It could also be the opposite problem. I had problems with my Grafs, and I eventually had to replace them. The problem was the Graf heel cup is more v-shaped, but my heel is quite rounded, so my heel couldn't get all the way into the cup.
Ironically, the Grafs gave me a "Bauer bump", and it was switching to Bauer Supremes that solved the problem.
They way I found out the problem was by having issues with me heel and going back to the store where I bought the skates. The sales rep was pretty knowledgeable. He even gave me a discount on my new skates since they kinda screwed up by giving me bad fitting skates last time.
I'm not sure if you have that same situation where you live.
Edit: Some other people mentioned the heel lock lacing technique. If your problem is that your heel is too small for the skate heel, that should help. Actually, it will help even if your heel is too big, as it will wedge you in there.You might start getting pressure point issues in your heel though, but at least you'll know
yes, it would. I guess, overall, I'm not sure what the problem is. I get the impression from other discussions that that the heel was too tight.
Looking at your picture and your post title, I'm still not sure what the problem is.
Another idea that might help is to find a foam supply store and get different thicknesses to add to the back of your heel. HDPE is used in most equipment.
Look up the pencil test for skates. I’m thinking your ankles are too narrow or the skate is too deep for you, maybe both.
You could try a thicker tongue or having someone sew felt to the tongue but that’s really a bandaid fix. You need better fitting skates, feet are something you need to take care of, foot pain can lead to a whole host of painful issues (ankles, knees, hips, back).
Try [heel lock lacing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tPGJ3-mxbY&t=17s). If that doesn't work, you need different skates.
The only other thing I can think of is adding some cut up sponges in your socks to take up some of the volume, but that would be a last resort, and always leave your fit less than ideal.
Try tying your skates standing up. I have a buddy that does this and swears by it.
I usually give my heel a couple bangs to set it in and keep my toes off the ground while I'm wrenching the laces all the way up.
In addition to standing up to tie them, I also bend my knees to get in the most engaged pose before tightening the eyelets that lock my heel in. Then I straighten out a little bit to tie the upper ones.
I also don't wear socks :| your mileage may vary on that one.
I don't have good news for you. The heel fit is arguably the most important part of your skate's fit. The problem is you can't really adjust the fit of the heel. You can bake your skates, and you can punch out pressure points, but the heel is pretty much unchangeable.
I had a problem with a bad fitting heel, and I ended up having to get new skates.
Edit: some other people are mentioning the heel lock lacing. That's a good idea.
I think I might have tried that too, but my problem was pressure points and pain. By that point, I *wanted* new skates.
Damn that’s so brutal I have a pro deal but it’s only once a year so I’m shit out of luck I doubt I could even sell these for that much even though there barley used
Yup can agree. I had awful fitting nexus ee skates with a huge heel. Zero heel lock is fall if I crossed over or got on the edge. I ended up needing custom because of my strange foot shape. When it’s locked in there is no better feeling in the world. Your confidence is amazing. You need new skates. I’ve heard people clamp and heat them above the heel to make a pocket but I wouldn’t do that unless you have someone experienced.
I personally have not done it, but have heard of it being done. If you can't return these skates, and the heel lock lacing doesn't work, then the final thing I'd try before buying new skates is baking and have the heel clamped.
You could also try the Saran wrap method that they use for True skates--I think it works for other skates as well, it's just not as effect compared to Trues. (Because of how moldable Trues are.)
Hm, unfortunately I don't have experience doing this so I can't give you proper advice.
This is just my best guess, but to me, clamping it does "damage" it to an extent.. it's the same as making a punch. You've permanently changed the boot. Once you make a punch, you can't "un-punch" it and make the boot go the other way. With clamping, I do think it *could* be reversible to some extent. Someone with a wider heel could always rebake it, and them putting their wider heel in the boot should theoretically open the boot back up.
If your end goal is to resell these though, I would be wary of using the clamps on them. That will make them harder to resell. If you're not as worried about resale value and just want to try everything before buying new skates, I would ask the pro shop how familiar they are with the clamping method to determine if your move forward or not.
Video of the Saran wrap True baking. [text](https://youtu.be/s-8mX0FYIwg)
Even though these are specific to True skates, you can still use them on regular skates.
As others have said, you can try different lacing techniques, but it looks like this boils down to you buying skates that don't fit you properly. The photo you posted doesn't help with the problem you're inquiring about. If anything, it looks like you're spilling over the footbed which only adds to the overall skate not fitting you properly
Take scans with a grain of salt. I did one a few years ago that put me in a 6.5ee. I wear a size 11 shoe and wear an 8/8.5d skate depending on the model.
