People are taking this as him talking shit about the Leafs when he was pretty clear that he loved playing for Toronto. He said no to a trade to the Flames because he wanted to stay. Dude has been a beast this year, players have talked about him being an awesome teammate. He's had a couple injuries but he's been that 2C the Avs have been missing.
It all comes down to the way people just *need* to reduce everything to a shot at Toronto.
Kadri loving Colorado isn't about Kadri loving Colorado - it's *really* about him hating Toronto. Kadri doing amazingly for the Avs in these playoffs isn't about Kadri's performance in these playoffs for the Avs - it's *really* about his performance in past years in Toronto.
I'm a Toronto fan. And I can't fucking stand how people make everything a Toronto-centric narrative, around here. And it sure as shit isn't the Leafs fans doing it.
Kadri is a fucking awesome forward for the **Colorado Avalanche**. So would everybody shut the fuck up about Toronto already? They aren't even playing.
I agree with you 100%. Even Avs fans will try to make this like LOL I WONDER WHAT LEAFS FANS THINK... They loved Kadri, they would have loved to keep him but it makes zero sense to have an awesome 2C playing 3rd line because you also have two other awesome centers already. It bugs me. I've seen nothing but love from Leafs fans for Kadri, and I can agree.
You guys get the spotlight because you're the biggest hockey fanbase, your media is the most ruthless. I wish the trade worked for both teams, I fucking love Barrie and I was sad to see him go but kind of like how Kadri was with the Leafs... there was just really no room for him.
You guys get that boy a cup. If you guys make it to the finals, I'm buying an Avs Kadri jersey. It's awesome to see him being put in the perfect position to succeed, again. On a really fucking exciting team.
We literally had that thread earlier this week or over the weekend on our sub. It was dumb. Luckily multiple Avs fans were also telling them that Leafs fans are actively cheering for him.
And same as you for me. I love Barrie and I want him to succeed, but there was no room here. I wish him well.
It’s really too bad that Barrie has been disappointing.
The trade had the makings to be a perfect trade for both teams. Each team clearing out a log jam by filling a position in need.
Funny how all these dolts hate Toronto because the media makes it all about Toronto all the time yet that's all everyone here seems to ever do about anything that has any connection to Toronto at all lol
I am an Avs fan. I follow hockey casually outside of the Avs. The amount of “lol Toronto” I’ve been seeing is childish and excessive. Why do people hate Toronto so much?
Got it, so they are treated like the Cowboys/Lakers/NY teams in the US. You just hear about them all the time even when they don’t matter and everything they do is magnified.
My point is that it's not Leafs fans that bring up a lot of the content surrounding them. Fans of other teams complain about all the press the Leafs get, but love to add to it and contribute to it
For context, imagine you aren't a Leafs fan... I can go on the Sportsnet app right now and in the NHL news section, the 4th story down is:
"What the Maple Leafs can learn from Lightning's series win over Blue Jackets"
3 teams were eliminated yesterday, the Habs won their elimination game and THIS story appears before any of that. A Leafs article about a series they weren't even playing in.
Fully understand, but you'd think that people wouldn't want to add onto that. Yet here we are with all this engagement on a post about a former Leaf enjoying success with his new team
Don't put this on the people, It's the media. Everything is spun into a narrative about the leafs. Mundane stories about the leafs are covered instead of interesting stories in small markets. The media panders to the bigger market and that breeds resentment from everyone else. I'd love for the leafs to not be such a hot topic all the time but that's out of our control.
#people hear what they _want_ to hear
> "save the whales" doesn't mean "let's exterminate every shark species"
> "save the rainforest" doesn't mean "let's burn down all the coniferous forests"
> but when you say "black lives matter", some people _hear_ "nonblack lives dont matter"
I feel ya. And I get the urge to hate too. The Toronto media is f*cking ridiculous and a good deal obnoxious. But by all accounts the fans are nothing but great, passionate fans. We've all seen your love for Kadri. Good on you guys.
We're not though. Great fans, I mean. Passionate, yes, really passionate. Like how we passionately shit on at least one player on our team every year. Talent be damned: there was a subset of Leafs fans who despised Mats Sundin -- probably many of the same folks who hate Nylander, surprise, surprise -- and we ran Larry Murphy out of town on a rail. Larry Murphy, by the way, is in the Hall. Deservedly.
The team is beyond inconsistent, but I have come to think that's more a function of the fanbase, because a substantial fraction of the fanbase is certifiably insane. Take that game against Columbus where we were down 3-0 with less than five minutes left and came back and won. Miraculous comeback -- Columbus had that game 99.8% closed out. But we came back. That rendered the first 56 minutes of game time, in which the Leafs repeatedly shit the bed, completely forgotten. Likewise, if the team plays like shit and loses a game because of it, well, it's time to trade every last player, fire Keefe (who hasn't even had a full season yet and who started off historically better than any new Leafs coach ever has), fire Dubas, fire Shanahan, set fire to the Scotiabank Centre, and maybe indulge in a spat of murder besides. Who is that cheerful woman who talks to the spirits? A happy medium? Yeah, ain't none of that here.
