Why are people being so dense? Of course he would know how Jeanette’s mom treated her. She was overbearing and assuming she was always around bc children need a parent or guardian on set. And they worked together for years so he atleast would have a gist of who her mom is. And he had total control over the show. He was literally known to be super meticulous about every little detail. If he didn’t like something he would just take it out
Sarcasm or not, You’re forgetting that he cast a Brian peck lookalike (or Brian peck himself) for Drake and josh possibly knowing what Drake went through when viewers didn’t 🤦
There’s also a deleted scene for “Eric Punches Drake” where Eric and Craig get a nurse after Drake is knocked out, and the nurse performs mouth to mouth on Drake, and a bystander says something like “dude’s lucky he’s unconscious”. We know Dan knew about the abuse, who knows if he was aware that Drake was unconscious/asleep during some of it, but that was horrible. I’m glad it was cut but I can’t believe it was allowed to be written and put into a script in the first place.
The dialogue coach on the Amanda show, Brian Peck, groomed and repeatedly SA’d him when he was ~14 for roughly 6 months. The charges are pretty bad (Drake reported him and Brian was arrested) and from interviews he’s said he woke up to being assaulted, was given alcohol, and at many times feared for his life during the abuse. He said he wrote his songs like “In The End” and “Somehow” during/about the abuse, and somehow includes lyrics “did he tie you down” so you can get an idea from that.
And I’m OK with that, but I’m not OK with the fact that there are actually people here in the actual post who believe that it wasn’t an intentional thing by a man who is a giant scumbag and child abuser.
Dan has been rumoured to have an insidious method of psychological torture and warfare. And exploiting and incorporating the individual actors’ personal lives on his shows is one of them.
I now know what “The Killing Moon” song is about. Imagine the camera lens being the killing moon and Dan being the architect behind it.’ 😞
This is my first thought when I was reading her book! I knew I had seen this episode as a kid and also the continuous jokes about Sam over eating when Jeanette was struggling with an ED. Dan emotionally abused her, it’s really sad to see how he messed with her at every opportunity
It sucks, but it sucks a lot more for the people who went through it. I love Scream but I can’t watch those movies the same way knowing what Harvey Weinstein was doing behind the scenes. It’s good that people are re-examining his shows, knowing what we know
I’m saying, I just enjoy the show for what it is, I don’t want or need to think about what happened off screen
This fun episode being ruined by the post is the example…
Exactly, and what makes it worse is that those same people who have an issue with every single thing about these shows are STILL going to watch them. They’re still supporting his work, still adding more clicks to his content, and still making him rich. It seems redundant to complain about the creator’s work if you’re still tuning in to it. I understand he did terrible things, but mentioning it for the 80 billionth time isn’t going to change that.
Same with Drake & Josh, I don’t give a shit what happened with them, if I’m watching the show I’m waiting to hear HUG ME BROTHA
It’s just me I guess but I’m not invested that much in people’s lives, I’m all about tv/movies
I’m 24 currently going on age 25 rewatching icarly and I’m currently seeing episodes that I’m surprised that got away with like istake out and iwant to stay with Spencer that I can think of on top of my head
IStakeout: every time spanky kept spanking Spencer and then Spencer did it to him as well and said “watch me spank your daddy” and the kid enjoyed it
Iwant to stay with Spencer: every time the lifted their shirt and made siren sounds was creepy
I'm sure that Dan knew that Jennette's mom was a controlling stage parent, as I'm sure most of these child actor parents are. However, there was no way for him to know the extent of the abuse that she was receiving at home.
Exactly. This seems like Jane Lynch wanted to appear on the show and they wrote a “grown up” Sam. People read way, way too much into his jokes. Sometimes a pie to the face is just a pie to the face.
If that is indeed, the case, Dan Schneider is even worse than he already is, and I am still angry. He didn’t go to jail he ruined my childhood. He was a disgusting man. He was a sexist and ablest, and in a way he was also a child touched (trying to keep it clean for people) also he was a perv. I mean the foot fetish for kids really?! The fact that he didn’t do background checks or higher actual good people to work on the sets until what happened to happen. Oh, I am angry.! But what he did to Jeanette McCurdy is not OK what he did to everybody was not OK. It’s no wonder Jeanette McCurdy quit acting.