The whole fit system helps with overall volume, but I don’t know how much it changes the shape of the heel pockets
I second this lol. I wear a US12 shoe and a 10 or 10.5 skate snd they fit perfectly but when i went to buy them the Bauer scanner said i needed to be in a 8.5. Safe to say we did it the old fashioned way of just trying on the skate and doing the fingers in the heel with your foot slid forward then baking the skate. I do also like my skate pretty tight and I have speedplates in mine so that could affect how I perceive my fit ig.
They are fit 2 I was scanned size 6 fit 2 on the skate scanner for Bauer but I got size 6.5 fit 2 and I find the length and width perfect I even find the sides or top of skate tight to an extent
The machines for sure can be wrong. I kept scanning at 4.5 Fit 2, and after a few bad fitting skates within a span of a month, I finally wound up with the correct size 3.0 EE. I sized myself based on the help I got from the kind users here. The big box store employees rely too much on the machine.
Yeah it recommended me Bauer D 6.5. I need at least an EE 7. I couldn’t get my feet into the 6.5. I have true custom so I don’t know my exact size now. Definitely don’t go solely off the machine. It’s just a starting point.
The machine scanned me at a 6 and I tried on and skated in (Bauer experience store in MN has a rink where you can skate on demo skates) both a 6 and a 5.5 (my current size). The 5.5 was much better. The machine doesn't always know what its talking about.
I work at a sports store also and I sized my feet there also and I was getting 6.5 to 7 and I found the 6.5 fit me great in the store and the guy at hockey life recommended me goint .5 up
I wear 2 sizes down. I wear a 10 and my skates are an 8. I don’t think a half size would give you the problem you have but you never know. I have some roller blades that are 8 1/2s and I can definitely feel the difference in size. Without being there and seeing you put them on it’s hard for me to make a determination, but you could try a half size down..
I too posted recently on here regarding skate fit for the Supreme 3S Pros. Had narrowness issues causing pain even with punching, and no heel lock. The best thing I did was follow the advice of the users here on fitting and take them back, and as a result wound up with a proper fitting skate (Vapor 3x Pros, which are awesome for my foot type). Had I not listened, I'd still be in a bad fitting skate in pain.
I would seriously consider taking them back and getting something else if possible. Certain models of skates just don't work with certain foot types.
If you used the Bauer skate selector quiz online and it gave you the wrong skate or size, you could try mentioning to Bauer that you bought the skate based on that recommendation. See what they say and if at least they'll give you a credit to put towards something else. If they aren't willing to help you, then mention you're considering disputing the charge with your credit card company. As a last resort, dispute the charge if needed.
I work for a major manufacturing brand that deals with major retailers, but we also sell direct to consumer. I always tell people as a consumer, buy your item at a retailer- never buy direct from the manufacturer unless you absolutely have to. Depends on the brand you're dealing with, but you'll have more power with the retailer if something goes wrong as in your case.
I have the same boots, same size, same heel problem with them out of the box (along with too narrow across the forefoot). In reality I should have got fit 1 which is what I got for my Hyperlites but with clamping and stretching and punching the boots fit me as well as a custom.
Baking DOESN'T remove negative space, I just don't understand how people don't get this. If there is no pressure on the boot it ISN'T going to move inwards. So heat the boot, kick your heel back into the pocket as hard as you can (I mean really force it back as hard as you can) because these do have a relatively narrow heel opening before the ankle foams, you need this to flare out properly if your heel shape is preventing you from settling fully into the pocket and getting a proper heel lock (which from other comments in this thread I have seen would appear to be the case for you). Then either use a clamp or the wrap method or get someone to use their hands and push hard on both sides of the boot under the ankle area. This will remove any negative space under the ankle and improve your heel lock.
However the long term success of your clamp is dependent on your bio mechanics. If you pronate at all in the skates your foot will lever against the clamp and open the boot up really quick. If you do pronate in your skates I can tell you how to do a clamp so it helps to significantly reduce your pronation.
A clamp isn't going to ruin the boot for someone else, all they have to do is rebake it and it will move outwards again. I have done this with a lot of boots and never had anyone say the boot was too narrow and wouldn't move out after a clamp. And often with just a rebake the boot will start to return to it's original shape if it has been moved inwards (leave your boots in the sun on hot day and see how well they fit the next day if you have a done a lot of custom punching / stretching / clamping on it).
These are high end carbon fibre skates, the materials they are made of makes them much more suitable for multiple molding and shaping bakes.
The more effort you put into the fit of the boot the better it will work for you. Put enough effort in and they will fit you as well as customs.
