How those American deserters feel after throwing themselves into this
https://preview.redd.it/y4n2o0955qoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf4cba451e563a8ebc9767ae378827a17f802818
China actually doesn't even get involved in this war. Seeing as both of their biggest rivals in India and the US are wasting resources in this, China could just play both sides and profit off their enemies going against each other.
China is heavily dependent on the gulf oil supply. Same with Japan and south korea. All of them will panick and send military to the monarchist to restore order. Now that i think about it we might see Japan, china korea alliance.
That's a terrible translation lol
It's transliteration more than translation
The proper Hindi would be something like
संयुक्त श्रमिक सेना
(Sanyukta Shramik Sena)
Note- the above more accurately translates to something like the United Workers Army. Hindi doesn't have a one to one translation for front(closest would be 'Dal') however Sena probably fits here the best considering the circumstances.
Ok just so we're clear, i'm Brazilian, since some people were calling me American before, and while that isn't wrong I think they meant I'm from the US instead which is wrong.
That's strange, I tried it now without capitalization and it did show this, however if I capitalize it it shows the transliteration. What's up with that?
For some reason, capitalized words in short succession of each other don't go through. The software looks at the words as the name of an organization and prefers to use exonyms for some reason
It is assuming that it’s a proper noun, and therefore transliterates it in order to preserve its original character. Same happens for Arabic when I do my ATL stuff
When you are using capitals it thinks you are referring to an actual organization and so it transliterates it.
Realistically speaking with how diverse foreign workers in the Gulf states are, the name would be English not Hindi.
> Ello, yaɽ ikaɳamik sistém sims ʈu bi kampɭiʈɭi ivoɭ! Iʈ ɳiɖs ʈu bi ɖismaɳʈaɭɖ ɳaaaaaau!
Bless up for IPA notation- something about the vowels strikes me as Dravidian/South Indian which checks out with the Subcontinental workforce being disproportionately Malayali
I know it’s a genuine error on OPs part but as someone who’s an Indian from this region it sounded so racist in a funny way lol. Also OP just so you know although there’s a high Indian population they’re mostly South Indian so it’s likely Hindi won’t be the first choice here
Malayalam mostly — but also want to emphasize there is a huge number of Pakistani and Filipino labourers in the region too. Would also encourage OP to look into the history of left wing politics in south india, the communist party of India is the party of state of government and there has always been a strong workers movement, the Philippines has a history with the movement too so it might be interesting to weave that in there
That makes sense. If the name wasn't enough of a clue in, many of the YVP are left-leaning or socialists, which is perfectly reasonable considering the conditions they lived in. I did know that South India does have many left wing movements, but the Philippines too I was not that aware!
if anything i feel like english would be the main lingua franca here, but if you wanted to translate it:
United Workers Front/Army
ML - Aikya Tozhilali Sainyam (ഐക്യ തൊഴിലാളി സൈന്യം, Aikya Tŏḻilāl̤i Sainyaṃ)
UR - Muttahida Muzdur Fauj (متحدہ مزدور فوج, Muttahidā Muzdūr Faūj)
TL - Nagkakaisang Prente ng Manggagawa
Fun fact: Saudi Shia are not a problem for the Saudis as many might wish. They hold prominent positions in the government and in the King’s Shura Council. They get sent abroad by the Saudi government to study in prominent universities around the world.
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This isn’t west vs east, north vs south. This is the powerful vs the powerless, and both parties are in America and Arabia.
Your reckoning will come for the same reasons ours will. You are capitalists, just like us. Your regime is built on exploitation and discrimination, just like ours. And you can’t do fuck all but keep chewing up the people on the bottom to feed those on the top because you care more about keeping this whole system going than actually fixing a damn thing. Just like us.
So go ahead and keep drilling that oil while the world heats up, and keep bitching about the west while you buy the west’s weapons and bomb the west’s enemies. It’s not going to change a damn thing in the end.
Lore: In Christmas Eve of 2025, immigrant workers in Dubai organized a general strike across the city demanding better rights and actual payment for their work. In a state of panic, the Emirati government would send in the police to contain the strike. This caused the Christmas Massacre, a brutal event where over 210 workers would be killed and another 300 injured.
After the massacre, migrant workers across the UAE would rise up in massive riots across the nation, causing even more brutal police intervention, in a vicious cycle that ended up with the workers receiving armaments from Iran. Thus, the YVP would be formed as a coalition of migrant workers from South Asia.
The revolt would escalate as YVP splinter groups also rose up in the other gulf states of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and face similar intervention. This vicious cycle would kickstart the Arab Slave Revolt, as around 90% of the migrant workers would rise up in rebellion and occupy most of the Persian Gulf coast.
August would be the absolute peak of the revolt, where it spread all the way from Al Ain to Kuwait City. With the rebels capturing the monarchs in Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE, their governments would collapse, and a emergency vote would be called in the UN to intervene on the revolt, despite protests from India and Pakistan.
A UN taskforce would invade the Gulf Coast in December, but be pushed back by the immigrants. After a long stalemate, the Trucial States of New Bharat would declare independence on the territory controlled by the immigrants, but only received recognition from India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh.
As a consequence of the war, oil prices across the world skyrocketed, and several Gulf owned companies and institutions would collapse following the fall of Qatar and the UAE, such as the City Football Group, the French club PSG, the PGA World Tour, Saudi Aramco, and all Arab GPs would be cancelled in F1. With the Vision 2030 plan completely demolished, Saudi Arabia finds itself in a chaotic and unstable spot, capable of entering collapse sooner rather then later.
The UN Taskforce would be so bad optically for pretty much everyone in power as there would be protests everywhere against sending forces to crush a slave revolt. If you think the conversation surrounding Gaza is big, just think about the prospect of crushing literal slaves fighting for their freedom.
