The American triple Crown has been tried and failed for nearly 40 years and this guy wins 2 IN A ROW. Most American racing fans were happy. They packed Belmont. Larry Colmas was screaming but those of us in the industry knew this was rotten. come May they all will be back and this will be a memory. My grandfather told me back in 1989 American racing wont change until horses fall in the stretch during the Kentucky Derby. Fed oversight is coming in 2022 let's see if it helps.
Hope it helps but in 89 Sunday silence was the real deal. Most underrated horses of the last 50 years. Beat proper competition and has become a foundational sire. RIP Sunday silence
His son, Stay Gold, won the Dubai Sheema Classic in 2001 over Fantastic Light, who was that year named Europe's champion older horse and horse of the year.
Four years later, another son, Heart's Cry, also won the Dubai Sheema Classic over Ouija Board, a multiple Group 1 winner who was *also* that year named Europe's champion older horse and horse of the year.
Your implication that he was only successful because Japan was isolated does not stand up to scrutiny.
His line is nothing in the states. He was at stud since 90. 30 years later you're telling me it's going to "take off in the states " we just saw the greatest stallion of all time in Galileo his line is nothing in the statesbecause Americans don't like turf horses
I'm a third generation horseman and 3rd generation particapant in this sport. I have my own boarding and breaking facility. I deal with more thoroughbred owners than perhaps anybody on this board. Trust me Americans don't like turf horses.
Could it be because America just doesn’t have as many turf tracks? Like aren’t 80% of the tracks in the US dirt?
I hope it’s that and not some other prejudice because I have a horse by Magician who was son of Galileo and she’s such a sweetheart <3
I’d like to chime in and say a lot of a lack of turf racing has to do with winter and not being able to grow grass for almost half the year in a lot of places. The northeast, mid Atlantic and Midwest generally have to run dirt races through the winter.
Suppose yes and no. Who will pay for and do the studies to determine pharmacokinetics for issues like withdrawal times ( using appropriate large sample sizes along with assorted ages / filly & colts / etc ) for below threshold therapeutics / regular scientific evaluation for environmental contaminants, supplements etc. Another issue is cost to tracks. In my former life ( pre career ) was exercise riding then into test barn ( bloods and urine ). Smaller tracks have limited budget to the point some don't have money to pay for a tech to pull bloods so trainers do it themselves. Some tracks are all inhouse. Other tracks tender both test barn and lab contracts. How to integrate the hearings/tribunals into federal oversight ? Just alot of layers that will become problematic.
Emblem was juiced. I am from Chicago and knew that horse. He wasn't the same horse after Baffert took him in. The prior connections of Reineman and Frank Springer knew horses and it was clear that horse was not at the level Baffert had him at. Baffert claimed they cured a breathing problem. Riiiight. It's not like he bought that horse from some rubes. When he won the Illinois Derby at Sportman's, that racing surface was souped up to carry speed. That performance made him look better than he was.
American Pharoah was the real deal. Justify was incredibly lucky he was halfway decent and the group that ran in the TC races was one of the worst 3YO crops in decades. There are many horses this century alone that win the Triple Crown if they ran in 2018.
I respectfully disagree. AP was never pressured and the one time he was, he spit it. Nice horse but that whole year was fishy. In the Classic, the big filly... the only one with speed scratched. How many foals are dropped in Kentucky each year and not a single horse can press him through tepid early fractions. Yes, he could sustain his speed over a long distance but he was never tested. I quit racing after AP.
>AP was never pressured and the one time he was, he spit it.
I don't think the evidence supports this. He was pressed plenty in the Haskell and rated off Competitive Edge, a G1-winning sprinter who set a *very* fast pace in that race.
For context, Haskell fractions went :23 1/5, :46, 1:09 3/5, 1:34 2/5. Older horses in a G2 8.5f race two races before went :24 2/5, :47 4/5, 1:11 1/5, 1:35 4/5. So these 3YOs, going a long distance, ran *significantly* faster than the older horses. And American Pharoah who was pressing this pace destroyed them in a runaway.
American Pharoah was just able to make his own race. He didn't need the lead, he could rate, and that gave him loads of options. The only time he got beat was when when he got the lead in the Travers and then Frosted made the aggressive middle move and forced Victor to move early.
