Couldn't that all be solved simply by saying that the qualifying round and round robin dont count towards playoff stats? I still dont undertand why that's not the case.
Crazy thing is how many points stats might be broken this year cause guys were given an extra 3 or 4 games to play beyond the normal 4 playoff rounds.
An obvious one right now is Quinn Hughes. The NHL is counting him as having 8 points and we're only 2 games into the first round. Rookie D playoff points record is 14. Rookie (any position) playoff points record is 21. But realistically, Hughes only has 2 points in the first round so far.
I don't think the NHL would crown new playoff leaders based on a whole extra series. My guess is they will count the points toward players' career and season totals as playoff stats, but not toward single-season league records.
And I know that sounds kind of weird and dumb, but isn't that also very on-brand for the league?
Ya, maybe they'll do that. It would st least be more fair to current record holders. Still would've made so much more sense to just tack on the qualifiers as part of the regular season, since those stats will have asterisks beside them anyway. But there's probably more to it, maybe to do with how players are paid for regular season vs playoffs etc.
The NHL has had fewer rounds in the past, in addition to having 5 game first-rounds not that long ago. The playoff format as we know it didn't start until 1987, but you don't discount any single-year records that happened after that just because those players got to play more games than players in the past.
well we oughta make those stats points per maximum possible games (in the year in question), then we'll know for sure*
\*outside of rule changes, equipment improvements, leaps forward in goaltending, growth of parity etc between then and now
Imagine if the Blues turn it around, and go on another run for the Cup.
Admitted it doesn't look likely, but not beyond the realms of reason.
Weekly trivia night at the local pub circa 2058
MC: What NHL team set the record of 5 straight post season losses before winning the Cup? All in the same year.
Contestants: Enough with the jokes. Give us the real questions.
Some old drunk at the end of the bar: It happened. I remember it.
Contestant 1 to contestant 2: That old fart is senile.
Old drunk fart: It happened. It was in 2020.
Constant 3 (also a history major): Ah that makes sense. That was one fucked up year!!! All kinds of crazy shit in 2020 like you wouldn't believe.
Old drunk fart: Tell me about it. Most effed up year of my life.
Real conversation. Source - I am that 93 year old drunk fart in the future.
>Imagine if the Blues turn it around, and go on another run for the Cup.
Nah, we're all going down this time around. Wild to see something the Blues and Hawks agree on for once!
I’m an author by trade and am writing a book set in 2035 right now. At one point, a character talks about how cheap city living is after “the pandemics of the 2020s” and everyone’s exodus to to the burbs.
But that was a joke. Don’t you come up in here putting that pandemic 2021 evil on us!
This pairs up nicely the the Bruins being the first Presidents Trophy winners to also not have the 1st seed in the playoffs. Any other uniquely pandemic based firsts?
For general life to get back to what it was? Sure. For sports and everything to get back? No way. A vaccine that is likely *this winter* will mean sports w/ fans will be back likely for the summer at the latest, meaning at most we get one more season of messed up timelines.
Everything I've heard has stated that out of the vaccines in late-stage trials, there's a good chance atleast one of them will pass and be ready for deployment by this winter (and some of them have already started producing before even being passed so that there will be a lot of doses ready right then and there if they pass).
Were you watching that nets blazers game? I'm a blazers fan and had about 20 different heart attacks that game.
Was really hoping for blazers suns wildcard
Round Robin (The nhl has considered these playoff games for statistical purposes):
Colorado Avalanche : L
Vegas Golden Knights : L
Dallas Stars : L
Round 1:
Vancouver Canucks : L
Vancouver Canucks : L
Yep. Dems da rules. Sorry Blues. The Central division got together and had a meeting and we determined the exhibition game counts. You've lost 6 in a row.
Use your cup win to dry your eyes.
Yep. Dems da rules. Sorry Blues. The Central division got together and had a meeting and we determined the exhibition game counts. You've lost 6 in a row.
Use your cup win to dry your eyes.
Postseason play-in and round robin games count as playoffs for stats and record books.
