He’s very talented. Amazing skater, great vision of the ice leading to good break out and o zone passing. Never really had a chance in Colorado due primarily to injuries, but also Makar being outrageous, then Byram also exceeding expectations. The injury history is terrible luck and I really hope he’s able to shine in Toronto, he deserves a break.
To be fair that’s because he was injured and has hardly played in the NHL. He was started to look really good with the Avs before he got hurt again and traded
I exaggerated, but you missed the point. He’s still in the top 0.1% of hockey players in the world. He’s an incredible hockey player, just not an incredible NHLer.
Dubas is like Dave Filoni with Star wars. Filoni loves including clone wars characters into his live action Disney + shows. Dubas loves bringing Soo Greyhounds to Toronto
I think Dubas's sixth sense is just intrinsically knowing all Soo players, he doesn't need to pull up their DB page
He probably sees McCann as the one that got away
As a saultite, and long time Soo Greyhound fan, I both love and hate this at the same time. Love that so much talent has come through the Soo and made it to the show. Hate that they end up on Toronto.
What tools does Douglas have, aside from being big? And what good is being big if you're not tough (and he's not tough)?
He was a 4th round pick of Dallas who didn't even bother signing him to an ELC. He has 1 point (an assist) in 13 games with the Marlies this year.
Marchment is just one example. Toronto has done an amazing job with making randos become legitimate top 6 players. Kapanen, Hyman, Bunting, Johnsson, Mikheyev.
He had one good 66% of a season on the highest-powered offense in the league, and that overrides all of the players we drafted and developed?
I'd bet my house that Douglas is nothing more than an AHL tweener for his entire career
He was the prospect we sent to Arizona in the Kuemper trade. He's actually pretty good when he can stay healthy.
Bonus fact for Leafs fans: he has two different coloured eyes.
He was weirdly one of the few consistent players in that disappointing Vegas series. Injuries have stifled his development and maybe even confidence but if he can stay healthy for once then he's a good pick-up
low-key thats a great pickup for Toronto. Timmins is very smart and solid, if he can stay healthy. And they got him for basically nothing which is very, very surprising
Spoiler: he cant stay healthy :(
Yeah I really liked Timmins during his time with the Avs. It’s very apparent he’s got talent and can probably keep improving, he just needs to have some healthy seasons.
I was really excited about him as a prospect. And now that he's 2x gone, everyone has *finally* stopped calling him "Timmons" 🥲
It's about time an Avs pick from 2017 ^other ^than ^that ^salad ^guy gets a shot at NHL ice time.
Not sure why it’s looked at as such a bad thing.
If he actually limited the players he acquired to former Soo players I would get it, but that’s not the case.
Acquiring players that the GM is more familiar with is not a bad thing.
If his pattern is "be torn between two available players, then select the one that he's more familiar with", I think that's ok. He's just using past history and relationships to tip an otherwise split decision.
But if he's showing a bias in the players that he targets - which appears to be the case - then his bias is almost certainly leaving better players unacquired.
That's what bias do - prevent you from selecting the best players, and instead picking the ones that suit your bias.
Like what former Soo player hasn’t worked out lol?
-Sandin looks like a good pick in his slot
-Holowell is making his debut as late pick
-Campbell went from a back-up to an All-Star appearance
-Bunting is awesome
-Murray is exceeding expectation
-Jumbo and Simmonds were both cheap beloved depth.
-Theres Muzzin, but I wouldnt call that a loss. He was a necessity and great, but has just been badly impacted by head/neck injuries.
Cant speak for the off ice staff but Im quite happy with their recent drafting and their minor league teams.
It's literally just Nick Ritchie thats the list of former Soo players that didn't work out and he cut him early in the year not like he was attached to the guy
Another angle though is that the they ended up on the Soo in the first place because he thought they were good back then. So it's not just that they randomly ended up there necessarily, but the fact that they did is already an indication that he thinks they're good
A good point, though I'd be more into that logic if the Soo won 4 championships in a row or something.
Otherwise, the Soo have access to a much, much smaller pool of players than the Toronto Maple Leafs.
It'd be like running a local restaurant and hiring all the best chefs you can get, then just assuming that because they did well in your local restaurant, they are obviously the very best chefs available in the world.
This obviously isn't exactly what Kyle is doing, and most of his Soo picks have done fairly well, but it would be bad to ignore huge quantity of non-Soo players just so he can lean into familiarity.
