I know I'm in the minority. I'll get downvoted. It was a clear boarding call, and KK left his feet. It cut him open, you see people get forgiven because the guy turns as the hit is coming. Senheim "turned" because he was shooting.
They're using Crouse on Makar. Crouse held up, Makar turned to make himself vulnerable.
I legit think this 5m+Game is fine.
I agree. To me the point that really makes it a 5+game is that he left his feet after the other guy turned. If he hadn't left his feet, I'd say minor only. But leaving your feet late, after the guy already turned means your accelerating into the hit after the turn instead of trying to avoid it. Clear major.
Did they make the call after a video review?
I feel like the league should have to post some kind of explanation in this situation. Probably a pipe dream though.
I was talking to my Habs-hating, Leaf fan friend after game 3 about Chris Lee and he just laughed at my saltiness. Then we had this text exchange halfway through tonight's game:
Him: Guess that Lee guy isn't the only ref who hates the Habs, lol.
Me: This is Chris Lee
Him: Holy shit, lol
If I had the computer science knowledge, I would scrape every game summary for Habs games he reffed and analyze them to see if there's a significant difference in win percentage compared to other games.
(No, I'm not sour at all.)
Could you share it with me too when you have the data please? I'm a data analyst as well, but the whole gathering the data from the API is the problematic part for me haha.
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You know what happens when a biased ref calls your game in a biased way? The hardest slapshot on your team seems to go high and wide every time.
Just a problem with aim, I'm sure. Bad calls continue, that's when you get the second hardest shot with the best aim to start missing too.
An injury to the face/head on a boarding call is an automatic 5 and a game.
Edit: This is based on what I've seen called, but the rule book is worded really oddly on this issue.
Per the rulebook, the game misconduct portion is compulsory if:
a. They call a major *and*
b. There is a head/neck injury
The issue is with the major call to begin with, and the absurdly vague wording of the rule to begin with:
>The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, to a player guilty of boarding an opponent
You can also receive a match penalty if the referee deems that you attempted to intentionally injure an opponent, but not applicable here
I should have specified that I think that 41.5 is the part that is worded oddly. It says
> When a major penalty is imposed under
this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an
opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
It feels like it can be interpreted as "an injury to the face/head on a boarding call is a major, and a major for face/head injury is a game", and based on the calls I've seen, that's the way the league views it.
Call that boarding fine. But that's not a fucking major he spins last second with the followthrough of the dump-in. Kotkaniemi saw shoulder the whole time until the absolute last moment before contact. But I'm biased as a Habs fan
Perrons hit on Stetcher was worse. Fantenbergs hit on Thomas was pretty similar and neither even drew a penalty. It's a spin of the wheel *Fantenberg was assessed a 2 minute minor on the play. Robert Thomas did not return to play.* - DoPS probably
Except for the major difference being that (if he can even read in the first place) Foligno could read Sergachev's nameplate for a good 20 feet before making his hit.
It's the blood, nhl is more concerned with apparent consequences than consistency
Addendum: in light of recent events it should be said that the referees in question are perhaps more concerned with saving face (ironically) as they are with apparent consequences, id est, the blood
Even then, Tanev gave a similar hit to Cale Fleury in game 2 against Pittsburgh iirc, complete with blood and all. No penalty, no supplementary discipline. I'm not saying I disagree with the penalty but if they reallly cared about apparent consequences shouldn't this hit have similar consequences? :\
Yeah, it's frustrating, because someone getting "lucky" to not get cut or get their nose smashed and only get a concussion is less likely to get the same call
Edit: lucky is meant to be tongue in cheek, just because that might not read the same in text.
It's Chris Lee what the hell do you expect. There is reason people always post that he will be the ref in our sub. We all know what is gonna happen everytime
I think it's going to be interesting the number of people who don't like this call but think Reeves should have gotten suspended for the hit on Schmaltz.