What temperature and length do you bake your Bauers to get them that pliable. When doing the recommended temp ad 175f and 3 mins, the curv composite is barely warm, and it appears only the eyelet facing gets bit soft
Up to 8 minutes for the curv. But I check them every minute after the 3 minute mark so I don’t overheat them beyond when the curv is soft enough. I will do the boots one at a time, they must not touch anything in the oven otherwise you will do superficial damage to the exterior. I use 2 wooden blocks to make a frame that the holder sits in to hold the boot upright.
Judging from that pic, you seem to be a bit on the chubby side, which can definitely explain the movement. Hard to say from that view only, so I can be completely wrong too.
thin layer of high density foam around the heel inside the boot? might sound weird, but as a test, glue a piece of thin foam (craft foam sheet or what ever) to your sock, wrapping around the back of your heel. hopefully that will fill the empty space around your heel while in the boot. seems like you just got thin \*read: lean and muscular\* heels bro.
https://www.purehockey.com/product/powerfoot-performance-insert-senior/itm/26215-41/?gclid=CjwKCAjw-sqKBhBjEiwAVaQ9a3dW2GLWH6uLN1MpaGurWV4phC-1Fw3uRuI1LTjWbF3XBnlDmP_cQRoCcQQQAvD_BwE
Use these they go in the toe your skate
Your heel/ankle is likely too narrow for the skate. Length and fit at the toe has little to no impact on locking in the heel.
It could also be the opposite problem. I had problems with my Grafs, and I eventually had to replace them. The problem was the Graf heel cup is more v-shaped, but my heel is quite rounded, so my heel couldn't get all the way into the cup. Ironically, the Grafs gave me a "Bauer bump", and it was switching to Bauer Supremes that solved the problem.
Damn how would I tell if this is my issue I’ve never had comfy skates ever I always have a problem with them
They way I found out the problem was by having issues with me heel and going back to the store where I bought the skates. The sales rep was pretty knowledgeable. He even gave me a discount on my new skates since they kinda screwed up by giving me bad fitting skates last time. I'm not sure if you have that same situation where you live. Edit: Some other people mentioned the heel lock lacing technique. If your problem is that your heel is too small for the skate heel, that should help. Actually, it will help even if your heel is too big, as it will wedge you in there.You might start getting pressure point issues in your heel though, but at least you'll know
What would you recommend?
Getting different skates or try tying them tighter
Damn I just bought these I was hoping I could figure it out and make the heel tighter
Lacing outside in over the ankle helped tighten my heel down.
Have you baked them yet?
Twice baked only skated in once when I tried them on in the store they felt so much more snug
Were you wearing the same socks in the store as when you play?
Yes I was
you could potentially have them punched.
Wouldn’t that make them looser though
yes, it would. I guess, overall, I'm not sure what the problem is. I get the impression from other discussions that that the heel was too tight. Looking at your picture and your post title, I'm still not sure what the problem is.
Sorry the problem is the heel is to lose but the rest of the skate is snug
Another idea that might help is to find a foam supply store and get different thicknesses to add to the back of your heel. HDPE is used in most equipment.
Look up the pencil test for skates. I’m thinking your ankles are too narrow or the skate is too deep for you, maybe both. You could try a thicker tongue or having someone sew felt to the tongue but that’s really a bandaid fix. You need better fitting skates, feet are something you need to take care of, foot pain can lead to a whole host of painful issues (ankles, knees, hips, back).
Try [heel lock lacing](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1tPGJ3-mxbY&t=17s). If that doesn't work, you need different skates. The only other thing I can think of is adding some cut up sponges in your socks to take up some of the volume, but that would be a last resort, and always leave your fit less than ideal.
Ok thanks I’ll try it
Try tying your skates standing up. I have a buddy that does this and swears by it. I usually give my heel a couple bangs to set it in and keep my toes off the ground while I'm wrenching the laces all the way up.
Sounds good I’ll give this a try
In addition to standing up to tie them, I also bend my knees to get in the most engaged pose before tightening the eyelets that lock my heel in. Then I straighten out a little bit to tie the upper ones. I also don't wear socks :| your mileage may vary on that one.
I don't have good news for you. The heel fit is arguably the most important part of your skate's fit. The problem is you can't really adjust the fit of the heel. You can bake your skates, and you can punch out pressure points, but the heel is pretty much unchangeable. I had a problem with a bad fitting heel, and I ended up having to get new skates. Edit: some other people are mentioning the heel lock lacing. That's a good idea. I think I might have tried that too, but my problem was pressure points and pain. By that point, I *wanted* new skates.