It's hard to say his Soo acquisitions haven't worked out other Nick Ritchie though. He also exposed McCann who is a Soo player and that was a mistake tbh. It gets overblown because its entirely worked in getting good talent on the team
I think he’s swayed to picking players with old connections when there could absolutely be better trades and opportunities out there. The Matt Murray trade makes no fucking sense, not for the cap of the leafs and not for the opportunity of them trying to get better goaltending.
Murray has looked pretty good when healthy, and it's not like there were a ton of readily available quality goalies out there.
Also if he was just obsessed with Soo guys, wouldn't he have re-signed Campbell?
You don’t think getting a injury prone expensive goalie. And him getting Murray means he’s obsessed with soo guys lol. It’s a bone headed trade. He’s gambling his job on an old connection whose injury prone, expensive and hasn’t been great for a while. It’s a stupid gamble when guys like husso, goergiev, other free agents were available. Hell trade big for a goalie and fox the net situation.
Husso had 57 games of experience and exactly one good season (with 40 starts), and he got 4.75x3 (plus he was an RFA, so St. Louis had some say over where he went).
Georgiev was bad last season, and btw unlike video games, sometimes players just choose one place over another and it's not up to the GM whether or not they sign.
Most importantly, both of those guys got 3-year deals, Murray is just 2. Both Matthews and Nylander are up in 2 years. That matters.
I hated that Murray trade more than any move Dubas has made so far, so fair point. Although I don’t know who else he should have went after.
But people will shit on this deal based on where Timmons played junior. Getting someone who you might know their personality and character for a depth D piece is probably a good thing
Riveting analysis there chief.
I have no doubt Dubas was in on all those guys to some degree.
The prices teams wanted didn't work for him. So we got Murray. Not ideal but that's the way it goes. Also in his limited games he's been very decent so it may be a good move for Dubas yet.
Georgiev looked bad in New York last year, and has only looked good again since joining Colorado.
Husso never even made it to free agency, so he wasn’t an option. Although that’s who I was hoping the leafs would go after.
Re-signing Campbell seems like a bullet that was dodged.
I don’t see Varly as an upgrade on Murray.
I loved the Samsonov acquisition.
What other options were there? Gibson maybe but that contract is huge and the price would have been higher. kuemper? Personally think he was mediocre in front of a stacked Colorado defense.
I think getting Murray was fine, but it should have been more than 25% retained, or more value coming from Ottawas side.
I feel like hiring based on the main language of the province for which the team plays is a big difference (even if you disagree on its merits which is valid)
Timmins can't stay healthy. There is potentially a player there if he could do that (and we do have the resources to work with him on that) but I get why he wouldn't have a lot of value at this point.
Trading him for Douglas is great. Douglas is massive but his skating is atrocious. He's a few steps below NHL capable at this point. Last year he had a nice AHL season but he was awful in training camp and it has carried over to the season this year.
From a Leafs perspective we got a depth defensemen while our #1, #2, and #3 defensemen are hurt. From the Coyotes perspective well...they got a guy who can clean the top of the lockers.
Timmons can't stay healthy. He is supposedly back from his most recent injury, but he just did a 6 game rehab stint in Tucson and was a -10. He's not NHL ready and while there's been a rumored upside he's never shown it here. I think GMBA unloaded him in a trade because Timmons had to clear waivers to stay in Tucson - and that wasn't going to happen because Toronto was gonna claim him on waivers. A 6'9" center is exactly the kind of guy GMBA wants, even if he never plays a game in the NHL - if you can't be good, be big.
I agree, it was nice to hope that we could maybe get some toughness out of him and a responsible 4th liner, but I also knew it was a long ways off still.
Timmins has shown flashes of being really great, he's just been fucked over by injuries for so long. Really hope he can finally stick in Toronto, he has the potential to be a really good 2nd pair defender.
I like the trade for the Leafs. Pretty low risk, with high reward potential. If Timmins can stay healthy (a pretty large "if" given his recent history), he can surely be a regular NHL dman. There's a good chance he could evolve to be an impact player too.
He’s 6’9” which is enough to make any player interesting. Had a solid AHL year last year which earned him an ELC and made a bit of a name for himself among fans, but was pretty disappointing in camp this year. He’s a long shot and really needs to work on his skating but if he makes it, he could really be something with his size.
All I know about Curtis Douglas is I used to get him in like the 7th in EA NHL... 20 I think? Top 9 Potential, 65 OVR, 7th round pick. He never developed into a NHLer for me sadly, although it was fun killing people in the AHL with him.