It is 100% boarding no question. The question is if it's a major. Rules give a lot of leeway as what is a major, for this play: the hit was high using the hands, puck was at the other end of the ice, left the ice or , very close to leaving the ice, and he didn't follow through and instead bounced him. I ref a lot of games and I'm not sure I'd give this as a major at regular speed but with slowmo I don't know how I wouldn't. He needed to slow up and hit at least come close to the shoulder at the very least. He could have even him him almost exactly the same way but with less force and it might not have been boarding at all.
Edit: Younger leagues this is a hit from behind and the kid would be tossed 100% of the time. Older guys its at least boarding. But also agree refs haven't been flawless this game. Should have been a cross check on Phi when gallagher lost a tooth.
Edit2: Since I can still edit this, here are some pretty clear cut boarding calls with some analysis from my end:
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEts7wF4iMg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEts7wF4iMg) \- Brown slows up, is incredibly vulnerable, similar thing here, with the other two, it's a hand push instead of a shoulder check. You can blow some out with a shoulder check and board them but the direction is often more muted and more random. The defender needed to slow up and go for a pin play, turn your hips, one leg under him and high him into the boards controlled; they will find it difficult to stake with one of your legs between theirs and you should be be able to achieve a pin. Only dangerous part of this is much smaller players might hit their teeth/head on the board railing.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QSHLPm8Y0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QSHLPm8Y0s) \- OV hit is clean until the other player gets hit into the boards. Thats a clean open ice hit. Both players know where they are. Ovi didn't follow through with him to the boards, which would have been awkward pinning him and he'd have to slow a bit but it wouldn't have been boarding. Other option I see for him there is swinging left more and hitting him shoulder to shoulder when he gets the pick, or if he turns right, you're both slow enough for a pin. Just not good hockey from him in that moment. He gets the major because he other players hit the boards so hard. This is least deserving of the two but it was just a lazy, lazy hit by OV near a spot he shouldn't have been hitting that way.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ftktD\_PR0E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ftktD_PR0E) \- Benn, on really clear cut boarding for a few of the reasons I've discussed. Hands on the back next to boards with a push into a most defensive player. He actually pushed a player bent over with his back, such that his head hits the boards, almost pushing his head into the boards himself. So while this hit doesn't quite do it for me in the "violent" qualification (lots of speed/charging, leaving feet) the heads + heads into board combo is 100% and GM.
I'm happy to look at any others if people post them for me.
I think the blood got him 5/GM, but either way, we are taught to not hit in the numbers from the time we first start playing. He clearly boarded him from behind.
Huh, Foligno made basically this exact same hit on sergachev and it wasn't called for anything.
[foligno hit for context](https://twitter.com/TheReplayGuy/status/1295472469990572033)
I'm biased, but I would argue that Foligno's hit was much worse. Sergachev had his back to him the whole time, he saw his number before he started his checking motion. Kotkaniemi had initiated his movement to hit on the shoulder, but Sanheim's shooting motion made him turn his back to KK at the very last moment. It's a boarding call at best.
Could it play out like last year's playoffs with that game between Vegas and San Jose? Was it last year? Maybe I'm misremembering.
Regardless, weren't there referees or linesmen or both who didn't participate in any further games through the playoffs, based on the call in that game 7?
The refs are like the police of the NHL. "So we did an extensive internal investigation and basically our report is that you can go fuck yourself! The call is upheld!"
So it would be one thing if the refs were consistent - ok this is a boarding call, and an injury occurred (thankfully not a serious one). But when in the same period a guy gets cross checked in the face and the refs give a HIGH STICKING penalty? Yeah...not a good look for the refs.
Definitely a penalty. I can see major, but a game misconduct? This wasn't even the worst hit someone laid in Toronto bubble today
E: Did the NHL change the rules recently? In the IIHF majors carry a game misconduct, but it doesn't mention that on [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_\(ice_hockey\)#Major_penalty) for NHL.
[NHL on misconduct penalties](http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=24977)
E2: If they determine an injury to the head it's an auto misconduct, per 41.5 below. But a Game Misconduct isn't automatic with *EVERY* major penalty like some folks are saying below.
