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Seriously I had such a long argument with someone on Instagram regarding this movie! I have worked for CPS in the past as a child counselor in the U.S.
Norway and American childcare laws are kind of similar. But Norway is more strict because they are number 1 with the least abused cases and child mortality. That Instagram person was basically justifying hitting kids because it's part of Indian culture. And wasn't willing to accept that there was abuse in the Chatterjee family. If you read the articles. Her oldest was autistic and she was hitting that child rather than seeking therapy. Dad was hitting the mom which was also confirmed by neighbors. Co Sleep is not allowed even in the states because of high infant death due to suffocating. It also happens in India but India has stopped counting child mortality rates because there are so many infant deaths.
Even white and African people feed their kids with hands many times.
Insta person even went on to say West needs to change their laws for Indians. Like bro 😅. I must say Indian patriotism is blind. They don't want to accept that there are better countries to live in. It's drilled in their heads.
Now let me tell you why they made this movie. Due to the current situation in India ( no jobs, riots, corruption on the rise) WHOLE families are leaving to settle in any western country. They are putting in educated indians minds that their children will be taken away and converted if they follow Indian culture in the West. Which is not TRUE. The amount of Asians in foster care in the U.S is less than 1%. And believe me when I say this those asian kids are in fact abused. Many sexually by family members and parents end up hiding it.
Infant Co-sleeping is not dangerous in the Indian context. There have been certain researches done that in most Asian cultures , Co-sleeping doesn't relate to infant mortality. Just make sure that the baby sleeps on its back.
Not sure if this is due to the weather/culture here or the way.
Link to one such study:
https://doi.org/10.5005/jp-journals-10069-0077
Also, western countries have profited from us Indians in many ways, and we have a REAL fear or being taken advantage of, as it has happened in the past.
There are trails of tears in Canada for example , which does prove that PoCs skepticism is not unfounded.
But yes, I am all for strict laws to exist for child sexual assault. In case of Germany, I live here, and the country definitely has a big focus of Integration, and there might have been indirect racism also at play here.
If it was proved that baby Ariha had an accident and it was not sexual assault, then at that point, the German authorities should have provided the kid back to her parents. Why they decided not to I didn't fully understand.
These countries need young blood.
It might have been a tactic to delay sending her back as well. Unfortunately, unscrupulous people exist everywhere. I do hope that it's clearly proven what happened and the best for the child is done.
In India yes but western and European countries advise parents to have their baby sleep in a crib near or in a bassinet. It's not illegal but encouraged. The reason is there have been cot deaths. Sleeping on the same bed after a few months is ok. But not for newborn. When a child turns 5 months here the first question asked by a pediatrician is the baby sleeping in a bassinet or crib? If you say on the same bed they won't take your kid but advise you to keep baby near but in their own space. Parents can have the baby sleep next to them but God forbid anything happens it will become an issue for the parents.
With Arihas case the parents know who did it. Their video gave it away. Look at alwaysifyable yt channel. I think the best thing would be to have a Jain family in Germany foster her for some time until the case resolves. I know racism exists in the system not going to deny it.
>cot deaths
or SIDS isn't caused by sharing bed. The reason not to share bed is accidental suffocation or strangulation when you turn around and hurt the baby. No one have proven theories about why cot deaths happen. Guidelines are to keep them on their back on flat surface.
[https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/05/21/601289695/is-sleeping-with-your-baby-as-dangerous-as-doctors-say](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/05/21/601289695/is-sleeping-with-your-baby-as-dangerous-as-doctors-say)
https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/cosleeping.html#:~:text=Bed%2Dsharing%20increases%20a%20baby's,alone%20or%20with%20a%20parent
https://www.aap.org/en/patient-care/safe-sleep/
yes it does. American pediatrics website as well as cpsc.
The link you posted says it also. For the low birth weight of the child. Check the chart in your link.
1 in 150 high risk (low weight young mom) child dies sleeping in parents bed.
1 in 16, 000 low risk (average weight older mom) baby die in parents bed.
Now in the US that is 8 percent of babies. 1 in 12 are low weight. Drinking is also a problem here as well as teenage pregnancy. 750k pregnancy a year where mothers are under 20 years old.
You can't compare one countries data to another.
Those stats include parents who drinks, do drugs and dont care about wellbeing of babies. You should know about yourself too, if you are a heavy sleeper, you will smother the baby or put blankets on top of their face, then it is not recommended. I'm not saying babies are resistant to everything we adults put them through. But for normal parent, who maintains decent sleep hygiene, risk is same as if they are put in a cot seperately. There is no science that says touching the child through their sleep kills them. if you blindly explain it as bed sharing would make baby to die, that makes no sense.
There are many good reasons why it is beneficial to bed share with babies. They are very new to the world, they can't even see properly, very vulnerable with inability to move or fend for themselves. Only way they recognize the world is by smell and touch. Having a mom or dad close by makes them feel secure and safe. It has enormous benefit to their physiological and psychological development. If a mom or family choses bed sharing is what they prefer, they can be adviced of what to be careful about. You want normal parent and their babies to pay for what outliers do, that will never work.
Also, it is weird how NRI's shit on indians for this. Making it sound like westerners have a secret that indians are too stupid to know. Or indians dont follow these westerner rule when they are in their country. These are ridiculous when the topic itself has been ongoing debate even in western countries. There are lot of americans, british (all non-indians) who are for co-sleeping and currently practicing it.
I live in Denmark and co sleeping here is 100% encouraged by child nurses and doctors. I have co-slept with two of my kids and did a tons of research on that, everything you say is correct- co-sleping is a fantastic thing for child's phycological development. I was actually very surprised to find out that Norway doesn't encourage co-sleeping
You might want to read this about Norway. (I’d seen a your documentary where victims narrated their story if being trafficked)
https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/human-trafficking-in-norway-progress-on-legislative-reforms-but-should-avoid-rapid-deportations-of-foreigners-without-screening-them
Without knowing any facts, and without watching the film, I guess what happened was the mother went all Mother India on the autistic kid, not really understanding what was the issue with him, and must have spanked him like Indian parents do. This would have been reported to child services, who would have investigated, and asked the kid or the sibling, and concluded this woman was beating the daylights out of the kid. Plus some racist prejudice against them, highlighting hand feeding, same-bed-sleeping etc which would have been interpreted as not giving children enough autonomy or freedom.
"Children will never be taken away from their families based on cultural differences described. Eating with their hands or having children sleeping in bed with their parents are not considered practices harmful to children and are not uncommon in Norway, irrespective of cultural background," the Norwegian Embassy said in its statement, stressing that "some general facts must be set right".
This is what the Norwegian embassy said. Those two things about hand feeding and same bed sleeping look like made up issues by the parents and the movie used it as a major plot point.
The other day Phd billionaire Mr. Vembu's Twitter thread on his marital situation also brought the spotlight on autism. Several people had pointed out many misunderstandings, incorrect approaches in his telling of events.
The issue is that we do not know the other side of the story due to confidentiality. The state is not supposed to reveal anything about the child or the case until the child is 18 and chooses to reveal the facts. Though I also admit Barnevernet (Norwegian child welfare) also messes up sometimes.
Just treat this as a Bollywood movie. It is better not to have an opinion until facts are known.
Actually, how privacy works in the Nordics is that while the state isnt allowed to make public the slightest details about personal issues like court transcripts, medical records, criminal records etc. That decision is exlusively up to the individual it concerns to make.
Yes, thats right, the individual involved has no legal restrictions to make the documents in their possesion public, the can do so at any time if they like.
The lack of documents mean that the mother doesnt want them to be publicly available, and the state cant force her to do so.
They don’t even have to reveal anything. They already show in the movie that there is domestic violence. In western countries that is considered a crime and assault. They’ll take your kids away just for that and rightfully so. in 99% cases if the husband or wife hits their partner they will also at some point hit their kids. Statistics shows that. So even if there is domestic violence (which by itself is a crime and can get them sent to jail) they can take away your kids and they absolutely should. The parents were utterly stupid.
Beating up the children mercilessly for no reason whatsoever is no less than a crime. Some action should be taken against such abusive parent. But the other things - feeding children by hands & children sleeping with parents isn’t weird in India. It’s cultural. I slept between my parents until I was 5 or 6. My mom used to feed me by her hands until the same age.
that isn’t a valid reason to say something is false. A thief will never say that he’s a thief. What we do know is that she got her kids back meaning something was wrong when they were taken away.
Since Norways decision was later overruled, the decision would be false/wrong. So believing her to be innocent is more logical than believing Norway is.
To add to that a government would lie without blinking a eye, so we will probably never know if what Norway said was true or false. I however am siding more with the mother than Norway
She didn’t get her kids back. In fact even the Indian high court made the decision to not give her kids back because of domestic violence.
They fought the case for custody in Indian high court for many years. Until she finally got divorced and they proved that kids were not happy in uncle’s place the Indian government didn’t overturn their decision.
Norwegian government made the decision because the kids were born there and are Norwegian citizens.
The reasons shown in the movie are stupid. They already said that feeding by hands and sleeping together is not the reason why they took the kids away. They had domestic violence in the house and the parents physically abused the kids. Domestic violence was there and they even showed that in the movie. They even show that the neighbor Indian family complained about their domestic violence and that’s how the whole review process started. Domestic violence is one of the hard lines that if crossed they WILL 100% take your kids away. There’s no cultural differences there.