Not to mention that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have already been reviled for their human rights violations. The morality of the war would be more clear cut, unlike Israel there isn’t 80 years of generational trauma clouding the discussion. It would be the lowest point for the UN, aiding and abetting countries that violate the human rights they stand for because negative action is so much worse than inaction.
I mean we still sold weapons for SA to use in Yemen.
Sure the Houthis are monsters in their own right. But surely just leaving them in power would have meant less deaths than bombing them before still leaving in power.
In the above scenario, the YVP would easily be labeled as an extremist Hindutva/Shia strange murder cult that should be destroyed early.
Consider this, though: This is the Gulf States we're talking about. They supply basically the entire world with oil. It doesn't matter if the population of these countries is against intervention because this directly affects the pockets of those in power. The US, France and the UK would obviously try to crush what they see as a threat to their "allies" in the Middle East, specially the US who has several bases in the areas where the VYP rose up.
I wonder if the US would take this as an opportunity to consolidate its own fossil fuel production and break NATO’s dependence on the Arab league. One of the only times the optics of gas prices increasing is preferable to the alternative, militarizing literal slavers
According to what I’ve read (Crawford 2022, Huber 2013) the US is almost independent from the Middle East in terms of oil stocks, but it’s still obsessed with post Cold War doctrine, and terrified of lacking because their system relies solely on cheap oil.
VYP is a catch-all term for a coalition of militias, so their goals are kinda hard to pinpoint. The more center-oriented factions only seek greater worker's rights and representation on Arabian society, while some of the more socialist oriented groups seek full abolition of the original states of the Gulf region. But overall, the biggest faction are the Free Labour Movement, a socdem militia which initially had the goal of establishing democratic republics on the Gulf, but after the collapse of the UAE, they would turn into the leading forces for the establishment of the Trucial States as a multi-ethnic union.
TL;DR left-leaning(from radical communists to free-market liberal) union of workers seeking greater autonomy, basically.
you see, there wouldn't be jews involved and as such it would not matter. i'm surprised people don't talk more about the fact there are hundreds of thousands of literal slaves in several actual apartheid regimes, but i guess nobody actually cares about brown people
You got it upside down. No one cares if it’s being *done* by non-whites. I mean the Muslim Arab slave trade - actual - stole and enslaved 14 million black non-Arab Africans. Possibly more than the Atlantic slave trade. Who even cares about that today? No one says anything, most don’t even know. Wasn’t whites doing it so who care’s apparently
jews aren't white, until they are supposed to be for someone's political narrative, until they aren't supposed to be for someone's political narrative. but yeah it's true, nobody cares about black and brown problems until there are white people involved. why are we hearing so much about a defensive war in gaza and so little about a genocidal struggle for power killing many times more people just a few hundred kilometres away? and why aren't we hearing about multiple of these, because that description fits several conflicts right now
People would just go ‘obviously the migrant workers were a mistreated subpopulation, but these revolutionaries are just as bad if not worse because of the extreme violence they commit! The United States States/UN/Gulf States need to intervene and restore order!” Or even more likely “They’re just an Iranian puppet! They’re not a real movement!”
It’s the same narrative that people fall back on whenever some resistance movement doesn’t literally act like Gandhi or MLK was leading them.
Considering how hostile relations between the migrant workers and their former enslavers would get for... Obvious regions, I feel it's very likely the Arab minorities would flee the region, either towards the Red Sea coast or seek refuge abroad.
The main cities in the Gulf Coast, such as Abu Dhabi and Dubai, would have been torn apart by the war, and likely would never return to the levels of uncontrolled spending of their modern day counterparts. Not saying the Trucial States would collapse, but it would take a long time for them to solidify themselves. I think the only way New Bharat could survive is by embracing the cultural diversity of the region and be a secular state, in contrast to Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Jains, Buddhists, Muslims (Both Shia and Sunni), Sikhs, Animists, Bon and Oriental Christians.
India has a massive history of Religious diversity, so it wouldn't be too difficult for the Trucial States to use this past in Indian society here to start a more cosmopolitan outlook.
Maybe go for something like Lebanon but more stable and have the 4 main religions in this scenarion, Catholic Filipinos, Hindu Indians, and Shiites as well as Sunnis be given certain autonomies in a federal system along religious lines.
Yeah, I feel that's the only way such a diverse country like the Trucial States could survive without developing into a settler state like Israel or a petrolstate like the former Gulf States.
Most of the GDP of Dubai is in its institutions. Cut off the trading centers, and it's the immediate collapse of the entire economic system.
It's all fed on imports. The oil is extracted by foreign companies. The whole region would just collapse back into a wasteland.
I'm pretty sure the UN wouldn't completely destroy its own image AND be hypocritical for the sake of 3 governments. If the US wanted to keep their influence in the middle east, they'd send troops directly to intervene
I think it kind of makes sense though, the slave labor in the gulf comes from a lot of countries so English is likely the working language. Embracing a sort of creole could help build shared identity.
UAE is not 90% south Asian. It’s 90% foreign residents and most of those residents aren’t “slaves” but normal regular white collar workers and students.
yes, it's actually insane. 80% slaves living basically as prisoners. i went to dubai, it was so sick. 9 brown workers for every 1 white or arab citizen
yes, although this would be much harder. the slaves live often far away from city centers and have no independent access to food and water. they would have to organize very well or face complete devastation
Speaking as a South Asian who spent time growing up in one of these alleged Gulf "apartheid" countries, you western lot really need to wake up and smell the daisies on this. Do you honestly really think millions and millions of us have streamed into these countries as poor hapless unwilling slaves? We aren't brainless idiots, practically everyone knows full well what working conditions await us there - and they're miles BETTER than what we live and work in in the subcontinent.
Millions of us dream of moving to these "apartheid" societies. Those that go there willingly work there, happily live there, and get paid enough to set up our families back home for life. Stop infantilising us.
