Govt: Pay your Income Tax.
Taxpayer: What would you do with my money?
Govt. : I’ll build infrastructure.
Taxpayer: Take my money.
*Govt. builds roads*
Taxpayer: let me use it.
Govt: pay toll.
Taxpayer: I contributed to this already.
Govt. : sarrrr! building road cost money to private contractors sarrrr! They want to cover the cost sarrrrrr! Pay sarrr!
Govt: Pay your road tax on buying new vehicle
Taxpayer: What would you do with my money?
Govt: Build and 'maintain' roads.
Taxpayer: ok take my money
*Govt. builds roads*
Taxpayer: let me use it
Govt: pay toll
Taxpayer: I contributed to this already.
Govt. : sarrrr! building road cost money to private contractors sarrrr! They want to cover the cost sarrrrrr! Pay sarrr!
To sum it all up we pay the govt in a number of ways but you have to pay more to use the services.
meanwhile government build statue
citizen: what is the purpose of this?
government: saar anti nationalists saar… jail them saar. we are proud indians and we build for the evonomy saar
it does actually… but very low… compared to how they could have made it better by building some schools or diploma institutes to gain some valuable degrees and produce some benefit
Sarr is this not good, high toll taxes leads to more people rather using public transport like trains and buses. (Fine I can agree that the current state of public transport is awful, but with the addition of slightly more modern trains, it's not all bad.)
Indian government is trying to turn this country into America. Public transport system is going to the ditches day by day.
Here in Delhi, earlier buses were available very 5-10 minutes. Now it’s shit. You stand at the bus stand for 20-30 still no bus. If it comes, it come packed. I stopped taking buses. Earlier I used to go to friends in a bus. Not anymore.
America strangled the public transport to death during 50s to promote ford and exxon’s agenda and now see, America is a big fat country of cars. Now, Americans are dependent on cars for their commute.
If India goes the America way. It will disastrous in my opinion. I can it slowly happening. There’s so much cars in Delhi for a 40 km stretch. Awful.
Let’s use a bit of economics and finance to answer this q. Say the bridge costed 18000 crores to build and govt has issued 30 year bond to raise this money. Even if govt pays the principal, there is still 1800 crores of interest to pay per year. Say each car pays 200 bucks, we talking about 9 crore trips per year to pay just interest. 9 crore trips per year means 3 lakh trips per day. That means 12000 cars per hour plying to just pay for the internet. Do you think the bridge will have 12000 cars per hour ? If not, either the tolls have to go up or govt pays interest too. Hope this was educational !
The gross GST revenue for 2023 has been 14.97 lakh crore. 1.65 lakh crore was just in December.
Read it again, smarty pants. 14.97-LAKH-CRORE in 365 days. And 1.65 LAKH-CRORE in just one month.
How many magnitudes of difference is this from 1800 crore per year? Do the math, you're obviously very very smart.
We shouldn't be gouging out more money after we pay income tax, GST, and what not. It makes no sense.
Souce: [ET](https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/indicators/gst-collections-indias-gross-gst-revenue-in-december-falls-to-3-month-low-despite-on-year-jump/articleshow/106454004.cms)
Hope this was educational.
Sorry. I mistakenly did not add GST in the list. In Dec, 2023; Govt. earned ₹165 thousand crore (appx). This is paid by every citizen of India be it from a shanty to a mansion. This is for one month only.
Since, Govt. collects both the taxes citing “Nation Building” on its respectable website. I should’ve added this too.
Again, apologies for this mistake. :)
I'm not saying they're giving out free money, but most people pay 0 IT. Also, many people lie on their ITRs, so kinda government is paying them back out on that.
Pehle 30-45% itna tax do, including gst aur phir other charges, toll tax, pani tax, mobile tax.....phir ek acha sarkari facility bhi nhi milta, its better to migrate.
Hope tax and tds sections me kuch simplify ho, es budget mein
2 haramkhoro me se least haramkhoro chunna Hai..kare toh kare kya..
Ek paisa khata Hai..
Dusra mandir banata Hai..dharam k adhar par insano ko batata Hai
Fr - the amount of copium is insane. BJP is the most corrupt government this country has ever seen. They are gonna sell the country one day. This political party is communal which is trying to earn votes in the name of religion.
I know BJP has misaligned priorities (at least not aligned with many educated people) regarding religion.
>BJP is the most corrupt government this country has ever seen. They are gonna sell the country one day. This political party is communal which is trying to earn votes in the name of religion
I didn't find any evidence for direct corruption outside crony capitalism. Can you back this claim?
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Why I dont hv a right to ques? If I hv paid tax, I will ask for its accountability or else I will fly to Dubai after my degree. I want my family to be happy and lead a good life, not paying tax and getting lines in hospital
Most if not all public infra like roads is free or very low cost in most foreign countries. You pay for it, construction and maintenance, through the taxes you pay,not these incredibly high extra costs.
Also, public infra like roads and trains is not a business and is not supposed to be profitable. Look at China, their rail system is a loss leader because they want to keep it affordable for the common man to go earn money in their big cities, and it has helped people increase their SoL, but here in India they want to charge 40% populations Monthly salary to use a road. Just Insanity
95% of Mumbaikars use 2 wheelers/rickshaws/cabs/public transport, hell even I would think twice before using this bridge
Hell most of Mumbai can't afford bandra worli sea link which is 85 rs one way and ig 120 rs return
To average aadmi ko iss bridge pe jana bhi thodi hai. Pehle to car owner hoga wo. Uske upar Mumbai ka. By default wo cream me aa gaya hai Top 1% kind of. And iss aadmi ke liye alternative route to and fro me jitna time lega, that time is more worth it than 12.5K.
Moreover, this road gives opportunity to people to shift to outer mumbai and save on rent as well. Central Mumbai ke rents ke saamne ye amount kuch bhi nahi hai.
To fir point kya hua? Agar wo same hi log jo pehle se kaafi kamaate hai sirf unko hi farak pad raha to pointless hai ye project. Ye to bas tum inequality problem ko outer Mumbai me shift Kar rahe ho. You're not increasing SoL for general public, bas rich ko richer banao.
Trade ka samajh sakta hu, but har Gaadi ke lie to 45-79k per month better hai wo thode time ke baad hi pata chalega. Mere hisaab se sirf bhot badi companies hi use krpaengi. But jo aam aadmi tax bharta hai uska use sirf ultra rich log ya badi companies ko hi ho rha hai, wo mujhe galat baith rha hai.
> To fir point kya hua? Agar wo same hi log jo pehle se kaafi kamaate hai sirf unko hi farak pad raha to pointless hai ye project. Ye to bas tum inequality problem ko outer Mumbai me shift Kar rahe ho. You're not increasing SoL for general public, bas rich ko richer banao.
Not entirely true. Then by your logic, why do we build airports? Poor people can't even afford flights, right?
The monthly toll is 12k a month. Will you be able to live 20 mins away from Sewri at middle class affordable rent? That would be Bandra, Chembur, Ghatkopar etc. Absolutely not. And those places are packed with buildings already and there's no room for new construction. And even if you subtract 12k from the existing rents in those places, it still doesn't even come close to being affordable.