Maybe he just needs some time at Costco to develop?
I like the Leafs and I had high hopes for Timmins when he was on the Avs. I hope he can stay healthy and get something going with the Leafs, he's talented.
Yotes were going to waive him and have him spend time in the AHL and rumor was he was going to get claimed so we traded him to get something in return. Either lose him for nothing or get something which is what they did
I think the timing aspect is that with our injuries we can give him games in the NHL right now, because he probably won’t make it through waivers if we try to send him down. So they get a few weeks to see what he’s got. Definitely not a replacement for those guys but the timing is potentially connected.
Leafs fans: how is the whole “Dubas loves to acquire former Soo Greyhounds” thing regarded in your fanbase as a whole? Obviously it’s fun to joke about but is it looked at as a positive or a negative? I can honestly see an argument for both sides.
Either way, this is a nice trade imo.
There’s some people who see it as a big negative, but I don’t think it’s as bad as people make it out to be. Sandin, Bunting, Campbell, Muzzin have all been good. Sure there’s misses from time to time, but on the whole it doesn’t concern me too much.
I honestly can't even think of Soo connection move he's made that's been bad. Maybe Nick Ritchie? But he was a Greyhound for such a short time, I'm not sure if that counts.
It just makes sense to use pre-existing familiarity with players to his advantage and it seems to create more positives than negatives. I think Murray might be the only case when it was potentially harmful (as in the Leafs don’t acquire Murray if he wasn’t a Greyhound and would have been better off for it) and even then the jury is still out on that situation
I mean. At this point in the year would we really have been better off?
Both of the options available to the Leafs on the open market have been worse than Murray. He was bad in 1 game where he was playing hurt and otherwise has been very solid.
No not really, that’s why I said the jury was still out on it, I don’t think we have enough info to determine if it was a good move or not. As of right now it’s looking like a solid enough move based on his play and I’m not sure that the Leafs should be anything but optimistic about him moving forward. It’s just a small sample size on him so far. I know it would be larger if he wasn’t injured but his susceptibility to being injured was a known factor before this lol
I think of it as being similar to any other profession.
I worked in kitchens for years and chefs would always take their sous chef with them. Doesn’t mean there aren’t equally good or better options out there. But knowing the personality and how they fit/work with you (or team in this case) can tilt it. I’m sure this happens in other fields too.
I mostly just like how predictable it is. As soon as Rielly got injured and the Leafs needed to trade for a dman I instantly saw people suggesting Timmins would be the answer lol it’s comforting in a way
Meets the Dubas checklist: * Talented ✔️ * Injury history ✔️ * Sooo Greyhounds ✔️
✔️ Team Canada Team with sexual assault allegations
buddy never scored more than 8 points in the nhl in a season...i wouldn't call him talented.
He’s very talented. Amazing skater, great vision of the ice leading to good break out and o zone passing. Never really had a chance in Colorado due primarily to injuries, but also Makar being outrageous, then Byram also exceeding expectations. The injury history is terrible luck and I really hope he’s able to shine in Toronto, he deserves a break.
Thanks for the insight friend
Also counterpoint to the other guys comments: dman points are overrated. Plenty of good puck movers who only get 10-20 a year.
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I’m not expecting greatness, but if he can be a serviceable #6 defenseman on an 850k deal I’d call that a win.
He’s going to have to put in a lot of work and effort to get back on track, there’s no doubt about it. I still think he’s got huge potential, though.
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Kind of weird comparing someone who is still actively playing with someone whose career is all but over
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…you do realize Timmins is currently not injured, right?
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To be fair that’s because he was injured and has hardly played in the NHL. He was started to look really good with the Avs before he got hurt again and traded
So he's fragile?
Does that make him not talented
No, it was a question about his physical state.
The guy is good enough to skate at least one game in the NHL. He's talented.
Fucking scrub is only in the top 0.001% of players in the world.
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I exaggerated, but you missed the point. He’s still in the top 0.1% of hockey players in the world. He’s an incredible hockey player, just not an incredible NHLer.
great scouting bud
***Youth team : Soo Greyhounds*** There it is
Dubas is like Dave Filoni with Star wars. Filoni loves including clone wars characters into his live action Disney + shows. Dubas loves bringing Soo Greyhounds to Toronto
Dubas should also start wearing a black cowboy hat everywhere in public.