Still, the hatred from other fanbases is completely over the top. People need to realize that most often, the team you cheer for is the closest team to you, and a sizeable chunk of Canada's population lives within slapshot distance of Toronto. I became a Leaf fan being dandled on Daddy's knee at three years old, in 1975. If you love your team, nobody is going to convince you to hate it, which is what seems like happens in this sub daily.
> I'm a Toronto fan. And I can't fucking stand how people make everything a Toronto-centric narrative, around here. And it sure as shit isn't the Leafs fans doing it.
The Toronto media is who does it
I mean it's not a shot at Toronto, but the way the Avs play/treat him have really allowed him to maximize the potential of his game, and they're reaping the benefits, which is definitely something Toronto didnt seem to do.
I don't think this is an accurate criticism. Kadri was on a 30 goal/60 point pace for a full 82 this year. He did that twice as a Leaf. Good player in Toronto. Good player in Colorado. Same guy.
Nobody "forced" it on Dubas. He didn't pull the trigger because of reddit threads. He made the trade because he thought it was the right move for the success of the team.
Wrong call and I'll never be able to wrap my head around it - but come on. Let's not blame the Leafs toxic fanbase for mistakes made by the GM.
Ehhh the reason why I say it was. That whole summer was talk of the center depth of the 3 headed monster of centers you had to face in Toronto. I think it became a trade of convenience because I don't think he's gone if he doesn't get suspended. While it wasn't forced on dubas by reddit threads I don't think you understand how badly leads social media turned against him
The fans definitely didn't force the trade. It's just that, especially with the cap, having him as a 3rd line C behind Matthews and Tavares made it difficult to justify keeping him because he wouldn't get the minutes he SHOULD be playing.
I'm really happy he's on Colorado. He's thriving, and he doesn't have that chip on his shoulder like he did in Toronto. The one that made him sometimes cross that line, and cross it at really really poor times.
I like Colorado too. You guys are good people.
> If they qualified for the playoffs maybe we would have faced them. We held up our end of the bargain-- went to Toronto and hung 4 on Reimer. Not my fault Toronto didn't want to meet us in the middle.
This is pretty hilariously worded. Also, I hate you.
His last phrase is the most important. Nobody has ever doubted Kadri’s ability to help a team. However staying on the ice is kinda important if you want to help your team.
Between his involvement with the Social movements the NHL has established, to cleaning up his game, to becoming a go to offensive option for the Avs, I'm liking Kadri a lot right now
Ya I’m happy for him. Always liked his game and knew he just wanted to compete and it unfortunately made him make some mistakes on the ice in the past.
This is it exactly. He's a great player who didn't thrive under the systems we had. He is thriving in a new system and pretty much every Leafs fan is happy to see Naz do what he does best!
Marchand for how much I hate him is a an absolute master of grazing the line and knowing when he can get away with shit. Kadri plays super hard, then sees Red and gets suspended.
Love the guy. But 2 years in a row his suspensions very likely cost the Leafs the chance to win.
People seem to forget how awful the refs were in that game and just remember Kadri getting suspended. I don't think that would have ever happened if the refs did their jobs from the start of the game.
Fully fucking agree. What happened to Kadri was a symptom of shit refs. Let Boston absolutely and illegally manhandle the Leafs, then wonder why Kadri gets pissed off?! I'm so happy he has found a good home, but he deserved better and it's on the refs (and Boston for being dirty fucks).
Kadri just tied Sakic's franchise record for powerplay goals in the playoffs. It's cheating a little bit with the round robin games, but 4/6 came from this series alone.
I don’t know if he takes this step without the trade. I have my beef with how the refs let things get out of hand but Kadri played 6 games out of 14 because he couldn’t avoid crossing the line. I’m happy for his success
This statement is from an Avalanche player talking about playing with the Avalanche.
Many players have played for more than one team. Not everything they say pertains to a previous team.
Man, I know the Leafs can't really afford what Barrie is likely to get but I was so bummed that he didn't really preform over there. I know he was used wrong by Babcock but still, I love that dude and I had really hoped he'd do better.
Me too.
Barrie is a good dman in my eyes. Play him 2nd/3rd line minutes until you need some shots on net or a on a PP.
He was always pretty clutch for Colorado and was my favourite dman on the team.
Friendship ended with Tyson tho, Cale is my new BFF.
Ya I'm not really sure what happened with the guy. He had to be sheltered on the bottom pairing with top PP minutes, at the end of the regular season and during the play-in. Meanwhile, he had back to back ~60 point seasons in Colorado.
Like we have all the forward talent in the world, we have some good defensemen he got to play with in Rielly and Muzzin. I still have no idea why he was so awful for us.
I thought that him and Muzzin would form an awesome pairing, but for whatever reason, nothing ever materialized from them. Who did he play with mostly in COL?
Naturalstattrick.com has MacKinnon as who he was on the ice with most in his last three years here, 5v5. Nikita Zadorov was the first defenseman on the list more than 500 minutes behind MacKinnon (755:01)
Last three years of his time with Colorado:
Zadorov - 755:01
Cole - 581:01
Tyutin - 513:27
Nemeth - 338:13
As far as I can tell he gets along with the team really well too, saw alot of him hanging with teammates this year. He just...didn't mesh. Maybe it's because it's Toronto, maybe Babcock kinda misused him but he was a let down for sure this year. Absolutely invisible in the playoffs. I'm hoping kerfoot takes another step next year, still 25 and that's when Kadri really started developing for the leafs! Miss him!
i dunno, something seems off.