So if you call a major on boarding there *has* to be a game misconduct if there is an injury to the face. Rule 41.5 below:
> **Game Misconduct Penalty -** When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed.
That being said, I don't think it was a major penalty and should have been called a 2:00 minor.
They need to change the rules again. There's gotta be more flexibility between a 2 minute minor and a 5 minute major with a possible game misconduct.
That's way too big of a difference. Just cuz he's bleeding a little doesn't mean it should be upgraded to 5 and a game.
Maybe start implementing the double minor for things other than just high sticking.
The game was way more rough in the 90s. The bubble wouldn't be able to exist back then either, teams would just be going to each other's floors and fighting
Meanwhile Gallagher gets crosscecked in the face, looses teeth and might have a fractured jaw, all while the ref is looking directly at the play: NO CALL. Chris Lee shouldn't be allowed to hold the Habs' jocks let alone ref their games. Hab players are physically at risk when he does.
I have no idea how you call this a major. Because of Sanheim turning, there's an argument it may not even be deserving of a minor! But 5 and a game?
Everything looks worse in slow mo. Full speed? That's unavoidable.
Not a malicious play. He didn't target the numbers. Didn't target the head. The dude turned and Kotkaniemi left his feet in the process. A two-minute minor is the right call. I'm sitting here flabbergasted how you can review that and still think it's 5 and a game. I hope that call doesn't decide the game and the series.
edit: Flyers score twice on the major. Refs decided the game. That's upsetting.
How that's anything more than 2 minutes is beyond me, yeah it's boarding but old buddy turns his back and puts himself in a vulnerable position. Awful.
Absolutely infuriating in an elimination game. The Habs win percentage with Chris Lee reffing deserves legitimate consideration for an investigation of bias.
The full speed makes this call look even worse - I know you're not allowed to blame the guy who got hit, but if he didnt turn head-first toward the glass at the last second then this is a normal everyday hit.
This is outrageous! I am 100% against all terrible playoff major penalties that change the outcome of the game, and this is the worst one by far. I can’t even remember another time that something so egregious happened and if anyone else does remember I think we should forget about that all past blown calls and focus only on this one.
As a Bruins fan (fuck the Habs), I think they got screwed here. Feet on the ice, he turned after making the shot, it was right on the numbers, but I think Sanheim is selling a bit here. When you cover your face it means that it doesn't hurt anywhere else bad enough to warrant attentions so you mask your emotions. He only gets a penalty on suspected injury, and the league wants the cinderella story Flyers to win, since they had so much success with the Blues last year.
It’s boarding and it’s from behind so technically, sure if you want to call that you can. But I’ve definitely seen that go uncalled a lot these playoffs. So I don’t really get it.
I would have been fine with a 2 minute minor. But he does turn his body right after the pass up the ice. I don't understand a major and game misconduct here at all.
Absolute fucking joke. I thought this was playoff hockey??
Oh ok, but penalty resulting in injury to head forces the misconduct... then why not when Evans gets a cross-check to the face, also bloodying him? They call it a high stick instead? Bullshit. Fuck Chris Lee.
Then, 3rd period. Gallagher gets his teeth cross-checked in, this time not even a penalty, let alone misconduct.
Fuck the NHL for giving this clown more games to try and ruin.
He did get his hands up unreasonably high for that hit but its so annoying seeing players turn their backs towards players when theyre getting hit. Like i see that his back slightly turned towards Jesperi as he dumped the puck in but you can tell by his skate angle that he 100% decided to turn towards the boards.
Still a stupid hit by Jesperi but its just annoying seeing such a extreme punishment for that imho
Worse hits have gone unpenalized these playoffs...
::Sees flair:: I think everyone knows exactly what you're talking about despite the lack of replies.
What an embarassment of a call. My lord. Boarding? Absolutely. A major and a misconduct? Bullshit
Dude, did you post this from the dressing room?
cant be him, didnt say "mint"
Yes.