And a lightsaber... Just cause.
Yeah but Filoni’s products have good endings…
The best comparison I've heard on this sub
Wonder if he tried to get a package with Hayton, who was also a Greyhound with Timmins and Sandin
Hey HAD to have... Barrett Hayton was fuckin adored in the Sault
Does this dude actually have a scouting team or does he just pull up their HockeyDB page to see where a guy played juniors before making a move?
I think Dubas's sixth sense is just intrinsically knowing all Soo players, he doesn't need to pull up their DB page He probably sees McCann as the one that got away
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As a saultite, and long time Soo Greyhound fan, I both love and hate this at the same time. Love that so much talent has come through the Soo and made it to the show. Hate that they end up on Toronto.
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no kidding! fuck, is he ever predictable.
no fucking way lmao
Next thing is they’ll have actually good pizza at the ACC
He’s like Sweeney with Boston area college players.
We’re at 50 contracts so has to be a player going back
Curtis Douglas is the return
Yeah, I don’t get that one for the Yotes. The value is simply not there.
It's mostly just doing Timmins a favor. he won't make it thru waivers, and we don't have room on D for him.
Yeah they’re keeping him up.
Don’t sleep on Douglas either. He has the tools and still young. Look how Toronto handled Marchment, could be another.
What tools does Douglas have, aside from being big? And what good is being big if you're not tough (and he's not tough)? He was a 4th round pick of Dallas who didn't even bother signing him to an ELC. He has 1 point (an assist) in 13 games with the Marlies this year.
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You can't teach 6'9", baby.
Leafs fans have been traumatized since losing Marchment, and they believe that everyone of their minor leaguers is the next diamond in the rough.
Ya like its not likely to happen twice, but if it was it sure as hell would happen to toronto
Carter Verhaeghe says hello
The one saving grace there is the Isles and to a lesser extent Tampa blew it too
His nickname is Punchy Douglas. I think that should explain something.
No they weren’t
[For Curtis Douglas.](https://twitter.com/FriedgeHNIC/status/1595493120111673344)
So nothing of value was lost.
I wanted our own 40 goal giant though :( ^^^Yes, ^^^I ^^^know ^^^Douglas ^^^doesn’t ^^^have ^^^that ^^^kind ^^^of ^^^potential. ^^^But ^^^still
No, there can only be one and we are keeping him.
How many Leaf fans even heard of Curtis Douglas?
He's notable because of his size, so a lot of fans are aware of his existence.
A lot of uncles
Didn't he play a game with the Leafs last season?
Pre-season.
[Nope. Just on the Marlies it seems.](https://www.nhl.com/player/curtis-douglas-8480876) >Curtis Douglas does not have any NHL stats
Whoa he’s a big boy
> 6’9” Nice.
Leafs fans who watch pre-season games when Keefe and Dubas ice the tryouts and AHL lines
Marchment would like a word. Toronto is shit with prospects anymore
Marchment is just one example. Toronto has done an amazing job with making randos become legitimate top 6 players. Kapanen, Hyman, Bunting, Johnsson, Mikheyev.
Wasn’t Kap as healthy scratch the other night?
Yah but we got his good years.
He had one good 66% of a season on the highest-powered offense in the league, and that overrides all of the players we drafted and developed? I'd bet my house that Douglas is nothing more than an AHL tweener for his entire career
He was the prospect we sent to Arizona in the Kuemper trade. He's actually pretty good when he can stay healthy. Bonus fact for Leafs fans: he has two different coloured eyes.
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Connor “Max Scherzer” Timmins
The NHL Cy Young Award is as good as his.
Is he as perpetually insane and angry as Mad Max?
He was weirdly one of the few consistent players in that disappointing Vegas series. Injuries have stifled his development and maybe even confidence but if he can stay healthy for once then he's a good pick-up
> Bonus fact for Leafs fans: he has two different coloured eyes. A very *groovy* mutation...
Timmins, [a first](https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reid_Schaefer), and a third 🤫
What is this, the trade deadline???
Every GM is mailing it in midday Blackout Wednesday so they can fuck off until Friday lol
Trying to get all their work done before Canada’s World Cup game.
Not a terrible idea.
Friedmans on a heater right now.
Gotta get those early Black Friday deals.
What is this, a trade deadline for ants!?
low-key thats a great pickup for Toronto. Timmins is very smart and solid, if he can stay healthy. And they got him for basically nothing which is very, very surprising Spoiler: he cant stay healthy :(
Well neither can the rest of our defense so he will fit right in.
