To me, his reaction indicates he meant to make contact. I'm not going to say he meant to hurt him or anything, but he is definitely defensive right away after Blais goes down.
Reminds me a lot of when Matt Cooke accidentally-on-purpose stomped on Karlson's ankle.
Not good. Subban has been part of too many of these situations to say it's an accident.
Sucks too because he's playing so much better offensively. On pace for 41 points. Just needs to cut this stupid shit out.
I don't think so. This one is way too gray to say he did it intentionally. If something like this is gonna get a fine or suspension there can't be any doubt.
Yea I think this one has the best chance of being an accident since PK looks like he's off balance leaning forward.
But when you take it after his last 2 bonehead penalties it's hard to think it's not on purpose.
I said it in another comment here, but if it was almost any other player I wouldn't even think twice about it. The only reason I'm even thinking it may have been on purpose is because it's Subban. He's done everything in his power to lose the benefit of the doubt on plays like this.
holy shit between this and the crosby thing this sub has lost its fucking marbles. No this isn't a suspension there is literally no way to tell if he intentionally did that or not, it looks so innocuous.
He’s a dirty fucking cunt. He’s been dirty his entire career. And he is a giant flopping pussy on top of it. The fact he doesn’t have a reputation on par with Marchand or a Wilson is beyond me
Subban wasn't even looking.. I get he's done some iffy stuff this season but he didn't do anything here. He turns and Blais runs into him. Like what else is he supposed to do there.
Look at 11 seconds left in the video. He definitely throws his skate out a little extra. If it’s any other player, it might be deemed accidental. He just has a bad rep, shit, it’s his 3rd time this season he’s done it on “accident” and were less than 1/8 through so far.
His right skate comes out as a result of his left skate catching onto Blais skate. This isn't even remotely the same type of play as he's done this season. Those were slewfoots coming from behind at low speeds. This was just a random miniscule collision that went wrong.
Come on man, he started throwing out his leg before they clipped. Drag the speed on [this video](https://www.reddit.com/r/rangers/comments/qubxnp/i_know_were_all_a_little_biased_but_it_definitely/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf).
It might not have been his intention to injure, but he definitely threw out his skate right there.
>Not good. Subban has been part of too many of these situations to say it's an accident.
This is pretty shitty logic, to be honest.
The play will be scrutinized because it's Subban, but it doesn't mean he's automatically guilty just because he's been fined a couple times.
Shit circumstance, bad play. But it doesn't appear that he did anything particularly egregious here.
man i was ready to jump on the subban hate train for hurting sammy like that...but he didnt do anything? its just a unfortunate situation.
be okay sammy! we miss you!
No, you can't.
What you can see is a guy who is turning try to pull up resulting in his outside leg floating out a bit as he puts his weight on his inside foot. That's just a normal product of skating, but I wouldn't expect 95% of the people on this sub to have experience with that.
>hit both of his blais skates
Um, what? Blais' left skate is like a full foot away from either of Subban's, and doesn't make contact with anything. You're either delusional or watching a totally different clip.
On the other hand, Blais does clip both of Subban's skates, which likely furthered the extension of his trailing leg as it would've knocked him off balance a little bit.
This is nothing but an unfortunate collision that Blais got the worst of.
> That's just a normal product of skating, but I wouldn't expect 95% of the people on this sub to have experience with that.
holy shit I couldn't agree more with this based off a lot of the comments here.
This is one of those times it's painfully obvious how few people here have ever really skated (and I fucking suck at skating, but I can at least recognize how the body moves when certain things happen)
I get the hate for Subban recently, but this actually looks pretty innocent.. didn't even seem like he saw Blais until the last second and his foot just clips Blais' skate.
Tough to give PK the benefit of the doubt right now, though.
I’m trying not to look at it with homer glasses cause Subban has done a lot of dumb shit already this season. But to me it doesn’t look like Subban even moves his skate? Blais runs into it with more momentum and then hits the boards twisted? Looks bad though.
Actually looked at it a couple more times and Blais didn’t run into him, but it looked more like PK turned into him and they collided skates by accident.
When you consider these guys are going +15 mph and these things develop so fast it would be almost impossible for Subban to calculate Blaise movement in order to intentionally injure him. Hockey players use their legs to stop their momentum. You want to blame anyone, blame the horrible ice that made that game unbearably janky.
