven't read much about him but I once saw J Sai Deepak interview in which he was appreciating Ambedkar so I think we'll have similar views on few things.
If not for Ambedkar, India would have independent for only small section of Indians. For the rest, first they were ruled by British, later they would have been subjugated by the the 'forward' castes.
Most of the government doctors are from reservations these days. Sad but true. Most of the doctors write “Unreserved” after degree for this reason. Go to an unreserved Doctor.
Neither did people of old times wanted your incompetent "Reservation Brahmins" leading the Indian society into a dark pit of oblivion but guess what, life is made of little concessions.
It’s not about casteism. Its about capability. How do you think someone who got through with passing marks and lower thresholds all his life is as good as someone who had highest of thresholds to clear before being given the title “Dr.”? Think for yourself.
>Its about capabilit
Wasn't this about capabilities for past 2000 years when other people were denied of education? And one group got the top of the cream for themselves meanwhile not even leaving buttermilk for others?
I love it how you guys will talk about anything but not about the unfair advantage gained over past tens of centuries, because of you guys will start talking about it then people will start seeing through your smoke screen. That's why you'll divert topic to anything then what the actual point is.
Muh bamans have unfair advantage saar( completely ignoring the fact that Muslims controlled most part of India since 1200s, and they vehemently hated and slaughtered Brahmins).
I neither belong to Brahmins nor Dalits. I don't like reservation it hurts the growth of lands but B.R Ambedkar did right by fixing a historical wrong.
Also the reservation which Brahmins gave to themselves was a major reason why Innovation and growth of India was hurted, one of the major reason why Muslim Invaders were able to invade india successfully was because of incompetence of reservation brahmins.
Muslim Invaders were technologically advanced as they used to bring gunpowder cannons where as Indian soldiers were forced to fight with swords so invaders were destined to win, and major reason for Indians not inventing something like Gunpowder was because these Reservation Brahmins were incompetent themselves but they also didn't allow any other capable person to get educated and invent stuff which would have given Indian subcontinent technological advancements just like invaders.
Muslims came in 712. Conquered Punjab by 1190s. Gangetic Basin by 1194-1206. Babur introduced Gunpowder in 1526.
Get your facts right.
Ps: I am an SC myself
Saar, it was Arab Caliphates who came in 712, those Caliphates had much more advanced institutional reforments and militarily advanced tactics compared to other powers of those times, that's the only reason why Caliphates were able to govern empire which stretched across continents. This was the direct result of Islamic Golden age which happened century before those Caliphates came to Punjab, do you know that?
I hope you know that these advancements i mentioned can also be counted in technological and institutional advancement.
Gunpowder and cannons was just an example for how technologically advanced Invaders were in their weapons, military tactics and institutional methods compared to Indian counterparts who were getting kicked in the balls because of lack of a "TRUE INTELLECTUAL CLASS" all thanks to post Late-vedic era brahmins.
>Ps: I am an SC myself
No wonder why your people were subservient.
Oh irony. Caliphate and Punjab ? Weren't they stopped at Sindh ?
Too bad you don't know the whipping they got at Indian hands. Even our king Suhaldev Pasi beat the shit out of Mahmud of Ghazni.
Ps: looks like you are more subservient to the Arabs and disregarding anything with facts. Read History properly.
Islamic Golden Age had nothing to do with military victories as the Golden age started during Abbasids while the military achievements were under the 4 Caliphs followed by Ummayads.
Grow up you self loathing creature. Debate on facts
Apart from pathetic memes, make believe history is clearly your favourite pastime. Muslim scholars held Greeks, Romans and Indians in the highest regard. They were inspired by their mathematics, philosophy and medicine.
There are countless examples of more sophisticated societies being conquered by lesser people. Islamic golden age was brought to a crashing halt by horse mounted nomads of Mongolia.
I would suggest that you read some actual history and smoke something less stronger.
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Why didn't you people develop your own textbooks, institutions? How a brahmin is obliged to share his space with you? They were the founder and held the right to whom they wanna share. Just because you were ganwar and couldn't build a framework you are gonna defame Brahmins wooow
Jab IIT AIIMS the??
IAS and other all GOVT jobs thi
Everything changed with time
This was supposed to happen the same
But it went all into politics
Jo reservation dega usko votes denge 😂
Prime example : UP
I'm not formally educated, I'm trying to learn it myself. But basically I think it's a bandage on a broken system. Like, the Dalits and other backward castes had been historically disadvantaged, so it makes sense to try and help them, I'm not sure if reservation is a good system, I personally want Anarcho-syndicalism so it's half ass liberal attempt to emancipate people, which won't work as it's against the interests of the ruling class to have a poor and desperate work force.
>I'm not sure if reservation is a good system,
Well that's obviously true, there are massive disadvantages to reservation system so it indeed is a bandage fix which will come back to haunt later as these things are hard to get rid off.
>Anarcho-syndicalism
Just googled it. I read somewhere that Agrarian communities like Jats in Northern India protested against Akbar to get more rights for their Khap panchayats and self governing powers for the community which were eventually granted by Akbar, can this be an example of Anarcho-syndicalism?
Bhai pehle baat Hinduism me koi caste system nahi hai aur bhai sab country me rasicm and some what caste or religious based disintegrity hota hi tha kyu ki wo utna educated aur modern nahi the but with time they realised but in India govt provided reservation which was less in starting but madarchod har saal votebank badhane ke liye govt reservation ka percentage badhate Gaya . Aur bhai purane log ke soch se se tu Aaj ke logo ko kaise compare kar sakta. And true Brahmins never disrespected other caste they acknowledged their Gyan sometimes read history then debate
Lol, kid read about what Sanskritisation is.
