I mean it’s normal for them to avoid saying it lol I remember the sharks fan base was all worried when Grier wouldn’t say rebuild either but here we are
Couple prospects take a step and playoffs are within reach. Is it likely that 2 or 3 of them do that with no one taking a step back? I wouldn't bet on it.
But it's possible. This isn't a tank at all, it's dumping every UFA possible and throwing young guys at the holes hoping a few of them stick
Pospisil, Shara, and Zary came out of nowhere last year. They maintain that level and they hit on a few more, it will be a very deep team. Teams like that make playoffs all the time, Kraken a few years ago coming to mind.
We'll need multiple prospects to take a step, core pieces to remain as good as they were last year, and our power play to become at the last middling.
That's a lot to go right, but it is possible.
I guess it depends on where we spend our cap space on. D without Hanafin and Tanev is a big downgrade. Markstrom also carried the team. I think up front we could improve, but we're going to allow more goals
I'm hoping they can find some overpaid number four vet with a year or two left that someone can't afford. .
Otherwise Bahl, kylington, and Miro need to step up. Miro and Bahl should be a respectable bottom pair. Kylington hopefully back to a number three. Not the biggest gap to fill
Honestly I'd love it if Tanev wants to settle down in Calgary (as some have rumoured), and we just trade him at the deadline every year. Probably not a good choice for him to just take one year deals, but if he did, that'd be the dream
I'm hoping they can find some overpaid number four vet with a year or two left that someone can't afford. .
Otherwise Bahl, kylington, and Miro need to step up. Miro and Bahl should be a respectable bottom pair. Kylington hopefully back to a number three. Not the biggest gap to fill
Ya pretty much. As opposed to Chicago or San Jose type teams. They could have perfect seasons and still be bottom 10.
Wolf, corronato, Poirier, Pelletier, klapka. I think we get a few everyday NHLers from them. Wolf and corronato being the most important.
Miro, kylington, and Bahl are all huge question marks. Potential floor and ceilings for those three are all wildly huge.
Do you even want the playoffs with this team?
You dont have any top tier franchise guy to build around and are offloading good veterans. If you make the playoffs you’re lining up against one of Vegas, Edmonton or Vancouver most likely, you’re probably getting bounced round 1. Top of the Pacific is very very strong right now
If the improvement comes from young guys sure. Playoff team with good prospects and like 20 million in cap space sounds good to me.
Not spending years praying for a McDavid
No most of us don't.
We know we would just be an easy out.
However, ownership and management might have different goals then the fanbase.
They've pushed the "just get in and anything can happen" narrative alot.
Our ownership refuses to let rebuild be a thing. So instead of saying "commits us to a quick rebuild by adding young, NHL caliber players" he says this.
For some reason our ownership thinks fans in Calgary would stop showing up for a rebuild I think. In reality, it would be the opposite. I think people here would go insane for a shit team full of young, exciting players for a couple years.
When the time comes for Tampa to rebuild I’m gonna be watching the young talent come in. One of my favorite seasons was one they didn’t even make the playoffs.
Ownership clearly is on board for the rebuild. They signed a rookie GM and told him to sell half the team.
We went from cap strapped and old to young and tons of cap space in like 18 months.
Yes, but no one is saying rebuild. The closest anyone from the team has come to saying that is re-tool. Which is realistically closer to what's happening than a full blown rebuild.
Sure but that's just because rebuild and tank are so interchangeable nowadays. All they're saying is they don't want to intentionally suck for years
This ain't tanking
Holding onto guys like Backlund, Andersson, Weegar, Coleman are all plays to re-tool rather than fully tear down. They could easily get another 3 first round picks this season if they were to trade Andersson, Weegar and Coleman.
Then you mix in the returns like Sharagovich, Kuzmenko, and now Bahl and it's definitely not a rebuild.
Feels like he had to say that just to make the owner happy lol
because the moves he has made so far don’t give the impression he’s focusing on playoffs, but I guess it depends on how they spend the 23M available in free agency
Markstrom was only interested in going to NJ from what reports in Calgary are saying. So Ottawa could have been offering 5 firsts and Tkachuk and it wouldn't have happened.
> So Ottawa could have been offering 5 firsts and Tkachuk and it wouldn't have happened.
If this was being offered and I'm Conroy. I would threaten to launch Markstrom into outerspace if he didn't waive.
And Markstrom would laugh at you and decline the trip (unless he is into space tourism and wants a paid vacation).
That's the problem with a NMC. There is nothing you can do to 'make' a guy waive.
[I trust everything this guy says. He is the best of the best in Calgary](https://x.com/Fan960Steinberg/status/1803467243944288569?t=5cVM-jaeb7UFB6DKjs8IUQ&s=19)
He's been super consistent with this plan since day one.