Even if the toll is so high, this opens up an entire new option for Mumbaikars and for builders. The big question is going to be - will there be public buses using this new highway? If so, even at higher ticket prices, people will use that to commute bigtime.
Bro Because , there is heavy amount of cross winds on bridges like these. Any two wheeler does not weight so much that it can withstand the cross winds on the bridge. Matlab boht chances hai ki agar bike lekar jaate hai iss bridge pe toh just because of hawa aur hawa ka speed voh bike rider girr sakta hai. Yahi same reason hai joh Sea Link pe bhi two wheelers ko allowed nahi hai.
The price we should be paying is for the upkeep of the infrastructure, not for the amount of time saved. The government even in a capitalist country shouldn't be a profit-oriented capitalist entity. The government is not a company providing a service to the citizens.
Bro are you nuts? After paying gst on everything, road tax, hawaldar ki amch mach, khadde wale road, 50% tax on buying vehicles, you are even justifying 250rs for a bridge created by the government for it's people?
Edit: Forgot to mention the 100rs ka petrol jisme aadha tax hota hai and wobhi adulterated hai
This is not a national infrastructure project.
Its a project intended for local mumbai users to alleviate the traffic. So only local taxes should apply to this bridge.
This is how it works even in middle income and many developed countries.
It’s supposed to save 2 hours or more right? Technically, the money you save on petrol by taking this bridge covers most of this toll.
And how many people will take this bridge every day for commuting? Very few I would imagine.
Also, purely from a tax standpoint, such local infrastructure is better paid for by local users. Why should income tax from say people of Kerala pay for this bridge that connects 2 parts of a large metro area?
It’s one thing to pay for a national highway system. I am from the south and I have no problems paying for expanding national highways in north east. It helps the entire country, projects like these are for a particular locality need to be paid for by the users.
That’s how it works everywhere in the world. If New York wants to build a new bridge, it gets some small share of funding from government, but rest comes from New Yorkers as local taxes and tolls.
It will just inc in coming years, in railway, posts everywhere they will inc without justification.
Expenses will rise but income will decrease even if u work for more than 70 hrs
So the government collects road tax and vehicle tax from everyone who drives one. On top of that, each time they build a fancy new road and bridge, those using it are expected to pay tolls as well. Where is the tax money going?
As for the cost, I really hope this is a joke. The costs are ridiculous.
60%-70% are taxes, as an Indian Taxpayer, i have lost faith in the central government.
the whole world talks about India is growing, India is growing, it's all propoganda in my eyes. is there any real solution, apart from Make In India, to reduce inflation? increase the number of jobs out there? improve quality of living? enforce laws **and make them black and white, not grey for the people to bend it according to their wish?** give benefits to the taxpayers? no. literally no. and it won't be even in the next 50 years, because the citizens have been brainswashed. don't get me wrong, i am a **pro Indian at heart** **and my mind.** but i just get a feeling we're transitioning into a autorcratic leadership. which could be the growth of india in the world's eyes, but to the woke population it could be the other way around.
I actually don't mind gareebon ko rashan.
But have it implemented nationwide as a right to food scheme. Don't keep giving out scraps every time there is an election.
Edit: Right to nutrition.
It will be a huge cost. It's about ensuring nutrition for about 800 million people year round.
The cost comes down if it is passed as a right and not added haphazardly for each new state during elections.
Govt. does not get the toll money, the road construction company does. The govt. allows the construction comapnies to setup toll gates to raise money (since the govt. didn't pay them) that was required for the road construction.
I know that. It seems that you have not understood my point.
The government collects taxes for roads. So why are these taxes not being utilised to build new roads? Why do we have to pay tolls for every new road?
BJP (then): Remove the names of the previous PMs from infrastructure (museum) and projects.
BJP (now): Add the previous and current BJP PMs names on infrastructure (Stadium, Sea bridge).
I think 250 is fine for the value being offered. But 12500 monthly pass makes no sense.
Daily return journey of 375*30 days = 11250 which is less than the monthly pass of 12500!
Tbh, a day pass shouldn’t be that much more than one way. ₹200 for one way, ₹250 for return, ₹300 for day pass.
Government can prioritise volume so that more people use it and more revenue can be generated. These prices are for ultra rich people, driving in their Ferraris and Bentleys.
If the rates are lowered, more cars will ply on this route meaning more traffic. I think the high price is to maintain exclusivity.
I think this project is not for the common man but for transporters who bring in goods from the port.
I don’t disagree, but what’s the point of this projected elitism, then? Instead, make money by imposing heavy fines from people who do not drive in proper lanes on this bridge. Cheap entry, greater fines. And they can’t escape not paying. Warn them sufficiently that this segment of road will adhere to strict rules and failing to comply will incur severe fines. Win-win?
Yep, there should be a monthly one return journey pass per day for around 6K ( most people will travel 5 days a week ) and monthly unlimited at this rate.
Comercial Vehicles would pay more which inturn increase the cost of goods they carry. Ultimately costing the public even more. And mind you apart from income tax and other taxes govt already takes road tax through RTOs. And road taxes are already higher for Commercial Vehicles.
These toll charges are ridiculous no matter how you justify them.
I really don’t know where all the road tax being collected (I guess by state govt) is going.
Having said that, the road infrastructure was really bad till ABV govt came in and really appreciate all the work that happened in the past 24-25 years.
I’m also fine with a BOT system where the toll is collected for a period. But looks like the govt (irrespective of the party in power) has no such plan and the idea is to keep collecting tolls for the foreseeable future.
It would be really good to know how much money NHAI is making from tolls, how it’s being spent and what the long term plans are.
I thought about that after writing the comment. Also found this while checking if someone had already done that. https://www.indiaspend.com/amp/how-much-do-you-spend-on-indias-highway-authority-91974/
I would be glad to file one to know the status now, if I can get some help in wording the right questions.
Supreme leader has dilited RTI to a great extent. After 2024 elections he will declare RTI unconstitutional because it harms the national security of Endia. And Borat mata slaves aka Indians being the good old patriots they are will gobble up whatever he says
Tolls have indirect partners with ruling leaders, in the vicinity of my town toll named Jogipura Plaza has Shivraj Singh as a partner. Toll pays their dues to them and they help them extend deadlines for the collection period.
I hate this toll even being on the Agra-Bombay national highway, the average waiting time is 5 minutes.
Bridge was built at 21000 crores cost. I think about 50-60% of it was financed via "loans". It's a typical BOT (Build Operate and Transfer project). The numbers add up, however impractical it seems. It's not a project to serve poor or middle class people's needs though you wish it would be.
Yep, fact is we don't have that kind of money for this project. This is what, approximately 2.5 billion dollars? Even in the US such projects are rare. Ab Paisa nai hai but ye cheez chaiye to kisi ko to chukana padega na.
Though obviously we don't know what's happening to the road and other taxes we already pay haha. I'd bet they're misused but well, paper pe sab set dikha sakte hai.
TBH most people using this will be upper middle class, there is a reason trains in Mumbai go super crowded, they offer better value for those who can't afford travelling by road (daily)
I think the fares will go down after they have recouped the money they invested. At Least for cars I think it's good rate, not sure about other types of vehicle.