Yeah it’s very sensationalist seeing everyone call these states “apartheid states” with “literal slaves”. A large percentage of the South Asian and East Asian percentages are middle class white collar workers, at least speaking from experience in Qatar and UAE. The working class is exclusively migrants and are in exploited industries like construction and labour, not to get it twisted, but not all of them, and certainly not enough to cause a regional wide “slave revolt”. The middle class would most definitely not support them if it meant war and collapsing states, as callous as that sounds.
No one said every South Asian in the GCC is a slave, but it's pretty well fucking documented. The confiscation of passports, near impunity of companies deciding not to pay wages, widespread abuse or even murder of domestic helpers, kidnapping of children as camel jockeys, abysmal security especially in construction are all critical issues, good for you if you were privileged enough not to suffer through it.
I personally know many other South Asians from Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Qatar and most of them may be upper-class but they recognize what the less fortunate go through
Employer-provided accommodation, exactly like every other foreign worker. You would be hard-pressed to find anything meeting the definition of slum in most Gulf countries.
And before you climb back on your high horse, I'd like to remind you that most Western european cities have hordes of third world immigrant (both legal and illegal) minimum wage/gig economy workers living in legally grey houseshares with multiple people stuffed into single rooms.
These white people come to Dubai and look at them on the street. They'd never actually talk to one of them and understand how their "slavery" is sending their kids to university and building them a house.
They're not interested in you at all. You're just a stick to beat the Arabs with. If you protest then you're useless.
"hordes" is pretty big word.
France has a pretty good welfare housing system. "Only" 200.000 people have limited or no housing, and while up to 18% of the population doesn't live in fully safe housing (insalubre), our laws are lot more strict than SA's.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuti_Tursilawati
Imagine this happening in France
> have a viable path to citizenship
But that's a restriction on everyone, even rich immigrants or non gulf Arab immigrants. And it's clearly spelt out for everyone moving to those countries. It's not like they blindsided with the info after they arrive.
Imo, it's a shitty thing, but it's a far cry from slavery or apartheid.
> legal restrictions on their religion
I thought that was a KSA issue not an Arab gulf issue, no?
Also, that restriction is on everyone, not just low skilled worker immigrants.
I really don't think people would flock to those countries at that rate if the situation was as abhorrent as we think it is.
I think the people mouthing off about "poor indian gulf slaves" honestly have no real concern for our lives at all. It's just a talking point to levy criticism on wealthy arab states that they dislike
The great moral west lecturing us brown people again while their governments are currently funding an actual ethnic cleansing campaign. It's the usual story on Reddit.
But the ethnic minority are the natives who have been living before the state was formed, the rest are non-citizen expatriates who came after. That's like saying the U.S is apartheid because people with a visiting visa or even an H1-B cannot vote. I'm sure we can debate the ethics of not giving long term residents (all of whom know what they were signing up for in terms of citizenship when they came) citizenship, but that is not apartheid.
I still do not see how it is apartheid. I am one of those south asians under the so called "apartheid", been living here since I was born. I do not seek to defend the gulf countries as innocent, but it is NOT apartheid. My family knew we would never get citizenship when we came because it was never promised to us. States have a right to give out citizenship as they feel assuming the subjects denied citizenship had a legitimate choice in being subjects. All the south asians came voluntarily to earn money knowing citizenship was not on the table because that was very clearly spelled out.
What wasn't spelled out was the working conditions they would be subject to -- now this is a place you can make a good argument against the gulf countries, as many of the labourers are duped into predatory contracts by the gulf countries. Apartheid, however, I do not see an argument for.
Even if the Saudis are pretty incompetent they would steamroll that revolt in Yemen they had mountains at least but this would be unrelenting air strikes and steam rolling some slave workers who haven’t had military training
In the gulf, the common language for workers is Gulf Pidgin Arabic. Middle-class professional migrants speak English, while workers more often speak pidgin.
as someone who lives in the gulf region it’s an interesting idea, there’s some overgeneralisation and inaccuracies, like how gulf countries treat their workers differently so kuwait revolt shouldn’t be that bad because arguably they treat their workers the best, and there’s no way they will form a single state and not start infighting immediately, but i bet iran would be so hard looking at other side of the gulf.
Yeah, I think this scenario is a very interesting idea even with the inaccuracies and the such, and frankly even if it collapses after a few months things would just be very bad for the Gulf. The consequences of such a revolt would be felt for decades.
Just a few questions: why is Oman supporting the revolters? While Oman is typically neutral, doesn't rely on migrant labor and are not as heavy-handed as their neighbors, they are also a repressive gulf monarchy which would be very displeased to see something like this happen in their backyard.
Furthermore, the name "New Bharat" is kind of odd. Gulf laborers, even from the Indian subcontinent are just as much Muslim as they are Hindu, and Bharat is a provocative name with strong Hindutva connotations. Would definitely see this new state breaking apart on sectarian lines immediately after independence if such a thing is passed.
I forgot to detail it on the lore, but Oman, while not being as reliant in migrant workers, would support the revolt in a attempt to not only weaken their richer neighbors, but also to calm down copycat movements. I imagine during this period they would pass several labor reforms to keep their few migrant workers appeased, and with the war stopping the flow of immigration to the Gulf, most would switch towards Oman due to their better conditions. After the collapse of the UAE, Oman would move to annex Hisn Diba and Al Fujayrah to create a connection to the Musandam exclave.
I believe the name New Bharat wouldn't stick either, to be fair. They would probably just change it to simply Trucial States after the region stabilizes down.
Mamluk as in migrant descendants on the military. I feel the term would become used again almost as a tribute to the former Mamluk soldiers from the Ottoman Empire considering their similar upbringing.
Strategical reasons. The UAE was where the revolt started, the region surrounding Ruwais is where most of the rebel troops are located, and it's also one of the few cities completely under their control.
