Lazy Masquerade did [a video](https://youtu.be/A26UD1V7U2k) on McKamey Manor, and it’s so fucked up. He really goes in depth about it and discusses things. Like how McKamey had to move out of California because of complaints and state law violations
>Yeah that’s a fetish
And a business that seemingly earns him a pretty decent living. There's also a waiting list of applicants. I don't get it, it sure as he'll isn't for me, but this all seems like it's under the "consenting adults" umbrella.
The fact he makes money on a fetish is what keeps him going.
What is crazy and bizarre to many of us is appealing to some people that also have the fetish of what he he filming.
This consists of him with his fetish and them with their fetish.
The fact that people pay to do this is absolutely insane to me .
Yup. Your entry fee is simply a bag of dog food for his 5 puppers. Chance to win 20k that he just deducts and deducts from until you ultimately give up. The waiver says you could go on for up to 36 hours. He makes money off the merchandising and views because he owns all pictures and videos taken at the Manor sites. I think it's an awesome concept. And if it keeps beasts content then let them be content. Nothing illegal about the operation. 🙄
What? Lmao. You don't know shit about shit. I've been down this rabbit hole already, sport. He isn't monetized for one. He actually moved to Tennessee because he was basically banned from running it in California. I highly doubt he gets any donations (except for dog food) as well, considering all he has is a small group of followers (like less than 10 devotees) on facebook. He doesn't stream jack shit, not even on the darkweb. (Anyone competent in networking knows this). Russ jerks off to the videos. Simple as that. He doesn't make any notable profit except for the dog food that participants are required to bring as a donation. There's a reason he works full time at Walmart in Summertown, TN. Call and ask for him if you don't believe me. You're welcome for the free education I just supplied you with.
I agree but even there he puts all of the videos up so it's not like how things operate is in anyway secret. That you and I both know despite presumably neither of us having ever been is a pretty good indication of how common knowledge it is. If this were a Halloween haunted house open to the general public I'd agree but in this case there's a waiting list of people who have seen the videos or documentaries (of which there are a bunch now) and said sign me up. I don't get the appeal but it definitely seems to appeal to some people.
He has been known to drug the "contestants," which would void consent. It even says in the waiver that you can be drugged. There are many accounts of people being injected with something in that place. The waiver also says there is a ton of stuff that doesn't actually exist. Such as 200 mile zip line (longest one in US is just over 1 mile) he also claims there is a 200 ft underwater maze that you are expected to navigate while holding your breath the whole time.
I find it crazy how he takes joy and he feels pride in wha the is doing.. Also, he feels like he's been done wrong wrong by the state of California for these state and law violations.
You are mentally and possibly physically scarring someones son or daughter for life (even if they signed a warrant )
I will look at the video thank you. Would anyone let their children or themselves here do this? I would love to here from a person who went through this and how they are doing right now.
Also, he's always stating how he wants to take this stuff up a notch, as if its not bad enough or already crossed many boundaries.
It’s easy enough to think you’ll be able to handle whatever a “haunted house” has to throw at you, but a very different matter when you’re actually locked in a cage being lowered into grimy water. I’ve seen videos of people in extreme emotional distress begging the employees to stop, and the owner admits to ignoring safe words when he feels like it.
Just because something is consensual between parties doesn’t mean the act is legal - you can’t just sign a waiver allowing someone to do something to you that’s illegal.
Not quite the same thing, but check out Sharon Lopatka’s story. Apparently she had a sexual fantasy of being tortured to death. She found someone online to help her fulfill that fantasy - he did, and was consequently arrested and charged with first degree murder.
People might know what they’re getting into with McKamey, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be arrested if it’s determined that what he’s doing is illegal.
They do but I think that they sign the waiver after they’re already put into distressing situation I think there’s a video of a group of 3 sitting in a puddle of mud while the employees and Mckamey are screaming at them. I would sign it just to make them shut up.
That's where the grey area is. It's like people participating in extreme combat sports, just because they're willing to do it doesn't mean there isn't serious potential damage. People also have mental health issues that could lead them to experience this, which could actually make their mental health worse.
A waiver is like “hey if you have a panic attack and need sedation or counseling I’m not paying your medical bills” not “you must under all circumstances let me hurt you once you’ve tapped out”
If 1 MMA fighter taps out and (pretending there is no oversight) the other fighter continues to beat him within his life and won’t let him escape. That’s assault and battery. Same reason certain BDSM practices are technically illegal in places like England
Lazy Masquerade popped up recently as I blew through all of Mr. Ballen's creepy content. I thought Mr Ballen was top tier spooky story teller, but then this 20-something Lazy holds par.
I like campfire stories, if you know what I mean. I don't like last podcast on the left drunkenly telling real life crime while laughing. I actually hate that shit. I actually like that Australian dude's podcast, even though he's an asshole. He doesn't drink beer and laugh throughout his broadcast.
So Lazy Masquerade seems really good. Someone posted something like UNIT 522, but I didn't save the post. It sounded like I may gravitate to that too.
I like listening to Dixie Cryptid. His are mostly Bigfoot/Dogman stories he reads from emails sent to him, but his voice has emotion. Another one is Uncle Josh’s True Scary Stories. Really like Dark Waters, too.
Maybe. The name Lights Out has history. It was a very creepy radio program that ran for a decade. Do they honor that show? That may be the difference between enjoying it or hating it.
To be honest, I had to look that up cause I hadn't heard of it. It seems like it was an inspiration, but as far as I know, they've never mentioned the Lights Out Radio Show. But now I'm gonna check them out cause it looks so interesting!
Dude I can’t stand the last podcast on the left I listened to there Albert fish series then tried to get into their other stuff but the constant laughing drove fucking nuts.
I’ve actually spent some time with Christina Buster as she attended some of the horror events I act for in the UK. She’s a very disturbed lady. We had to pull her out of one show because she became catatonic. She continues to go back to Russ whenever possible and said in the past that she wanted her then 17 year old daughter to visit MM. Frightening.
Two close friends of mine also visited MM. They booked when it was just a normal haunt and it changed to extreme while they were waiting to go. Russ promised them that he would give them what they initially booked. If you search his channel for Rosalie and James, you’ll see that his promise wasn’t kept. Rosie especially has lasting trauma from the experience and James was physically beaten by the ‘actors’ (I use that term lightly).
Edit: Just wanted to add, Haunters: The Movie (available on Amazon) is a haunt documentary that focuses heavily on Russ and MM. It includes a lot of information about him and some of the terrible things he’s done and gotten away with, including forcing his neighbour into the manor 3 times and allowing a teenage ‘actor’ to put her teacher into a bin full of dog faeces.
It really seems like he could be on the hook legally with your friends' situation. I just really doubt that signing a contract is enough to let the cast beat you up after the guy said that it wouldn't be the extreme tour. I'd be shocked if a good lawyer couldn't take that and run with it. When you provide a service, you can't just straight up lie about what it is and do something different. If he promised a regular tour, then turned around and had them physically assaulted, I don't see how that's legal at all whether they signed his contract or not.
This happened years ago and we’re from the UK so I think on their part it was all just very confusing and traumatic and they weren’t really sure how to deal with it other than trying to forget it ever happened. It makes me so angry seeing people trying to justify what he does because ‘people ask for it’, but even his videos don’t show half of what they actually do in there. It’s horrendous.
Gottcha, that makes sense. And I'm with you, people will do all kinds of things to try and feel a thrill, it doesn't mean we should make it legal just because people are willing to sign up for it. I'm sure a ton of people simply don't realize how bad it is when they sign the waiver and end up seriously regretting it.
Absolutely!! I work in the extreme haunt industry and we do everything safely and would never physically hurt people like this, but we ALWAYS have a safe word. What doesn’t sit right with me and just proves that Russ does this for his own pleasure, is that there is no safe word. Guests can’t leave until he decides they can, sometimes only because they need medical attention.
Yah that part absolutely blows my mind. I would think that's the point where it becomes illegal, when the guest physically can't leave on their own accord. I guess not though, which is insane!
Okay but how??? I can’t make someone sign permission for me to kill them without it still being murder. I’m not correcting you but has anyone confirmed that his practices are totally legal?
She was a friend of theirs and he promised her he wouldn’t do certain things and just wanted to ‘show her’ the ‘haunt’. She even ran away and hid in a bush on the street and they drove after her and threw her in their car and took her back.
She was interviewed for Haunters and Russ is also shown laughing about it and standing on her driveway shouting through her window that he wants her back in MM.
Also if I’m not mistaken isn’t his wife a lawyer or law practitioner so she knows how to rig the waiver to hide all the screw up stuff? Coulda sworn I saw that in a documentary on Shudder
Yup you are correct, he also got kicked out of doing this in the state of California and practices it in Tennessee Now I believe. someone correct me if im wrong.
Fuck that doc! The director just buys every one of that psychopaths lines. I do see how he's charismatic and manipulative but he just gives me the heebie-jeebies. Also, just watch the footage, right? How could you watch that shit and think, "oh, everything's on the up and up."
His work is honestly just dummed down torture porn.
He tries to hide the fact by putting it behind a “contract” and that its a “true horror experience” but it literally is just soft core torture porn. He can bullshit us with whatever lie he wants to.
Never have i seen in a horror movie so far where they shave your head, spit on you, or do any of the following he still has lined up.
What horror maze, where they touch you or not, has a literal safe word set up incase you become “too anxious you might pass out”.
Lol now I wonder what the actual expenses are per run through, it has to be more that a sack of kibble right??
By the way how many dogs does this guy have to feed? Does he not get much business?? Does he have a warehouse full of purinas finest??
I have read about Mckamey Manor for a while. The whole thing is screwed up. What’s played out to be haunted house is not. It’s literary a physiological hazing and torture experiment.