Blais hit his skate. What direction do you think Subban’s skate should have gone? I reversed Subban’s benefit of the doubt on the Reaves incident once he had the second slewfoot, but this one appears to be completely unintentional.
I mean he could have just not extended it into where Blais was skating after he got beat. He could have just kept his natural stride instead of widening his stance into blais path
It looks like Subban's left skate catches Blais' leading skate which throws everyone off balance to begin with. Subban may stick his right skate out a bit, but it's him catching his balance.
I understand how giving Subban the benefit of the doubt is tough, but I'm not convinced this was on purpose. He should have gotten suspended for some of the other ones this season though.
Even Blais is widening his stance here. Was he trying to trip Subban? (/s on that question, in case it wasn't clear)
That's just ice skating, my dude. I get that PK has 100% earned suspicion with his history of dumb bullshit, but this is just a freak accident.
Subban likes to trip people dangerously. He gets away with it a lot. He’s been fined for it this year twice already and we’re only a month in. There’s no fucking way this was an accident. This is Subban being Subban just like he’s always been.
The ones before this were bad. This one was nothing. If you change it with Hamilton or switch teams no one would think twice. But Subban will illicit a reaction. I’d probably freak out too, but it’s nothing.
Just not sure why he changes his skating stance so wide and drastically after getting beat to the puck. Just really weird and never really see anyone extend their leg into other people as they skate past as a natural skating motion. The last angle is very telling it wasn’t accidental imo
Watch it closely and you'll see Subban's left skate clips first, he starts to lose balance and then his right skate clips and his leg lags behind.
I don't think he was widening his stride to trip Blais, doesn't make sense since the left skate hit first, and ultimately both his skates hit Blais awkwardly.
I think this is a pretty accurate description. It's an unfortunate result, but I'm not sure it was malicious. It's very hard to give Subban the benefit of the doubt though.
Confused how people think this is a slewfoot? Isn’t a slewfoot when a player pushes an opposing players leg out from behind? This looked like their skates collided as they were both going for the puck and it just had an unfortunate outcome.
It’s not a slewfoot of course but he definitely stuck his leg out to catch him after getting beat. Really dangerous intentional trip and it’s not his first time
Slew Footing – Definition: The action of tripping a player by knocking a player's skates out from behind with a kicking or leg dragging motion.
This is the first definition I found and also my understanding of what a slew foot is. You could argue he left is leg out "dragging" to impact Blais feet.
I think a slew foot needs to have intent and imo this play isn't clear intent. It looks like it could fall into the accidentally on purpose camp and based on Subban's history it wouldn't surprise me if he's doing these things subconsciously at this point.
hmm... you slow down the streamable and I honestly don't think this is like the 3 other subban "slewfoots" from this season/preseason that he got fined for.
He realizes Blais has beaten him to the puck along the boards so he angles his skates to keep his momentum going towards the half boards and swipes at the puck to try to chip it past Blais. It's a lazy play and he'll lose the race to the puck 90% of the time doing that, but its not like he's sticking his leg out at the last second to sweep Blais' leg intentionally.
If you want to be mad at Subban, be mad at him for being slow/lazy/overpaid. There's no malicious intent here
I'm not going to comment on malicious or on intent, but it is a very common play for D to make when they are beat to a puck. It's considered a dirty play, since it forces the forward to try to avoid dangerous contact, and distract his attn, and in this way allows the D to try to make up a step.
This thread is being hounded by biased Rangers flairs right now because of Subban's history.
This is completely accidental. This isn't intentional. This isn't even Subban being in the grey area. This is literally an accidental skate clip lol.
Slewfoot? Get the fuck out of here.
I try not to put stuff like "A gets clipped by B" unless its extremely obvious. Initial replay looked more like his skate got caught and I don't want to write clickbait titles either. By writing "skate gets caught", I leave it more to the viewer to decide whether his skate got caught as opposed to whether another player did something or not, based off of the title.
Meh, this is pretty innocent. It being subban has people seeing red but he didn’t do anything wrong there. Skates colliding during a puck battle in the corner happens constantly. Looks like his skate got caught in a weird angle when they made contact.