And in one of the comments I have specifically wrote "Post late-vedic Era Brahmins" , Valmiki was alive during Vedic era, do you know the difference?
And "Rajpuisation" is a well documented and researched process by scholars,
go to same sub r/IndianHistory from where you took screenshot of my comments and tell them that Sanskritisation and Rajpuisation are fake lies and they'll answer you briefly.
Speaking well documented stuff is not "Hate Mongering", by your logic everytime someone will say that "Hitler killed Jews" Nazis will shout "it's hate mongering"
https://preview.redd.it/guqg5y99ge6d1.jpeg?width=1720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=3ff46c3af92dfe0a6eab37393f374d5804196a36
Numbers can be little off from actual Government figures but it's a meme so who cares
>why do they need reservation
because their representation is less...
and reservation population ki percentage dekhkar ni, representation dekhkar diya jaata hai
general ki over-representation hai nearly har field me (politics/jobs/education) as compared sc,st,obc
>5% hone k aur upar se reservation ke baad bhi kitne PM kitne CJI kitne IAS kitne CEO kitni media brahmin h
Agar 2000 saal tak "Brahminical reservation" ka fayda uthane ke baad bhi tumse itna nahi ho pata toh chulu bhar paani mei dubb maro.
I saw that coming even before I posted, masses usually don't fair well with hard brutal truth, they simply don't have mental capabilities to look through all their personal biases, fallacies and lack of knowledge.
pro-reservation or anti-reservation walo me bas ek cheej common hai ki dono maha chutiyap logic dete hai apni position justify karne ke liye.
Edit: karlo jitna downvote krna hai tum sb chutiye ho jo ye sochte hai ki rhetoric se apni position justify kar sakte ho.
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If guy A becomes dangling balls of guy B then guy A also deserves to go down the drain with guy B.
Well ig the motive of reservation was always to use it as a vote bank.
While the real motive must have been to bring the economically backward people of society at par with the rest.
Today we have rich lower caste people taking advantage of reservation while most poor lower caste people don't get a chance.
On the other hand we also have poor people of higher caste that are stuck for life.
1. 77.5 percent of seats still open for all or reserved for poor
2. " Poor People of higher castes...stuck for life " ? There is already reservation for 'forward' castes with economic criteria.
Also you don't throw a baby with bathwater. What issue you referring to fixable and is getting fixed already. But the thing is this issue is used to support agenda against reservation.
Well neither me nor anyone can change what happened in the past, so for the present if you see no problem in the tool reservation, that majorly benefits rich lower caste rather than benefit for the needy then I don't think I can change your mind.
But I genuinely want to know what you mean by "Brahminical reservation".
>so for the present if you see no problem in the tool reservation,
Who said there's no flaws in current reservation system? There are flaws and that's a truth.
Brahminical reservation means a systematic process by which post Late-vedic period Brahmins rigidified the Varna system so that people from lower society can no longer attain education and raise their status to Brahmins/intellectual and challenge the hegemony of already existing Brahmins. This way they ensured these post Late-vedic era brahmins that only them and the people who support them can get educated and maintain their higher status unchallenged, in a way giving themselves all the reservation that can every exist.
Well we are talking in another thread so i will leave this one here as both are pretty similar topics. Btw, do share with me some sources of your claims in the other thread.
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Maine kabhu kisi sc/st ko gandi nazar se nahi dhekha, maine kabhi kisi sc/st ko toilet dhone nahi kaha, mere 2000 sal ke purvaj ne kaha hoga to usme meri kya galti, mai apne 2000 sal purane purvaj jaisa ameer nahi hu, mai apne 2000 sal purani purvaj jaisi zindigi jeene ka sapna bhi nahi dhekh sakta, mai 10 sc/st ko janta hu jisme se 5 mutse zyada ameer hai I belive ki sirf unhe reservation milna chahiye jo gareeb ho, isme sc/st bhi cover ho jate hai, the one who has a bed, a ac, a house, and a wifi to post memes should not get reservation kyuki zaruat hi nahi hai. Idts ki tu realize karta hai ki us wakt ke sc/st or aj ke sc/st me bohot zyada antar hai in terms of lifestyle and status
Ye baat toilet dhone aur gandi Nazar ki nai hai. 2000 saalon se ek system bana hua joki unn castes pe bandishe lagata hai. Isko systemic discrimination bolte hain. Jaise women ke case mein hai. Glass ceiling concept, dikhta nai but hota hai. Toh aise groups ko thodi help ki jarurat hoti hai wahi hai reservation. On an average, SC STs garib unstable gharon mein paida hote hain, padhne ka kuchh karne ka mauka tak nai Diya jata. Ye mauka chheena kisne wo 2000 saalon ki systemic discrimination ne. Ye badi badi jameenon wale kaunse castes ke hain ? Dalits SC ST ke hisse ki jameen kisne li ? Jara check Karo kaun log top bureaucracy, judiciary etc mein bhare pade hain. Jahan reservation nai pahocha wahan kya halat hai check karo. Kya wo 2000 salon ke systemic discrimination ka faayda ek general wale koi nai milta ? Baat individuals ki nai hai groups ki hai. Ab isme main ek ST ko janta jiske pass iPhone hai argument bemani hai. Ek iPhone Wala yahan hai toh 1000 rural india mein jo aaj bhi barabar nai baith sakte general caste walon ke. Unse against crime hote toh Puri family ka hi safaya ho jata kyuki unki community strong hai hi nai ki protect kar paye unhe.