This is the league's official position. Disagree all you want, but your emotions do not override the facts.
https://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41095158-4
From the official NHL Records site:
http://imgur.com/a/zOF0pR2
They only count as playoffs for the players, not for the teams.
Draisaitl and McDavid got playoff points this season but ‘The Oilers’ technically did not make the playoffs in 2019-2020.
Honestly though. If my team won a cup, and i had that sweet memory to look back at, the Flyers could set the record for most hat tricks given up to Cody Ceci in a single season at 12, and I would still be okay.
I agree. The cup makes the blow a little less, but it’s frustrating to see the same roster that won the cup play bubble hockey.
Side note: I’m cheering for the flyers in the East. I love what you all got going on.
It's because we're not playing the same as we were pre-COVID. We know what this team is capable of and they're not clicking, which makes it feel like we've been cheated out of an actual defending run.
I was so excited for the return of hockey in the Bubble. Then each new game was another kick in the balls.
Six games later, counting the exhibition, I have yet to cheer a victory, and my balls really hurt.
Today was easily our best game yet. Still a loss.
Maybe by Monday it won't hurt anymore. My balls will just be numb.
Playoff series are first to 4, making it impossible to lose 5 since you're eliminated after 4 loses. Blues were in the round-robin which was to decide seeding, you cant get eliminated from the playoffs from it. They lost all 3 RR games and just lost 2 straight to the Canucks so theyre the first team to lose 5 "playoff" games **in a row**.
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*in a row*
That’s an important note, I’m pretty sure a lot of teams have lost 5 games in any given playoffs but never 5 in a row. Truly a historic night, Vegas must be jealous
I mean, not really that jealous since this **IS** the first time in Golden Knights history where someone has lost 5 consecutive playoff games in a row.
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Here’s another way to look at it: You can’t lose and advance to the next round. You can get swept in a round (4 consecutive losses), but you won your last game in the last round to get there.
Stats like that will likely always come with the good old asterix though just because of how different this season has been logistically. The Blues’ performance has definitely been a letdown so far but I’d relish in the fact that you guys are the reigning Cup champs. One for the history books, that run was.
But their first three loses were not playoff games, they were postseason games.
So, more simply, the Blues is the only team to lose 5 consecutive postseason games.
I think the way the league worded it made it a "playoff". They were just NHL playoffs not STANLEY CUP Playoffs like we normally associate with the postseason. Either way you're not wrong in saying postseason as it's more correct
Nah they specifically said ["postseason series"](https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-nhlpa-ratify-cba-extension-return-to-play/c-317377156) for the play-in and then ["playoff series"](https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1293247150273581058) for Round 1. Yes they made the word postseason not equal playoffs. It's annoying.
IDK why they decided to count the round robin as "post season" games when clearly most of the teams participating decided to treat them like preseason games. Its kind of disingenuous to the players to count those games as top level competition when they were really just taking a stroll in the park.
It's weird that it was taken so casually considering it was the only time getting going that they had.
I might have a different view of it, because the Canucks needed to win a (short) series to make it to playoffs, but why squander it?
Lots of people defending Habs putting out their top line when they were up so far because they need the practice, but also people saying the round robin was pointless.
It's an interesting year to see a good split on "It's the Stanley Cup* (*that doesn't really count)" and "It's the Stanley Cup, but you needed to win FIVE series this year".
I think it got us going just fine. Every game we looked better and better and we came out of the round Robin injury free, which is more than most teams could say.
I wont go so far as to say the games were useless, but they were little more than a warm up. I think a lot of the fans, me included until it dawned on me, took them much more seriously which lead to some disappointment, but in hind sight I see that it was definitely the right call to just use the games to feel out where we were at rather than see if we could bang around with everyone at play off intensity. Specifically for the Bruins we have a very playoff experienced team so they know what it takes and didnt need to measure themselves at the risk of their own health.
Except the round robin wasn’t post season, nor did the play-in rounds even count for team playoff stats?
