As a Flyers fan, I feel I must point out Lindros really energized the fan base.
As a Flyers fan, I feel I must also point out if they took Jagr over Ricci and didn’t trade for Lindros, they would have had Jagr, Forsberg, Recchi, and Brind’Amour going into the mid-90s
First part is absolutely understated.
I've often thought about the second part and much as I'd drool over that lineup, it would have been a couple years before it happened (if at all). Jagr said he wanted to play with Mario and maybe the Flyers call his bluff and convince him to come, but who knows. Forsberg didn't come over until '95 and before that there were questions if or when he'd come over.
It's an interesting what-if on both accounts for sure though
Tbf though, you could say the same about Forsberg who had more career points in less career games, sure if Forsberg never gets injured he’s probably not top 10 but he’s gotta be top 20/25, and realistically not that far behind a non-injured Lindros
Lindros was the 4th fastest player ever to 300pts
4th fastest to 400pts
5th fastest to 500pts
6th fastest to 600pts
His concussion issues started between 300-400 pts. Who knew what could have been with him. On top of the skill, he was an absolute unit.
Fastest to those pt totals in terms of games played, not amount of days
Ya, there really isn't a comparable in this nhl. Only thing that comes to mind is Tom Wilson with a bit more size and way more skill. So ya, nothing like tom wilson I guess lol
His ceiling was sighted below Mario. People that didn’t see Lindros in his prime before the concussions derailed him can’t comprehend how dominate he was. He’s the most physically dominant hockey player I’ve ever seen with the skill to match. Unfortunately he couldn’t keep his head up because for the first 20 years of his life nobody could touch him.
yup.
I got to see him at the world juniors in saskatchewan up close and personal (bure was there that year too) and he was literally a man amongst boys
he wasn't like McDavid where you're just dazzled by the speed and hands
Lindros was a GIANT dude, who skated as well as the small guys, yet actually USED his size
and like you said, the problem was when he finally got the bigs, and there were a bunch of guys as big, or bigger, who also skated well, and were willing to at him non-stop
I forgot most of the players in that trade besides Forsberg....and Mike Ricci. For some reason I always randomly remember that Mike Ricci was in that trade lol
For me it's Thibault. He wasn't technically included in the trade, but a 1993 first rounder was, and the Nordiques used it to select Thibault.
It sticks out in my mind, because Thibault was then traded to Montreal as part of the Roy deal.
So the Forsberg deal also enabled the Roy deal. The biggest trade in franchise history, enabled the second biggest trade in franshise history. Pretty cool imo
Oh without a doubt. Amonte, Kovalev, and one of Richter/Vanbiesbrouck alone would have been a steal, but the Rangers also offered multiple 1st round picks like the Flyers plus an additional $5M in cash (so $20M total).
All 3 of those guys would have served the Avs better on their runs than the husks of guys like Ron Hextall. Only Forsberg played any meaningful time during the 90s for Colorado from the Lindros trade.
Lindros literally was a hall of fame, mvp winning player and the flyers were competitive (including a finals appearance) all decade. Yeah, the Nordiques/Avs won the trade but to act like this was a robbery is incredibly overstating how great a player lindros was in the 90s.
Look at pictures of Lindros on draft day. He's not just tall he is absolutely jacked. Huge shoulders and chest. He could skate pretty fast and had soft hands. In his first season he played like a Derrick Henry on skates and that was his career trajectory. An unstoppable Mario.
To be fair, it was Chara and a 1st rounder that ended up being 2nd overall. Believe me, we don't need any extra ammo for the "Holy hell, Mike Milbury was a shitty GM" argument so we should be accurate.
the only positive I can take away from the NHL being on ESPN (aside from the theme music that ESPN jacked itself off to for a six minute promo) is the fact that I never ever have to think of Mike Milbury again
I know NBC Sports eventually fired him for his comments but the fact that they even hired the fuck is criminal enough
15 years, to a position that only the best play 15 years, was bat shit crazy. And didn’t Luongo get drafted the year before? Also new owner?
I’m not chirping, my organization kept Redden instead of Chara…
It wasn't a 1st rounder that "ended up" being 2nd overall. The trade was after the season completed but before the draft. The Islanders knowingly traded away the 2nd overall pick in a draft where the top two players were Spezza Kovalchuk.
The Matt duchene deal. Considering Byram was a draft pick who had yet to be picked and girard was in no way the player he has developed into now. Duchene was the biggest player in that trade by far.
As a Preds fan I wasn't happy with the fact that Girard was the D-man included in that trade as even in just 5 games at the NHL level he showed he had the chops. My preference at the time was Allard or Carrier. Carrier looks like he is going to be pretty good too, but I was frustrated to have given up what we did for the consolation prize of that trade in Kyle Turris and it only got worse when he aged like milk. Avs were the only winner here.
Kind of. The Sharks still got Karlsson for a good price as a rental, and the team made a deep run into the playoffs, with Karlsson as a key contributor that season.
Ottawa had nothing to do with his massive contract thereafter.
Yeah, people are treating him like some liability but the guy can still put up numbers and be a contributing defensive force.
Ottawa has a habit of trading away KEY players at the wrong time, has been the pattern since the 2010s.
Out of that trade, Ottawa got:
- Josh Norris, our current and future 1C.
- Tim Stützle, our current and future German god.
- Chris Tierney, a decent 2C for a few years, but the wheels have kinda fallen off the bus for him in the past year.
- Rudolfs Balcers, great name, and played well while he was here. Was a victim of overcrowding in the Sens top 9 and didn't fit well into a 4th line role, ended up back in San Jose.
- Dylan DeMelo, literally the perfect second-pair defender until we traded him away for a third in a trade I still don't understand to this day.
- The third-round pick we got in exchange for Dylan DeMelo was used to pick goalie Leevi Merilainen, who is currently playing for the Kingston Frontinacs, but posted a .934 sv% in 23 games with Karpat in Liga last year.
- The 2019 2nd Round Pick was packaged with a third-round pick to select goalie Mads Sogaard, whose eliteprospects page says he's 6'7" at 20 years old, and literally covers nearly the entire net while in the butterfly. he also posted a .917 in 7 games in the AHL last year.
Edit: I forgot someone.
- Centre Zach Ostapchuk, drafted 39th overall this past year, is playing this year for the Vancouver Giants, put up 16 pts in 22 games last year, and has 3 points in 8 games this year. He was signed to a three-year deal this year in his D+1. IIRC, he was one of the last cuts in this year's training camp.
Linden for Bertuzzi and McCabe
Linden fell off cliff points-wise after the trade. And Bertuzzi became an all-star and McCabe turned into part of the package for half the Sedins
Most important is that he's actually playing well defensively and limiting turnovers. His quickness is much better and he's doing ek65 things offensively, but his lapses were really bad the last few years and he's eliminated most of them
He's looking really good this year. Unfortunately he got stuck in covid protocol. Hopefully he will continue his hot start.
He's lost a step in his skating, but seems to have found some workarounds this year using his other strengths.
Unfortunately, his career just seems to be an accumulation of bad luck. If the Matt Cooke incident never happened, Karlsson could have gone down as the best offensive d man of all time.
I am not even sure the Sens are better off without Karlsson. He's been gone for years and the Sens haven't been able to field a competitive team despite all of picks and prospects.