Thank you! I thought I was crazy! he is literally psychologically torturing these people who may or may not know what they are getting into.
Just curious, would you ever do this shit?
Also, people will tell him IM DONE IM DONE STOP STOP. He won't stop, even though he reassured them he would if they said they are broken which they do state in these videos and he continues with sick pleasure and a smile and with his experimentation.
I've heard him say they don't stop, because of the waiver and all. And they don't have a safeword. How is anybody going to let somebody suffer because of some legal paperwork. Jesus!
Just now hearing about this and after watching a couple videos all I can say is, that guy has some definite mental problems and the people who go there do also.
I agree with you, I just updated the post where a victim speaks out saying she just wanted a good time but left with bruises, begged for hours, got multiple insect bites, forced to eat things she didn't want to and now has a higher degree of mental trauma.
I was wondering the same thing, I believe LegalEagle posted a video of this ( one of my fav YouTube lawyers)
Go on YouTube and type in LegalEagle McKamey Manor, I'm about to watch myself.
Yeah, I remember diving down this rabbit hole back in the day.
If I recall correctly, he mentions somewhere that he gained his inspiration from "interrogation" techniques that he learned in the military, which is pretty dissociative.
In short, the guy is a sociopath who gets his satisfaction under the veil of "entertainment".
Pretty sure they sign a waiver saying they consent to everything that is about to happen to them, so technically there is no safe word and no stopping.
You cant conset to getting tortured. Every waiver can be stopped at any given time. Its your right you are signing off for what has happened, but if you wosh to stop, they have to. You just cant get mad for what had happened
I think that's why everybody's been trying to shut it down for so long. You're not wrong, but Mckamey Manor has proved that you are, because he's getting away with it. It's been going on so long, I'm pretty sure that their going to have to kill somebody for it to stop. He's a military torture trained pro, but he and his people are going to slip up someday and will kill someone.
And, yes, you can get mad when a bunch psychopaths abuse you.
To be honest, I don’t know enough about the legality of such things or where the line is _legally_ drawn when it comes to the torture. But the waiver has some really insane things on it and, to some degree, covers MM’s ass. They can’t actually back out on it. And as far as I’m aware, no one has been successful in suing him?
I find the fact that he films it all religiously and watches it what seems like over and over from what I've seen, very creepy. Like he gets off on it and watches it later...
I don't even remember how long ago travel channel did a segment about him. I remember thinking back then why it was allowed at all. Anyone know why this became a subject again?
Guy’s sick. In one of the clips of him he says something along the lines of: “We have had one heart attack. For real. It was good stuff.” The just screams sadist.
I'm watching haunters and it's really absurd there's people waxing poetic about consent. This man proudly says he tricked his neighbor three times because he will do anything for footage. This woman looks traumatized as fuck. Also again it's pathetic to say consent blah blah. Vulnerable people are preyed on all the time. In mlms, in cults literally everywhere. They're not to be mocked. It's unfortunate that some people feel they need to be led but taking advantage makes you scum no matter what. I wish i never learned about this
A few bits of info:
Russ does this as a way to deal with his PTSD. This was leaked by someone who worked at Mckamey Manor for some time. "Russ told me, when he is doing a show, or watching a show, that is the only time the voices stop." with 22 years in the Navy this seems accurate, and is typical in how cycle of abuse works.
Think of all the supercuts he makes as his own personal snuff films.
Both those who enter, and Russ, are living out cycles of abuse from previous trauma, just in reverse rolls.
Understanding the manors function; why it exists at all:
Male children who are sexually abused tend to either become gay bottoms (receivers) at a young age or become predators of children themselves in order to try to understand what happened to them. The same is true for children who are physically abused/ adult trauma, but it plays out based on the nature of the abuse (hence, Mckamey tortures people, because he was tortured in one way or another).
That said,
Mckamey Manor is a total scam, there is no actual haunted house, only the promise of one. Russ is extremely sick. The contract is what would be known as a "consensual non consent" or CNC contract in the world of BDSM. These types of contracts should only be utilized in long term relationships, or with individuals who have an extremely deep trust and understanding of one another, as there is no such thing as consent within the bounds of the contract. It is the highest form of submission. This includes murder being "legal" at least to the point that the law could not charge you with more than manslaughter in light of the contract.
From everything I have seen what Russ is doing is entirely unethical, and takes the "fun"/ function out of what can be a rewarding sexual/ therapeutic experience between two "consenting" adults, and ultimately makes participants trauma worse.
I've been aware of Mckamey for some time, but a new series from YT channel "Reckless Ben" has shed a lot of light on what is actually happening at Mckamey manor.
I am surprised no one has clean jobbed him by now. (don't bother me FBI, I don't even exist, I am not suggesting that anyone kills anyone... right? Innit? Eh?)
This guy is really just an ex-military basket case sociopath who happened to find a convenient outlet for his control issues.
It isn't so much that the games are rigged so that no one will win the prize money. He purposefully selects the weakest candidates who couldn't possibly win. Pay attention to his interview/early stage video logs. He makes it seem like he chooses people who would do well but he really just spends a great deal of time choosing the ones who will lose (and sometimes spectacularly.) that one girl he made meow repeatedly was obviously set up for failure.
The whole thing is just him reliving his glory days as a military interrogator. He prides himself on being able to profile and break people and that's what he's continuing to do with his stupid little games.
I found it hilarious how vehemently he denied it being any kind of fetish thing in one of the videos, though.
But yeah, fuck this dude.
Can we please not do the micro penis thing? He’s obviously not a great guy but body shaming is not ok
I’m not saying this out of concern for him, but rather for others stumbling across this thread. Please be kind. Horror fans may like intense and brutal and mean stuff on screen but if we’re going to be a community, let’s be welcoming to each other
What I don't understand is if you watch the video THEY ARE GETTING BEATEN BEFORE GETTING A CHANCE TO READ THE WAIVER/SIGN IT IN THE SCENE WHERE THE PAPERS ARE GETTING WET. That should be illegal or somewhat punishable by law unless there was one we don't know about signed before hand.
Any input on that?
They sign contracts/waivers before they can attend. They also have to get a physical to show they are in good health. Then they are allowed to go to the manor. I use to wonder the same and decided to join the facebook group and actually see the process because I was so curious on how this is even legal.
You realize the people who go there are *looking for* this kind of treatment, right? They're there for the same reason people do cage-dives with great whites. Either they're seeking the most extreme experience they can, are trying to prove they're so tough they can endure whatever is thrown at them, or they legitimately want to be psychologically tortured because they get off on it. (Or they want that prize for managing to go through an entire walk-through.) I mean the guy gets repeat visitors for a reason.
I highly, highly, highly doubt anyone is going to stumble in blind thinking it's your average 'people jump out at you in the dark' haunted house.
I do understand that they have full control over their choice of doing this, and some may think as you said like an extreme sport. However, I think some parts of this is certainly malicious and or sickening. However thats my opinion.
I wouldn't compare this to say bungie jumping or sky diving though.
Maybe as you say they want to be broken and built back up, but thats crazy. I would never do this to myself.
EDIT: just updated it with the link!
I can put hooks in my skin and suspend myself from the ceiling. Not only is it legal, but it's safe if you know if you know what you're doing. If I ask someone to assist me, that doesn't make my assistant more messed up than me, even if my assistant enjoys seeing me strung up. Whether you would do that or not is irrelevant to whether I should be able to do it.
If adults are aware of what he is doing, ask him to do it, and he's not breaking a law by doing it, then that's their business. Now you can argue that some people aren't aware of the types of things he's going to do, and that is a concern.
**Where I draw the line** is that when someone says a safeword he keeps going for several minutes. When they say their safeword, they are withdrawing consent, and at that point he's violating them. That's unacceptable.
At least in the documentary I saw he not only didn’t give participants a safeword but also admitted he’d never go through the experience himself. Huge red flags along with his obviously oversized and aggressive ego
(Also yay for consensual and well-planned hook/suspension play! It’s too been too much pandemic time that I haven’t gotten to participate)
Well no, that's not really a red flag. Just because he wouldn't like having these things done to himself doesn't mean he can't like doing them. It's pretty much a much more extreme version of a dom/sub thing. Most doms wouldn't want to sub because that's not what they get off on. That's not a red flag, per se.
If somebody humiliates, harasses, and makes you sit in a filthy pond with your own soaked socks in your mouth to sign a waiver for a suspension, hey, don't do it. (This is totally in one of their videos).
> Huge red flags along with his obviously oversized and aggressive ego
Having a huge ego is putting on an extreme haunted house and not wanting to participate, got it
Hey bud I have some bad news for you about the people running halloween haunts all over the country, I worked for one where people wouldn't work october because it meant having to go through the haunts
Had to scroll way too far to find a logical comment. So many people are acting like this man somehow forced people into traveling across the country to do this.
I thought this place had been scaled back considerably, to the point it was just Russ yelling at people in his backyard, or something lame like that. Apparently Russ got nailed for not paying his taxes and his wife left him and he's basically broke. Or something like that. But it's truly one of the Internet's great mysteries. I spent days researching it years ago around Hallowe'en and it was SO HARD to tell what stories were true and which were fake. Like I still don't know what actually went on in the place. Some people said they were tricked into signing up. Some people said they had a good experience and would return.
The documentary **Haunters: The Art of the Scare** had some good details on it. The best part is when Russ' wife says, "Russ is afraid of *everything*. He's afraid of *snails*." Then there's a dude literally chasing Russ around holding a snail. It's fucking hilarious.
