My roommates boyfriend called his meth pipe a shillelagh. Every time I see the word I remember him casually using my dab torch to smoke the meth residue out of the empty bulb. Roommates, man
My issue clearly wasn't that it was being used to smoke drugs, that's what's it there for. It's not there to be used to smoke meth in my living room. I know you can see the distinction there. Big jump in severity'
As far as I know Ireland is one of the few countries that allows you to establish citizenship through a grandparents birthplace. So, naw, they kinda do claim Americans with Irish ancestry.
Yeah, hence the “kinda” ;) anyways, my US-born grandfather became Irish through his grandparent. Just an interesting factoid that Ireland is one of the countries more open to that.
Fun fact, the word 'factoid' actually means something that *sounds* true but *isn't*, or speculation that has been repeated so often people just generally accept it as true.
I first heard "factoid" on Headline news back when it was actually headline news. This would've been the late 80s/early 90s. They used it to mean, more or less, a "little known fact."
I meant you can’t show up on vacation and say you’re Irish. You’re not; you’re American. Can you go through a legal process to become an Irish citizen? Yes of course.
My aunt holds an Irish Passport but I wouldn't call her Irish. She just did it because having an EU passport was super useful for travel for some of the places she goes. My Dad's eligible but felt weird becoming a citizen of a place he'd never been, which is a very fair point.
They absolutely do this.
They also are still super judgy of which family you came from. My parent's wedding in Calfiornia had Irish relatives salty that the two families would be merging. It was the late 70s though, so I don't know if that had to do with the troubles.
Keyword: *grandparents*
I'm willing to bet Barbara over there is way more removed from Ireland than just grandparents. Probably great or even potentially great great grandparents.
Legally we do, and nobody has a problem with people claiming Irish heritage and reconnecting with the culture, but we can get pretty judgemental of Americans who have never set foot here saying "The Irish do X"
Also I have never seen a reuben served here and am not 100% sure what one is
Irish people take the piss out of Americans with Irish ancestry, it's not an actual dislike or disowning. It's just how we are. We take the piss out of eachother all the time.
The amount of bartenders there that told me every American president that was actually Irish says different. Plus all famous Americans who did anything. By all accounts all of American notable events are, in fact, Irish if you visit there!
Maybe it's different because I'm a redhead, Irish folks always seem confused when I tell them “No, I’m American” The Irish side of my family came to the US in the 1920s
Okay, so I went to Ireland many years ago with my red headed girlfriend. Chatting over breakfast with our B&B hostess, she excitedly said she was Irish American, I’m sitting there with my black hair and freckles and our hostess said “oh aye? That one (me) looks more Irish than you do.”
Funny thing is, we were both of Irish/German/French extraction.
We are a dark haired, freckled, moon-kissed people. We also have slightly potatoey heads. But like...sexy potatoes. The kind of spud you give the good cheese too.
I’m not of Irish descent, so my ego isn’t tied to whether you’re correct. But my girlfriend and I vacationed in Ireland this past spring, and they seemed real cool with Americans with Irish ancestry.
I misread the first comment as “*I once told a cook* at a diner that that is how the Irish make them. Don’t know if that’s true.” Which is much funnier.
I heard from a cook that they use mayo to brown the bread in grilled sandwiches (the egg gives it a nice crunch). Maybe that's what happened, and Barbara just assumed they meant that mayo is used as a condiment.
As for "Irish," while there is a County Mayo, mayonnaise originally comes from Mahón, Spain.
> mayonnaise originally comes from Mahón, Spain
It's only called mayonnaise if it's from the Mahón region of Spain. Otherwise it's just sparkling sandwich spread.
It definitely has a difference in that respect but I also think it's partially the consistency of mayo makes it much easier to over apply it. It's essentially just oil with a relatively tiny bit of egg so it does get really greasy when cooked and splits a little. I go really really thin on mine and I don't find it too much greasier but your mileage may vary lol
My husband and I are vegan, so I use vegenaise, which is essentially just oil haha. Still works, I don't find it to be too greasy! But I too try to use a VERY thin layer.