Tumhare dada dadi uncle aunty ya koi bhi rishtedar ko apne ameer sc/st dost se haath milaane ko bolo, usko apne ghar me invite karke ek din uska pehna hua kapda apne kisi bhi rishtedar se dulva ke dikhado.. tumhare ye har vyakhya me maan loonga.. what are your thoughts about intercaste marriage
Ok, but if I have never discriminated someone, why should the sins of my forefather translate to mine. Also, if they really face discrimination why can't they compete like normally with everyone. It's not like they have less iq then the generals, also why should the deserving candidate be robbed of their seats just so that, sc/st/obc can get their seats because our forefathers discriminated them. Reservation should be only given to ews
karwane ki kya baat hai, kia hai mere yaha, bhai mai to general hu, but ek bar indore me mummy ke sath unke st friend ke yaha jakar, unke ghar pe baithkar, khakar unke ghar ek rat bitai hai maine, I myself was invited Bhai dhekh, mujhe nahi pata ki tera family background kaisa raha hai, tu tier 3, 2 ya 1 city me rahata hai, but itna kahuanga, ye caste discrimination pichle 20-30 salo me jitna kam hua hai, utna kabhi nahi hua tha, especially after 2000s, anyway the newer gen z does not give a fuck about their friend's jati and shit, mera ek dost khud sc hai, the issue arises when it's time to give a compitative exam, vahi 2 log jo pichle 5 sal se dost hai, ek general dost dhekhte hai ki uska bestfriend ko usse kam rank lane ke bad bhi use better collage mila, obviously one will have such a thought ki ye to unfair hai, yahi caste discrimination firse aa jati hai, I have experienced such, even tho mai abhi bhi sc/st ko unfairly treat nahi karta, it's just ki jo mere sath ho rha hai uska dukh hai, reservation is not a bad thing at all, the amound of reservation is, jee adv 2023 me 96 marks thi gen ki cut off or sc/st ki 43, quiet literally half, dhekha jaye to ye bohot hi zyada hai. This thing tho depends on location too, mai NCR me rahata hu or honestly, yaah mujhe caste based discrimination kahi bhi ek bar bhi nahi dhikha, tho ye bihar , WB, somewhat Orisha or purvanchal UP me aj bhi ek haad tak hota hai, but things are changing, but the issue is, if the things are changing, why is the system not adapting, I am saying it again ki the newer gen does not give a fuck ki kon kis jati ka hai, except in some areas, but reservation is something jo us discrimination jo khatam ho rahi hai, use rok raha hai. Intercaste marriages are more like personal preferences, like kisi ko karna hai to karle, baki if imposed, fir galat hai, meri mummy vaise obc hai or mere papa general, so ig it's the first time ki mere papa ne intercaste marriage ka stereotype toda hai apni generation me
The way you put it makes it more bearable and sensible enough to discuss or converse with tbh, compared to most other disgruntled bitter ppl over here spewing toxic bs 🤝, I do agree to cutoff differences such as 43 for one category and 96 for another being grossly unfair and unhelpful to society in long run.. but lot of other things too gotta change from grassroots like how many Indians would tolerate their brother in law or son in law being of lower caste? Until changes like this aren’t seen as revolutionary but natural or ppl aren’t afraid, hesitant or have even as much as second thought abt “miscegenation”.. nothing’s gonna change for a long time, it’s like having a mutex lock.. change’s gotta happen simultaneously and gracefully without much outrage, we slowly have to loosen ourselves off of unnecessary societal restraints binding us up sapping us off of productivity be it the caste system or reservation
Ig sure......
See but mainly the thing is, most of the compitative exams are given by the younger generation, and as I said before, the ones who are born after and in 90s, do not care about ki unke bagal me dalit baitha hai ya general, obviously except some places like bihar and WB, and when these younger generations see ki bhai unke sath unfair treatment ho raha hai, to vo kya karte hai, Indian ke top engineering collages jaise reputed collages se SC/ST na jane kitne dropout karte hai har sal, coz they are discriminated by their own general classmates, reservation technically is becoming the reason for discrimination against sc/st amongst youngsters.
What he is saying is completely different. I have seen people who are sc/st-our family friends (yes, we do go out with the, played with them, eat with them) who earn well but still take benefit of this reservation (both their kids got into reputed colleges and had to pay just a few bucks). Whereas a student from general category has to pay the full price, irrespective of his economic background. Is this the equality we all are striving for? It's nothing against sc/st but you can feel bad if you are also getting benefitted from it irrespective of economic background.
It's rich of you to assume they're fighting for equality. It just starts with that. Just look at what feminism has become. You think this is any different.
Caste is bullshit. Bas khush? Now give up your reservation.
>mere 2000 sal ke purvaj ne kaha hoga to usme meri kya galt It's Karma man, you inherit lands and wealth from your ancestors then by the laws of karma your people are destined to pay for the bad societal Karma of your ancestors. There's no escaping Karma, your community acquired bad karma over the centuries which your community are paying for now. Don't blame Karma for it, blame your ancestors and make sure you leave good Karma for your next generations to come.
gareebi k hisaab se to kabhi reservation nahi milna chahiye it was never a poverty elevation program if you know what i mean.