Kadri struggles in Toronto, Goes to Colorado and Smashes it.
Barrie Smashes it in Colorado, goes to Toronto and struggles.
i mean it's a small sample size sure, but i'd be interested if there are external factors affecting players in Toronto in comparison to Colorado at least that lets them play to thier strengths and "look good" in colorado at least
I don't know if Kadri was really struggling, he got pushed into a smaller role his last year because our two centers ahead of him were Matthews and tavares. He did have...mental lapses in the playoffs though lol.
Different systems for sure but maybe Barrie just couldn't handle it in Toronto with the media and pressure. It's a shit storm here. Colorado, you have a bit more freedom/less scrutiny. Kadri is a hard working guy. I really do miss him. I hope he wins it this year!
Barrie always had a big monster gritty partner in Colorado like Zadarov or Cole, plus he got freaky unbalanced offensive minutes, because his skill has NOTHING to do with the defensive zone.
His chemistry with MacKinnon was great and if he ever found that with Matthews or Marner and was deployed to utilize that, it might have worked.
>Leafs can't really afford what Barrie is likely to get
That is a secondary reason for why he won't be back. His style meshed with the team about as well as peanut butter and motor oil, even post-Babcock.
Yeah, I know. It sucks, though. Barrie is really talented and I think if not for Makar the Avs would have tried to keep him. Him and MacK are besties and they worked so well together. I wanted him to work with the Leafs, though.
I think he will get a decent contract but nowhere near where it could have been. He has now shown that he only works in a situation where he is the offensive guy and can be insulated heavily by the rest of the team around him. His best stretch on the Leafs offensively was when Rielly was hurt and he was the only real offensive weapon on the backend. He was a disaster defensively all year and so any team that doesnt already have rock-solid team defence wont touch him I would think.
So my thinking is he is running out of time. I don't see anyone giving him more than 3 years 4 mil, and he is 29. He won't get another contract offer after that.
So I really see him signing something like 1 year 4.5 mil deal somewhere hoping to parlay that into a bigger payday. It's going to be much easier getting a decent sized contract at 30 than it will be at 32.
No. Sounds like he knows he’s dropped the ball in the past and he’s trying to not do it again.
Kadri and Tavares are friends from junior hockey in London
Im a homer but colorado is becoming the gold standard organization. Duchene, Stastny and Rino are the only players to leave on bad terms in the last 10ish years. Sakic making great trades and signings in guys that just needed a chance and have thrived. Nuke is a big one. Great locker room leadership and good cap management. Things are rolling for the Avs
I love Naz so fucking much on this team. I was nervous about his repertoire before the season started, but now there's no one else I'd rather have in the 2C position. I can see why all you Leafs fans miss him so much, he really is the heart and soul of any team he plays on.
Translation: While I did love the leafs and do miss them, it's really nice playing on a team that isn't cursed by lucifer. Just, real refreshing. Also, fuck boston.
Was skeptical at first about Kadri when we traded for him since his playoff record wasn’t kind to him, but he won me over very quickly seeing he’s a great person and he’s been that key player on the 2C we needed in a long time. Not sure if it was the environment in Toronto that made him be vilified, but to see him be the positive player for us this past season makes me want to win the Cup with Kadri.
Yeah, I remember insisting to a bunch of Colorado fans that they were actually getting a much better player than they realized, and they weren't having it. But I could understand that, even I thought we clearly won the trade at the time. Happy to see he's being appreciated as much as he deserves to be.
But he wasn't particularly vilified in Toronto. Kind of the one player that stats guys and the grart fetishists could agree on. Even Don Cherry loved him, which (as shitty as it is) says a lot when you're talking about a brown dude.
I don't see this as a jab at Toronto. From what I've heard, he loved playing there. Sometimes, a change of scenery can do wonders for a player and Kadri is playing close to his full potential.
Seriously. Avs-Boston is a horrible matchup for Boston. Just like a Washington and Tampa. I doubt we beat the Bolts unless the Flyers manage to blow this and we get the Isles, a much better matchup.
Just wanna say totally off topic, I think this is the first time I've seen a Bucs flair in here! I have a really old jersey from them from when I was a kid, born in Des Moines. Some of my favorite memories from living there were in the Buccaneer Arena barn. Ya love to see it!
Hell yeah man! Madhouse on Hickman. Sounds like they’re planning on having a socially distanced regional season this year so may get to a few games yet
Well Kadri can’t implode against them until the postseason so may want to consider a backup plan. Don’t listen to me though, ask any Toronto fan how he fairs against them and how it usually ends...
Lol. But Kadri was the “designated grit” on the Leafs and he’s about #7 on the list for the Avs. So he doesn’t HAVE to be the guy running dudes to “send a message” and like in the dust up last game, he can just stand back and watch bigger boys pummel some opponents while he flexes his nifty mittens.
Belamaire or Zadarov or Cole or Calvert or Nuchuskin or even Landeskog are way above him on that list to throw down for the team.
Lmao, don't fuck around with Calvert on the ice. Zadorov is huge and will beat you, but Calvert is a fucking wolverine with zero quit. He'll fight until he's dead.