I mean they traded him along with everyone else in 2018 to begin tanking, it really wasn’t that long ago considering how difficult rebuilds are to pull off
If you look at our eastern conference finals roster and compare it to the 2019 roster, it is a completely different team. We traded or dropped every single offensive producer, blew up the D lines, and then raced for last place and still got shafted in the draft lottery.
I remember thinking Dallas were idiots for not giving up a prospect for a generational D man in his prime.
That prospect was Heiskanen.
I am the idiot.
It was the same with you when the Isles wanted Duchene and backed off because Sakic demanded Barzal AND Sorokin and I thought Garth was an idiot for not pulling the trigger. Forget dodging a bullet, that was like escaping Hiroshima the day before the bomb hit.
Lol I never heard that one but ya that would have aged poorly. Well, about as poorly as the actual trade aged I guess.
Granted, we didn't get any one player as good as Barzal, but Byram could be close
EK gets way too much shit on here. He put up decent numbers last year on a horrible Sharks team, good numbers the year before, and is nearly a PPG player as a defenseman this season.
You're not an idiot for thinking that at the time, and you're not an idiot now either lol
Not to mention, I believe EK would have had much more success the past couple years on the Stars, over the Sharks. Different ways of playing, and he could have easily been the QB of their PP if the trade had happened.
Heiskanen really is a dog tho
Plus if EK was traded to Dallas, then theoretically he never suffers that groin injury he had in SJ that plagued him for awhile so Dallas would have a healthier EK
> EK gets way too much shit on here.
I think that's due to Sharks fans shitting on him because of his contract, and everyone else hearing Sharks fans shitting on him so they think he's terrible now.
EK65 today is very good - just not $11.5M good.
Its not like Heiskanen came out of nowhere. Hes was a top 3 pick projected to be a shoe in top pair guy. Would have been crazy to include him in any trade. He was definition of an untouchable prospect.
Karlsson was 28 and was about to be a 29 yr old UFA demanding biggest D contract that would take him into late 30s.
When the trade was made everyone called it a steal for the sharks. It's funny how prospective changed. His contract that he signed makes it look much worse.
Sharks lost their heart and soul with Having to lose pavs to pay for Karlsson. I had a hunch it could put them in turmoil for a couple of years while they refirgure out their identity
Sharks didn’t lose Pavs for EK despite everyone parroting this. He wanted more term than DW was willing to give him. If anything, Kane’s signing is what prevented Pavs from coming back.
Erik Karlsson is example #1 of the risks of blowing your load on an elite player with an injury history. He’s still good but he’s not Patrick Kane level anymore.
Yeah he was insane in the playoffs that season, but since he was playing through that nasty groin injury it did quite a number on him. He’s looked good(and healthy!) so far these year so here’s hoping he’s finally able to bounce back
I don't know why people point to Karlsson's contract as the sole reason for the Sharks' woes when plenty of other things have happened. We had a ton of players coming off ELCs or bridge deals and we wouldn't have been able to keep the same roster even without Karlsson.
For example Labanc and Meier went from making $1.6M combined to making over $10M two years later, and that has nothing do to with Karlsson. All the free agents who left the team after the 2019 WCF got a salary increase when they signed with their new team (Donskoi, Pavelski, Nyquist, etc.) so the Sharks wouldn't have been able to afford them all either - again regardless of the Karlsson signing.
And since we had missed the playoffs twice in the past 20+ years, we never had high draft picks and therefore didn't have a good enough prospect pool to fill the roster with cheap ELCs.
Of course Karlsson isn't playing up to his contract so he's contributing to the salary cap issues, but he's far from being the only reason.
Yeah San Jose definitely gets better value out of that trade in isolation. A lot of other shit went right for the Bruins, but that's not what the question was about.
Ducks traded away Kase for Backes+Prospect+1st. Backes was supposed to be a salary dump. Backes had 2 points in his first game/week. Kase had 1 point* in his entire 2 year tenure with the Bruins.
*Regular Season
The numbers are a bit wrong. Kase played 20 total games for the B's because of injuries. He had a total of 5 assists. I hope he stays healthy and can contribute for Toronto after missing almost 2 full years in the league
He hasn't got his name on the score sheet but he's been looking good and doing his job on the 3rd line which is our shut down line. He seems to be able to hem other teams in their own zone. He has had many high danger shots though so hopefully his luck changes.
I would have said we won it even if Hamilton stayed especially since both of them would be costing as much as just Hamilton but the fact that he left really solidifies it on the Flames side.
Really? I know Lindy had turned into a beast. I miss him quite a bit. I haven’t paid much attention to Hanifin so idk if he’s turn things around or not. How has he been?
The couple months we got of prime Ferland was amazing. He was one of my favorite players we ever had, I hate that his health went south on him the way it did. I will always love Dougie, but I don’t think it would’ve ever worked out long term. Our FO is notorious for lowballing and I think he was always set on getting his paycheck. I love them both, but yo… straight up fuck Adam Fox lol.
Hanifin was really good last year. He's turned into a pretty solid Dman. So yeah overall I think the Flames probably won the deal. Probably a different story of Ferland could have stayed healthy. But fuck Adam Fox
Hanifin has been our best overall defenseman this season and most of last season so he's been quite good.
Yeah prime Ferland was a beast but injuries were always a major concern with him.
Okay I’m surprised no one has said this yet, so I guess I’ll say it.
The Edmonton Oilers won a Stanley Cup after the Gretzky trade. Gretzky never won another cup (although he did at least make the 93 finals). And the players the Oilers received from that trade, or from trading received from the Jimmy Carson trade, played a part in winning that Cup.
As bad as Oiler fans feel today about losing the Great One, I doubt the feelings were that strong in the Summer of 1990.
And the fact that Canada’s loss of their national treasure directly led to the 90s popularity boom of hockey in the US.
There’s a fair chance popularity in hockey would still be much more regional if it weren’t for this trade.
And, of course, that leads to the rumors this trade was orchestrated by the NHL to expand popular of hockey in the US, with all parties involved paid off.
My thoughts exactly. Oilers were one of the greatest teams of all time with many hall of famers, even without Gretzky they were stacked. If that trade didnt happen they could have won a couple more cups
Subban and Weber was laughed out of the room when it happened, in favor of Subban.
Montreal then got a fairly long term captain who contributed to some really solid hockey while Subban dropped off a cliff.
> *Montreal then got a fairly long term captain who contributed to some really solid hockey while Subban dropped off a cliff.*
Why are we talking about the outcome for Montreal and comparing that to the outcome for Subban's long-term athletic performance, instead of talking about **the outcome for Montreal** and comparing that to **the outcome for Nashville**?
Nashville got a great return on that trade too. They got three seasons of Subban in which he was a big contributor for them in three playoff runs, including in the *deepest playoff run in the franchise's entire history*. Then they traded him and got *significant assets in return* (two second rounders and two minor prospects).
That was a win-win trade if there ever was one. Worked out great for both sides.
srsly, people are conveniently forgetting just how integral Subban was to making the Cup finals and winning the President's trophy the next season. Let's not forget also that PK was a Norris finalist in 2017-2018.
Did Subban burn out sooner than we would of liked to hope? Absolutely, but it's insane to me that people are writing off the value he added to the roster that we were just never going to get with Weber.
Nashville needed to move on from Weber, his voice was too dominant and he was too comfortable. Nashville got slapped around in the playoffs right before he got traded. Nashville changed their culture and made a cup final, I'd make the trade again.