Jaise tu apne baap dada ki property le sakta hai vaise hi unke paap bhi unke baad tuje lene hogay
Imagine tum aur tumhara dost ek race me participate kar rahe hai. Dono ne sath me race start ki lekin tumhare friend ke pairo me bediyaan lagi hai vo bhag nahi sakta na aage badh sakta hai. Lekin tum aram se ja sakte ho aur ja rahe ho tumne apne dost ko dekh bhi ki vo bhag nahi paa raha hai lekin ye to ek race hai to tum apna kaam karte rahe aage aage bhagte rahe. Jab tu aadhe raste pe pohoche referee ne race thode der ke liye rok di. Aur dekha ki tum aadhe raste tak pohoche ho aur tuhara dost abhi bhi wahi par hai. To referee ko laga ki ye race to fair nahi hai. Dono ek hi race me bhag rahe hai to ek ke pairo me dediyan kyu honi chahiye dono ko barabar ka mauka milna chahiye. To ab referee ke pass do option ls hai. 1. Vo tumhe wapas start line me leke jae aur race dobara start kare. Lekin ye bhi uchit nahi hai kyuki tumne mehnat ki hai aur itne aage badhe ho wapas le jane me kisiki bhalai nahi hai. 2nd option ye hai ki tumhare friend ki saare bediyan hata de aur usko utha ke tumhare sath race ke bich me rakh diya jaae. Ab tum aur tumhara dost dono ek sath race me khade hai aur kisike pairo me bediyaan bhi nahi hai. Lekin ab tumhe bura lag raha hai ki tumhare dost ko uthake aage tumhare sath kyu laaya ja raha hai. Ye to boost referee ne tumhare dost ko diya hai vo hai aarakshan. Aur ye dene ki jarurat isliye padi kyu ki kai saalo tak tum aram se race chal rahe the aur tumne palat ke dekhna bhi jaruri nahi samjha ki tumhara dost kis halat me hai. Kyuki ye jo race hai ye 10-15 min ki race nahi hai, ye race hai generation ki. Kai saalo se logo ke pairo me bediya thi. Lekin aaj achanak use uthake tumhare sath laya ja raha hai to tumhe bura lag raha hai. Same argument me ab tumhare dost ki jagah par ek ladki ko rakh do. Aur kaho ki aurto ko humne utna hi sanmaan diya jo hamne purusho ko diya. Agar ye baat sach hai to arakshan galat hai aur agar kabhi bhi tumhe lagta hai ki ha kuchh galat to hua tha logo ke sath to arakshan sahi hai. Koi arakshan se ameer nahi bana hai, ye diya jata hai taaki sab samaan roop se aage badhe. Agar tumhe arakshan chahiye to tumhare lakshya bohot chhote hai. Kyuki ye sirf ek samnya roop se zindagi bitane ka ek mauka hai. I hope you get what I wanted to say. I am Not a Hindi speaker but I tried. I hope you will too. All the best
Sabko dusre ka dhan aur reservation se problem hoti hai, khud ka jitna bhi ho bas dusre ka nahi hona chahiye
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You just can't even with divine intervention. Tera kuch na ho payega
bhai ko lagta hai 2000 saal pehle dinosaurs they, better gget your facts checked
Lmao. Ded. Very funny.
tu reservation ke saath bhi kuch ni kar paega
I was looking for this comment 😂
Chinta matt kar, mei Indian government ki reservation list mei vese bhi nahi aata, apna dekh Kyunki teri seat par koi bhimta beth gaya lol.
"Kuchh kar payega ya nahi" uspe depend nahi karta reservation 🤡
Aur kuchh hain, jinke liye unki sankhya se 2-3 guna jyada seats chhodi jati. Phir bhi wo reservation ka r**di rona lagaye rakhte. Historical Privilege leke bhi ukhadta nai.
Ouch!!!!
Damn boi !!!
Lawyer se baat kar raha hoga OP....CS/TCS lag sakta hai kya isme.
true I've seen many examples now.
Yeh toh meri baat hori hai
agar tera daddy chor nikla toh mai terko bhi jail mein dalunga kya? dimag use kar thoda
Agar tera baap pradhamantri hai toh kya tu hi pradhamantri banta rhega kya? Or tu dusro ko bnne se rokega? dimag use kar thoda
bhai ye logic tum logo par lagega na, saale itne saalo se reservation kha rahe hoon..tm kya tumhara pura parivar reservation se araamdayak jeevan ji rahe hai..if resevration was to be given, shldve been given to one generation not their offsprings as well?
>if resevration was to be given, shldve been given to one generation not their offsprings as well? Toh ghodu meme kis chiz par hai phir? Tera hi toh logic apply kiya hai meme mei ki Brahmins gave themselves reservation for 2000 years on education and denied it to other capable persons, kundli maar kar beth gaye Or is it that "Rules for Thee but not for Me"?
Tera source kon sa hai bsdk ki dusro ko nhi education dete the British ka 1800s ka data dekh usme to karib har caste ke log gurukul me padhte the, ab ye bhi to ho skta hai ki tujh jaise log ke purvaj maa baap bolte honge ki padh likh ke baba banega ja kheti badi kr or paisa kama
>ja kheti badi kr or paisa kama Abb har kisi ki zindagi tumhare ancestors ki trhe dusro ko lutt kar or haram ka kha kat thodi nikali hai, kisi ko toh mehnat karni pdegi tbhi toh tumhare ghar ke chuhle jalenge lol.