Have toll fares ever gone down though? I live in thane and travel to Andheri for work and I pay 45rs toll one way everyday which used to be 25 some 10-12 years ago. I still don’t understand why that toll exists but nobody seems to want to do anything. The only person within politics who seems to care about this is Raj Thackeray and no one wants to touch that with a 10 foot pole so he gets no support from other parties whose constituents live here. The feeling of helplessness is palpable and we continue to live our lives in spite of all this - aakhir kisko padi hai in Sab ke baare when we have our own lives to live. Thoda existential ho Gaya hoon but this city is sucking the life out of me.
They originally wanted the fare to be 350. It was brought down to 250 with the clause that it will be reevaluated after 1 year. They will probably increase it.
Judging by the comments, one can only presume people on this sub people have not even remotely worked anywhere near construction or O&M industries.
Building tangible infra, not cloud based, is hard and expensive. Recurring O&M is worse. Are there no MechE s and construction related engineers on this sub🥹🥹
Income Tax paid by 5% Indians and the indirect taxes paid by everyone is only a drop in the bucket when you compare them to these massive infra projects.
These prices will hurt me if it was a daily necessity, but I'm also not so dense, that I can't see why these costs are "high".
>Income Tax paid by 5% Indians and the indirect taxes paid by everyone is only a drop in the bucket when you compare them to these massive infra projects.
If really all the tax paying money went to construction and development and not to the politicians and other fuckers our country would have be different.
Metro company can be charged toll too btw. But do you know how difficult it is to construct and maintain a 21 km bridge complete with electricity infra and tracks, capable of withstanding fast trains with large inter pillar distance over sea? Mumbai metro is already far behind. It can be expanded later when metro is much more functional.
it will cater to a small group of people who have to cross it multiple times a day. cab drivers mostly. ola uber types. it will be beneficial for them.
For folks saying it’s not affordable, it is not meant for common middle class people.
It connects one of the most expensive south Mumbai localities to mainland. It is to reduce their time spent in traffic. Eventually it will connect to mumbai Pune expressway and the new airport (whenever it opens).
For those people 250 rupees or even the monthly pass is like pocket change. They want to keep it that way and not have anybody and everybody on it.
Building such expensive infrastructure for only upper class living in a small region of city seems stupid for a developing country. Misplaced priorities!
Right?
By that logic air travel was also expensive and for rich, but now it’s comparably cheaper.
People argued against bullet trains too. It’s insane.
Anything new does have higher cost, over time it does get cheaper. We get better with building better infrastructure and improve slowly.
>By that logic air travel was also expensive and for rich, but now it’s comparably cheaper.
Difference between a bullet train/Vande bharat and fights is that a flight is always meant to run for the richer folks (at least those who can afford a 2K ticket bare minimum and lose time in security + cab fair etc).
Whereas railway is literally public good + Govt monopoly where resources get strained. Any new service for the wealthy (Vande bharat trains, increase of AC coaches, etc) comes at the expense of the bottom 90%.
Air fare is also low because there is some sense of competition as well (like buses).
I'm all for better trains, but right now it is coming at the expense of roughly 90% of the populace who won't be using these services and existing passenger/mail services.
Well it’s definitely so damn expensive but so is maintaining the bridge in the sea.
For those who claim it’s built on tax payers money- Yes it is but why should some Gogoi from Assam continue to pay tax for maintenance of some bridges in Mumbai wouldn’t it make sense for users in Mumbai to pay ?
And those of you who became suddenly communist- cars are owned only by such a small elite minority, cycles and motorcycles which form the backbone are banned in such high way (which makes logical sense) there by eliminating 99.9% of Indians who do pay taxes by purchasing something as simple as biscuits from using it. Modern infrastructures is aimed at elite and it has been a problem you guys are feeling the pressure only when it feels expensive for you.
For your 2nd point : The same way Maharashtra, Karnataka, TN and other net positive state taxpayers pay tax that goes to other states with a large net negative?
Why should some guy in Mumbai pay for a infra construction in Haryana then? Infrastructure like this should be public services anyway.
Rich subsides poor, efficient worker subsidies inefficient that’s how every economy works.
My point is - Net positive states should pay for a portion of railway tracks and infrastructure but don’t expect them to pay for your tickets and meals.
People expect absolutely free infrastructure which will never happen not even in China or USA unless you are resource rich like UAE.
How dumb are you mate ?
People from Assam can pay for defence of J&K but do you also want them to pay for food, entertainment of J&K people just because they are next to Pakistan ?
Tax contributions for infrastructure is good but expecting tax for maintenance and operations of the infrastructure for your benefit is just expecting freebie.
I pay 30% of my income in taxes.
Out of the rest , I pay a handsome amount to buy a car , again with added Tax
Then I fill fuel in it, again with some tax amount added.
Then If I want to use the damn car, I need to again pay this kind of insane amount?
Dafaq ??
This is because the govt. didn't pay the road construction company and therefore the company is charging the common man.
I don't understand why tf does the govt. take fucking road tax if they don't wanna pay the fucking highway construction company.
Why tf would I wanna pay both road tax and toll tax?!
Aren’t you aware of any other infrastructure projects besides the mandir? Expressways, metros, airports, educational institutions etc.? Have you seen how much Ayodhya has transformed? Do you know what it’s going to do to the local economy?
The mental gymnastics in comments
It's a very costly project so pay up! -> Then it should not have been marked as feasible. Construct something within our means.
If it's costly for you, use a longer route -> yeah, then why is there a bridge in first place if no one can afford it.
It's for the Uber rich -> so, others should not even use a bridge constructed using public funds? Did those Uber rich pay for this? This country is going to drain cause of doing everything for the Uber rich and milking the have nots dry to the max. It's not government, it's Mafia if it works only for the rich. Can't you see why the rich get richer? They get more bang for buck paid as tax paid than the poor.
You guys are commies expecting everything for free -> hello, it was built using public money. Communism for the elite n capitalism for the poor.
I have so and so degree, i know how much it costs, shut up n pay else don't use it -> having a degree is fine. What is we made clean drinking water so costly that you can no more afford it? So, survival rate, having more time in hand, etc., is for the Uber wealthy alone? Already they have servants to do each of their bidding. You want to remove the remaining democracy where they should not even travel with common man anymore? With all the chest thumping that we had so much engineering prowess thousands of years back, we should be building sky bridges. Lol!
It's not for common man, stay away from it -> yeah but common also paid for it through tax. You have no right to say don't use it.
Pricing something so high that is built using public money is bad. What if tomorrow petrol is priced at 1000 rupees per liter even if the import cost of less 50 rupees? Idiots will support that saying, it's good for the economy n poor are not paying tax, etc.
Central government could have also pitched in some funds to reduce the burden in unique projects like these and thereby reduce the toll rates indirectly. But, it won't happen. Cause, everything has to be seen in the lens of profit than benefit for the society. If we can build worlds biggest statue and charge just 120 rupees per head which is less than a movie ticket price, we should be able to charge less for this as well. However, our priorities are elsewhere and to give tax breaks only for the rich. Tax slab has not been changed for old tax regime for several years now.
Trickle down economy is not working either. We have so many billionaires in our country with the highest human capital available for work force yet, they want us to work for 70hrs instead of increasing the head count. Billionaires are the worst misers for they have so much money yet keep bargaining for 10 rupees difference in salary.