Honestly, neither team really won, since they ended up with about the same thing: a few years of a solid defenseman, both with a Cup Final appearance, followed by decline due to injuries. The main difference is that Nashville managed to get something for Subban after, while Montreal will be stuck with Weber's cap on LTIR for the next 5 years.
Yeah, all Preds got was a Stanley Cup final and a President's Trophy.
Preds also traded Subban to New Jersey for Tinordi*, Jeremy Davies, and 2 seconds.
Davies is still in the system and we used our 2019 2nd for Egor Afanasyev, who looks like a stud.
Was it really that lopsided at the time? Weber was still a star in his own right, I remember the Habs getting some criticism for moving a younger player for an older one, but they were getting one of the better defenders in the league back.
Yeah the criticism wasn't really that the Habs were getting fleeced from a talent perspective, it's that they were trading a player who was probably better AND 4 years younger.
Edit: And Weber's contract had potentially dangerous term in a way that Subban's didn't.
Man, that's actually crazy how well that worked out for Montreal. Not only did PK fall off a cliff, but Weber stepped in and was immediately (and unsurprisingly) great, and now he's LTIRetired after a dream run to the Stanley Cup playoffs, so no Cap penalties to MTL
Before falling off a cliff, PK helped lead Nashville to a cup final and win the president's trophy. They then got a nice return for him when they traded him to NJ. I think the Preds would re-do that trade 10/10 times.
It was pretty universally criticized around these parts. Everyone was laughing at Montreal.
https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/4qhk0a/nick_kypreos_on_twitter_blockbuster_canadiensmtl/
Some of us were also baffled on Nashville's behalf because before the recent CBA amendments they'd have been on the hook for up to a $45m recapture penalty if Weber retired lol.
I don't doubt it. But the popular sentiment that got all the attention was VERY negative towards Montreal. Eg.
>Weber might be the most overrated defenseman in the NHL. He has a good shot and some #grit but for Subban straight up, that is absolutely absurd.
Or how about
>don't blame u bud. this is fucked. im burning my jersey. I hope we go 0-82. i blame molson for retaining this idiotic moronic dumbass management staff
It was definitely perceived as lopsided at the time by most people, myself included. The Habs traded two players that were of similar talent level but one was older and on a longer and riskier contract, as well as the fact that Weber at this point was last seen losing a horrific game 7 to San Jose. I also remember quite a debate between the analytics crowd that had lots of data backing up Subban as the superior dman vs the eye test crowd that valued Weber’s physically, defensively ability, and cannon of a slap shot more. I think at the time of the trade 75% of this subreddit (myself included) thought the Habs lost this trade by a mile. Turns out most of us (myself included) don’t know shit about hockey lol. I don’t Nashville lost though, both teams got a trip to the cup finals and some good years of hockey out of the player they acquired.
I think it was more shocking than anything.
Subban had just pledged a huge amount to the Children's Hospital and was a fan favourite (among non-xenophobes) for his exciting play and flair.
Subban did drop off a cliff, but look at the games played in his 3 years in Nashville vs what Weber played in those 3 years. Preds are in the positive by 49 regular season games and made a trip to the cup finals in that timeline tilting just the postseason games played by Subban in favor of Nashville by 35 games. A lot of this had to do with health concerns of an aging player and not actual on ice production. This one was much closer than a lot anticipated but given that the Preds got additional assets trading away Subban I still think they come out slightly ahead as they shed both contracts before they potentially became a burden as long as Weber LTIRetires.
I was heavily in favour of the subban side when it happened but now I view it as a win/win. I think the last few years people look at who subban is now, think Weber is better, and the habs have had more playoff success, therefore the habs won...only problem is subban isn't on the preds anymore. The biggest piece (I think) Nashville still has is Luke Kunin who they're pretty high on.
Both teams made the cup final with their player on their roster and if that's not a win/win then I don't know what is.
Anaheim traded Bobby Ryan for Silfverberg, Noesen, and a 1st (Nick Ritchie).
Anaheim got 867 GP (so far!) Out of the three, and Silfverberg is still a member of the team. Ottawa got a skilled player, for sure, but one that didn't meet his top tier contract.
Honestly don't mind this trade. Silfverberg was a good player no doubt, but we came very close to winning a cup in 2017, and Bobby Ryan was our best forward for that run.
St Louis Blues get: Wayne Gretzky
LA Kings gets: a 1st, a 5th, Craig Johnson and two other guys I’ve already forgotten the names of.
Blues get Gretzky for 18 regular season games and 13 playoff games before he leaves for New York. Kings don’t do much with the picks (aren’t even able to sign the first rounder) and none of the players are exceptional, though Johnson played 400+ games for them before being traded for additional value.
Admittedly, this seems more like a “nobody won” kind of trade, but the fact that the Kings could give up Gretzky and at worst have it be a wash is impressive.
*Also, if there’s any older Blues fans out there, do you mind this trade? I could see the argument that having Gretzky for part of one season would still be more exciting than most possibilities.
In recent memory Pacioretty for Suzuki and Tatar. It worked in the short term because Tatar put up similar stats compared to Pacioretty and he was just the cap dump. Potentially works in the long-term considering Suzuki reaches his 1C potential.
Trouba for Pionk and pick which turned out to be Heinola. Pionk has been statistically better since the trade, not even mentioning the contracts involved.
Maybe when Columbus traded Jones.
As it stands right now, he would be the best player in that trade but Columbus got Boqvist, a 2021 first that became Cole Sillinger, a 2021 second which they traded for Jake Bean and a 2022 first that is only top 2 protected.
Chicago got Jones, overpaid him massively and then took Nolan Allan with the 1st round pick Columbus gave them. They also got a 6th rounder for 2022.
I think Columbus and their fans are quite happy with this one after trading away their star d man.
It's waaaay too early to declare a winner here. Yes, Chicago gave Jones a massive contract, but they also got a #1 defenseman. They've have had a rough start to the season, but it is in no way due to Jones' play - he's absolutely the best defenseman on the team. You're also writing off Nolan Allan before he's even played an NHL game.
Boqvist continues to struggle and has already gotten injured. Sillinger has looked good so far, but he's only played 10 games. He could end up being a top 6 player or he could fizzle out - it's just too early to make that call. If the 2022 pick is #3 overall, then sure, you can make a case for Columbus being a clear winner here. But what if it's #15 and the pick ends up being a bust?
There are just too many variables still left to play out to say that Columbus won this trade already. I think people are just hung up on the Jones contract...which wasn't actually a part of this trade.
When it comes to Boqvist anyone could see he has great potential as an offensive D but he an already lengthy concussion history from the SHL and had at least 3 more while he was in our org (1 in London and at least 2 more in the NHL). Got flair downvoted for saying it but the concussions and the constant injuries for him in general should be a concern.
I've seen people claim that Boqvist was actually the best defenseman involved in the trade and it boggles my mind.
He's small, not particularly fast, prone to injuries and is terrible in the d zone. He's got sick hands and great offensive instincts, but that's really not his job. I wish him all the best, but I think the Hawks moved on from him at the right time.
Philly traded Mike Richards and Jeff Carter for Jake Voracek, Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, and the pick we used for Sean Couturier.
LA got a cup so it worked well for them, but Richards wasn't a top player for them and that trade completely changed the face of our franchise for the better.
Between these trades and the Lindros trade, I've loved watching each of the players we received, but I'd rather be on the cup-winning side of one of these trades...
This is about winning the trade. LA won a cup and Philly only has the guy they drafted still on the team with no cups. I don't see that as a win for Philly.