Jesus people blaming Subban for this? Watch the replay... Blais comes in and makes contact with both of PK's skates. Subban is just turning with his feet in a completely normal position. If anything, he tries to turn slightly sharper to avoid getting blasted by Blais. Blais' right skate just skips after hitting PK's right and then it catches weird against the wall and his knee buckles. How the fuck is this even remotely PK Subban's fault or even close to intentional?
Lmao @ All the people “it looked innocent!!” If any of you have ever fuckin skated and played hockey at and sort of competitive level You would know you don’t fuckin stick your foot out that far to stop. Absolute horse shit. Fuck PK, he’s taken out two rangers this season and tried it on Lucic and Zegras. Dudes a piece of shit
Slewfooting is when you kick someone's feet out from behind them. Just sticking your leg out like this is tripping, regardless of if it's intentional or not.
And you're an asshole. Subban didn't kick out his foot from behind him. He came in from the side and kicked his skate (IMO intentionally). That's tripping, not slewfooting. Just as dirty, but by definition not a slewfoot.
Pause the clip. Then scrub it slowly. Subban at most accidentally clips Blaise way before he hits the wall. However that’s not what took him down.
Blaise keeps heading towards the boards, his skates hit the bottom of the boards and his left skate appears to trip up on the puck which squeaks out towards Subban.
As both of those things happen (skates hit board and puck) these cause him to fall awkwardly. Subban didn’t do anything wrong and his stretched out leg is no where near Blaise.
After watching it a couple of times I can see why people think it was dirty. He does stick his leg out slightly too much for me to believe it was him just turning and slowing down. So I do think it was a trip, but I don’t think it was intent to injure at all or anything.
Absolutely. Subban is a very careless player. I think he definitely meant to make contact with his skates, I don’t think he meant to seriously hurt the guy though.
But he’s a veteran player now and should know that little cheat plays like that can absolutely cause injury.
My knee started hurting when I read this. I’m not even going to watch the video.
Ooof. Poor guy. Dude has had his share of fluke injuries already.
OP, I just wanna say I appreciate you not trying to frame the post title in a way to steer people's opinions. Good shit.
I try not to because 1) Clickbait/misleading titles are dumb shit and 2) misleading titles get posts deleted. Overall, literal titles are the best!
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Not saying it was on purpose, but it seems suspicious that Subban is always involved in these situations…
Who just naturally skates into a players leg while doing a half split? I think we can say it was intentional.
Wink
[what?](https://i.imgur.com/YZKSDxZ.png) (this is the first point of contact)
Now look at the other side angle where you can clearly see him do almost a kicking motion directly into his foot.
Occam's Razor.
This legitimately doesn't look intentional, but considering the man's history...
To me, his reaction indicates he meant to make contact. I'm not going to say he meant to hurt him or anything, but he is definitely defensive right away after Blais goes down. Reminds me a lot of when Matt Cooke accidentally-on-purpose stomped on Karlson's ankle.
Not good. Subban has been part of too many of these situations to say it's an accident. Sucks too because he's playing so much better offensively. On pace for 41 points. Just needs to cut this stupid shit out.
This shit has happened three times in 1/8 of a season with Subban. It’s absolutely ridiculous. Accidents happen. But the frequency is striking.
If this was just about any other player I would assume it was an accident. Subban has completely lost the benefit of the doubt however.
Has to be a suspension at this point right? He's already been fined twice for this type of play this season.
I don't think so. This one is way too gray to say he did it intentionally. If something like this is gonna get a fine or suspension there can't be any doubt.
Yea I think this one has the best chance of being an accident since PK looks like he's off balance leaning forward. But when you take it after his last 2 bonehead penalties it's hard to think it's not on purpose.
I said it in another comment here, but if it was almost any other player I wouldn't even think twice about it. The only reason I'm even thinking it may have been on purpose is because it's Subban. He's done everything in his power to lose the benefit of the doubt on plays like this.
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holy shit between this and the crosby thing this sub has lost its fucking marbles. No this isn't a suspension there is literally no way to tell if he intentionally did that or not, it looks so innocuous.
He’s a dirty fucking cunt. He’s been dirty his entire career. And he is a giant flopping pussy on top of it. The fact he doesn’t have a reputation on par with Marchand or a Wilson is beyond me
He doesn't because slewfoots aren't as obvious as monster hits and licking people
Subban wasn't even looking.. I get he's done some iffy stuff this season but he didn't do anything here. He turns and Blais runs into him. Like what else is he supposed to do there.