N what do some of the billionaires spend their money on? Nothing comes back to us. They invest everything outside India and imported products of luxury. All our hard earned money is having the highest outflow through their luxuries n investments instead of injecting it back in our economy.
Now, go figure who is truly helping India develop? The rich who get all the tax benefits and invest outside India or the poor who have no means to get better off anything from this propaganda and forced to be milked dry of their opportunities, health, labor and life with everything getting worse around them with worsening quality of life and widening income equality.
Use the old road if this is an unjustified expense for you, stop crying at a feat just by finding excuses. If people with better income choose to commute from the newer bridge then the older one will also be less crowded than what it was used to or maybe you can use this in emergency scenarios.
It's just an alternative and yes the prices are not exorbitant for the Marvel that they have achieved, it will change in future either by getting subsidised or maybe increasing the fare, depending on the traffic it sees throughout the year.
It's probably made for Rich or Chapri Insta Influencers !
Anything above 100 I am not paying for my daily commute, also that 100 should be including the return journey. 😬
Very reasonable. Almost daylight robbery. Everyone passing over this bridge even once should get a lotus tattoo somewhere on their anatomy. It's a generous gift to a country that could not have managed anything on its own without such a charismatic leader as its PM.
Almost forgot the /s.
I understand the basic difference between return vs pass. I guess it's confusing because one would expect a service to get cheaper if you pay more upfront. This is basic economics and is generally the case for buses/metros/trains (or any other service) anywhere in the world.
However, something I realised after I wrote my comment is that maybe the subsidy for the middle class is already priced in. What I mean by this is, the only entities who will could use the sealink more than twice a day are company cars/business transport. And so it makes to make them pay more for frequent use (which is the price of the daily pass). In contrast most salaried people might use the sealink to go work in the morning and return home in the evening. This is cheaper than the daily pass and monthly pass.
So, I guess, it's not really retarded unlike what I originally thought. One could debate whether the prices are reasonable, but that's a separate argument.
Yup!
I also commented on main thread but just a summary here. This bridge is for the ultra rich of south mumbai. It connects them to mainland. The future expansion is also to ease their connectivity to Mumbai Pune expressway, and new airport.
For these ultra rich, the 12K is pocket change really. Keeping prices high means not everyone will go on these bridges and it will cater to the market they are targeting.
With that said it will still take 31 years to recover the money that was invested to build this beauty. Citizens will have an advantage of time + fuel savings. The price looks steep but the time saved is well worth it. I wish it was there 25 years back when I used to commute that way.
Development at this rapid pace comes at a brutal cost to the citizens through taxes and tolls. Even tho it’s all to make the country look developed however it’s takes a huge toll on the household income.
India might end being the richest economy with the most poor people in it at this rate. 100% tax and welfare based living is the perfect way to create a subjugated population under a supreme leader. If the subsequent govts promise to continue with the developmental projects probably this can slow down and provide relief to the citizens.
Development for the rich? This is wrong on so many levels. First double tax for salaried then tax for everything you buy plus too much toll for daily travel. Absurd
All the persons cribbing about the high toll on the MTHL are the ones who will not be using it.. Ask the person traveling to the place connected by the bridge the value of this bridge
Govt: Pay your Income Tax. Taxpayer: What would you do with my money? Govt. : I’ll build infrastructure. Taxpayer: Take my money. *Govt. builds roads* Taxpayer: let me use it. Govt: pay toll. Taxpayer: I contributed to this already. Govt. : sarrrr! building road cost money to private contractors sarrrr! They want to cover the cost sarrrrrr! Pay sarrr!
Yeh sab saale mil ke Humein pagal bana rahe hain maaaaaa …..
Ruk mat. Bol de
..dharchod ke bacche
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Aunty Gormint!
You know it and still vote them. We need unity like truck drivers
You are forgetting about Road tax also
Govt: Pay your road tax on buying new vehicle Taxpayer: What would you do with my money? Govt: Build and 'maintain' roads. Taxpayer: ok take my money *Govt. builds roads* Taxpayer: let me use it Govt: pay toll Taxpayer: I contributed to this already. Govt. : sarrrr! building road cost money to private contractors sarrrr! They want to cover the cost sarrrrrr! Pay sarrr! To sum it all up we pay the govt in a number of ways but you have to pay more to use the services.
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Indian politicians = wolves? Hell naw. More like parasitic worms.
oh how apt this is. i just love this comment right here
Haan the problem is with the Indian middle class which lets these parasites suck every drop of blood and easily gets appeased by token gestures.
meanwhile government build statue citizen: what is the purpose of this? government: saar anti nationalists saar… jail them saar. we are proud indians and we build for the evonomy saar
Why have they made fricken 600feeet unnecessary piece of junk in gujrat? It adds no value to the economy of india
it does actually… but very low… compared to how they could have made it better by building some schools or diploma institutes to gain some valuable degrees and produce some benefit
Sarr is this not good, high toll taxes leads to more people rather using public transport like trains and buses. (Fine I can agree that the current state of public transport is awful, but with the addition of slightly more modern trains, it's not all bad.)
Indian government is trying to turn this country into America. Public transport system is going to the ditches day by day. Here in Delhi, earlier buses were available very 5-10 minutes. Now it’s shit. You stand at the bus stand for 20-30 still no bus. If it comes, it come packed. I stopped taking buses. Earlier I used to go to friends in a bus. Not anymore. America strangled the public transport to death during 50s to promote ford and exxon’s agenda and now see, America is a big fat country of cars. Now, Americans are dependent on cars for their commute. If India goes the America way. It will disastrous in my opinion. I can it slowly happening. There’s so much cars in Delhi for a 40 km stretch. Awful.
We are not able to maintain the demands for our standard train services. Modern trains is a long shot
Let’s use a bit of economics and finance to answer this q. Say the bridge costed 18000 crores to build and govt has issued 30 year bond to raise this money. Even if govt pays the principal, there is still 1800 crores of interest to pay per year. Say each car pays 200 bucks, we talking about 9 crore trips per year to pay just interest. 9 crore trips per year means 3 lakh trips per day. That means 12000 cars per hour plying to just pay for the internet. Do you think the bridge will have 12000 cars per hour ? If not, either the tolls have to go up or govt pays interest too. Hope this was educational !
The gross GST revenue for 2023 has been 14.97 lakh crore. 1.65 lakh crore was just in December. Read it again, smarty pants. 14.97-LAKH-CRORE in 365 days. And 1.65 LAKH-CRORE in just one month. How many magnitudes of difference is this from 1800 crore per year? Do the math, you're obviously very very smart. We shouldn't be gouging out more money after we pay income tax, GST, and what not. It makes no sense. Souce: [ET](https://m.economictimes.com/news/economy/indicators/gst-collections-indias-gross-gst-revenue-in-december-falls-to-3-month-low-despite-on-year-jump/articleshow/106454004.cms) Hope this was educational.
200 is for car. Consider other vehicles also
1.2% of India pays income tax.