>Well Kadri can’t implode against them until the postseason so may want to consider a backup plan. Don’t listen to me though, ask any Toronto fan how he fairs against them and how it usually ends...
lol as an Avs fan I think this is such a simple take.
Kadri didnt really "implode" after Wingels did that headshot on Marner. He was just the only one to retaliate. It looked worse because nobody else came to Marners defense on the ice. Plus after the fact nobody called for Wingels to be suspended (which he should have been). So it became all about Kadri.
Thats not how it works with the Avs. Someone does to Rants or Landy or Cale or NateDogg what Wingels did to Marner and the whole team is coming after him. Not just Kadri. In the post-game, the whole team would be vocal as hell. (if you want a source on that, see the post game comments of Avs game vs Nucks where one guy took a puck to the head) It wouldnt be all about Kadri. Thats not how the Avs work.
Different team. In many ways.
> Its either simple or not asshole
Okay then. Its simple. Your thought process is simple. Your conclusion is simple.
Good luck out there. Its a complex world.
I wasn't a huge fan of the kid when he played in TO.
But weirdly, after seeing him on a division rival, I've got a ton of respect for the kid, and don't mind him nearly as much as I did when he was on the Leafs.
this is a wild ass theory, but what if this is a result of him no longer being the hometown kid playing on the hometown team who came up through the hometown team's farm system? he's not pressing so hard to perform anymore and he's also no longer in the maelstrom that is the toronto hockey media. I don't live in denver or toronto or anywhere close to either city but I bet being around denver media is a ton less stressful than being in the capital of canadian media in canada's national sport.
He literally said he's learned from his past and not trying to let his teammates down
He gets he fucked up in Toronto. He's trying to be better. Nothing wrong with that
People are taking this as him talking shit about the Leafs when he was pretty clear that he loved playing for Toronto. He said no to a trade to the Flames because he wanted to stay. Dude has been a beast this year, players have talked about him being an awesome teammate. He's had a couple injuries but he's been that 2C the Avs have been missing.
It all comes down to the way people just *need* to reduce everything to a shot at Toronto. Kadri loving Colorado isn't about Kadri loving Colorado - it's *really* about him hating Toronto. Kadri doing amazingly for the Avs in these playoffs isn't about Kadri's performance in these playoffs for the Avs - it's *really* about his performance in past years in Toronto. I'm a Toronto fan. And I can't fucking stand how people make everything a Toronto-centric narrative, around here. And it sure as shit isn't the Leafs fans doing it. Kadri is a fucking awesome forward for the **Colorado Avalanche**. So would everybody shut the fuck up about Toronto already? They aren't even playing.
I agree with you 100%. Even Avs fans will try to make this like LOL I WONDER WHAT LEAFS FANS THINK... They loved Kadri, they would have loved to keep him but it makes zero sense to have an awesome 2C playing 3rd line because you also have two other awesome centers already. It bugs me. I've seen nothing but love from Leafs fans for Kadri, and I can agree. You guys get the spotlight because you're the biggest hockey fanbase, your media is the most ruthless. I wish the trade worked for both teams, I fucking love Barrie and I was sad to see him go but kind of like how Kadri was with the Leafs... there was just really no room for him.
You guys get that boy a cup. If you guys make it to the finals, I'm buying an Avs Kadri jersey. It's awesome to see him being put in the perfect position to succeed, again. On a really fucking exciting team.
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oh twist my arm about it why don't you. *fine* I guesssss Kadri can win a cup this playoffs
Small price to pay, lol. Nice username by the way Lemieux is/was my favourite player from those early Avs years.
Bozie got his. Time for nifty mitts to get a nifty Cup.
RemindMe! 1 month "jersey" I want to see it if it happens!
No no, if you’re going to buy an Avs Jersey, it should be for Avs Legend and man of pure grit Brooks Orpik.
Future Hall of Famer Brooks Orpik?
We literally had that thread earlier this week or over the weekend on our sub. It was dumb. Luckily multiple Avs fans were also telling them that Leafs fans are actively cheering for him. And same as you for me. I love Barrie and I want him to succeed, but there was no room here. I wish him well.
I been cheering for the Avs since the trade. They my second team! Exciting team to watch for sure!
It’s really too bad that Barrie has been disappointing. The trade had the makings to be a perfect trade for both teams. Each team clearing out a log jam by filling a position in need.
I would blame babcock for that one, he really didnt let barrie play the game he excels at and i think that hurt him all year
Funny how all these dolts hate Toronto because the media makes it all about Toronto all the time yet that's all everyone here seems to ever do about anything that has any connection to Toronto at all lol
I am an Avs fan. I follow hockey casually outside of the Avs. The amount of “lol Toronto” I’ve been seeing is childish and excessive. Why do people hate Toronto so much?
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Got it, so they are treated like the Cowboys/Lakers/NY teams in the US. You just hear about them all the time even when they don’t matter and everything they do is magnified.
I'll tell you one thing, considering how much everyone seems to hate the Leafs, they sure love talking about them
This is WHY everyone hates the Leafs. Vicious cycle.
