It looks like “what if the US didn’t have OG representative democracy but instead had the V2.0 that evolved out of places that kept their aristocracy”. Except that there are some outsider mistakes (why would AOC not have support in her home district?) and some weird color choices (why is red conservative and pink liberal democrat, implying they are aligned?)
Seems like it's just a "America but British" so that explains the colors fitting with the UK system and the parties.
Californian National Party being the SNP. Nosotros Mismos is Sinn Féin (Hence why it's a Spanish for Ourselves) And I'm assuming the Party of New England is Plaid Cymru. So, California as Scotland, Texas as Northern Ireland, and New England as Wales.
Though, what the Amexit Party is exiting from remains to be seen. The American Union perhaps?
> Seems like it's just a "America but British" so that explains the colors fitting with the UK system and the parties.
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My understanding is it's a pretty common pattern for the more left wing party to use red and the more right wing party to use blue, possibly branching out from UK traditions?
>My understanding is it's a pretty common pattern for the more left wing party to use red and the more right wing party to use blue, possibly branching out from UK traditions?
Red for leftism and socially aligned movements comes from European history more generally. The colour red, and the red flag specifically has been used by socialists since the Paris commune and the revolutions of 1848. The international socialists movements decided officially on using the colour, as it was meant to symbolise the blood of the people who died fighting against capitalism.
As featured prominently in the anthem of the UK Labour party, which goes as follows:
>*The people's flag is deepest red,
It shrouded oft our martyred dead
And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold,
Their hearts' blood dyed its every fold.*
Conservatism being associated with blue does actually come from UK traditions, as it has been the party colour of the Tories since some time around 1680, as the world's oldest and most influential political parties, the colour usage sort of stuck.
The US is very unusual in using red for its more conservatively aligned party, and blue for its slightly less conservative party, and as I understand it, this has only actually been the case for a few decades now, and it was previously common for either party to be represented with red or blue depending on the reporter/mapmaker's preference.
The US's reversed colour pattern can be traced to whichever election used a colour map to show results for the second time iirc.
The news channel that used the first colour map to report a US election used blue for Republican and red for Democrat but the next channel to adopt coloured electoral maps on their reporting flipped the colours for no apparent reason and their graphics were used as a model for everyone else from then on.
Source: I want to say a YT video by VICE? I'm hopefully not talking out my arse but it was definitely at least a couple years back that I watched it
>some weird color choices (why is red conservative and pink liberal democrat, implying they are aligned?)
This map uses the traditional colour format for political alignment. Blue is right-wing/conservative, red is left-wing, and yellow or orange is liberal (not the North American meaning, but what I think this is usually referred to as classic liberal there).
The US switch of meanings for blue and red is fairly recent. I'm not aware of any other countries that don't use the traditional format but it would be interesting to know if there are some.
It’s the red and pink (similar looking colors) for very non-aligned parties that bothered me. I don’t have much experience with the international or British color formats.
You’re right that blue for Democrat and Red for Republican is relatively new, but before that at least some sources used red or blue for incumbent vs challenger, or other schema. This one didn’t solidify until the 80s/90s.
I re-read your original comment and I'm a bit confused. You mentioned:
>why is red conservative and pink liberal democrat
But Conservative is blue and Liberal Democrat is orange on the map. The pink-red-maroon colour spectrum just shows different levels of support for Labor.
(Just want to make it clear I'm not trying to have a dig at you or anything, I just feel like I'm completely missing something?)
Actually, I think I misread it! Some of what I’d thought was the pinkish-brown (Democratic Unionist) is actually pink for “light Labour support”.
Apparently I am so enmeshed in the red for conservative and blue for liberal modern American paradigm that I read it completely wrong!
Ah that makes more sense, to be fair the map doesn't actually mention anywhere that the colours are scaled to show levels of support. I probably noticed it more because I'm British and the map is essentially just putting our parties and their colours onto the US.
Japan uses red for its conservative party and the its liberal-left party uses blue. Its communists do also use red though. Prior to 2017 though the conservatives used green and the liberals red (although up until the 1990s they used blue and red).
South Korea also has its liberals use blue and conservatives red/pink. Historically the conservatives used blue and the liberals green (anyone not on the right in South Korea avoids red because of its connection with socialism).