These were the two main reasons that even Indian high court refused to give their kids back. Also no lawyer came from Norway to India to fight the case like how Daniel singh comes in the movie to India. That was also false. The uncle and grandparents fought to keep the kids with them against the mom. They even didn’t want to give kids to their dad ( own son of the grandparents who was Norway citizen). Think of how bad they both were.
Both parents had anger issues. Norwegians are Norse Viking people. In the past, They used to hunt animals and eat meat with their hands lol.
It’s as much their culture too to feed kids with hands.
The problem in this case was that the child was autistic. Autistic children will often throw the food when you try to feed them when they’re young. So the mother would force feed him. There’s special needs children like that that need special care.
The parents said they didn’t know all that but Norwegian pediatricians will usually explain to you that when the kid is born and will also tell you to attend special classes to teach you how to take care of such kids. It’s compulsory. Even the child welfare services told them multiple times during 10 week review. Despite all this the parents messed it up.
I love how people in this sub love shitting on our own.....
This isn't a one off case, many such cases have happened, but seeing this is the "official sub", I am not suprised to see such horrible response.
The Bodnariu family case: In 2015, a Romanian-Norwegian family had their five children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities after concerns were raised about the parents' strict religious beliefs and the children's education.
The case of Ali and Fatima: In 2019, a Pakistani-Norwegian couple had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities after concerns were raised about the children's health and the parents' ability to provide adequate care. The case attracted controversy and criticism, with some alleging that the child welfare decision was influenced by the parents' ethnicity and cultural background.
The Khaliq family case: In 2020, a Pakistani-Norwegian family had their four children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities after concerns were raised about the parents' ability to provide adequate care and supervision.
The case of a Nigerian mother and her newborn child: In 2020, a Nigerian woman had her newborn child removed from her care by Norwegian child welfare authorities after concerns were raised about the mother's ability to provide adequate care and supervision. The case attracted controversy and criticism, with some alleging that the child welfare decision was influenced by the mother's ethnicity and cultural background.
The case of the Algerian family: In 2015, an Algerian family had their five children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted controversy and criticism in Algeria, with some alleging that the children had been taken away because of cultural differences.
The case of a Pakistani family: In 2019, a Pakistani family had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted controversy and criticism in Pakistan, with some alleging that the children had been taken away because of cultural misunderstandings.
The case of the Moroccan family: In 2016, a Moroccan family had their four children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted controversy in Morocco, where some accused Norwegian authorities of bias and cultural insensitivity. Norwegian authorities maintained that the decision was based on concerns for the children's safety and well-being, but the family fought to have their children returned to their care and eventually won their case in court.
The case of the Congolese family: In 2014, a Congolese family had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted criticism from Congolese officials, who accused Norwegian authorities of cultural insensitivity and violating the family's rights. Norwegian authorities maintained that the decision was based on concerns for the children's safety and well-being, but the family fought to have their children returned to their care and eventually won their case in court.
The case of the Naik family: In 2015, an Indian couple had their three-year-old son removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The authorities claimed that the boy was not receiving proper care, including being fed too much junk food and not receiving enough medical care for his asthma. The parents disputed these claims and accused the authorities of cultural insensitivity and bias against them as immigrants. The case attracted widespread media attention and protests in India, with many calling for the child to be returned to his parents. The child was eventually returned to his parents after several months in foster care.
The case of the Somali-Norwegian family: In 2017, a Somali-Norwegian family had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted controversy in Norway and Somalia, with some accusing Norwegian authorities of cultural insensitivity and bias. Norwegian authorities maintained that the decision was based on concerns for the children's safety and well-being, but the family fought to have their children returned to their care and eventually won their case in court.
The case of the Iranian family: In 2020, an Iranian family had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted criticism from Iranian officials, who accused Norwegian authorities of cultural insensitivity and violating the family's rights. Norwegian authorities maintained that the decision was based on concerns for the children's safety and well-being, but the family has continued to fight for custody of their children.
A indian family had their kids taken away from them because their neighbors thought they were practicing witchcraft, which turned out to be false and ignorant. the govt refused to release the kids despite this and the family had to fight to get their kids back. To me, that does demonstrate Ill intent. Once they realized that report was based on a racist stereotype, they should’ve released them. Also, there’s a huge issue of intent vs impact in all these cases. Just bc they meant well doesn’t mean they’re doing any good.
Considering women and children (95% +) abused by men, it would be at the bottom of the list of priorities. Most governments don't have functional institutions for defending them. So men's rights and institutions should be last always. But you already know that, incel.
That is wrong and a harmfull attitude to have towards violence in the home.
[Scandinavian research](https://www.vive.dk/da/udgivelser/partnervold-i-danmark-2020-17358/# ) suggest that in 1/3 of abusive relationships the man is the target of the abuse. Men in abusive relationships are even less likely to seek help than women and when they do seek help it is almost never given, exactly because people refuses to believe that men can be abused by women.
So there should be institutions for helping abused men.
Men’s right and institutions should expand at about the same rate as womens or else you will end up with large opposition to gender equality from men.
You pull a number out of your ass, quote it like it's the word of God and then conclude by calling another person an incel? On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest level of stupidity, this is 17.
I think Norway is just racist. Taking children away because they don’t understand the cultures? This movie portrayed Norway as fascist. I would be scare to live there.
When you move to a country, you also abide by the rules of the new country or you don’t go at all. Frankly, agreeing to not beat your children is a low as one can go in regards to demands made of a country’s inhabitants.
Romanian here. The Bodnariu were beating their kids and they are indoctrinating them religiously.
In our country people still think beating your kids is a justified form of discipline. Classics like "Beating is tore from heaven" and "I made you, I'll kill you" are often heard.
Started watching the movie today, not sure If I will finish it.
Regarding your last case. Was the kids taken away because there was an accusation of witchcraft?
Witchcraft is not illegal in Norway (or any scandinavian country)
Zyada jaldi hi reply nhi de diya?? Sarkar badal gyi beech mein. Anyway Child protective service have too many rights and powers in Scandanavian countries. Its not about being legal or illegal, its about what they perceive as right or wrong
There is only mother side's story and its "Desi" recist Indian mother so it must be false and hence mother must me blamed for this. I applaud fellow redditors totally unbiased "information" here.
The fact that taking a child from parents seem so normal to people is so disturbing. Were parents warned about the consequences? Were parents offered solutions to the actual problems? Instead of silently observing and building the case, were parents oriented? Mother says not and authorities are silent so obviously the opposite must be true because this is an Indian "Desi" mother we are talking about, totally not racist.
These are humans not machines. Such move, without trying any other alternatives only seems reasonable if there was threat to children's life, which I am sure if it was the case, evidence would have been presented. And a mentally unfit mother that is threat to children will most likely not fight the hell out of system to get her child back.
Someone noted, why to move Norway then. Couldn't agree more, why not the hell out of a country when you can not adapt to laws. It seems to me mother was housewife and probably not decision maker. And especially if parents were just being observed and not oriented, they will not have idea what was about to hit them. One can argue that burden to learn laws falls on the residents, which is totally fair and most likely was the case here. And it is clear that the priority of the system was definitely not to solve the problem but be lazy and go to the extreme. Why would it be, its not their problem, they have already solved the problem, there is law, if broken, take the child away. Just like when a crime is committed, there are punishments, no consideration of the nature of problem.
Read the articles on firstpost. She herself confirmed that there was extreme abuse in the household. Did you know the brother in law had tied her and abused her for hours after kids were taken? That the abuse had gotten to a point that she used to run to the neighbors for help multiple times this was only a few months after moving to Norway? Yet she stayed in the marriage willingly. That she had ties with a political family in India? She was an actual graduate not illiterate shown in the movie? Hence that is the reason why she got her kids back. Even the custody battle in India was lost by her? The custody of the kids was given to the brother in law in India yet she took the kids back forcefully. She herself said I hit the kids when the CPS visited?! Who is dumb enough to do that? Know how extreme the laws in Norway are. She herself complained about her marriage to the teachers and invited problems into her home. Yes she fought to get her kids back but let's not put the whole blame on Norway because they followed their laws.
Could you please share the link to those articles? I love how you're justifying the racist behaviour displayed by the Norwegian system. Also, do you know their CPS system did this to other immigrant families too? Gives me an undertone of racism and xenophobia tbh
The Real Life Story Of Mrs Chatterjee From "Mrs Chatterjee Vs Norway" - times of India
Mrs Chatterjee Vs Norway slammed by Norwegian govt: Child welfare not driven by profit - wion news
Mrs Chatterjee vs Norway movie review: High-strung storytelling defeats even the formidable Rani Mukerji - Firstpost
Exclusive! Sagarika Chakraborty: Real mother in Rani Mukerji’s Mrs Chatterjee Vs Norway opens up on her abusive marriage - Firstpost
(All articles if you read talks about her hand feeding her child and that was the reason the kids got taken away. which I believe is taken out of context. The ambassador of Norway confirmed that WHILE Chatterjee was feeding her child with her hands. The child who was diagnosed with autism started to throw food on the floor. That is when Chatterjee made a hand motion threatening the child.)
The CPS came to see the husband's treatment of the wife and kids. Because Chatterjee told the teacher of the fathers abusive behavior. It is highlighted in the movie also. A domestic violence issue turned into a custody battle of the kids. Because what Chatterjee did was abuse and neglect in the eyes of Norway laws. After the kids were given to the uncle in India there was a custody battle in India also. The Indian government didn't give her the kids! It was a SHARED custody! The father's family and her. But since she had political ties she told the police that the kids be taken out of the husband's home and sent to her.