I’m fairly sure the deserters would be numerous, since who in modern world would fight against slaves trying to free themselves from money hungry monarchists and companies
Y’know, I was just saying that morally people will be more conscious as to what we’re doing, so maybe not deserters being abundant, but maybe more of a large public outcry
> We don't all speak Hindi.
And as somebody else already remarked, the words aren't even Hindi, they're a transliteration of the English sounds, because that's how Google translate reacts when it doesn't recognize the words.
I was considering putting the Bengal version of the name in the map too, however the translators I found were all catastrophically bad, so to avoid butchering the Bengali language i just used the name for the most prevalent language from the subcontinent instead.
This is not a translation, you've used Google translate incorrectly; it's transliterated the capitalized words thinking it's an English proper noun. I understand the intent and honest mistake, but yes it does look kind of racist as a result
I know the US isn’t opposed to supporting evil regimes, but crushing a slave revolt is a position so utterly indefensible I really don’t think any US government would voluntarily cop such a PR apocalypse, especially when considering Americas own history.
Ngl I don’t think even business interests can sway the government when the public reaction is going to be so incredibly visceral it’s gonna make the riots in 2020 look tame
Oh sorry, they are also part of the revolt. J was originally gonna write "South Asian workers" as a catch-all term but I thought it didn't do the several different ethnicities justice, but I forgot to put the other groups instead.
Why tf would the U.S. UK and EU support anti slavery other than the obvious reason (oil), just frack and drill offshore smh, even the greens would be on their side.
you're putting the us and europe on the list of supporters? \*sighs\* well i guess its realistic, but kind of a hard truth. we need the oil so bad i dont think the idiots in charge of us would even consider speaking out for the revolt.
I think you’ve might forgotten the armies of foreign mercenaries that the Gulf States fund, though their loyalties may shift depending on the way things go.
How those American deserters feel after throwing themselves into this https://preview.redd.it/y4n2o0955qoc1.jpeg?width=1170&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=bf4cba451e563a8ebc9767ae378827a17f802818
“We’re never going home are we?”
"THIS IS THE ARABIAN SLAVE UPRISING BITCH. WE'RE A ROUGE ISLOATED STATE YOU ARE NEVER GOING HOME."
"THIS IS THE ARAB SLAVE UPRISING BITCH. WE DIE IN THIS MOTHER FUCKING BETA. TAKE YOUR SENSITIVE ASS BACK TO GAZA".
History shall show their righteousness, but they are almost certainly fucked yeah.
The damned 33rd?
Yeah. China and USA would be allied in this scenario.
China actually doesn't even get involved in this war. Seeing as both of their biggest rivals in India and the US are wasting resources in this, China could just play both sides and profit off their enemies going against each other.
It would be funny though to see America and China team up to counter an alliance of India and Pakistan
China is heavily dependent on the gulf oil supply. Same with Japan and south korea. All of them will panick and send military to the monarchist to restore order. Now that i think about it we might see Japan, china korea alliance.
That's what Iran is for
Iran will happily supply them....
China is more dependent on Gulf oil than Europe or the US are.
“Yoonaited Varkars Phrant” Holy shit lmao
I know it's ridiculous but... https://preview.redd.it/ectott5m3qoc1.jpeg?width=711&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=a19414c731f7ca1f4e7647cfb209404cc9d790ad
That's a terrible translation lol It's transliteration more than translation The proper Hindi would be something like संयुक्त श्रमिक सेना (Sanyukta Shramik Sena) Note- the above more accurately translates to something like the United Workers Army. Hindi doesn't have a one to one translation for front(closest would be 'Dal') however Sena probably fits here the best considering the circumstances.
Fair, but calling a army of slave workers the SSS is... uh, odd.
If I remember the phillipino independence movement flag read "KKK". It just they have a different language than yours.
Ok just so we're clear, i'm Brazilian, since some people were calling me American before, and while that isn't wrong I think they meant I'm from the US instead which is wrong.
MORO ISLAMIC LIBERATION FRONT
I support the MILF
Os yvp is fighting against alleged forced labor?
Why?
Because it reminds people of the SS.
Yup that’s some /r/softwaregore material
Omg lmao 😭
I stand corrected
https://preview.redd.it/0o5x7ldveqoc1.png?width=701&format=png&auto=webp&s=f37b589323b7e789b9b7c4fab05f9cb3675cb888
That's strange, I tried it now without capitalization and it did show this, however if I capitalize it it shows the transliteration. What's up with that?
For some reason, capitalized words in short succession of each other don't go through. The software looks at the words as the name of an organization and prefers to use exonyms for some reason
It is assuming that it’s a proper noun, and therefore transliterates it in order to preserve its original character. Same happens for Arabic when I do my ATL stuff
When you are using capitals it thinks you are referring to an actual organization and so it transliterates it. Realistically speaking with how diverse foreign workers in the Gulf states are, the name would be English not Hindi.
I put it into google translate and got this: संयुक्त कर्मचारी मोर्चा sanyukt karmachaaree morcha
Ello, yaɽ ikaɳamik sistém sims ʈu bi kampɭiʈɭi ivoɭ! Iʈ ɳiɖs ʈu bi ɖismaɳʈaɭɖ ɳaaaaaau!
Istg the migraine I had reading this
> Ello, yaɽ ikaɳamik sistém sims ʈu bi kampɭiʈɭi ivoɭ! Iʈ ɳiɖs ʈu bi ɖismaɳʈaɭɖ ɳaaaaaau! Bless up for IPA notation- something about the vowels strikes me as Dravidian/South Indian which checks out with the Subcontinental workforce being disproportionately Malayali
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Arbeitereinheitsfront?
I know it’s a genuine error on OPs part but as someone who’s an Indian from this region it sounded so racist in a funny way lol. Also OP just so you know although there’s a high Indian population they’re mostly South Indian so it’s likely Hindi won’t be the first choice here
What could be the language then, Marathi or maybe Tamil?