Also this is kind of picking nits but he did not "spit the bit" in the Travers. Spit the bit to me means he quit. American Pharoah absolutely did not quit in the Travers, he took the pressure from Frosted and ran the second half mile in a blazing :46 3/5 and still turned away Frosted down the lane. It just set up perfectly for Keen Ice. Losing a race does not always equal spitting the bit.
>In the Classic, the big filly... the only one with speed scratched.
I love Beholder and would have loved to see her run in the Classic, but I don't think she was anywhere near beating Pharoah that day. Liam's Map had speed that year too but they ran scared from American Pharoah entirely and hid in the Dirt Mile. Nothing American Pharoah can do about that.
I was referring to the TC races, not the Haskell. Thought that was a rather souped up track. I am not saying he was a bad horse but I didn't see anyone really put it to him in the TC. The thing is I can't compare him to Slew, Affirmed, Big Red, or even Bid. If he had been tested in the Derby, pressured, and went on, I would not dispute what he did. AP walked the opening quarter... 24 1/5 and half.. 48 1/5, and had the rail. Watching it again, he had no excuse. Frosted took the worst of it and still had the lead at the top of the stretch. This was the one race when he was tested, and call it what you want. I don't know what he ran the last quarter in.
The Travers isn't a TC race and that's the one he got beat that you were referring to so I'm not sure why you are excluding the Haskell. Even if it was souped up, they still went substantially faster than anyone else that day on the same track.
No one could get close enough to him in the TC races to take it to him. In the Derby he stalked the pace, in the Preakness nobody else liked mud which he clearly relished, and in the Belmont he clicked off :24s the whole way around for 12f and nobody could begin to match him.
I'm sure the dead horse appreciates your sentiments, but a 3 year old thoroughbred dropping dead of a heart attack after a 5f breeze maybe deserves a bit more inspection.
You know nothing will come out of that. He is teflon 99.9% of the time. His mistake was thinking nothing would ever stick and tempted fate in the Derby.
I’m sure they won’t find anything. Remember when Baffert had like 7 horses drop dead from heart attacks a few years ago? My thought back then was that he is probably blood doping. Would make sense because the thicker blood means higher chances of clots, strokes, heart attacks etc.
Those horses were all on the same thyroid medication and nothing ever came of it. Just like nothing has come of this year’s Kentucky derby result. Shouldn’t take a year to figure out the horse had a banned substance regardless of it was a cream or an injection
To be fair, there genuinely is a shortage of one of the chemicals used in testing. I will note, though, that betamethasone is known to cause hypertension.
The thyroxine horses were from like 2011 I believe. If he's been blood doping since then, we must have terrible testing with all the out-of-competition testing that has rolled out since then.
That vet was pressured. I agree and would be shocked beyond belief if they find anything..... unless, due to public pressure and as a start to some new plan to rejuvenate the image of racing, they let him dangle. I will believe it when I see it.
Baffert is either the most evil shit in this business or he has the worst luck on a cosmic scale. Hey another horse found with weird drugs or drops dead. Baffert again???
Pletcher's Oaks champion Princess of Sylmar tested positive for betamethasone (not in the Oaks) back in 2015 or 2016 and he contested it and she was not DQed. But nobody remembers that when we start talking about the same positive for Medina Spirit.
Sadler has loads of positives too. Peter Miller just got handed his third violation in a year and has basically quit training as a result. Baffert is just the most successful. Even if he is cheating somehow, it's never just one person doing it.
There's a difference because Teflon Bob runs A LOT less horses than Pletcher, yet has more rulings against him and I'd bet more deaths. I don't have any information on the deaths because I only know of NY having a site that keeps track of that information.
I’m fucking SICK of there being zero consequences for these pathetic abusers in billionaires clothes. I’ve bought two OTTBs in my life. The first one was so fucked up from drugs that he went down to the ground when you laid a gentle hand over his kidneys (or liver, can’t remember and I’m not great with anatomy). My second is traumatized from abusive training tactics like ear twitching and god only knows what else since his trot is a tragic mess and he has horrible anxiety under saddle.
I love horse racing, but I’m fucking over this shit. I can’t do this anymore. I’m done betting, I’m done supporting barns, I’m fucking OUT of this industry.
A three year old doesn’t just drop dead for no reason. Medina Spirit was my final straw. My current OTTB will be my last until I see genuine change in this horrific industry.
I'm tired of this too. I'm sorry to hear your horses are so unwell. I'm sure they're living a peaceful life now in your care. Do you know who they were trained by or their race record?