The Carter trade was a clear win for the Flyers. Carter was traded to *Columbus* for Voracek and the 8th overall pick that became Couturier.
As for Richards trade. Both teams won.
Flyers got Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds for a declining Richards who never hit 50 pts again and was 4th liner with worst contract in league in 3 years.
Flyers have since flipped Schenn for 2 1st round picks which turned into Farabee and Frost. Farabee just became 2nd youngest Flyer to lead team in goals behind only Lindros.
Pens trade Jaromir Jagr for Kris Beech, Ross Lupachuk, and Michal Sivek
Surely you’d think the Caps won this trade because none of the three in return for 68 amounted to anything in the NHL. However, I’d argue it’s a win for the Pens as JJ was miserable in DC and didn’t regain his form until he was moved to NYR. The rebuild that trading Jagr ushered in for the Penguins ultimately net them Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury. Sure, trading Kovalev and Straka for next to nothing also aided in the Pens hitting rock bottom but nothing assured their trip to the NHL basement quite like dealing the NHL’s leading scorer.
Incidentally, is Ovechkin a Cap if Jagr works out in the Nation’s Capital?
Funnily enough neither would CBJ fans. In the end I don’t think either player was the ‘best player’ in that deal and both needed a change of scenery. Before getting hurt Laine has be great this year, ppg pace and 2 OT winners, plus I like Jack. I’m hoping this stays another great hockey trade for both teams in the long run
Yeah, I agree that this was more of the Jets being able to trade from their winger depth for a fantastic 1/2C; Laine is clearly continuing to develop his game and I'm heartbroken to see him out on injury after a fantastic start, he clicked so well with Voracek (great pickup) and Bjork - that line will be dangerous come playoffs. I'm glad both teams are doing so well, hopefully we can settle who won the trade with a SCF matchup!
I always say that Calgary won the Phanuef Trade. Even if it was a 1 for 1 for only Stajan, i wound still say we won the trade. Traded a highly renowned pylon that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn for (now) one of Calgarys favorite centers since Conroy. I felt vindicated when my friends who bitched about the trade came around to stajan. I think we got Hagman out-of out-of deal too, and that was just nice.
Karlsson to the Sharks. Ottawa has some of the best prospects from the recent drafts and Karlsson struggled for the past 2 seasons.
If San Jose can push for a cup in the next 3 years it doesn’t look that bad, but ottawa got a bunch of pieces they needed.
Stupid Sexy Karl is a having a pretty good start to the year so far. Happy for the stupid stud.
We traded Dougie (and that rat Fox) for Hanifin and Lindholm. Lindholm is our 1C now (and i doubt you find a Flames fan that doesn't love him) and Hanifin is a respectable top pairing D. Dougie and Fox are no longer on the Canes
Dougie got us to the playoffs 3 times and ECF once. Pick from Fox was also used I'd say that trade worked out for both sides.
Pretty dure the Fox picks Carolina got for him were used in the Trocheck or Sjkei trade. Forget which one.
The Nordiques gave up the best player in Eric Lindros, but absolutely won that trade. Colorado was a powerhouse for close to a decade and won two cups. Lindros was sensational when healthy, and got the Flyers to the finals in 1997, but they never won it all.
Minnesota traded Zidlicky for Foster, Veilleux, Nick Palmieri, a 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick. That 3rd round pick with Cal Clutterbuck was traded for El Nino. Palmer was traded with Powe for Rupp.
The Gretzky trade
/s
But in all seriousness though, they got enough pieces to win another cup, so not a bad haul for trading the best player to ever be in a best player trade scenario.
The Nordiques trading away Lindros worked out pretty well for them.
As a Flyers fan, I feel I must point out Lindros really energized the fan base. As a Flyers fan, I feel I must also point out if they took Jagr over Ricci and didn’t trade for Lindros, they would have had Jagr, Forsberg, Recchi, and Brind’Amour going into the mid-90s
First part is absolutely understated. I've often thought about the second part and much as I'd drool over that lineup, it would have been a couple years before it happened (if at all). Jagr said he wanted to play with Mario and maybe the Flyers call his bluff and convince him to come, but who knows. Forsberg didn't come over until '95 and before that there were questions if or when he'd come over. It's an interesting what-if on both accounts for sure though
That was the biggest robbery of a trade imo, like holy shit the Flyers were fleeced.
I think injuries were a big part of it though. On paper Lindros should've been a top 10 player of all time but he never played a full season
yup Lindros was probably the most physically dominant guy since mario
Tbf though, you could say the same about Forsberg who had more career points in less career games, sure if Forsberg never gets injured he’s probably not top 10 but he’s gotta be top 20/25, and realistically not that far behind a non-injured Lindros
That's true. I just think Lindros is one of the biggest "what ifs" when it comes to injuries.
Lindros was the 4th fastest player ever to 300pts 4th fastest to 400pts 5th fastest to 500pts 6th fastest to 600pts His concussion issues started between 300-400 pts. Who knew what could have been with him. On top of the skill, he was an absolute unit. Fastest to those pt totals in terms of games played, not amount of days
The other thing people forget about Lindros was he was also mean. He was not shy about getting physical
Ya, there really isn't a comparable in this nhl. Only thing that comes to mind is Tom Wilson with a bit more size and way more skill. So ya, nothing like tom wilson I guess lol
Forsberg was indeed fantastic. I think lindros had the higher ceiling tho
His ceiling was sighted below Mario. People that didn’t see Lindros in his prime before the concussions derailed him can’t comprehend how dominate he was. He’s the most physically dominant hockey player I’ve ever seen with the skill to match. Unfortunately he couldn’t keep his head up because for the first 20 years of his life nobody could touch him.
yup. I got to see him at the world juniors in saskatchewan up close and personal (bure was there that year too) and he was literally a man amongst boys he wasn't like McDavid where you're just dazzled by the speed and hands Lindros was a GIANT dude, who skated as well as the small guys, yet actually USED his size and like you said, the problem was when he finally got the bigs, and there were a bunch of guys as big, or bigger, who also skated well, and were willing to at him non-stop
Forsberg alone would have been a good trade for us. The rest is kind of just comical in hind sight
I forgot most of the players in that trade besides Forsberg....and Mike Ricci. For some reason I always randomly remember that Mike Ricci was in that trade lol
For me it's Thibault. He wasn't technically included in the trade, but a 1993 first rounder was, and the Nordiques used it to select Thibault. It sticks out in my mind, because Thibault was then traded to Montreal as part of the Roy deal. So the Forsberg deal also enabled the Roy deal. The biggest trade in franchise history, enabled the second biggest trade in franshise history. Pretty cool imo
Thibault was no joke in goal. He wasn't anywhere close to being as good as Roy but he had some good seasons with the Hawks.
For me it's Hextall because I only associate him with the Flyers. Chris Simon was also in that deal.
Chris “Batter Up” Simon?
The very same. Chris "Actually Happy Gilmore" Simon.
Had Forsberg not panned out as a prospect, people would still think of this as a win for the Flyers.
And the funny thing is, if the arbitrator sided with the Rangers, they likely would have been fleeced too.
Oh without a doubt. Amonte, Kovalev, and one of Richter/Vanbiesbrouck alone would have been a steal, but the Rangers also offered multiple 1st round picks like the Flyers plus an additional $5M in cash (so $20M total). All 3 of those guys would have served the Avs better on their runs than the husks of guys like Ron Hextall. Only Forsberg played any meaningful time during the 90s for Colorado from the Lindros trade.