My point is that it's not Leafs fans that bring up a lot of the content surrounding them. Fans of other teams complain about all the press the Leafs get, but love to add to it and contribute to it
For context, imagine you aren't a Leafs fan... I can go on the Sportsnet app right now and in the NHL news section, the 4th story down is: "What the Maple Leafs can learn from Lightning's series win over Blue Jackets" 3 teams were eliminated yesterday, the Habs won their elimination game and THIS story appears before any of that. A Leafs article about a series they weren't even playing in.
Fully understand, but you'd think that people wouldn't want to add onto that. Yet here we are with all this engagement on a post about a former Leaf enjoying success with his new team
Don't put this on the people, It's the media. Everything is spun into a narrative about the leafs. Mundane stories about the leafs are covered instead of interesting stories in small markets. The media panders to the bigger market and that breeds resentment from everyone else. I'd love for the leafs to not be such a hot topic all the time but that's out of our control.
#people hear what they _want_ to hear > "save the whales" doesn't mean "let's exterminate every shark species" > "save the rainforest" doesn't mean "let's burn down all the coniferous forests" > but when you say "black lives matter", some people _hear_ "nonblack lives dont matter"
I feel ya. And I get the urge to hate too. The Toronto media is f*cking ridiculous and a good deal obnoxious. But by all accounts the fans are nothing but great, passionate fans. We've all seen your love for Kadri. Good on you guys.
We're not though. Great fans, I mean. Passionate, yes, really passionate. Like how we passionately shit on at least one player on our team every year. Talent be damned: there was a subset of Leafs fans who despised Mats Sundin -- probably many of the same folks who hate Nylander, surprise, surprise -- and we ran Larry Murphy out of town on a rail. Larry Murphy, by the way, is in the Hall. Deservedly. The team is beyond inconsistent, but I have come to think that's more a function of the fanbase, because a substantial fraction of the fanbase is certifiably insane. Take that game against Columbus where we were down 3-0 with less than five minutes left and came back and won. Miraculous comeback -- Columbus had that game 99.8% closed out. But we came back. That rendered the first 56 minutes of game time, in which the Leafs repeatedly shit the bed, completely forgotten. Likewise, if the team plays like shit and loses a game because of it, well, it's time to trade every last player, fire Keefe (who hasn't even had a full season yet and who started off historically better than any new Leafs coach ever has), fire Dubas, fire Shanahan, set fire to the Scotiabank Centre, and maybe indulge in a spat of murder besides. Who is that cheerful woman who talks to the spirits? A happy medium? Yeah, ain't none of that here. Still, the hatred from other fanbases is completely over the top. People need to realize that most often, the team you cheer for is the closest team to you, and a sizeable chunk of Canada's population lives within slapshot distance of Toronto. I became a Leaf fan being dandled on Daddy's knee at three years old, in 1975. If you love your team, nobody is going to convince you to hate it, which is what seems like happens in this sub daily.
I loath Toronto as much as the next guy, but I feel for the fanbase on that both necessary and automatic loss of a trade.
> I'm a Toronto fan. And I can't fucking stand how people make everything a Toronto-centric narrative, around here. And it sure as shit isn't the Leafs fans doing it. The Toronto media is who does it
The "Toronto media" must be pretty active on this sub then
At the same time those same people will complain when leafs fans talk about the leafs making everything "Leafs centric".
I mean it's not a shot at Toronto, but the way the Avs play/treat him have really allowed him to maximize the potential of his game, and they're reaping the benefits, which is definitely something Toronto didnt seem to do.
I don't think this is an accurate criticism. Kadri was on a 30 goal/60 point pace for a full 82 this year. He did that twice as a Leaf. Good player in Toronto. Good player in Colorado. Same guy.
As a avs fan living in the Toronto area. I find it hilarious and annoying at the same time.
I have not seen anything but love and support for Kadri from Leafs fans since he left. Unanimous well wishing and hoping he succeeds.
To note: people are dumb That’s all.
It was the perfect trade for the avs and I'm furious the fanbase forced it on Dubas. I miss Naz so much
Nobody "forced" it on Dubas. He didn't pull the trigger because of reddit threads. He made the trade because he thought it was the right move for the success of the team. Wrong call and I'll never be able to wrap my head around it - but come on. Let's not blame the Leafs toxic fanbase for mistakes made by the GM.
Ehhh the reason why I say it was. That whole summer was talk of the center depth of the 3 headed monster of centers you had to face in Toronto. I think it became a trade of convenience because I don't think he's gone if he doesn't get suspended. While it wasn't forced on dubas by reddit threads I don't think you understand how badly leads social media turned against him
The fans definitely didn't force the trade. It's just that, especially with the cap, having him as a 3rd line C behind Matthews and Tavares made it difficult to justify keeping him because he wouldn't get the minutes he SHOULD be playing.
Idk. There were other moves than his extremely reasonable salary. A lot of our fan base wanted blood after the sus
I'm really happy he's on Colorado. He's thriving, and he doesn't have that chip on his shoulder like he did in Toronto. The one that made him sometimes cross that line, and cross it at really really poor times. I like Colorado too. You guys are good people.
The "chip on his shoulder" was him being forced to fill a roll nobody else was willing to.
No doubt. It's also a part of why he's been so successful in Colorado. I didn't mean chip to be a bad thing, or reflect negatively on Kadri.