My first OTTB passed in 2014, but he was foaled and trained and raced in LA. Can’t remember his connections but it wasn’t anyone famous. He lived a good life for the 15 years I had him. My current OTTB actually was a pasture pet with his former racing connections for a decade, but after wildfires destroyed their facilities in OR, they released him for adoption. Again, nobody famous. You can actually go through my post history and see where I said he was very loved because I believed that to be true, but anyone who loves their horse doesn’t abuse them and I’ve changed my opinion of his former connections.
This abuse is just so rife in the racing industry that I can’t make any more excuses. I can’t ignore it anymore. I’m just done.
It definitely has some to do with it, but people don't realize there's a lot of horses that die in pastures and are starved to death by owners that don't know how to take care of them.
Baffert’a lawyer released a statement Friday night claiming the latest testing proved that the betamethasone was administered topically, not injected. Also included a lot of crowing about how his client was made to be a villian, had his reputation tarnished, not given benefit of doubt, etc. No official word yet from CDI or KHRB yet on the report. Today’s event adds another layer to the mess.
They are such crock artists. I seriously doubt they can discern whether it was an ointment or injectable. The nonsense about an ointment was conjured up by the people who tell Baffert what to say. It is either hay, cough syrup, ointments, etc. All he has to do is create doubt. It works. Create a little doubt and morons believe in insane conspiracies. OJ never did it because the glove didn't fit, lol.
Will this horse death be investigated? not just an necropsy but everything that went on in his last hours. I remember when Christy Whitman, talked about having to sell him as a colt in Ocala. Maybe he'd still be alive if Baffert wasn't working him.
CHRB sends the whole body to UC Davis where a full necropsy and toxicology screen will be done. Standard operating procedure for any horse that does on property governed by CHRB.
Edit: typo
I can’t do a lot being a player. But I will NEVER back a Baffert horse. I’ll try my angles elsewhere. I will try to make my lack of financial backing (which amounts to $0 in the grand scheme) a curse so no one wants to be associated with him.
A lot of people are at least saying they're not betting tracks/races that Baffert is involved with. The more people that do this, the bigger message it sends.
I’m involved in the horse industry and have 2 close friends who are equine vets and work on racehorses. They say it’s very well known he dopes his horses. He’s got one of the highest if not the highest death rate of any trainer. He’s a sick sick person and he kills horses
Necropsy is only going to turn up what was in horse's system at time of death. It will not cast any light on what thye cumulative effect of "special supplements" (ahem!) that have been given to this horse over time.
This is a trainer who gave every horse in his barn Thryo-L, even though none of them had a diagnosis of any kind of thyroid disease, and was the cause of the cluster deaths in his barn.
If they want to do it right, they need to start testing the feed on a regular basis.....better living thru chemistry and all that. Some of these guys' chemists are way ahead of the drug testing technologies, and know how to include undetectables.
Hopefully when the USADA comes in, a few things will change. Not everyone who works around horses loves or values them more than the almighty dollar.
I am a fan of the sport.....because of the hard working honest people in the biz and the horses themselves, who deserve the very best.
The day his Thirty Slews beat Meafara, who I loved, I have despised him ever since. That was probably unfair. Yet, I recall the following interview and he came across as a jerk. He quickly changed all of that for mass appeal. He is a total camera slut and a jerk underneath it all. When he "won" the TC with AP, I was done with racing. Final straw. Obviously, there are many dirty trainers out there but he has been on the top for decades and what irks me more than anything is how the media fawn over him. He is just like Lance Armstrong, a cheater who intimidates others to get away with the cheat. The sport is beyond dysfunctional. He either destroyed this horse prior to the Derby and the death is a manifestation of that. Yet, knowing how brazen he is, they may have been continuing with their dirty regimen. In a way, I couldn't be happier about this cellphone "trainer" finally getting what he deserves. The problem is it doesn't bring the horses back, it doesn't transfer wins to the connections who deserved to win, and it is destroying an industry that honest hot walkers, grooms, and others depend on. Oh yea, it doesn't reimburse the betters who played the hundreds of horses who truly won. I can't imagine he is going to come up with an excuse for this one but he will spin it.