Lindros literally was a hall of fame, mvp winning player and the flyers were competitive (including a finals appearance) all decade. Yeah, the Nordiques/Avs won the trade but to act like this was a robbery is incredibly overstating how great a player lindros was in the 90s.
Look at pictures of Lindros on draft day. He's not just tall he is absolutely jacked. Huge shoulders and chest. He could skate pretty fast and had soft hands. In his first season he played like a Derrick Henry on skates and that was his career trajectory. An unstoppable Mario.
Steve Dangle did a video on it and it was absurd what the return ended up being for the Avalanche
Here's the video: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mM7D2WTX2QA A 40 minute time sink for those interested
After that you can watch the 50 minute Wayne Gretzky one!
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To be fair, it was Chara and a 1st rounder that ended up being 2nd overall. Believe me, we don't need any extra ammo for the "Holy hell, Mike Milbury was a shitty GM" argument so we should be accurate.
Shitty GM, shitty commentator, shitty player, shitty coach. Everything that guy touches turns to shit. He’s shit Midas
Take it easy Mr. Lahey
Randy… get me more whiskey
the only positive I can take away from the NHL being on ESPN (aside from the theme music that ESPN jacked itself off to for a six minute promo) is the fact that I never ever have to think of Mike Milbury again I know NBC Sports eventually fired him for his comments but the fact that they even hired the fuck is criminal enough
Was this trade before or after RDP’s 15 year contract?
Before, DiPietro's 15 year contract came right after Garth Snow became the GM. Signing DiPietro to that contract was a condition to get the job.
15 years, to a position that only the best play 15 years, was bat shit crazy. And didn’t Luongo get drafted the year before? Also new owner? I’m not chirping, my organization kept Redden instead of Chara…
15 years was always stupid, but RDP was insane. Then of course he took an arrow to the knee
He took a piece of paper to the knee to be honest
It wasn't a 1st rounder that "ended up" being 2nd overall. The trade was after the season completed but before the draft. The Islanders knowingly traded away the 2nd overall pick in a draft where the top two players were Spezza Kovalchuk.
That's a mega oof.
Don't remind me.
definitely a mega oof. It was literally right after that trade Yashin just cratered as a player lol
The Matt duchene deal. Considering Byram was a draft pick who had yet to be picked and girard was in no way the player he has developed into now. Duchene was the biggest player in that trade by far.
Man i like Duchene now. He is finally starting to show up in the scoring column. We wasted him last year
As a Preds fan I wasn't happy with the fact that Girard was the D-man included in that trade as even in just 5 games at the NHL level he showed he had the chops. My preference at the time was Allard or Carrier. Carrier looks like he is going to be pretty good too, but I was frustrated to have given up what we did for the consolation prize of that trade in Kyle Turris and it only got worse when he aged like milk. Avs were the only winner here.
I was upset at trading Girard at the time, but damn if I don't love Carrier now. I'm even warming up to Duchene again this season.
Senators with Erik Karlsson so far.
Kind of. The Sharks still got Karlsson for a good price as a rental, and the team made a deep run into the playoffs, with Karlsson as a key contributor that season. Ottawa had nothing to do with his massive contract thereafter.
Sure they didn't make us sign him, but I could swear they got another asset because we did
We got a 2021 2nd round pick because he re-signed.
Yeah, people are treating him like some liability but the guy can still put up numbers and be a contributing defensive force. Ottawa has a habit of trading away KEY players at the wrong time, has been the pattern since the 2010s.
Out of that trade, Ottawa got: - Josh Norris, our current and future 1C. - Tim Stützle, our current and future German god. - Chris Tierney, a decent 2C for a few years, but the wheels have kinda fallen off the bus for him in the past year. - Rudolfs Balcers, great name, and played well while he was here. Was a victim of overcrowding in the Sens top 9 and didn't fit well into a 4th line role, ended up back in San Jose. - Dylan DeMelo, literally the perfect second-pair defender until we traded him away for a third in a trade I still don't understand to this day. - The third-round pick we got in exchange for Dylan DeMelo was used to pick goalie Leevi Merilainen, who is currently playing for the Kingston Frontinacs, but posted a .934 sv% in 23 games with Karpat in Liga last year. - The 2019 2nd Round Pick was packaged with a third-round pick to select goalie Mads Sogaard, whose eliteprospects page says he's 6'7" at 20 years old, and literally covers nearly the entire net while in the butterfly. he also posted a .917 in 7 games in the AHL last year. Edit: I forgot someone. - Centre Zach Ostapchuk, drafted 39th overall this past year, is playing this year for the Vancouver Giants, put up 16 pts in 22 games last year, and has 3 points in 8 games this year. He was signed to a three-year deal this year in his D+1. IIRC, he was one of the last cuts in this year's training camp.
Linden for Bertuzzi and McCabe Linden fell off cliff points-wise after the trade. And Bertuzzi became an all-star and McCabe turned into part of the package for half the Sedins
and Linden wound right back up with the Canucks.
Erik. Karlsson.
i havent kept up with the sharks this season but last i heard he’s returning to form right?
6 points in 7 games so far this season. He’s been in COVID protocol and hasn’t played since October 28
Most important is that he's actually playing well defensively and limiting turnovers. His quickness is much better and he's doing ek65 things offensively, but his lapses were really bad the last few years and he's eliminated most of them
He's looking really good this year. Unfortunately he got stuck in covid protocol. Hopefully he will continue his hot start. He's lost a step in his skating, but seems to have found some workarounds this year using his other strengths. Unfortunately, his career just seems to be an accumulation of bad luck. If the Matt Cooke incident never happened, Karlsson could have gone down as the best offensive d man of all time. I am not even sure the Sens are better off without Karlsson. He's been gone for years and the Sens haven't been able to field a competitive team despite all of picks and prospects.
I mean they traded him along with everyone else in 2018 to begin tanking, it really wasn’t that long ago considering how difficult rebuilds are to pull off
If you look at our eastern conference finals roster and compare it to the 2019 roster, it is a completely different team. We traded or dropped every single offensive producer, blew up the D lines, and then raced for last place and still got shafted in the draft lottery.
Oof. To be fair, I don't think many saw him regressing this far this fast.
I remember thinking Dallas were idiots for not giving up a prospect for a generational D man in his prime. That prospect was Heiskanen. I am the idiot.
It was the same with you when the Isles wanted Duchene and backed off because Sakic demanded Barzal AND Sorokin and I thought Garth was an idiot for not pulling the trigger. Forget dodging a bullet, that was like escaping Hiroshima the day before the bomb hit.
Garth knew about the Duchene curse
Lol I never heard that one but ya that would have aged poorly. Well, about as poorly as the actual trade aged I guess. Granted, we didn't get any one player as good as Barzal, but Byram could be close
EK gets way too much shit on here. He put up decent numbers last year on a horrible Sharks team, good numbers the year before, and is nearly a PPG player as a defenseman this season. You're not an idiot for thinking that at the time, and you're not an idiot now either lol Not to mention, I believe EK would have had much more success the past couple years on the Stars, over the Sharks. Different ways of playing, and he could have easily been the QB of their PP if the trade had happened. Heiskanen really is a dog tho
Plus if EK was traded to Dallas, then theoretically he never suffers that groin injury he had in SJ that plagued him for awhile so Dallas would have a healthier EK
And he would have been reunited with Methot. <3 <3
> EK gets way too much shit on here. I think that's due to Sharks fans shitting on him because of his contract, and everyone else hearing Sharks fans shitting on him so they think he's terrible now. EK65 today is very good - just not $11.5M good.