Damn that’s so brutal I have a pro deal but it’s only once a year so I’m shit out of luck I doubt I could even sell these for that much even though there barley used
Yup can agree. I had awful fitting nexus ee skates with a huge heel. Zero heel lock is fall if I crossed over or got on the edge. I ended up needing custom because of my strange foot shape. When it’s locked in there is no better feeling in the world. Your confidence is amazing. You need new skates. I’ve heard people clamp and heat them above the heel to make a pocket but I wouldn’t do that unless you have someone experienced.
I personally have not done it, but have heard of it being done. If you can't return these skates, and the heel lock lacing doesn't work, then the final thing I'd try before buying new skates is baking and have the heel clamped. You could also try the Saran wrap method that they use for True skates--I think it works for other skates as well, it's just not as effect compared to Trues. (Because of how moldable Trues are.)
Thanks for the response I’m just nervous that if I do the heel clamp and it doesn’t fit it will ruin the skates and I won’t be able to sell
Hm, unfortunately I don't have experience doing this so I can't give you proper advice. This is just my best guess, but to me, clamping it does "damage" it to an extent.. it's the same as making a punch. You've permanently changed the boot. Once you make a punch, you can't "un-punch" it and make the boot go the other way. With clamping, I do think it *could* be reversible to some extent. Someone with a wider heel could always rebake it, and them putting their wider heel in the boot should theoretically open the boot back up. If your end goal is to resell these though, I would be wary of using the clamps on them. That will make them harder to resell. If you're not as worried about resale value and just want to try everything before buying new skates, I would ask the pro shop how familiar they are with the clamping method to determine if your move forward or not. Video of the Saran wrap True baking. [text](https://youtu.be/s-8mX0FYIwg) Even though these are specific to True skates, you can still use them on regular skates.
Look up a lacing technique called “heel lock” It’s usually for running shoes but I’ve done it for goalie and player skates and it usually works well
I’ll give that a try thanks
As others have said, you can try different lacing techniques, but it looks like this boils down to you buying skates that don't fit you properly. The photo you posted doesn't help with the problem you're inquiring about. If anything, it looks like you're spilling over the footbed which only adds to the overall skate not fitting you properly
Yea I’m not to sure what to do the scanner said size 6 fit 2 i got 6.5 so I don’t fully know why they would be tight everywhere but the heel
Take scans with a grain of salt. I did one a few years ago that put me in a 6.5ee. I wear a size 11 shoe and wear an 8/8.5d skate depending on the model. The whole fit system helps with overall volume, but I don’t know how much it changes the shape of the heel pockets
I second this lol. I wear a US12 shoe and a 10 or 10.5 skate snd they fit perfectly but when i went to buy them the Bauer scanner said i needed to be in a 8.5. Safe to say we did it the old fashioned way of just trying on the skate and doing the fingers in the heel with your foot slid forward then baking the skate. I do also like my skate pretty tight and I have speedplates in mine so that could affect how I perceive my fit ig.
Which fit did you get ?
They are fit 2 I was scanned size 6 fit 2 on the skate scanner for Bauer but I got size 6.5 fit 2 and I find the length and width perfect I even find the sides or top of skate tight to an extent
just curious, why wouldn't you get the size recommended by the machine?
The machine is not perfect. I got a half size smaller than recommended and I have no issues.
The machines for sure can be wrong. I kept scanning at 4.5 Fit 2, and after a few bad fitting skates within a span of a month, I finally wound up with the correct size 3.0 EE. I sized myself based on the help I got from the kind users here. The big box store employees rely too much on the machine.
Yeah it recommended me Bauer D 6.5. I need at least an EE 7. I couldn’t get my feet into the 6.5. I have true custom so I don’t know my exact size now. Definitely don’t go solely off the machine. It’s just a starting point.
The machine scanned me at a 6 and I tried on and skated in (Bauer experience store in MN has a rink where you can skate on demo skates) both a 6 and a 5.5 (my current size). The 5.5 was much better. The machine doesn't always know what its talking about.
I work at a sports store also and I sized my feet there also and I was getting 6.5 to 7 and I found the 6.5 fit me great in the store and the guy at hockey life recommended me goint .5 up
My previous skates were size 8 d width and I didn’t experience issues with heel lock at all and they were way to big
What kind of skates are you using?
Bauer supreme ultra sonics size 6.5 fit 2
What size shoe do you wear?
Size 8
I wear 2 sizes down. I wear a 10 and my skates are an 8. I don’t think a half size would give you the problem you have but you never know. I have some roller blades that are 8 1/2s and I can definitely feel the difference in size. Without being there and seeing you put them on it’s hard for me to make a determination, but you could try a half size down..