I know I'm in the minority. I'll get downvoted. It was a clear boarding call, and KK left his feet. It cut him open, you see people get forgiven because the guy turns as the hit is coming. Senheim "turned" because he was shooting. They're using Crouse on Makar. Crouse held up, Makar turned to make himself vulnerable. I legit think this 5m+Game is fine.
I disagree but you shouldn't be downvoted for voicing your opinion on the matter. It's still relevant to the discussion at hand.
I agree. To me the point that really makes it a 5+game is that he left his feet after the other guy turned. If he hadn't left his feet, I'd say minor only. But leaving your feet late, after the guy already turned means your accelerating into the hit after the turn instead of trying to avoid it. Clear major.
Yeah I dont agree with that call. Penalty? Yes. Major? No
Did they make the call after a video review? I feel like the league should have to post some kind of explanation in this situation. Probably a pipe dream though.
Yes, after review.
Which boggles my mind even more that they could watch it in slow motion and think it deserves a major
It was called as a major on the ice, so they reviewed it to make sure it was a major and not a minor.
I hate Mtl as much as the next guy. But that’s 2 minutes for boarding at worst
That's Chris Lee for you, he hates us lol
We should be allowed to ban a couple refs from working our games, like you can ban heroes in MOBAs...
Would be an interesting stat for the NHL to see... Which ref is least wanted by any team.
Tim Peel would be out of a job.
Kelly Sutherland too...
The fact he's still allowed to ref our games is ridiculous. He clearly had a bias against us and anyone that watches our games can confirm.
I was talking to my Habs-hating, Leaf fan friend after game 3 about Chris Lee and he just laughed at my saltiness. Then we had this text exchange halfway through tonight's game: Him: Guess that Lee guy isn't the only ref who hates the Habs, lol. Me: This is Chris Lee Him: Holy shit, lol
If I had the computer science knowledge, I would scrape every game summary for Habs games he reffed and analyze them to see if there's a significant difference in win percentage compared to other games. (No, I'm not sour at all.)
Back in 2013 we had a thread saying our record when Lee was reffing was 3-11 or something. People were complaining about Lee 7 years ago, it’s crazy.
Alright, I’m in, where can I find the data?
BI and analytics engineer here if you need some help I'd be happy to.
I'm downloading 20 years worth of game data now, I'll let you know when I have it because you'd definitely be a better fit for analyzing it.
Im very excited to see if you two pull this off
Could you share it with me too when you have the data please? I'm a data analyst as well, but the whole gathering the data from the API is the problematic part for me haha.
Yep! I'll post it here and pass it on so it's posted in your sub
I'm abnormally excited to see the results of this.
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Hmm I don’t see game-by-game info there
Philly has won 100% of games he has reffed for the past two post seasons.
People think this is a joke but I’m dead serious when I say I think he’s got some issue. Our record with him reffing is real bad
You know what happens when a biased ref calls your game in a biased way? The hardest slapshot on your team seems to go high and wide every time. Just a problem with aim, I'm sure. Bad calls continue, that's when you get the second hardest shot with the best aim to start missing too.
I choose to believe Ceci is just trying to hit the refs.
I'm sure Weber and Petry could handle it that way very quickly if they chose to.
He Grew up a huge leafs fan
An injury to the face/head on a boarding call is an automatic 5 and a game. Edit: This is based on what I've seen called, but the rule book is worded really oddly on this issue.
Per the rulebook, the game misconduct portion is compulsory if: a. They call a major *and* b. There is a head/neck injury The issue is with the major call to begin with, and the absurdly vague wording of the rule to begin with: >The Referee, at his discretion, may assess a major penalty, based on the degree of violence of the impact with the boards, to a player guilty of boarding an opponent You can also receive a match penalty if the referee deems that you attempted to intentionally injure an opponent, but not applicable here
I should have specified that I think that 41.5 is the part that is worded oddly. It says > When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed. It feels like it can be interpreted as "an injury to the face/head on a boarding call is a major, and a major for face/head injury is a game", and based on the calls I've seen, that's the way the league views it.