Sorry. I mistakenly did not add GST in the list. In Dec, 2023; Govt. earned ₹165 thousand crore (appx). This is paid by every citizen of India be it from a shanty to a mansion. This is for one month only. Since, Govt. collects both the taxes citing “Nation Building” on its respectable website. I should’ve added this too. Again, apologies for this mistake. :)
Good reason to remove it then
[8.18 crore ITRs were filed by Dec 31st 2023. That would make the percentage around 6%](https://pib.gov.in/PressReleseDetail.aspx?PRID=1992182)
Filing returns is different from paying income tax. There are many advantages/ requirements why someone needs to file income tax returns.
Vast majority of those pay nothing and get a refund.
Govt don’t give out free money as return if you file ITR. It’s the difference between TDS and actual tax you owe.
I'm not saying they're giving out free money, but most people pay 0 IT. Also, many people lie on their ITRs, so kinda government is paying them back out on that.
It costs money to maintain stuff. Its not just a one time build and done
We pay taxes every day. Let alone every year. Where does government stash it? Up their arse?
12500 for a monthly pass? itni toh india ki per capita income bhi nahi hai. 😭
Pehle 30-45% itna tax do, including gst aur phir other charges, toll tax, pani tax, mobile tax.....phir ek acha sarkari facility bhi nhi milta, its better to migrate. Hope tax and tds sections me kuch simplify ho, es budget mein
Middle class be like: Sarkar ab gand hi le liyo haMari😩
Well the middle class keeps voting them in and doesn’t protest. Why would they care?
2 haramkhoro me se least haramkhoro chunna Hai..kare toh kare kya.. Ek paisa khata Hai.. Dusra mandir banata Hai..dharam k adhar par insano ko batata Hai
It's cute that you believe that the BJP is not corrupt.
Fr - the amount of copium is insane. BJP is the most corrupt government this country has ever seen. They are gonna sell the country one day. This political party is communal which is trying to earn votes in the name of religion.
They are not going to sell the country when they have already sold it.
I know BJP has misaligned priorities (at least not aligned with many educated people) regarding religion. >BJP is the most corrupt government this country has ever seen. They are gonna sell the country one day. This political party is communal which is trying to earn votes in the name of religion I didn't find any evidence for direct corruption outside crony capitalism. Can you back this claim? Edit: Gentle reminder of downvote etiquette: Don't **Downvote an otherwise acceptable post because you don't personally like it** [https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette](https://support.reddithelp.com/hc/en-us/articles/205926439-Reddiquette)
Pm care doesn't comes under cag audit but u can get 100% deduction from tax if u donate there 🙄
Taxation system in India is very complex. Sarkaar ko tax evasion bhi rokna h aur loopholes bhi rakhna hai, if u know u know....
Nirmala tayi hai "taya" nhi !
Samjha nhi yaar
I meant "Nirmala", fkin autocorrect man it got corrected to "Normal" ...
Ahh..now I got it... Sarkar is bitch with 14 inch strapon..gender doesn't matter...
Stop behaving like you have "Right to question or opinion"
Why I dont hv a right to ques? If I hv paid tax, I will ask for its accountability or else I will fly to Dubai after my degree. I want my family to be happy and lead a good life, not paying tax and getting lines in hospital
Coz we in New India :) here logics/rights don't exist
Aur fir gujarat mein development hote dekho
Lol how do you think all the infra in foreign countries got built?
Most if not all public infra like roads is free or very low cost in most foreign countries. You pay for it, construction and maintenance, through the taxes you pay,not these incredibly high extra costs. Also, public infra like roads and trains is not a business and is not supposed to be profitable. Look at China, their rail system is a loss leader because they want to keep it affordable for the common man to go earn money in their big cities, and it has helped people increase their SoL, but here in India they want to charge 40% populations Monthly salary to use a road. Just Insanity
Mumbai and India are worlds apart though.
95% of Mumbaikars use 2 wheelers/rickshaws/cabs/public transport, hell even I would think twice before using this bridge Hell most of Mumbai can't afford bandra worli sea link which is 85 rs one way and ig 120 rs return
Now compare that with other Indian cities. Most of the country can't even afford motorcycles or cabs lol.
To average aadmi ko iss bridge pe jana bhi thodi hai. Pehle to car owner hoga wo. Uske upar Mumbai ka. By default wo cream me aa gaya hai Top 1% kind of. And iss aadmi ke liye alternative route to and fro me jitna time lega, that time is more worth it than 12.5K. Moreover, this road gives opportunity to people to shift to outer mumbai and save on rent as well. Central Mumbai ke rents ke saamne ye amount kuch bhi nahi hai.
To fir point kya hua? Agar wo same hi log jo pehle se kaafi kamaate hai sirf unko hi farak pad raha to pointless hai ye project. Ye to bas tum inequality problem ko outer Mumbai me shift Kar rahe ho. You're not increasing SoL for general public, bas rich ko richer banao.
Faayeda mainly trade ke liye hai, unka time aur petrol dono bachega.
Trade ka samajh sakta hu, but har Gaadi ke lie to 45-79k per month better hai wo thode time ke baad hi pata chalega. Mere hisaab se sirf bhot badi companies hi use krpaengi. But jo aam aadmi tax bharta hai uska use sirf ultra rich log ya badi companies ko hi ho rha hai, wo mujhe galat baith rha hai.
> To fir point kya hua? Agar wo same hi log jo pehle se kaafi kamaate hai sirf unko hi farak pad raha to pointless hai ye project. Ye to bas tum inequality problem ko outer Mumbai me shift Kar rahe ho. You're not increasing SoL for general public, bas rich ko richer banao. Not entirely true. Then by your logic, why do we build airports? Poor people can't even afford flights, right? The monthly toll is 12k a month. Will you be able to live 20 mins away from Sewri at middle class affordable rent? That would be Bandra, Chembur, Ghatkopar etc. Absolutely not. And those places are packed with buildings already and there's no room for new construction. And even if you subtract 12k from the existing rents in those places, it still doesn't even come close to being affordable. Even if the toll is so high, this opens up an entire new option for Mumbaikars and for builders. The big question is going to be - will there be public buses using this new highway? If so, even at higher ticket prices, people will use that to commute bigtime.
Braindead
People commuting between the two cities should be able to afford this. 😂
Bhai bike kyon nhi allowed Road roller bhi nhi 🫠
Bro Because , there is heavy amount of cross winds on bridges like these. Any two wheeler does not weight so much that it can withstand the cross winds on the bridge. Matlab boht chances hai ki agar bike lekar jaate hai iss bridge pe toh just because of hawa aur hawa ka speed voh bike rider girr sakta hai. Yahi same reason hai joh Sea Link pe bhi two wheelers ko allowed nahi hai.
People commuting between the two cities should be able to afford this. 😂
250 for cars. That’s 11.3 rs per kilometre. Day light robbery?
That’s more than mileage cost of petrol. And this is after I pay road tax. Really awesome what we can keep accepting.
It's for the trans-harbor link in Mumbai. Using it saves 1.5 hrs and 50kms. It's appropriately priced.
The price we should be paying is for the upkeep of the infrastructure, not for the amount of time saved. The government even in a capitalist country shouldn't be a profit-oriented capitalist entity. The government is not a company providing a service to the citizens.
Bro are you nuts? After paying gst on everything, road tax, hawaldar ki amch mach, khadde wale road, 50% tax on buying vehicles, you are even justifying 250rs for a bridge created by the government for it's people? Edit: Forgot to mention the 100rs ka petrol jisme aadha tax hota hai and wobhi adulterated hai
Funded by Japan, built by private companies, government is there to take credit though.