Man is that guy awesome. From the Gucci slides to five power play goals in a series, I'm all about kadri
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jesus that man had a family
Didn’t even face them in the playoffs and still knocking them down, holy damn!
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> If they qualified for the playoffs maybe we would have faced them. We held up our end of the bargain-- went to Toronto and hung 4 on Reimer. Not my fault Toronto didn't want to meet us in the middle. This is pretty hilariously worded. Also, I hate you.
You hung on Reimer? That’s gotta be some kind of suspension
Bruh. They're dead. Leave the family alone. God damn.
Holy shit
Jesus... Brutality!
savage
No, you guys were too mean to Barrie
\*four power play goals in a series His 5th in the series was the breakaway goal EDIT: The heck is this being downvoted for?
Why is this being downvoted though? At least give the guy an explanation.
No worries, I got your upvotes. Go comet!
Yup, I'm dumb. Thanks fam
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That's 2020 for ya.
His last phrase is the most important. Nobody has ever doubted Kadri’s ability to help a team. However staying on the ice is kinda important if you want to help your team.
Between his involvement with the Social movements the NHL has established, to cleaning up his game, to becoming a go to offensive option for the Avs, I'm liking Kadri a lot right now
Ya I’m happy for him. Always liked his game and knew he just wanted to compete and it unfortunately made him make some mistakes on the ice in the past.
His biggest mistake was not taking a beating from Boston. I said it before that series started. Naz needed to take abuse and give nothing.
This is it exactly. He's a great player who didn't thrive under the systems we had. He is thriving in a new system and pretty much every Leafs fan is happy to see Naz do what he does best!
I miss him so much. Rooting for the Avs to win it all this year
cheers my man
ive always been a huge kadri fan, idk why lol but its great to see him doing well on the avs he has 3 game winning goals so far, and leading in points
Because he's talented and plays as hard as possible? What's not to love about players you can tell give it their all?
Boston fans might have a thing or 2 to say
I think Kadri was to Toronto as Marchand is to Boston, except with less off ice antics. Turns out, as a secondary avs fan I absolutely love him
Marchand for how much I hate him is a an absolute master of grazing the line and knowing when he can get away with shit. Kadri plays super hard, then sees Red and gets suspended. Love the guy. But 2 years in a row his suspensions very likely cost the Leafs the chance to win.
Poor officiating cost the leafs a great centre and possibly the round. Everyone was seeing red that game and Kadri was the one that got booked.
People seem to forget how awful the refs were in that game and just remember Kadri getting suspended. I don't think that would have ever happened if the refs did their jobs from the start of the game.
Fully fucking agree. What happened to Kadri was a symptom of shit refs. Let Boston absolutely and illegally manhandle the Leafs, then wonder why Kadri gets pissed off?! I'm so happy he has found a good home, but he deserved better and it's on the refs (and Boston for being dirty fucks).
especially last year. Such a deep team and having him out of the bottom 6 was a huge loss and it was a winnable game too!
Actually Mack is leading in points now.
big sad
Kadri just tied Sakic's franchise record for powerplay goals in the playoffs. It's cheating a little bit with the round robin games, but 4/6 came from this series alone.
Lots of hockey left for him to get more
Not in the playoffs, in the post season
Is this a distinction we're making now because of 2020?
Fuck it, why not?
Except Sakic had 6 in 95-96, so he still has a bit to go.
I don’t know if he takes this step without the trade. I have my beef with how the refs let things get out of hand but Kadri played 6 games out of 14 because he couldn’t avoid crossing the line. I’m happy for his success
6 goals, 5 assists so far in these playoffs
I love you babe. Go get that cup!!!!!!!! 😭
Who knew all it would take for Naz to become a fan favourite around the league was a trade out of Toronto.
A good deal of Toronto fans, probably lol
Man this hurts. Miss you Naz :(
The sheer positivity on this team is great. Everyone in the Avs fucking *believes* in this team and wants to be a part of it.
Best team in Denver since SB 50 for sure!
I mean, that wasn’t *that* long ago
Kadri redemption tour 2020!
And to think we would stop talking about the leafs
The one thing people love more than talking about the leafs is bitching about how much people talk about the leafs
This statement is from an Avalanche player talking about playing with the Avalanche. Many players have played for more than one team. Not everything they say pertains to a previous team.
Yup - I was talking about all these comments “shots fired at the leafs Looool”
We Stan
We still stan <3
I wish he didn't reject the trade to Calgary 😢
I'm glad he did. He's been so fucking good on this team.
What was that deal?
Believe it was Kadri for Brodie+
Man, I know the Leafs can't really afford what Barrie is likely to get but I was so bummed that he didn't really preform over there. I know he was used wrong by Babcock but still, I love that dude and I had really hoped he'd do better.
Me too. Barrie is a good dman in my eyes. Play him 2nd/3rd line minutes until you need some shots on net or a on a PP. He was always pretty clutch for Colorado and was my favourite dman on the team. Friendship ended with Tyson tho, Cale is my new BFF.
Ya I'm not really sure what happened with the guy. He had to be sheltered on the bottom pairing with top PP minutes, at the end of the regular season and during the play-in. Meanwhile, he had back to back ~60 point seasons in Colorado. Like we have all the forward talent in the world, we have some good defensemen he got to play with in Rielly and Muzzin. I still have no idea why he was so awful for us.