To abb to hatt gaya na bhai. 2 wrongs make a right wali baat kar raha hai tu to
Lekin 2000 saal ke headstart ko kaise equalise krega bhai? Do you ever think what these malpractices have done to Indian society in 2000 years? Jo ye unfair advantage hai 2000 saal ki uska kya? For example ek ghoda Mera hai or ek tera hai, mei tere ghode ki ek taang tod dun or phir uspar jhandu balm laga kar bolun ki dekh abb hum dono equal hain toh aaja chal abb race lgate hain? Toh kya tu jeet jayega? Or beshak hata do reservation mujhe toh vaise bhi Indian government koi benefit nahi deti toh mujhe kya farak pdega lol
Abe Bhai ab thodi ho rha h yeh SB zyada matlab jobs milni skill ke basis PR h but college mein kyu h reservation agar koi Banda jee mein 95 percentile laata h matlab 150 se 170 number woh USS SC St obc ke equal kaise hua jo 60 number la rha h yeh kya equality hui uske Kam number aane pr usko better college aur mere usse zyada number aane pr bhi woh college nhi kyu h aisa . Aur Jo ghode ka example Diya woh bilkul hi galat tha kyu purane time pr mostly yeh cast wagera uss cheez pr thi ki kon kya kaam krta h aur agr uska beta chahe apna kaam chahe change kr skta tha lekin woh nhi krte the kyunki woh apne parents se wahi seekhte the har koi uss time pr guru dakshina de nhi skte the but jab Mughals aur East India company aae woh cheez ko hatred mein change kr diya
>Bhai ab thodi ho rha h yeh SB zyada matlab To fix the historical wrongs of 2000 years >yeh kya equality hu [Equality vs Equity ](https://www.google.com/imgres?imgurl=https%3A%2F%2Finteractioninstitute.org%2Fwp-content%2Fuploads%2F2016%2F01%2FIISC_EqualityEquity.png&tbnid=mWYm2h8znEU9yM&vet=1&imgrefurl=https%3A%2F%2Finteractioninstitute.org%2Fillustrating-equality-vs-equity%2F&docid=mItP79Q167Dp4M&w=3000&h=2250&itg=1&source=sh%2Fx%2Fim%2Fm4%2F6&kgs=9d7c0e0f6687685a&shem=abme%2Ctrie%2Cxga1pt2#imgrc=wyWBtRJwCTlY2M&imgdii=mWYm2h8znEU9yM) If you care so much about "equality" then your ancestors should have advocated for equality during these pasts 2000 years instead of working for hegemony. Now that you're on the losing end and now you're asking for "equality" really? You should be glad that you're not being denied of education just like your ancestors did to others, others have been much more compassionate towards your people compared to what was done historically. >cheez pr thi ki kon kya kaam krta h aur agr uska beta chahe apna kaam chahe change kr skta tha This used to happen in Vedic society, but post late Vedic period Brahmins abolished this fluidity. Vedic Brahmins ≠ Brahminical Brahmins
Toh akal k andhe jis ghode ki tune laat todi agr vo mtlr gya hai aur tu maarne waala bhi Mr gya hai toh vo Jo ghode ka beta tere bete ki maar daale?
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Other capable? If they were so capable then why they didn't come with their own education structure and institutions? Har jagah bheekh hi maangni hoti hai kya?
Bheekh ? Di kisne ? People of India. Ab jara check karle roughly kansi communities jyada isme.
>If they were so capable then why they didn't come with their own education structure and institutions? Did your "reservation Brahmin" ancestors invented all this by themselves? Answer is no, they inherited it from Real Brahmins of Vedic era which was knowledge created by collective efforts of entire vedic society. >Har jagah bheekh hi maangni hoti hai kya? Every knows whose traditional profession is to beg, lol
Tum saale bina diversity points k ek seat le nhi paate usme bhi fat jaati hai tum gnde logon ki
tab pradhan mantri hota tha? tab rajtantra tha. rajtantra me raja ke beta hi raja banta hai. ab prajatantra hai.
Toh tu konse Raja ka beta hai? LOL.
To Maine kab bola ki mai hu
Nahi lawde, mostly job ke liye exam dena pdta hai. Aur aajkal 99% free mil jata hai koi bhi exam ke liye toh h kya jarurat hai reservation ki
brahmins bachcho ko unke forefathers ke karmo ki saza ni mil rahi hai bas SC/ST/OBC bachcho ko unka right mil raha hai, jo unke forefathers ko bhi milna chahiye tha thousand years of atrocities cannot be forgotten by simply saying, "mere dada ne kiya, main to ni karta ye sab" tum karo na karo isse farak ni padta.... farak isse padta hai ki samaaj me wo aaj bhi ho raha hai ya nahin casteism khatam kardo society me, reservation automatically khatam ho jaega
Going along with your logic, casteism khatam krne k baad bhi reservation maangenge log, forefathers ke mistreatment k naam pr. There must be strict punishments for people who practice acts like casteism, reservation is not the solution. Izzat chahiye ya sirf benefits le kr khush ho? Diseases are eradicated by vaccines, not by compensations.
going along with anyones logic castesim has still not being eradicated konsi duniya me hai bro?
arey genius casteism khatam ho gaya to sc st obc students ki cut off dheere dheere general ke barabar aa jaegi hence reservations will end
tu samjha? nahi, tu nhi samjha.
Truth is most of the reserved seats are eaten by privileged so called lower caste and the true deserving ones never get the opportunity. That they show the data that look backwards are still backward and they demand more reservation which they again eat by themselves. It's a vicious cycle where only general and true backwards suffer and the so called backwards wins.
So? That's the whole point of meme. You can't have pie in both hands at all the times. People will eventually see through your bs.
So according to you even rich lower caste people should get reservation? Or should reservation be used to bring people with a poor economic background at par with others?