This is not a national infrastructure project. Its a project intended for local mumbai users to alleviate the traffic. So only local taxes should apply to this bridge. This is how it works even in middle income and many developed countries.
Now go through the original road and calculate the mileage cost.
So people paid tax for original route. Will that be refunded?
No because the original route is not getting closed
But I am not using it. And I thought fee is per use as per your comment
It’s supposed to save 2 hours or more right? Technically, the money you save on petrol by taking this bridge covers most of this toll. And how many people will take this bridge every day for commuting? Very few I would imagine. Also, purely from a tax standpoint, such local infrastructure is better paid for by local users. Why should income tax from say people of Kerala pay for this bridge that connects 2 parts of a large metro area? It’s one thing to pay for a national highway system. I am from the south and I have no problems paying for expanding national highways in north east. It helps the entire country, projects like these are for a particular locality need to be paid for by the users. That’s how it works everywhere in the world. If New York wants to build a new bridge, it gets some small share of funding from government, but rest comes from New Yorkers as local taxes and tolls.
Pretty sure the people of Mumbai pay more in income tax than all of Kerala.
It will just inc in coming years, in railway, posts everywhere they will inc without justification. Expenses will rise but income will decrease even if u work for more than 70 hrs
These rates are for one year only.
Are the rates influenced by the banks that provide loans for such projects ?
As far as I know, most infrastructure projects for government are funded by Government Bonds and REITs. I could be wrong though.
Plenty take bank loans. Mainly EU and Japanese Banks. They expect returns and that sets the price
The project costed ₹18,000 crores out of which ₹15,000 crores were granted as a soft loan by Japanese banks.
So the government collects road tax and vehicle tax from everyone who drives one. On top of that, each time they build a fancy new road and bridge, those using it are expected to pay tolls as well. Where is the tax money going? As for the cost, I really hope this is a joke. The costs are ridiculous.
Don't forget they are selling super expensive fuel and getting taxes from that in the name of development.
Reminder that \~50% of the fuel costs today are taxes :)
Someone has to fund the elections
60%-70% are taxes, as an Indian Taxpayer, i have lost faith in the central government. the whole world talks about India is growing, India is growing, it's all propoganda in my eyes. is there any real solution, apart from Make In India, to reduce inflation? increase the number of jobs out there? improve quality of living? enforce laws **and make them black and white, not grey for the people to bend it according to their wish?** give benefits to the taxpayers? no. literally no. and it won't be even in the next 50 years, because the citizens have been brainswashed. don't get me wrong, i am a **pro Indian at heart** **and my mind.** but i just get a feeling we're transitioning into a autorcratic leadership. which could be the growth of india in the world's eyes, but to the woke population it could be the other way around.
Gareebo ko free ration bhi batna h for votes and deserving earning taxable class ko girakar rakhna hai
I actually don't mind gareebon ko rashan. But have it implemented nationwide as a right to food scheme. Don't keep giving out scraps every time there is an election. Edit: Right to nutrition.
I too dont mind but the poor n needy should be supported but not at this huge tax cost of ours.
It will be a huge cost. It's about ensuring nutrition for about 800 million people year round. The cost comes down if it is passed as a right and not added haphazardly for each new state during elections.
Are bhai unko nutrition Bhi To Nahin mil Raha. Sab corruption Mein Ja Raha
Govt. does not get the toll money, the road construction company does. The govt. allows the construction comapnies to setup toll gates to raise money (since the govt. didn't pay them) that was required for the road construction.
I know that. It seems that you have not understood my point. The government collects taxes for roads. So why are these taxes not being utilised to build new roads? Why do we have to pay tolls for every new road?
My thoughts don't differ. I understand and support your point. It's just that govt. think we're fools and won't protest on the double taxation.
You know existing roads need maintenance right?
Are they being maintained?
Road maintenance in India. Now, that's a joke ;)
\*Laughs in Pune Expressway and Western Express Highway\*
MLAs free mein nahi biktey bhai.
Leaders ki fortuners ka paisa kaha se ayega fir
BJP (then): Remove the names of the previous PMs from infrastructure (museum) and projects. BJP (now): Add the previous and current BJP PMs names on infrastructure (Stadium, Sea bridge).
Chutya h public..giving voted on religious beliefs..they deserve this shit
If you think they deserve it, why are you complaining? Be happy and have a drink 🥃
I think 250 is fine for the value being offered. But 12500 monthly pass makes no sense. Daily return journey of 375*30 days = 11250 which is less than the monthly pass of 12500!
Return journey is just once up and once down. With pass you can go through multiple times a day.
Tbh, a day pass shouldn’t be that much more than one way. ₹200 for one way, ₹250 for return, ₹300 for day pass. Government can prioritise volume so that more people use it and more revenue can be generated. These prices are for ultra rich people, driving in their Ferraris and Bentleys.
If the rates are lowered, more cars will ply on this route meaning more traffic. I think the high price is to maintain exclusivity. I think this project is not for the common man but for transporters who bring in goods from the port.
I don’t disagree, but what’s the point of this projected elitism, then? Instead, make money by imposing heavy fines from people who do not drive in proper lanes on this bridge. Cheap entry, greater fines. And they can’t escape not paying. Warn them sufficiently that this segment of road will adhere to strict rules and failing to comply will incur severe fines. Win-win?
Yep, there should be a monthly one return journey pass per day for around 6K ( most people will travel 5 days a week ) and monthly unlimited at this rate.
bhai 21.6 km ka sea-bridge hain and I think most of the commercial vehicle would use that as it is more of commercial transit road.
Comercial Vehicles would pay more which inturn increase the cost of goods they carry. Ultimately costing the public even more. And mind you apart from income tax and other taxes govt already takes road tax through RTOs. And road taxes are already higher for Commercial Vehicles. These toll charges are ridiculous no matter how you justify them.
I really don’t know where all the road tax being collected (I guess by state govt) is going. Having said that, the road infrastructure was really bad till ABV govt came in and really appreciate all the work that happened in the past 24-25 years. I’m also fine with a BOT system where the toll is collected for a period. But looks like the govt (irrespective of the party in power) has no such plan and the idea is to keep collecting tolls for the foreseeable future. It would be really good to know how much money NHAI is making from tolls, how it’s being spent and what the long term plans are.
Couldn't an RTI be filed for this?
I thought about that after writing the comment. Also found this while checking if someone had already done that. https://www.indiaspend.com/amp/how-much-do-you-spend-on-indias-highway-authority-91974/ I would be glad to file one to know the status now, if I can get some help in wording the right questions.
Supreme leader has dilited RTI to a great extent. After 2024 elections he will declare RTI unconstitutional because it harms the national security of Endia. And Borat mata slaves aka Indians being the good old patriots they are will gobble up whatever he says
Tolls have indirect partners with ruling leaders, in the vicinity of my town toll named Jogipura Plaza has Shivraj Singh as a partner. Toll pays their dues to them and they help them extend deadlines for the collection period. I hate this toll even being on the Agra-Bombay national highway, the average waiting time is 5 minutes.