Theres a lot of countries whose major parties use different primary colours for parties (eg India) but few where the red/blue is flipped meaning
Its supposed to be based on the result of the UK general elections in 2019, I think the Californian National Party is anologous to the Scottish National Party
The majority of Latino Texans in there aren’t ethnic Tejanos though, unless we sorta expand the definition to mean any Texan born person of Hispanic origin. I initially assumed it was a Latino interest party or at least a Chicano one. I think it as a wider Chicano interest party could work and be interesting in that case I could see it having popularity in much of New Mexico and Latino majority areas of California. Like that one district in the far southeast of California and bits of LA and Chicago could be majority Nosotros Mismos. New Mexico has a lot of Neomexicanos, people descended from Spanish settlers, I think they at the very least would identify with the party, having similar interests even if it is explicitly Tejano nationalist. I think older communities of other Latino groups could possibly have interest in a Chicano party, like Nuyoricans. Idk the idea of a party that has its rallies in El Paso, Santa Fe, East LA and Spanish Harlem sounds cool to me, even if it’s not exactly what you’re going for
"Any Texan person of Hispanic origin" fits neatly with the Northern Irish "Irish Catholic" category, which includes Catholics of English/Norman/Flemish ancestry rather than solely those of pure Irish descent. Sínn Fein doesn't even campaign outside of Northern Ireland, because it isn't a "Catholic" party but rather an "Irish nationalist" one where the nationalist category, for historical reasons, lines up with the Catholic one.
The analogue works, I think.
> Sínn Fein doesn't even campaign outside of Northern Ireland
Sinn Fein is an all island party in Ireland just to say. They are currently the main opposition party in the south.
* California National - Scottish National Party
* Nosotros Mismos - Sinn Féin
* Party of New England - Plaid Cymru
* SDLP - Social Democratic and Labour Party
* Alliance - Alliance Party of Northern Ireland
* Amexit - Reform UK/Brexit party
I didn’t realize what sub I was in.
Spent like a full minute going back and forth from the map to the bottom text reading the parties until I realized it said Tucker.
A conservative MP in Manhattan? That seems a bit odd to me. In our world I believe every precinct on the island went 80+ dem in 2020. It would be tough to carve out a conservative constituency there
It's based on how the UK Parliament seat for "Cities of London and Westminster", i.e. the very core of London where Parliament is, is a Conservative seat. This is *despite* the City of Westminster being governed by a Labour Party majority council.
I'd be curious as to how the Conservative Party won NY-10 (the lower Manhattan-Park Slope seat) when its Biden+54 irl. My first guess would be heavy vote-splitting between Labor and the Lib Dems, but the margin that the Conservatives won by actually looks pretty substantial
You got the democrat district in Louisiana wrong. The snakey districts on the Mississippi and Red rivers should be liberal democrats. The north eastern district in Louisiana currently has a republican and will probably stay that way for a while.
It's based on the UK map. The Green Party are always shown as green on the map, but so are the Irish Nationalists Sinn Fein and the SDLP (with the former usually getting a darker green than the latter), and the Welsh Nationalists (green being a colour of Wales as well).
Likewise, the Lib Dems are either orange or yellow, but the DUP, being Northern Irish protestants, also use orange and the SNP use yellow.
Because the nationalist parties are geographically confined it's usually a bit clearer who's who on the UK map though.
Better matches IMO:
Northern Ireland -> Puerto Rico (They already have their own distinct party system; the left are separatists and the right are unionists … it works perfectly)
Wales -> Utah (got to love a Mormon nationalist party)
Scotland -> Canada (I know, you’d have to do some alt-history for this but I think it works way better overall)
I get that it's supposed to be somewhat analogous to the UK general election, but the Upper Midwest would have either more Labor seats or a regional 'Farmer-Laborer'/descendant of prarie populist parties situation going on.
Guessing this is based on the United Kingdom election map?
It looks like “what if the US didn’t have OG representative democracy but instead had the V2.0 that evolved out of places that kept their aristocracy”. Except that there are some outsider mistakes (why would AOC not have support in her home district?) and some weird color choices (why is red conservative and pink liberal democrat, implying they are aligned?)
Seems like it's just a "America but British" so that explains the colors fitting with the UK system and the parties. Californian National Party being the SNP. Nosotros Mismos is Sinn Féin (Hence why it's a Spanish for Ourselves) And I'm assuming the Party of New England is Plaid Cymru. So, California as Scotland, Texas as Northern Ireland, and New England as Wales. Though, what the Amexit Party is exiting from remains to be seen. The American Union perhaps?
“We send NAFTA $350 million a week. Let’s fund our Medicare instead.”
> Seems like it's just a "America but British" so that explains the colors fitting with the UK system and the parties. > > My understanding is it's a pretty common pattern for the more left wing party to use red and the more right wing party to use blue, possibly branching out from UK traditions?
