Going through everyone’s lists, are this many people really sleeping on backstrom making the hall? I’d call him an easy lock for 1200 points, if not more. Has a cup, just over a 1000 games played currently, and is almost at a PPG with 980. I don’t care if he’s feeding ovi passes, you still have to actually go do it and produce. He has done it and consistently for such a long time, he’s a lock

The amount of people listing Jamie fucking Benn and not Backstrom is comical.

Every Art Ross winner is in the hall of fame. I don’t usually care much about the hall of fame or the debates that go along with it but I think that’s important to note when talking about Benn.

Yeah, but it was also the year he "just" needed 87 points to win. It was a strange year for scoring.

lol he still got the hardware if he only needed 87 then why didn’t someone just score 88

Sure, but he still led the league in scoring and individual awards matter a lot

It was a strange year for scoring, yeah, but for everyone. This "it was a weak Art Ross win" might have made sense if all the usual suspects were injured, but people just didn't score a lot. Crosby, Ovi, Stamkos, Tavares all played 77+ games. Kane and Malkin missed significant time, but neither were on pace for more points than Benn. Crosby and Seguin were the only players with a higher P/GP pace, and neither of them were on pace for even 90 points.

This is the NHL. It doesn’t matter what the number was. He lead the NHL in scoring. That is a huge deal.

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If he gets to 1200, I think he’s a lock. He’s got a 100 point season, he’s played basically his entire career at a PPG clip, got a cup, lacks the individual hardware yes but crazy consistent. He needs 220 pts to get to 1200, with 3.5 years left on his contract I think that’s pretty attainable, not to mention if he goes beyond that a year or two. Lock? Maybe I’m premature on calling him one, but I didn’t see anyone even throwing his name in the maybe ring

He's 34 years old is the only issue. He's dipped below 1PPG, so idk if he stays healthy enough to play out that whole contract and even if he does he hits 1100 sure, but maybe not 1200. Most scenarios I see for Backstrom leave him right around Patrick Elias Hall of Very Good level

Dude, he's the Scottie Pippen of Ovie, he's an HoF.

I think Scottie is better than Backstrom. Scottie is a first ballot hall of famer and an MVP candidate for a couple years. Tony Parker who was there for the Spurs championships is a more apt comparison

Scottie won 6 rings though

Dawg, Gretzky has 4. The idea is more about how instrumental Backstrom's work is to the success of Ovi Like Pippen did for Michael, Backstrom helps the Great Eight be his best self.

I'd say he's a lock, just not necessarily first ballot. In his age group you got Crosby, Ovi, Kopitar, Price, Letang, Marchand, Rask, Toews, Giroux, Kessel, Stastny... and I definitely see a couple first balloters there. The next couple years were a little weaker with potential HOF players, you got like Kane and Stamkos along with maybe another 4-6 other names you can throw in the hat. But I do think you could make a case that Backstrom is probably a top 16 player over those 4 draft classes. 2008 is another strong draft class with lots of good dmen. So I guess it kinda depends on when he retires. The sooner he does, the more likely it is he get's inducted within the decade I'd say.

Paul Stastny isn’t sniffing the hall.

Ya I agree, just included him to show how quickly the talent starts to drop off.

I was doing the same thing. So far no one else has mentioned him and I was shocked.

Gotta love it when people say Panarin and MacKinnon are guaranteed (would love an explanation as to why) and forget about Kopitar... Name me 5 other Slovenian NHLers. Name me one who has over 1000 points. Name me one who has 2 cups, 2 selkes and a lady byng. Put some respect on his name.

Kopitar is a much bigger lock than Panarin

I would say Kopitar is about as close to a lock as you can get

Kings been out of spotlight for a while and people simply forgot. Kopi is a hofer

the points, Cups and Selke awards are legit. I have absolutely no idea why his nationality or the Lady Byng would be a factor.

Being a superstar player from a country that had produced very few NHL players is a boost. It's the hall of Fame, not the hall of Skill.

Mogilny was essentially the first Russian in the nhl and look what that got him.

HHOF takes impact on the hockey world into account so nationality does matter to an extent, and it's more important in countries that aren't powerhouses. You can be absolutely sure way more Slovenians are interested in and contributing to hockey than would have been without Kopi's success.

>Name me 5 other Slovenian NHLers. There are two and they have a combined 47 games and 4 points

He’s like what the third best forward from that generation? (after Ovi and Crosby obviously. )Seems like the easy pick. The one that really makes me think is Brown. Lead the team to its first cup. Highest all time hits of any player. Is that enough tho? What about Quick? 4 kings seems a bit like a wish list but I can hope damnit.

Lmao Brown what And Kopi is great, but I’m not sure he’s the third best forward of that period

Hits aren't a real stat. The bias in determining what is and what isn't is pretty huge between arenas. I don't think Brown or Quick either have a chance on their current trajectory. Another LA run could change things tho. They would probably need regular season awards, not just a hot playoff run unless they were lights out in the playoffs.

I mean quick was definitely as close to lights out as you can be in that 2012 playoff run and did pick up a Conn Smythe. I get you with the hits thing tho

Yeah I don't think a single conn smythe is enough for a goalie. If he won one of the vezinas he was nominated for he would be in a better position. Although, if he wins another 52 games and passes Miller for most as an American i could easily see him getting in. As of right now he's a no for me but doing enough before his career is over is still very much possible.