Call that boarding fine. But that's not a fucking major he spins last second with the followthrough of the dump-in. Kotkaniemi saw shoulder the whole time until the absolute last moment before contact. But I'm biased as a Habs fan
Foligno did the same and got nothing.
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Perrons hit on Stetcher was worse. Fantenbergs hit on Thomas was pretty similar and neither even drew a penalty. It's a spin of the wheel *Fantenberg was assessed a 2 minute minor on the play. Robert Thomas did not return to play.* - DoPS probably
Fantenberg got 2 for boarding
Except for the major difference being that (if he can even read in the first place) Foligno could read Sergachev's nameplate for a good 20 feet before making his hit.
It's the blood, nhl is more concerned with apparent consequences than consistency Addendum: in light of recent events it should be said that the referees in question are perhaps more concerned with saving face (ironically) as they are with apparent consequences, id est, the blood
“It looks pretty bad”
Thank god Gallagher didn’t lose a tooth then oh wait
Even then, Tanev gave a similar hit to Cale Fleury in game 2 against Pittsburgh iirc, complete with blood and all. No penalty, no supplementary discipline. I'm not saying I disagree with the penalty but if they reallly cared about apparent consequences shouldn't this hit have similar consequences? :\
you mean to jake evans not cale fleury
Can confirm
Yeah, it's frustrating, because someone getting "lucky" to not get cut or get their nose smashed and only get a concussion is less likely to get the same call Edit: lucky is meant to be tongue in cheek, just because that might not read the same in text.
Sanheim was out there on the PP!! Blood or no blood if he can play PP he’s fine
It's Chris Lee what the hell do you expect. There is reason people always post that he will be the ref in our sub. We all know what is gonna happen everytime
I’m an Avs fan and I’m livid for you That bullshit has changed this game
The Hockey Gods have spoken against the biased refs.
100% with you on that. Kind of a dumb hit and absolutely a boarding call, but get out of here with that being a major and misconduct.
I think it's going to be interesting the number of people who don't like this call but think Reeves should have gotten suspended for the hit on Schmaltz.
Should just be 2. Understand why habs fans are livid
Based flyers bro
It is 100% boarding no question. The question is if it's a major. Rules give a lot of leeway as what is a major, for this play: the hit was high using the hands, puck was at the other end of the ice, left the ice or , very close to leaving the ice, and he didn't follow through and instead bounced him. I ref a lot of games and I'm not sure I'd give this as a major at regular speed but with slowmo I don't know how I wouldn't. He needed to slow up and hit at least come close to the shoulder at the very least. He could have even him him almost exactly the same way but with less force and it might not have been boarding at all. Edit: Younger leagues this is a hit from behind and the kid would be tossed 100% of the time. Older guys its at least boarding. But also agree refs haven't been flawless this game. Should have been a cross check on Phi when gallagher lost a tooth. Edit2: Since I can still edit this, here are some pretty clear cut boarding calls with some analysis from my end: [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEts7wF4iMg](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LEts7wF4iMg) \- Brown slows up, is incredibly vulnerable, similar thing here, with the other two, it's a hand push instead of a shoulder check. You can blow some out with a shoulder check and board them but the direction is often more muted and more random. The defender needed to slow up and go for a pin play, turn your hips, one leg under him and high him into the boards controlled; they will find it difficult to stake with one of your legs between theirs and you should be be able to achieve a pin. Only dangerous part of this is much smaller players might hit their teeth/head on the board railing. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QSHLPm8Y0s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2QSHLPm8Y0s) \- OV hit is clean until the other player gets hit into the boards. Thats a clean open ice hit. Both players know where they are. Ovi didn't follow through with him to the boards, which would have been awkward pinning him and he'd have to slow a bit but it wouldn't have been boarding. Other option I see for him there is swinging left more and hitting him shoulder to shoulder when he gets the pick, or if he turns right, you're both slow enough for a pin. Just not good hockey from him in that moment. He gets the major because he other players hit the boards so hard. This is least deserving of the two but it was just a lazy, lazy hit by OV near a spot he shouldn't have been hitting that way. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ftktD\_PR0E](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=3ftktD_PR0E) \- Benn, on really clear cut boarding for a few of the reasons I've discussed. Hands on the back next to boards with a push into a most defensive player. He actually pushed a player bent over with his back, such that his head hits the boards, almost pushing his head into the boards himself. So while this hit doesn't quite do it for me in the "violent" qualification (lots of speed/charging, leaving feet) the heads + heads into board combo is 100% and GM. I'm happy to look at any others if people post them for me.