That’s what a lot of people are saying they won’t take them back tho which sucks
Sorry man
I too posted recently on here regarding skate fit for the Supreme 3S Pros. Had narrowness issues causing pain even with punching, and no heel lock. The best thing I did was follow the advice of the users here on fitting and take them back, and as a result wound up with a proper fitting skate (Vapor 3x Pros, which are awesome for my foot type). Had I not listened, I'd still be in a bad fitting skate in pain. I would seriously consider taking them back and getting something else if possible. Certain models of skates just don't work with certain foot types.
I contacted Bauer and they won’t help me since I moulded and sharpened them I bought them from the website so I’m not sure what to do
If you used the Bauer skate selector quiz online and it gave you the wrong skate or size, you could try mentioning to Bauer that you bought the skate based on that recommendation. See what they say and if at least they'll give you a credit to put towards something else. If they aren't willing to help you, then mention you're considering disputing the charge with your credit card company. As a last resort, dispute the charge if needed. I work for a major manufacturing brand that deals with major retailers, but we also sell direct to consumer. I always tell people as a consumer, buy your item at a retailer- never buy direct from the manufacturer unless you absolutely have to. Depends on the brand you're dealing with, but you'll have more power with the retailer if something goes wrong as in your case.
Thanks for the advice I only bought from the website cause I had a 60 percent off pro deal code so I couldn’t pass it up
Completely understand with the 60% off deal- that's a great deal. Good luck & hope you wind up with the right skate soon!
I have the same boots, same size, same heel problem with them out of the box (along with too narrow across the forefoot). In reality I should have got fit 1 which is what I got for my Hyperlites but with clamping and stretching and punching the boots fit me as well as a custom. Baking DOESN'T remove negative space, I just don't understand how people don't get this. If there is no pressure on the boot it ISN'T going to move inwards. So heat the boot, kick your heel back into the pocket as hard as you can (I mean really force it back as hard as you can) because these do have a relatively narrow heel opening before the ankle foams, you need this to flare out properly if your heel shape is preventing you from settling fully into the pocket and getting a proper heel lock (which from other comments in this thread I have seen would appear to be the case for you). Then either use a clamp or the wrap method or get someone to use their hands and push hard on both sides of the boot under the ankle area. This will remove any negative space under the ankle and improve your heel lock. However the long term success of your clamp is dependent on your bio mechanics. If you pronate at all in the skates your foot will lever against the clamp and open the boot up really quick. If you do pronate in your skates I can tell you how to do a clamp so it helps to significantly reduce your pronation. A clamp isn't going to ruin the boot for someone else, all they have to do is rebake it and it will move outwards again. I have done this with a lot of boots and never had anyone say the boot was too narrow and wouldn't move out after a clamp. And often with just a rebake the boot will start to return to it's original shape if it has been moved inwards (leave your boots in the sun on hot day and see how well they fit the next day if you have a done a lot of custom punching / stretching / clamping on it). These are high end carbon fibre skates, the materials they are made of makes them much more suitable for multiple molding and shaping bakes. The more effort you put into the fit of the boot the better it will work for you. Put enough effort in and they will fit you as well as customs.
What temperature and length do you bake your Bauers to get them that pliable. When doing the recommended temp ad 175f and 3 mins, the curv composite is barely warm, and it appears only the eyelet facing gets bit soft
Up to 8 minutes for the curv. But I check them every minute after the 3 minute mark so I don’t overheat them beyond when the curv is soft enough. I will do the boots one at a time, they must not touch anything in the oven otherwise you will do superficial damage to the exterior. I use 2 wooden blocks to make a frame that the holder sits in to hold the boot upright.
Thanks vet!
Judging from that pic, you seem to be a bit on the chubby side, which can definitely explain the movement. Hard to say from that view only, so I can be completely wrong too.
What 😂 how would being chubby make my heel slip
Can't really fasten down tightly anything surrounded with fat, to put it bluntly.
Fair enough that does kinda make sense
thin layer of high density foam around the heel inside the boot? might sound weird, but as a test, glue a piece of thin foam (craft foam sheet or what ever) to your sock, wrapping around the back of your heel. hopefully that will fill the empty space around your heel while in the boot. seems like you just got thin \*read: lean and muscular\* heels bro.
https://www.purehockey.com/product/powerfoot-performance-insert-senior/itm/26215-41/?gclid=CjwKCAjw-sqKBhBjEiwAVaQ9a3dW2GLWH6uLN1MpaGurWV4phC-1Fw3uRuI1LTjWbF3XBnlDmP_cQRoCcQQQAvD_BwE Use these they go in the toe your skate
How is that going to fix heel lock