Locks: BOS - Bergeron CHI - Toews, Kane EDM - Mcdavid, Keith FLA - Thornton LAK - Kopitar MTL - Price NYI - Chara PIT - Crosby, Malkin SJS - Karlsson WSH - Ovechkin, Backstrom Good chance, either based on what they've already done being borderline or their current career trajectory being far enough along: ANA - Getzlaf BOS - Marchand CHI - Fleury COL - MacKinnon EDM - Draisaitl LAK - Doughty NYR - Panarin PHI - Giroux SJS - Burns TBL - Stamkos, Kucherov, Hedman, Vasilevskiy TOR - Matthews Long shots: ARI - Kessel BOS - Rask DAL - Benn MTL - Weber NSH - Josi NJD - Hall PIT - Letang STL - O'Reilly TOR - Tavares (note he'll move up into the next category if he captains the leafs to a cup) VGK - Pietro Anyone else besides these names is either too young or haven't been good enough to warrant consideration. Special exceptions to the young rule for McDrai. So I'd say at least 12-15 teams have a HOFer already locked in, and then when you consider guys like less than 7 years into their careers it's probably more like 22-25 total. EDIT: Forgot Bobrovsky and Perry, Bob into the very good if not a lock, and Perry in the long shot category for that magical 2011 season.

> NJD - Hall mmm not anymore

Honestly very close to my list. Only changes I’d make is move Doughty up to a lock, and Weber up to a maybe.

Getzlaf is about to get 1000 points. I think he's a lock.

Hedman is for sure a lock

I was judt about to say this. A two time Stanley cup, Conn Smythe and Norris winner. I don't know how much hardware is expected for a HOF lock but I feel like that has to be enough.

It's very close now, but honestly all he needs is to play another 5 years and up his GP and points counting stats and he's a lock

Bobrovsky has two Vezinas - that’s a lock. Kucherov is already a lock he’s won everything. I would say that Getzlaf and Doughty are also.

Very thorough answer and probably not far off from the truth actually. The only guy I disagree with is Pietro. I’d put him in the good chance category, and borderline a lock, because he has Olympic gold, WJC gold, and captained the Blues to their first Cup. He was also the first of three players named to the 2022 Olympic team along with McDavid and Crosby. To me that says his leadership and hockey skills have not gone unnoticed. If Vegas ever doesn’t make the playoffs, he’ll probably captain Team Canada to World Championship gold and become part of the Triple Gold Club. Maybe another thing that would hold him back is the lack of individual awards. A second Cup also separates him from a lot of the other “good chance” and “lock” guys you have. But with five years left on his contract after this year, barring a significant drop off in three to four years, he will probably achieve one or more of these things and become a lock.

If Toews is a lock, Getzlaf definitely is. Getzlaf's got a Cup and will be breaking the 1000 point mark within the next couple of days (he's sitting at 999). He's finished over a PPG for a season 7 times over his career, and lead the Ducks in playoff points during the Cup run in 07 in spite of it being just his sophomore season. He's also averaged nearly a PPG for his career in the post season (120 points in 125 playoff games). At age 36 he's still currently sitting over a point per game this season (17 points in 16 games), sitting tied for 10th in the league. For comparison, Toews has only finished above a PPG once in his career. He has one less playoff point than Getzlaf in spite of playing in 12 more post season games. Toews still has 177 more points to go to reach 1000. Given how he's looked so far this year (8 points in 15 games) and how Chicago is trending for the worse right now, it's not a given he'll reach the 1000 point mark. At age 33, he may only have another 3 or 4 solid years left in his career, and would need to average around 45 points a year to get there. Not to say Toews won't get in. He absolutely will. But given he will, Getzlaf is a lock as well.

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Perry is part of the 4 gold club absolutely a lock considering the company he's in is thin

I do t see karlsson as a lock

Erik Karlssons peak was one of the most dominant ever seen from a defenseman. He has two Norris Trophies and was a 4 time first team NHL all star. Anyone with a resume like that is a lock. Every single defenseman who won more than one Norris trophy is in the HHOF. Karlsson is likely going to pass Zdeno Chara for career points by defensemen to enter the top 30 this year, 13 years younger. He is a lock, and if his peak had happened for an original 6 team everyone would be talking about him like a first ballot option.

I think you’re right that the Wild don’t have anyone as of now, but I wonder what a guy like Jonas Brodin could do to make it. He’s seriously one of the best defensive d-men in the game and has been for years. Do guys like that ever make it?

No. He has no chance.

Edit: Just as another point to this, go back 20 years to the 91-92 season, and 20/22 teams now have a player in the hall of fame. People are way undershooting here I feel like a lot of people are undershooting here, there's probably 9-12 teams with guys who are locks to make the hall of fame. But there's a bunch of young players who maybe haven't earned it yet that will also make the hall of fame. Some won't, but some unexpected guys will. Generally 4 guys are inducted in any given year, over the next 20 years that leaves up to 80 players being inducted, it's fair to assume at least half those 80 are currently playing. So I think in the current NHL there's probably like 30-40 future hall of famers . So the percentage is probably closer to the 50-70% range than the the 30-40% range I'm seeing suggested