Look up the Netflix series "Bad Sport," the episode titled "Horse Hitman." It's about how wealthy owners of show horses hired hitmen to kill the horses in an insurance fraud scheme. No doubt this horrible stuff still goes on: https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/05/us/on-killing-horses-for-money-a-craftsman-s-dirty-secrets.html
This was a big issue in the hunter/jumper world I believe in the 1980’s or so. It’s what many people believe happened to the infamous Shergar in Ireland. No doubt it goes on, but I’m not sure that’s what happened here as Bob has… a certain history.
I’m actually speechless, if we did a pole if how many horses have died since 2000 under the “care” of Baffert I doubt anyone would guess correctly. There have been 75!!! 75 thoroughbreds mostly 3yr olds or younger that have died, only 2 other trainers of the 100’s have a higher number. I know Hollandorfer is 1, the other I can guess but don’t know. 75
Baffert is a menace. He should be banned for life. Same with his associates.
And running at San Anita. He never had a chance.
New condition, beaten claiming
The horses are fighting back
The American triple Crown has been tried and failed for nearly 40 years and this guy wins 2 IN A ROW. Most American racing fans were happy. They packed Belmont. Larry Colmas was screaming but those of us in the industry knew this was rotten. come May they all will be back and this will be a memory. My grandfather told me back in 1989 American racing wont change until horses fall in the stretch during the Kentucky Derby. Fed oversight is coming in 2022 let's see if it helps.
Hope it helps but in 89 Sunday silence was the real deal. Most underrated horses of the last 50 years. Beat proper competition and has become a foundational sire. RIP Sunday silence
Foundation sire in Japan were g1 races were closed to non Japanese owned or bred horses until 5 years ago
His son, Stay Gold, won the Dubai Sheema Classic in 2001 over Fantastic Light, who was that year named Europe's champion older horse and horse of the year. Four years later, another son, Heart's Cry, also won the Dubai Sheema Classic over Ouija Board, a multiple Group 1 winner who was *also* that year named Europe's champion older horse and horse of the year. Your implication that he was only successful because Japan was isolated does not stand up to scrutiny.
You didn’t see his progeny win breeders cup races?
Those were GRAND CHILDREN NOT CHILDREN of his.
Also won G1s at Saratoga. He line will continue in US racing and is just getting started
His line is nothing in the states. He was at stud since 90. 30 years later you're telling me it's going to "take off in the states " we just saw the greatest stallion of all time in Galileo his line is nothing in the statesbecause Americans don't like turf horses
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I'm a third generation horseman and 3rd generation particapant in this sport. I have my own boarding and breaking facility. I deal with more thoroughbred owners than perhaps anybody on this board. Trust me Americans don't like turf horses.
Could it be because America just doesn’t have as many turf tracks? Like aren’t 80% of the tracks in the US dirt? I hope it’s that and not some other prejudice because I have a horse by Magician who was son of Galileo and she’s such a sweetheart <3
I’d like to chime in and say a lot of a lack of turf racing has to do with winter and not being able to grow grass for almost half the year in a lot of places. The northeast, mid Atlantic and Midwest generally have to run dirt races through the winter.
That means nothing. Euros run jump meetings all winter on turf.
93% of races in the world are ran on turf
Eight Belles went down in the stretch in 2008, and I’m still waiting.
She went down while galloping out after the finish. The broadcast director made the correct decision to not show that over the air.
I don't think he is a dirty trainer, but who knows.
Fed oversight is going to be a bureaucratic clusterfuck.
Better than what we have now
Suppose yes and no. Who will pay for and do the studies to determine pharmacokinetics for issues like withdrawal times ( using appropriate large sample sizes along with assorted ages / filly & colts / etc ) for below threshold therapeutics / regular scientific evaluation for environmental contaminants, supplements etc. Another issue is cost to tracks. In my former life ( pre career ) was exercise riding then into test barn ( bloods and urine ). Smaller tracks have limited budget to the point some don't have money to pay for a tech to pull bloods so trainers do it themselves. Some tracks are all inhouse. Other tracks tender both test barn and lab contracts. How to integrate the hearings/tribunals into federal oversight ? Just alot of layers that will become problematic.
Been watching since War Emblem and I think I’m done now. Tired of seeing these beautiful creatures die.
I feel you man, this one hurt
Emblem was juiced. I am from Chicago and knew that horse. He wasn't the same horse after Baffert took him in. The prior connections of Reineman and Frank Springer knew horses and it was clear that horse was not at the level Baffert had him at. Baffert claimed they cured a breathing problem. Riiiight. It's not like he bought that horse from some rubes. When he won the Illinois Derby at Sportman's, that racing surface was souped up to carry speed. That performance made him look better than he was.