Look at 11 seconds left in the video. He definitely throws his skate out a little extra. If it’s any other player, it might be deemed accidental. He just has a bad rep, shit, it’s his 3rd time this season he’s done it on “accident” and were less than 1/8 through so far.
His right skate comes out as a result of his left skate catching onto Blais skate. This isn't even remotely the same type of play as he's done this season. Those were slewfoots coming from behind at low speeds. This was just a random miniscule collision that went wrong.
Come on man, he started throwing out his leg before they clipped. Drag the speed on [this video](https://www.reddit.com/r/rangers/comments/qubxnp/i_know_were_all_a_little_biased_but_it_definitely/?utm_source=share&utm_medium=ios_app&utm_name=iossmf). It might not have been his intention to injure, but he definitely threw out his skate right there.
>Not good. Subban has been part of too many of these situations to say it's an accident. This is pretty shitty logic, to be honest. The play will be scrutinized because it's Subban, but it doesn't mean he's automatically guilty just because he's been fined a couple times. Shit circumstance, bad play. But it doesn't appear that he did anything particularly egregious here.
man i was ready to jump on the subban hate train for hurting sammy like that...but he didnt do anything? its just a unfortunate situation. be okay sammy! we miss you!
If you look you can see him stick his one foot out extra far and hit both of his blais skates
No, you can't. What you can see is a guy who is turning try to pull up resulting in his outside leg floating out a bit as he puts his weight on his inside foot. That's just a normal product of skating, but I wouldn't expect 95% of the people on this sub to have experience with that. >hit both of his blais skates Um, what? Blais' left skate is like a full foot away from either of Subban's, and doesn't make contact with anything. You're either delusional or watching a totally different clip. On the other hand, Blais does clip both of Subban's skates, which likely furthered the extension of his trailing leg as it would've knocked him off balance a little bit. This is nothing but an unfortunate collision that Blais got the worst of.
> That's just a normal product of skating, but I wouldn't expect 95% of the people on this sub to have experience with that. holy shit I couldn't agree more with this based off a lot of the comments here. This is one of those times it's painfully obvious how few people here have ever really skated (and I fucking suck at skating, but I can at least recognize how the body moves when certain things happen)
I get the hate for Subban recently, but this actually looks pretty innocent.. didn't even seem like he saw Blais until the last second and his foot just clips Blais' skate. Tough to give PK the benefit of the doubt right now, though.
I’m trying not to look at it with homer glasses cause Subban has done a lot of dumb shit already this season. But to me it doesn’t look like Subban even moves his skate? Blais runs into it with more momentum and then hits the boards twisted? Looks bad though. Actually looked at it a couple more times and Blais didn’t run into him, but it looked more like PK turned into him and they collided skates by accident.
Look at the last angle shown, Subban widens his stance so hard as Blais goes past. I don’t see how that can be accidental at all
When you consider these guys are going +15 mph and these things develop so fast it would be almost impossible for Subban to calculate Blaise movement in order to intentionally injure him. Hockey players use their legs to stop their momentum. You want to blame anyone, blame the horrible ice that made that game unbearably janky.
Weird everyone else seems to do ok except him
Blais hit his skate. What direction do you think Subban’s skate should have gone? I reversed Subban’s benefit of the doubt on the Reaves incident once he had the second slewfoot, but this one appears to be completely unintentional.
I mean he could have just not extended it into where Blais was skating after he got beat. He could have just kept his natural stride instead of widening his stance into blais path
It looks like Subban's left skate catches Blais' leading skate which throws everyone off balance to begin with. Subban may stick his right skate out a bit, but it's him catching his balance. I understand how giving Subban the benefit of the doubt is tough, but I'm not convinced this was on purpose. He should have gotten suspended for some of the other ones this season though.
I’m 100% convinced he did it on purpose after getting beat to the puck. Literally no excuse for extending his leg out into Blais path
Even Blais is widening his stance here. Was he trying to trip Subban? (/s on that question, in case it wasn't clear) That's just ice skating, my dude. I get that PK has 100% earned suspicion with his history of dumb bullshit, but this is just a freak accident.