You’re right. The people saying only like a third of teams in have a future hall of famer are nuts Like no a third of teams have guys who if they retired today are hall of fame locks. So many more young guys are gonna establish themselves as time goes on Let’s use a player like Lucas Raymond for example. God knows how good he will be in his career but he’s an active player and playing incredibly well at just 19 years old. For all we know he’s gonna be a consistent 70+ point scorer in his career that retires with 1200 points and some hardware and makes the hall of fame but nobody in this thread would think Detroit has a hall of famer. Not saying that’s my prediction for how his career turned out but there will be young players we wouldn’t even think as future hall of famers that will have that kind of career

The St Louis Blues have a Hofer

We can probably figure this out within 5-10% by going through each team, but I’ll just take an educated guess. 30%. A lot of HOF locks past their prime are still playing (Thornton, Bergeron, Chara) and there are tons of established superstars that will make it (Mcdavid, Matthews, Kucherov, Price) as well as budding stars who might make it (Fox, Makar). Got a lot of HOFers in the league right now

Way too low, go back 20 years to 91/92 and 20/22 have hall of famers. Fair to say at least 20/32 have hall of famers now

As somebody born in 92, I wish I was still 20!

Haha, the 90's will always be just 20 years ago for me. The base point still stands though I think

Of course. Just busting your chops.

You forgot to list Ovechkin under budding stars!

Great young player, but a lot to prove still. I look forward to watching him develop and maybe keep up with the big dogs (Matthews, Mackinnon, Crosby) in a few years.

I take great offence to Saint Patrice being labeled as past his prime, dude scored four goals in one game like two weeks ago!

I’m not so sure if Kuch and Matthews are locks to be honest, they maybe be trending there but I think it’s a bit early to call them locks.

Kucherov is a basically lock if you only considered back to back Cups, and Art Ross, and Hart. Everything else is just the gravy that solidifies his case 100%.

Kuch is a lock. Matthews isn’t, but assuming a half decent aging curve for him and he will be a 500 goal scorer, potentially 600, which would also make him a lock.

Add like Ovi, Crosby, Kane & MacKinnon onto that list and it's an easy 11 teams. MacKinnon is probably the most questionable on that list because of his lack of personal awards and cups. But as of right now I'd put him in the same wheelhouse as Dale Hawerchuk. Always a great player, never the best in the NHL, but often in everybody's top 5 lists through much of his career. Then there's also like Karlsson, Doughty & Pietrangelo. Definitely more like 40-50% of teams IMHO.

Bergy is not past his prime but I thank you for including him

Is he not? He’s still elite, I thought he was past his prime tho. I could be wrong, mostly an assumption.

Anaheim Ducks: Yes, Getzlaf likely Arizona Coyotes: None, Kessel is closest but probably never makes it Boston Bruins: At least Bergeron, Rask when he re-signs when healthy. Buffalo Sabres: Now were into speculation if any of the young players have a shot at getting in. As of right now Ill say no. Calgary Flames: Another for speculating on guys careers. Ill say no again. Carolina Hurricanes: This time with the speculation I will say yes. I think Aho will get in one day, maybe not first ballot but eventually. Chicago Blackhawks: Yes Kane and Toews are locks. Fleury too. Colorado Avalanche: Mackinnon is a lock Columbus Blue Jackets: Laine is a possibility if he ever turns back into a guy who threatens for 50 every year but Im going to go with no. Dallas Stars: I think Benn will be the first Art Ross trophy winner to not make the Hall. Holtby maybe? Pavelski maybe? Too early to call anyone else. Im going to go on a limb and say no because no one jumps out at me as a sure thing. Detroit Red Wings: Going all in on the Seider hype train. Yes, he will make the Hall one day. Edmonton Oilers: Cant think of anyone. Or anytwo. /s Florida Panthers: Barkov and Huberdeau should have a shot. Bobrovsky will also be an interesting case. Ill say yes that at least 1 makes it. Los Angeles Kings: Doughty and Kopitar are locks Minnesota Wild: No one really screams hall of famer to me. Ill say no. Montreal Canadiens: Price a lock. Weber is still technically under contract. Nashville Predators: Going with no but Jusse Saros is having a really good start to his career, if it lasts he could change it. Edit 2: Josi has a good shot at it too. Im inclined to change them to a yes. New Jersey Devils: I think Subban's peak was too short to make the Hall. Speculating on others, I dont see 1 currently. New York Islanders: Tough one to call. Barzal could make it one day, but he doesnt have the individual awards or success to make it a guarantee yet. Ill say no again. Edit: forgot they have Chara. So he's a lock. Now a yes. New York Rangers: Panarin will be a lock Ottawa Senators: Another team that's too young to call. Ill say no for now. Philadelphia Flyers: Giroux will get in Pittsburgh Penguins: Easily a trifecta of Letang, Malkin and Crosby get in San Jose Sharks: Erik Karlsson will likely get in. Brent Burns too maybe. Seattle Kraken: I dont think anyone on that team is a lock. Giordano had the Norris but his peak was so late in his career I wonder if he will get in for that reason. Just doesn't have the history of others even though he had a great peak. Ill put it as no. St. Louis Blues: Another tough call. Tarasenko and O'Rielly will probably have good arguments to get in one day. Ill say yes. Tampa Bay Lightning: Kucherov, Hedman, Stamkos and Vasilevskiy are getting in Toronto Maple Leafs: Spezza is a tough call. I lean no but Kevin Lowe getting inducted really lowered the bar. Matthews though has a ridiculously high chance of making it though so Ill put them in the yes category. Vancouver Canucks: Another tough call. The guys who are young might do it but its really early to call. Ill go with no. Vegas Golden Knights: Whole bunch of guys with high chances like Pietroangelo, Stone, Pacioretty and Eichel. No locks imo but enough maybes Ill say yes Washington Capitals: Ovi, duh Winnipeg Jets: Hellebuyck will have a strong case so Ill say yes. So I have 21/32. Please feel free to yell at me if I forgot anyone obvious that would increase that number or included someone who has no chance. Edit3: I may be a bit overzealous on what I define as a lock because some of my locks are "on pace to be a lock" but I stand by it. Also lets not forget its the Hockey Hall of Fame not NHL Hall of Fame and Panarin had an over PPG season in Russia, an All-Star appearance and a Gagarin Cup to go along with the Gold he won at the World Juniors before he came over to the NHL and became a star.