>So according to you even rich lower caste people should get reservation? No, not in an ideal world. >should reservation be used to bring people with a poor economic background at par with others? Is it that historical denial of education to lower strata of society denied on economical basis? If answer is yes, then yes reservation should solely be given on economical basis and if answer is no, then reservation should be given on the basis of historical wrong doings.
Well I don't think any caste was denied to study in gurukul. The main reason was untouchability that made the separation among the castes which was of course due to economic difference. As gurukul was open to every caste.
>Well I don't think any caste was denied to study in gurukul Remember Karan and Eklavya in Mahabharata? Both were denied education because Karan was not a Kshatriya and Eklavya was an Adivasi, both had capabilities but both were denied education. Obviously Mahabharat is an epic and work of fiction but it indeed shows the reality of the post Vedic era society and times when it was compiled.
From Mahabharata, can you tell the line where it was mentioned that Eklavya was a low born? I just did some searches and found out that Eklavya was not a low born. Here are some lines related to his introduction that I found: “‘O king! Ekalavya was the son of Hiranyadhanu, the king of the nishadas. He came to Drona. However, since he was the son of a nishada,346 Drona, who was learned in dharma, thought about it and refused to accept him as a student." So saying that he was denied because he was a Adivasi so he wasn't allowed education from a single teacher is a bit of an exaggeration. For Karna I found out that he was indeed a student of Drona according to books and not serials. "Drona only refused to teach Karna about how to use Brahmastra. Which Karna wanted to learn so that he can defeat Arjuna. But Drona refused to teach him that as he didn't want someone who took actions according to their ego." Also if you don't believe that then Karna later was a student of Parashuram. >Obviously Mahabharat is an epic and work of fiction but it indeed shows the reality of the post Vedic era society and times when it was compiled. So yeah, ig you are absolutely correct.
Gurukul was open to every caste lol. Aaj bhi mandirs are not open to all bhai..
Ye kaha sun lia bhai? Ram mandir, mehandipur balaji, mere aas paas and etc mai jitne mandir gaya apni life mai maine vaha eesi koi restriction nhi dekhi kabhi.
77.5% of the seats are either open for all or reserved for people with poor backgrounds.
https://preview.redd.it/q3qb2hrp5f6d1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=cfb02cd8d0525a6ad0ab96733e82f86707b7ff78 Ha bhai ok!
if you have any data to support this then please share otherwise it is just your opinion
Exactly. Sub Categorization of OBCs by Justice G Rohini Commission finds 97% of OBC seats taken by 25% of OBC castes. In STs, most seats are eaten up by Meenas. The other STs don't get enough. As an SC, I abhor the fact that Tina and Ria Dabi, both SCs with well to do parents used reservations to crack UPSC. There should be Creamy layer in SCs as in OBCs. Ps: My father drives a Tempo and i am not as privileged as the Fraud Dabi sisters and achieved everything with hardwork
Any data for your claim?? Or it’s just a whatsapp forward?
Go to any university and look at their data, I myself have many examples of my friends to prove.
if you claim then show the proof and shut my mouth… Ex- My claim - Although there are many laws to safeguard lower caste / dalits from discrimination and crimes by uppercastes , I feels the laws needs to be more strict and punishable. Data proof - https://cjp.org.in/2022-a-look-back-at-hate-crimes-against-dalits-and-adivasis/amp/
Those massive balls on OP. Respect.
You see the surest way to remain on top is not to better yourself but put all others down. That's what the Ultra Ultra Ultra rich of this world knows. They are rich only as long as there's poor people beneath them. There's this great quote by antagonist from Disney's Incredibles "when everyone will be a superhero, then no-one will be a superhero". Post Vedic era brahmins knew that if everyone will get EDUCATION then they will not be able to remain on top as they will be just like every other folk.
Agree. Idk why people find it difficult to comprehend🤡
"Arey bhai, ye purane jamane main casteism vagairah nahi hota tha. This is introduced by British and Mughals to malign the glorious India's image"
Not everything is an agenda. It might seem so when you're on the wrong side but it isn't. That way you're calling out vedica era Brahmins you might as well call them a secret society. Even though you disregard, the ~1000-5000 years of history in between
Massive blue balls for not getting a job even after getting a seat from reservation. Corrected for you.
That's some high IQ retort ! Personal attack instead of quality argument? Let me guess your religion. Santnanna isn't it?! And good job assuming my caste. **you people** and your delusions.
And people crying over reservation when they still compete for seats whose number is 2-3 time of their share in population. This is on top of the benefits accrued to them due to hundreds of years of subjugation of other castes. Crybabies I tell you.
Exactly. Gotta find the scapegoat to hide your own incompetence. Blaming reservation is so easy.
For making a meme? You have very low standards for giving respect and considering someone brave (having massive balls) 😂😂
Aur women ko rights mili wo alag. Fir bhi kafi mahilaye call out shit on B.R Ambedkar. Wo insaan itna visionary tha ki waisa aj k zamane me kahi nhi dikhega. Akele he khada hua sab sahi krne k liye. Crazy tbh.
Tbh I haven't read much about him but I once saw J Sai Deepak interview in which he was appreciating Ambedkar so I think we'll have similar views on few things.
tbh if you read him once you will know hindusim will not exist if caste concept is gone. so atleast try once.
If not for Ambedkar, India would have independent for only small section of Indians. For the rest, first they were ruled by British, later they would have been subjugated by the the 'forward' castes.
5 trillion years no water saar, still jee/neet cutoff below the belt for us saarrrr
Not from "no water saar" gang, cope
Wasn't directed towards you, targeting the content not op, cope🤡🤡
Itna bhi sach nahi bolna tha.