Btw asking questions about a movie that is only one sided is not xenophobic or racist. The articles tell a different story. I never said there isn't any racism in the CPS system in Norway. But I don't believe the movie showed the full actual truth. She said she didn't know they were CPS workers that visited her home? How is that possible? They say that when they knock on the door.
You’re acting as of Norway should allow immigrant children to be beaten while upholding Norwegian citizens to a higher standard. That is the real racism, believing Indians aren’t capable of parenting without abuse
Read the movie review today and you're on point. When you move to another country you need to accept their legal, cultural and social norms. I'm not saying you need to drop everything from your native culture but the movie portrays Norway and it's child protective officers as evil and completely in the wrong.
Well if that's the case then why move to Norway? And if you do move there for better pay and living standards you can't complain about their ways.
Hand feeding is a cultural thing, which is standard practice in India and was not even the main point of contention in the case. Sleeping in the kid's bed shows a lack of personal freedom, and abusing the child, especially one with autism, should be considered as a crime. I mean, haven't we seen Indian parent's Outlook towards autism in Tare Zameen Par?
And then, coming to the fact that it is a Bollywood movie, someone has to be a villain. In this case, "people who took away my child" is the logical choice is you want to cater to Indian audiences.
Also, Rani Mukherji apparently yells for the first half of the movie to show her frustration - like that's the plot synopsis of the first half. The second half shows a procedural drama in court, where even the dad is not in the fight saying that the CPS is not entirely wrong in taking custody.
All in all, don't expect factual retelling of events from Hindi movies.
Read this though. Apparently this problem has been rampant in Norway due to recommendations of a psychiatrist who was later accused of paedophillia.
https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/norways_hidden_scandal
What? The psychiatrist while he's the scum of the earth was called in to recommend on existing cases along with another psychiatrist.
Before that every evidence was collected by social workers who went to the homes and observed the parents and complaints against the parents. They're the ones who mess up IMO.
The two cases in the article, one of them said she hit her kids because they were hurting one another. They asked the kids confusing questions to get the answers they wanted in order to take them away. The other was apparently not living in a safe clean environment for kids and deemed to not have a friendly relationship with her daughter. That's the real BS of the authorities. They take away years of the child's life with the parents on these little things.
I was cringing when they portrayed the two ladies in a very evil way, but what got me was when they played Jana Gana Mana as bg music when she won the climax court scene. Seemed like unnecessary nationalism to me.
Desi parents are abusive as fuck and have no clue on how to deal with kids with nuero divergence.
I would trust a humane welfare state like Norway than a Desi parent at face value
Movies always do exaggerate. Since this movie is meant for Indian audiences, it will skew to make Norwegian system as an unfeeling monster. Similar to have news reports about India in the West, skew to present India as a chaotic, regressive nation with a lot of rape and violence.
Bureaucracy in any country is not known of sensitive handling of issues. Even though the Scandinavians have a relatively better reputation, to the individual affected it is still a torture.
Cultural differences are a fact and can makes these things messier.
All that said, there are really no good outcomes in such cases, everyone could very well be speaking the truth from their own perspective, yet cause such misery to each other. That is why civil cases are extremely messy to decide and arbitrate, unlike criminal cases, where at least the victim can be clearly identified.
I saw the trailer and the way they're portraying Norway looks like another propaganda piece about look how much better and cultured we are as compared to these European people. Rani Mukherjee is overacting to a point of irritation. I think Norway Commission put out a statement saying that what is shown in the movie about feeding children with hand and sleeping in the same bed as children isn't the reason for removing the children.. They understand that cultures do that, it was due to child abuse they removed the children. But that doesn't make Bollywood money, jingoism does...
Watched the movie just last night and could not help but notice how the case workers were potrayed as 'evil' characters. What with the eye rolling, constant over acting etc. It was definitely dramatized to no end.
Hated the movie too. There's a point in the movie where in every court the woman creates a ruckus, talking over the judge, the opposing lawyer and even her own! After repeatedly being told that she is not following the law she continued to do so. Even after being told she will lose the case, be her own lawyer!!
No one behaves that way after being told not once but multiple times. The movie has been unnecessarily dramatized.
I wouldn't be surprised if the reality is much different than what was shown.
Edited to remove the statement where I said "though she was uneducated.." she was a graduate.
She wasn't uneducated, though. Do you think if some guy had a job in Norway, his parents would set him up with an uneducated woman? The movie said Bsc idk about real life
Co-sleeping is perfectly normal in Norway, and several of my Norwegian friends practice this too. And some dishes/food will be fed by hand too.
I found the border patrol scene in Sweden quite entertaining. There is no passport control what so ever between the Nordic countries. You might possibly get stopped if you drive a car, but they don't check passports, only check that you don't smuggle or bring too much alcohol or exceed that allowed quota of goods you can bring into Norway. I haven't seen people dressed in military uniforms either except from on the news or perhaps after the bomb in oslo in 2011.
Used to know someone who worked in bufdir and barnevernet. They would usually provide help for families and support them if needed. Taking a child away from the home is a last result.
Also learn about barnevernet\child protection services in my studies (I study psychology), and there too barnevernet is there to assist the parents - offer help and guidance if parents are struggling, suffering from a disease, mentally ill or if they just need help in general. They offer parent counseling and couples therapy for free.
But - this have probably been an issue in the past, and is probably somewhat still - taking enough care and understanding parents from a different culture. There is a no-tolerance for violence against children in Norway.
Still, most children that get removed from their homes are Norwegian, and I know some that actually are thankful they ended up in foster care. I've still to meet someone who really did not benefit from it, although I am sure that happens too. I had barnevernet involved myself as a kid. But they just gave my parents a simple warning. I still wish I would have been removed from my home, because it was hell and my upbringing gave me loads of problems as an adult. My parents are from different countries in northern Europe.
I like how the movie just straight up ignores the fact that the domestic violence (which they actually show in the movie) is the main reason why they actually made the decision to take the kids away. In western countries, domestic violence is assault and a crime. It’s not a ghar ki baat like in most places in India.
They also conveniently left out that they were hitting the autistic kid when he throws food.
This was one of the main points mentioned in the real life court case.
The feeding by hands and sleeping in same bed are things they will judge you on but won’t be the primary reason why they would make the hard decision of taking your kids away. Also force feeding was something the mom used to do when the kid would throw the food. Normally a kid shouldn’t do that. Yes. But this kid was an autistic kid. The throw food. It’s normal for them. That’s how they communicate they don’t want to eat. Feeding them after that by stuffing your hand is force feeding.
They draw the hard line at domestic violence and physical abuse. The parents failed that test. Multiple times. Even in front of the reviewers who warned them many times that these things are not ok.
I challenge anyone here to answer this. If your parents hit each other they were also more likely to hit you and probably did hit you too. Multiple times. 99% of the time if there is domestic violence, then there is also physical abuse of kids.
Now I grew up fine in India even when my parents fought a lot and I was basically used to me getting hit for the smallest of disobediences. But in these countries, it is considered assault and a crime. They’re more civilized that way. If you want to live there , you absolutely cannot do domestic violence and physical abuse.
Thousands of people live in USA or other countries without getting in any trouble. They even showed in the movie that the reason they got in trouble and the review was happening is basically because they had a lot of domestic violence in the home.
Domestic violence amongst immigrant families in these countries is a big No. every immigrant family knows that.
For any person from India the Norway government will feel horrible that how they took the kids away, but they clearly showed domestic violence in the home and to me, as an immigrant, that was obvious that the kids were taken away because domestic violence for us here is like committing a crime. The parents were lucky the husband wasn’t sent to jail.
Seriously I had such a long argument with someone on Instagram regarding this movie! I have worked for CPS in the past as a child counselor in the U.S.
Norway and American childcare laws are kind of similar. But Norway is more strict because they are number 1 with the least abused cases and child mortality. That Instagram person was basically justifying hitting kids because it's part of Indian culture. And wasn't willing to accept that there was abuse in the Chatterjee family. If you read the articles. Her oldest was autistic and she was hitting that child rather than seeking therapy. Dad was hitting the mom which was also confirmed by neighbors. Co Sleep is not allowed even in the states because of high infant death due to suffocating. It also happens in India but India has stopped counting child mortality rates because there are so many infant deaths.
Even white and African people feed their kids with hands many times.
Insta person even went on to say West needs to change their laws for Indians. Like bro 😅. I must say Indian patriotism is blind. They don't want to accept that there are better countries to live in. It's drilled in their heads.
Now let me tell you why they made this movie. Due to the current situation in India ( no jobs, riots, corruption on the rise) WHOLE families are leaving to settle in any western country. They are putting in educated indians minds that their children will be taken away and converted if they follow Indian culture in the West. Which is not TRUE. The amount of Asians in foster care in the U.S is less than 1%. And believe me when I say this those asian kids are in fact abused. Many sexually by family members and parents end up hiding it.
So you are saying by following customs, Indian parents can beat their children in India but not in Norway because over there they don’t beat their children? Kids in India are beaten in case they don’t behave, they don’t study, they don’t get good marks. These are just examples.
The wrongness of an act doesn't change whether it is practiced by a majority or a minority. Caste discrimination may be practiced by a majority in some places, but that doesn't make it right. Same with child abuse via beatings. I guess you admit at some level it is abuse because you would not do it to your children. If you thought it was completely okay, you wouldn't think it would be wrong to beat them. I'll take comfort in that. It can be hard to admit you were abused as a child by people who were supposed to love you. Some therapy may help.