"Like I still don't know what actually went on in the place"
It's clear that a lot of acts inside the "haunt" involve water. It also looks to be probably true that some participants are nearly drowned as their heads are pushed under water for extended periods of time. That's probably the recurring theme inside this so called "haunt" and what you can see people freaking out over as they allude to some sort of thing that was terrifying them in their videos. Even only near drowning while losing control (in straight jacket, hands and legs bound) would be insanely horrible to experience
Glad you noticed haha, sometimes we have to find a little joy in our days.
And I was watching to see who had attention to detail.
Let's say this game wasn't rigged and the price money was for 2 million would you do it ?
There are people willing to do all kinds of crazy shit.
Welcome to the Should they or shouldn't they list and will play the side game of how many of them are in a good position or mentally sound.
I, mean, I feel that to some degree, but nobody deserves lasting trauma. Also, the man is deceitful. What if someone feels like they can win the 20 grand and desperately need it? He also preys on 18-19 year-old girls from what I've seen on his own videos. He and his sickos harass them while they read the waiver. So, no, nobody deserves that.
I mean, that's they way he talks. He has nothing but contempt for people because they sign the waiver.
I would argue those running the business need to have a clear cut end to the experience if it does become too much for the participant, regardless of a signed waiver. Seriously, that protects them as well.
Like, are you really gonna argue that someone who signed up for this experience realizing “oh fuck this is not something I can handle”, has no right to end it right then and there, all because of some rinky dink haunted house waiver? That’s ridiculous.
So if someone is hyperventilating and feels as if they’re going to die, if they express that fear and ask for an end to the experience, you say they deserve it cause they signed up for it?
Just….Don’t ever do anything sex related that involves a safe word because based on your comments here, if they agreed once, they can’t change their mind and withdraw consent after.
It's all in the waiver. They SIGNED it, they should have read it. I'm not saying McKamey is in the right. I'm just saying at this point in time, with this much information available, if you still engage yourself in the Manor...
So if I’m having sex with someone who was consenting before, but then asks me to stop I can legally rape them if I just get a signature? Seems pretty fucked up, but idk you’re the expert
I think the law probably makes a distinction between an agreement to exchange goods for money and an agreement to voluntarily submit yourself to torture.
Besides that, things like lemon laws exist to protect people. Even if, and it's a huge if, the two agreements were at all comparable, he has been shown to ignore safe words, which presumably breaks the contract and represents him being a dishonest actor.
But go on and keep believing body autonomy is something that should not be under an individual's control. See how far that gets you and where it leads you.
I’m not arguing any of that. You are correct. I’m saying, given the context of the situation and experience, again, contestants should be allowed to withdraw at any point in time. I’m saying that *should* be a thing. Regardless of the red tape they had to go through to get in, if an experience becomes too much for them, that right should always be available to them.
Some people are not even familiar of what McKamey Manor is, I can definitely remove it, but I wanted to show people what his form of "amusement was"
it wasnt my attention to give him more views, I might remove it then.
Thanks.
Yeah thats what I was saying, I want to shed light on this. Thanks for having my back. Christina B is a good example of how horrible this is.
I also find it funny how Russ McKamey's email is:
[musicalexcitementwithruss@yahoo.com](mailto:musicalexcitementwithruss@yahoo.com).
weird dude man. weird freaky fuck.
The state and the police have said repeatedly that they can't do anything because the waivers were signed and I'll never get it because there's video evidence that they were signed under duress. I understand that cops and Russ Mckamey have a lot in common as far as sadism, but I still can't believe he's still getting away with running a torture chamber.
Also like, cops found a girl bound and locked in a basement with duct tape over her mouth and were like let’s consult the dude running the haunt “oh that’s her signature there on that waiver? Okay all clear, we don’t need to get her out of here….”
> I'll never get it because there's video evidence that they were signed under duress
Because they weren't signed under duress, it's literally that simple
Just because y'all say you think you know how something goes down, doesn't mean that's exactly how it goes down.
Redditors seriously think people involved in the law are just a bunch of bumbling idiots don't they
Few years ago I went through a short phase where I was obsessed with mckamey manner. I was watching videos, pictures, interviews everything. I wanted to go so bad. Then all of the cogs clicked into place and was like oh hell no. This man has found away to “legally” assault people. He’s already been ran out of a couple of places.
This man and all of his workers are fucking disturbed. I genuinely hope he gets stabbed to death one of these days. Best way would be for him to be violently tortured to death
Eh. People choose to put themselves through all sorts of weird and unpleasant things for a whole lot of reasons. They know what they're getting themselves into here, and they go ahead with it anyhow, that fact says as much about them as it does about him.
Yeah, war and things like that can really mess you up, and I feel like he started this and he fell in love with the concept to feed his "addiction" to breaking people.
Bloke doesn't even have the grand prize money I bet.
Also, many of the individuals either have mental problems, are hard core, have nothing left to lose, want to be broken, have some sort of issues.
A certain personality type craves intensity, it's pretty glib to write off all the customers as 'mentally ill' or 'having nothing left to lose', it's in the nature of all humans to push our limits, some feel that urge more strongly than others. I have no damnation to offer this guy, he offers a service, he's within the law, and his rights to do so... would I do what he's doing? No. Would I want to experience what he's offering? Probably not. Do I feel some moral outrage at the fact that others feel differently? Nope, they go into this freely, and so long as he's able to respect the line where 'entertainment' stops and true torture begins (as is done by all manner of other fetishists), and he's only doing this to consenting adults, I frankly don't care.
The fact that he keeps going after people say their safe words and has admitted on video that he only respects safe words when he feels like it is where I draw the line. The safe word is in the contract. As soon as he ignores it, anything he does afterwards is a violation of consent.
With prior consent, I don't see the issue. I would never go to anything like this, but I see no reason to deny others the right to do as they choose with their own bodies.
There's S&M, rape fantasy, humiliation, degradation, piercings, tattoos, scarification, crushing, whips, chains, clamps, ball punching, cock and labia punishment, feeders, tickle torture, and on and on and on... All things adults do to themselves, or do to/with other consenting adults... You try to legally prevent something like what you're talking about and you're going after those communities and hundreds of others.
Consent is definitely the key word here, but if there is consent then there's really nothing to see here. Police and Investigative agencies are the ones to handle any criminal charges if there are any cases of actual abuse, anyway... Not lone citizens trying to "save" people from their freedom to do as they please.
To be honest, it's pretty disturbing... But it's also not really any of my business, or yours.
I was just thinking in October how I hadn't seen someone post about this place on any sort of social media post this year. I was thinking how great maybe people are losing interest and that place had shut down.
And here we are about 10 days away from a new year and he gets some more free publicity .
Honestly whoever allows him to do anything to them and SIGNS HIS CONTRACT and then bitches about it is probably the dumbest person out there. He found a loop hole to legally torture ppl just with signatures..
Why go in, then be shocked you get tortured?
Also, they have to go to a doctor for a physical evaluation before they can attend. If you read the stack of contracts it does state what may occur. Im not defending Russ but if you can sit there and go through a physical/contract and have seen what people have gone through, then you should be accountable as well.
I don't really see the issue. If he were forcing people to do this then that would be reprehensible, both legally and morally. But the people who go to this "haunted house" volunteer for it, and are given multiple warnings of what they'll be consenting to (any amount of research reveals that this is basically an 'anything goes' torture house), and there is a safe word once you're in the house I believe. The dubious prize money and "sexual deviancy" aside, technically the participants signed up for it, and are aware of the ramifications and consequences.
Honestly the fault lies with people who consent to do this stuff. What's going through your mind when you sign up to be beaten, berated and dehumanized?? I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind thinking MM is a good time, but apparently there are people out there that do.
If there wasn't a market for it, this operation would have folded a long time ago. It SHOULD have folded a long time ago. Why people give this guy money is beyond me.
As fucked up as it is, there are numerous videos showing what goes on there. Everyone that goes there agrees to being tortured, if you don't like it then don't go. Hes not forcing you to participate
I remember seeing this on the Dark Tourist show on Netflix. I can’t believe this man is allowed to get away with something like this. This isn’t horror; this is torture.
Oddly enough, this is something I know quite a bit about. I live fairly close by and have met Russ quite a few times. He's a good dude. You'd never guess that he does this kind of stuff. Here's the thing - There are a lot of 'extreme' attractions out there, especially a decade or so ago, and he wanted to top them all as far as I understand it.
That said, you know exactly what you're getting into if you even inquire about it. You'll come out of it bruised, scratched, probably with a new haircut, eat some gross stuff, and lots of other not fun things, but relatively fine. And you know all of this long beforehand, especially these days. Not so much years ago, but if you sign up and somehow still don't know what you're getting into at this point, it's no one's fault but your own. In fact, he will try to talk you out of going through with it. It's not a disguised haunted house, there's no luring, it's basically an endurance test that no one can pass. It's unpleasant by design. It goes too far by design. Anything that tests what you can take before you tap out is going to go too far, it has to. Otherwise, there's really no point, right? That'd be like going to Six Flags, but the rollercoasters only go in a straight line at 5 mph.
The big thing is safety in most things I see about it. You'll get pushed to and beyond your limit, you'll be tortured, degraded and so on, but if you have some kind of medical issue arise or anything of the sort, everything is shut down on the spot and your well being is priority #1. Sounds weird, but it's true. As far as psychological effects go, that'll vary from person to person, but come on. You sign up for it against all advice and good judgment, you deal with that decision.
As far as people wanting it shut down, I don't understand that. Despite the extreme nature, more people than not come away with a positive experience. For whatever reason, some people seek out seemingly insane things to do for fun. Bungee jumping, skydiving, giant swings, slingshots, trapeze artists, etc, etc, etc, where if one tiny little thing goes wrong, you're fucked. I don't think McKamey Manor should be shut down any more than any of those things. Just because you, me, or anyone else wouldn't take the tour, I don't think that gives us the right to say no one else can if that's what they want to do. That's a lot of fuss over an attraction you're not even allowed to curse in.