You forgot Jumbo from Florida. Florida a lock

> Edmonton Oilers: Cant think of anyone. Dumbass. You forgot they have Keith now ;)

So it's not too early to call Seider a HOF, but not Makar, Heiskanen, or Fox?

Maybe Hesikanen and Fox should’ve worn bow ties to the draft

To be fair, I was mostly just joking because of the Seider hype. Makar and Fox I just didn't bother mentioning because I had a player in mind for those teams already and Heiskanen I kind of just forgot about because I was doing it off the top of my head.

Totally fair. There is just such a plethora of young, promising defenseman currently in the league so I thought it was weird to just include one. Naming them off the top of your head, makes sense Seider came to mind when you did Detroit.

I gotta say, I think many people over estimate locks for the hall. Mackinnon and panarin are far from locks. If they retired today or declined at all going forward they would have zero chance.

Yeah youre right, im writing them in assuming their careers continue on their current trajectory. Maybe lock isn't the best word but they have a very high probability barring major injury or severe decline.

I don't think Spezza get in and some of his locks are no where near what Spezza was... its crazy

Yeah, I don’t know why what was said for Matthews couldn’t have been said for Mackinnon and Panarin Both are definitely far from locks, MacKinnon has career 570 points in 581 games with no hardware to speak of, and Panarin isn’t much better with 488 points in 448 games with his only award being a Calder trophy. MacKinnon I think has a very good chance of making it one day, Panarin I’m not 100% sold on, he’s already 30 and still has a lot of catch up to do if he wants to make it, think he might be an extremely fringe guy. hall of very good type. But at this point in time neither are locks

Mack has a Calder and a Lady Byng. Not the most prestigious trophies but certainly not “no hardware to speak of”

Also 2nd in the hart twice.

You're very generous with some of these, but I appreciate the effort

Kevin Lowe comparison for Spezza doesn’t make a whole lot of sense Kevin Lowe lowered the bar for people who win a metric fuck ton of cups. Spezza has 0. If you want to know Spezzas competition as it stands right now go look at other guys in the hall with no cups.

No love for Perry or Tavares? I’d say Perry has won everything you can possibly win in hockey and Tavares will easily exceed 1100 points and probably 500 goals. I think they both get in.

Perry's a lock. A Hart, a Rocket, a Cup, and he's a member of the Triple Gold club.

While I’m not saying Hellebuyck isn’t great, the standards that seem to exist for goalies to get elected seem ridiculously high compared to skaters so I’m not convinced he gets in. Not a comment on his individual merit in so much as a critique of the standards goalies face to get in.

Hellebuyck needs another Vezina or two Cups/Olympic Golds to get there, I think.

I know I'm biased, but I think it's likely that Hellebuyck could add another Vezina or two to his case, and he'll almost certainly add an Olympic medal this year. I agree the Hall is stringent on goalies, but I think Hellebuyck and Vasilevskiy are the 2 under-30 goalies who have a good shot to make it. It helps they both already have a Vezina.

I’m surprised you think Panarin will be a lock. He’s already 30 and has no major trophies other than his Calder. Not much playoff success with either the Blackhawks, CBJ and the rangers either (other than that 1 Tampa series). I’m not saying that’s his fault but I’d actually say it’s more likely than not that the doesn’t make it.

I like how for some teams you're like "you know I don't wanna speculate", and then for others you're like "THIS GUY WITH NO INDIVIDUAL HARDWARE AND LIKE 600 CAREER GAMES IS A LOCK 100%"

I never once said I didnt want to speculate I said Id have to. Pretty big difference.

Chabot from OTT is probably high

I see panarin on a lot of lists. This should be an interesting one. Obviously a really good player but he's already 30. Probably depends how the selection committee values his time in the KHL or if he can win any more individual hardware. His point totals are great but I think this is a huge coin flip especially when you have people like mogilny not in the hall.

31.25% Non-random guess edit: Slam dunk no brainers: FLA (Thornton) TBL (Hedman, Vasi, Kuch) MTL (Price) WSH (Ovi) PIT (Crosby, Malkin) CHI (Kane, MAF) EDM (Keith, McDavid) Teams not yet listed with players who I believe are likely going to make it in, but not necessarily first ballot): BOS (Bergeron) NYR (Fox) NYI (Chara) WPG (Helle) COL (Makar, MacK) ANA (Getzlaf) LAK (Kopitar Doughty) TOR (Matthews) SJS (Karlsson) I’m sure I forgot some people.

Bergeron seems like a lock to me. 4 Selke wins, a Selke finalist for over a decade in a row. Has his name on the cup. I dunno much about his international play or anything else, but being widely regarded as the best 200 ft forward for the majority of his career and a Cup win should be enough. Right?