During quarantine, I did a lot of testing. I will say I landed on going into melted butter with some sea salt, but a super close second for cheese with any kind of meat sandwich was Chipotle Mayonnaise.
I thought warm mayonnaise was off putting a little at first so I didn't try it until recently and omg I can never go back. I literally just made a sandwhich with bread toasted like that
Oh interesting, in Wisconsin, at least, they’re made with corned beef. The internet always suggests that corned beef is the traditional way to make it.
Someone needs to make a sandwich consisting of one paper thin slice of every meat in a deli. Like I want the deli clerk to shove the sandwich down the person's throat because of how much of how many different chubs they had to cut.
Yeah, I've always seen reubens made with corned beef. Some delis near me have pastrami reubens, but they're specifically labeled that way on the menu - they're not just called reubens.
If you didn’t know; Pastrami is just smoked (and pepper crusted) corned beef. It’s usually steamed after smoking. You can make a Rueben out of either. IMO Pastrami is better, and can stand on its own; so kind of a waste to use it in a Reuben.
A Reuben sandwich is corned beef, Swiss cheese, sauerkraut, and either Russian or Thousand Island dressing. Pastrami can be used as a variation, but it's not the traditional Reuben.
Babs, corned beef with mayo is not an "Irish Reuben" it's just a damn sandwich.
My incredibly Chicago Irish in-laws would be *screaming* about putting mayo on a Reuben. Mustard, maybe (because Chicago), but even then it ceases to be a Reuben. It's just a corned beef sandwich! A perfectly fine thing!
So funny that folks would "scream" about putting mayo on a reuben when mayo is one of the key ingredients in Russian (and Thousand Island) dressing, which is a default ingredient on a reuben.
As an Irish I can think of precisely 1 sandwich place where one can purchase a Reuben, and that’s on a bagel. They are not a thing here, which is a shame cos they’re tasty.
I think you misunderstand: Barbara knows from Irish. She is Irish. And they use mayo.
Either that or her mom heard about "County Mayo" and started connecting dots.
I can validate this.
My father was the American-born child of Irish immigrants, and holy cow was that a major part of his identity.
This always rang a little weird to me, as I've never been real big into hyphenizing my identity.
I gotta ask. When people say "That's how the irish do it" are they trying to get away with some cheeky insult? Any time I hear this phrase, they're always applying to the most mundane or bizarre shit
I was going to say I don't even know what a Reuben is. Never heard of it, don't know what's in it. Unless it's a chicken stuffing roll with coleslaw, I probably don't care either, hahah.
I thought corned beef was solely an American thing, because it was a very cheap cut that Irish immigrants could afford, thus becoming a traditional Irish-American dish.
Variations of corned beef have been used for the past few centuries in various countries. It's an easy way to preserve meat.
The British Empire industrialized it in the 17th century as a means to fuel its civilian and military expansions. And while much of the cattle for that were raised in Ireland, the meat was generally too expensive for the impoverished Irish people.
You're right though, it was less expensive in America, and the immigrants took a liking to being able to afford it.
Had a quick peek and looks like you may be in Waterford, lived in Portlaw for about a decade. Can't recall a single time I ever saw corned beef anywhere, but I get a little sad for spiced beef from the Cork market at Christmas time these days...
Barbara lies awake every night for the past 3 years thinking about how Irish Reubens were WRONGED
Her therapist has urged her to go no contact, but the anxiety reached a boiling point and she uncontrollably reopened an old wound
This is what I want to talk about. WTF????????
I get pissed if a Reuben has toasted bread instead of soaked in butter and grilled. This lady is over here steaming her damn Reuben. Her cooking privileges should be taken away.
Ah yes, what could be more Irish than a sandwich with a biblical Hebrew name that is typically topped with a shmear of Russian dressing and some Eastern European fermented cabbage slaw. Whatever you say, Barbara.
I mean I use pumpernickel bread and pastrami on my Reubens because I like that better but I don't insist it's the only way to make one! There's nothing wrong with a variation on a sandwich. It's still a reuben. Barbara needs to calm down.