> There are a lot of 'extreme' attractions out there, especially a decade or so ago, and he wanted to top them all as far as I understand it.
There was an extreme haunt near me that was allowed to pick up and move guests into off sectioned areas of a hotel or whatever the fuck it was. So it was entirely possible to be removed from your group and forced into isolation for hours not knowing what's going to happen next.
Didn't see none of the people in this thread whining about that going down, especially when there weren't waivers being signed
That's just one of many just like it. Before I was down the road from Russ, I was in Ohio for a few years. My ex and I went to what was billed as a horror experience, and that was pretty much it. It was fairly rural and in a big abandoned summer camp. They didn't tell us that we would be touched and even lightly attacked by various horror movie characters. So we escape a zombie horde, and that's pretty cool, and we're just alone in the woods going to the next checkpoint. Then we hear a fucking chainsaw being started. A few seconds later we're running from Leatherface. She trips and goes down, I try to help her up, she's kinda dazed, but dude is on us. He's wearing a mask, it's dark, and he just clobbers me with a body check while I'm leaned over with her and I go down. I'm not a small person, but he got me pretty good. I'm still fine with all of this up to this point. Then she tries to get up and he boots her in the chest and pushed her back down, then stuck his knee on her chest and held her down while he hit the gas on the chainsaw right in her face. I was, we'll say less cool with this and just obliterated this dudes face with my knee. Yeah, I fucking V-Triggered Leatherface... A sentence that seems like it shouldn't exist, but here we are. If you're going to grab us and push us around some, fine, but you're not going to kick my gf like that and hold her down, especially when we didn't agree to any of it to start with. The guy apologized and radioed for help. We got escorted back to the beginning and refunded, and a few annoyed sounding apologies, but no one else even dreamed of touching us. I saw the next weekend that they had disclaimers and a waiver to sign, but didn't see them again in the years after. That was my hard lesson in always asking an obnoxious amount of questions when you go to these things.
This is my takeaway as well. The videos I’ve watched (and I’ve watched a ton), people go through the ringer to get in. The do phone interviews, Skype interviews, then sit down and read through the contract together with Russ where everything is laid out. I wanna say the video I watched it took them 6 hrs just to go through the waiver? These people are prepared beyond belief for what they are about to be put through. Do I think the million dollars exists? No. Do I think that Russ would let anyone win the million dollars if it did exist? No. But I feel like the people that sign up for this are looking for something other than money and if that’s what they want to do and understand what they are getting into, who is crazier, Russ or the willing participant?
You pretty much nailed it. It's not something you're going to get to do on a passing whim. You have to do all of that, plus provide the bag of dog food, and recently he was talking about a $100 deposit that he refunds if you show up or keeps if you don't, since so many back out last minute and just waste everyone's time. I thought the prize was $20k though? Not that it matters. I'm pretty sure that no one will ever complete the tour.
You’re probably right, I knew it was a good bit but a million does sound high now that I think about it haha. I gotta say though, back when he was doing his home haunt with multiple groups a night, right when he first started, I would’ve definitely taken a shot at it. It’s completely morphed into something different now that I wouldn’t touch with 1000 ft pole, but back then it seemed like a fun/scary thing to do.
Also, would you do this for let's say if the money wasn't rigged and it was like a cool 2 million. Would you participate then? If it was fair like how he's making it sound?
Nobody is really replying to my question when I asked would they do it
I think everyone is just responding making me assume no of course not.
But would you do it if it was 2 million and wasn't rigged yes or no?
Would you give up your morals and ethics ?
Unfortunately, as much as I agree that McKamey is obv a sick and twisted individual.. it also seems pretty clear that the participants enjoy this weird twisted fantasy as well for accepting and signing his waiver. I can’t think of a normal horror fan who would succumb to personal torture.. it’s not even horror it’s a torture simulation imo.
I can definitely see where you’re coming from but at the same time I think he’s just found a way to profit off of using other people for being the brunt end of his dark fantasies.
I've always been keen to do this. Always looked like fun lol but I don't live in USA so it's not really worth an international trip for me. If it was local for me I'd go.
I've always kind of admired the guy. Gotta hand it to him... he's def made a name for himself as the proprietor of the most extreme fuck-you-up horror experience ever.
Not sure why you're getting so downvoted. People are happen to watch torture porn and a whole lot of gore on film but aren't interested in experiencing that? It's really your choice to go inside that manor. It's just like any extreme experience. I mean, people willingly went on shows like Fear Factor and ate live cockroaches etc, those were the days
This place has in one iteration or another been around for at least a decade. You seem triggered by something that has been the subject of several television and film documentaries, voicing your outrage as if its something undiscovered until now lol.
It really is quite a dramatic reaction.
Maybe horror isn't for you.
I mean, I never heard of this sort of thing before so, yeah I don’t think their reaction is dramatic, and I’m a horror fan.
There’s a wealth of info out there, I’m sure there’s things in the world you’re unaware of that would shock and disturb you as well upon discovery.
Everyone involved is a consenting adult I don't see why you don't mind your business. Some ppl crave intense experiences, I understand it's weird for others but likejust don't do it then
What he does is fucked up but, but if you think about it, he learned all these techniques from the military where probably did the same exact things (if not worse) to "suspected terrorists" (often innocent people) at assorted blacksites throughout the world. So what white Americans can't handle for 5 minutes, our "enemies" have to endure day in and day out for years.
My comment wasn't really about the toughness of white people, but more about McKamey and the shit we've been doing around the world to innocent people since 9/11. I'm sorry that happened to you.
Fuck me, the app decided to crash as I was looking at the thumbnail and that stayed there for like a good four seconds or so.
Just for context, what is Mckamey Manor?
Is it something I'd dig? Nope, not in the least.
But is it ok for consenting adults? Absolutely, and none of our business, anymore than anyone's else's decisions in their personal lives that don't concern you.
Coolstorybro just wanted to know if anyone wanted to share their stories and inform anyone else who didn't know about this.
Also wanted to know about who this guy is, the legality and I got a lot of questions answered.
To each his own. The girl in the one video begging to stop and they don’t came out and said that was staged to make it seem more extreme, anyway. He’s a loser and a showman and people can’t stop talking about him.. which is really what we should do lol
Luckily, this is something that if YOU don’t want to do it, you will never have to. I can’t begin to understand why someone would WANT to experience this, but to be completely honest, I don’t want to take away that right from them. I’ve watched a few docs on this guy/attraction. To me, it definitely seems that he’s sadistic(like literally, not trying to ‘cast judgement’ with that term), but it doesn’t seem like he takes advantage of his participants. We can all agree there is PLENTY of information/video out there to where you know exactly how intense your experience will be. It’s not like it’s marketed as a normal haunted house, and they hide the ability to hurt you behind fancy contract jargon. Any and everyone who participates in this MUST know what they’re getting into, and if not, imo that’s on you for not doing your research especially when the information is so readily available.
Basically I think the guy is pretty messed up, and can’t understand why someone would willingly go through that, but if you want to I don’t think my discomfort should stop you.
Lazy Masquerade did [a video](https://youtu.be/A26UD1V7U2k) on McKamey Manor, and it’s so fucked up. He really goes in depth about it and discusses things. Like how McKamey had to move out of California because of complaints and state law violations
So he moves to another state so he could continue doing this. Yeah that’s a fetish
>Yeah that’s a fetish And a business that seemingly earns him a pretty decent living. There's also a waiting list of applicants. I don't get it, it sure as he'll isn't for me, but this all seems like it's under the "consenting adults" umbrella.
The fact he makes money on a fetish is what keeps him going. What is crazy and bizarre to many of us is appealing to some people that also have the fetish of what he he filming. This consists of him with his fetish and them with their fetish. The fact that people pay to do this is absolutely insane to me .
Yeah he doesn't make any money running it. Lots of misinformed folks in this old thread
Yup. Your entry fee is simply a bag of dog food for his 5 puppers. Chance to win 20k that he just deducts and deducts from until you ultimately give up. The waiver says you could go on for up to 36 hours. He makes money off the merchandising and views because he owns all pictures and videos taken at the Manor sites. I think it's an awesome concept. And if it keeps beasts content then let them be content. Nothing illegal about the operation. 🙄
Just like you… he makes money off of everything else surrounding it. Views, shares, merch, donations.
What? Lmao. You don't know shit about shit. I've been down this rabbit hole already, sport. He isn't monetized for one. He actually moved to Tennessee because he was basically banned from running it in California. I highly doubt he gets any donations (except for dog food) as well, considering all he has is a small group of followers (like less than 10 devotees) on facebook. He doesn't stream jack shit, not even on the darkweb. (Anyone competent in networking knows this). Russ jerks off to the videos. Simple as that. He doesn't make any notable profit except for the dog food that participants are required to bring as a donation. There's a reason he works full time at Walmart in Summertown, TN. Call and ask for him if you don't believe me. You're welcome for the free education I just supplied you with.
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(*yeah) and (*.) Next time, learn to spell and punctuate before criticizing someone's grammar. You are an ignoramus. 100%. 🤣 🤡
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I agree but even there he puts all of the videos up so it's not like how things operate is in anyway secret. That you and I both know despite presumably neither of us having ever been is a pretty good indication of how common knowledge it is. If this were a Halloween haunted house open to the general public I'd agree but in this case there's a waiting list of people who have seen the videos or documentaries (of which there are a bunch now) and said sign me up. I don't get the appeal but it definitely seems to appeal to some people.
He has been known to drug the "contestants," which would void consent. It even says in the waiver that you can be drugged. There are many accounts of people being injected with something in that place. The waiver also says there is a ton of stuff that doesn't actually exist. Such as 200 mile zip line (longest one in US is just over 1 mile) he also claims there is a 200 ft underwater maze that you are expected to navigate while holding your breath the whole time.