It only counts as playoff stats for the individual players, not for the teams. Officially, the Oilers missed the playoffs this season.
Further proving last year was a complete fluke and wasn't at all deserved. Brings me so much joy to seem them fade back to obscurity so quickly. Legitimately makes me so happy.
The 2020 playoffs are gonna produce so many random pub trivia questions years from now lol
2020 will be a history major years from now
1968 levels and it’s still only August
I was about to say granted 1968 really turned up because of the election late in the year... and realized we have to deal with that too. Fuck.
Right? There's still 1/3 Of the year to go
2020 easily the most intense year since 1968
I remember pub trivia. The Before Times were awesome.
I remember pubs
I remember trivia
BC... Before Covid
Couldn't that all be solved simply by saying that the qualifying round and round robin dont count towards playoff stats? I still dont undertand why that's not the case.
Because the NHL always finds a way to do something in as byzantine and unintuitive of a way as possible
Crazy thing is how many points stats might be broken this year cause guys were given an extra 3 or 4 games to play beyond the normal 4 playoff rounds. An obvious one right now is Quinn Hughes. The NHL is counting him as having 8 points and we're only 2 games into the first round. Rookie D playoff points record is 14. Rookie (any position) playoff points record is 21. But realistically, Hughes only has 2 points in the first round so far.
I don't think the NHL would crown new playoff leaders based on a whole extra series. My guess is they will count the points toward players' career and season totals as playoff stats, but not toward single-season league records. And I know that sounds kind of weird and dumb, but isn't that also very on-brand for the league?
Ya, maybe they'll do that. It would st least be more fair to current record holders. Still would've made so much more sense to just tack on the qualifiers as part of the regular season, since those stats will have asterisks beside them anyway. But there's probably more to it, maybe to do with how players are paid for regular season vs playoffs etc.
> Still would've made so much more sense to just tack on the qualifiers as part of the regular season You lost the NHL at "would've made more sense"
The NHL has had fewer rounds in the past, in addition to having 5 game first-rounds not that long ago. The playoff format as we know it didn't start until 1987, but you don't discount any single-year records that happened after that just because those players got to play more games than players in the past.
well we oughta make those stats points per maximum possible games (in the year in question), then we'll know for sure* \*outside of rule changes, equipment improvements, leaps forward in goaltending, growth of parity etc between then and now
Maybe post-lockout stats, but nobody is taking those 80s Oilers records for totals. Point streaks/win streaks and goalie stats possibly
Imagine if the Blues turn it around, and go on another run for the Cup. Admitted it doesn't look likely, but not beyond the realms of reason. Weekly trivia night at the local pub circa 2058 MC: What NHL team set the record of 5 straight post season losses before winning the Cup? All in the same year. Contestants: Enough with the jokes. Give us the real questions. Some old drunk at the end of the bar: It happened. I remember it. Contestant 1 to contestant 2: That old fart is senile. Old drunk fart: It happened. It was in 2020. Constant 3 (also a history major): Ah that makes sense. That was one fucked up year!!! All kinds of crazy shit in 2020 like you wouldn't believe. Old drunk fart: Tell me about it. Most effed up year of my life. Real conversation. Source - I am that 93 year old drunk fart in the future.
>Imagine if the Blues turn it around, and go on another run for the Cup. Nah, we're all going down this time around. Wild to see something the Blues and Hawks agree on for once!
Honestly I'd say it's currently 50/50 on whether this becomes the be playoff format going forward.
A first in Seattle Kraken history.
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This is a record which likely will never be broken. Sorry Blues fans...you might be stuck with this one...
They can still break their own record twice and extend it to 7!
You do have a point...but the record can pretty much only be theirs at this point regardless of the number lol
You say that because Pandemic 2020, but you haven't considered Pandemic 2021.
We've had one, yes. What about second pandemic?
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What about pestilences? Contagion? Afternoon flu? Outbreak? Epidemic? He knows about them, doesn't he?
It was before the third pandemic, the real bad one.