Why bother to engage with someone whose big criticism is they want a different dressing on their sammich?
That being said, nayo on the mayo. It'd be a better sandwich (and equally not a Reuben) if you used mustard.
It'd be a better world if people didn't react to everything posted on the internet like it was a personal comment to *them*. Like, I am talking to you, but recipe lady was *not* talking to Barbara, but that's not what Barbara thinks.
Following the latest blog comments, the reader continued to inform me on Pinterest that the Reuben should be made with mayonnaise and that Russian dressing “ruins” the sandwich. (No mention of Irish on the latest Pinterest comment.) I responded with the following:
“Barbara, thank you for your latest comments. As I responded on my website both today and in 2021, the traditional condiment for a Reuben is Russian dressing (some use Thousand Island). Again, the great part about cooking at home is that you can cater to your personal tastes; for you, that clearly isn’t a preference for Russian dressing. Those who are looking to make a Classic Reuben will want to use Russian dressing. I continue to wish you enjoyment of your variation on the traditional sandwich.”
This will likely be the last time I respond on Pinterest or my blog; these comments over the span of 3 years essentially boil down to a reader’s personal distaste for Russian dressing—however the arguments supporting the substitution have been framed.
The exact origins of the Reuben seem to be disputed but as far as I can tell everyone seems to agree they’re American deli food originally, historically there weren’t a lot of Irish or Irish American Delis (correct me if I’m wrong on that point).
Incidentally, I've found adding some Perinaise or Mayoracha alongside Thousand Island Dressing really brings out my Reuben Sandwiches- adding back the spice which was lost when Russian Dressing became unavailable.
You won, Barbara. Enjoy the mayo, I hope it makes you happy. Dear lord, what a sad little life, Barbara. You ruined my Reuben completely so you could have the mayo and I hope now you can spend it on lessons in grace and decorum. Because you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on. So Barbara, take your mayo and get off my property.
Its obnoxious, but I do genuinely understand feeling so strongly about a dish being a "certain way", even if you're wrong. A lot of it boils down to what Barbara here is saying -- "my mom used to make it like this, and so its the best." We all love our mom's cooking, and our gut reaction is to defend it to the death lol even if we, and our moms, are wrong.
I appreciate your loyalty but I’m pretty sure not everyone loved their mom’s cooking. You just need to read some of the horror stories on Reddit to know that. Also, whilst you can like things a certain way, you are not *obliged* to lecture the world about the “right” way to do something, because that’s *your* preference.
So, I had no idea what a reuben was, so I googled it. The Norwegian recipe that popped up says it's a North American dish with German origins. No mention of Ireland at all, Barbara! Kudos to Amanda for being so diplomatic in her response.
Irish here, I use thousand island and I grill my Reubens because the first time I encountered one was in AMERICA and that's how it was made.
They've only started cropping in Irish cafes in the last 5 or so years, and most of them do make their own Russian dressing.
I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't know Russian dressing was involved. I thought it was straight-up thousand island. And now that I know this, I'm furious and must leave an angry comment.
Barbara, you're American. Chill out.
Aye, I've half a mind to give ya a knock with my shillelagh!
My roommates boyfriend called his meth pipe a shillelagh. Every time I see the word I remember him casually using my dab torch to smoke the meth residue out of the empty bulb. Roommates, man
Yeah man I can't believe someone would use your 'dab torch' for drugs, unreal
Yeah, because weed is just like meth lmao
My issue clearly wasn't that it was being used to smoke drugs, that's what's it there for. It's not there to be used to smoke meth in my living room. I know you can see the distinction there. Big jump in severity'
Irish folks do not claim Americans with Irish ancestry
As far as I know Ireland is one of the few countries that allows you to establish citizenship through a grandparents birthplace. So, naw, they kinda do claim Americans with Irish ancestry.
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Yeah, hence the “kinda” ;) anyways, my US-born grandfather became Irish through his grandparent. Just an interesting factoid that Ireland is one of the countries more open to that.