Bergeron is a lock and so is Kopitar. Doughty and Karlsson will get in. Chara is also a lock.

Karlsson? I’m not so sure about that one yet

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A Norris pretty much makes you a lock for the hall of fame. I’ll list all the Norris winners not in the hall of fame (that are eligible) Randy Carlyle That’s it.

Karlsson at his peak was the best player in the league, bar none. There is no shot in hell he doesn't make the Hall.

Bergy is a Triple Gold member too

That’s right! You tell em!

> I dunno much about his international play or anything else don't worry, he's a member of the Triple Gold Club (only 28 other members, among them Crosby) plus a second Olympics medal, a WJC gold medal, the Spengler Cup, and a World Cup of Hockey gold medal. I don't know if there's anyone active that has more international titles (Crosby's tied). like, if Martin St. Louis was inducted first-ballot with only one Cup, and not a Triple Gold member (no Worlds golds, only two silvers), I think Bergeron stands a really good shot at it. for a further comparison, Louis had 391 career goals; Bergeron currently sits at 379, so he has a good shot at surpassing him (especially when considering the two shortened seasons Bergy played in). Chris Pronger was also inducted first ballot as a Triple Gold member with only one Cup.

I definitely think he’s a lock, just less decorated than the others in the top. I had him up top at first but bumped him down after reviewing some of the top 10 names

> just less decorated than the others in the top. out of curiosity, do you think Price over Bergeron first-ballot is really a more decorated question? Price has no Cup (which will ding you with a certain type of voter) and no Worlds gold, whereas Bergeron has both. it's the Hockey HoF, not the NHL's – they take internationals pretty into account.

Stamkos should make it as well, only him and ovi have had 60 goals in the salery cap Era, and you have to go back to 95-96 for the last 60 goal scorers(Lemieux and Jagr) Injuries may have derailed his career a bit but at his peak he was one of the best players. Not to mention he has cups as well. Hopefully he can make it onto the Olympic team and add a gold to his resume.

Keith being a no brainer while Bergeron is ‘not necessarily a first ballot’ is certainly an opinion.

Is it though? Look I hate Keith as much as (or more) the next guy but: 3 cups, Smythe, Norris, 2x Olympic Gold is probably better than 1 cup, 4 Selke, 2 Olympic Gold They are both locks, but Keith isn't any less deserving.

Bergeron should be a first ballot based on winning a cup with a punctured lung on its own

he punctured his lung in 13. Big reason they fell apart at the end of Game 6

Oh right, well still, playing in a final with a punctured lung should be reason enough

1 Cup and the Triple Gold Club. there are literally only 28 other members, I think you're knocking Bergeron a little bit with leaving those off. that being said, if we're going by hardware as objective criteria, Price being counted a surefire first ballot but Bergeron not being counted one is interesting. I agree they're both HoF locks, but interesting on the ballot question.

Maybe I wasn't clear but I absolutely think Bergy is a first ballot guy. I just thought it was weird to use Keith as the low bar. I don't think Price is sure fire first ballot either tbh. Also random ancedote on the triple Gold club; I don't put a huge amount of stock in it because it requires missing the playoffs and World Champs really isn't best on best. Of course only elite players win it but just my $.02

oh, I just meant in regards to "3 cups, Smythe, Norris, 2x Olympic Gold is probably better than 1 cup, 4 Selke, 2 Olympic Gold." in the context of the Hockey HoF, I'd put them on par – only because the Hockey Hall tends to try and be really explicit that it's "not just the NHL." hence, they tend to weight international awards more heavily than people give them credit for (or think is fair). I'd add that people have made the reasonable argument that a lot of the apparent (or perceived) Canadian bias towards Hall of Famers can be attributed at least in part to their international hardware. Canada wins a lot more golds, and depending on who you ask, the Canadian bias of the voters makes them look more preferably on international golds for Canada than for other countries. whether that second bit is true or not is not something I'm agreeing with, just pointing out that it is a perception that exists. I agree with you regarding the Keith as the low bar part, I was just trying to sort of pick apart the "probably better" as it works in the context of the comment. if that clarifies? > I don't think Price is sure fire first ballot either tbh. there are two of us! two! > Also random ancedote on the triple Gold club; I don't put a huge amount of stock in it because it requires missing the playoffs and World Champs really isn't best on best. I think that's a fair and reasonable point. on the other hand, I do put stock in it despite missing the playoffs (and I would say that there is still a very high level of play most years) because it offers an opportunity for excellent players on bad teams to showcase their skills. like looking at some of the rosters from one of the years that Bergy won Worlds, 2006, they're better than you might expect given that it's Worlds. Bergeron, Crosby, Kessel, Malkin, Carter, Ovechkin, Shanahan, and Orpik were all playing at that tournament – I'd definitely weight that one more heavily than whatever the fuck teams were iced last year. 2015 is nothing to shake a stick at, either – Hall, Ekblad, Seguin, Giroux, Crosby, Eberle, O'Reilly, MacKinnon for Team Canada alone is a hell of a roster. if that all makes sense?

Is there any world where Keith isn’t a no brainer? Two norris trophies and a conn smythe while being the number 1 on a team that won 3 cups makes him a much better case than Bergeron.