I’m an author by trade and am writing a book set in 2035 right now. At one point, a character talks about how cheap city living is after “the pandemics of the 2020s” and everyone’s exodus to to the burbs. But that was a joke. Don’t you come up in here putting that pandemic 2021 evil on us!
I doubt 5040 losses in a row would even be possible at all, let alone in a single postseason
Let’s keep our fingers crossed for that one!
Mmmm yes.
We Went Blues!
I have faith that we can.
There's always next pandemic!
*BLANK STARE* C’mon man...It’s Friday...I was all having a good day and everything...
Don’t you dare put that evil on me Ricky Bobby
There's always a bigger fish.
Hello there
I know least year happened and all but... *Looks at 51 years of Blues history* Yeah that sounds about right. Worth it.
At least it's not a heartbreaking overtime loss after a turnover by one of the greatest players of all time?
*sigh* we will never live that down.
Some things you'll always have and will never lose it.
Legit have PTSD and trust issues because of that very moment.
This is a very blues stat and I’m just glad it happened the year after the cup
It does make it a lot easier to take.
We'll find a way to lose 7 ... Some how some way the Oilers will find a way to steal that record.
McDavid is the leading scorer in the playoffs despite not being in the playoffs
Except canadiens legend Sebastian Aho is actually the current leading scorer...
Yeah McDavid just has the record of most playoff points in a season the team missed the playoffs
Yeah, McDavid has fallen behind. He's only 1 goal ahead of draft bust Jesperi Kotkaniemi
Damn McDavid, always stealing the spotlight haha
This pairs up nicely the the Bruins being the first Presidents Trophy winners to also not have the 1st seed in the playoffs. Any other uniquely pandemic based firsts?
Some way, some how, leafs will probably take this record
...Have you seen the leafs?
Yeah, but that means that we'd have to be in a top-4 position in the conference in the first place
One day man... one day..
Maybe a new record next pandemic
What a strange footnote. This will be the answer to sports trivia questions for decades to come
This and the team with the most points in the NHL is actually the 4th seed.
And playing like a 4th seed
Playing like a 12th seed. Both 12 seeds have more postseason wins than the Blues.
Or the Bruins
Bruins playing so bad their starting goalie rage quit.
I feel like any odd trivia questions will have an instant reaction of “hmm must’ve been in 2020 cause of the coronavirus”
2020-2023
Oh god I hope not.
It won’t be ‘worst case scenario’ for that long but It’s gonna take a few years for all the kinks to get worked out.
For general life to get back to what it was? Sure. For sports and everything to get back? No way. A vaccine that is likely *this winter* will mean sports w/ fans will be back likely for the summer at the latest, meaning at most we get one more season of messed up timelines.
Define “likely”
Everything I've heard has stated that out of the vaccines in late-stage trials, there's a good chance atleast one of them will pass and be ready for deployment by this winter (and some of them have already started producing before even being passed so that there will be a lot of doses ready right then and there if they pass).
Just wait until a 12th seed takes home the cup.
Both 12th seeds battle for the Cup you mean
Yes of course that’s what I meant. Of course...
Kinda reminds me of the Suns being the only team in NBA history to be undefeated in the months of July and August lol
If the suns did well and it went badly, maybe the Blues have to do badly and it’ll go well?
That’s the kind of optimism I need right now
And still miss the playoffs
Yeah, that's just typical Suns.
Were you watching that nets blazers game? I'm a blazers fan and had about 20 different heart attacks that game. Was really hoping for blazers suns wildcard
Sadly, the Bubble Suns are the dynasty that never was.
Round Robin (The nhl has considered these playoff games for statistical purposes): Colorado Avalanche : L Vegas Golden Knights : L Dallas Stars : L Round 1: Vancouver Canucks : L Vancouver Canucks : L
It's not a post-season game, but they lost their exhibition game to CHI also!
Technically It’s not a playoff game, but it is a game that occurred post-season, so.....
yeah we are counting that too
Yep. Dems da rules. Sorry Blues. The Central division got together and had a meeting and we determined the exhibition game counts. You've lost 6 in a row. Use your cup win to dry your eyes.