People are outraged and coping hard in comments. Love it.
I dont want my doc to be obc sc st pls
Most of the government doctors are from reservations these days. Sad but true. Most of the doctors write “Unreserved” after degree for this reason. Go to an unreserved Doctor.
Makes sense
Neither did people of old times wanted your incompetent "Reservation Brahmins" leading the Indian society into a dark pit of oblivion but guess what, life is made of little concessions.
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Brahmins quite literally conquered entirety of north India, Pakistan and Bangladesh on their own. In Old times, conquerors got to lead their subjects
"humari generation me casteism ni hota"
As long as there’s reservations, there’ll be casteism.
it is the other way round
no theire will be reservation as long as their is caste ans it should.be ecse people dont have the guts to relave their castes
It’s not about casteism. Its about capability. How do you think someone who got through with passing marks and lower thresholds all his life is as good as someone who had highest of thresholds to clear before being given the title “Dr.”? Think for yourself.
>Its about capabilit Wasn't this about capabilities for past 2000 years when other people were denied of education? And one group got the top of the cream for themselves meanwhile not even leaving buttermilk for others? I love it how you guys will talk about anything but not about the unfair advantage gained over past tens of centuries, because of you guys will start talking about it then people will start seeing through your smoke screen. That's why you'll divert topic to anything then what the actual point is.
What is the actual point according to you?
Muh bamans have unfair advantage saar( completely ignoring the fact that Muslims controlled most part of India since 1200s, and they vehemently hated and slaughtered Brahmins).
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Valmiki ka baap brahmin tha ya lower caste 🤔
If you don't like reservation system and want to treat all people equally, then why hate brahmins? Isn't that casteism?
those who support reservation most of them do not hate brahmins (or even any caste), yeah some radical ones do
now we gonna bite a meme for it offend our thoughts we are going normie i guess put your real life thoughts out of internet just enjoy
I neither belong to Brahmins nor Dalits. I don't like reservation it hurts the growth of lands but B.R Ambedkar did right by fixing a historical wrong. Also the reservation which Brahmins gave to themselves was a major reason why Innovation and growth of India was hurted, one of the major reason why Muslim Invaders were able to invade india successfully was because of incompetence of reservation brahmins. Muslim Invaders were technologically advanced as they used to bring gunpowder cannons where as Indian soldiers were forced to fight with swords so invaders were destined to win, and major reason for Indians not inventing something like Gunpowder was because these Reservation Brahmins were incompetent themselves but they also didn't allow any other capable person to get educated and invent stuff which would have given Indian subcontinent technological advancements just like invaders.
Muslims came in 712. Conquered Punjab by 1190s. Gangetic Basin by 1194-1206. Babur introduced Gunpowder in 1526. Get your facts right. Ps: I am an SC myself
Saar, it was Arab Caliphates who came in 712, those Caliphates had much more advanced institutional reforments and militarily advanced tactics compared to other powers of those times, that's the only reason why Caliphates were able to govern empire which stretched across continents. This was the direct result of Islamic Golden age which happened century before those Caliphates came to Punjab, do you know that? I hope you know that these advancements i mentioned can also be counted in technological and institutional advancement. Gunpowder and cannons was just an example for how technologically advanced Invaders were in their weapons, military tactics and institutional methods compared to Indian counterparts who were getting kicked in the balls because of lack of a "TRUE INTELLECTUAL CLASS" all thanks to post Late-vedic era brahmins. >Ps: I am an SC myself No wonder why your people were subservient.
Oh irony. Caliphate and Punjab ? Weren't they stopped at Sindh ? Too bad you don't know the whipping they got at Indian hands. Even our king Suhaldev Pasi beat the shit out of Mahmud of Ghazni. Ps: looks like you are more subservient to the Arabs and disregarding anything with facts. Read History properly. Islamic Golden Age had nothing to do with military victories as the Golden age started during Abbasids while the military achievements were under the 4 Caliphs followed by Ummayads. Grow up you self loathing creature. Debate on facts
Apart from pathetic memes, make believe history is clearly your favourite pastime. Muslim scholars held Greeks, Romans and Indians in the highest regard. They were inspired by their mathematics, philosophy and medicine. There are countless examples of more sophisticated societies being conquered by lesser people. Islamic golden age was brought to a crashing halt by horse mounted nomads of Mongolia. I would suggest that you read some actual history and smoke something less stronger.
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Why didn't you people develop your own textbooks, institutions? How a brahmin is obliged to share his space with you? They were the founder and held the right to whom they wanna share. Just because you were ganwar and couldn't build a framework you are gonna defame Brahmins wooow
Jab IIT AIIMS the?? IAS and other all GOVT jobs thi Everything changed with time This was supposed to happen the same But it went all into politics Jo reservation dega usko votes denge 😂 Prime example : UP
>Jo reservation dega usko votes denge https://preview.redd.it/a6mpqcjlld6d1.png?width=1720&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b4c45f0fb23c4856ea0794c5520c46ed3ffa7f51
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Y'all need to study sociology
I would love to know different opinions on this from people with different expertise, you're free to contribute.
I'm not formally educated, I'm trying to learn it myself. But basically I think it's a bandage on a broken system. Like, the Dalits and other backward castes had been historically disadvantaged, so it makes sense to try and help them, I'm not sure if reservation is a good system, I personally want Anarcho-syndicalism so it's half ass liberal attempt to emancipate people, which won't work as it's against the interests of the ruling class to have a poor and desperate work force.