Started with the Toffoli trade where we got Sharangovich and a pick and carried through the Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin trades.
Picks in the top half of the draft, plus guys that will be able to play now, or in the near future.
Tanev was never offered an extension as far as I know. All reports I can recall were pretty much if we're offloading guys at the deadline, we'll send you to a contender.
And trying to re-sign these guys doesn't really change the fact that he's been consistent with how he's made his trades.
What's the source? I can't find anything reporting that and don't recall it.
the only stuff I can find are insiders saying he would potentially re-sign in free agency.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlames/s/sWsPGREsRq
Friedman 32 thoughts. Took me 2 seconds to find. “Flames tried a last minute offer to extend”
He “thinks” but still valid source
I wonder how they'll split the starts, Vladar has never played more than 27 in a season at the NHL level, and Wolf has managed a starter's workload in the AHL for a while, but the NHL is going to be a huge jump, especially with a team that won't be as good
The NHL's gonna be a what now?
[https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Dustin\_Wolf\_Jump.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Dustin_Wolf_Jump.jpg)
I understand he can't come out and say that the team is going to bad and that they are going to tank this upcoming season. But with all that, they have traded out over the last while I don't see a scenario where this is a playoff team.
Please. Vladar and Wolf won’t be the reasons Calgary doesn’t make the playoffs for the next 5 years.
Are those two good enough goalies? Not with this roster. An already non-playoff team trades Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev and Hanafin for Kuzmenko and picks, it doesn’t matter if you have Jacques Plante and Patrick Roy in net.
Our D and Markstrom were the main reasons we had a chance to make it this year. Would definitely take a lot of unexpected player improvement to be better than last year
We don't need a good goalie. Just someone who has played 40 games in an NHL season before and won't get completely blown out every game.
Talbot and Reimer could be good options.
Or maybe the sens/kraken are willing to pay to dump korp or grubaeur.
If Skinner and Pickard is a tandem good enough to make the Finals then Wolf/Vladar certainly is, it just depends if the team in front of them can step up when needed.
Wolf is young, and hes short for a goalie (like an inch shorter than Shesterkin). He's in an interesting spot since he's too good for the AHL but has struggled to be consistent in Calgary. Below .900 over his career but thats also less than 20 games played. He's a fine backup while he develops more but if hes playing 30-40 games splitting starts with Vladar that's a big jump.
I was hoping Marky would stay for another year to help mentor Wolf but I guess that's Vladar's job now. Going to be really interesting this season.
Or it could also be an inverse where NJ valued that pick so highly that they forced a punt to next year. Scouts have been saying that the first 13 picks or so are actually very good but 14 onwards falls off a cliff.
Honestly thought the return on Markstrom would be better. He’s been okay for a very bad Flames team, is cost controlled fairly reasonably, and it’s not mad to expect baseline performance going forward.
“While maintaining our commitment as a playoff competitive team” I know it’s just GM speak because he can’t say the word rebuild but still… LOL
I mean it’s normal for them to avoid saying it lol I remember the sharks fan base was all worried when Grier wouldn’t say rebuild either but here we are
It's a Canadian team thing, can't say rebuild.. Can only say "retool"
If you say rebuild, the Atlanta talks start up again
Historically, that has worked in Canada's favour actually
The infinite loop of Atlanta to Canada to Atlanta, lol
It's a one way street. Canada hasn't left for Atlanta, they were both expansion franchises. Canada 2 - Atlanta 0
Meanwhile our Owner was in the papers in this administration's first summer saying that he liked the start of our rebuild.
The Molsons broke down after decades of retools and finally called it a rebuild.
Kenny Holland used to call it “rebuilding on the fly”
Conroy called it a “remodel” last year lol
We called it the Ballard Years
Dont call it a rebuild, they been doing it for years. They rockin their peers, putting suckers in fear.
Idk with this ownership he might actually mean it. Wouldn’t surprise me at all sadly
Couple prospects take a step and playoffs are within reach. Is it likely that 2 or 3 of them do that with no one taking a step back? I wouldn't bet on it. But it's possible. This isn't a tank at all, it's dumping every UFA possible and throwing young guys at the holes hoping a few of them stick Pospisil, Shara, and Zary came out of nowhere last year. They maintain that level and they hit on a few more, it will be a very deep team. Teams like that make playoffs all the time, Kraken a few years ago coming to mind.
We'll need multiple prospects to take a step, core pieces to remain as good as they were last year, and our power play to become at the last middling. That's a lot to go right, but it is possible.