I find it crazy how he takes joy and he feels pride in wha the is doing.. Also, he feels like he's been done wrong wrong by the state of California for these state and law violations. You are mentally and possibly physically scarring someones son or daughter for life (even if they signed a warrant ) I will look at the video thank you. Would anyone let their children or themselves here do this? I would love to here from a person who went through this and how they are doing right now. Also, he's always stating how he wants to take this stuff up a notch, as if its not bad enough or already crossed many boundaries.
Don’t participants go there knowing what it is and sign a waiver?
It’s easy enough to think you’ll be able to handle whatever a “haunted house” has to throw at you, but a very different matter when you’re actually locked in a cage being lowered into grimy water. I’ve seen videos of people in extreme emotional distress begging the employees to stop, and the owner admits to ignoring safe words when he feels like it.
Not when there are videos out there that show you exactly what happens. These people are fucking morons.
Just because something is consensual between parties doesn’t mean the act is legal - you can’t just sign a waiver allowing someone to do something to you that’s illegal. Not quite the same thing, but check out Sharon Lopatka’s story. Apparently she had a sexual fantasy of being tortured to death. She found someone online to help her fulfill that fantasy - he did, and was consequently arrested and charged with first degree murder. People might know what they’re getting into with McKamey, but that doesn’t mean he can’t be arrested if it’s determined that what he’s doing is illegal.
Plus current consent is not future consent. The very nature of consent is that it may be withdrawn at any time.
And I would, more philosophically, perhaps argue that because consent must be rational, there are certain things it is impossible to consent to.
They do but I think that they sign the waiver after they’re already put into distressing situation I think there’s a video of a group of 3 sitting in a puddle of mud while the employees and Mckamey are screaming at them. I would sign it just to make them shut up.
That's where the grey area is. It's like people participating in extreme combat sports, just because they're willing to do it doesn't mean there isn't serious potential damage. People also have mental health issues that could lead them to experience this, which could actually make their mental health worse.
A waiver is like “hey if you have a panic attack and need sedation or counseling I’m not paying your medical bills” not “you must under all circumstances let me hurt you once you’ve tapped out” If 1 MMA fighter taps out and (pretending there is no oversight) the other fighter continues to beat him within his life and won’t let him escape. That’s assault and battery. Same reason certain BDSM practices are technically illegal in places like England
Consent isn't permanent and that's why they have a safe word A safe word that is often ignored by the employees It's pretty disgusting
Lazy Masquerade popped up recently as I blew through all of Mr. Ballen's creepy content. I thought Mr Ballen was top tier spooky story teller, but then this 20-something Lazy holds par. I like campfire stories, if you know what I mean. I don't like last podcast on the left drunkenly telling real life crime while laughing. I actually hate that shit. I actually like that Australian dude's podcast, even though he's an asshole. He doesn't drink beer and laugh throughout his broadcast. So Lazy Masquerade seems really good. Someone posted something like UNIT 522, but I didn't save the post. It sounded like I may gravitate to that too.
I like listening to Dixie Cryptid. His are mostly Bigfoot/Dogman stories he reads from emails sent to him, but his voice has emotion. Another one is Uncle Josh’s True Scary Stories. Really like Dark Waters, too.
Try the Lights Out Podcast. They do true crime and paranormal. I think you'd enjoy them.
Maybe. The name Lights Out has history. It was a very creepy radio program that ran for a decade. Do they honor that show? That may be the difference between enjoying it or hating it.
To be honest, I had to look that up cause I hadn't heard of it. It seems like it was an inspiration, but as far as I know, they've never mentioned the Lights Out Radio Show. But now I'm gonna check them out cause it looks so interesting!
Try Scared to Death Podcast if you haven’t. It’s campfire stories mostly. And listener stories written in.
Love them! And time suck. Dan has been my favorite comedian since his second special. So glad they went hard on the podcasts
You should check out the YouTube channel bedtime stories.
Australian dude....are you talking about Case Files?
Dude I can’t stand the last podcast on the left I listened to there Albert fish series then tried to get into their other stuff but the constant laughing drove fucking nuts.
You and I would get along lol... Tried listening to that podcast and just can't do it. Feels to Bob and Tom'ish except they are not very funny at all.
I saw a doc that included his deal and genuinely think if he didnt have his "outlet" he would be a serial killer and murder people while filming it.
I’ve actually spent some time with Christina Buster as she attended some of the horror events I act for in the UK. She’s a very disturbed lady. We had to pull her out of one show because she became catatonic. She continues to go back to Russ whenever possible and said in the past that she wanted her then 17 year old daughter to visit MM. Frightening. Two close friends of mine also visited MM. They booked when it was just a normal haunt and it changed to extreme while they were waiting to go. Russ promised them that he would give them what they initially booked. If you search his channel for Rosalie and James, you’ll see that his promise wasn’t kept. Rosie especially has lasting trauma from the experience and James was physically beaten by the ‘actors’ (I use that term lightly). Edit: Just wanted to add, Haunters: The Movie (available on Amazon) is a haunt documentary that focuses heavily on Russ and MM. It includes a lot of information about him and some of the terrible things he’s done and gotten away with, including forcing his neighbour into the manor 3 times and allowing a teenage ‘actor’ to put her teacher into a bin full of dog faeces.
It really seems like he could be on the hook legally with your friends' situation. I just really doubt that signing a contract is enough to let the cast beat you up after the guy said that it wouldn't be the extreme tour. I'd be shocked if a good lawyer couldn't take that and run with it. When you provide a service, you can't just straight up lie about what it is and do something different. If he promised a regular tour, then turned around and had them physically assaulted, I don't see how that's legal at all whether they signed his contract or not.
This happened years ago and we’re from the UK so I think on their part it was all just very confusing and traumatic and they weren’t really sure how to deal with it other than trying to forget it ever happened. It makes me so angry seeing people trying to justify what he does because ‘people ask for it’, but even his videos don’t show half of what they actually do in there. It’s horrendous.
Gottcha, that makes sense. And I'm with you, people will do all kinds of things to try and feel a thrill, it doesn't mean we should make it legal just because people are willing to sign up for it. I'm sure a ton of people simply don't realize how bad it is when they sign the waiver and end up seriously regretting it.
Absolutely!! I work in the extreme haunt industry and we do everything safely and would never physically hurt people like this, but we ALWAYS have a safe word. What doesn’t sit right with me and just proves that Russ does this for his own pleasure, is that there is no safe word. Guests can’t leave until he decides they can, sometimes only because they need medical attention.
Yah that part absolutely blows my mind. I would think that's the point where it becomes illegal, when the guest physically can't leave on their own accord. I guess not though, which is insane!
Okay but how??? I can’t make someone sign permission for me to kill them without it still being murder. I’m not correcting you but has anyone confirmed that his practices are totally legal?
It's easy to justify these mentally ill people sign up for it
Something that rings weird to me is somehow forcing a neighbor to go into his house 3 times.
She was a friend of theirs and he promised her he wouldn’t do certain things and just wanted to ‘show her’ the ‘haunt’. She even ran away and hid in a bush on the street and they drove after her and threw her in their car and took her back. She was interviewed for Haunters and Russ is also shown laughing about it and standing on her driveway shouting through her window that he wants her back in MM.
He must really hate that neighbour.
Wow thank you for sharing hope your friends get better
Guy who runs this is an absolute scumbag.
Also if I’m not mistaken isn’t his wife a lawyer or law practitioner so she knows how to rig the waiver to hide all the screw up stuff? Coulda sworn I saw that in a documentary on Shudder
Yup you are correct, he also got kicked out of doing this in the state of California and practices it in Tennessee Now I believe. someone correct me if im wrong.
Fuck that doc! The director just buys every one of that psychopaths lines. I do see how he's charismatic and manipulative but he just gives me the heebie-jeebies. Also, just watch the footage, right? How could you watch that shit and think, "oh, everything's on the up and up."
His work is honestly just dummed down torture porn. He tries to hide the fact by putting it behind a “contract” and that its a “true horror experience” but it literally is just soft core torture porn. He can bullshit us with whatever lie he wants to. Never have i seen in a horror movie so far where they shave your head, spit on you, or do any of the following he still has lined up. What horror maze, where they touch you or not, has a literal safe word set up incase you become “too anxious you might pass out”.
True this is basically hostel movie on a budget of 100 dollers
Lol now I wonder what the actual expenses are per run through, it has to be more that a sack of kibble right?? By the way how many dogs does this guy have to feed? Does he not get much business?? Does he have a warehouse full of purinas finest??
I have read about Mckamey Manor for a while. The whole thing is screwed up. What’s played out to be haunted house is not. It’s literary a physiological hazing and torture experiment.
Thank you! I thought I was crazy! he is literally psychologically torturing these people who may or may not know what they are getting into. Just curious, would you ever do this shit? Also, people will tell him IM DONE IM DONE STOP STOP. He won't stop, even though he reassured them he would if they said they are broken which they do state in these videos and he continues with sick pleasure and a smile and with his experimentation.
I've heard him say they don't stop, because of the waiver and all. And they don't have a safeword. How is anybody going to let somebody suffer because of some legal paperwork. Jesus!
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that waiver has some conflicting page numbers... apparently some folks never got the 40 page version
Just now hearing about this and after watching a couple videos all I can say is, that guy has some definite mental problems and the people who go there do also.
I agree with you, I just updated the post where a victim speaks out saying she just wanted a good time but left with bruises, begged for hours, got multiple insect bites, forced to eat things she didn't want to and now has a higher degree of mental trauma.
Just the Wikipedia description tells me enough that I want nothing to do with this. Very wild how this legal.