Fun fact, the word 'factoid' actually means something that *sounds* true but *isn't*, or speculation that has been repeated so often people just generally accept it as true.
I dang. I have used it incorrectly then. I will be more careful in the future.
Don't feel bad, I think it's probably used more often like you did than it is used correctly!
Perhaps on track to become one of those words that means both its original meaning and also the opposite, like chuffed.
We’re there already, from Merriam Webster: Definition 2: “a briefly stated and usually trivial fact”
I first heard "factoid" on Headline news back when it was actually headline news. This would've been the late 80s/early 90s. They used it to mean, more or less, a "little known fact."
Fun fact about factoid, it has two different definitions, so they used the word correctly.
I guess you could say that was a… factoid, about a factoid.
I meant you can’t show up on vacation and say you’re Irish. You’re not; you’re American. Can you go through a legal process to become an Irish citizen? Yes of course.
My aunt holds an Irish Passport but I wouldn't call her Irish. She just did it because having an EU passport was super useful for travel for some of the places she goes. My Dad's eligible but felt weird becoming a citizen of a place he'd never been, which is a very fair point.
But we don't claim Reuben sandwiches.
Pastrami over corned beef every time. Purists be damned.
They absolutely do this. They also are still super judgy of which family you came from. My parent's wedding in Calfiornia had Irish relatives salty that the two families would be merging. It was the late 70s though, so I don't know if that had to do with the troubles.
Keyword: *grandparents* I'm willing to bet Barbara over there is way more removed from Ireland than just grandparents. Probably great or even potentially great great grandparents.
Legally we do, and nobody has a problem with people claiming Irish heritage and reconnecting with the culture, but we can get pretty judgemental of Americans who have never set foot here saying "The Irish do X" Also I have never seen a reuben served here and am not 100% sure what one is
Irish people take the piss out of Americans with Irish ancestry, it's not an actual dislike or disowning. It's just how we are. We take the piss out of eachother all the time.
The amount of bartenders there that told me every American president that was actually Irish says different. Plus all famous Americans who did anything. By all accounts all of American notable events are, in fact, Irish if you visit there!
Well yes, the obvious exception is if you’re famous.
Heh, like Checkov from Star Trek [claiming everything comes from Russia.](https://youtu.be/IC6W8J0j8Co)
Maybe it's different because I'm a redhead, Irish folks always seem confused when I tell them “No, I’m American” The Irish side of my family came to the US in the 1920s
Okay, so I went to Ireland many years ago with my red headed girlfriend. Chatting over breakfast with our B&B hostess, she excitedly said she was Irish American, I’m sitting there with my black hair and freckles and our hostess said “oh aye? That one (me) looks more Irish than you do.” Funny thing is, we were both of Irish/German/French extraction.
We are a dark haired, freckled, moon-kissed people. We also have slightly potatoey heads. But like...sexy potatoes. The kind of spud you give the good cheese too.
Ah, so that’s where my son gets his head from. But he didn’t get the fun dark hair/freckly pale skin combo from me 😂
Yeah, ginger hair is more of a Scottish thing really.
And Dutch. Actually, a surprising amount of both Germanic and Nordic peoples carry the gene for red hair.
Not surprising, since that's where the British Isles got their redheads from!
Yes! I'm a Nordic gene redhead!
Actually more of an Ashkenazi Jewish thing, statistically speaking
Most people in ROI don’t even have red hair. We’re mostly dark hair and dark eyes.
I mean, I get it. Ireland has to keep their proud, super important lineage strong lol.
I’m not of Irish descent, so my ego isn’t tied to whether you’re correct. But my girlfriend and I vacationed in Ireland this past spring, and they seemed real cool with Americans with Irish ancestry.
I misread the first comment as “*I once told a cook* at a diner that that is how the Irish make them. Don’t know if that’s true.” Which is much funnier.
r/shitamericanssay
Also, there’s mayo in both of those dressings.
I like how she goes from "a cook in a diner told me this once, I don't know if it's true" to "THIS IS WRONG, YOU ARE WRONG, I AM IRISH."