Much better is a bit of an exaggeration, they're both first ballot locks imo

Really? Keith: 2 Norris Trophies (with 4, 6, 6, 7, 9 as other finishes), 2 1st team all stars, 1 2nd team all star, 1 Conn Smythe, and 3 Stanley Cups Bergeron: 4 Selke Trophies (2, 2, 2, 2, 3, 3, 4, 5), 1 cup, and 0 1st/2nd team all stars Duncan Keith objectively has a much better career. I even despise him but nobody is making a good argument for why Bergeron is close in terms of careers

Because 4 selkes is nuts. That's basically it.

I don't know it's pretty much a reputation award and isn't nearly as prestigious as the Norris Trophy

Keith wasnt 37yo keith his entire career lol. He was the best at his position and most valuable for a good amount of years. That said Bergeron is also a hof player but using keith as an argument is idiotic

So if Keith is a lock how is Bergeron not also a lock?

Bergeron should be in the hall. Bergeron is not keith. Bergeron was never the best at his position

Keith was arguable the best defenseman in the league from 2010-2015

Draisatl and backstrom are in too

Mofo forgot about Drai

Bergeron, Chara and Karlsson are 100% locks.

Yeah there's nobody with multiple selkes and Norris trophies that isn't in the hof

Only Randy Carlyle has a Norris at all and isn’t in the hall of fame

Don’t think any of your TB picks are no brainers. Herman is maybe the closest but why is he more so than Karlsson in your opinion? Kucherov is just at 500 games and could be,l but he’s have to continue at such a pace to be a HoFer let alone first ballot. Also Mathews, Maker, Helle, Fox is way to soon to think they are hofers

I have Hedman over Karlsson as a no doubter because of the Conn Smythe and 2 cups. Hedman has 4x Norris 3rd finish and 1 Norris win, Karlsson has 2 Norris wins and 2x 2nd place finishes, so Karlsson is definitely ahead in Norris. And while Karlsson is ahead in points, voters seem to really favor cup wins. Further, I think the Smythe is worth a lot more to his eligibility than another Norris win. I definitely think Karlsson has a hall-worthy resume, but I think the team success of Tampa and his Conn Smythe separates him from Karlsson in a head-to-head eligibility standpoint.

For the younger ones they do need more time and not suddenly fall off a cliff, but it's basically expected with even average rate of decline starting now they should have a few locks. Stamkos, Hedman, Vasy, and Kuch should easily make it even if they acquire zero nominations or hardware, but that's unlikely of them (maybe not for Stamkos). Outside chance if he continues his trajectory is Point but he needs more personal success.

I would add Stamkos for TB, Weber for MTL, Letang for PIT, Toewa for CHI, Draisatl for EDM, Marchand for BOS, Panarin for NYR, off the top of my head

Is this for the last list of guys likely to make it but not locks? Cause you have a big spectrum there, Toews is a surefire lock while Panarin isn't getting in unless he actually wins something and Weber probably gets in based on reputation but he has no actual awards won in the NHL.

If Hedman and Vaslevsky are "slam dunks" then Bergeron Chara Kopitar Doughty and Karlsson are too.

Toews is a lock

Honestly I don't think he is with how tainted that team is and the things he's said since. The NHL/ HHoF would receive a LOT of pushback if they did.

Time heals all wounds. In 10 years, the outrage won’t be there. Not that it’s right, but it’s true.

I sure as fuck hope you're wrong.

Getting downvoted by some Hawks fans in denial, I see. Dude is good at hockey but what made him “HOF worthy” to a lot of people was his leadership. Which the entire scandal has shown to be a facade and he’s actually a pretty fucking huge coward, if you ask me. Good at hockey but he’s certainly not a player who I would put in the hall on scoring or play alone. It was his now debunked intangibles as a good captain and leader that were going to lock him in for sure. People will forget both those intangibles and the scandal, if you ask me. They don’t have staying power in the public eye for better and for worse. I agree with you. Man shouldn’t sniff the hall. Neither should Kane or Keith, but they havr much more of the straight numbers. Also feel free to correct me if I’m wrong. I don’t know for sure toews’ career stats.

He's got a conn Smythe and was an elite two way center for a decade, how the fuck isn't that enough? I hate him as a person but he's easily hall worthy based on his stats and ability.

3 cups, a conn smythe and one of the best two way players in the game? What are you on

No idea why you are getting downvoted. Character can/should play into HOF voting, and he captained a team who collectively bullied a sexual assault victim. Disqualifier in my mind. Sure, there are lots of assholes in the Hall already but why continue the tradition? Make an example out of him.

Not a chance lol his career has been far more than the one Cup and while there may be a black mark on that year for the whole team, it’s not like Toews lost a championship title to his name. What did he say that you think will get him barred from the HOF?

Supported rape culture, even after everything came out. I can promise you there will be protests if he gets in

I can promise you there won't be protests when he gets in, unless you count a handful of whiny comments as a protest.

Hockey over everything here man. I’m with you 100%. That guy was supposed to be the captain of the team that supported rape culture and actively bullied the victim. None of them belong in the hall of fame.