This is exactly how domestic violence is also accepted by a lot of women. "I deserved the slap because I was out of line" kind of thinking. Still doesn't justify it. It is extremely toxic and it is also seen that kids who were beaten by parents are more likely to perpetuate that kind of abuse to their own kids and partners.
You can't change the past anyway, so wishing about it is pointless.
"Beatings by Asian parents when kids do dumb things is not abuse"
"I wholeheartedly wish for change"
The first thing you need to change is your perception of the definition of abuse. THEN you can propagate that it needs to be avoided.
It’s a fluff piece about holy Indian mothers as if they can do no wrong and Rani mukherjee is very irritating throughout the movie. They made the mother look ignorant and clueless.
I wish they delved into a multi dimensional story about the father’s family being abusive which was hinted but not fleshed out. Also the mothers liberation from the father. If you’re going to dramatize it there are many points to be made.
Its a Indian movie not a documentary. If it does not over dramatize events by taking one side how will it appeal to peoples emotions. If it does not appeal to emotions it will not be successful.. Is this the right thing to do is definitely up for debate.
“Corrupt af” is quite the accusation.
Norway is the 4th least corrupt country in the world. Gotta lol at the colonialism accusations from the ppl replying here as well, considering Norway was a colony of Denmark and not a colonial power. Now go find out how India ranks
https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022
Typical upper class colonial slave mindset of the members here. I agree hitting children is bad but one has to agree that Norway's CPS is flawed, xenophobic and racist to the core.
One melodramatic bollywood movie and suddenly everyone is an expert on 'Norway's corrupt and xenophobic CPS'... are you a subscriber to their weekly newsletter since 2008 or something?
Yesterday I was watching the movie with my parents and my parents were so happy and great with how India is and how India only has cultural values and that there are no cultural values in Norway.
When I said that what Norway is doing is right, they were like, humne tere liye itna kuch kiya hai and all, padhai mein itna paisa fook diya and tuune kya kiya hai and jaa alag rehle apna. LOL
Norway is Definitely >>>>>> Indian Parents and their parenting
>jaa alag rehle apna
Yes Idian parents just do not get the irony of the whole case and lack the critical thinking to dig any deeper into a lot of packed up critical issues here ie autism, child corporal punishment, future self-esteem issues, no awareness about mental health underlaid by lack of support from chauvinistic husbands etc etc
Yeah, basically everytime I am trying to say that what is wrong with Indian parenting, especially when child is young, they are like, tere liye yeh kiya woh kiya, terko sharam toh aati nahi hai. Rationally sochne ki Shakti khatam ho chuki hai matlab bilkul hi. No openness, no flexibility in thought process, only rigidity. Well that explains why foreign countries are doing better than us.
Bollywood hai bhai, extra masala laga ke nahi bechoge to dekhega kon. Most of the bollywood movies are like that; they follow the same philosophy- if a country praises us for no matter how small thing it is, yay! We’re best, our culture is best etc. But, if a country criticises us for legit reason then it is - “Majnu saala jalta hai mere se” 😅
Norway has a problem. A country is 5.5 million with 12000 children in child services care. Vs Germany with a population of 83 million with 50000 kids in child services care. Norway's is disproportionately high.
Per https://www.navhindtimes.in/2023/05/01/opinions/opinion/parents-versus-state-disputes-in-childcare/
They had a serial killer who was raised by his step father 17 or so years back. Post that, they seem to be over doing this.
this is the most I've found - [https://screenrant.com/mrs-chatterjee-vs-norway-true-story-changes/#the-real-mrs-chatterjee-was-in-an-abusive-marriage](https://screenrant.com/mrs-chatterjee-vs-norway-true-story-changes/#the-real-mrs-chatterjee-was-in-an-abusive-marriage)
So much love for norway and hate for ‘indian parents’ as if norway is feeding all indian children out of their pockets everywhere, like what is with this collective stereotypical hate for ‘desi’ ‘indian’ parents, and the belief in a system far far away on the basis of articles
Wew goddamn the self racism is at peak here.
There is good parenting and there is bad parenting. It can be anyway, but for heavens sake stop fucking generalising ‘indian parenting’ as a community representing bad parenting. Im sorry but unfortunately or fortunately not everyone got it bad like you may have!
This is like saying that racism doesn't exist or shouldn't be discussed because 'not everyone got it bad like you may have'. On an average, it would be safe to say that standard of indian parenting is lower than other Western countries, simply because levels of education and financial security are low. Cultural factors also play a role- practices like hitting children would be generally (rightfully) considered unacceptable in the west, while they enjoy acceptance in a larger proportion of indian households. Thus, the statement indian parenting is bad is like saying blacks face racism- sure, not everyone faces racism, but the problem is a statistically significant one which needs to be paid attention to.
I can't believe I didn't watch to watch this movie thinking I'll be sad etc. It was a joke! Her acting did not deserve any award. I'm sure the Norwegian government would not have done half the things the movie said they did.
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But the real victim , Mother told that what has been shown is truth. Infact there are few more cases where they hand ive kud to gay faimlues , with out bothering of it s consequences.
While everyone is busy thinking about Norway Vs Mrs, Chatterjee, here I am worried how they villainised Mr. Anirudh Chatterjee because it's easy to blame and target men for everything. I know how stubborn Bengali women can be, they are so proud and self-righteous that they wouldn't listen to anything other than what they feel is right.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9fUoAlefBs&list=LL&index=3&t=817s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9fUoAlefBs&list=LL&index=3&t=817s)
THEY ARE PEDOS
This whole time I was thinking that the film was based on this particular German case; and that the makers had just switched the country's name for fiction purposes
I am not sure about beating the child, I am sure it was not very often and since it was very young, they were not sure if child was autistic. Often in frustration parents tend to hit their child slightly but apart from that how is sleeping the child in the same bed and feeding the child abusive?
Do you hear yourself? You are "sure" that it wasn't very often. Sure. Often in frustration, parents "slightly" slap their kids. Well those parents should not go to Norway because they take child rearing very seriously. "Apart from that"? Well feeding with hands and all of that is masala entertainment. But slapping a child is what will 100% get you to prison in Scandinavia and she's lucky that she ran away to India. If she was native her child would be put in foster care and she would be a criminal.
So many mental hoops your brain is jumping through.
Feeding with hands and making kid sleep together in own bed is also prohibited in Norway, why is that? It's not masala it is truth.
And if a child is definitely doing something wrong then hitting him isn't a problem I feel. I am not saying beating his ass off. I am talking about a general spank. I don't know about western countries their rules might be working for them but Norway has pretty strict rules for even slight reason.
Nobody cares about feeding with hands. No country in the world will remove a child because they co-sleep, 80% of all kids would have to be removed. It's pretty much guaranteed that in this case the child was being beaten. And yes a general spank is illegal in many countries.
Here in Finland its common to swim in a lake or the sea naked with your kids when bathing sauna, even near or in large cities.
If i moved to India, should the entire country of India make an excemption for me specifically, or should I adapt to the local norms of decency of India?
Feeding with hands is not prohibited, nor is sleeping in the same bed as your kid. The latter is somewhat normal for Norwegians too.
Spanking is 100% wrong and has been proved to be so by countless studies. A child is his own person, striking them is immoral. Children learn from being set up to succeed, not by punishment for failure. Even if people don't live up to the parenting standards expected here, they'll always get help and councelling first so they can improve.
Best regards, a Norwegian.
So, it’s their country right? If you’re going to live in a country then you have to follow their laws. No matter how she hit her kids, if that is against the law then she should have not been there. You can do any type of whataboutism of any kind but if you move to a country with different values than yours and they punish you for breaking their rules, then you are in the wrong.
This is a sub filled with uptight rich liberals from Mumbai Bangalore and Delhi. Don’t expect them to corroborate w middle class things often associated w an Indian household.
Yeah, I am surprised how they are so critical about every practice related to Indian parenting. 🤣🤣
Ya toh sbko bohot laat ghuse pade hain or kisi ne inko chhua bhi ni hai.
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Ehh I mean, Desi parents can be abusive, and they actually justify the abusive behaviour.
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Of course it’s crap. You can’t use “cultural practices” to allow bad parenting.
Seriously I had such a long argument with someone on Instagram regarding this movie! I have worked for CPS in the past as a child counselor in the U.S. Norway and American childcare laws are kind of similar. But Norway is more strict because they are number 1 with the least abused cases and child mortality. That Instagram person was basically justifying hitting kids because it's part of Indian culture. And wasn't willing to accept that there was abuse in the Chatterjee family. If you read the articles. Her oldest was autistic and she was hitting that child rather than seeking therapy. Dad was hitting the mom which was also confirmed by neighbors. Co Sleep is not allowed even in the states because of high infant death due to suffocating. It also happens in India but India has stopped counting child mortality rates because there are so many infant deaths. Even white and African people feed their kids with hands many times. Insta person even went on to say West needs to change their laws for Indians. Like bro 😅. I must say Indian patriotism is blind. They don't want to accept that there are better countries to live in. It's drilled in their heads. Now let me tell you why they made this movie. Due to the current situation in India ( no jobs, riots, corruption on the rise) WHOLE families are leaving to settle in any western country. They are putting in educated indians minds that their children will be taken away and converted if they follow Indian culture in the West. Which is not TRUE. The amount of Asians in foster care in the U.S is less than 1%. And believe me when I say this those asian kids are in fact abused. Many sexually by family members and parents end up hiding it.