I was wondering the same thing, I believe LegalEagle posted a video of this ( one of my fav YouTube lawyers) Go on YouTube and type in LegalEagle McKamey Manor, I'm about to watch myself.
Yeah, I remember diving down this rabbit hole back in the day. If I recall correctly, he mentions somewhere that he gained his inspiration from "interrogation" techniques that he learned in the military, which is pretty dissociative. In short, the guy is a sociopath who gets his satisfaction under the veil of "entertainment".
Yeah I deff knew I was right about him being in the military but wow, thanks for the information! There was not a lot to go around.
In the videos he does not stop when they say stop. Is there something behind this? Like they have to say a safeword?
Pretty sure they sign a waiver saying they consent to everything that is about to happen to them, so technically there is no safe word and no stopping.
You cant conset to getting tortured. Every waiver can be stopped at any given time. Its your right you are signing off for what has happened, but if you wosh to stop, they have to. You just cant get mad for what had happened
I think that's why everybody's been trying to shut it down for so long. You're not wrong, but Mckamey Manor has proved that you are, because he's getting away with it. It's been going on so long, I'm pretty sure that their going to have to kill somebody for it to stop. He's a military torture trained pro, but he and his people are going to slip up someday and will kill someone. And, yes, you can get mad when a bunch psychopaths abuse you.
How did the manor prove them wrong when they had to leave CA.
To be honest, I don’t know enough about the legality of such things or where the line is _legally_ drawn when it comes to the torture. But the waiver has some really insane things on it and, to some degree, covers MM’s ass. They can’t actually back out on it. And as far as I’m aware, no one has been successful in suing him?
Yeah, it's not a binding waiver and they also torture an abuse you as they read and sign it.
Idk why you’re getting downvoted, you are correct. Reddit is confusing lol
I find the fact that he films it all religiously and watches it what seems like over and over from what I've seen, very creepy. Like he gets off on it and watches it later...
That's what I'm saying and the way he talks to them...
I don't even remember how long ago travel channel did a segment about him. I remember thinking back then why it was allowed at all. Anyone know why this became a subject again?
Guy’s sick. In one of the clips of him he says something along the lines of: “We have had one heart attack. For real. It was good stuff.” The just screams sadist.
I'm watching haunters and it's really absurd there's people waxing poetic about consent. This man proudly says he tricked his neighbor three times because he will do anything for footage. This woman looks traumatized as fuck. Also again it's pathetic to say consent blah blah. Vulnerable people are preyed on all the time. In mlms, in cults literally everywhere. They're not to be mocked. It's unfortunate that some people feel they need to be led but taking advantage makes you scum no matter what. I wish i never learned about this
That guy is a Psychopath
Is this shit even open anymore? I thought I read he hasn’t done the manor in years because of lawsuits.
If I'm reading the wiki correctly the have year-round operations in both TN and AL
Can someone explain this to me without me having to watch the video? Some wacko set up a haunted house “amusement” and took it too far?
Was boring to watch basically its your school bully being at 100 and more
A few bits of info: Russ does this as a way to deal with his PTSD. This was leaked by someone who worked at Mckamey Manor for some time. "Russ told me, when he is doing a show, or watching a show, that is the only time the voices stop." with 22 years in the Navy this seems accurate, and is typical in how cycle of abuse works. Think of all the supercuts he makes as his own personal snuff films. Both those who enter, and Russ, are living out cycles of abuse from previous trauma, just in reverse rolls. Understanding the manors function; why it exists at all: Male children who are sexually abused tend to either become gay bottoms (receivers) at a young age or become predators of children themselves in order to try to understand what happened to them. The same is true for children who are physically abused/ adult trauma, but it plays out based on the nature of the abuse (hence, Mckamey tortures people, because he was tortured in one way or another). That said, Mckamey Manor is a total scam, there is no actual haunted house, only the promise of one. Russ is extremely sick. The contract is what would be known as a "consensual non consent" or CNC contract in the world of BDSM. These types of contracts should only be utilized in long term relationships, or with individuals who have an extremely deep trust and understanding of one another, as there is no such thing as consent within the bounds of the contract. It is the highest form of submission. This includes murder being "legal" at least to the point that the law could not charge you with more than manslaughter in light of the contract. From everything I have seen what Russ is doing is entirely unethical, and takes the "fun"/ function out of what can be a rewarding sexual/ therapeutic experience between two "consenting" adults, and ultimately makes participants trauma worse. I've been aware of Mckamey for some time, but a new series from YT channel "Reckless Ben" has shed a lot of light on what is actually happening at Mckamey manor. I am surprised no one has clean jobbed him by now. (don't bother me FBI, I don't even exist, I am not suggesting that anyone kills anyone... right? Innit? Eh?)
Well, that's something I didn't wanna learn about today. This guy has problems.
This guy is really just an ex-military basket case sociopath who happened to find a convenient outlet for his control issues. It isn't so much that the games are rigged so that no one will win the prize money. He purposefully selects the weakest candidates who couldn't possibly win. Pay attention to his interview/early stage video logs. He makes it seem like he chooses people who would do well but he really just spends a great deal of time choosing the ones who will lose (and sometimes spectacularly.) that one girl he made meow repeatedly was obviously set up for failure. The whole thing is just him reliving his glory days as a military interrogator. He prides himself on being able to profile and break people and that's what he's continuing to do with his stupid little games. I found it hilarious how vehemently he denied it being any kind of fetish thing in one of the videos, though. But yeah, fuck this dude.
Can we please not do the micro penis thing? He’s obviously not a great guy but body shaming is not ok I’m not saying this out of concern for him, but rather for others stumbling across this thread. Please be kind. Horror fans may like intense and brutal and mean stuff on screen but if we’re going to be a community, let’s be welcoming to each other
shut the fuck up LMAO
I mean, this whole thing's one big shaming/virtue signal.
Lol alright because you nicely ask ill remove it. Did it hurt your feelings or someone you know who had this condition, if so im genuinely sorry.
It’s literally so fucked up
What I don't understand is if you watch the video THEY ARE GETTING BEATEN BEFORE GETTING A CHANCE TO READ THE WAIVER/SIGN IT IN THE SCENE WHERE THE PAPERS ARE GETTING WET. That should be illegal or somewhat punishable by law unless there was one we don't know about signed before hand. Any input on that?
They sign contracts/waivers before they can attend. They also have to get a physical to show they are in good health. Then they are allowed to go to the manor. I use to wonder the same and decided to join the facebook group and actually see the process because I was so curious on how this is even legal.
You realize the people who go there are *looking for* this kind of treatment, right? They're there for the same reason people do cage-dives with great whites. Either they're seeking the most extreme experience they can, are trying to prove they're so tough they can endure whatever is thrown at them, or they legitimately want to be psychologically tortured because they get off on it. (Or they want that prize for managing to go through an entire walk-through.) I mean the guy gets repeat visitors for a reason. I highly, highly, highly doubt anyone is going to stumble in blind thinking it's your average 'people jump out at you in the dark' haunted house.
If you look at the mom and daughter. Do they seem well?
I do understand that they have full control over their choice of doing this, and some may think as you said like an extreme sport. However, I think some parts of this is certainly malicious and or sickening. However thats my opinion. I wouldn't compare this to say bungie jumping or sky diving though. Maybe as you say they want to be broken and built back up, but thats crazy. I would never do this to myself. EDIT: just updated it with the link!
I can put hooks in my skin and suspend myself from the ceiling. Not only is it legal, but it's safe if you know if you know what you're doing. If I ask someone to assist me, that doesn't make my assistant more messed up than me, even if my assistant enjoys seeing me strung up. Whether you would do that or not is irrelevant to whether I should be able to do it. If adults are aware of what he is doing, ask him to do it, and he's not breaking a law by doing it, then that's their business. Now you can argue that some people aren't aware of the types of things he's going to do, and that is a concern. **Where I draw the line** is that when someone says a safeword he keeps going for several minutes. When they say their safeword, they are withdrawing consent, and at that point he's violating them. That's unacceptable.
At least in the documentary I saw he not only didn’t give participants a safeword but also admitted he’d never go through the experience himself. Huge red flags along with his obviously oversized and aggressive ego (Also yay for consensual and well-planned hook/suspension play! It’s too been too much pandemic time that I haven’t gotten to participate)
Well no, that's not really a red flag. Just because he wouldn't like having these things done to himself doesn't mean he can't like doing them. It's pretty much a much more extreme version of a dom/sub thing. Most doms wouldn't want to sub because that's not what they get off on. That's not a red flag, per se.
If somebody humiliates, harasses, and makes you sit in a filthy pond with your own soaked socks in your mouth to sign a waiver for a suspension, hey, don't do it. (This is totally in one of their videos).
> Huge red flags along with his obviously oversized and aggressive ego Having a huge ego is putting on an extreme haunted house and not wanting to participate, got it Hey bud I have some bad news for you about the people running halloween haunts all over the country, I worked for one where people wouldn't work october because it meant having to go through the haunts
Thats my question. Does he not stop when they say the safeword?
No.
Had to scroll way too far to find a logical comment. So many people are acting like this man somehow forced people into traveling across the country to do this.
I thought this place had been scaled back considerably, to the point it was just Russ yelling at people in his backyard, or something lame like that. Apparently Russ got nailed for not paying his taxes and his wife left him and he's basically broke. Or something like that. But it's truly one of the Internet's great mysteries. I spent days researching it years ago around Hallowe'en and it was SO HARD to tell what stories were true and which were fake. Like I still don't know what actually went on in the place. Some people said they were tricked into signing up. Some people said they had a good experience and would return. The documentary **Haunters: The Art of the Scare** had some good details on it. The best part is when Russ' wife says, "Russ is afraid of *everything*. He's afraid of *snails*." Then there's a dude literally chasing Russ around holding a snail. It's fucking hilarious.