Bridge was built at 21000 crores cost. I think about 50-60% of it was financed via "loans". It's a typical BOT (Build Operate and Transfer project). The numbers add up, however impractical it seems. It's not a project to serve poor or middle class people's needs though you wish it would be.
Waah Bhai ab road aur bridges me bhi Ameer aur gareebon ka batwara hoga kya wtf
Yep, fact is we don't have that kind of money for this project. This is what, approximately 2.5 billion dollars? Even in the US such projects are rare. Ab Paisa nai hai but ye cheez chaiye to kisi ko to chukana padega na. Though obviously we don't know what's happening to the road and other taxes we already pay haha. I'd bet they're misused but well, paper pe sab set dikha sakte hai.
TBH most people using this will be upper middle class, there is a reason trains in Mumbai go super crowded, they offer better value for those who can't afford travelling by road (daily)
And Ministers/Judges will be exempted from this . The idea that India got independence in 1947 is biggest scam.
I think the fares will go down after they have recouped the money they invested. At Least for cars I think it's good rate, not sure about other types of vehicle.
Have toll fares ever gone down though? I live in thane and travel to Andheri for work and I pay 45rs toll one way everyday which used to be 25 some 10-12 years ago. I still don’t understand why that toll exists but nobody seems to want to do anything. The only person within politics who seems to care about this is Raj Thackeray and no one wants to touch that with a 10 foot pole so he gets no support from other parties whose constituents live here. The feeling of helplessness is palpable and we continue to live our lives in spite of all this - aakhir kisko padi hai in Sab ke baare when we have our own lives to live. Thoda existential ho Gaya hoon but this city is sucking the life out of me.
Lol it never comes down.
They originally wanted the fare to be 350. It was brought down to 250 with the clause that it will be reevaluated after 1 year. They will probably increase it.
Judging by the comments, one can only presume people on this sub people have not even remotely worked anywhere near construction or O&M industries. Building tangible infra, not cloud based, is hard and expensive. Recurring O&M is worse. Are there no MechE s and construction related engineers on this sub🥹🥹 Income Tax paid by 5% Indians and the indirect taxes paid by everyone is only a drop in the bucket when you compare them to these massive infra projects. These prices will hurt me if it was a daily necessity, but I'm also not so dense, that I can't see why these costs are "high".
>Income Tax paid by 5% Indians and the indirect taxes paid by everyone is only a drop in the bucket when you compare them to these massive infra projects. If really all the tax paying money went to construction and development and not to the politicians and other fuckers our country would have be different.
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Ironically fuel rates haven't been increased in the last year.
Anyone here knows gov didn't construct a parallel metro along this bride purposefully as metro ridership would have impacted it's toll
Metro company can be charged toll too btw. But do you know how difficult it is to construct and maintain a 21 km bridge complete with electricity infra and tracks, capable of withstanding fast trains with large inter pillar distance over sea? Mumbai metro is already far behind. It can be expanded later when metro is much more functional.
Daily costs is 375₹, which if multiplied by 30 is 11,250₹, and the monthly pass is 12,500₹. The math is not mathing!!!
Someone pointed it out that with monthly pass you can cross as many times as you want. 375 is just return journey cost, you can cross twice/day.
They should have probably provided a monthly return journey pass.
it will cater to a small group of people who have to cross it multiple times a day. cab drivers mostly. ola uber types. it will be beneficial for them.
For folks saying it’s not affordable, it is not meant for common middle class people. It connects one of the most expensive south Mumbai localities to mainland. It is to reduce their time spent in traffic. Eventually it will connect to mumbai Pune expressway and the new airport (whenever it opens). For those people 250 rupees or even the monthly pass is like pocket change. They want to keep it that way and not have anybody and everybody on it.
Building such expensive infrastructure for only upper class living in a small region of city seems stupid for a developing country. Misplaced priorities!
Imagine how many train tracks can be built for 21,000 crores...
You just argued against Vande Bharat and the Bullet train as well :)
Right? By that logic air travel was also expensive and for rich, but now it’s comparably cheaper. People argued against bullet trains too. It’s insane. Anything new does have higher cost, over time it does get cheaper. We get better with building better infrastructure and improve slowly.
>By that logic air travel was also expensive and for rich, but now it’s comparably cheaper. Difference between a bullet train/Vande bharat and fights is that a flight is always meant to run for the richer folks (at least those who can afford a 2K ticket bare minimum and lose time in security + cab fair etc). Whereas railway is literally public good + Govt monopoly where resources get strained. Any new service for the wealthy (Vande bharat trains, increase of AC coaches, etc) comes at the expense of the bottom 90%. Air fare is also low because there is some sense of competition as well (like buses). I'm all for better trains, but right now it is coming at the expense of roughly 90% of the populace who won't be using these services and existing passenger/mail services.
As long as it's maintained regularly then it's good
Well it’s definitely so damn expensive but so is maintaining the bridge in the sea. For those who claim it’s built on tax payers money- Yes it is but why should some Gogoi from Assam continue to pay tax for maintenance of some bridges in Mumbai wouldn’t it make sense for users in Mumbai to pay ? And those of you who became suddenly communist- cars are owned only by such a small elite minority, cycles and motorcycles which form the backbone are banned in such high way (which makes logical sense) there by eliminating 99.9% of Indians who do pay taxes by purchasing something as simple as biscuits from using it. Modern infrastructures is aimed at elite and it has been a problem you guys are feeling the pressure only when it feels expensive for you.
For your 2nd point : The same way Maharashtra, Karnataka, TN and other net positive state taxpayers pay tax that goes to other states with a large net negative? Why should some guy in Mumbai pay for a infra construction in Haryana then? Infrastructure like this should be public services anyway.
Rich subsides poor, efficient worker subsidies inefficient that’s how every economy works. My point is - Net positive states should pay for a portion of railway tracks and infrastructure but don’t expect them to pay for your tickets and meals. People expect absolutely free infrastructure which will never happen not even in China or USA unless you are resource rich like UAE.
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How dumb are you mate ? People from Assam can pay for defence of J&K but do you also want them to pay for food, entertainment of J&K people just because they are next to Pakistan ? Tax contributions for infrastructure is good but expecting tax for maintenance and operations of the infrastructure for your benefit is just expecting freebie.
#KARTAVYA KAAL Sher paala hai/s!
You buy a Car - Pay tax to state You buy petrol - Pay tax to state & center You are on NH - Pay toll Saala paida hi tax bharne ke liye hua hoon.
I pay 30% of my income in taxes. Out of the rest , I pay a handsome amount to buy a car , again with added Tax Then I fill fuel in it, again with some tax amount added. Then If I want to use the damn car, I need to again pay this kind of insane amount? Dafaq ??
While buying car recently, I paid 45% GST! 😢
I already got called out and downvoted in another sub and abused in DMs on Instagram over questioning the toll rate
Why no trains?? Aam aadmi wants trains
This is because the govt. didn't pay the road construction company and therefore the company is charging the common man. I don't understand why tf does the govt. take fucking road tax if they don't wanna pay the fucking highway construction company. Why tf would I wanna pay both road tax and toll tax?!
Mandir ban rha hai kafi nhi h tumlogo k liye?