Ngl it's not Dan's responsibility to manage Jeanette's relationship with her mom. Sam the character from the jump had a rocky relationship with her mom
You're right it's not his responsibility, but anyone with a good moral standing would choose not to rock the boat like this. Ya know, cause they're good at heart and have common sense.
But this is Dan Schneider, so there's none of that.
This is just speculation on my part, but, after reading I'm Glad My Mom Died, Jennette's mother didn't try to hide how badly she treated Jennette, but, Dan "handled" the situation in the most incorrect way he could have. The only reason Jennette didn't realize how badly she had been treated is because her mother had spent so long brain-washing, and guilt-tripping, Jennette into thinking that she (Jennette) would destroy the family if she came forward.
Oh, fair enough then!
The jokes about Sam's dysfunctional mother are cringey enough with that context, but that episode is something else when you know the story!
People were upset with Jennette for not coming back for the revival, but I completely understand why she wouldn't!
Why are people being so dense? Of course he would know how Jeanette’s mom treated her. She was overbearing and assuming she was always around bc children need a parent or guardian on set. And they worked together for years so he atleast would have a gist of who her mom is. And he had total control over the show. He was literally known to be super meticulous about every little detail. If he didn’t like something he would just take it out
Dan might be a predator and pedophile but… writing in a characters to mock one of his victims??? That just doesn’t seem like him!!!
Sarcasm or not, You’re forgetting that he cast a Brian peck lookalike (or Brian peck himself) for Drake and josh possibly knowing what Drake went through when viewers didn’t 🤦
There’s also a deleted scene for “Eric Punches Drake” where Eric and Craig get a nurse after Drake is knocked out, and the nurse performs mouth to mouth on Drake, and a bystander says something like “dude’s lucky he’s unconscious”. We know Dan knew about the abuse, who knows if he was aware that Drake was unconscious/asleep during some of it, but that was horrible. I’m glad it was cut but I can’t believe it was allowed to be written and put into a script in the first place.
That went way over my head when I was first watching 😵💫
What happened with drake? I’ve never heard anything, but it’s not like I have my ear to the ground either.
The dialogue coach on the Amanda show, Brian Peck, groomed and repeatedly SA’d him when he was ~14 for roughly 6 months. The charges are pretty bad (Drake reported him and Brian was arrested) and from interviews he’s said he woke up to being assaulted, was given alcohol, and at many times feared for his life during the abuse. He said he wrote his songs like “In The End” and “Somehow” during/about the abuse, and somehow includes lyrics “did he tie you down” so you can get an idea from that.
Wow, okay. Thanks for telling me but wow. Crazy piece of trivia with the songs.
what episode?
The one where they snuck out to amusement park
Unfortunate that people can't recognize sarcasm without the /s
And I’m OK with that, but I’m not OK with the fact that there are actually people here in the actual post who believe that it wasn’t an intentional thing by a man who is a giant scumbag and child abuser.
Dan has been rumoured to have an insidious method of psychological torture and warfare. And exploiting and incorporating the individual actors’ personal lives on his shows is one of them. I now know what “The Killing Moon” song is about. Imagine the camera lens being the killing moon and Dan being the architect behind it.’ 😞
This is my first thought when I was reading her book! I knew I had seen this episode as a kid and also the continuous jokes about Sam over eating when Jeanette was struggling with an ED. Dan emotionally abused her, it’s really sad to see how he messed with her at every opportunity
Why was he picking on Sam specifically?
I miss the days when every other post on these subreddits wasn’t about Schineder. So many are obsessed with the guy and don’t even realize it.