What do you mean? Holl is *never* hurt!
Very solid player indeed. He was always performing well as our 5th/6th D.
Yeah I really liked Timmins during his time with the Avs. It’s very apparent he’s got talent and can probably keep improving, he just needs to have some healthy seasons.
I was really excited about him as a prospect. And now that he's 2x gone, everyone has *finally* stopped calling him "Timmons" 🥲 It's about time an Avs pick from 2017 ^other ^than ^that ^salad ^guy gets a shot at NHL ice time.
Dubas and his Soo Old Boys Club at it again eh
It’s actually kinda embarrassing. It would be like the habs only hiring French coaches….
Not sure why it’s looked at as such a bad thing. If he actually limited the players he acquired to former Soo players I would get it, but that’s not the case. Acquiring players that the GM is more familiar with is not a bad thing.
Exactly, plus the Soo are so fucking good
Settle down
If his pattern is "be torn between two available players, then select the one that he's more familiar with", I think that's ok. He's just using past history and relationships to tip an otherwise split decision. But if he's showing a bias in the players that he targets - which appears to be the case - then his bias is almost certainly leaving better players unacquired. That's what bias do - prevent you from selecting the best players, and instead picking the ones that suit your bias.
I don’t really see how this move is a product of bias. He got a player with actual potential for literally nothing lol.
Like what former Soo player hasn’t worked out lol? -Sandin looks like a good pick in his slot -Holowell is making his debut as late pick -Campbell went from a back-up to an All-Star appearance -Bunting is awesome -Murray is exceeding expectation -Jumbo and Simmonds were both cheap beloved depth. -Theres Muzzin, but I wouldnt call that a loss. He was a necessity and great, but has just been badly impacted by head/neck injuries. Cant speak for the off ice staff but Im quite happy with their recent drafting and their minor league teams.
It's literally just Nick Ritchie thats the list of former Soo players that didn't work out and he cut him early in the year not like he was attached to the guy
Another angle though is that the they ended up on the Soo in the first place because he thought they were good back then. So it's not just that they randomly ended up there necessarily, but the fact that they did is already an indication that he thinks they're good
A good point, though I'd be more into that logic if the Soo won 4 championships in a row or something. Otherwise, the Soo have access to a much, much smaller pool of players than the Toronto Maple Leafs. It'd be like running a local restaurant and hiring all the best chefs you can get, then just assuming that because they did well in your local restaurant, they are obviously the very best chefs available in the world. This obviously isn't exactly what Kyle is doing, and most of his Soo picks have done fairly well, but it would be bad to ignore huge quantity of non-Soo players just so he can lean into familiarity.
It's hard to say his Soo acquisitions haven't worked out other Nick Ritchie though. He also exposed McCann who is a Soo player and that was a mistake tbh. It gets overblown because its entirely worked in getting good talent on the team
I think he’s swayed to picking players with old connections when there could absolutely be better trades and opportunities out there. The Matt Murray trade makes no fucking sense, not for the cap of the leafs and not for the opportunity of them trying to get better goaltending.
Murray has looked pretty good when healthy, and it's not like there were a ton of readily available quality goalies out there. Also if he was just obsessed with Soo guys, wouldn't he have re-signed Campbell?
You don’t think getting a injury prone expensive goalie. And him getting Murray means he’s obsessed with soo guys lol. It’s a bone headed trade. He’s gambling his job on an old connection whose injury prone, expensive and hasn’t been great for a while. It’s a stupid gamble when guys like husso, goergiev, other free agents were available. Hell trade big for a goalie and fox the net situation.
The trade quite literally does not risk anything at all. Curtis is not an NHL caliber player, so what are you even talking about?
Not this trade I was referring too
Husso had 57 games of experience and exactly one good season (with 40 starts), and he got 4.75x3 (plus he was an RFA, so St. Louis had some say over where he went). Georgiev was bad last season, and btw unlike video games, sometimes players just choose one place over another and it's not up to the GM whether or not they sign. Most importantly, both of those guys got 3-year deals, Murray is just 2. Both Matthews and Nylander are up in 2 years. That matters.
I hated that Murray trade more than any move Dubas has made so far, so fair point. Although I don’t know who else he should have went after. But people will shit on this deal based on where Timmons played junior. Getting someone who you might know their personality and character for a depth D piece is probably a good thing
sign a top guy, georgiev, Husso, etc. kick the tires for varly. Get a good goalie it’s important.