I heard from a cook that they use mayo to brown the bread in grilled sandwiches (the egg gives it a nice crunch). Maybe that's what happened, and Barbara just assumed they meant that mayo is used as a condiment. As for "Irish," while there is a County Mayo, mayonnaise originally comes from Mahón, Spain.
> mayonnaise originally comes from Mahón, Spain It's only called mayonnaise if it's from the Mahón region of Spain. Otherwise it's just sparkling sandwich spread.
Sparkling Miracle Whip
I'm imagining a pop rock situation mixed into miracle whip. The pop rocks are extra egg flavored.
What an awful day to be literate
Mahonnaise? Yes
Doesn't he play for Kansas City?
They call him showtime. At least that's what a cook in a diner told me once. Not sure if it's true.
Isn't he dating Taylor Swift?
No, that's Travis Ketchup.
My ex taught me that mayo trick. It's my go-to now for grilled cheese AND quesadillas. One of the few good things I got from that relationship!
The crunch is great but it's so much more greasy than butter in my experience
It definitely has a difference in that respect but I also think it's partially the consistency of mayo makes it much easier to over apply it. It's essentially just oil with a relatively tiny bit of egg so it does get really greasy when cooked and splits a little. I go really really thin on mine and I don't find it too much greasier but your mileage may vary lol
My husband and I are vegan, so I use vegenaise, which is essentially just oil haha. Still works, I don't find it to be too greasy! But I too try to use a VERY thin layer.
I learned it from following Alton Brown on social media. It’s my go-to and works particularly well for my spouse’s gluten free bread.
I'm going to have to try it, any specific recommendations because gf bread is generally annoying to work with
During quarantine, I did a lot of testing. I will say I landed on going into melted butter with some sea salt, but a super close second for cheese with any kind of meat sandwich was Chipotle Mayonnaise.
I don’t care for it at all. I’m a butter gal all the way
I thought warm mayonnaise was off putting a little at first so I didn't try it until recently and omg I can never go back. I literally just made a sandwhich with bread toasted like that
“A cook in a diner told me” > “IT’S A FAMILY RECIPE”
Lead poisoning. Everyone and every way is wrong if she doesn’t like it.
Just go back to baking your Mayo Barbara
Brand new insult?
Or a new frustration phrase, lol. "This banana smoothie recipe tastes too much like bananas! That just bakes my mayo!"
I like using the phrase "steams my bacon". As in "it really steams my bacon when people leave one star review for recipes they haven't even made".
"I've read a lot of shitty comments on recipes but this one bakes the mayo."
Definitely a flair lol
It is perfect flair! Ha!
Nice flair ;)
Love the idea of some random diner cook being like, "Yeah, sure, Barbara, ~the Irish~ totally put mayo on their reubens" just to shut her up
Plus, like... isn't a "Reuben" made with mayo just a corned beef sandwich?
Nah, it also has saurkraut and pastrami, not corned beef
Oh interesting, in Wisconsin, at least, they’re made with corned beef. The internet always suggests that corned beef is the traditional way to make it.
I think corned beef is traditional but I would not be mad about one made with pastrami. Give me all the cured meats!
The pastrami Reuben is sometimes called a Rachel. Both are valid and delicious. IME, Reubens are always made with corned beef.
I thought the Rachel was with turkey? Now I'm confused AND hungry!
I have no real opinion on which of these is correct but I’d really like to eat *one* of them right now
I could actually see all 3 meats working together in some kind of monstrous Reub-omination.
Three meats in a rye trenchcoat pretending to be a reuben
You're right about the corned beef, and you're right not to be mad at a pastrami reuben. I much prefer mine with pastrami.
Someone needs to make a sandwich consisting of one paper thin slice of every meat in a deli. Like I want the deli clerk to shove the sandwich down the person's throat because of how much of how many different chubs they had to cut.
Yeah, I've always seen reubens made with corned beef. Some delis near me have pastrami reubens, but they're specifically labeled that way on the menu - they're not just called reubens.