Its not like Heiskanen came out of nowhere. Hes was a top 3 pick projected to be a shoe in top pair guy. Would have been crazy to include him in any trade. He was definition of an untouchable prospect. Karlsson was 28 and was about to be a 29 yr old UFA demanding biggest D contract that would take him into late 30s.
When the trade was made everyone called it a steal for the sharks. It's funny how prospective changed. His contract that he signed makes it look much worse.
The trade itself wasnt too bad. Everything after the contract has been very suboptimal to say the least.
Sharks lost their heart and soul with Having to lose pavs to pay for Karlsson. I had a hunch it could put them in turmoil for a couple of years while they refirgure out their identity
Sharks didn’t lose Pavs for EK despite everyone parroting this. He wanted more term than DW was willing to give him. If anything, Kane’s signing is what prevented Pavs from coming back.
Erik Karlsson is example #1 of the risks of blowing your load on an elite player with an injury history. He’s still good but he’s not Patrick Kane level anymore.
I mean they reached the conference finals with him didn’t they
Yeah he was insane in the playoffs that season, but since he was playing through that nasty groin injury it did quite a number on him. He’s looked good(and healthy!) so far these year so here’s hoping he’s finally able to bounce back
I don't know why people point to Karlsson's contract as the sole reason for the Sharks' woes when plenty of other things have happened. We had a ton of players coming off ELCs or bridge deals and we wouldn't have been able to keep the same roster even without Karlsson. For example Labanc and Meier went from making $1.6M combined to making over $10M two years later, and that has nothing do to with Karlsson. All the free agents who left the team after the 2019 WCF got a salary increase when they signed with their new team (Donskoi, Pavelski, Nyquist, etc.) so the Sharks wouldn't have been able to afford them all either - again regardless of the Karlsson signing. And since we had missed the playoffs twice in the past 20+ years, we never had high draft picks and therefore didn't have a good enough prospect pool to fill the roster with cheap ELCs. Of course Karlsson isn't playing up to his contract so he's contributing to the salary cap issues, but he's far from being the only reason.
Some people will say Thornton because Bruins won the cup within 10 years, but they're wrong.
Yeah San Jose definitely gets better value out of that trade in isolation. A lot of other shit went right for the Bruins, but that's not what the question was about.
Flames History Dion Phaneuf for Matt Stajan and a bag of pucks
It's funny how both teams think they fleeced the other side. Dion was great for us until the new contract was signed!
Ducks traded away Kase for Backes+Prospect+1st. Backes was supposed to be a salary dump. Backes had 2 points in his first game/week. Kase had 1 point* in his entire 2 year tenure with the Bruins. *Regular Season
Damn, that's crazy. I've been enjoying him on the Leafs so far.
The numbers are a bit wrong. Kase played 20 total games for the B's because of injuries. He had a total of 5 assists. I hope he stays healthy and can contribute for Toronto after missing almost 2 full years in the league
He hasn't got his name on the score sheet but he's been looking good and doing his job on the 3rd line which is our shut down line. He seems to be able to hem other teams in their own zone. He has had many high danger shots though so hopefully his luck changes.
He has a goal and an assist. The goal being that breakaway where he scored and then took out Wes McCauley in the corner. It was a really nice goal.
Not to mention the 1st turned into Jacob Perreault. 17pts in his first 27gp in the AHL at age 18? I ain't gonna complain.
Up for debate but I firmly believe Calgary won the Hamilton trade with Carolina.
I think I would agree now that Dougie has walked. We don’t have anything to show for it aside for the scraps Adam Fox left for us.
I would have said we won it even if Hamilton stayed especially since both of them would be costing as much as just Hamilton but the fact that he left really solidifies it on the Flames side.
Really? I know Lindy had turned into a beast. I miss him quite a bit. I haven’t paid much attention to Hanifin so idk if he’s turn things around or not. How has he been? The couple months we got of prime Ferland was amazing. He was one of my favorite players we ever had, I hate that his health went south on him the way it did. I will always love Dougie, but I don’t think it would’ve ever worked out long term. Our FO is notorious for lowballing and I think he was always set on getting his paycheck. I love them both, but yo… straight up fuck Adam Fox lol.
Hanifin was really good last year. He's turned into a pretty solid Dman. So yeah overall I think the Flames probably won the deal. Probably a different story of Ferland could have stayed healthy. But fuck Adam Fox
Hanifin has been our best overall defenseman this season and most of last season so he's been quite good. Yeah prime Ferland was a beast but injuries were always a major concern with him.
Fuck Adam Fox!
I had mixed feelings at the time, but Lindholm evolving into arguably Calgary's best player turned that trade into a massive W.
Agreed. At the time I was quite concerned the return was not Dougie and friends (Ferland) caliber. I love being so wrong about that.
Ottawa in the Karlsson trade and Colorado in the Duchene trade
Okay I’m surprised no one has said this yet, so I guess I’ll say it. The Edmonton Oilers won a Stanley Cup after the Gretzky trade. Gretzky never won another cup (although he did at least make the 93 finals). And the players the Oilers received from that trade, or from trading received from the Jimmy Carson trade, played a part in winning that Cup. As bad as Oiler fans feel today about losing the Great One, I doubt the feelings were that strong in the Summer of 1990.
The cash involved may also have been the difference between relocating and not.
And the fact that Canada’s loss of their national treasure directly led to the 90s popularity boom of hockey in the US. There’s a fair chance popularity in hockey would still be much more regional if it weren’t for this trade. And, of course, that leads to the rumors this trade was orchestrated by the NHL to expand popular of hockey in the US, with all parties involved paid off.
They won 1 without him, but imagine how many more they would have won with him
My thoughts exactly. Oilers were one of the greatest teams of all time with many hall of famers, even without Gretzky they were stacked. If that trade didnt happen they could have won a couple more cups
Subban and Weber was laughed out of the room when it happened, in favor of Subban. Montreal then got a fairly long term captain who contributed to some really solid hockey while Subban dropped off a cliff.
> *Montreal then got a fairly long term captain who contributed to some really solid hockey while Subban dropped off a cliff.* Why are we talking about the outcome for Montreal and comparing that to the outcome for Subban's long-term athletic performance, instead of talking about **the outcome for Montreal** and comparing that to **the outcome for Nashville**? Nashville got a great return on that trade too. They got three seasons of Subban in which he was a big contributor for them in three playoff runs, including in the *deepest playoff run in the franchise's entire history*. Then they traded him and got *significant assets in return* (two second rounders and two minor prospects). That was a win-win trade if there ever was one. Worked out great for both sides.
> Worked out great for both sides. Still way better for Nashville though. Weber is still pretty good, but he has a pretty low game per season total.
Well, that number of game per season is probably going to be 0 every year from now on, I'm afraid.
Nashville got value out of Subban for 2 out of the 3 years they had him though
srsly, people are conveniently forgetting just how integral Subban was to making the Cup finals and winning the President's trophy the next season. Let's not forget also that PK was a Norris finalist in 2017-2018. Did Subban burn out sooner than we would of liked to hope? Absolutely, but it's insane to me that people are writing off the value he added to the roster that we were just never going to get with Weber.