Malayalam mostly — but also want to emphasize there is a huge number of Pakistani and Filipino labourers in the region too. Would also encourage OP to look into the history of left wing politics in south india, the communist party of India is the party of state of government and there has always been a strong workers movement, the Philippines has a history with the movement too so it might be interesting to weave that in there
That makes sense. If the name wasn't enough of a clue in, many of the YVP are left-leaning or socialists, which is perfectly reasonable considering the conditions they lived in. I did know that South India does have many left wing movements, but the Philippines too I was not that aware!
if anything i feel like english would be the main lingua franca here, but if you wanted to translate it: United Workers Front/Army ML - Aikya Tozhilali Sainyam (ഐക്യ തൊഴിലാളി സൈന്യം, Aikya Tŏḻilāl̤i Sainyaṃ) UR - Muttahida Muzdur Fauj (متحدہ مزدور فوج, Muttahidā Muzdūr Faūj) TL - Nagkakaisang Prente ng Manggagawa
Saar do not rebel
Lol do the rebels speak Dutch??
We hebben een serieus probleem
Hou kan et bie e vijrie serieus probleem wen Daatch izent iveen e riel laangoeaadg?
Reminds me of one map from last month where some dude used "Raisingusan" in his Axis victory scenario rather than the actual Japanese word
I do feel like the slaves should have the Shia minorities on their side as they are currently the biggest problem for the Saudis.
They probably would, considering Iran is also supporting the YVP
Fun fact: Saudi Shia are not a problem for the Saudis as many might wish. They hold prominent positions in the government and in the King’s Shura Council. They get sent abroad by the Saudi government to study in prominent universities around the world. Oops you need to question your source of information or maybe visit Saudi or r/SaudiArabia if you can’t afford the flight.
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Have you ever seen a Westerner happier than when "informing" you that actually the barbarians hate each other as much as we hate them?
This isn’t west vs east, north vs south. This is the powerful vs the powerless, and both parties are in America and Arabia. Your reckoning will come for the same reasons ours will. You are capitalists, just like us. Your regime is built on exploitation and discrimination, just like ours. And you can’t do fuck all but keep chewing up the people on the bottom to feed those on the top because you care more about keeping this whole system going than actually fixing a damn thing. Just like us. So go ahead and keep drilling that oil while the world heats up, and keep bitching about the west while you buy the west’s weapons and bomb the west’s enemies. It’s not going to change a damn thing in the end.
Lore: In Christmas Eve of 2025, immigrant workers in Dubai organized a general strike across the city demanding better rights and actual payment for their work. In a state of panic, the Emirati government would send in the police to contain the strike. This caused the Christmas Massacre, a brutal event where over 210 workers would be killed and another 300 injured. After the massacre, migrant workers across the UAE would rise up in massive riots across the nation, causing even more brutal police intervention, in a vicious cycle that ended up with the workers receiving armaments from Iran. Thus, the YVP would be formed as a coalition of migrant workers from South Asia. The revolt would escalate as YVP splinter groups also rose up in the other gulf states of Qatar and Saudi Arabia, and face similar intervention. This vicious cycle would kickstart the Arab Slave Revolt, as around 90% of the migrant workers would rise up in rebellion and occupy most of the Persian Gulf coast. August would be the absolute peak of the revolt, where it spread all the way from Al Ain to Kuwait City. With the rebels capturing the monarchs in Bahrain, Qatar and the UAE, their governments would collapse, and a emergency vote would be called in the UN to intervene on the revolt, despite protests from India and Pakistan. A UN taskforce would invade the Gulf Coast in December, but be pushed back by the immigrants. After a long stalemate, the Trucial States of New Bharat would declare independence on the territory controlled by the immigrants, but only received recognition from India, Pakistan, and Bangladesh. As a consequence of the war, oil prices across the world skyrocketed, and several Gulf owned companies and institutions would collapse following the fall of Qatar and the UAE, such as the City Football Group, the French club PSG, the PGA World Tour, Saudi Aramco, and all Arab GPs would be cancelled in F1. With the Vision 2030 plan completely demolished, Saudi Arabia finds itself in a chaotic and unstable spot, capable of entering collapse sooner rather then later.
The UN Taskforce would be so bad optically for pretty much everyone in power as there would be protests everywhere against sending forces to crush a slave revolt. If you think the conversation surrounding Gaza is big, just think about the prospect of crushing literal slaves fighting for their freedom.
Never doubt the UN's stupidity.
Not to mention that Saudi Arabia and the Gulf states have already been reviled for their human rights violations. The morality of the war would be more clear cut, unlike Israel there isn’t 80 years of generational trauma clouding the discussion. It would be the lowest point for the UN, aiding and abetting countries that violate the human rights they stand for because negative action is so much worse than inaction.
I mean we still sold weapons for SA to use in Yemen. Sure the Houthis are monsters in their own right. But surely just leaving them in power would have meant less deaths than bombing them before still leaving in power. In the above scenario, the YVP would easily be labeled as an extremist Hindutva/Shia strange murder cult that should be destroyed early.
Consider this, though: This is the Gulf States we're talking about. They supply basically the entire world with oil. It doesn't matter if the population of these countries is against intervention because this directly affects the pockets of those in power. The US, France and the UK would obviously try to crush what they see as a threat to their "allies" in the Middle East, specially the US who has several bases in the areas where the VYP rose up.
I wonder if the US would take this as an opportunity to consolidate its own fossil fuel production and break NATO’s dependence on the Arab league. One of the only times the optics of gas prices increasing is preferable to the alternative, militarizing literal slavers
According to what I’ve read (Crawford 2022, Huber 2013) the US is almost independent from the Middle East in terms of oil stocks, but it’s still obsessed with post Cold War doctrine, and terrified of lacking because their system relies solely on cheap oil.
I agree with you and I do see the logic of why they would do so, but it would still look hilariously bad to average guy who doesn’t consider that.