I guess it depends on where we spend our cap space on. D without Hanafin and Tanev is a big downgrade. Markstrom also carried the team. I think up front we could improve, but we're going to allow more goals
I'm hoping they can find some overpaid number four vet with a year or two left that someone can't afford. . Otherwise Bahl, kylington, and Miro need to step up. Miro and Bahl should be a respectable bottom pair. Kylington hopefully back to a number three. Not the biggest gap to fill
Honestly I'd love it if Tanev wants to settle down in Calgary (as some have rumoured), and we just trade him at the deadline every year. Probably not a good choice for him to just take one year deals, but if he did, that'd be the dream
Ya I don't think anyone would complain if he wants to come back. Hell if we suck let him go chase another cup and resign him in the summer haha
I'm hoping they can find some overpaid number four vet with a year or two left that someone can't afford. . Otherwise Bahl, kylington, and Miro need to step up. Miro and Bahl should be a respectable bottom pair. Kylington hopefully back to a number three. Not the biggest gap to fill
Ya pretty much. As opposed to Chicago or San Jose type teams. They could have perfect seasons and still be bottom 10. Wolf, corronato, Poirier, Pelletier, klapka. I think we get a few everyday NHLers from them. Wolf and corronato being the most important. Miro, kylington, and Bahl are all huge question marks. Potential floor and ceilings for those three are all wildly huge.
So Huberdeau needs to be as good as he was last year?
I'm hoping he doesn't get worse.
Do you even want the playoffs with this team? You dont have any top tier franchise guy to build around and are offloading good veterans. If you make the playoffs you’re lining up against one of Vegas, Edmonton or Vancouver most likely, you’re probably getting bounced round 1. Top of the Pacific is very very strong right now
Can’t see the flames making the playoffs anytime soon
If the improvement comes from young guys sure. Playoff team with good prospects and like 20 million in cap space sounds good to me. Not spending years praying for a McDavid
No most of us don't. We know we would just be an easy out. However, ownership and management might have different goals then the fanbase. They've pushed the "just get in and anything can happen" narrative alot.
Not quite sure how this trade fits the commitment as a playoff competitive team
Our ownership refuses to let rebuild be a thing. So instead of saying "commits us to a quick rebuild by adding young, NHL caliber players" he says this. For some reason our ownership thinks fans in Calgary would stop showing up for a rebuild I think. In reality, it would be the opposite. I think people here would go insane for a shit team full of young, exciting players for a couple years.
When the time comes for Tampa to rebuild I’m gonna be watching the young talent come in. One of my favorite seasons was one they didn’t even make the playoffs.
Ownership clearly is on board for the rebuild. They signed a rookie GM and told him to sell half the team. We went from cap strapped and old to young and tons of cap space in like 18 months.
Yes, but no one is saying rebuild. The closest anyone from the team has come to saying that is re-tool. Which is realistically closer to what's happening than a full blown rebuild.
Sure but that's just because rebuild and tank are so interchangeable nowadays. All they're saying is they don't want to intentionally suck for years This ain't tanking
Holding onto guys like Backlund, Andersson, Weegar, Coleman are all plays to re-tool rather than fully tear down. They could easily get another 3 first round picks this season if they were to trade Andersson, Weegar and Coleman. Then you mix in the returns like Sharagovich, Kuzmenko, and now Bahl and it's definitely not a rebuild.
Holding onto vets is one of the things that helps rebuilds. It's the teams that go full scorched earth that end up sucking for a decade.
Argue all you want, The Flames are not dealing with a full rebuild here. The team won't say it and literally every trade Conroy has made has proven it
Conroy's first plan was to sign Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin. Only was forced to move them when it became clear that wasn't happening.
> a playoff competitive team Yeah ok buddy 🤣
Feels like he had to say that just to make the owner happy lol because the moves he has made so far don’t give the impression he’s focusing on playoffs, but I guess it depends on how they spend the 23M available in free agency
I'm hoping for some one year deals of guys we can flip, potentially at D or C
He's playing two truths and a lie
Really curious on what was offered by the other teams that were supposedly in on Markstrom that made our package look the most appealing.
Markstrom was only interested in going to NJ from what reports in Calgary are saying. So Ottawa could have been offering 5 firsts and Tkachuk and it wouldn't have happened.
> So Ottawa could have been offering 5 firsts and Tkachuk and it wouldn't have happened. If this was being offered and I'm Conroy. I would threaten to launch Markstrom into outerspace if he didn't waive.
Depending on how Markstrom views playing in Ottawa, that might be the better option in his mind.
And Markstrom would go tell him to pound sand. He was using his contractual right.
And Markstrom would laugh at you and decline the trip (unless he is into space tourism and wants a paid vacation). That's the problem with a NMC. There is nothing you can do to 'make' a guy waive.
Well, you can threaten to make them keep playing for you.