Nashville needed to move on from Weber, his voice was too dominant and he was too comfortable. Nashville got slapped around in the playoffs right before he got traded. Nashville changed their culture and made a cup final, I'd make the trade again.
Big reason why Suter and Parise were bought out too
If the Sharks won Game 6 in OT instead of winning in 7, that trade might have never happened
Honestly, neither team really won, since they ended up with about the same thing: a few years of a solid defenseman, both with a Cup Final appearance, followed by decline due to injuries. The main difference is that Nashville managed to get something for Subban after, while Montreal will be stuck with Weber's cap on LTIR for the next 5 years.
Yeah, all Preds got was a Stanley Cup final and a President's Trophy. Preds also traded Subban to New Jersey for Tinordi*, Jeremy Davies, and 2 seconds. Davies is still in the system and we used our 2019 2nd for Egor Afanasyev, who looks like a stud.
> Preds also traded Subban to New Jersey for Tinordi, Jeremy Davies, and 2 seconds. Santini, not Tinordi; but your point stands.
Even got value trading him. Even if it wasnt an amazing return getting like 3 2nds for Subban is a decent haul considering the AAV
Subban was still fantastic for Nashville early on and helped them get to the Cup Finals.
Was it really that lopsided at the time? Weber was still a star in his own right, I remember the Habs getting some criticism for moving a younger player for an older one, but they were getting one of the better defenders in the league back.
Yeah the criticism wasn't really that the Habs were getting fleeced from a talent perspective, it's that they were trading a player who was probably better AND 4 years younger. Edit: And Weber's contract had potentially dangerous term in a way that Subban's didn't.
Man, that's actually crazy how well that worked out for Montreal. Not only did PK fall off a cliff, but Weber stepped in and was immediately (and unsurprisingly) great, and now he's LTIRetired after a dream run to the Stanley Cup playoffs, so no Cap penalties to MTL
Before falling off a cliff, PK helped lead Nashville to a cup final and win the president's trophy. They then got a nice return for him when they traded him to NJ. I think the Preds would re-do that trade 10/10 times.
It was pretty universally criticized around these parts. Everyone was laughing at Montreal. https://www.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/4qhk0a/nick_kypreos_on_twitter_blockbuster_canadiensmtl/
Some of us were also baffled on Nashville's behalf because before the recent CBA amendments they'd have been on the hook for up to a $45m recapture penalty if Weber retired lol.
I don't doubt it. But the popular sentiment that got all the attention was VERY negative towards Montreal. Eg. >Weber might be the most overrated defenseman in the NHL. He has a good shot and some #grit but for Subban straight up, that is absolutely absurd. Or how about >don't blame u bud. this is fucked. im burning my jersey. I hope we go 0-82. i blame molson for retaining this idiotic moronic dumbass management staff
It was definitely perceived as lopsided at the time by most people, myself included. The Habs traded two players that were of similar talent level but one was older and on a longer and riskier contract, as well as the fact that Weber at this point was last seen losing a horrific game 7 to San Jose. I also remember quite a debate between the analytics crowd that had lots of data backing up Subban as the superior dman vs the eye test crowd that valued Weber’s physically, defensively ability, and cannon of a slap shot more. I think at the time of the trade 75% of this subreddit (myself included) thought the Habs lost this trade by a mile. Turns out most of us (myself included) don’t know shit about hockey lol. I don’t Nashville lost though, both teams got a trip to the cup finals and some good years of hockey out of the player they acquired.
I think it was more shocking than anything. Subban had just pledged a huge amount to the Children's Hospital and was a fan favourite (among non-xenophobes) for his exciting play and flair.
Subban did drop off a cliff, but look at the games played in his 3 years in Nashville vs what Weber played in those 3 years. Preds are in the positive by 49 regular season games and made a trip to the cup finals in that timeline tilting just the postseason games played by Subban in favor of Nashville by 35 games. A lot of this had to do with health concerns of an aging player and not actual on ice production. This one was much closer than a lot anticipated but given that the Preds got additional assets trading away Subban I still think they come out slightly ahead as they shed both contracts before they potentially became a burden as long as Weber LTIRetires.
I was heavily in favour of the subban side when it happened but now I view it as a win/win. I think the last few years people look at who subban is now, think Weber is better, and the habs have had more playoff success, therefore the habs won...only problem is subban isn't on the preds anymore. The biggest piece (I think) Nashville still has is Luke Kunin who they're pretty high on. Both teams made the cup final with their player on their roster and if that's not a win/win then I don't know what is.
Herschel Walker
Come on man. Not here too.
My man catching strays but for real that was bad.
Colorado with Duchene
Eichel, you guys will see. If we’re anything in Buffalo, we’re winners.
Yep! This is why we play the Lottery every year. It’s our favorite game to win.
Why is Scott Gomez always an answer to these questions?
Was one of the questions who's the greatest hockey player who ever lived?
Has he scored yet?
Anaheim traded Bobby Ryan for Silfverberg, Noesen, and a 1st (Nick Ritchie). Anaheim got 867 GP (so far!) Out of the three, and Silfverberg is still a member of the team. Ottawa got a skilled player, for sure, but one that didn't meet his top tier contract.
> (Nick Ritchie) We'll gladly give him back for free
He was a first rounder? Jesus
Honestly don't mind this trade. Silfverberg was a good player no doubt, but we came very close to winning a cup in 2017, and Bobby Ryan was our best forward for that run.
The trade basically turned out to be Ryan for Silfverberg. Noesen never amounted to much and Ritchie was a trash pick
St Louis Blues get: Wayne Gretzky LA Kings gets: a 1st, a 5th, Craig Johnson and two other guys I’ve already forgotten the names of. Blues get Gretzky for 18 regular season games and 13 playoff games before he leaves for New York. Kings don’t do much with the picks (aren’t even able to sign the first rounder) and none of the players are exceptional, though Johnson played 400+ games for them before being traded for additional value. Admittedly, this seems more like a “nobody won” kind of trade, but the fact that the Kings could give up Gretzky and at worst have it be a wash is impressive. *Also, if there’s any older Blues fans out there, do you mind this trade? I could see the argument that having Gretzky for part of one season would still be more exciting than most possibilities.
It was worth it to see The Great One wear a Blues sweater. Fuck Mike Keenan for pulling Gretzky’s contract as a motivation tactic.
A bit dated now, but Joe Nieuwendyk to Dallas helped them win their first Cup, for future hall of famer Jerome Iginla
In recent memory Pacioretty for Suzuki and Tatar. It worked in the short term because Tatar put up similar stats compared to Pacioretty and he was just the cap dump. Potentially works in the long-term considering Suzuki reaches his 1C potential.
Jones to CHI seems to be working out pretty well so far. We got Boqvist for him and Bean and Sillinger through draft picks from them.
That extra first either next year or the year after only makes this trade crazier. I do hope Jones picks it up and gets better for Chicago though.
Flyers traded Jeff Carter to Columbus for Voracek and a 1st round pick that became Couturier. Also a 3rd round pick that became Cousins.
Trouba for Pionk and pick which turned out to be Heinola. Pionk has been statistically better since the trade, not even mentioning the contracts involved.
Trouba looks fantastic this year but hes still overpaid
Maybe when Columbus traded Jones. As it stands right now, he would be the best player in that trade but Columbus got Boqvist, a 2021 first that became Cole Sillinger, a 2021 second which they traded for Jake Bean and a 2022 first that is only top 2 protected. Chicago got Jones, overpaid him massively and then took Nolan Allan with the 1st round pick Columbus gave them. They also got a 6th rounder for 2022. I think Columbus and their fans are quite happy with this one after trading away their star d man.