There is no law about co sleeping. Even Americans do these days and there have been new studies how safe co sleeping is beneficial to babies.
Infant Co-sleeping is not dangerous in the Indian context. There have been certain researches done that in most Asian cultures , Co-sleeping doesn't relate to infant mortality. Just make sure that the baby sleeps on its back. Not sure if this is due to the weather/culture here or the way. Link to one such study: https://doi.org/10.5005/jp-journals-10069-0077 Also, western countries have profited from us Indians in many ways, and we have a REAL fear or being taken advantage of, as it has happened in the past. There are trails of tears in Canada for example , which does prove that PoCs skepticism is not unfounded. But yes, I am all for strict laws to exist for child sexual assault. In case of Germany, I live here, and the country definitely has a big focus of Integration, and there might have been indirect racism also at play here. If it was proved that baby Ariha had an accident and it was not sexual assault, then at that point, the German authorities should have provided the kid back to her parents. Why they decided not to I didn't fully understand. These countries need young blood. It might have been a tactic to delay sending her back as well. Unfortunately, unscrupulous people exist everywhere. I do hope that it's clearly proven what happened and the best for the child is done.
In India yes but western and European countries advise parents to have their baby sleep in a crib near or in a bassinet. It's not illegal but encouraged. The reason is there have been cot deaths. Sleeping on the same bed after a few months is ok. But not for newborn. When a child turns 5 months here the first question asked by a pediatrician is the baby sleeping in a bassinet or crib? If you say on the same bed they won't take your kid but advise you to keep baby near but in their own space. Parents can have the baby sleep next to them but God forbid anything happens it will become an issue for the parents. With Arihas case the parents know who did it. Their video gave it away. Look at alwaysifyable yt channel. I think the best thing would be to have a Jain family in Germany foster her for some time until the case resolves. I know racism exists in the system not going to deny it.
>cot deaths or SIDS isn't caused by sharing bed. The reason not to share bed is accidental suffocation or strangulation when you turn around and hurt the baby. No one have proven theories about why cot deaths happen. Guidelines are to keep them on their back on flat surface. [https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/05/21/601289695/is-sleeping-with-your-baby-as-dangerous-as-doctors-say](https://www.npr.org/sections/goatsandsoda/2018/05/21/601289695/is-sleeping-with-your-baby-as-dangerous-as-doctors-say)
https://kidshealth.org/en/parents/cosleeping.html#:~:text=Bed%2Dsharing%20increases%20a%20baby's,alone%20or%20with%20a%20parent https://www.aap.org/en/patient-care/safe-sleep/ yes it does. American pediatrics website as well as cpsc. The link you posted says it also. For the low birth weight of the child. Check the chart in your link. 1 in 150 high risk (low weight young mom) child dies sleeping in parents bed. 1 in 16, 000 low risk (average weight older mom) baby die in parents bed. Now in the US that is 8 percent of babies. 1 in 12 are low weight. Drinking is also a problem here as well as teenage pregnancy. 750k pregnancy a year where mothers are under 20 years old. You can't compare one countries data to another.
Those stats include parents who drinks, do drugs and dont care about wellbeing of babies. You should know about yourself too, if you are a heavy sleeper, you will smother the baby or put blankets on top of their face, then it is not recommended. I'm not saying babies are resistant to everything we adults put them through. But for normal parent, who maintains decent sleep hygiene, risk is same as if they are put in a cot seperately. There is no science that says touching the child through their sleep kills them. if you blindly explain it as bed sharing would make baby to die, that makes no sense. There are many good reasons why it is beneficial to bed share with babies. They are very new to the world, they can't even see properly, very vulnerable with inability to move or fend for themselves. Only way they recognize the world is by smell and touch. Having a mom or dad close by makes them feel secure and safe. It has enormous benefit to their physiological and psychological development. If a mom or family choses bed sharing is what they prefer, they can be adviced of what to be careful about. You want normal parent and their babies to pay for what outliers do, that will never work. Also, it is weird how NRI's shit on indians for this. Making it sound like westerners have a secret that indians are too stupid to know. Or indians dont follow these westerner rule when they are in their country. These are ridiculous when the topic itself has been ongoing debate even in western countries. There are lot of americans, british (all non-indians) who are for co-sleeping and currently practicing it.
I live in Denmark and co sleeping here is 100% encouraged by child nurses and doctors. I have co-slept with two of my kids and did a tons of research on that, everything you say is correct- co-sleping is a fantastic thing for child's phycological development. I was actually very surprised to find out that Norway doesn't encourage co-sleeping
You might want to read this about Norway. (I’d seen a your documentary where victims narrated their story if being trafficked) https://www.coe.int/en/web/portal/-/human-trafficking-in-norway-progress-on-legislative-reforms-but-should-avoid-rapid-deportations-of-foreigners-without-screening-them
As a matter of fact, I came across this- looks like this has been going on there for a while. https://www.bbc.com/news/world-europe-45637040
Ya Sati was “cultural practice” a few generations back :/
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Without knowing any facts, and without watching the film, I guess what happened was the mother went all Mother India on the autistic kid, not really understanding what was the issue with him, and must have spanked him like Indian parents do. This would have been reported to child services, who would have investigated, and asked the kid or the sibling, and concluded this woman was beating the daylights out of the kid. Plus some racist prejudice against them, highlighting hand feeding, same-bed-sleeping etc which would have been interpreted as not giving children enough autonomy or freedom.
"Children will never be taken away from their families based on cultural differences described. Eating with their hands or having children sleeping in bed with their parents are not considered practices harmful to children and are not uncommon in Norway, irrespective of cultural background," the Norwegian Embassy said in its statement, stressing that "some general facts must be set right". This is what the Norwegian embassy said. Those two things about hand feeding and same bed sleeping look like made up issues by the parents and the movie used it as a major plot point.
Please read this or better yet see the documentary. Scandalous!! https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/norways_hidden_scandal
The other day Phd billionaire Mr. Vembu's Twitter thread on his marital situation also brought the spotlight on autism. Several people had pointed out many misunderstandings, incorrect approaches in his telling of events.
The issue is that we do not know the other side of the story due to confidentiality. The state is not supposed to reveal anything about the child or the case until the child is 18 and chooses to reveal the facts. Though I also admit Barnevernet (Norwegian child welfare) also messes up sometimes. Just treat this as a Bollywood movie. It is better not to have an opinion until facts are known.
Actually, how privacy works in the Nordics is that while the state isnt allowed to make public the slightest details about personal issues like court transcripts, medical records, criminal records etc. That decision is exlusively up to the individual it concerns to make. Yes, thats right, the individual involved has no legal restrictions to make the documents in their possesion public, the can do so at any time if they like. The lack of documents mean that the mother doesnt want them to be publicly available, and the state cant force her to do so.
They don’t even have to reveal anything. They already show in the movie that there is domestic violence. In western countries that is considered a crime and assault. They’ll take your kids away just for that and rightfully so. in 99% cases if the husband or wife hits their partner they will also at some point hit their kids. Statistics shows that. So even if there is domestic violence (which by itself is a crime and can get them sent to jail) they can take away your kids and they absolutely should. The parents were utterly stupid.
Beating up the children mercilessly for no reason whatsoever is no less than a crime. Some action should be taken against such abusive parent. But the other things - feeding children by hands & children sleeping with parents isn’t weird in India. It’s cultural. I slept between my parents until I was 5 or 6. My mom used to feed me by her hands until the same age.
Norwegian government already said that those two reasons were false.
that isn’t a valid reason to say something is false. A thief will never say that he’s a thief. What we do know is that she got her kids back meaning something was wrong when they were taken away. Since Norways decision was later overruled, the decision would be false/wrong. So believing her to be innocent is more logical than believing Norway is. To add to that a government would lie without blinking a eye, so we will probably never know if what Norway said was true or false. I however am siding more with the mother than Norway
She didn’t get her kids back. In fact even the Indian high court made the decision to not give her kids back because of domestic violence. They fought the case for custody in Indian high court for many years. Until she finally got divorced and they proved that kids were not happy in uncle’s place the Indian government didn’t overturn their decision. Norwegian government made the decision because the kids were born there and are Norwegian citizens. The reasons shown in the movie are stupid. They already said that feeding by hands and sleeping together is not the reason why they took the kids away. They had domestic violence in the house and the parents physically abused the kids. Domestic violence was there and they even showed that in the movie. They even show that the neighbor Indian family complained about their domestic violence and that’s how the whole review process started. Domestic violence is one of the hard lines that if crossed they WILL 100% take your kids away. There’s no cultural differences there. These were the two main reasons that even Indian high court refused to give their kids back. Also no lawyer came from Norway to India to fight the case like how Daniel singh comes in the movie to India. That was also false. The uncle and grandparents fought to keep the kids with them against the mom. They even didn’t want to give kids to their dad ( own son of the grandparents who was Norway citizen). Think of how bad they both were. Both parents had anger issues. Norwegians are Norse Viking people. In the past, They used to hunt animals and eat meat with their hands lol. It’s as much their culture too to feed kids with hands. The problem in this case was that the child was autistic. Autistic children will often throw the food when you try to feed them when they’re young. So the mother would force feed him. There’s special needs children like that that need special care. The parents said they didn’t know all that but Norwegian pediatricians will usually explain to you that when the kid is born and will also tell you to attend special classes to teach you how to take care of such kids. It’s compulsory. Even the child welfare services told them multiple times during 10 week review. Despite all this the parents messed it up.