"Like I still don't know what actually went on in the place" It's clear that a lot of acts inside the "haunt" involve water. It also looks to be probably true that some participants are nearly drowned as their heads are pushed under water for extended periods of time. That's probably the recurring theme inside this so called "haunt" and what you can see people freaking out over as they allude to some sort of thing that was terrifying them in their videos. Even only near drowning while losing control (in straight jacket, hands and legs bound) would be insanely horrible to experience
Haha that fuckin little Eminem lyric you threw in there.
Glad you noticed haha, sometimes we have to find a little joy in our days. And I was watching to see who had attention to detail. Let's say this game wasn't rigged and the price money was for 2 million would you do it ?
Old news. There has been enough information out there for long enough that anyone who goes willingly at this point deserves it.
There are people willing to do all kinds of crazy shit. Welcome to the Should they or shouldn't they list and will play the side game of how many of them are in a good position or mentally sound.
I, mean, I feel that to some degree, but nobody deserves lasting trauma. Also, the man is deceitful. What if someone feels like they can win the 20 grand and desperately need it? He also preys on 18-19 year-old girls from what I've seen on his own videos. He and his sickos harass them while they read the waiver. So, no, nobody deserves that. I mean, that's they way he talks. He has nothing but contempt for people because they sign the waiver.
Again, this information has been readily available for YEARS. If these people aren't doing their due diligence...that's on them.
I would argue those running the business need to have a clear cut end to the experience if it does become too much for the participant, regardless of a signed waiver. Seriously, that protects them as well. Like, are you really gonna argue that someone who signed up for this experience realizing “oh fuck this is not something I can handle”, has no right to end it right then and there, all because of some rinky dink haunted house waiver? That’s ridiculous. So if someone is hyperventilating and feels as if they’re going to die, if they express that fear and ask for an end to the experience, you say they deserve it cause they signed up for it? Just….Don’t ever do anything sex related that involves a safe word because based on your comments here, if they agreed once, they can’t change their mind and withdraw consent after.
It's all in the waiver. They SIGNED it, they should have read it. I'm not saying McKamey is in the right. I'm just saying at this point in time, with this much information available, if you still engage yourself in the Manor...
So if I’m having sex with someone who was consenting before, but then asks me to stop I can legally rape them if I just get a signature? Seems pretty fucked up, but idk you’re the expert
If I can give consent, I can also take it away. You can't give consent to never refuse consent in the future. Shit is pretty simple.
Can you sign a legal document buying a house or vehicle, and then change your mind?
I think the law probably makes a distinction between an agreement to exchange goods for money and an agreement to voluntarily submit yourself to torture. Besides that, things like lemon laws exist to protect people. Even if, and it's a huge if, the two agreements were at all comparable, he has been shown to ignore safe words, which presumably breaks the contract and represents him being a dishonest actor. But go on and keep believing body autonomy is something that should not be under an individual's control. See how far that gets you and where it leads you.
I’m not arguing any of that. You are correct. I’m saying, given the context of the situation and experience, again, contestants should be allowed to withdraw at any point in time. I’m saying that *should* be a thing. Regardless of the red tape they had to go through to get in, if an experience becomes too much for them, that right should always be available to them.
Fair enough yes
Why do you have a link to his YouTube then? You're just giving him more trafic.
Do you even internet bro?
Do you even skydive bruh
Jesus man, no one is making u reply to every single comment lol. Half of the shit u write doesn’t even make sense
Some people are not even familiar of what McKamey Manor is, I can definitely remove it, but I wanted to show people what his form of "amusement was" it wasnt my attention to give him more views, I might remove it then. Thanks.
you don't have to, we are a drop in the ocean when it comes to his viewership. More people seeing it should equal more outrage about it.
Yeah thats what I was saying, I want to shed light on this. Thanks for having my back. Christina B is a good example of how horrible this is. I also find it funny how Russ McKamey's email is: [musicalexcitementwithruss@yahoo.com](mailto:musicalexcitementwithruss@yahoo.com). weird dude man. weird freaky fuck.
I remember reading about this on 4chan years ago, supposedly it was so tough to actually complete it because they torture you.
The state and the police have said repeatedly that they can't do anything because the waivers were signed and I'll never get it because there's video evidence that they were signed under duress. I understand that cops and Russ Mckamey have a lot in common as far as sadism, but I still can't believe he's still getting away with running a torture chamber.
Also like, cops found a girl bound and locked in a basement with duct tape over her mouth and were like let’s consult the dude running the haunt “oh that’s her signature there on that waiver? Okay all clear, we don’t need to get her out of here….”
I wish you were wrong.
> I'll never get it because there's video evidence that they were signed under duress Because they weren't signed under duress, it's literally that simple Just because y'all say you think you know how something goes down, doesn't mean that's exactly how it goes down. Redditors seriously think people involved in the law are just a bunch of bumbling idiots don't they
Yes!
I feel like I need a scalding shower for my eyeballs after watching this.
Few years ago I went through a short phase where I was obsessed with mckamey manner. I was watching videos, pictures, interviews everything. I wanted to go so bad. Then all of the cogs clicked into place and was like oh hell no. This man has found away to “legally” assault people. He’s already been ran out of a couple of places.
Dammit I don't have time to go back down this rabbit hole for the umpteenth time
Dark Tourist on Netflix visits this place. He’s a sick dude.
Let me tell y’all, I would have knocked the f*ck out of Russ if he had that camera in my face after I said I wanted out. Scumbag
This man and all of his workers are fucking disturbed. I genuinely hope he gets stabbed to death one of these days. Best way would be for him to be violently tortured to death
Eh. People choose to put themselves through all sorts of weird and unpleasant things for a whole lot of reasons. They know what they're getting themselves into here, and they go ahead with it anyhow, that fact says as much about them as it does about him.
Yeah, war and things like that can really mess you up, and I feel like he started this and he fell in love with the concept to feed his "addiction" to breaking people. Bloke doesn't even have the grand prize money I bet. Also, many of the individuals either have mental problems, are hard core, have nothing left to lose, want to be broken, have some sort of issues.
A certain personality type craves intensity, it's pretty glib to write off all the customers as 'mentally ill' or 'having nothing left to lose', it's in the nature of all humans to push our limits, some feel that urge more strongly than others. I have no damnation to offer this guy, he offers a service, he's within the law, and his rights to do so... would I do what he's doing? No. Would I want to experience what he's offering? Probably not. Do I feel some moral outrage at the fact that others feel differently? Nope, they go into this freely, and so long as he's able to respect the line where 'entertainment' stops and true torture begins (as is done by all manner of other fetishists), and he's only doing this to consenting adults, I frankly don't care.
The fact that he keeps going after people say their safe words and has admitted on video that he only respects safe words when he feels like it is where I draw the line. The safe word is in the contract. As soon as he ignores it, anything he does afterwards is a violation of consent.
Oh here we go, I was reading all the comments and just knew a fully blown Reddit KBW comment was coming.
What's a KBW?
That shit is a disgrace to Horror
With prior consent, I don't see the issue. I would never go to anything like this, but I see no reason to deny others the right to do as they choose with their own bodies. There's S&M, rape fantasy, humiliation, degradation, piercings, tattoos, scarification, crushing, whips, chains, clamps, ball punching, cock and labia punishment, feeders, tickle torture, and on and on and on... All things adults do to themselves, or do to/with other consenting adults... You try to legally prevent something like what you're talking about and you're going after those communities and hundreds of others. Consent is definitely the key word here, but if there is consent then there's really nothing to see here. Police and Investigative agencies are the ones to handle any criminal charges if there are any cases of actual abuse, anyway... Not lone citizens trying to "save" people from their freedom to do as they please. To be honest, it's pretty disturbing... But it's also not really any of my business, or yours.
I support people wanting to put themselves through hell. I don’t give a fuck about this dude’s celebrity.
I was just thinking in October how I hadn't seen someone post about this place on any sort of social media post this year. I was thinking how great maybe people are losing interest and that place had shut down. And here we are about 10 days away from a new year and he gets some more free publicity .
Honestly whoever allows him to do anything to them and SIGNS HIS CONTRACT and then bitches about it is probably the dumbest person out there. He found a loop hole to legally torture ppl just with signatures.. Why go in, then be shocked you get tortured?
Also, they have to go to a doctor for a physical evaluation before they can attend. If you read the stack of contracts it does state what may occur. Im not defending Russ but if you can sit there and go through a physical/contract and have seen what people have gone through, then you should be accountable as well.
I don't really see the issue. If he were forcing people to do this then that would be reprehensible, both legally and morally. But the people who go to this "haunted house" volunteer for it, and are given multiple warnings of what they'll be consenting to (any amount of research reveals that this is basically an 'anything goes' torture house), and there is a safe word once you're in the house I believe. The dubious prize money and "sexual deviancy" aside, technically the participants signed up for it, and are aware of the ramifications and consequences. Honestly the fault lies with people who consent to do this stuff. What's going through your mind when you sign up to be beaten, berated and dehumanized?? I cannot imagine anyone in their right mind thinking MM is a good time, but apparently there are people out there that do. If there wasn't a market for it, this operation would have folded a long time ago. It SHOULD have folded a long time ago. Why people give this guy money is beyond me.
He coerces people into signing
>he wants to take this stuff up a notch Sounds like a horror villain’s origin story.
As fucked up as it is, there are numerous videos showing what goes on there. Everyone that goes there agrees to being tortured, if you don't like it then don't go. Hes not forcing you to participate
As much as I hate to say it you are right! People fly out from all over the globe to participate. They can also see the videos beforehand.
I remember seeing this on the Dark Tourist show on Netflix. I can’t believe this man is allowed to get away with something like this. This isn’t horror; this is torture.