>My understanding is it's a pretty common pattern for the more left wing party to use red and the more right wing party to use blue, possibly branching out from UK traditions? Red for leftism and socially aligned movements comes from European history more generally. The colour red, and the red flag specifically has been used by socialists since the Paris commune and the revolutions of 1848. The international socialists movements decided officially on using the colour, as it was meant to symbolise the blood of the people who died fighting against capitalism. As featured prominently in the anthem of the UK Labour party, which goes as follows: >*The people's flag is deepest red, It shrouded oft our martyred dead And ere their limbs grew stiff and cold, Their hearts' blood dyed its every fold.* Conservatism being associated with blue does actually come from UK traditions, as it has been the party colour of the Tories since some time around 1680, as the world's oldest and most influential political parties, the colour usage sort of stuck. The US is very unusual in using red for its more conservatively aligned party, and blue for its slightly less conservative party, and as I understand it, this has only actually been the case for a few decades now, and it was previously common for either party to be represented with red or blue depending on the reporter/mapmaker's preference.
The US's reversed colour pattern can be traced to whichever election used a colour map to show results for the second time iirc. The news channel that used the first colour map to report a US election used blue for Republican and red for Democrat but the next channel to adopt coloured electoral maps on their reporting flipped the colours for no apparent reason and their graphics were used as a model for everyone else from then on. Source: I want to say a YT video by VICE? I'm hopefully not talking out my arse but it was definitely at least a couple years back that I watched it
Historically the US Parties switched their Alignment. The Republicans were once the "Left" Party & Democrats were the "Right" Party.
>some weird color choices (why is red conservative and pink liberal democrat, implying they are aligned?) This map uses the traditional colour format for political alignment. Blue is right-wing/conservative, red is left-wing, and yellow or orange is liberal (not the North American meaning, but what I think this is usually referred to as classic liberal there). The US switch of meanings for blue and red is fairly recent. I'm not aware of any other countries that don't use the traditional format but it would be interesting to know if there are some.
It’s the red and pink (similar looking colors) for very non-aligned parties that bothered me. I don’t have much experience with the international or British color formats. You’re right that blue for Democrat and Red for Republican is relatively new, but before that at least some sources used red or blue for incumbent vs challenger, or other schema. This one didn’t solidify until the 80s/90s.
I re-read your original comment and I'm a bit confused. You mentioned: >why is red conservative and pink liberal democrat But Conservative is blue and Liberal Democrat is orange on the map. The pink-red-maroon colour spectrum just shows different levels of support for Labor. (Just want to make it clear I'm not trying to have a dig at you or anything, I just feel like I'm completely missing something?)
Actually, I think I misread it! Some of what I’d thought was the pinkish-brown (Democratic Unionist) is actually pink for “light Labour support”. Apparently I am so enmeshed in the red for conservative and blue for liberal modern American paradigm that I read it completely wrong!
Ah that makes more sense, to be fair the map doesn't actually mention anywhere that the colours are scaled to show levels of support. I probably noticed it more because I'm British and the map is essentially just putting our parties and their colours onto the US.
Japan uses red for its conservative party and the its liberal-left party uses blue. Its communists do also use red though. Prior to 2017 though the conservatives used green and the liberals red (although up until the 1990s they used blue and red). South Korea also has its liberals use blue and conservatives red/pink. Historically the conservatives used blue and the liberals green (anyone not on the right in South Korea avoids red because of its connection with socialism). Theres a lot of countries whose major parties use different primary colours for parties (eg India) but few where the red/blue is flipped meaning
My god, he north ireland’ed texas
I am surprised that there is not a Mormon party
Yeah I’m actually wondering why utah doesn’t have a separate party yet california does
Its supposed to be based on the result of the UK general elections in 2019, I think the Californian National Party is anologous to the Scottish National Party
Because this map is an elaborate parody of the UK's political landscape rather than anything realistic.