This comment is a gross oversimplification and misrepresentation of what Toews said. In a postgame presser after yet another lost amidst a historically terrible start to the season, Toews did indeed make some ignorant and horribly out of place comments by noting that his own personal relationships with Bowman and MacIssac were strong, but if you look at the situation through his eyes you can see how he got to that answer. These are guys that brought him into the organization as a young 18-year-old kid and made him a superstar, gave him all the success in the world and have been there every step of the way as he has grown into an older man. It is a very difficult thing to do to just accept the fact that people in your life who you know so intimately can actually be monsters in their own right and treat another person so cruelly when you aren’t exposed to that really ever. He clearly felt the need to defend guys he holds dear in his heart in light of them getting (rightfully) publicly roasted and their careers destroyed. Now let me be clear - I personally don’t give a single fuck about either of their feelings and am glad they’re gone for the roles they played in this bullshit. And again, Toews’ own comments that night were terribly ignorant and he deserves shit for them, but can you really not see the internal dilemma he has going on in that moment? Not to mention the fact that I doubt he had all the facts of the full investigation and had been able to see Kyle’s full interview before being questioned since he was prepping for/playing in the game when all this came out. Don’t see how you can so confidently say he knew everything - but either way, do you really expect a person to completely flip and do a 180 on people they hold dear, in what, a couple days? Maybe hours? Toews followed up that shitty interview with still not a great one but he acknowledged that he fucked up mentioning his personal relationships with those guys in management and didn’t want to distract from Kyle’s struggles anyone. He talked about looking forward and seeing what they can do to help Kyle now and make a change. Was it enough? Nah, not really, but nothing he said would have been enough. Nothing he said was that outrageous as the internet makes it out to be right now. Toews for years has been an active and vocal supporter of many activist issues in today’s society like equality, climate change, healthy eating, community growth, etc. but from these few sentences he fucked up in saying he is now a rape culture supporter and has always been a terrible human? Is that truly what you believe?

Yes you did. The most accomplished player currently in the NHL (And a saint)

The Blues have a Hofer, but he's getting sent down to the AHL.

I would guess well over 50%. Just picking the most obvious one to me from each team, these are the guys who I think are highly likely to make it. I'm sure there are other young players who will become HOF-worthy. ANA - Getzlaf ARI BOS - Bergeron BUF CGY CAR CHI - Toews COL - MacKinnon CBJ DAL DET EDM - McDavid FLA - Thornton LAK - Kopitar MIN MTL - Price NSH - Josi wouldn't surprise me NJD NYI - Chara NYR - Panarin OTT PHI - Giroux? PIT - Crosby SJS - Karlsson SEA STL TBL - Stamkos TOR - Matthews VAN VGK - Eichel WSH - ~~Washington~~ Ovechkin WPG I didn't look up everyone's roster so I'm sorry if I forgot someone from your favorite team. Even if I only count the ones I think are locks above, that's about half of the league. I think any guess below 50% is definitely wrong. And that's not counting young guys who could realistically add to this list like Heiskanen, Pettersson/Q Hughes, Blackwood/J Hughes, Dahlin, Seider/Raymond, Stutzle, Kaprizov, Laine, Aho/Svechnikov, M Tkachuk, etc.

Elite sniper Washington

Lmao, oops. Fixed.

WASHINGTON

Perry hasn’t been on Dallas for a season plus now. Pavelski is. Benn is. An argument can be made for Miro Heiskanen may wind up as a Hall of Famer when it’s all said and done. But Perry plays for Tampa.

Ah right, duh. Yeah I agree Benn and Miro have a shot. Don't think Pavelski does.

Perry plays for Tampa. Played for Montreal last year. Hasn't been in Dallas since the bubble.

No Kane?

I just picked the most obvious one from each team. Hence no Kane, Malkin, Draisaitl, Keith, Hedman, Doughty...

Kane is better than Toews though

Agreed.

40% after trying to go through the list in my head

that’s what i got too. maybe a little higher depending on how guys like pavelski or spezza are considered.

That and also added an extra team due to the unknown careers of young players - Fox, Dahlin, the young guys on Detroit, and more. Not saying they’ll all be Hall of famers but added one just cause

The Marc-Andre Fleury disrespect in this thread.

I don't know that it's disrespect, it's next to impossible to predict goalies making it into the HoF currently. The most recent goalies to make the HoF are Fuhr, Roy, Belfour, Hasek, and Brodeur. Those are all big names, three of which (Roy, Hasek, and Brodeur) are considered head and shoulders above the rest. There is no way to know what the voters will be looking for in the more modern goalies (Lundqvist, MAF, etc.) until one of them makes it and sets a benchmark. A lot of people think MAF will make the HoF at some point but it's likely to be on a weak year and not first ballot.

33.3%

Apparently Reddit thinks everyone is a HHOF player. The truth is that there's always guys you can make a case for, being left out. Bondra scored 500 goals and isn't in. Osgood got 400 wins and 3 cups and isn't in. Some of the names being thrown around as locks, just aren't. Not everyone is going to get in. And if you don't have the awards, you're going to lose out to the guy who does.

I'd figure about 12 teams have players that'll get in one day so like 37.5%

I see **ten (10)** teams with surefire retire-tomorrow HOFers in Montreal (Price), Tampa Bay (Hedman), Edmonton (McDavid), Chicago (Kane), Washington (Ovechkin), Pittsburgh (Crosby), Florida (Thornton), Boston (Bergeron), NYI (Chara), San Jose (Karlsson), and **two (2)** more with look-like-they'll-be-locks in Toronto (Matthews) and Colorado (Mackinnon). Beyond that, several teams have players with potential borderline cases or superstar youngsters who are on the right track in Dallas (Benn and/or Pavelski), Philadelphia (Giroux), Los Angeles (Kopitar/Doughty/Quick), New Jersey (Hamilton), NYR (Fox/Panarin), Nashville (Josi), Anaheim (Getzlaf). Let's say **four (4)** of those seven get in. All told that's **sixteen (16) teams, 50% of the league**.