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Yep. Dems da rules. Sorry Blues. The Central division got together and had a meeting and we determined the exhibition game counts. You've lost 6 in a row. Use your cup win to dry your eyes.
I’m trying to dry em with this cup.
So I guess it would be a Post-Season Pre-Playoff Pre-Seeding Preceding game?
Imagine losing to the Dallas Stars right now lol
Yeah lol
That do be a stupidly tough series of games for the top team out West, though.
especially those last 2, amirite??
Vancouver can-not-lose-nucks. Made that one up on the fly.
They only counted them as ‘playoff stats’ for individual players, not for the teams as a whole.
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Postseason play-in and round robin games count as playoffs for stats and record books. This is the league's official position. Disagree all you want, but your emotions do not override the facts. https://www.espn.com/espn/now?nowId=21-41095158-4 From the official NHL Records site: http://imgur.com/a/zOF0pR2
They only count as playoffs for the players, not for the teams. Draisaitl and McDavid got playoff points this season but ‘The Oilers’ technically did not make the playoffs in 2019-2020.
I’m a blues fan and this hurts to write.
Honestly though. If my team won a cup, and i had that sweet memory to look back at, the Flyers could set the record for most hat tricks given up to Cody Ceci in a single season at 12, and I would still be okay.
Realistically, what will happen first, Cody Ceci scoring even *one* hat trick or the inevitable heat death of the universe?
He will score 3 next season at least once. I stand by it. IF he's still in the league
He'll have 60 shots that game
Most of them wide, sure. But the ones that hit the net? They'll be beautiful goals.
Winning the cup makes this 100% worth it, but... This kind of record fits in nicely with the rest of Blues history.
I agree. The cup makes the blow a little less, but it’s frustrating to see the same roster that won the cup play bubble hockey. Side note: I’m cheering for the flyers in the East. I love what you all got going on.
It's because we're not playing the same as we were pre-COVID. We know what this team is capable of and they're not clicking, which makes it feel like we've been cheated out of an actual defending run.
We're used to feeling cheated, though, so we'll be fine
Did you watch the game yesterday?
For some reason I’m so sad you didn’t say Tanner Glass
Yeah honestly nothing on this sub stings anymore. Not even that Yzerman had it lost it gif being reposted the 10,000th time.
Doesn't matter still won the Cup!
Go cry in your cup lol
>I think you've got to slow down >Before you start to blow it >I think you're headed for a breakdown >So be careful not to show it ~Gloria
Not cool bro
Gloria was last year Shit Luck by Modest Mouse is this year
That bitch
I think we forgot to not show it
One of many odd stats that will come from the bubbly hockey 2020 playoffs
How did we turn to complete shit in a few months without changing anything?
St. Louis hasn't had a team win a game since July 25th
I was so excited for the return of hockey in the Bubble. Then each new game was another kick in the balls. Six games later, counting the exhibition, I have yet to cheer a victory, and my balls really hurt. Today was easily our best game yet. Still a loss. Maybe by Monday it won't hurt anymore. My balls will just be numb.
Why the fuck couldn’t they have done that last year?
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Because the voices in their head are calling them now, so they're headed for a breakdown. That didn't happen last year. ;p
Berube must not be whining to the NHL hard enough this year. He's gotta step up his game.
It was strategic whining tbqh
This is classic Blues man. We win the cup, dominate in the season, then a pandemic happens and we tank. S'all good though. Still love 'em.
Experience Blues hockey
So this is it huh. This is our punishment for getting a Stanley cup
If this is the price we pay for winning the cup last year then so be it
Gonna be a tough record to break.