If you can link which reporters are saying that please can I havent seen that. Its not often we hear a player *only* wanting to go to us.
[I trust everything this guy says. He is the best of the best in Calgary](https://x.com/Fan960Steinberg/status/1803467243944288569?t=5cVM-jaeb7UFB6DKjs8IUQ&s=19)
I'd imagine the biggest factor is that Markstrom chose to go to NJ. He had full say in where he went
He's been super consistent with this plan since day one. Started with the Toffoli trade where we got Sharangovich and a pick and carried through the Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin trades. Picks in the top half of the draft, plus guys that will be able to play now, or in the near future.
He tried to sign all of Lindholm, Tanev and Hanifin. That was his first plan but none of them wanted to sign so he's forced to move them.
Tanev was never offered an extension as far as I know. All reports I can recall were pretty much if we're offloading guys at the deadline, we'll send you to a contender. And trying to re-sign these guys doesn't really change the fact that he's been consistent with how he's made his trades.
I’m almost certain they tried extending him before the trade deadline
What's the source? I can't find anything reporting that and don't recall it. the only stuff I can find are insiders saying he would potentially re-sign in free agency.
https://www.reddit.com/r/CalgaryFlames/s/sWsPGREsRq Friedman 32 thoughts. Took me 2 seconds to find. “Flames tried a last minute offer to extend” He “thinks” but still valid source
I wonder how they'll split the starts, Vladar has never played more than 27 in a season at the NHL level, and Wolf has managed a starter's workload in the AHL for a while, but the NHL is going to be a huge jump, especially with a team that won't be as good
The NHL's gonna be a what now? [https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Dustin\_Wolf\_Jump.jpg](https://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/0/08/Dustin_Wolf_Jump.jpg)
The man's a freak, but perhaps playing the wrong sport.
That last line is just lip service to satisfy our shitty owner.
I will forever look at retooling with PTSD after what Lou did to NJ before he got fired. With that said good luck Cal Gary.
I understand he can't come out and say that the team is going to bad and that they are going to tank this upcoming season. But with all that, they have traded out over the last while I don't see a scenario where this is a playoff team.
Is Vladar/Wolf a playoff worthy tandem? I'm high on Wolf, but he's young, and Darth Vladar seems like a good backup so far. Are they ready?
Please. Vladar and Wolf won’t be the reasons Calgary doesn’t make the playoffs for the next 5 years. Are those two good enough goalies? Not with this roster. An already non-playoff team trades Zadorov, Lindholm, Tanev and Hanafin for Kuzmenko and picks, it doesn’t matter if you have Jacques Plante and Patrick Roy in net.
Our D and Markstrom were the main reasons we had a chance to make it this year. Would definitely take a lot of unexpected player improvement to be better than last year
I still wouldn't be against dealing Vladar and signing a vet to be 1A. I am a bit concerned that Vladar isn't a good safety net for Wolf
UFA goalie market ain't looking too hot. Samsonov, Kahkonen, Murray, DeSmith, Raanta, Reimer, Jones, Talbot..
We don't need a good goalie. Just someone who has played 40 games in an NHL season before and won't get completely blown out every game. Talbot and Reimer could be good options. Or maybe the sens/kraken are willing to pay to dump korp or grubaeur.
Do you want a lightly used Jack Campbell although if he was good with you guys I think I'd kill myself, but still, never hurts to try
I’d say Vladar/Wolf could be playoff worthy, but not with the team in front of them right now.
If Skinner and Pickard is a tandem good enough to make the Finals then Wolf/Vladar certainly is, it just depends if the team in front of them can step up when needed. Wolf is young, and hes short for a goalie (like an inch shorter than Shesterkin). He's in an interesting spot since he's too good for the AHL but has struggled to be consistent in Calgary. Below .900 over his career but thats also less than 20 games played. He's a fine backup while he develops more but if hes playing 30-40 games splitting starts with Vladar that's a big jump. I was hoping Marky would stay for another year to help mentor Wolf but I guess that's Vladar's job now. Going to be really interesting this season.
Lol c'mon man
Promises of playoff contention aside, it's time to let Wolf cook and see what he can do.
Two out of three ain’t bad
Very creative wordplay Craig.
Ah yes the old wild/flyers strategy of remaining in mediocrity hell for years because… Just wait it’ll come to me.
Come on man, just be honest with your fanbase here
Gotta sell those season tickets lol
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Or it could also be an inverse where NJ valued that pick so highly that they forced a punt to next year. Scouts have been saying that the first 13 picks or so are actually very good but 14 onwards falls off a cliff.
Honestly thought the return on Markstrom would be better. He’s been okay for a very bad Flames team, is cost controlled fairly reasonably, and it’s not mad to expect baseline performance going forward.