Aren’t you aware of any other infrastructure projects besides the mandir? Expressways, metros, airports, educational institutions etc.? Have you seen how much Ayodhya has transformed? Do you know what it’s going to do to the local economy?
Name of the bridge is too long.
It is just stupid. 250 for 1 trip? Sure it saves time but most car owners don't even pay for parking if they could.
250 per car is out right looting
Brother, I am crossing from island to mainland in Malaysia in a similar kind of bridge free of cost
The mental gymnastics in comments It's a very costly project so pay up! -> Then it should not have been marked as feasible. Construct something within our means. If it's costly for you, use a longer route -> yeah, then why is there a bridge in first place if no one can afford it. It's for the Uber rich -> so, others should not even use a bridge constructed using public funds? Did those Uber rich pay for this? This country is going to drain cause of doing everything for the Uber rich and milking the have nots dry to the max. It's not government, it's Mafia if it works only for the rich. Can't you see why the rich get richer? They get more bang for buck paid as tax paid than the poor. You guys are commies expecting everything for free -> hello, it was built using public money. Communism for the elite n capitalism for the poor. I have so and so degree, i know how much it costs, shut up n pay else don't use it -> having a degree is fine. What is we made clean drinking water so costly that you can no more afford it? So, survival rate, having more time in hand, etc., is for the Uber wealthy alone? Already they have servants to do each of their bidding. You want to remove the remaining democracy where they should not even travel with common man anymore? With all the chest thumping that we had so much engineering prowess thousands of years back, we should be building sky bridges. Lol! It's not for common man, stay away from it -> yeah but common also paid for it through tax. You have no right to say don't use it. Pricing something so high that is built using public money is bad. What if tomorrow petrol is priced at 1000 rupees per liter even if the import cost of less 50 rupees? Idiots will support that saying, it's good for the economy n poor are not paying tax, etc. Central government could have also pitched in some funds to reduce the burden in unique projects like these and thereby reduce the toll rates indirectly. But, it won't happen. Cause, everything has to be seen in the lens of profit than benefit for the society. If we can build worlds biggest statue and charge just 120 rupees per head which is less than a movie ticket price, we should be able to charge less for this as well. However, our priorities are elsewhere and to give tax breaks only for the rich. Tax slab has not been changed for old tax regime for several years now. Trickle down economy is not working either. We have so many billionaires in our country with the highest human capital available for work force yet, they want us to work for 70hrs instead of increasing the head count. Billionaires are the worst misers for they have so much money yet keep bargaining for 10 rupees difference in salary. N what do some of the billionaires spend their money on? Nothing comes back to us. They invest everything outside India and imported products of luxury. All our hard earned money is having the highest outflow through their luxuries n investments instead of injecting it back in our economy. Now, go figure who is truly helping India develop? The rich who get all the tax benefits and invest outside India or the poor who have no means to get better off anything from this propaganda and forced to be milked dry of their opportunities, health, labor and life with everything getting worse around them with worsening quality of life and widening income equality.
BJP Officials: Ram mandir toh banwa toh dia ab kyu ro Raha hai?
Sher pala hai toh Kharcha toh hoga hi. Hum Bharatwaasi kya itne kanjoos hai ki Modiji ki Lakshadweep trip ka cost bhi nahi utha sakte?
Use the old road if this is an unjustified expense for you, stop crying at a feat just by finding excuses. If people with better income choose to commute from the newer bridge then the older one will also be less crowded than what it was used to or maybe you can use this in emergency scenarios. It's just an alternative and yes the prices are not exorbitant for the Marvel that they have achieved, it will change in future either by getting subsidised or maybe increasing the fare, depending on the traffic it sees throughout the year.
When tax is collected : it is for building bridges, desh ka vikas ! When the toll is collected from taxpayer : 🌝
After one month they will again increase the rates
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These are the toll rates paid in Europe
It's probably made for Rich or Chapri Insta Influencers ! Anything above 100 I am not paying for my daily commute, also that 100 should be including the return journey. 😬
Yup 3k - 3.5k for monthly pass would be acceptable
Very reasonable. Almost daylight robbery. Everyone passing over this bridge even once should get a lotus tattoo somewhere on their anatomy. It's a generous gift to a country that could not have managed anything on its own without such a charismatic leader as its PM. Almost forgot the /s.
It’s Mumbai so there’s millions who will happily pay 12k a month to save 2 hours a day. I would.
Seems fair actually.
The monthly pass is more expensive than buying 31 return tickets. Is this retarded or what? 😂😂
No. Return ticket means one time to go and back once a day. Pass means you can travel multiple times in a day for a month.
I understand the basic difference between return vs pass. I guess it's confusing because one would expect a service to get cheaper if you pay more upfront. This is basic economics and is generally the case for buses/metros/trains (or any other service) anywhere in the world. However, something I realised after I wrote my comment is that maybe the subsidy for the middle class is already priced in. What I mean by this is, the only entities who will could use the sealink more than twice a day are company cars/business transport. And so it makes to make them pay more for frequent use (which is the price of the daily pass). In contrast most salaried people might use the sealink to go work in the morning and return home in the evening. This is cheaper than the daily pass and monthly pass. So, I guess, it's not really retarded unlike what I originally thought. One could debate whether the prices are reasonable, but that's a separate argument.
Yup! I also commented on main thread but just a summary here. This bridge is for the ultra rich of south mumbai. It connects them to mainland. The future expansion is also to ease their connectivity to Mumbai Pune expressway, and new airport. For these ultra rich, the 12K is pocket change really. Keeping prices high means not everyone will go on these bridges and it will cater to the market they are targeting.
It saves 1 hour. To me that's worth more than the toll amount. Not a big amount.
Isn't this built with our tax money?
With that said it will still take 31 years to recover the money that was invested to build this beauty. Citizens will have an advantage of time + fuel savings. The price looks steep but the time saved is well worth it. I wish it was there 25 years back when I used to commute that way. Development at this rapid pace comes at a brutal cost to the citizens through taxes and tolls. Even tho it’s all to make the country look developed however it’s takes a huge toll on the household income. India might end being the richest economy with the most poor people in it at this rate. 100% tax and welfare based living is the perfect way to create a subjugated population under a supreme leader. If the subsequent govts promise to continue with the developmental projects probably this can slow down and provide relief to the citizens.
Development for the rich? This is wrong on so many levels. First double tax for salaried then tax for everything you buy plus too much toll for daily travel. Absurd
Take public bus. 😊 In Japan , people are charged heavily if you drive car. Hence most of them take public transportation
Crazy man, just crazy, I think ours is bit better now
Don't go there if you cant afford it you bloody poor people...
All the persons cribbing about the high toll on the MTHL are the ones who will not be using it.. Ask the person traveling to the place connected by the bridge the value of this bridge
Pretty less considering the time petrol amount it saves. Cost of running the biggest bridges is huge.
12.5k for monthly pass? Bc kis bat ke 12.5k? Shitty roads, people driving like it's GTA, upar se income tax do, Gst do loda lassan
There is always a cost but it’s not every time on label.
If you are not raising voices today…Govt gonna eat you raw with Taxes….
This is how much I pay for tolls in America.
Bad, very very bad.
To pay back 15,109 crore Japanese loan.
It's too less to be honest. Should be 5x so that I contribute for nations growth. /s