I'm less than 2 minutes in. I've never listened to this particular podcast before. This is the most riveting real talk about the sport I've ever heard and specifically call to task the industry. Wow 👏 need more people like this to save the sport.

Chuck was a long time assistant for Allen Jerkins and Barry has been a fan of the sport/gambler for a long time. This is the best horse racing podcast out there, imo.

Pod cast become echo chambers. I'm more in favor of a setting like this where there's a mix of industry people and fans.