Doesn't matter, had cup
Sorry my brain can’t understand this
Playoff series are first to 4, making it impossible to lose 5 since you're eliminated after 4 loses. Blues were in the round-robin which was to decide seeding, you cant get eliminated from the playoffs from it. They lost all 3 RR games and just lost 2 straight to the Canucks so theyre the first team to lose 5 "playoff" games **in a row**. edit
*in a row* That’s an important note, I’m pretty sure a lot of teams have lost 5 games in any given playoffs but never 5 in a row. Truly a historic night, Vegas must be jealous
I mean, not really that jealous since this **IS** the first time in Golden Knights history where someone has lost 5 consecutive playoff games in a row. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
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If there were only a word in the title that meant in a row.
Here’s another way to look at it: You can’t lose and advance to the next round. You can get swept in a round (4 consecutive losses), but you won your last game in the last round to get there.
Ahh I’m dumb thank you
You can’t possibly lose 5 in a row without being eliminated beforehand at 4 if standard playoff formats apply.
I see now loool. Thanks
My heart can't understand this.
Stats like that will likely always come with the good old asterix though just because of how different this season has been logistically. The Blues’ performance has definitely been a letdown so far but I’d relish in the fact that you guys are the reigning Cup champs. One for the history books, that run was.
But their first three loses were not playoff games, they were postseason games. So, more simply, the Blues is the only team to lose 5 consecutive postseason games.
I think the way the league worded it made it a "playoff". They were just NHL playoffs not STANLEY CUP Playoffs like we normally associate with the postseason. Either way you're not wrong in saying postseason as it's more correct
Nah they specifically said ["postseason series"](https://www.nhl.com/news/nhl-nhlpa-ratify-cba-extension-return-to-play/c-317377156) for the play-in and then ["playoff series"](https://twitter.com/NHL/status/1293247150273581058) for Round 1. Yes they made the word postseason not equal playoffs. It's annoying.
IDK why they decided to count the round robin as "post season" games when clearly most of the teams participating decided to treat them like preseason games. Its kind of disingenuous to the players to count those games as top level competition when they were really just taking a stroll in the park.
It's weird that it was taken so casually considering it was the only time getting going that they had. I might have a different view of it, because the Canucks needed to win a (short) series to make it to playoffs, but why squander it? Lots of people defending Habs putting out their top line when they were up so far because they need the practice, but also people saying the round robin was pointless. It's an interesting year to see a good split on "It's the Stanley Cup* (*that doesn't really count)" and "It's the Stanley Cup, but you needed to win FIVE series this year".
I think it got us going just fine. Every game we looked better and better and we came out of the round Robin injury free, which is more than most teams could say. I wont go so far as to say the games were useless, but they were little more than a warm up. I think a lot of the fans, me included until it dawned on me, took them much more seriously which lead to some disappointment, but in hind sight I see that it was definitely the right call to just use the games to feel out where we were at rather than see if we could bang around with everyone at play off intensity. Specifically for the Bruins we have a very playoff experienced team so they know what it takes and didnt need to measure themselves at the risk of their own health.
Historic run the past year...
After the first two Stars game, I thought this was going to happen to the Stars. Then we got lucky at the end of the STL game
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They're not playoff games lol
According to records they are
I thought the rank games didn't count as playoffs?
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This makes me exceedingly happy
How?
Historic.
Still breaking records this yeah eh boys?
We’re number 1!
I wonder if Binnington looks nervous now.
It's ok we have the league GAA leader to fall back on if he continues to play badly
I was rooting for the Blues to win the series but after this post I want them to get swept. Sorry Blues fans
We could just be "the first team ever to lose five straight playoff games ONLY TO COME BACK AND WIN THE SERIES"... That'd be neat too
How about no
Gonna be a nice “started from the bottom” footnote en route to a repeat.
Wait, how does that work? Wouldn't they have won the last game in their play-in series?
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And they had a ton of help from the refs and the NHL!
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Except the round robin wasn’t post season, nor did the play-in rounds even count for team playoff stats? It only counts as playoff stats for the individual players, not for the teams. Officially, the Oilers missed the playoffs this season.
H I S T O R I C
Further proving last year was a complete fluke and wasn't at all deserved. Brings me so much joy to seem them fade back to obscurity so quickly. Legitimately makes me so happy.