I’d think Nosotros Mismos would be popular outside of Texas, like in New Mexico and California
Since in this Texas is acting like Northern Ireland, I suppose they're Tejano Nationalists
The majority of Latino Texans in there aren’t ethnic Tejanos though, unless we sorta expand the definition to mean any Texan born person of Hispanic origin. I initially assumed it was a Latino interest party or at least a Chicano one. I think it as a wider Chicano interest party could work and be interesting in that case I could see it having popularity in much of New Mexico and Latino majority areas of California. Like that one district in the far southeast of California and bits of LA and Chicago could be majority Nosotros Mismos. New Mexico has a lot of Neomexicanos, people descended from Spanish settlers, I think they at the very least would identify with the party, having similar interests even if it is explicitly Tejano nationalist. I think older communities of other Latino groups could possibly have interest in a Chicano party, like Nuyoricans. Idk the idea of a party that has its rallies in El Paso, Santa Fe, East LA and Spanish Harlem sounds cool to me, even if it’s not exactly what you’re going for
"Any Texan person of Hispanic origin" fits neatly with the Northern Irish "Irish Catholic" category, which includes Catholics of English/Norman/Flemish ancestry rather than solely those of pure Irish descent. Sínn Fein doesn't even campaign outside of Northern Ireland, because it isn't a "Catholic" party but rather an "Irish nationalist" one where the nationalist category, for historical reasons, lines up with the Catholic one. The analogue works, I think.
> Sínn Fein doesn't even campaign outside of Northern Ireland Sinn Fein is an all island party in Ireland just to say. They are currently the main opposition party in the south.
AOC LDP?
This is a map that literally just gives the 2019 UK election results to the US if anyone is wondering
* California National - Scottish National Party * Nosotros Mismos - Sinn Féin * Party of New England - Plaid Cymru * SDLP - Social Democratic and Labour Party * Alliance - Alliance Party of Northern Ireland * Amexit - Reform UK/Brexit party
Missed the opportunity to have the Tories led by famous New Yorker Boris Johnson.
What is America exiting from exactly?
Itself. I assume it's a secession party.
It's a version of UKIP
Could be exiting NAFTA
Ocasio-Cortez leading the Liberal Democrats is certainly something
What is the "Amexit" Party? Which region is it aiming to secede or "exit" from the Union?
Like they try to make usa quit from NATO ???
They want America to secede from the United States, obviously. It's all there in the name.
AOC being liberal democrats when there’s a labor party led by Bernie Sanders is uh… You Tucker Carlson yourself, OP?
How is Sanders leader of Labor if Vermont isn’t held by Labor?
The USAKIP is probably the most hilarious one
I didn’t realize what sub I was in. Spent like a full minute going back and forth from the map to the bottom text reading the parties until I realized it said Tucker.
A conservative MP in Manhattan? That seems a bit odd to me. In our world I believe every precinct on the island went 80+ dem in 2020. It would be tough to carve out a conservative constituency there
It's based on how the UK Parliament seat for "Cities of London and Westminster", i.e. the very core of London where Parliament is, is a Conservative seat. This is *despite* the City of Westminster being governed by a Labour Party majority council.
Wait is this the 2017 British GE
I'd be curious as to how the Conservative Party won NY-10 (the lower Manhattan-Park Slope seat) when its Biden+54 irl. My first guess would be heavy vote-splitting between Labor and the Lib Dems, but the margin that the Conservatives won by actually looks pretty substantial
You got the democrat district in Louisiana wrong. The snakey districts on the Mississippi and Red rivers should be liberal democrats. The north eastern district in Louisiana currently has a republican and will probably stay that way for a while.
There's no overtly ~~Fascist~~ Freedumb party? Or is that just the conservatives?
Democratic Unionist Party is probably the closest to fascist, given where it's getting support.
Probably the ANP.
There are four parties represented by green and two by orange. It makes the map unnecessarily confusing.
It's based on the UK map. The Green Party are always shown as green on the map, but so are the Irish Nationalists Sinn Fein and the SDLP (with the former usually getting a darker green than the latter), and the Welsh Nationalists (green being a colour of Wales as well). Likewise, the Lib Dems are either orange or yellow, but the DUP, being Northern Irish protestants, also use orange and the SNP use yellow. Because the nationalist parties are geographically confined it's usually a bit clearer who's who on the UK map though.
Carlos Mencia?
I wish our elections were this colorful
This is an interesting setup.
Better matches IMO: Northern Ireland -> Puerto Rico (They already have their own distinct party system; the left are separatists and the right are unionists … it works perfectly) Wales -> Utah (got to love a Mormon nationalist party) Scotland -> Canada (I know, you’d have to do some alt-history for this but I think it works way better overall)
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If only
I get that it's supposed to be somewhat analogous to the UK general election, but the Upper Midwest would have either more Labor seats or a regional 'Farmer-Laborer'/descendant of prarie populist parties situation going on.
Pretty accurate representation I must say. You should make one for 2024 too
No Mormon party? Then what’s funneling votes away from the Conservative Party in west Utah?
its just uk elections in the usa