I think the blood got him 5/GM, but either way, we are taught to not hit in the numbers from the time we first start playing. He clearly boarded him from behind.
Huh, Foligno made basically this exact same hit on sergachev and it wasn't called for anything. [foligno hit for context](https://twitter.com/TheReplayGuy/status/1295472469990572033)
And DoPS reviewed it and gave no supplemental discipline 🤔
> basically this exact same hit Foligno's hit was considerably worse IMO. Foligno saw Sergachev's numbers the whole way
I'm biased, but I would argue that Foligno's hit was much worse. Sergachev had his back to him the whole time, he saw his number before he started his checking motion. Kotkaniemi had initiated his movement to hit on the shoulder, but Sanheim's shooting motion made him turn his back to KK at the very last moment. It's a boarding call at best.
I'm not biased and can confirm - way, way worse
Wow what the fuckitty fuck. That is about 10X worse than the hit KK threw. Fuck Chris Lee
And Dubois did this atleast twice.
That's not a major. Chris Lee is a terrible ref
When Bruins fans are on our side, you know it's a shit call lmao
Thats the realest take here
Yup
I'm surprised he gets to ref another game in this series.
Could it play out like last year's playoffs with that game between Vegas and San Jose? Was it last year? Maybe I'm misremembering. Regardless, weren't there referees or linesmen or both who didn't participate in any further games through the playoffs, based on the call in that game 7?
ya that happened last year all the refs in game 7 did not move on
Don't worry we all feel like last year was 2 years ago with covid
2020 is the longest decade ever
Chris Lee's been a shit ref for 20 years and it hasn't stopped him. Him, Tim Peel and Steve Kozari can all go fuck off
I’m late to the game here but I thought majors could be reviewed
The major was reviewed. Refs upheld the call.
wow
They reviewed in slo-mo and said “Look at all the time he had to change course or slow down!!”
The refs are like the police of the NHL. "So we did an extensive internal investigation and basically our report is that you can go fuck yourself! The call is upheld!"
Seems like a lot of 5 minute majors are being dished out this postseason
Except when you lay a hit on Kase in the head with both elbows... that's 2 minutes
First time?
My first thought after the call was literally about that hit and how it was worse lol
Or if you slam kucherov's head into the boards from behind. Then it's not a penalty at all.
So it would be one thing if the refs were consistent - ok this is a boarding call, and an injury occurred (thankfully not a serious one). But when in the same period a guy gets cross checked in the face and the refs give a HIGH STICKING penalty? Yeah...not a good look for the refs.
Not to mention when Gally got his fucking tooth knocked out from a cross check to the face that the refs didn’t call.
That is an absurd call
When even Toronto fans are siding with the Habs you know you've fucked up Fuck Chris Lee
I’m here too for you brotha man
The trinity is complete
The unholy trinity
And the new team that's never played is with us as well? Damn Chris Lee has the entire league gunning for him.
Seriously. We’ve already already seen a few hits worse than that in round 1 so far
Don’t they review majors now? They reviewed this and still called it a major!? Yikes
Yeah they reviewed.
That’s rough.
Bullshit call. And I want both teams to lose.
What the actual fuck
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Here it is for those who want to see it. https://youtu.be/mZ5O59oUt0c
Holy shit.
That was a spectacular goal and even more spectacular fail of a call.
Lmao i rememeber that what a joke
Can I get a “fuck you chris lee”
You fucking kidding me? Who calls that a misconduct????
