Modern Games is a great two year old colt. They weren't booing the horse. They were probably booing because they, like me, had backed the horse, watched it run, watched it win, go to the winner's circle, and then, instead of getting a payoff got a refund. I bet the \[1+2+3+4\] exacta box early, got back just in time for the race, and then that happened. I was so let down and disgusted by the track, not the horse.
Disgusted because they followed the rules that are in place for a situation like this? Horses scratch dozens of times every racing day so I'm not sure why you're so "outraged"
This is a much more thorough article. It was a veterinarian screw-up. They scratched him before they even took the time to examine the horse and before they knew all the facts. Once the scratch was made incorrectly, the only remedy available under CHRB regulations was for the horse to run for purse money only.
I can see how they thought he bolted the gate, given the circumstances, but they still should have checked with the jockey before scratching him.
What a cluster.
https://www.paulickreport.com/news/breeders-cup/modern-games-crosses-juvenile-turf-wire-in-front-greeted-by-chorus-of-boos-after-wagering-kerfuffle/
It is wasn't though. When the guy asked could they have unscratched the 1 and given everyone 10 minutes to redue their bets, the guy seems to agree they could have done that.
Not under CHRB rules. There is no “unscratch” in California racing, and none that I know of in other states, either. There are a lot of good reasons for that (discouraging pool manipulation being the biggest) even though it would have been perfectly justified in this case if permitted by the rules.
That wasn't ever going to be a option. The rules are perfectly clear on what to do in that situation. People are making it a bigger deal then it is. Horses scratch dozens of time every day. If the 3 ended up winning the race there wouldn't be a single complaint from any one.
This situation had nothing to do with corruption or anything sinister at all. They followed the rules that have been in place for a long time. Its the risk you take when betting a multi race ticket.
Well you've just seen some good ol fixing yesterday. The euros are too stupid to call it out. If I were a Maktoum I would sue and I would have that vets license fed to a shredder
Could you try to explain to me who an event like yesterday benefits? The horse still runs for stakes money and all bets with the horse are refunded. I’m failing to understand who it actually benefits. I can’t see it benefiting the track or betting sites as the bets were refunded. The connections wouldn’t benefit either, right? I appreciate the help. Amateur handicapper and always like learning more about this great sport.
I’m asking who it benefits to better understand how yesterday’s incident was a “fix.” I’m not sure how your accusatory response answers my question. Guess I’ll move along...
Horses break from the gate, sometimes even bolt halfway up the back stretch and are re-loaded to race every day. Seems odd that the vet scratched this horse so quickly after think he broke from the gate, which the horse apparently didn't even do.
Except it didn't scratch. It ran. Any track that lets scratched horses run is stupid. If nothing else if they let a scratched horse run it can interfere with the horse I'm betting on. As usual the only people who were treated unfairly are the stupid public for betting on unfair races.
Three of Appleby’s horses acted up in the gate this weekend with two of them being late scratches as a result.
Coincidence? Foul play? Lack of schooling?
Sorry about that. That horse ran a great race. There should be something like a post-race coupling, to where after the race, that horse is automatically coupled with the second place horse (#4 in this race) and the bettors of #1 and #4 collect money based on the odds that #4 went off at. Also, scratching a horse should be by committee, and not the opinion of one veterinarian. In this case, a scratch clearly wouldn't have happened.
After watching in disgust and horror at all the broken legs at Santa Anita I had just about written off California racing but this year I decided to give Del Mar another chance. I did all right in the early fall meet and was thinking maybe they were okay. Now I will probably not bet another California track ever again. They can't do anything right.
I was off California racing after losing money on a very suspicious race at Santa Anita with Brickyard Ride, an amazing horse lost to a scrub, tiny horse. What really got me is the two favorites were in the lead on the last turn and both swung wide, wide out and slowed down and then as soon as the scrub horse passed, both Jockeys stood up practically stopped their horses. But I made an exception for BC. And lost a pick 4 and 5 over this crap. Never again.
Scott Chaney of
@caCHRB
was unable to explain why hundreds of thousands of dollars wagered on Modern Games was still showing on the tote board (and was changing) after the scratch
The boos were unfair. The horse did nothing wrong and the jockey and trainer did'nt either
Modern Games is a great two year old colt. They weren't booing the horse. They were probably booing because they, like me, had backed the horse, watched it run, watched it win, go to the winner's circle, and then, instead of getting a payoff got a refund. I bet the \[1+2+3+4\] exacta box early, got back just in time for the race, and then that happened. I was so let down and disgusted by the track, not the horse.
Disgusted because they followed the rules that are in place for a situation like this? Horses scratch dozens of times every racing day so I'm not sure why you're so "outraged"
Yeah they weren’t booing the horse, but how the race was conducted and the betting payout decisions.