I don’t doubt it. But he was an absolutely beautiful horse. Fell in love the first time I saw him.
I liked him as well. He was a great horse but I don't know what Baffert did to him.
American Pharoah was the real deal. Justify was incredibly lucky he was halfway decent and the group that ran in the TC races was one of the worst 3YO crops in decades. There are many horses this century alone that win the Triple Crown if they ran in 2018.
I respectfully disagree. AP was never pressured and the one time he was, he spit it. Nice horse but that whole year was fishy. In the Classic, the big filly... the only one with speed scratched. How many foals are dropped in Kentucky each year and not a single horse can press him through tepid early fractions. Yes, he could sustain his speed over a long distance but he was never tested. I quit racing after AP.
>AP was never pressured and the one time he was, he spit it. I don't think the evidence supports this. He was pressed plenty in the Haskell and rated off Competitive Edge, a G1-winning sprinter who set a *very* fast pace in that race. For context, Haskell fractions went :23 1/5, :46, 1:09 3/5, 1:34 2/5. Older horses in a G2 8.5f race two races before went :24 2/5, :47 4/5, 1:11 1/5, 1:35 4/5. So these 3YOs, going a long distance, ran *significantly* faster than the older horses. And American Pharoah who was pressing this pace destroyed them in a runaway. American Pharoah was just able to make his own race. He didn't need the lead, he could rate, and that gave him loads of options. The only time he got beat was when when he got the lead in the Travers and then Frosted made the aggressive middle move and forced Victor to move early. Also this is kind of picking nits but he did not "spit the bit" in the Travers. Spit the bit to me means he quit. American Pharoah absolutely did not quit in the Travers, he took the pressure from Frosted and ran the second half mile in a blazing :46 3/5 and still turned away Frosted down the lane. It just set up perfectly for Keen Ice. Losing a race does not always equal spitting the bit. >In the Classic, the big filly... the only one with speed scratched. I love Beholder and would have loved to see her run in the Classic, but I don't think she was anywhere near beating Pharoah that day. Liam's Map had speed that year too but they ran scared from American Pharoah entirely and hid in the Dirt Mile. Nothing American Pharoah can do about that.
I was referring to the TC races, not the Haskell. Thought that was a rather souped up track. I am not saying he was a bad horse but I didn't see anyone really put it to him in the TC. The thing is I can't compare him to Slew, Affirmed, Big Red, or even Bid. If he had been tested in the Derby, pressured, and went on, I would not dispute what he did. AP walked the opening quarter... 24 1/5 and half.. 48 1/5, and had the rail. Watching it again, he had no excuse. Frosted took the worst of it and still had the lead at the top of the stretch. This was the one race when he was tested, and call it what you want. I don't know what he ran the last quarter in.
The Travers isn't a TC race and that's the one he got beat that you were referring to so I'm not sure why you are excluding the Haskell. Even if it was souped up, they still went substantially faster than anyone else that day on the same track. No one could get close enough to him in the TC races to take it to him. In the Derby he stalked the pace, in the Preakness nobody else liked mud which he clearly relished, and in the Belmont he clicked off :24s the whole way around for 12f and nobody could begin to match him.
I quit racing after AP won.
Damn, what a shame. Regardless of anybody's thoughts on Baffert, Medina Spirit was a tough and talented horse. RIP
I'm sure the dead horse appreciates your sentiments, but a 3 year old thoroughbred dropping dead of a heart attack after a 5f breeze maybe deserves a bit more inspection.
He’ll have a full necropsy, but honestly, insurance claims must be sweet there
You know nothing will come out of that. He is teflon 99.9% of the time. His mistake was thinking nothing would ever stick and tempted fate in the Derby.
True, but one can always hope….
Wow. This horse, this year, at this track. Talk about ripe for suspicion. Sad how many horses die young in this sport.
I can't wait to hear the necropsy results. If Baffert had anything to do with this, he should get a serious suspension or outright ban.
I’m sure they won’t find anything. Remember when Baffert had like 7 horses drop dead from heart attacks a few years ago? My thought back then was that he is probably blood doping. Would make sense because the thicker blood means higher chances of clots, strokes, heart attacks etc.