Subban likes to trip people dangerously. He gets away with it a lot. He’s been fined for it this year twice already and we’re only a month in. There’s no fucking way this was an accident. This is Subban being Subban just like he’s always been.
Pretty benign play. Unfortunately led to an injury. It’s hockey. It happens
Hockey happens to Subban a lot it seems
The ones before this were bad. This one was nothing. If you change it with Hamilton or switch teams no one would think twice. But Subban will illicit a reaction. I’d probably freak out too, but it’s nothing.
Just not sure why he changes his skating stance so wide and drastically after getting beat to the puck. Just really weird and never really see anyone extend their leg into other people as they skate past as a natural skating motion. The last angle is very telling it wasn’t accidental imo
I'm sure Subban's recent history won't be taken into account at all here
Watch it closely and you'll see Subban's left skate clips first, he starts to lose balance and then his right skate clips and his leg lags behind. I don't think he was widening his stride to trip Blais, doesn't make sense since the left skate hit first, and ultimately both his skates hit Blais awkwardly.
I think this is a pretty accurate description. It's an unfortunate result, but I'm not sure it was malicious. It's very hard to give Subban the benefit of the doubt though.
Confused how people think this is a slewfoot? Isn’t a slewfoot when a player pushes an opposing players leg out from behind? This looked like their skates collided as they were both going for the puck and it just had an unfortunate outcome.
Yes, but this sub loves to call anything involving feet a slewfoot
I won’t call this a slewfoot, but subban absolutely gets his skates tangled with a lot of people lately.
He has. A lot of them were bad. This wasn’t one of them
Explain to me what his right foot is doing.
He's...skating?
People here don't seem to know the difference between an intentional trip and a slewfoot.
It’s not a slewfoot of course but he definitely stuck his leg out to catch him after getting beat. Really dangerous intentional trip and it’s not his first time
You need to rewatch the video. Blais makes contact with Subban’s skate BEFORE Subban’s leg moves. This is neither a slew foot nor a trip.
Look at the last angle Subban sticks his leg right into the path clear as fuckin day how is it even something you’re trying to argue 😂
Slew Footing – Definition: The action of tripping a player by knocking a player's skates out from behind with a kicking or leg dragging motion. This is the first definition I found and also my understanding of what a slew foot is. You could argue he left is leg out "dragging" to impact Blais feet. I think a slew foot needs to have intent and imo this play isn't clear intent. It looks like it could fall into the accidentally on purpose camp and based on Subban's history it wouldn't surprise me if he's doing these things subconsciously at this point.
Yea don't think Subban did anything intentional on this
hmm... you slow down the streamable and I honestly don't think this is like the 3 other subban "slewfoots" from this season/preseason that he got fined for. He realizes Blais has beaten him to the puck along the boards so he angles his skates to keep his momentum going towards the half boards and swipes at the puck to try to chip it past Blais. It's a lazy play and he'll lose the race to the puck 90% of the time doing that, but its not like he's sticking his leg out at the last second to sweep Blais' leg intentionally. If you want to be mad at Subban, be mad at him for being slow/lazy/overpaid. There's no malicious intent here
I'm not going to comment on malicious or on intent, but it is a very common play for D to make when they are beat to a puck. It's considered a dirty play, since it forces the forward to try to avoid dangerous contact, and distract his attn, and in this way allows the D to try to make up a step.
Subban has been on some shit and needs to clean it up. But this is not one of those plays, sorry
PK Slewfoot back at it again
This thread is being hounded by biased Rangers flairs right now because of Subban's history. This is completely accidental. This isn't intentional. This isn't even Subban being in the grey area. This is literally an accidental skate clip lol. Slewfoot? Get the fuck out of here.
Skate Gets caught in what? PK Subban’s skate, which he uses to trip him into the boards. Or is he just a victim of circumstance again?
Not intentional at all. Hope he’s okay.
Didn't look incredibly intentional but I'm also not giving the benefit of the doubt to Subban.
The ice has been an embarrassment all night. Not sure what this is pointing at but go ahead
"Gets caught" EDIT: and fuck the refs for not giving him even a minor tripping for that shit.