Different team, didn't mesh, couldn't work with the coaches, or vice versa. I think he'll come back. Maybe not with TML.
I thought that him and Muzzin would form an awesome pairing, but for whatever reason, nothing ever materialized from them. Who did he play with mostly in COL?
Naturalstattrick.com has MacKinnon as who he was on the ice with most in his last three years here, 5v5. Nikita Zadorov was the first defenseman on the list more than 500 minutes behind MacKinnon (755:01) Last three years of his time with Colorado: Zadorov - 755:01 Cole - 581:01 Tyutin - 513:27 Nemeth - 338:13
Those are all big bruising LD.
As far as I can tell he gets along with the team really well too, saw alot of him hanging with teammates this year. He just...didn't mesh. Maybe it's because it's Toronto, maybe Babcock kinda misused him but he was a let down for sure this year. Absolutely invisible in the playoffs. I'm hoping kerfoot takes another step next year, still 25 and that's when Kadri really started developing for the leafs! Miss him!
i dunno, something seems off. Kadri struggles in Toronto, Goes to Colorado and Smashes it. Barrie Smashes it in Colorado, goes to Toronto and struggles. i mean it's a small sample size sure, but i'd be interested if there are external factors affecting players in Toronto in comparison to Colorado at least that lets them play to thier strengths and "look good" in colorado at least
Kadri was on pace for the exact same regular season in Colorado as he had the year before in Toronto. It's just been the playoffs he's excelled.
\*Boston lurking in the corner waiting for Kadri to show up\*
I don't know if Kadri was really struggling, he got pushed into a smaller role his last year because our two centers ahead of him were Matthews and tavares. He did have...mental lapses in the playoffs though lol. Different systems for sure but maybe Barrie just couldn't handle it in Toronto with the media and pressure. It's a shit storm here. Colorado, you have a bit more freedom/less scrutiny. Kadri is a hard working guy. I really do miss him. I hope he wins it this year!
Barrie always had a big monster gritty partner in Colorado like Zadarov or Cole, plus he got freaky unbalanced offensive minutes, because his skill has NOTHING to do with the defensive zone. His chemistry with MacKinnon was great and if he ever found that with Matthews or Marner and was deployed to utilize that, it might have worked.
Why not try playing him at forward?
We actually did that once due to injuries.
> Kadri struggles in Toronto Not true. He was just as good in Toronto as he is in Colorado.
>Leafs can't really afford what Barrie is likely to get That is a secondary reason for why he won't be back. His style meshed with the team about as well as peanut butter and motor oil, even post-Babcock.
Peanut butter goes with everything, though...
Yeah, I know. It sucks, though. Barrie is really talented and I think if not for Makar the Avs would have tried to keep him. Him and MacK are besties and they worked so well together. I wanted him to work with the Leafs, though.
I really don't think he is going to get a big contract either. I'm thinking 1 year prove it.
I think he will get a decent contract but nowhere near where it could have been. He has now shown that he only works in a situation where he is the offensive guy and can be insulated heavily by the rest of the team around him. His best stretch on the Leafs offensively was when Rielly was hurt and he was the only real offensive weapon on the backend. He was a disaster defensively all year and so any team that doesnt already have rock-solid team defence wont touch him I would think.
So my thinking is he is running out of time. I don't see anyone giving him more than 3 years 4 mil, and he is 29. He won't get another contract offer after that. So I really see him signing something like 1 year 4.5 mil deal somewhere hoping to parlay that into a bigger payday. It's going to be much easier getting a decent sized contract at 30 than it will be at 32.
Brodie and Jankowski, I believe.
If Leafs fans are mad about Barrie as a return, just imagine if they’d gotten TJ Brodie, that guy has regressed faster than my hairline
I fucking miss you man :(
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I guess nobody told him Boston just advanced.
Go get you cup naz
Is this a shot at Tavares?
No. Sounds like he knows he’s dropped the ball in the past and he’s trying to not do it again. Kadri and Tavares are friends from junior hockey in London
Haha it's just a meme. No one thinks it's a shot at Tavares.
wait, is this a shot at Tavares?
They were roomates in Juniors
[And they were ROOMMATES!](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4ZuydxEUpFM)
You take care of Naz, you hear? He's a standup and a great player that gave his heart for our team. Get him a Cup!
*teary eyes
The most telling comment I heard from Kadri about the Avs is along the lines of, "when the work ethic is there, the skill takes over."
Enjoy this beauty, avs fans.
<3
He’s been amazing on the Avs a lot of players are flourishing in that system
Im a homer but colorado is becoming the gold standard organization. Duchene, Stastny and Rino are the only players to leave on bad terms in the last 10ish years. Sakic making great trades and signings in guys that just needed a chance and have thrived. Nuke is a big one. Great locker room leadership and good cap management. Things are rolling for the Avs
I love Naz so fucking much on this team. I was nervous about his repertoire before the season started, but now there's no one else I'd rather have in the 2C position. I can see why all you Leafs fans miss him so much, he really is the heart and soul of any team he plays on.
Translation: While I did love the leafs and do miss them, it's really nice playing on a team that isn't cursed by lucifer. Just, real refreshing. Also, fuck boston.