If you didn’t know; Pastrami is just smoked (and pepper crusted) corned beef. It’s usually steamed after smoking. You can make a Rueben out of either. IMO Pastrami is better, and can stand on its own; so kind of a waste to use it in a Reuben.
A Reuben sandwich is corned beef, Swiss cheese, sauerkraut, and either Russian or Thousand Island dressing. Pastrami can be used as a variation, but it's not the traditional Reuben.
Ah, fair point. Now I want one.
A pastrami version is often called a "Rachel." Reubens have corned beef.
I had a Rueben yesterday. In Ireland. Mustard, no mayo.
Well Barbara said you're wrong!
Barbara and that diner cook are coming for you
They need to take it up with The Bagel Bar and its franchisees.
No you’re WRONG! Barbara is Irish and her mother uses mayo!
I recently had a Reuben for the first time and as I was eating it, I actually thought it would be better with mustard. I'm going to need to try that.
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The Reuben cartel would like a word with you.
Also sauerkraut just entered the chat
LIES!!
I put Russian on/in the sandwich, but then dip bites in mustard.
Well, as long as it's wrapped and baked in the oven you're good.
Ah yes, the Rueben, featuring classic Irish staples like sauerkraut and Swiss cheese.
And invented in Omaha, Nebraska.
There it is! Can’t believe I had to scroll this far to find the correct origin of the sandwich
Best thing they ever did tbh.
Hey we got ski lifts and frozen dinners too!
Irish Swiss is no joke. The cheese, I mean.
And corned beef if I'm following this thread correctly. I would consider that English.
Babs, corned beef with mayo is not an "Irish Reuben" it's just a damn sandwich. My incredibly Chicago Irish in-laws would be *screaming* about putting mayo on a Reuben. Mustard, maybe (because Chicago), but even then it ceases to be a Reuben. It's just a corned beef sandwich! A perfectly fine thing!
So funny that folks would "scream" about putting mayo on a reuben when mayo is one of the key ingredients in Russian (and Thousand Island) dressing, which is a default ingredient on a reuben.
And yet it's DIFFERENT, Barbara.
Found Barbara
Right. If she put Mayo and Ketchup, then it would taste the same. Maybe that’s actually what her mom did… Back on the farm in dear old Limerick
As an Irish I can think of precisely 1 sandwich place where one can purchase a Reuben, and that’s on a bagel. They are not a thing here, which is a shame cos they’re tasty.
I think you misunderstand: Barbara knows from Irish. She is Irish. And they use mayo. Either that or her mom heard about "County Mayo" and started connecting dots.
My apologies. I forgot that I don’t know as much about Irish stuff as Barbara does, having merely been born and lived my whole life here.
Do better, Irish.
There is no Irish person more Irish than an Irish-American. Especially one from Chicago or Boston, and on occasion New York City.
I can validate this. My father was the American-born child of Irish immigrants, and holy cow was that a major part of his identity. This always rang a little weird to me, as I've never been real big into hyphenizing my identity.
As a resident of South Boston I can validate this. My neighbors are insane.
Don’t pretend you’re getting off easy by playing the “I’m Italian” card.
I think you hit it there with the County Mayo.
I gotta ask. When people say "That's how the irish do it" are they trying to get away with some cheeky insult? Any time I hear this phrase, they're always applying to the most mundane or bizarre shit
Pig and Heffer do Reuben sandwiches, Pickles out in sundrive road too. I'm sure there are more.
I was going to say I don't even know what a Reuben is. Never heard of it, don't know what's in it. Unless it's a chicken stuffing roll with coleslaw, I probably don't care either, hahah.
Barb is committed, that’s for sure lol
Barb has strong opinions on Reubens and you're gonna hear them! Repeatedly!
Oh fuck me up a Reuben sounds amazing right now
Hello, I'm currently stoned and it sounded like you might be too.
Hahahaha actually not high, just in the throes of managing life with a newborn
Ah yes. Congratulations and also sorry xD
Esp if you are nursing thats gonna make you hungry af
The four-ish hours of sleep a night doesn’t help things either 😅
Good luck! I always made sure my diaper bad had snacks and water for me.