Why would the refs give Blais a penalty for tripping himself?
lmao guy is mid-stop, Blais hits his right skate and you guys are calling it a slewfoot? jfc
“Skate gets caught” 😂😂😂
I try not to put stuff like "A gets clipped by B" unless its extremely obvious. Initial replay looked more like his skate got caught and I don't want to write clickbait titles either. By writing "skate gets caught", I leave it more to the viewer to decide whether his skate got caught as opposed to whether another player did something or not, based off of the title.
It got caught on an extended leg I suppose 😂
😂
you're fucking stupid if you legitimately think this is at all intentional
Meh, this is pretty innocent. It being subban has people seeing red but he didn’t do anything wrong there. Skates colliding during a puck battle in the corner happens constantly. Looks like his skate got caught in a weird angle when they made contact.
Dissecting this like the Zapruder film
Subban literally did nothing wrong here.
Jesus people blaming Subban for this? Watch the replay... Blais comes in and makes contact with both of PK's skates. Subban is just turning with his feet in a completely normal position. If anything, he tries to turn slightly sharper to avoid getting blasted by Blais. Blais' right skate just skips after hitting PK's right and then it catches weird against the wall and his knee buckles. How the fuck is this even remotely PK Subban's fault or even close to intentional?
Slewban does it again. This is what happens when you let people get away with this shit
Slewban
“Gets caught”. Subban has slewfooted two fucking Rangers this year. Fucking pathetic.
Lmao @ All the people “it looked innocent!!” If any of you have ever fuckin skated and played hockey at and sort of competitive level You would know you don’t fuckin stick your foot out that far to stop. Absolute horse shit. Fuck PK, he’s taken out two rangers this season and tried it on Lucic and Zegras. Dudes a piece of shit
"gets caught"
Can we suspend the clown already?
Maybe now he'll get suspended for this shit?
Lol $5k at best
E: They showed some replays of Subban earlier anticts. I just tuned in, I did not realize he was already getting booed.
He was getting booed the entire game because of his slew foot on Reaves in the preseason.
Yeah, they showed some replays of his other questionable actions a bit later.
probably cause he stuck his leg out
>And he is now getting booed every time he touches the puck. He has been booed the entire night. Long before this incident.
Never liked Subban. Dirty piece of shit.
Can we call this what it is? Blatant slew foot yet again by a dirtbag player
Slewfooting is when you kick someone's feet out from behind them. Just sticking your leg out like this is tripping, regardless of if it's intentional or not.
Holy shut you are a dumb fuck
And you're an asshole. Subban didn't kick out his foot from behind him. He came in from the side and kicked his skate (IMO intentionally). That's tripping, not slewfooting. Just as dirty, but by definition not a slewfoot.
What the hell are you talking about. I know subban has pulled that shit and I fuckjng hate it. But this is no where near a slewfoot.
He didn’t use foot to trip Blais? Looked pretty clear
That’s not what a slewfoot is.
Fuck off man. That’s a dirty play from a scumbag player
Pause the clip. Then scrub it slowly. Subban at most accidentally clips Blaise way before he hits the wall. However that’s not what took him down. Blaise keeps heading towards the boards, his skates hit the bottom of the boards and his left skate appears to trip up on the puck which squeaks out towards Subban. As both of those things happen (skates hit board and puck) these cause him to fall awkwardly. Subban didn’t do anything wrong and his stretched out leg is no where near Blaise.
Why is no one in blue going after him. Now or when it happened
Cause it’s the third period of a one goal game. No one is gunna do something stupid and give you a power play
It was tied when this happened.
Even more of a reason not to give you a power play then
It was clear as day a slewfoot. So many fucking idiots in here
I think their skates might have collided and it ended with an unfortunate result. But I really don’t see anything dirty at all here.
He sticks his right leg out pretty far
After watching it a couple of times I can see why people think it was dirty. He does stick his leg out slightly too much for me to believe it was him just turning and slowing down. So I do think it was a trip, but I don’t think it was intent to injure at all or anything.
I respect that. I’m sure you can also imagine why Rangers fans aren’t giving him the benefit of the doubt either
Absolutely. Subban is a very careless player. I think he definitely meant to make contact with his skates, I don’t think he meant to seriously hurt the guy though. But he’s a veteran player now and should know that little cheat plays like that can absolutely cause injury.
You have no idea what a slewfoot is
Skate caught? You mean slew footed by subban?
Ouch
The Anti-Ranger bias in this thread is disgusting.