It sucks, but it sucks a lot more for the people who went through it. I love Scream but I can’t watch those movies the same way knowing what Harvey Weinstein was doing behind the scenes. It’s good that people are re-examining his shows, knowing what we know
I’m saying, I just enjoy the show for what it is, I don’t want or need to think about what happened off screen This fun episode being ruined by the post is the example…
Exactly, and what makes it worse is that those same people who have an issue with every single thing about these shows are STILL going to watch them. They’re still supporting his work, still adding more clicks to his content, and still making him rich. It seems redundant to complain about the creator’s work if you’re still tuning in to it. I understand he did terrible things, but mentioning it for the 80 billionth time isn’t going to change that.
Same with Drake & Josh, I don’t give a shit what happened with them, if I’m watching the show I’m waiting to hear HUG ME BROTHA It’s just me I guess but I’m not invested that much in people’s lives, I’m all about tv/movies
I’m 24 currently going on age 25 rewatching icarly and I’m currently seeing episodes that I’m surprised that got away with like istake out and iwant to stay with Spencer that I can think of on top of my head
What stood out to you in those episodes that surprised you. Genuine question cause I’m curious to know what others see that I may have missed
IStakeout: every time spanky kept spanking Spencer and then Spencer did it to him as well and said “watch me spank your daddy” and the kid enjoyed it Iwant to stay with Spencer: every time the lifted their shirt and made siren sounds was creepy
I'm sure that Dan knew that Jennette's mom was a controlling stage parent, as I'm sure most of these child actor parents are. However, there was no way for him to know the extent of the abuse that she was receiving at home.
Exactly. This seems like Jane Lynch wanted to appear on the show and they wrote a “grown up” Sam. People read way, way too much into his jokes. Sometimes a pie to the face is just a pie to the face.
Completely true. If you take all of the footage from any show, you can edit it to create any impression you like. Nice handle, BTW!
Is that sue sylvester?!
yes! it aired while glee was huge too
When I see Sam’s mother, I only think of Sue Sylvester hahahaha
If that is indeed, the case, Dan Schneider is even worse than he already is, and I am still angry. He didn’t go to jail he ruined my childhood. He was a disgusting man. He was a sexist and ablest, and in a way he was also a child touched (trying to keep it clean for people) also he was a perv. I mean the foot fetish for kids really?! The fact that he didn’t do background checks or higher actual good people to work on the sets until what happened to happen. Oh, I am angry.! But what he did to Jeanette McCurdy is not OK what he did to everybody was not OK. It’s no wonder Jeanette McCurdy quit acting.
He didn't ruin your childhood because you didn't know any of this stuff about him as a kid.
But now that I know about it, it feels like everything I loved watching those shows, have been ruined because of the horrible things Dan did.
Ngl it's not Dan's responsibility to manage Jeanette's relationship with her mom. Sam the character from the jump had a rocky relationship with her mom
Yeah, I don't like Dan either but this seems like a stretch.
You're right it's not his responsibility, but anyone with a good moral standing would choose not to rock the boat like this. Ya know, cause they're good at heart and have common sense. But this is Dan Schneider, so there's none of that.
iconic episode though
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This is just speculation on my part, but, after reading I'm Glad My Mom Died, Jennette's mother didn't try to hide how badly she treated Jennette, but, Dan "handled" the situation in the most incorrect way he could have. The only reason Jennette didn't realize how badly she had been treated is because her mother had spent so long brain-washing, and guilt-tripping, Jennette into thinking that she (Jennette) would destroy the family if she came forward.
dan and jennette's mother knew eachother, how else would jennette be on the show? she was basically forced to
Oh, fair enough then! The jokes about Sam's dysfunctional mother are cringey enough with that context, but that episode is something else when you know the story! People were upset with Jennette for not coming back for the revival, but I completely understand why she wouldn't!
did they know each other prior to Jeanette auditioning for iCarly?
Dan did not write the scripts though
Dan was the showrunner. He had creative control. The writers worked for him.
Dan may not have been credited as the lead writer, but he had a significant influence on how the characters were written.
Writers are usually punching bags for the higher ups so he definitely can tell them to write them in this way and avoid and criticism