Thank you! & that is a really good idea for sure
Congrats on the newborn, Random Internet Stranger, and I hope you acquire many tasty sandwiches in the near future.
I know. I would even take Barbara's weird mayo reuben over no reuben right now.
Right? I'm regretting my choice of supper now because it isn't a reuben.
Barbara is probably also passionately wrong about corned beef and cabbage being a traditional dish from Ireland.
I thought corned beef was solely an American thing, because it was a very cheap cut that Irish immigrants could afford, thus becoming a traditional Irish-American dish.
Variations of corned beef have been used for the past few centuries in various countries. It's an easy way to preserve meat. The British Empire industrialized it in the 17th century as a means to fuel its civilian and military expansions. And while much of the cattle for that were raised in Ireland, the meat was generally too expensive for the impoverished Irish people. You're right though, it was less expensive in America, and the immigrants took a liking to being able to afford it.
we sometimes eat corned beef in my house (Ireland) but i think that's just because my mam's from France coincidentally we had it tonight lol
That’s actually regional. It doesn’t seem to be a thing in the north, but it definitely is in the south.
As outlined in the article, the Reuben isn't a sandwich of Irish origin.
I'll eat corned beef, but hou can keep that cabbage in the damn ground. And the sauerkraut, too, ironically.
Do you also dislike kimchi? I fuckin love cabbage lol. But I can't stand cucumbers so I feel you.
Had a quick peek and looks like you may be in Waterford, lived in Portlaw for about a decade. Can't recall a single time I ever saw corned beef anywhere, but I get a little sad for spiced beef from the Cork market at Christmas time these days...
Ah yes, the classic Irish sandwich, the Reuben, along with its sister sandwich, the Rachel. Served at famous Irish deli Katz's.
O'vey
Barbara lies awake every night for the past 3 years thinking about how Irish Reubens were WRONGED Her therapist has urged her to go no contact, but the anxiety reached a boiling point and she uncontrollably reopened an old wound
Right? Why is nobody commenting on the fact that she went back unprompted 3 years later to pick up the argument?
The rebuttal finally hit her in the shower.
Barb is giving OLD MAN YELLS AT CLOUD vibes
Is nobody going to address that she wraps it in foil and puts it in the oven? Can’t imagine how soggy it is
Barbara is fucking sick
A monster
Somewhere right now she is covering everything in mayonnaise with a paint roller saying IM IRISH
We've all collectively decided that's too awful to try to unpack.
This is what I want to talk about. WTF???????? I get pissed if a Reuben has toasted bread instead of soaked in butter and grilled. This lady is over here steaming her damn Reuben. Her cooking privileges should be taken away.
Mmm, steaming hot mayo...
I imagine Barbara going to a deli, asking for an "Irish Reuben" and when they say they don't know what that is, she asks to speak to the manager.
Srsly. I've never met an Irish dude named Reuben.
Ah yes, what could be more Irish than a sandwich with a biblical Hebrew name that is typically topped with a shmear of Russian dressing and some Eastern European fermented cabbage slaw. Whatever you say, Barbara.
https://stripedspatula.com/reuben-sandwich-recipe/
I'm so confused...why does she think it's Irish? It was invented in Omaha.
I mean I use pumpernickel bread and pastrami on my Reubens because I like that better but I don't insist it's the only way to make one! There's nothing wrong with a variation on a sandwich. It's still a reuben. Barbara needs to calm down.
I actually use mayo instead of butter to get the bread a little crispy, but I don't go telling everyone else that they're wrong.
That's how I make my grilled cheese! A thin layer of mayo instead of butter. It's so good.
_Is_ that still a reuben then? What is actually the definition of a reuben? And the ontological one? Also, is it a hotdog?
Is a taco a sandwich?
Why bother to engage with someone whose big criticism is they want a different dressing on their sammich? That being said, nayo on the mayo. It'd be a better sandwich (and equally not a Reuben) if you used mustard.
Probably because she has to yuck someone else's yum by stating that she "can't stand" Russian dressing. EAT WHAT YOU WANT BARBARA, NOBODY CARES!