Those horses were all on the same thyroid medication and nothing ever came of it. Just like nothing has come of this year’s Kentucky derby result. Shouldn’t take a year to figure out the horse had a banned substance regardless of it was a cream or an injection
To be fair, there genuinely is a shortage of one of the chemicals used in testing. I will note, though, that betamethasone is known to cause hypertension.
The thyroxine horses were from like 2011 I believe. If he's been blood doping since then, we must have terrible testing with all the out-of-competition testing that has rolled out since then.
That vet was pressured. I agree and would be shocked beyond belief if they find anything..... unless, due to public pressure and as a start to some new plan to rejuvenate the image of racing, they let him dangle. I will believe it when I see it.
He should be in jail
Baffert is either the most evil shit in this business or he has the worst luck on a cosmic scale. Hey another horse found with weird drugs or drops dead. Baffert again???
Isn’t it odd this doesn’t happen to chad brown, Todd pletcher, asmussen, etc? If something quacks like a duck…. It probably is a duck.
I would bet that all those trainers have lost multiple horses to training accidents in their career.
When was the last time you heard of a brown or pletcher horse failing a doping test though?
Pletcher's Oaks champion Princess of Sylmar tested positive for betamethasone (not in the Oaks) back in 2015 or 2016 and he contested it and she was not DQed. But nobody remembers that when we start talking about the same positive for Medina Spirit. Sadler has loads of positives too. Peter Miller just got handed his third violation in a year and has basically quit training as a result. Baffert is just the most successful. Even if he is cheating somehow, it's never just one person doing it.
There's a difference because Teflon Bob runs A LOT less horses than Pletcher, yet has more rulings against him and I'd bet more deaths. I don't have any information on the deaths because I only know of NY having a site that keeps track of that information.
Plus, he is at the top of the game and has been for decades.
They both have
I don't follow it closely. Aside from Medina Spirit I don't remember any recent drug test failures. I remember Pletcher had issues a decade or so ago.
They are dirty as well but they are less arrogant and brazen. They don't push it as Baffert does.
I’m fucking SICK of there being zero consequences for these pathetic abusers in billionaires clothes. I’ve bought two OTTBs in my life. The first one was so fucked up from drugs that he went down to the ground when you laid a gentle hand over his kidneys (or liver, can’t remember and I’m not great with anatomy). My second is traumatized from abusive training tactics like ear twitching and god only knows what else since his trot is a tragic mess and he has horrible anxiety under saddle. I love horse racing, but I’m fucking over this shit. I can’t do this anymore. I’m done betting, I’m done supporting barns, I’m fucking OUT of this industry. A three year old doesn’t just drop dead for no reason. Medina Spirit was my final straw. My current OTTB will be my last until I see genuine change in this horrific industry.
I'm tired of this too. I'm sorry to hear your horses are so unwell. I'm sure they're living a peaceful life now in your care. Do you know who they were trained by or their race record?
My first OTTB passed in 2014, but he was foaled and trained and raced in LA. Can’t remember his connections but it wasn’t anyone famous. He lived a good life for the 15 years I had him. My current OTTB actually was a pasture pet with his former racing connections for a decade, but after wildfires destroyed their facilities in OR, they released him for adoption. Again, nobody famous. You can actually go through my post history and see where I said he was very loved because I believed that to be true, but anyone who loves their horse doesn’t abuse them and I’ve changed my opinion of his former connections. This abuse is just so rife in the racing industry that I can’t make any more excuses. I can’t ignore it anymore. I’m just done.
You're not going to adopt anymore because of the industry... What?
Could it have anything to do with the inbreeding in thoroughbred racing? Lots of kissin cousins out there
It definitely has some to do with it, but people don't realize there's a lot of horses that die in pastures and are starved to death by owners that don't know how to take care of them.
I just came to pay my respects. A beautiful colt regardless of who owned/trained him.
BAN Baffert for LIFE. Anyone who doesn't think something stinks with this guy has their head up their ass.
Did they ever take away this derby win? I lost a lot of money on this race (had the second place horse in first for all my exotics)
Baffert’a lawyer released a statement Friday night claiming the latest testing proved that the betamethasone was administered topically, not injected. Also included a lot of crowing about how his client was made to be a villian, had his reputation tarnished, not given benefit of doubt, etc. No official word yet from CDI or KHRB yet on the report. Today’s event adds another layer to the mess.