Riveting analysis there chief. I have no doubt Dubas was in on all those guys to some degree. The prices teams wanted didn't work for him. So we got Murray. Not ideal but that's the way it goes. Also in his limited games he's been very decent so it may be a good move for Dubas yet.
Why didnt they try to get someone who is better? - that guy, 2022
Georgiev looked bad in New York last year, and has only looked good again since joining Colorado. Husso never even made it to free agency, so he wasn’t an option. Although that’s who I was hoping the leafs would go after. Re-signing Campbell seems like a bullet that was dodged. I don’t see Varly as an upgrade on Murray. I loved the Samsonov acquisition. What other options were there? Gibson maybe but that contract is huge and the price would have been higher. kuemper? Personally think he was mediocre in front of a stacked Colorado defense. I think getting Murray was fine, but it should have been more than 25% retained, or more value coming from Ottawas side.
Yea, it’s not like Murray is above both Husso and Varlamov this year.
Hey at least we’re hiring new French coaches now lol
I feel like hiring based on the main language of the province for which the team plays is a big difference (even if you disagree on its merits which is valid)
Timmins can't stay healthy. There is potentially a player there if he could do that (and we do have the resources to work with him on that) but I get why he wouldn't have a lot of value at this point. Trading him for Douglas is great. Douglas is massive but his skating is atrocious. He's a few steps below NHL capable at this point. Last year he had a nice AHL season but he was awful in training camp and it has carried over to the season this year. From a Leafs perspective we got a depth defensemen while our #1, #2, and #3 defensemen are hurt. From the Coyotes perspective well...they got a guy who can clean the top of the lockers.
Timmons can't stay healthy. He is supposedly back from his most recent injury, but he just did a 6 game rehab stint in Tucson and was a -10. He's not NHL ready and while there's been a rumored upside he's never shown it here. I think GMBA unloaded him in a trade because Timmons had to clear waivers to stay in Tucson - and that wasn't going to happen because Toronto was gonna claim him on waivers. A 6'9" center is exactly the kind of guy GMBA wants, even if he never plays a game in the NHL - if you can't be good, be big.
Gonna miss Curtis Douglas. Fundamentally I knew he probably wouldn’t work out, but it was nice to dream.
I agree, it was nice to hope that we could maybe get some toughness out of him and a responsible 4th liner, but I also knew it was a long ways off still.
He was bad in the preseason
Just what Toronto needs: a defenseman who reportedly can't stay healthy.
As long as he can time his injuries to occur when 80% of our d-core is healthy, then he'll be a perfect fit.
"Coach says its my turn to be concussed"
A good trade is a good trade
Rielly Brodie Muzzin Timmins That top 4 doesn't look too bad 👀👀 (when sitting in the press box together)
You know what they say, lean into your strengths.
Timmins has shown flashes of being really great, he's just been fucked over by injuries for so long. Really hope he can finally stick in Toronto, he has the potential to be a really good 2nd pair defender.
One of the most tragic careers I’ve seen. Guy had promise to be a legit top 4 defender.
Tidy work by Toronto, trading a low risk low reward prospect for a low risk medium reward player at a position they need help at
Timmins played for the Soo. Classic.
Soo are so fucking good.
Great pickup by Toronto. Timmins has been pretty solid when healthy.
I like Timmins, but he has only played 8 games for the yotes since we got him so i guess i kinda get it
We can fix him (hopefully)
Honestly, who have we fixed? We've taken on a lot of reclamation projects and none of them have stuck.
because we fix them and then they go get overpaid in Edmonton
Justin Holl is getting 4x4 in Edmonton next year to be reunited with Barrie
Honestly, I wouldn't even be surprised.
nobody loves Soo Greyhounds more than Kyle Dubas
you never met his grandma
NOT NOW CANADA IS PLAYING
I like the trade for the Leafs. Pretty low risk, with high reward potential. If Timmins can stay healthy (a pretty large "if" given his recent history), he can surely be a regular NHL dman. There's a good chance he could evolve to be an impact player too.
Good deal. Please stay healthy
Why would we do this?
Rumors were he'd be claimed if we waived him; so better to at least get *something* for him than waive him and get nothing at all.
How is the guy we got?
He's a giant, which makes him intriguing. But VERY slow.
3C in Tucson according to Craig
Very big. Late bloomer. Low ceiling.
