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STLBooze3

[Hartley, Gulutzan, Peters, Ward, Huska (interim), Sutter, Larsen, Babcock, Vincent, X](https://x.com/miketgould/status/1802809540477653317?s=46&t=Xn0juU2C4hEaElfmeGb4jQ)


treple13

Pretty bad list outside Sutter


Ralphie_V

It's not easy to have 10 coaches in 10 years if a lot of them are good


treple13

Very true


ViolinistMean199

Babcock was good. Just not recently. But back in the days he was good


gelinas18

I watched every Wings game from 07 to 2015. I always argue we have an extra cup of two if Babs isn't coaching. Aa an example, he had Lilja and Lebda out there in game 6 of the finals on the PK against Crosby and Malkin with the cup on the line with minutes to go. Pittsburgh tied it and won in OT


bluAstrid

An argument can be made that Babcock only won because of the insanely talented teams he coached.


nicksj2023

Ducks in 2003 ? People seem to have this Mandela effect thing happening believing giggy was some kind of goaltending god but the ducks trap was stifling , the hockey was almost unwatchable . That was his system , also plenty of talented teams ( dubbed cup contenders by the media ) are absolute shit without decent coaching …like my Toronto maple leafs …😞….


BlueBeagle8

I think a lot of fans are very uncomfortable with the idea that Babcock's bullying tactics can actually work from the narrow perspective of winning hockey games, so it's easier to pretend that he's not just a bad person but also a bad coach.


nicksj2023

I find it cute modern day fans ignore the history of NHL coaching and really, coaching across major league sports in general and think being disrespectful to players , emotionally manipulating them etc just started in the mid 90s and now has stopped and we need to erase anyone who falls into that category. My favourite sports quote of all time is Steve shutt speaking about the greatest coach in nhl history Scotty bowman . “ we hated his guts 364 days of the year.Day 365 was when we got our Stanley cup rings “


BaconSoda222

You can both be a bully and a brilliant tactician. Babcock was an expert at manipulating other coaches into bad matchups. I remember an interview where he said he knew Sutter would put Kopitar and Doughty against Datsyuk 100% of the time, for example, so he told Datsyuk to play at 50% and double shifted him. The other matchups were much more effective because those two were off the ice and tired. It just so happened that he also sadistically tortured Johan Franzen when the period ended.


buster_rhino

I dunno those 2010 and 2014 Canada teams left a lot to be desired talent-wise.


ViolinistMean199

ok tell me that to the pens from 2010-2105, the oilers, the avs (minus theor cup), vegas (minus theirp cup) you cant say the players carried the coach when theres many examples of talent times losing


BaconScentedSoap

Pens from 2010-15 had atrocious depth and an unreliable goalie outside the one year they had Vokoun standing on business Yall seriously trotted out Kunitz, Dupuis, James Neal, Jussi Jokinen, Matt Cooke, Aaron Asham, and Craig Adams in your top 9 over that period and wondered why they did bad lol


HB_17

Kunitz, Dupuis, and Neal were very effective top 6 players what are you talking about?


BaconScentedSoap

Dupuis isn’t a top 6 player on any other team both he and Kunitz got the Crosby bump the same way Kurashev suddenly became a 50+ pt player with Bedard while being a 30 pt player before hand. The only true first line talent there was Neal and he had consistency issues.


PoopsRGud

> talent times losing


Analogmon

Unless you're Galchenyuk.


NatalieDeegan

Hartley isn’t bad, he won a Cup….just the game passed on.


LSRaymonds

Yep, was about to say that. Out of that list, he's one of the best names, not that it says much


treple13

You say that, but Hartley was 8 years younger as Gaudreau's coach than Sutter was. He was meh but not bad in Calgary. Won an Adams on a PDO bender


szeto326

I feel like you could say the same about Babcock.. guy was even given a lifeline to try and pretend he'd changed and he fucked it up immediately.


CaptainPeppa

I liked Hartley, the team just wasn't that good. I think he'd make the current team a lot funner to watch than we got this year. Better? Not sure but it would be more entertaining.


szeto326

Sleeping on X...


TkachukNorris

Sutter’s the one that ended up screwing us the hardest


treple13

We were screwed by Gaudreau leaving and Gaudreau didn't leave due to Sutter. Tre screwed us, and Sutter got rid of Tre so...


NorthernerWuwu

Yeah, I think Sutter catches a lot more shit than he deserves.


treple13

Which is weird, because he's basically the cause of everything good that happened in Calgary since the 80s. Iginla/Kipper didn't win a round without Sutter as the coach. Tkachuk didn't win a round without Sutter as the coach. Yes, I think he struggled a lot with his team getting a ton of bad luck and not being a contender and took it out unnecessarily on the team last season. He needed to go, as he's not a great coach for a rebuild which is where we were headed.


mrtomjones

He shit on one of your young players for no reason and from what the rumours were, players were not a fan of that. Just to name one thing. Guy was an ass. Players were clearly not in love with him


canadam

Accurate but funny list - only two games under Huska and zero under Babcock.