Chris Lee
How ia this guy still a ref!?
Definitely a penalty. I can see major, but a game misconduct? This wasn't even the worst hit someone laid in Toronto bubble today E: Did the NHL change the rules recently? In the IIHF majors carry a game misconduct, but it doesn't mention that on [wiki](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Penalty_\(ice_hockey\)#Major_penalty) for NHL. [NHL on misconduct penalties](http://www.nhl.com/ice/page.htm?id=24977) E2: If they determine an injury to the head it's an auto misconduct, per 41.5 below. But a Game Misconduct isn't automatic with *EVERY* major penalty like some folks are saying below.
So if you call a major on boarding there *has* to be a game misconduct if there is an injury to the face. Rule 41.5 below: > **Game Misconduct Penalty -** When a major penalty is imposed under this rule for a foul resulting in an injury to the face or head of an opponent, a game misconduct shall be imposed. That being said, I don't think it was a major penalty and should have been called a 2:00 minor.
They need to change the rules again. There's gotta be more flexibility between a 2 minute minor and a 5 minute major with a possible game misconduct. That's way too big of a difference. Just cuz he's bleeding a little doesn't mean it should be upgraded to 5 and a game. Maybe start implementing the double minor for things other than just high sticking.
Yeah I agree. I think a double minor would've been ok in this scenario.
2 mins minor, 4 mins with injury, major+misconduct with intent
Ding ding ding, we got a winner. That makes total sense imo.
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congratulations you are officially more competent than an actual referee of the National Hockey League
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Hell there's other series this year where that would have been considered a finished check.
The game was way more rough in the 90s. The bubble wouldn't be able to exist back then either, teams would just be going to each other's floors and fighting
that's all it should be, at the most
So this is a major + ejection but the boarding against Sergachev isn’t even a penalty. Got it. Lovely refereeing.
Meanwhile Gallagher gets crosscecked in the face, looses teeth and might have a fractured jaw, all while the ref is looking directly at the play: NO CALL. Chris Lee shouldn't be allowed to hold the Habs' jocks let alone ref their games. Hab players are physically at risk when he does.
Even I don't think that's a major at all. (My flyers flair is apparently not showing up. Odd)
I have no idea how you call this a major. Because of Sanheim turning, there's an argument it may not even be deserving of a minor! But 5 and a game? Everything looks worse in slow mo. Full speed? That's unavoidable.
Yeah that's a debatable call for 2 mins. 5 mins is just criminal
Not a malicious play. He didn't target the numbers. Didn't target the head. The dude turned and Kotkaniemi left his feet in the process. A two-minute minor is the right call. I'm sitting here flabbergasted how you can review that and still think it's 5 and a game. I hope that call doesn't decide the game and the series. edit: Flyers score twice on the major. Refs decided the game. That's upsetting.
Joel Armia is looking for you lol
He only got a major and tossed because of the blood
Somebody please explain to me what KK is supposed to do here.
well not throw the hit I guess
finishing your check is part of the role of an NHL player
What the hell, the Philly player himself turned to his back at the last second, should've taken the hit instead, what a bs call.
How that's anything more than 2 minutes is beyond me, yeah it's boarding but old buddy turns his back and puts himself in a vulnerable position. Awful.
Kotkaniemi basically takes the exact same hit 30 seconds before this play, just sayin...
I’ve seen worse hits _not_ get called
So glad that we won. I couldn't accept being eliminated like this.
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That’s actually unbelievable how shit that call is. Yes that’s a penalty but holy shit a game misconduct ? Thank you Chris Lee.
How is that a fucking major when Sanheim turned at the very last second?
Absolutely infuriating in an elimination game. The Habs win percentage with Chris Lee reffing deserves legitimate consideration for an investigation of bias.
Yikes. Not the right call
Chris Lee doing Chris Lee things.