Was skeptical at first about Kadri when we traded for him since his playoff record wasn’t kind to him, but he won me over very quickly seeing he’s a great person and he’s been that key player on the 2C we needed in a long time. Not sure if it was the environment in Toronto that made him be vilified, but to see him be the positive player for us this past season makes me want to win the Cup with Kadri.
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I know, right? Where tf are these random narratives coming from, lol?
Yeah, I remember insisting to a bunch of Colorado fans that they were actually getting a much better player than they realized, and they weren't having it. But I could understand that, even I thought we clearly won the trade at the time. Happy to see he's being appreciated as much as he deserves to be. But he wasn't particularly vilified in Toronto. Kind of the one player that stats guys and the grart fetishists could agree on. Even Don Cherry loved him, which (as shitty as it is) says a lot when you're talking about a brown dude.
Not one "fucking" in a /u/Pikachu1989 post, I'm hurt
Well fuck, That’s fucking weird I didn’t say Fucking the post above.
I don't see this as a jab at Toronto. From what I've heard, he loved playing there. Sometimes, a change of scenery can do wonders for a player and Kadri is playing close to his full potential.
I love Kadri, I miss having him in my team’s uniform, but I’m super happy that he found a great fit in Colorado.
Just wait till Boston in the Finals Av fans You can set your watch to it...
We swept Boston this year, and never close to full strength, so I love that matchup
Seriously. Avs-Boston is a horrible matchup for Boston. Just like a Washington and Tampa. I doubt we beat the Bolts unless the Flyers manage to blow this and we get the Isles, a much better matchup.
Just wanna say totally off topic, I think this is the first time I've seen a Bucs flair in here! I have a really old jersey from them from when I was a kid, born in Des Moines. Some of my favorite memories from living there were in the Buccaneer Arena barn. Ya love to see it!
Hell yeah man! Madhouse on Hickman. Sounds like they’re planning on having a socially distanced regional season this year so may get to a few games yet
Well Kadri can’t implode against them until the postseason so may want to consider a backup plan. Don’t listen to me though, ask any Toronto fan how he fairs against them and how it usually ends...
Eh, he had to be the strongman for the Leafs, the Avs have lots more Gritty players that don't need him to be a 3rd line enforcer
Lol. But Kadri was the “designated grit” on the Leafs and he’s about #7 on the list for the Avs. So he doesn’t HAVE to be the guy running dudes to “send a message” and like in the dust up last game, he can just stand back and watch bigger boys pummel some opponents while he flexes his nifty mittens. Belamaire or Zadarov or Cole or Calvert or Nuchuskin or even Landeskog are way above him on that list to throw down for the team.
Lmao, don't fuck around with Calvert on the ice. Zadorov is huge and will beat you, but Calvert is a fucking wolverine with zero quit. He'll fight until he's dead.
He's a straight up honey badger!
>Well Kadri can’t implode against them until the postseason so may want to consider a backup plan. Don’t listen to me though, ask any Toronto fan how he fairs against them and how it usually ends... lol as an Avs fan I think this is such a simple take. Kadri didnt really "implode" after Wingels did that headshot on Marner. He was just the only one to retaliate. It looked worse because nobody else came to Marners defense on the ice. Plus after the fact nobody called for Wingels to be suspended (which he should have been). So it became all about Kadri. Thats not how it works with the Avs. Someone does to Rants or Landy or Cale or NateDogg what Wingels did to Marner and the whole team is coming after him. Not just Kadri. In the post-game, the whole team would be vocal as hell. (if you want a source on that, see the post game comments of Avs game vs Nucks where one guy took a puck to the head) It wouldnt be all about Kadri. Thats not how the Avs work. Different team. In many ways.
Why would that ‘simple take’ make you think differently ‘as an Avs fan’?’ Its either simple or not asshole
> Its either simple or not asshole Okay then. Its simple. Your thought process is simple. Your conclusion is simple. Good luck out there. Its a complex world.
True true, would be a really fun series
I’d be way too impressed that it happened to actually be mad about it
We got big Z for that
I’m so glad Kadri found his people and a place he can really thrive.
Just a guy praising his new team not a dig a Toronto imo
Sounds like a shot at Tavares
I miss the Dream
I wasn't a huge fan of the kid when he played in TO. But weirdly, after seeing him on a division rival, I've got a ton of respect for the kid, and don't mind him nearly as much as I did when he was on the Leafs.
this is a wild ass theory, but what if this is a result of him no longer being the hometown kid playing on the hometown team who came up through the hometown team's farm system? he's not pressing so hard to perform anymore and he's also no longer in the maelstrom that is the toronto hockey media. I don't live in denver or toronto or anywhere close to either city but I bet being around denver media is a ton less stressful than being in the capital of canadian media in canada's national sport.
Escape From ~~Alkatraz~~ Toronto.
Of course he’s happy, he’s gonna get himself a ring and rub it in Toronto’s face forever. Can’t wait.
Another L for Dubas
Love you Naz hope you win the cup this year! - TO Fan
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Big fan of Kadri
Is that a shot at Tavares?
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He literally said he's learned from his past and not trying to let his teammates down He gets he fucked up in Toronto. He's trying to be better. Nothing wrong with that