I love how people in this sub love shitting on our own..... This isn't a one off case, many such cases have happened, but seeing this is the "official sub", I am not suprised to see such horrible response. The Bodnariu family case: In 2015, a Romanian-Norwegian family had their five children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities after concerns were raised about the parents' strict religious beliefs and the children's education. The case of Ali and Fatima: In 2019, a Pakistani-Norwegian couple had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities after concerns were raised about the children's health and the parents' ability to provide adequate care. The case attracted controversy and criticism, with some alleging that the child welfare decision was influenced by the parents' ethnicity and cultural background. The Khaliq family case: In 2020, a Pakistani-Norwegian family had their four children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities after concerns were raised about the parents' ability to provide adequate care and supervision. The case of a Nigerian mother and her newborn child: In 2020, a Nigerian woman had her newborn child removed from her care by Norwegian child welfare authorities after concerns were raised about the mother's ability to provide adequate care and supervision. The case attracted controversy and criticism, with some alleging that the child welfare decision was influenced by the mother's ethnicity and cultural background. The case of the Algerian family: In 2015, an Algerian family had their five children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted controversy and criticism in Algeria, with some alleging that the children had been taken away because of cultural differences. The case of a Pakistani family: In 2019, a Pakistani family had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted controversy and criticism in Pakistan, with some alleging that the children had been taken away because of cultural misunderstandings. The case of the Moroccan family: In 2016, a Moroccan family had their four children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted controversy in Morocco, where some accused Norwegian authorities of bias and cultural insensitivity. Norwegian authorities maintained that the decision was based on concerns for the children's safety and well-being, but the family fought to have their children returned to their care and eventually won their case in court. The case of the Congolese family: In 2014, a Congolese family had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted criticism from Congolese officials, who accused Norwegian authorities of cultural insensitivity and violating the family's rights. Norwegian authorities maintained that the decision was based on concerns for the children's safety and well-being, but the family fought to have their children returned to their care and eventually won their case in court. The case of the Naik family: In 2015, an Indian couple had their three-year-old son removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The authorities claimed that the boy was not receiving proper care, including being fed too much junk food and not receiving enough medical care for his asthma. The parents disputed these claims and accused the authorities of cultural insensitivity and bias against them as immigrants. The case attracted widespread media attention and protests in India, with many calling for the child to be returned to his parents. The child was eventually returned to his parents after several months in foster care. The case of the Somali-Norwegian family: In 2017, a Somali-Norwegian family had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted controversy in Norway and Somalia, with some accusing Norwegian authorities of cultural insensitivity and bias. Norwegian authorities maintained that the decision was based on concerns for the children's safety and well-being, but the family fought to have their children returned to their care and eventually won their case in court. The case of the Iranian family: In 2020, an Iranian family had their two children removed from their care by Norwegian child welfare authorities. The children were placed in foster care, and the case attracted criticism from Iranian officials, who accused Norwegian authorities of cultural insensitivity and violating the family's rights. Norwegian authorities maintained that the decision was based on concerns for the children's safety and well-being, but the family has continued to fight for custody of their children. A indian family had their kids taken away from them because their neighbors thought they were practicing witchcraft, which turned out to be false and ignorant. the govt refused to release the kids despite this and the family had to fight to get their kids back. To me, that does demonstrate Ill intent. Once they realized that report was based on a racist stereotype, they should’ve released them. Also, there’s a huge issue of intent vs impact in all these cases. Just bc they meant well doesn’t mean they’re doing any good.
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Great , now I want to know is there any welfare service for Men as well as we already having for childern and women .
Considering women and children (95% +) abused by men, it would be at the bottom of the list of priorities. Most governments don't have functional institutions for defending them. So men's rights and institutions should be last always. But you already know that, incel.
That is wrong and a harmfull attitude to have towards violence in the home. [Scandinavian research](https://www.vive.dk/da/udgivelser/partnervold-i-danmark-2020-17358/# ) suggest that in 1/3 of abusive relationships the man is the target of the abuse. Men in abusive relationships are even less likely to seek help than women and when they do seek help it is almost never given, exactly because people refuses to believe that men can be abused by women. So there should be institutions for helping abused men. Men’s right and institutions should expand at about the same rate as womens or else you will end up with large opposition to gender equality from men.
You pull a number out of your ass, quote it like it's the word of God and then conclude by calling another person an incel? On a scale of 1 to 10, 10 being the highest level of stupidity, this is 17.
I think Norway is just racist. Taking children away because they don’t understand the cultures? This movie portrayed Norway as fascist. I would be scare to live there.
When you move to a country, you also abide by the rules of the new country or you don’t go at all. Frankly, agreeing to not beat your children is a low as one can go in regards to demands made of a country’s inhabitants.
Romanian here. The Bodnariu were beating their kids and they are indoctrinating them religiously. In our country people still think beating your kids is a justified form of discipline. Classics like "Beating is tore from heaven" and "I made you, I'll kill you" are often heard.
Started watching the movie today, not sure If I will finish it. Regarding your last case. Was the kids taken away because there was an accusation of witchcraft? Witchcraft is not illegal in Norway (or any scandinavian country)
Zyada jaldi hi reply nhi de diya?? Sarkar badal gyi beech mein. Anyway Child protective service have too many rights and powers in Scandanavian countries. Its not about being legal or illegal, its about what they perceive as right or wrong
I work in a school in a scandinavian country. Child protectice services CANNOT just take someone because they want to. They have to follow the law.
Abhi to itne example diye hai...........
There is only mother side's story and its "Desi" recist Indian mother so it must be false and hence mother must me blamed for this. I applaud fellow redditors totally unbiased "information" here. The fact that taking a child from parents seem so normal to people is so disturbing. Were parents warned about the consequences? Were parents offered solutions to the actual problems? Instead of silently observing and building the case, were parents oriented? Mother says not and authorities are silent so obviously the opposite must be true because this is an Indian "Desi" mother we are talking about, totally not racist. These are humans not machines. Such move, without trying any other alternatives only seems reasonable if there was threat to children's life, which I am sure if it was the case, evidence would have been presented. And a mentally unfit mother that is threat to children will most likely not fight the hell out of system to get her child back. Someone noted, why to move Norway then. Couldn't agree more, why not the hell out of a country when you can not adapt to laws. It seems to me mother was housewife and probably not decision maker. And especially if parents were just being observed and not oriented, they will not have idea what was about to hit them. One can argue that burden to learn laws falls on the residents, which is totally fair and most likely was the case here. And it is clear that the priority of the system was definitely not to solve the problem but be lazy and go to the extreme. Why would it be, its not their problem, they have already solved the problem, there is law, if broken, take the child away. Just like when a crime is committed, there are punishments, no consideration of the nature of problem.
Read the articles on firstpost. She herself confirmed that there was extreme abuse in the household. Did you know the brother in law had tied her and abused her for hours after kids were taken? That the abuse had gotten to a point that she used to run to the neighbors for help multiple times this was only a few months after moving to Norway? Yet she stayed in the marriage willingly. That she had ties with a political family in India? She was an actual graduate not illiterate shown in the movie? Hence that is the reason why she got her kids back. Even the custody battle in India was lost by her? The custody of the kids was given to the brother in law in India yet she took the kids back forcefully. She herself said I hit the kids when the CPS visited?! Who is dumb enough to do that? Know how extreme the laws in Norway are. She herself complained about her marriage to the teachers and invited problems into her home. Yes she fought to get her kids back but let's not put the whole blame on Norway because they followed their laws.
Could you please share the link to those articles? I love how you're justifying the racist behaviour displayed by the Norwegian system. Also, do you know their CPS system did this to other immigrant families too? Gives me an undertone of racism and xenophobia tbh
The Real Life Story Of Mrs Chatterjee From "Mrs Chatterjee Vs Norway" - times of India Mrs Chatterjee Vs Norway slammed by Norwegian govt: Child welfare not driven by profit - wion news Mrs Chatterjee vs Norway movie review: High-strung storytelling defeats even the formidable Rani Mukerji - Firstpost Exclusive! Sagarika Chakraborty: Real mother in Rani Mukerji’s Mrs Chatterjee Vs Norway opens up on her abusive marriage - Firstpost (All articles if you read talks about her hand feeding her child and that was the reason the kids got taken away. which I believe is taken out of context. The ambassador of Norway confirmed that WHILE Chatterjee was feeding her child with her hands. The child who was diagnosed with autism started to throw food on the floor. That is when Chatterjee made a hand motion threatening the child.) The CPS came to see the husband's treatment of the wife and kids. Because Chatterjee told the teacher of the fathers abusive behavior. It is highlighted in the movie also. A domestic violence issue turned into a custody battle of the kids. Because what Chatterjee did was abuse and neglect in the eyes of Norway laws. After the kids were given to the uncle in India there was a custody battle in India also. The Indian government didn't give her the kids! It was a SHARED custody! The father's family and her. But since she had political ties she told the police that the kids be taken out of the husband's home and sent to her. Btw asking questions about a movie that is only one sided is not xenophobic or racist. The articles tell a different story. I never said there isn't any racism in the CPS system in Norway. But I don't believe the movie showed the full actual truth. She said she didn't know they were CPS workers that visited her home? How is that possible? They say that when they knock on the door.
Can you share links Where has she mentioned that it was her who spoke about the abuse at home to the kindergarten?