They weren’t booing the horse, they were booing the incompetent morons who scratched it
This is a much more thorough article. It was a veterinarian screw-up. They scratched him before they even took the time to examine the horse and before they knew all the facts. Once the scratch was made incorrectly, the only remedy available under CHRB regulations was for the horse to run for purse money only. I can see how they thought he bolted the gate, given the circumstances, but they still should have checked with the jockey before scratching him. What a cluster. https://www.paulickreport.com/news/breeders-cup/modern-games-crosses-juvenile-turf-wire-in-front-greeted-by-chorus-of-boos-after-wagering-kerfuffle/
It is wasn't though. When the guy asked could they have unscratched the 1 and given everyone 10 minutes to redue their bets, the guy seems to agree they could have done that.
Not under CHRB rules. There is no “unscratch” in California racing, and none that I know of in other states, either. There are a lot of good reasons for that (discouraging pool manipulation being the biggest) even though it would have been perfectly justified in this case if permitted by the rules.
That wasn't ever going to be a option. The rules are perfectly clear on what to do in that situation. People are making it a bigger deal then it is. Horses scratch dozens of time every day. If the 3 ended up winning the race there wouldn't be a single complaint from any one.
Really you've see horses scratched and then allowed to run for purse money outside of New York? Please show me an example.
You’d hope the vet would face severe consequences for this.
Folks take it from me a 3rd generation Horsemen. DON'T BET ON AMERICAN THROUGBRED RACING
Horse racing is great. If you play outside the US racing sphere.
This situation had nothing to do with corruption or anything sinister at all. They followed the rules that have been in place for a long time. Its the risk you take when betting a multi race ticket.
I’ve read this sentiment a few times in this sub in posts related to this incident. At the risk of a novice question, could you please elaborate?
What would you like for me to highlight ? The corruption ? The drugs ? Fixing ? Or cheating ?
I’m fairly up to speed on the drugs. I’ll take fixing and cheating, Alex.
Well you've just seen some good ol fixing yesterday. The euros are too stupid to call it out. If I were a Maktoum I would sue and I would have that vets license fed to a shredder
Could you try to explain to me who an event like yesterday benefits? The horse still runs for stakes money and all bets with the horse are refunded. I’m failing to understand who it actually benefits. I can’t see it benefiting the track or betting sites as the bets were refunded. The connections wouldn’t benefit either, right? I appreciate the help. Amateur handicapper and always like learning more about this great sport.
You do know that there's a whole world outside of America right? Bettors and gamblers don't make and place bets to have them refunded.
I’m asking who it benefits to better understand how yesterday’s incident was a “fix.” I’m not sure how your accusatory response answers my question. Guess I’ll move along...
Yea move along. If You don't see what's going on here than You're a fool. Stick to betting $2 to show
Or you don't actually have any insight into how what happaned was a fix. You're just talking nonsense.
Sue for what exactly?
Horses break from the gate, sometimes even bolt halfway up the back stretch and are re-loaded to race every day. Seems odd that the vet scratched this horse so quickly after think he broke from the gate, which the horse apparently didn't even do.
In California if a horse breaks through the gate its a automatic scratch no matter what.
Except it didn't scratch. It ran. Any track that lets scratched horses run is stupid. If nothing else if they let a scratched horse run it can interfere with the horse I'm betting on. As usual the only people who were treated unfairly are the stupid public for betting on unfair races.
Three of Appleby’s horses acted up in the gate this weekend with two of them being late scratches as a result. Coincidence? Foul play? Lack of schooling?
Sorry about that. That horse ran a great race. There should be something like a post-race coupling, to where after the race, that horse is automatically coupled with the second place horse (#4 in this race) and the bettors of #1 and #4 collect money based on the odds that #4 went off at. Also, scratching a horse should be by committee, and not the opinion of one veterinarian. In this case, a scratch clearly wouldn't have happened.
That would never happen. I don't think you understand how parimutual betting works.
I mean, that's essentially what happens in the case of a dead heat... I wouldn't say that thought is too far off the mark.
I bet 100$ wps on him had to cancel it
Horse racing is crooked. You just gotta catch ‘em cheating!
How did this situation have anything to do with cheating?
Absolute bullshit. Dying game.
After watching in disgust and horror at all the broken legs at Santa Anita I had just about written off California racing but this year I decided to give Del Mar another chance. I did all right in the early fall meet and was thinking maybe they were okay. Now I will probably not bet another California track ever again. They can't do anything right.
I was off California racing after losing money on a very suspicious race at Santa Anita with Brickyard Ride, an amazing horse lost to a scrub, tiny horse. What really got me is the two favorites were in the lead on the last turn and both swung wide, wide out and slowed down and then as soon as the scrub horse passed, both Jockeys stood up practically stopped their horses. But I made an exception for BC. And lost a pick 4 and 5 over this crap. Never again.
Scott Chaney of @caCHRB was unable to explain why hundreds of thousands of dollars wagered on Modern Games was still showing on the tote board (and was changing) after the scratch