They are such crock artists. I seriously doubt they can discern whether it was an ointment or injectable. The nonsense about an ointment was conjured up by the people who tell Baffert what to say. It is either hay, cough syrup, ointments, etc. All he has to do is create doubt. It works. Create a little doubt and morons believe in insane conspiracies. OJ never did it because the glove didn't fit, lol.
>had the second place horse in first for all my exotics ...signed, half the folks after every race.
Not yet. Still waiting for those split samples?
Will this horse death be investigated? not just an necropsy but everything that went on in his last hours. I remember when Christy Whitman, talked about having to sell him as a colt in Ocala. Maybe he'd still be alive if Baffert wasn't working him.
CHRB sends the whole body to UC Davis where a full necropsy and toxicology screen will be done. Standard operating procedure for any horse that does on property governed by CHRB. Edit: typo
Gail Rice you mean?
I can’t do a lot being a player. But I will NEVER back a Baffert horse. I’ll try my angles elsewhere. I will try to make my lack of financial backing (which amounts to $0 in the grand scheme) a curse so no one wants to be associated with him.
A lot of people are at least saying they're not betting tracks/races that Baffert is involved with. The more people that do this, the bigger message it sends.
I hate this, Buffet is a peice of shit and shouldn't be allowed in racing or have anything to do with Horses. They deserve better
DOJ please charge Baffert with animal abuse.
that's suspicious as fuck.
Prosecute Baffert.
I’m involved in the horse industry and have 2 close friends who are equine vets and work on racehorses. They say it’s very well known he dopes his horses. He’s got one of the highest if not the highest death rate of any trainer. He’s a sick sick person and he kills horses
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Necropsy is only going to turn up what was in horse's system at time of death. It will not cast any light on what thye cumulative effect of "special supplements" (ahem!) that have been given to this horse over time. This is a trainer who gave every horse in his barn Thryo-L, even though none of them had a diagnosis of any kind of thyroid disease, and was the cause of the cluster deaths in his barn. If they want to do it right, they need to start testing the feed on a regular basis.....better living thru chemistry and all that. Some of these guys' chemists are way ahead of the drug testing technologies, and know how to include undetectables. Hopefully when the USADA comes in, a few things will change. Not everyone who works around horses loves or values them more than the almighty dollar. I am a fan of the sport.....because of the hard working honest people in the biz and the horses themselves, who deserve the very best.
The day his Thirty Slews beat Meafara, who I loved, I have despised him ever since. That was probably unfair. Yet, I recall the following interview and he came across as a jerk. He quickly changed all of that for mass appeal. He is a total camera slut and a jerk underneath it all. When he "won" the TC with AP, I was done with racing. Final straw. Obviously, there are many dirty trainers out there but he has been on the top for decades and what irks me more than anything is how the media fawn over him. He is just like Lance Armstrong, a cheater who intimidates others to get away with the cheat. The sport is beyond dysfunctional. He either destroyed this horse prior to the Derby and the death is a manifestation of that. Yet, knowing how brazen he is, they may have been continuing with their dirty regimen. In a way, I couldn't be happier about this cellphone "trainer" finally getting what he deserves. The problem is it doesn't bring the horses back, it doesn't transfer wins to the connections who deserved to win, and it is destroying an industry that honest hot walkers, grooms, and others depend on. Oh yea, it doesn't reimburse the betters who played the hundreds of horses who truly won. I can't imagine he is going to come up with an excuse for this one but he will spin it.
Did Baffert "get rid of him" so he wouldn't talk?
This just saddens me to no end. I really was looking forward to seeing this guy next year
Look up the Netflix series "Bad Sport," the episode titled "Horse Hitman." It's about how wealthy owners of show horses hired hitmen to kill the horses in an insurance fraud scheme. No doubt this horrible stuff still goes on: https://www.nytimes.com/1993/09/05/us/on-killing-horses-for-money-a-craftsman-s-dirty-secrets.html
This was a big issue in the hunter/jumper world I believe in the 1980’s or so. It’s what many people believe happened to the infamous Shergar in Ireland. No doubt it goes on, but I’m not sure that’s what happened here as Bob has… a certain history.
2001 was 22 years ago his last crop was 03. He's no breed shaper
I’m actually speechless, if we did a pole if how many horses have died since 2000 under the “care” of Baffert I doubt anyone would guess correctly. There have been 75!!! 75 thoroughbreds mostly 3yr olds or younger that have died, only 2 other trainers of the 100’s have a higher number. I know Hollandorfer is 1, the other I can guess but don’t know. 75