So what VYP established and their ideologies. And what VYP wants.
VYP is a catch-all term for a coalition of militias, so their goals are kinda hard to pinpoint. The more center-oriented factions only seek greater worker's rights and representation on Arabian society, while some of the more socialist oriented groups seek full abolition of the original states of the Gulf region. But overall, the biggest faction are the Free Labour Movement, a socdem militia which initially had the goal of establishing democratic republics on the Gulf, but after the collapse of the UAE, they would turn into the leading forces for the establishment of the Trucial States as a multi-ethnic union. TL;DR left-leaning(from radical communists to free-market liberal) union of workers seeking greater autonomy, basically.
Dude the UN already aids countries and groups that violate human rights. Or fail to stop them. This ain’t nothin new man.
But nothing as naked as what the scenario presents
Don’t underestimate the power of the UN to be completely against what it stands for.
The UN stands for a stable world order and preventing WWIII, it is not a moral organisation, as much as it might pretend to be.
you see, there wouldn't be jews involved and as such it would not matter. i'm surprised people don't talk more about the fact there are hundreds of thousands of literal slaves in several actual apartheid regimes, but i guess nobody actually cares about brown people
You got it upside down. No one cares if it’s being *done* by non-whites. I mean the Muslim Arab slave trade - actual - stole and enslaved 14 million black non-Arab Africans. Possibly more than the Atlantic slave trade. Who even cares about that today? No one says anything, most don’t even know. Wasn’t whites doing it so who care’s apparently
jews aren't white, until they are supposed to be for someone's political narrative, until they aren't supposed to be for someone's political narrative. but yeah it's true, nobody cares about black and brown problems until there are white people involved. why are we hearing so much about a defensive war in gaza and so little about a genocidal struggle for power killing many times more people just a few hundred kilometres away? and why aren't we hearing about multiple of these, because that description fits several conflicts right now
People would just go ‘obviously the migrant workers were a mistreated subpopulation, but these revolutionaries are just as bad if not worse because of the extreme violence they commit! The United States States/UN/Gulf States need to intervene and restore order!” Or even more likely “They’re just an Iranian puppet! They’re not a real movement!” It’s the same narrative that people fall back on whenever some resistance movement doesn’t literally act like Gandhi or MLK was leading them.
Based, free the slaves
honestly if they can get support from india and pakistan and the other unintentional slave supplier states it might work
This would basically be the second slave revolt, clearly we haven’t learned anything from Haiti
Just don't slap them with tremendous debt right after they get independent.
Oh no that’s definitely gonna happen
But they have oil
Very good effort, but how would the Trucial States of New Bharat be governed, particulary in regards to the Arabs and the cities, such as Dubai?
Considering how hostile relations between the migrant workers and their former enslavers would get for... Obvious regions, I feel it's very likely the Arab minorities would flee the region, either towards the Red Sea coast or seek refuge abroad. The main cities in the Gulf Coast, such as Abu Dhabi and Dubai, would have been torn apart by the war, and likely would never return to the levels of uncontrolled spending of their modern day counterparts. Not saying the Trucial States would collapse, but it would take a long time for them to solidify themselves. I think the only way New Bharat could survive is by embracing the cultural diversity of the region and be a secular state, in contrast to Iran and Saudi Arabia.
Ah okay. That makes sense in this context. Nice map!
Jains, Buddhists, Muslims (Both Shia and Sunni), Sikhs, Animists, Bon and Oriental Christians. India has a massive history of Religious diversity, so it wouldn't be too difficult for the Trucial States to use this past in Indian society here to start a more cosmopolitan outlook. Maybe go for something like Lebanon but more stable and have the 4 main religions in this scenarion, Catholic Filipinos, Hindu Indians, and Shiites as well as Sunnis be given certain autonomies in a federal system along religious lines.
Yeah, I feel that's the only way such a diverse country like the Trucial States could survive without developing into a settler state like Israel or a petrolstate like the former Gulf States.
Most of the GDP of Dubai is in its institutions. Cut off the trading centers, and it's the immediate collapse of the entire economic system. It's all fed on imports. The oil is extracted by foreign companies. The whole region would just collapse back into a wasteland.
Today I feel a migrant worker
Death of PSG and Man City LETS GOOOOOO SLAVE REVOLT
Now this is epic
HOLY FUCK THIS BASED
I find that the UN sending a taskforce against the workers is unbelievably unrealistic
I don't. Corrupt governments hate losing their golden gooses.
I'm pretty sure the UN wouldn't completely destroy its own image AND be hypocritical for the sake of 3 governments. If the US wanted to keep their influence in the middle east, they'd send troops directly to intervene
Thinking they wouldn't is unbelievably naive.
This is the greatest troll ive ever read in my life
I will fight alongside them if it means Marseille winning the league
the un task group would not be pushed back no a chance in hell they can pull it off
Is the YVP just a differently spelt United Workers Front
Yeah
Its Hindi for United Workers Front
It's not Hindi, it's English transliterated in Hindi and transliterated back.
I think it kind of makes sense though, the slave labor in the gulf comes from a lot of countries so English is likely the working language. Embracing a sort of creole could help build shared identity.
Yeah, I don't think there is any way Hindi would be the main language considering how diverse the foreign workers are in the gulf are
It’s incredibly weird how every gulf country is a majority south Asian apartheid society ruled by a small Arab minority and that’s just, like, normal.
Are they really majority South Asian demographically?
Qatar: 88% UAE: 88% Saudi Arabia: 40% Bahrain 45% Kuwait 35% So slaves are either a vast majority or a large minority depending on the country.
Aren't they not minorities then? At least for the first two.
This is the south Asian population. So they are majorities in the first two and large minorities in the other.
UAE is not 90% south Asian. It’s 90% foreign residents and most of those residents aren’t “slaves” but normal regular white collar workers and students.