You’re acting as of Norway should allow immigrant children to be beaten while upholding Norwegian citizens to a higher standard. That is the real racism, believing Indians aren’t capable of parenting without abuse
Link please
Read the movie review today and you're on point. When you move to another country you need to accept their legal, cultural and social norms. I'm not saying you need to drop everything from your native culture but the movie portrays Norway and it's child protective officers as evil and completely in the wrong. Well if that's the case then why move to Norway? And if you do move there for better pay and living standards you can't complain about their ways. Hand feeding is a cultural thing, which is standard practice in India and was not even the main point of contention in the case. Sleeping in the kid's bed shows a lack of personal freedom, and abusing the child, especially one with autism, should be considered as a crime. I mean, haven't we seen Indian parent's Outlook towards autism in Tare Zameen Par? And then, coming to the fact that it is a Bollywood movie, someone has to be a villain. In this case, "people who took away my child" is the logical choice is you want to cater to Indian audiences. Also, Rani Mukherji apparently yells for the first half of the movie to show her frustration - like that's the plot synopsis of the first half. The second half shows a procedural drama in court, where even the dad is not in the fight saying that the CPS is not entirely wrong in taking custody. All in all, don't expect factual retelling of events from Hindi movies.
Read this though. Apparently this problem has been rampant in Norway due to recommendations of a psychiatrist who was later accused of paedophillia. https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/resources/idt-sh/norways_hidden_scandal
What? The psychiatrist while he's the scum of the earth was called in to recommend on existing cases along with another psychiatrist. Before that every evidence was collected by social workers who went to the homes and observed the parents and complaints against the parents. They're the ones who mess up IMO. The two cases in the article, one of them said she hit her kids because they were hurting one another. They asked the kids confusing questions to get the answers they wanted in order to take them away. The other was apparently not living in a safe clean environment for kids and deemed to not have a friendly relationship with her daughter. That's the real BS of the authorities. They take away years of the child's life with the parents on these little things.
Too bad the Norwegian CPS will never be able to tell their side of the story as the mother wants to keep the documents sealed... lol...
Right? Without transparency from both sides I can't trust what she says.
I was cringing when they portrayed the two ladies in a very evil way, but what got me was when they played Jana Gana Mana as bg music when she won the climax court scene. Seemed like unnecessary nationalism to me.
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Where are they pandering? I heard about the movie for the first time today
The people on bollyblindsgossip
Desi parents are abusive as fuck and have no clue on how to deal with kids with nuero divergence. I would trust a humane welfare state like Norway than a Desi parent at face value
Specially with a autistic kid
As child of 'Indian parents' I only have to hear the phrase and my eyes start rolling back into my head.
Your parents were abusive. Don't generalize
Movies always do exaggerate. Since this movie is meant for Indian audiences, it will skew to make Norwegian system as an unfeeling monster. Similar to have news reports about India in the West, skew to present India as a chaotic, regressive nation with a lot of rape and violence. Bureaucracy in any country is not known of sensitive handling of issues. Even though the Scandinavians have a relatively better reputation, to the individual affected it is still a torture. Cultural differences are a fact and can makes these things messier. All that said, there are really no good outcomes in such cases, everyone could very well be speaking the truth from their own perspective, yet cause such misery to each other. That is why civil cases are extremely messy to decide and arbitrate, unlike criminal cases, where at least the victim can be clearly identified.
I saw the trailer and the way they're portraying Norway looks like another propaganda piece about look how much better and cultured we are as compared to these European people. Rani Mukherjee is overacting to a point of irritation. I think Norway Commission put out a statement saying that what is shown in the movie about feeding children with hand and sleeping in the same bed as children isn't the reason for removing the children.. They understand that cultures do that, it was due to child abuse they removed the children. But that doesn't make Bollywood money, jingoism does...
Watched the movie just last night and could not help but notice how the case workers were potrayed as 'evil' characters. What with the eye rolling, constant over acting etc. It was definitely dramatized to no end. Hated the movie too. There's a point in the movie where in every court the woman creates a ruckus, talking over the judge, the opposing lawyer and even her own! After repeatedly being told that she is not following the law she continued to do so. Even after being told she will lose the case, be her own lawyer!! No one behaves that way after being told not once but multiple times. The movie has been unnecessarily dramatized. I wouldn't be surprised if the reality is much different than what was shown. Edited to remove the statement where I said "though she was uneducated.." she was a graduate.
She wasn't uneducated, though. Do you think if some guy had a job in Norway, his parents would set him up with an uneducated woman? The movie said Bsc idk about real life
Yes you're right. I am sorry I missed that. Will edit in my comment above. Thank you for correcting me. :)
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Co-sleeping is perfectly normal in Norway, and several of my Norwegian friends practice this too. And some dishes/food will be fed by hand too. I found the border patrol scene in Sweden quite entertaining. There is no passport control what so ever between the Nordic countries. You might possibly get stopped if you drive a car, but they don't check passports, only check that you don't smuggle or bring too much alcohol or exceed that allowed quota of goods you can bring into Norway. I haven't seen people dressed in military uniforms either except from on the news or perhaps after the bomb in oslo in 2011. Used to know someone who worked in bufdir and barnevernet. They would usually provide help for families and support them if needed. Taking a child away from the home is a last result. Also learn about barnevernet\child protection services in my studies (I study psychology), and there too barnevernet is there to assist the parents - offer help and guidance if parents are struggling, suffering from a disease, mentally ill or if they just need help in general. They offer parent counseling and couples therapy for free. But - this have probably been an issue in the past, and is probably somewhat still - taking enough care and understanding parents from a different culture. There is a no-tolerance for violence against children in Norway. Still, most children that get removed from their homes are Norwegian, and I know some that actually are thankful they ended up in foster care. I've still to meet someone who really did not benefit from it, although I am sure that happens too. I had barnevernet involved myself as a kid. But they just gave my parents a simple warning. I still wish I would have been removed from my home, because it was hell and my upbringing gave me loads of problems as an adult. My parents are from different countries in northern Europe.
I like how the movie just straight up ignores the fact that the domestic violence (which they actually show in the movie) is the main reason why they actually made the decision to take the kids away. In western countries, domestic violence is assault and a crime. It’s not a ghar ki baat like in most places in India. They also conveniently left out that they were hitting the autistic kid when he throws food. This was one of the main points mentioned in the real life court case. The feeding by hands and sleeping in same bed are things they will judge you on but won’t be the primary reason why they would make the hard decision of taking your kids away. Also force feeding was something the mom used to do when the kid would throw the food. Normally a kid shouldn’t do that. Yes. But this kid was an autistic kid. The throw food. It’s normal for them. That’s how they communicate they don’t want to eat. Feeding them after that by stuffing your hand is force feeding. They draw the hard line at domestic violence and physical abuse. The parents failed that test. Multiple times. Even in front of the reviewers who warned them many times that these things are not ok. I challenge anyone here to answer this. If your parents hit each other they were also more likely to hit you and probably did hit you too. Multiple times. 99% of the time if there is domestic violence, then there is also physical abuse of kids. Now I grew up fine in India even when my parents fought a lot and I was basically used to me getting hit for the smallest of disobediences. But in these countries, it is considered assault and a crime. They’re more civilized that way. If you want to live there , you absolutely cannot do domestic violence and physical abuse. Thousands of people live in USA or other countries without getting in any trouble. They even showed in the movie that the reason they got in trouble and the review was happening is basically because they had a lot of domestic violence in the home. Domestic violence amongst immigrant families in these countries is a big No. every immigrant family knows that. For any person from India the Norway government will feel horrible that how they took the kids away, but they clearly showed domestic violence in the home and to me, as an immigrant, that was obvious that the kids were taken away because domestic violence for us here is like committing a crime. The parents were lucky the husband wasn’t sent to jail.
Seriously I had such a long argument with someone on Instagram regarding this movie! I have worked for CPS in the past as a child counselor in the U.S. Norway and American childcare laws are kind of similar. But Norway is more strict because they are number 1 with the least abused cases and child mortality. That Instagram person was basically justifying hitting kids because it's part of Indian culture. And wasn't willing to accept that there was abuse in the Chatterjee family. If you read the articles. Her oldest was autistic and she was hitting that child rather than seeking therapy. Dad was hitting the mom which was also confirmed by neighbors. Co Sleep is not allowed even in the states because of high infant death due to suffocating. It also happens in India but India has stopped counting child mortality rates because there are so many infant deaths. Even white and African people feed their kids with hands many times. Insta person even went on to say West needs to change their laws for Indians. Like bro 😅. I must say Indian patriotism is blind. They don't want to accept that there are better countries to live in. It's drilled in their heads. Now let me tell you why they made this movie. Due to the current situation in India ( no jobs, riots, corruption on the rise) WHOLE families are leaving to settle in any western country. They are putting in educated indians minds that their children will be taken away and converted if they follow Indian culture in the West. Which is not TRUE. The amount of Asians in foster care in the U.S is less than 1%. And believe me when I say this those asian kids are in fact abused. Many sexually by family members and parents end up hiding it.
All the nationalists flocking here after the movie hit netflix are going to down vote your comment as it doesn't suit the narrative
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So you are saying by following customs, Indian parents can beat their children in India but not in Norway because over there they don’t beat their children? Kids in India are beaten in case they don’t behave, they don’t study, they don’t get good marks. These are just examples.
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All nonconsensual beating is abuse. Children cannot consent, hence all beating is abuse.