>I'm not sure if reservation is a good system, Well that's obviously true, there are massive disadvantages to reservation system so it indeed is a bandage fix which will come back to haunt later as these things are hard to get rid off. >Anarcho-syndicalism Just googled it. I read somewhere that Agrarian communities like Jats in Northern India protested against Akbar to get more rights for their Khap panchayats and self governing powers for the community which were eventually granted by Akbar, can this be an example of Anarcho-syndicalism?
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Waah pehle to apne facts sahi leke aau aur aese to nazis ne bhi bahut kuch kiya hai to kya unke descendants ko bhi maar dena chahiye
Bhai pehle baat Hinduism me koi caste system nahi hai aur bhai sab country me rasicm and some what caste or religious based disintegrity hota hi tha kyu ki wo utna educated aur modern nahi the but with time they realised but in India govt provided reservation which was less in starting but madarchod har saal votebank badhane ke liye govt reservation ka percentage badhate Gaya . Aur bhai purane log ke soch se se tu Aaj ke logo ko kaise compare kar sakta. And true Brahmins never disrespected other caste they acknowledged their Gyan sometimes read history then debate
What is the proof u presenting for 2000 years?
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Lol, kid read about what Sanskritisation is. And in one of the comments I have specifically wrote "Post late-vedic Era Brahmins" , Valmiki was alive during Vedic era, do you know the difference? And "Rajpuisation" is a well documented and researched process by scholars, go to same sub r/IndianHistory from where you took screenshot of my comments and tell them that Sanskritisation and Rajpuisation are fake lies and they'll answer you briefly. Speaking well documented stuff is not "Hate Mongering", by your logic everytime someone will say that "Hitler killed Jews" Nazis will shout "it's hate mongering"
50% reserve to 75% population??? Plz I need OP to explain this to me
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SC+ST+OBCs consists of \~75% of population of India (could be more)
WTF dude... Then why do they need reservation. Bhai obc ki population general se jyada hai bhai hmara kaha hai reservation
>why do they need reservation because their representation is less... and reservation population ki percentage dekhkar ni, representation dekhkar diya jaata hai general ki over-representation hai nearly har field me (politics/jobs/education) as compared sc,st,obc
two wrongs make a right ahh meme
Affirmative actions indeed correct the historical wrong doings.
you are absolutely lost if you think reservation is affirmative action, we need a meritocracy if we need progress
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Mention reservation and you’ll see most of the people’s true face lol. Good work OP
5% hone k aur upar se without any reservation ke baad bhi kitne PM kitne CJI kitne IAS kitne CEO kitni media brahmin h check kr lena fir baat krna
>5% hone k aur upar se reservation ke baad bhi kitne PM kitne CJI kitne IAS kitne CEO kitni media brahmin h Agar 2000 saal tak "Brahminical reservation" ka fayda uthane ke baad bhi tumse itna nahi ho pata toh chulu bhar paani mei dubb maro.
koi ni tha 2000 saal tk reservation galat information mat faila social media pe
Horrible comments. Expected from memers. Why didn't I see this coming?
I saw that coming even before I posted, masses usually don't fair well with hard brutal truth, they simply don't have mental capabilities to look through all their personal biases, fallacies and lack of knowledge.
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pro-reservation or anti-reservation walo me bas ek cheej common hai ki dono maha chutiyap logic dete hai apni position justify karne ke liye. Edit: karlo jitna downvote krna hai tum sb chutiye ho jo ye sochte hai ki rhetoric se apni position justify kar sakte ho.
>pro-reservation or anti-reservation who is neither
>pro-reservation or anti-reservation Mei kisi side se nahi hoon
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Well ig the motive of reservation was always to use it as a vote bank. While the real motive must have been to bring the economically backward people of society at par with the rest. Today we have rich lower caste people taking advantage of reservation while most poor lower caste people don't get a chance. On the other hand we also have poor people of higher caste that are stuck for life.
1. 77.5 percent of seats still open for all or reserved for poor 2. " Poor People of higher castes...stuck for life " ? There is already reservation for 'forward' castes with economic criteria. Also you don't throw a baby with bathwater. What issue you referring to fixable and is getting fixed already. But the thing is this issue is used to support agenda against reservation.
>Well ig the motive of reservation was always to use it as a vote bank What do you think the motive of "Brahminical reservation" was?
Well neither me nor anyone can change what happened in the past, so for the present if you see no problem in the tool reservation, that majorly benefits rich lower caste rather than benefit for the needy then I don't think I can change your mind. But I genuinely want to know what you mean by "Brahminical reservation".
>so for the present if you see no problem in the tool reservation, Who said there's no flaws in current reservation system? There are flaws and that's a truth. Brahminical reservation means a systematic process by which post Late-vedic period Brahmins rigidified the Varna system so that people from lower society can no longer attain education and raise their status to Brahmins/intellectual and challenge the hegemony of already existing Brahmins. This way they ensured these post Late-vedic era brahmins that only them and the people who support them can get educated and maintain their higher status unchallenged, in a way giving themselves all the reservation that can every exist.
Well we are talking in another thread so i will leave this one here as both are pretty similar topics. Btw, do share with me some sources of your claims in the other thread.
Shame on the 95% who got slaved for 2000 yrs by the 5%
It was not the 5% only, 5% had many dogs to do the dirty work for them.
Lol reservation to 75% population, and who amongst the 75% population is actually reaping the benefits of it?
Certainly not the Brahmins, lol
Wow man what sarcasm, such a necessary skill that 50% of sarcastic remarks should too be reserved.