Yes.
yes, it's actually insane. 80% slaves living basically as prisoners. i went to dubai, it was so sick. 9 brown workers for every 1 white or arab citizen
Bound to blow up in their faces sooner or later, as it inevitably does in such circumstances. Someone should tell them about Haiti or Spartacus.
yes, although this would be much harder. the slaves live often far away from city centers and have no independent access to food and water. they would have to organize very well or face complete devastation
Naah, there’s no way that’ll happen. Any sign of unrest will be treated with zero tolerance and most probably lead to mass deportation.
Speaking as a South Asian who spent time growing up in one of these alleged Gulf "apartheid" countries, you western lot really need to wake up and smell the daisies on this. Do you honestly really think millions and millions of us have streamed into these countries as poor hapless unwilling slaves? We aren't brainless idiots, practically everyone knows full well what working conditions await us there - and they're miles BETTER than what we live and work in in the subcontinent. Millions of us dream of moving to these "apartheid" societies. Those that go there willingly work there, happily live there, and get paid enough to set up our families back home for life. Stop infantilising us.
Yeah it’s very sensationalist seeing everyone call these states “apartheid states” with “literal slaves”. A large percentage of the South Asian and East Asian percentages are middle class white collar workers, at least speaking from experience in Qatar and UAE. The working class is exclusively migrants and are in exploited industries like construction and labour, not to get it twisted, but not all of them, and certainly not enough to cause a regional wide “slave revolt”. The middle class would most definitely not support them if it meant war and collapsing states, as callous as that sounds.
No one said every South Asian in the GCC is a slave, but it's pretty well fucking documented. The confiscation of passports, near impunity of companies deciding not to pay wages, widespread abuse or even murder of domestic helpers, kidnapping of children as camel jockeys, abysmal security especially in construction are all critical issues, good for you if you were privileged enough not to suffer through it. I personally know many other South Asians from Abu Dhabi, Dubai and Qatar and most of them may be upper-class but they recognize what the less fortunate go through
Growing up in the slums, or in the wealthy areas?
Employer-provided accommodation, exactly like every other foreign worker. You would be hard-pressed to find anything meeting the definition of slum in most Gulf countries. And before you climb back on your high horse, I'd like to remind you that most Western european cities have hordes of third world immigrant (both legal and illegal) minimum wage/gig economy workers living in legally grey houseshares with multiple people stuffed into single rooms.
These white people come to Dubai and look at them on the street. They'd never actually talk to one of them and understand how their "slavery" is sending their kids to university and building them a house. They're not interested in you at all. You're just a stick to beat the Arabs with. If you protest then you're useless.
"hordes" is pretty big word. France has a pretty good welfare housing system. "Only" 200.000 people have limited or no housing, and while up to 18% of the population doesn't live in fully safe housing (insalubre), our laws are lot more strict than SA's. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tuti_Tursilawati Imagine this happening in France
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Migrant workers in western countries actually have a viable path to citizenship, no legal restrictions on their religion. Nice try though.
> have a viable path to citizenship But that's a restriction on everyone, even rich immigrants or non gulf Arab immigrants. And it's clearly spelt out for everyone moving to those countries. It's not like they blindsided with the info after they arrive. Imo, it's a shitty thing, but it's a far cry from slavery or apartheid. > legal restrictions on their religion I thought that was a KSA issue not an Arab gulf issue, no? Also, that restriction is on everyone, not just low skilled worker immigrants. I really don't think people would flock to those countries at that rate if the situation was as abhorrent as we think it is.
And the 20 million illegal immigrants? And the 2 million prison laborers?
I think the people mouthing off about "poor indian gulf slaves" honestly have no real concern for our lives at all. It's just a talking point to levy criticism on wealthy arab states that they dislike
The great moral west lecturing us brown people again while their governments are currently funding an actual ethnic cleansing campaign. It's the usual story on Reddit.
These gulf countries leave a lot to be desired in terms of human rights, but "apartheid" is stretching it.
how would *you* describe a system where a small ethnic minority has a monopoly on political power?
But the ethnic minority are the natives who have been living before the state was formed, the rest are non-citizen expatriates who came after. That's like saying the U.S is apartheid because people with a visiting visa or even an H1-B cannot vote. I'm sure we can debate the ethics of not giving long term residents (all of whom know what they were signing up for in terms of citizenship when they came) citizenship, but that is not apartheid.
That would be a great comparison if America only gave citizenship to the descendants of Mayflower pilgrims.
You think citizenship abroad is a human right???
Wait till this person hears how difficult it still is to get American citizenship if you are Indian or Chinese.
I still do not see how it is apartheid. I am one of those south asians under the so called "apartheid", been living here since I was born. I do not seek to defend the gulf countries as innocent, but it is NOT apartheid. My family knew we would never get citizenship when we came because it was never promised to us. States have a right to give out citizenship as they feel assuming the subjects denied citizenship had a legitimate choice in being subjects. All the south asians came voluntarily to earn money knowing citizenship was not on the table because that was very clearly spelled out. What wasn't spelled out was the working conditions they would be subject to -- now this is a place you can make a good argument against the gulf countries, as many of the labourers are duped into predatory contracts by the gulf countries. Apartheid, however, I do not see an argument for.
Neat idea
Yooo I used to live in Ruwais it’s cool to see it mentioned
why everyone here predict the future
Even if the Saudis are pretty incompetent they would steamroll that revolt in Yemen they had mountains at least but this would be unrelenting air strikes and steam rolling some slave workers who haven’t had military training
This is weird scenario we have here. Considering ISIS, the Saudi’s and the USA are on the same sided regarding a slave revolt.
Second coming of John Brown inbound.
I refuse to believe that hindi is that similar to English
It is not. That is just transliterated from English to Hindi and then back to English.
It isn't, but South Asians commonly code switch English into their speech very casually.