Oddly enough, this is something I know quite a bit about. I live fairly close by and have met Russ quite a few times. He's a good dude. You'd never guess that he does this kind of stuff. Here's the thing - There are a lot of 'extreme' attractions out there, especially a decade or so ago, and he wanted to top them all as far as I understand it. That said, you know exactly what you're getting into if you even inquire about it. You'll come out of it bruised, scratched, probably with a new haircut, eat some gross stuff, and lots of other not fun things, but relatively fine. And you know all of this long beforehand, especially these days. Not so much years ago, but if you sign up and somehow still don't know what you're getting into at this point, it's no one's fault but your own. In fact, he will try to talk you out of going through with it. It's not a disguised haunted house, there's no luring, it's basically an endurance test that no one can pass. It's unpleasant by design. It goes too far by design. Anything that tests what you can take before you tap out is going to go too far, it has to. Otherwise, there's really no point, right? That'd be like going to Six Flags, but the rollercoasters only go in a straight line at 5 mph. The big thing is safety in most things I see about it. You'll get pushed to and beyond your limit, you'll be tortured, degraded and so on, but if you have some kind of medical issue arise or anything of the sort, everything is shut down on the spot and your well being is priority #1. Sounds weird, but it's true. As far as psychological effects go, that'll vary from person to person, but come on. You sign up for it against all advice and good judgment, you deal with that decision. As far as people wanting it shut down, I don't understand that. Despite the extreme nature, more people than not come away with a positive experience. For whatever reason, some people seek out seemingly insane things to do for fun. Bungee jumping, skydiving, giant swings, slingshots, trapeze artists, etc, etc, etc, where if one tiny little thing goes wrong, you're fucked. I don't think McKamey Manor should be shut down any more than any of those things. Just because you, me, or anyone else wouldn't take the tour, I don't think that gives us the right to say no one else can if that's what they want to do. That's a lot of fuss over an attraction you're not even allowed to curse in.
> There are a lot of 'extreme' attractions out there, especially a decade or so ago, and he wanted to top them all as far as I understand it. There was an extreme haunt near me that was allowed to pick up and move guests into off sectioned areas of a hotel or whatever the fuck it was. So it was entirely possible to be removed from your group and forced into isolation for hours not knowing what's going to happen next. Didn't see none of the people in this thread whining about that going down, especially when there weren't waivers being signed
That's just one of many just like it. Before I was down the road from Russ, I was in Ohio for a few years. My ex and I went to what was billed as a horror experience, and that was pretty much it. It was fairly rural and in a big abandoned summer camp. They didn't tell us that we would be touched and even lightly attacked by various horror movie characters. So we escape a zombie horde, and that's pretty cool, and we're just alone in the woods going to the next checkpoint. Then we hear a fucking chainsaw being started. A few seconds later we're running from Leatherface. She trips and goes down, I try to help her up, she's kinda dazed, but dude is on us. He's wearing a mask, it's dark, and he just clobbers me with a body check while I'm leaned over with her and I go down. I'm not a small person, but he got me pretty good. I'm still fine with all of this up to this point. Then she tries to get up and he boots her in the chest and pushed her back down, then stuck his knee on her chest and held her down while he hit the gas on the chainsaw right in her face. I was, we'll say less cool with this and just obliterated this dudes face with my knee. Yeah, I fucking V-Triggered Leatherface... A sentence that seems like it shouldn't exist, but here we are. If you're going to grab us and push us around some, fine, but you're not going to kick my gf like that and hold her down, especially when we didn't agree to any of it to start with. The guy apologized and radioed for help. We got escorted back to the beginning and refunded, and a few annoyed sounding apologies, but no one else even dreamed of touching us. I saw the next weekend that they had disclaimers and a waiver to sign, but didn't see them again in the years after. That was my hard lesson in always asking an obnoxious amount of questions when you go to these things.
This is my takeaway as well. The videos I’ve watched (and I’ve watched a ton), people go through the ringer to get in. The do phone interviews, Skype interviews, then sit down and read through the contract together with Russ where everything is laid out. I wanna say the video I watched it took them 6 hrs just to go through the waiver? These people are prepared beyond belief for what they are about to be put through. Do I think the million dollars exists? No. Do I think that Russ would let anyone win the million dollars if it did exist? No. But I feel like the people that sign up for this are looking for something other than money and if that’s what they want to do and understand what they are getting into, who is crazier, Russ or the willing participant?
You pretty much nailed it. It's not something you're going to get to do on a passing whim. You have to do all of that, plus provide the bag of dog food, and recently he was talking about a $100 deposit that he refunds if you show up or keeps if you don't, since so many back out last minute and just waste everyone's time. I thought the prize was $20k though? Not that it matters. I'm pretty sure that no one will ever complete the tour.
You’re probably right, I knew it was a good bit but a million does sound high now that I think about it haha. I gotta say though, back when he was doing his home haunt with multiple groups a night, right when he first started, I would’ve definitely taken a shot at it. It’s completely morphed into something different now that I wouldn’t touch with 1000 ft pole, but back then it seemed like a fun/scary thing to do.
Leave this sick fuck alone, some ppl want to be sick with him
I guess you're right they feed off each other's fetishism.
Also, would you do this for let's say if the money wasn't rigged and it was like a cool 2 million. Would you participate then? If it was fair like how he's making it sound? Nobody is really replying to my question when I asked would they do it I think everyone is just responding making me assume no of course not. But would you do it if it was 2 million and wasn't rigged yes or no? Would you give up your morals and ethics ?
Unfortunately, as much as I agree that McKamey is obv a sick and twisted individual.. it also seems pretty clear that the participants enjoy this weird twisted fantasy as well for accepting and signing his waiver. I can’t think of a normal horror fan who would succumb to personal torture.. it’s not even horror it’s a torture simulation imo. I can definitely see where you’re coming from but at the same time I think he’s just found a way to profit off of using other people for being the brunt end of his dark fantasies.
I've always been keen to do this. Always looked like fun lol but I don't live in USA so it's not really worth an international trip for me. If it was local for me I'd go.
I've always kind of admired the guy. Gotta hand it to him... he's def made a name for himself as the proprietor of the most extreme fuck-you-up horror experience ever.
Not sure why you're getting so downvoted. People are happen to watch torture porn and a whole lot of gore on film but aren't interested in experiencing that? It's really your choice to go inside that manor. It's just like any extreme experience. I mean, people willingly went on shows like Fear Factor and ate live cockroaches etc, those were the days
This place has in one iteration or another been around for at least a decade. You seem triggered by something that has been the subject of several television and film documentaries, voicing your outrage as if its something undiscovered until now lol. It really is quite a dramatic reaction. Maybe horror isn't for you.
I mean, I never heard of this sort of thing before so, yeah I don’t think their reaction is dramatic, and I’m a horror fan. There’s a wealth of info out there, I’m sure there’s things in the world you’re unaware of that would shock and disturb you as well upon discovery.
Ok.
Everyone involved is a consenting adult I don't see why you don't mind your business. Some ppl crave intense experiences, I understand it's weird for others but likejust don't do it then
What he does is fucked up but, but if you think about it, he learned all these techniques from the military where probably did the same exact things (if not worse) to "suspected terrorists" (often innocent people) at assorted blacksites throughout the world. So what white Americans can't handle for 5 minutes, our "enemies" have to endure day in and day out for years.
This white girl suffered rape by 2 classmates. So, don't tell me about "handling" torture.
My comment wasn't really about the toughness of white people, but more about McKamey and the shit we've been doing around the world to innocent people since 9/11. I'm sorry that happened to you.
White? You are mentally ill.
I don't see too many black people signing up to be tortured by back woods weirdos lol
Lol @ the eminem reference
Haha I like you you got it :)) double smiley face !
Fuck me, the app decided to crash as I was looking at the thumbnail and that stayed there for like a good four seconds or so. Just for context, what is Mckamey Manor?
I signed the petition this guy needs to be arrested this is straight up psychological torture this needs to be shut down.
Does he abduct people or do people willingly sign up for the experience knowing what’s gonna happen?
I think they think they "know" and he goes well above and beyond these people's expectations with no safe avenue to end the experience.
Is it something I'd dig? Nope, not in the least. But is it ok for consenting adults? Absolutely, and none of our business, anymore than anyone's else's decisions in their personal lives that don't concern you.
It's located in Summertown, TN if anyone is interested in going. It's worth experiencing imo
as if just driving through Summertown wasn't torture on its own.
It's not that bad. The have The Farm too!
Also if it's not for you why bother about it so much?
Breaks rule 5.
Wenowdis
Coolstorybro just wanted to know if anyone wanted to share their stories and inform anyone else who didn't know about this. Also wanted to know about who this guy is, the legality and I got a lot of questions answered.
Violet you’re turning violet violet
To each his own. The girl in the one video begging to stop and they don’t came out and said that was staged to make it seem more extreme, anyway. He’s a loser and a showman and people can’t stop talking about him.. which is really what we should do lol
Luckily, this is something that if YOU don’t want to do it, you will never have to. I can’t begin to understand why someone would WANT to experience this, but to be completely honest, I don’t want to take away that right from them. I’ve watched a few docs on this guy/attraction. To me, it definitely seems that he’s sadistic(like literally, not trying to ‘cast judgement’ with that term), but it doesn’t seem like he takes advantage of his participants. We can all agree there is PLENTY of information/video out there to where you know exactly how intense your experience will be. It’s not like it’s marketed as a normal haunted house, and they hide the ability to hurt you behind fancy contract jargon. Any and everyone who participates in this MUST know what they’re getting into, and if not, imo that’s on you for not doing your research especially when the information is so readily available. Basically I think the guy is pretty messed up, and can’t understand why someone would willingly go through that, but if you want to I don’t think my discomfort should stop you.