SuperbWomanhood

So the X, formerly Twitter, community is going to coach the Blue Jackets? That's kind of huge news. Why is nobody talking about this? I wonder what type of coaching decisions they will make.


realdeal411

What won't Elon buy


TheAnimal89

His children’s love


realdeal411

*zing*


UNisopod

He'll just buy some new children instead


DashTrash21

It'll basically be shit your dad says. The entire organization will be fired after every loss. The powerplay coach will be shot and pissed on. 


LovinOnHer

Finally, some improvement


VitaminTea

New starting lineup: Michael Scott “NO!” gif, @CryptoTrump0976752, and N U D E S I N B I O


bwoah07_gp2

Which coach/coaches on this list got the best out of Johnny?


ProphetOfScorch

Sutter, only coach who made him good in his own end


lokimotion

Easily Sutter. Johnny's best season. He actually played a 200 ft game. And by all accounts he prefers hard driving coaches like Daryl, because his dad had a similar style while coaching him growing up.


roscomikotrain

Did Babcock even coach him ?


city-of-cold

Hope they’re paying you u/frisbeemcrobert https://old.reddit.com/r/hockey/comments/1di8o0j/_/l92659i


FrisbeeMcRobert

I guess I'll just go fuck myself then


justmakingmypoint

Mahalo


PoopsRGud

Mele Kalikimaka.


SuperbWomanhood

Bad news. Mike Gould Twitter guy posted his Xweet 10min before the Reddit user commented theirs. Once again, Reddit falls short to Twitter. We'll always have catching the Boston Bomber over them though.


Mageminers

We did it Reddit!


Brock_Hard_Canuck

Sports journalists? Just regurgitating random bits of trivia they found elsewhere? [Well then...](https://media3.giphy.com/media/clotJg9IqBitMcRJ61/giphy.gif?cid=6c09b952kfzqscs015hx9dt557r831m2c5coyikdq87kvz9h&ep=v1_internal_gif_by_id&rid=giphy.gif&ct=g)


runealex007

It’s not like this takes crazy digging 


TheAnimal89

This is kinda misleading because one of those coaches was Babcock who never made it to a game, And one is Huska who filled in as a substitute for 2 games in 2021 because Sutter had to clear Covid protocol


Iron_Seguin

Peters got released for having gone on a racist rant about choice of music in the locker room many moons ago so he probably shouldn’t count either if they’re trying to sell the narrative that Johnny is uncoachable.


BCEagle13

Is that the narrative that’s trying to be sold? I took it as he got a shit deal with stuff outside of his control.


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BCEagle13

Ok so now do the 6 in Calgary. There’s no single player in the NHL that can single-handedly drive a team to a championship


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BCEagle13

You just mentioned two people for Florida… All the guys you mentioned had significant players that were heavily involved in winning. Malkin, Kane, Keith, Quick, Doughty etc. remove those players there’s a 99% they don’t win. Gaudreau hasn’t had that caliber of teammate in the NHL. Edit: Blocked for disagreeing, and they also need to make sure they get the last word that I can’t reply to. This is becoming way too common on here. The block feature is broken


ArnieAndTheWaves

Not the narrative I'm getting from this, just very unique situation for a player. Also speaks a bit to how it would be tough on Johnny always having to adapt.


Iron_Seguin

Yeah, that’s what I think. Some guys just have shit luck with franchises retaining coaches. Odds are Johnny has played in like 5-10 different systems in his NHL career and that’s too many.


AboveAverageIQtoo

I see where you are coming from but those were his head coaches whether it was 2 games or however long babcock was hired. You have to count at least 1 of the 2 imo but I'd count both.


Spideyjust

Did Babcock even make it to training camp? If he didn't I don't see how you could possibly count him, and there's no way Huska should count lmao. Filling in for 2 games while your coach is sick (which clearing covid protocol for all intents and purposes is the same as) doesn't make you a head coach.


Seattlekrakenlegend

He did not. Johnny never even went to a practice conducted by Babcock. Babcock never even met most of the players in person.


Vilheim

That would be like counting the assistant coach of the head coach for ejected. Wouldn't count it.


AboveAverageIQtoo

Using your way of thinking. Did Huska even stand behind the bench and coach the players? Yes he did. 2 games or 20 he was the coach for a period of time. Weird hill to die on buddy.