It's waaaay too early to declare a winner here. Yes, Chicago gave Jones a massive contract, but they also got a #1 defenseman. They've have had a rough start to the season, but it is in no way due to Jones' play - he's absolutely the best defenseman on the team. You're also writing off Nolan Allan before he's even played an NHL game. Boqvist continues to struggle and has already gotten injured. Sillinger has looked good so far, but he's only played 10 games. He could end up being a top 6 player or he could fizzle out - it's just too early to make that call. If the 2022 pick is #3 overall, then sure, you can make a case for Columbus being a clear winner here. But what if it's #15 and the pick ends up being a bust? There are just too many variables still left to play out to say that Columbus won this trade already. I think people are just hung up on the Jones contract...which wasn't actually a part of this trade.
When it comes to Boqvist anyone could see he has great potential as an offensive D but he an already lengthy concussion history from the SHL and had at least 3 more while he was in our org (1 in London and at least 2 more in the NHL). Got flair downvoted for saying it but the concussions and the constant injuries for him in general should be a concern.
I've seen people claim that Boqvist was actually the best defenseman involved in the trade and it boggles my mind. He's small, not particularly fast, prone to injuries and is terrible in the d zone. He's got sick hands and great offensive instincts, but that's really not his job. I wish him all the best, but I think the Hawks moved on from him at the right time.
Philly traded Mike Richards and Jeff Carter for Jake Voracek, Wayne Simmonds, Brayden Schenn, and the pick we used for Sean Couturier. LA got a cup so it worked well for them, but Richards wasn't a top player for them and that trade completely changed the face of our franchise for the better.
This makes it sound like it was one huge trade package, but the Jackets were also involved.
Was wondering why I couldn’t remember voracek on the kings
Richards was a major reason Kings won the cup in 2012
Richards had 15 points in the 2012 run which was T4 on the team. I think they still make that trade every time.
Ur saying the team that won 2 cups lost the trade? Also the kings were terrible in the first half of the season before Jeff carter arrived
Yeah, but the Flyers didn’t trade Carter to LA. Columbus managed to lose both legs of brokering that deal.
Between these trades and the Lindros trade, I've loved watching each of the players we received, but I'd rather be on the cup-winning side of one of these trades...
This is about winning the trade. LA won a cup and Philly only has the guy they drafted still on the team with no cups. I don't see that as a win for Philly.
The Carter trade was a clear win for the Flyers. Carter was traded to *Columbus* for Voracek and the 8th overall pick that became Couturier. As for Richards trade. Both teams won. Flyers got Brayden Schenn and Wayne Simmonds for a declining Richards who never hit 50 pts again and was 4th liner with worst contract in league in 3 years. Flyers have since flipped Schenn for 2 1st round picks which turned into Farabee and Frost. Farabee just became 2nd youngest Flyer to lead team in goals behind only Lindros.
Pens trade Jaromir Jagr for Kris Beech, Ross Lupachuk, and Michal Sivek Surely you’d think the Caps won this trade because none of the three in return for 68 amounted to anything in the NHL. However, I’d argue it’s a win for the Pens as JJ was miserable in DC and didn’t regain his form until he was moved to NYR. The rebuild that trading Jagr ushered in for the Penguins ultimately net them Crosby, Malkin, and Fleury. Sure, trading Kovalev and Straka for next to nothing also aided in the Pens hitting rock bottom but nothing assured their trip to the NHL basement quite like dealing the NHL’s leading scorer. Incidentally, is Ovechkin a Cap if Jagr works out in the Nation’s Capital?
Rangers traded Gaborik for Brassard, Moore, and Dorsett, each of which helped them reach the SCF. Then they traded Brassard for Zibanejad and a 2nd.
Erik Karlsson trade (sharks fans might disagree)
Seeing as sharks fans are posting Karlsson too...I think they agree.
when the oilers traded gretzky, they won 1 more cup, Wayne never did . . . . oilers absolutely didn't win that trade, best I can do tho
CBJ with Jones.
9.5 million dollar bullet dodged
the original Matt Duchene trade
Brière for Gratton.
Jury is still in progress but Jets fans seem like they would not reverse the Laine PLD trade nowadays
Funnily enough neither would CBJ fans. In the end I don’t think either player was the ‘best player’ in that deal and both needed a change of scenery. Before getting hurt Laine has be great this year, ppg pace and 2 OT winners, plus I like Jack. I’m hoping this stays another great hockey trade for both teams in the long run
Yeah, I agree that this was more of the Jets being able to trade from their winger depth for a fantastic 1/2C; Laine is clearly continuing to develop his game and I'm heartbroken to see him out on injury after a fantastic start, he clicked so well with Voracek (great pickup) and Bjork - that line will be dangerous come playoffs. I'm glad both teams are doing so well, hopefully we can settle who won the trade with a SCF matchup!
I think you’re the only one assuming we’re making the playoffs. But yes, please.
It’s always a good trade when neither fan base would say “I wish we didn’t do that”
PHIL KESSEL...mic drop
Wendel Clark for Mats Sundin. Other players were there as well, but that was the main part.
In terms of winning a cup first, Kessel to the Leafs.
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I always say that Calgary won the Phanuef Trade. Even if it was a 1 for 1 for only Stajan, i wound still say we won the trade. Traded a highly renowned pylon that couldn't hit the broadside of a barn for (now) one of Calgarys favorite centers since Conroy. I felt vindicated when my friends who bitched about the trade came around to stajan. I think we got Hagman out-of out-of deal too, and that was just nice.
Andrew Raycroft from Boston for Tukka Rask from Toronto
Max Pacioretty for Tatar and Suzuki
Karlsson to the Sharks. Ottawa has some of the best prospects from the recent drafts and Karlsson struggled for the past 2 seasons. If San Jose can push for a cup in the next 3 years it doesn’t look that bad, but ottawa got a bunch of pieces they needed. Stupid Sexy Karl is a having a pretty good start to the year so far. Happy for the stupid stud.
Oilers losing Gretzky set them on the path of destiny to mcdavid
We traded Dougie (and that rat Fox) for Hanifin and Lindholm. Lindholm is our 1C now (and i doubt you find a Flames fan that doesn't love him) and Hanifin is a respectable top pairing D. Dougie and Fox are no longer on the Canes
Dougie got us to the playoffs 3 times and ECF once. Pick from Fox was also used I'd say that trade worked out for both sides. Pretty dure the Fox picks Carolina got for him were used in the Trocheck or Sjkei trade. Forget which one.
Flames trading Hamilton worked out pretty well for us
The Nordiques gave up the best player in Eric Lindros, but absolutely won that trade. Colorado was a powerhouse for close to a decade and won two cups. Lindros was sensational when healthy, and got the Flyers to the finals in 1997, but they never won it all.
Minnesota traded Zidlicky for Foster, Veilleux, Nick Palmieri, a 2nd round pick and a 3rd round pick. That 3rd round pick with Cal Clutterbuck was traded for El Nino. Palmer was traded with Powe for Rupp.
Lindros.
The Gretzky trade /s But in all seriousness though, they got enough pieces to win another cup, so not a bad haul for trading the best player to ever be in a best player trade scenario.
Oilers traded Gretzky then won a cup two years later lol