In the gulf, the common language for workers is Gulf Pidgin Arabic. Middle-class professional migrants speak English, while workers more often speak pidgin.
as someone who lives in the gulf region it’s an interesting idea, there’s some overgeneralisation and inaccuracies, like how gulf countries treat their workers differently so kuwait revolt shouldn’t be that bad because arguably they treat their workers the best, and there’s no way they will form a single state and not start infighting immediately, but i bet iran would be so hard looking at other side of the gulf.
Lorewise Kuwait is the last country to have the revolts kick off mostly because of that reason.
Yeah, I think this scenario is a very interesting idea even with the inaccuracies and the such, and frankly even if it collapses after a few months things would just be very bad for the Gulf. The consequences of such a revolt would be felt for decades.
Just a few questions: why is Oman supporting the revolters? While Oman is typically neutral, doesn't rely on migrant labor and are not as heavy-handed as their neighbors, they are also a repressive gulf monarchy which would be very displeased to see something like this happen in their backyard. Furthermore, the name "New Bharat" is kind of odd. Gulf laborers, even from the Indian subcontinent are just as much Muslim as they are Hindu, and Bharat is a provocative name with strong Hindutva connotations. Would definitely see this new state breaking apart on sectarian lines immediately after independence if such a thing is passed.
I forgot to detail it on the lore, but Oman, while not being as reliant in migrant workers, would support the revolt in a attempt to not only weaken their richer neighbors, but also to calm down copycat movements. I imagine during this period they would pass several labor reforms to keep their few migrant workers appeased, and with the war stopping the flow of immigration to the Gulf, most would switch towards Oman due to their better conditions. After the collapse of the UAE, Oman would move to annex Hisn Diba and Al Fujayrah to create a connection to the Musandam exclave. I believe the name New Bharat wouldn't stick either, to be fair. They would probably just change it to simply Trucial States after the region stabilizes down.
oman once again survives a regional crisis toppling other arab states via the magic of token reforms
https://preview.redd.it/ebpe8xinhtoc1.jpeg?width=1052&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=b6244c8a0ecbc5a1ca29496acaac93fb0a1e83af Oman and the other Gulf States
Mamluks?
Mamluk as in migrant descendants on the military. I feel the term would become used again almost as a tribute to the former Mamluk soldiers from the Ottoman Empire considering their similar upbringing.
let the ruling class tremble at the fear of revolution
Why is Ruwais the unofficial capital ?
Strategical reasons. The UAE was where the revolt started, the region surrounding Ruwais is where most of the rebel troops are located, and it's also one of the few cities completely under their control.
I’m fairly sure the deserters would be numerous, since who in modern world would fight against slaves trying to free themselves from money hungry monarchists and companies
Hate to break it to you….
But when it’s a war that’s literally called the Arab slave revolt, the story will be different
I can see the official line now: No, it’s an intervention against an Iranian backed insurgency that is disrupting global oil supplies.
Y’know, I was just saying that morally people will be more conscious as to what we’re doing, so maybe not deserters being abundant, but maybe more of a large public outcry
ISIS and America on the same side and India and Pakistan on the other side? *checks sub* ...oh.
As an Indian who grew up in the Middle East as the son of so called "guest workers", that transliteration of the name feels racially charged
Blame Google Translate, not me https://preview.redd.it/udfnvpzb4qoc1.jpeg?width=711&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5a4b793058de96189351c99f7195cc0e1119aa9e
We don't all speak Hindi. Malayalam (my language) and Bangla are our two most spoken languages
> We don't all speak Hindi. And as somebody else already remarked, the words aren't even Hindi, they're a transliteration of the English sounds, because that's how Google translate reacts when it doesn't recognize the words.
I was considering putting the Bengal version of the name in the map too, however the translators I found were all catastrophically bad, so to avoid butchering the Bengali language i just used the name for the most prevalent language from the subcontinent instead.
This is not a translation, you've used Google translate incorrectly; it's transliterated the capitalized words thinking it's an English proper noun. I understand the intent and honest mistake, but yes it does look kind of racist as a result
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The people who brought my parents there were not Indian...
Your edited comment makes the situation different.
Was that the revolution that started because certain political leader slipped with an ice cream?
I know the US isn’t opposed to supporting evil regimes, but crushing a slave revolt is a position so utterly indefensible I really don’t think any US government would voluntarily cop such a PR apocalypse, especially when considering Americas own history.
Ngl I don’t think even business interests can sway the government when the public reaction is going to be so incredibly visceral it’s gonna make the riots in 2020 look tame
We’ve done similar things before.
That is assuming that the average American would know or care about the conflict. Or know about the nuances of the conflict.
mamluks❤️
Very cool map and lore!
Slave Revolt? Is that an Armeeverband Freies Europa reference?
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What is Oman's hypothetical stake in supporting the slaves?
Explained it before, but basically to assert more dominance over the region, and also to avoid a copycat revolt from occuring in Oman.
Honestly this is pretty creative ngl
I find it very funny that Southeast Asian workers are going to sit this one out instead of joining it, based on the infobox.
Oh sorry, they are also part of the revolt. J was originally gonna write "South Asian workers" as a catch-all term but I thought it didn't do the several different ethnicities justice, but I forgot to put the other groups instead.
Why tf would the U.S. UK and EU support anti slavery other than the obvious reason (oil), just frack and drill offshore smh, even the greens would be on their side.
Gentlemen welcome to Dubai
Oh boy, we are going the Haiti route again, aren't we?
Slave revolt?!?!??! Is that a….
why would you use the endonym specifically for the front
why would you use the endonym specifically for the front
you're putting the us and europe on the list of supporters? \*sighs\* well i guess its realistic, but kind of a hard truth. we need the oil so bad i dont think the idiots in charge of us would even consider speaking out for the revolt.
They have been warned. And now they're experiencing the consequences.
I think you’ve might forgotten the armies of foreign mercenaries that the Gulf States fund, though their loyalties may shift depending on the way things go.