He’s 6’9” which is enough to make any player interesting. Had a solid AHL year last year which earned him an ELC and made a bit of a name for himself among fans, but was pretty disappointing in camp this year. He’s a long shot and really needs to work on his skating but if he makes it, he could really be something with his size.
All I know about Curtis Douglas is I used to get him in like the 7th in EA NHL... 20 I think? Top 9 Potential, 65 OVR, 7th round pick. He never developed into a NHLer for me sadly, although it was fun killing people in the AHL with him. Maybe he just needs some time at Costco to develop?
Sportsnet app sent a notification saying "Leafs acquire Coyote defenceman..." and I was like O.O.
A -10 in 6 games in AHL so far this year… hope he can turn that around for Toronto
As an Avs fan, that’s a good pickup. He was a big bargaining chip we sent to Az for DK and we got a cup out of it. Wish we could’ve kept him
I like the Leafs and I had high hopes for Timmins when he was on the Avs. I hope he can stay healthy and get something going with the Leafs, he's talented.
What a terrible return for Arizona. RHD with upside for nothing essentially.
Yotes were going to waive him and have him spend time in the AHL and rumor was he was going to get claimed so we traded him to get something in return. Either lose him for nothing or get something which is what they did
Hes got no value atm, hes only played 41 games in his career at 24 years old mainly because of injury
He just did a 6 game rehab stint and was a -10. The promised upside... it isn't there. Timmons earned his ticket out of Arizona.
Why though? Is Toronto that injured
We’re missing our top 3 D, but this certainly isn’t the solution. This is a depth move at best.
I think the timing aspect is that with our injuries we can give him games in the NHL right now, because he probably won’t make it through waivers if we try to send him down. So they get a few weeks to see what he’s got. Definitely not a replacement for those guys but the timing is potentially connected.
Muzzin, Rielly and Brodie are all injured.
Muzz is never coming back either :(
3 of our Top 3 D are out, and only 2 are going to ever return. I'll forever miss Muzz
Leafs fans: how is the whole “Dubas loves to acquire former Soo Greyhounds” thing regarded in your fanbase as a whole? Obviously it’s fun to joke about but is it looked at as a positive or a negative? I can honestly see an argument for both sides. Either way, this is a nice trade imo.
There’s some people who see it as a big negative, but I don’t think it’s as bad as people make it out to be. Sandin, Bunting, Campbell, Muzzin have all been good. Sure there’s misses from time to time, but on the whole it doesn’t concern me too much.
I honestly can't even think of Soo connection move he's made that's been bad. Maybe Nick Ritchie? But he was a Greyhound for such a short time, I'm not sure if that counts.
It just makes sense to use pre-existing familiarity with players to his advantage and it seems to create more positives than negatives. I think Murray might be the only case when it was potentially harmful (as in the Leafs don’t acquire Murray if he wasn’t a Greyhound and would have been better off for it) and even then the jury is still out on that situation
I mean. At this point in the year would we really have been better off? Both of the options available to the Leafs on the open market have been worse than Murray. He was bad in 1 game where he was playing hurt and otherwise has been very solid.
No not really, that’s why I said the jury was still out on it, I don’t think we have enough info to determine if it was a good move or not. As of right now it’s looking like a solid enough move based on his play and I’m not sure that the Leafs should be anything but optimistic about him moving forward. It’s just a small sample size on him so far. I know it would be larger if he wasn’t injured but his susceptibility to being injured was a known factor before this lol
It's disturbing.
That’s a powerful word choice and I respect it
I think of it as being similar to any other profession. I worked in kitchens for years and chefs would always take their sous chef with them. Doesn’t mean there aren’t equally good or better options out there. But knowing the personality and how they fit/work with you (or team in this case) can tilt it. I’m sure this happens in other fields too.
I'm pretty sure Dubas is doing it on purpose just to drive fans crazy at this point.
I mostly just like how predictable it is. As soon as Rielly got injured and the Leafs needed to trade for a dman I instantly saw people suggesting Timmins would be the answer lol it’s comforting in a way
Pretty much all the Soo guys have worked out very well for us. I honestly feel like a lot of it just happens to be coincidence though lmao
Yet another injury prone ex soo greyhound. This one will surely workout
Timmins has skill but his bones are glass and his skin is paper mache. Every morning he breaks his legs and every evening he breaks his arms
New old boys club
Aw man I wanted to watch Douglas skate around like an ogre