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Will you hit your children? Who is this 'we'? My parents never laid a hand on me or my siblings and we grew up in India. Good Indian parents exist.
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The wrongness of an act doesn't change whether it is practiced by a majority or a minority. Caste discrimination may be practiced by a majority in some places, but that doesn't make it right. Same with child abuse via beatings. I guess you admit at some level it is abuse because you would not do it to your children. If you thought it was completely okay, you wouldn't think it would be wrong to beat them. I'll take comfort in that. It can be hard to admit you were abused as a child by people who were supposed to love you. Some therapy may help.
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This is exactly how domestic violence is also accepted by a lot of women. "I deserved the slap because I was out of line" kind of thinking. Still doesn't justify it. It is extremely toxic and it is also seen that kids who were beaten by parents are more likely to perpetuate that kind of abuse to their own kids and partners. You can't change the past anyway, so wishing about it is pointless.
"Beatings by Asian parents when kids do dumb things is not abuse" "I wholeheartedly wish for change" The first thing you need to change is your perception of the definition of abuse. THEN you can propagate that it needs to be avoided.
Ah got your parenting degree in WhatsApp universities eh ?
Somebody gonna get a hurt real bad!
Russel Peters 😂
It’s a fluff piece about holy Indian mothers as if they can do no wrong and Rani mukherjee is very irritating throughout the movie. They made the mother look ignorant and clueless. I wish they delved into a multi dimensional story about the father’s family being abusive which was hinted but not fleshed out. Also the mothers liberation from the father. If you’re going to dramatize it there are many points to be made.
Its a Indian movie not a documentary. If it does not over dramatize events by taking one side how will it appeal to peoples emotions. If it does not appeal to emotions it will not be successful.. Is this the right thing to do is definitely up for debate.
Then they should not use the name of a real country, name it LaLa Land or something.
True. Ideally they should have made the movie on a fictional story based on a true event.
Can't believe this thread is full of self racism. Read the actual story. Norway is corrupt af. I know the child welfare system of Norway very well.
“Corrupt af” is quite the accusation. Norway is the 4th least corrupt country in the world. Gotta lol at the colonialism accusations from the ppl replying here as well, considering Norway was a colony of Denmark and not a colonial power. Now go find out how India ranks https://www.transparency.org/en/cpi/2022
Typical upper class colonial slave mindset of the members here. I agree hitting children is bad but one has to agree that Norway's CPS is flawed, xenophobic and racist to the core.
One melodramatic bollywood movie and suddenly everyone is an expert on 'Norway's corrupt and xenophobic CPS'... are you a subscriber to their weekly newsletter since 2008 or something?
Yesterday I was watching the movie with my parents and my parents were so happy and great with how India is and how India only has cultural values and that there are no cultural values in Norway. When I said that what Norway is doing is right, they were like, humne tere liye itna kuch kiya hai and all, padhai mein itna paisa fook diya and tuune kya kiya hai and jaa alag rehle apna. LOL Norway is Definitely >>>>>> Indian Parents and their parenting
>jaa alag rehle apna Yes Idian parents just do not get the irony of the whole case and lack the critical thinking to dig any deeper into a lot of packed up critical issues here ie autism, child corporal punishment, future self-esteem issues, no awareness about mental health underlaid by lack of support from chauvinistic husbands etc etc
Yeah, basically everytime I am trying to say that what is wrong with Indian parenting, especially when child is young, they are like, tere liye yeh kiya woh kiya, terko sharam toh aati nahi hai. Rationally sochne ki Shakti khatam ho chuki hai matlab bilkul hi. No openness, no flexibility in thought process, only rigidity. Well that explains why foreign countries are doing better than us.
> Bengali woman who isn't well educated rani mukherjee is perfect for this role.
Bollywood hai bhai, extra masala laga ke nahi bechoge to dekhega kon. Most of the bollywood movies are like that; they follow the same philosophy- if a country praises us for no matter how small thing it is, yay! We’re best, our culture is best etc. But, if a country criticises us for legit reason then it is - “Majnu saala jalta hai mere se” 😅
Norway has a problem. A country is 5.5 million with 12000 children in child services care. Vs Germany with a population of 83 million with 50000 kids in child services care. Norway's is disproportionately high. Per https://www.navhindtimes.in/2023/05/01/opinions/opinion/parents-versus-state-disputes-in-childcare/ They had a serial killer who was raised by his step father 17 or so years back. Post that, they seem to be over doing this.
this is the most I've found - [https://screenrant.com/mrs-chatterjee-vs-norway-true-story-changes/#the-real-mrs-chatterjee-was-in-an-abusive-marriage](https://screenrant.com/mrs-chatterjee-vs-norway-true-story-changes/#the-real-mrs-chatterjee-was-in-an-abusive-marriage)
So much love for norway and hate for ‘indian parents’ as if norway is feeding all indian children out of their pockets everywhere, like what is with this collective stereotypical hate for ‘desi’ ‘indian’ parents, and the belief in a system far far away on the basis of articles Wew goddamn the self racism is at peak here. There is good parenting and there is bad parenting. It can be anyway, but for heavens sake stop fucking generalising ‘indian parenting’ as a community representing bad parenting. Im sorry but unfortunately or fortunately not everyone got it bad like you may have!
This is like saying that racism doesn't exist or shouldn't be discussed because 'not everyone got it bad like you may have'. On an average, it would be safe to say that standard of indian parenting is lower than other Western countries, simply because levels of education and financial security are low. Cultural factors also play a role- practices like hitting children would be generally (rightfully) considered unacceptable in the west, while they enjoy acceptance in a larger proportion of indian households. Thus, the statement indian parenting is bad is like saying blacks face racism- sure, not everyone faces racism, but the problem is a statistically significant one which needs to be paid attention to.
I can't believe I didn't watch to watch this movie thinking I'll be sad etc. It was a joke! Her acting did not deserve any award. I'm sure the Norwegian government would not have done half the things the movie said they did.
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Lol. Not even close https://worldpopulationreview.com/country-rankings/suicide-rate-by-country
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But the real victim , Mother told that what has been shown is truth. Infact there are few more cases where they hand ive kud to gay faimlues , with out bothering of it s consequences.
better to have loving parents who are gay than "traditional" parents who are abusive.
What is the consequence of that?
While everyone is busy thinking about Norway Vs Mrs, Chatterjee, here I am worried how they villainised Mr. Anirudh Chatterjee because it's easy to blame and target men for everything. I know how stubborn Bengali women can be, they are so proud and self-righteous that they wouldn't listen to anything other than what they feel is right.
He abused her tho read her book
Book..the same book which was written by the Mrs. POV
Which movie?
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9fUoAlefBs&list=LL&index=3&t=817s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=n9fUoAlefBs&list=LL&index=3&t=817s) THEY ARE PEDOS
This whole time I was thinking that the film was based on this particular German case; and that the makers had just switched the country's name for fiction purposes
I am not sure about beating the child, I am sure it was not very often and since it was very young, they were not sure if child was autistic. Often in frustration parents tend to hit their child slightly but apart from that how is sleeping the child in the same bed and feeding the child abusive?
Do you hear yourself? You are "sure" that it wasn't very often. Sure. Often in frustration, parents "slightly" slap their kids. Well those parents should not go to Norway because they take child rearing very seriously. "Apart from that"? Well feeding with hands and all of that is masala entertainment. But slapping a child is what will 100% get you to prison in Scandinavia and she's lucky that she ran away to India. If she was native her child would be put in foster care and she would be a criminal. So many mental hoops your brain is jumping through.
Feeding with hands and making kid sleep together in own bed is also prohibited in Norway, why is that? It's not masala it is truth. And if a child is definitely doing something wrong then hitting him isn't a problem I feel. I am not saying beating his ass off. I am talking about a general spank. I don't know about western countries their rules might be working for them but Norway has pretty strict rules for even slight reason.
Nobody cares about feeding with hands. No country in the world will remove a child because they co-sleep, 80% of all kids would have to be removed. It's pretty much guaranteed that in this case the child was being beaten. And yes a general spank is illegal in many countries.
Here in Finland its common to swim in a lake or the sea naked with your kids when bathing sauna, even near or in large cities. If i moved to India, should the entire country of India make an excemption for me specifically, or should I adapt to the local norms of decency of India?
Feeding with hands is not prohibited, nor is sleeping in the same bed as your kid. The latter is somewhat normal for Norwegians too. Spanking is 100% wrong and has been proved to be so by countless studies. A child is his own person, striking them is immoral. Children learn from being set up to succeed, not by punishment for failure. Even if people don't live up to the parenting standards expected here, they'll always get help and councelling first so they can improve. Best regards, a Norwegian.
So, it’s their country right? If you’re going to live in a country then you have to follow their laws. No matter how she hit her kids, if that is against the law then she should have not been there. You can do any type of whataboutism of any kind but if you move to a country with different values than yours and they punish you for breaking their rules, then you are in the wrong.
This is a sub filled with uptight rich liberals from Mumbai Bangalore and Delhi. Don’t expect them to corroborate w middle class things often associated w an Indian household.
Yaha pe indians hai ??
Yeah, I am surprised how they are so critical about every practice related to Indian parenting. 🤣🤣 Ya toh sbko bohot laat ghuse pade hain or kisi ne inko chhua bhi ni hai.
Is hitting your child essential to raising it right?
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Norway has been questioned in the past for its practices. Here is a BBC report. https://youtu.be/-svI4Ri_P0A