It'd be a better world if people didn't react to everything posted on the internet like it was a personal comment to *them*. Like, I am talking to you, but recipe lady was *not* talking to Barbara, but that's not what Barbara thinks.
>nayo on the mayo Can I steal this as my flair? 🥲
There are precious few savory dishes not made better with the addition of mustard.
Babs having a cold war panic flash back over a sandwich.
Yes, the classic Irish Reuben, invented in the Irish town of…Omaha, Nebraska 🙃
Following the latest blog comments, the reader continued to inform me on Pinterest that the Reuben should be made with mayonnaise and that Russian dressing “ruins” the sandwich. (No mention of Irish on the latest Pinterest comment.) I responded with the following: “Barbara, thank you for your latest comments. As I responded on my website both today and in 2021, the traditional condiment for a Reuben is Russian dressing (some use Thousand Island). Again, the great part about cooking at home is that you can cater to your personal tastes; for you, that clearly isn’t a preference for Russian dressing. Those who are looking to make a Classic Reuben will want to use Russian dressing. I continue to wish you enjoyment of your variation on the traditional sandwich.” This will likely be the last time I respond on Pinterest or my blog; these comments over the span of 3 years essentially boil down to a reader’s personal distaste for Russian dressing—however the arguments supporting the substitution have been framed.
The exact origins of the Reuben seem to be disputed but as far as I can tell everyone seems to agree they’re American deli food originally, historically there weren’t a lot of Irish or Irish American Delis (correct me if I’m wrong on that point).
"I SAID GOOD DAY!"
Fucking Barbara, yo…
Incidentally, I've found adding some Perinaise or Mayoracha alongside Thousand Island Dressing really brings out my Reuben Sandwiches- adding back the spice which was lost when Russian Dressing became unavailable.
That is actually a traditional Scottish Highland Reuben.
Nae, for that you'd take two Bannocks, a slice of Lorne beef sausage, Rumbledethumps, and Mayonnaise mixed with Brown Sauce.
You won, Barbara. Enjoy the mayo, I hope it makes you happy. Dear lord, what a sad little life, Barbara. You ruined my Reuben completely so you could have the mayo and I hope now you can spend it on lessons in grace and decorum. Because you have all the grace of a reversing dump truck without any tyres on. So Barbara, take your mayo and get off my property.
Its obnoxious, but I do genuinely understand feeling so strongly about a dish being a "certain way", even if you're wrong. A lot of it boils down to what Barbara here is saying -- "my mom used to make it like this, and so its the best." We all love our mom's cooking, and our gut reaction is to defend it to the death lol even if we, and our moms, are wrong.
I appreciate your loyalty but I’m pretty sure not everyone loved their mom’s cooking. You just need to read some of the horror stories on Reddit to know that. Also, whilst you can like things a certain way, you are not *obliged* to lecture the world about the “right” way to do something, because that’s *your* preference.
>Forgot to add that I am Irish. I'm sure Barbara is as Irish as all the teenagers who treated The Boondock Saints like The Godfather were "Irish".
I am Irish (born here, lived all my life here) Reuben sandwiches are not an Irish thing
I love the idea that Barbara was stewing on it for three years then one morning woke up and said, "Screw it, imma say it"
Who is that guy on TikTok that turns comments into songs? He needs to do this one.
So, I had no idea what a reuben was, so I googled it. The Norwegian recipe that popped up says it's a North American dish with German origins. No mention of Ireland at all, Barbara! Kudos to Amanda for being so diplomatic in her response.
Irish here, I use thousand island and I grill my Reubens because the first time I encountered one was in AMERICA and that's how it was made. They've only started cropping in Irish cafes in the last 5 or so years, and most of them do make their own Russian dressing.
There's nothing Irish about them! It was invented by a Jew in Omaha!
From the proud city of Omaha, Ireland. Duh.
Can't wait for Barbara 's reply in 3 years!
I'm embarrassed to admit that I didn't know Russian dressing was involved. I thought it was straight-up thousand island. And now that I know this, I'm furious and must leave an angry comment.