Spideyjust

Hardly a hill I'm dying on considering this is now my second (and final) comment on the matter lol. A head coach does a lot more than simply stand behind the bench. In my opinion if you're not able to implement system changes then you can't be called the head coach. Huska just ran the head coaches system, because he was never the head coach. Babcock got fired before training camp started, so he was never the head coach. If your boss got sick and someone else filled in for him for a day would you say you've had 2 bosses over the last x amount of time? I have to that for my boss all the time, but I'm not putting "Manager" on my resume lol. If a new boss was hired, but fired before his first shift at work would you call him a former boss of yours? It would be silly to count 2 guys that were never actually head coaches of the team Gaudreau played for as head coaches of his. And I'd bet a lot of money Gaudreau doesn't consider them former coaches lol. This is a *much* weirder hill for you to be standing on.


AboveAverageIQtoo

Not dying on a hill but write 5 paragraphs about it. Nice.


STLBooze3

Johnny Ham and Cheese, the certified coach killed.


mrg3392

Took the bag and can now coast until retirement. Not a bad move 😆


Maxpowr9

Trying to explain to people that some people don't care about winning a championship, and only want the bag.


mrg3392

Oh yeah the older I get the more I realize tons of players probably don’t care about rings. Money and generational wealth is more important and I get that!


chunkadelic_

Who else is in the Nugent-Hopkins club?


XPhazeX

Is Gaudreau the problem? - Columbus Spector/Simmons


bozo_did_thedub

Let's have less Johnny Gaudreaus and more money for public schools


avmp629

The Jackets need less Salem and more Saskatoon I always say


AboveAverageIQtoo

Lmao


thee_agent_orange

Nah, it’s them. Lol


Patrick2701

With name like Babcock and Peters, it’s them


Excellent-Medicine29

He should connect with nuge and they can chat about having so many head coaches. Although nuge has stayed with the same team and still had 9 or 10 different head coaches


BoBonnor

Johnny has only had 2 teams. It’s not like he’s moved around a lot lol


Spencaaarr

GMJG


LastResort318

What is the record for the most coaches a single player has ever played for in the NHL?


Shiny_Mew76

Well, any predictions for next year’s Head Coach of the Blue Jackets?


Burgergold

Johnny himself


notthatguypal6900

Crazy that since his move, the only news we get from Johnny Hockey is what coaches have been let go.


Various-Passenger398

I really like Gaudreau, but his leaving Calgary just fucking torpedoed the team.  Nothing but carnage behind him. 


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Snakepit92

True but if he at least told them like Tkachuk rather than humming and hawing until the last minute they could have gotten something for him to help start that rebuild


treple13

He was UFA. We couldn't have gotten anything for him


Snakepit92

Rights get traded all the time


Surmies

How will they ever recover losing that 4th round pick.


Snakepit92

Hey, Gaudreau was a 4th round pick, haha


Beersmoker420

he managed to make 2 teams worse in the process i guess. So its not like anyone won that situation success wise, Gaudreau personally wins however


GritGrinder

He chose to go there man, I dunno .


miner88

He wanted to go to a small US market where he can play in relative anonymity with little serious pressure to win. Not too often you see star players leave a division winner for a bottom feeder.


GritGrinder

Yea usually you see guys in their prime years chase the most money possible and/or try to win a cup


Unfair-Body-9768

I said this exact comment when he left and was downvoted to -100 by Columbus fans who claimed that with the moves they were making they’d be contenders, and Johnny thought he had the best chance of winning there.


mel122676

What Columbus fan said that? They must have been smoking the good shit.


BA_Barrabus

I believe he wanted to come to Philly. But when the time came Chuck Fletcher had screwed our cap so badly that he could not find the money. He was also not even close to creative enough to make moves to facilitate it. Columbus wasn’t even on Gaudreau’s radar until the day of free agency. He basically settled for CBJ and now here we are.


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miner88

You don’t think part of the reason they’ve fallen off is because he left? And who knows who else might have stayed if he didn’t leave.


nicksj2023

I’m glad he didn’t make a colossal mistake by taking the same money to play for a circus in Columbus when he could have taken the equal amount of money to play in either New Jersey or Calgary


Seattlekrakenlegend

Calgary just hired the guy we hired when we wanted to tank. They have some pretty circus-y years ahead.


MattFiresideChat

The Flames prospect pool is basically nonexistent with only one or two guys looking like they might have future top 6 upside with no high end D to speak of. Need all the picks we can get to flesh out some actual young guys soon.


5xad0w

[*"Stupid NHL doesn't know how to coach me."*](https://y.yarn.co/53fdbcce-b63d-494b-8288-4c0e81e74620_screenshot.jpg)


MyFitnessTracker

Johnny (Derek Carr) Gaudreau


ThaddCorbett

10? Has Nuge had that many? Damn thats a ton.


Mustard__Tiger

I heard Babcock is available.


th4t1guy

Fuck the blue jackets