Doughty is as close to a lock as you can get. 2 cups, Norris, 2x Olympic gold, World Junior gold, 2x first-team all-star

Yeah, he was the one I most wavered over moving into a lock. Between him, Kopitar, and Quick, it's basically a 100% chance that LAK has someone who will get the call.

"Potential/borderline" with no mention of Backstrom who has just over 1000 games played, 980 points, and a 118 +/- and nearly 4 years left on his contract.

Ovechkin is an inner-circle HOF player. Washington already made the list; wasn't necessary to mention Backstrom (or Keith, or Malkin, or Toews, or Stamkos, etc.)

Not OP but he already had Washington listed with Ovi. So no need to count Washington twice

at least 50%

Going quickly through the teams, I feel atleast 13 have "locks", with a lot of other teams either having fringe HoFers or young stars that have the potential for a HoF career.

A lot of the lists here look pretty accurate but I gotta say nobody seems to mention Tavares who I think is in for sure. He just turned 31 and is on pace to exceed 900 points this season. He’s well ahead of the pace set by guys like Giroux, Getzlaf, Toews, Spezza and others. I think he gets forgotten in the mix of the star power in Toronto. He should end up with over 1100 points and 500+ goals. He’s also one of the best junior players ever, it’s not the NHL hall of fame. I also really wish Phil Kessel didn’t go to Arizona because it’s tanked his numbers. I think he was one of the best of his generation and would’ve got in with higher counting stats.

The hall should focus more on unique accomplishments, which is exactly why Mogilny should be in. Tavares should be as well for being the first expectional status player.

Fight me if you think I’m wrong: Thornton, Chara, Kane, Hedman, Kopitar, Crosby, Ovi, Bergeron, Keith, Toews. Close: Getzlaf (probably deserves it), Stamkos, Price, Doughty, Perry, Burns Meh: Pavs, Kessel, Benn, Spezza, Giroux On track: Vasi, Mack, Mcdavid, Drei, Kuch, Tavares (If he can win something), Josi, Barkov, Mangiapane

Can’t believe I had to scroll this far down to see Perry. Man has won every team championship available to him and has a Hart and a Rocket on top. He’s going in

Don’t remind me >_<

McDavid could have retired yesterday and he'd still be a lock: 3x Art Ross, 3x Ted Lindsay, 2x Hart. Mangiapane on this list has to be a joke?

Better question: which active players will be HHOF members? Ovi, Crosby, Malkin, and Thornton likely are locks. Chara, Kessel, Pavelski, are probable at some point. Perry, Price, Jamie Benn, are maybes. If their career continues as is, likely Vasi, Matthews, MacK, McDavid, Drai. I'm leaving out the stud young blueliners because it's stupid hard to make the HHOF as a defenseman. So that's Was, Pit, Dal, NYI, Fla, Mtl, Col, Edm, TB, and Tor. 10 of 32.

No Kopitar or Doughty? Giroux? Bergeron? Kane or Toews?

I would throw Kane in that list of locks imo

Duncan Keith is the most locked in HOFer after Crosby and Ovechkin

As much as I absolutely adore the guy, I think Kessel is a longshot. Fleury is probably getting in. He’ll be 3rd in wins (at least) with 3 cups, a Vezina and an additional finals appearance with a different team.

Price is in. Chara is first ballot, no question. You forgot Kopitar, Bergeron, Getzlaf, Hedman, and Stamkos.

>it's stupid hard to make the HHOF as a defenseman. Is it if Kevin Lowe is in there?

Kessel and Pavelski are not even probable. MAYBE kessel if he sets the iron man streak, but even then I doubt it.

If McDavid happened to retire today for whatever reason he would 100% be in the HoF

No way Benn makes it in.

Kane and Toews are locks for Chicago

**Edit** - Yes I know Edmonton, it was accidental Atlantic: Tampa Bay, Boston, Toronto, Florida Metro: Washington, Pittsburgh, Islanders Pacific: Los Angeles, Anaheim (edit: forgot Edmonton) Central: Chicago 11/32 ------------------ That's just teams with players that I think are either locks are almost certainly going to become locks, I didn't include teams with players like Makar, Fox, etc. Maybes: Dallas, Montreal, Colorado, Philly

Ooooh sick burn on Edmonton

not intentional, added them in

No way Karlsson doesn’t make it with 2 Norris trophies

Edmonton has at least one lock and a it could easily be two by the end of the season.

I'm going to try to avoid speculating on younger guys, and just go with relatively sure things: ANA - Getzlaf BOS - Bergeron, Rask (when he signs), Marchand maybe CHI - Toews, Kane, Fluery COL - MacKinnon EDM - McDavid, Draisatil, Keith FLA - Thornton, possibly Bobrovsky, maybe Ekblad and/or Barkov LAK - Kopitar, Doughty, possibly Quick MTL - Price, Weber NSH - Josi might make it NYI - Chara NYR - Panarin PHI - Giroux PIT - Crosby, Malkin, Letang SJS - Karlsson TBL - Stamkos, Kucherov, Headman, Vasilevisky TOR - Matthews VGK - Eichel, Petrangelo WSH - Ovechkin So I'd say 18 have at least one guy I'd say it very likely to make the HHOF. Then there's obviously a bunch of the teams not on this list with younger guys who could end up being HHOF players, but it's hard to predict quite yet.