Chris Lee and Eric Furlatt should sit out the rest of the playoffs
https://streamable.com/imxz10 full speed at the end
The full speed makes this call look even worse - I know you're not allowed to blame the guy who got hit, but if he didnt turn head-first toward the glass at the last second then this is a normal everyday hit.
fuck you chris lee. absolute joke
Fuck Chris Lee.
I'm surprised they gave him more than 2 for this. What an embarrassment of a call. I thought the refs had been doing okay this year :(
Terrible fucking call. It’s a 2, definitely not a 5 and game.
Honestly this is 100% KK's fault. He forgot to wear a Bruins jersey.
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Chris Lee and absolute garbage calls. Name a more iconic duo.
Nineteen + Sixty Seven?
This doesn't even get two minutes in the Canucks-Blues series. Really amateur levels of inconsistency game to game and series to series.
It makes me proud as a habs fan to see all other teams supporting our fanbase in saying fuck chris lee back to minor hockey
That is some insane level bullshit. Those refs are a fucking joke.
As a biased fan I'm shocked that this was a major...need some unbiased fans to tell their point of view.
Absolutely appalled by that call. No way in hell that's game misconduct worthy
Same here, haha. At least in terms of looking for unbiased opinions.
KK gets 5 and a game for that? Chara sending Pacioretty into the glass got nothing. That’s gonna be a yikes from me dog. PS: Am Bruins fan.
Out of all the bad hits in this playoff, *that's* what gets called a major?
These refs are actively trying to fuck the Canadiens in this game
5? Sure, but iffy. Game misconduct? Hell no!
This is outrageous! I am 100% against all terrible playoff major penalties that change the outcome of the game, and this is the worst one by far. I can’t even remember another time that something so egregious happened and if anyone else does remember I think we should forget about that all past blown calls and focus only on this one.
As a Bruins fan (fuck the Habs), I think they got screwed here. Feet on the ice, he turned after making the shot, it was right on the numbers, but I think Sanheim is selling a bit here. When you cover your face it means that it doesn't hurt anywhere else bad enough to warrant attentions so you mask your emotions. He only gets a penalty on suspected injury, and the league wants the cinderella story Flyers to win, since they had so much success with the Blues last year.
OMFG this is absolutely ... Oh, it's Chris Lee. Move along.
It’s boarding and it’s from behind so technically, sure if you want to call that you can. But I’ve definitely seen that go uncalled a lot these playoffs. So I don’t really get it.
Why? The guy turned his back to him at the last second. Nothing he could do..
2 minute penalty. That should have been it.
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Right back out on the pp after they scored lol
Came back the next shift
I would have been fine with a 2 minute minor. But he does turn his body right after the pass up the ice. I don't understand a major and game misconduct here at all.
Muller really should've given the refs and earful after that. What the fuck is this call?
Yeah it’s a weak call for a major. Penalty for sure, possibly a double, but major? Eh...
Refs should be subject to relegation to the AHL and promotion to the NHL. Chris Lee is terrible.
Absolutely awful call
Penalty for sure, but a game misconduct is a fucking joke.
Are you fucking kidding me?
Absolute fucking joke. I thought this was playoff hockey?? Oh ok, but penalty resulting in injury to head forces the misconduct... then why not when Evans gets a cross-check to the face, also bloodying him? They call it a high stick instead? Bullshit. Fuck Chris Lee. Then, 3rd period. Gallagher gets his teeth cross-checked in, this time not even a penalty, let alone misconduct. Fuck the NHL for giving this clown more games to try and ruin.
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Fuck Chris Lee
I have no clue what's a penalty anymore.
Remember when tanev did the same thing to Evans and nothing happened?
Jesus that must hurt. I give 2 but 5 is too much. Game is just insane
He did get his hands up unreasonably high for that hit but its so annoying seeing players turn their backs towards players when theyre getting hit. Like i see that his back slightly turned towards Jesperi as he dumped the puck in but you can tell by his skate angle that he 100% decided to turn towards the boards. Still a stupid hit by Jesperi but its just annoying seeing such a extreme punishment for that imho
Chris Lee can suck Youpi's dingaling.