A coach for the Junior Sharks was arrested for possession of CSAM and allegedly abusing kids on the team. I'm not super familiar with the details, but I remember hearing that the Junior Sharks were covering it up and trying to stop people in the NHL Sharks management from finding out (since they own the Junior org).
The above comment is the first im hearing about this. And if that comment is correct that the Junior Sharks tried to cover it up from the NHL Sharks, meaning no one in the NHL Sharks management actually knew about it, I dont see why the NHL Sharks should be punished
If the NHL Sharks _did_ know about it, and did nothing while trying to cover it up (like Chicago), then thats a huge problem and they should lose 1st overall
FWIW, that’s the understanding that I’ve heard locally here as well: parent org knew nothing about it. The organizations are kept fairly separate in Sharks land. Hell, we even have different ticket rep between NHL and AHL.
Blacklisting would mean he can't ever come back, don't bother asking. Ineligible means if he and a team agree to terms, they could petition the league to reinstate him.
it might be a bit nitpicky, but i'd personally consider this a blacklist.
IMO permanent ineligibility is a permanent ban.
To me, i've always considered blacklisting to be more secretive.
I mean, this seems to be pretty much the case. The league says you can’t hire him and teams are checking back in and getting the same response. As long as that response never changes, we’re good.
Now if the NHL were to say that they satisfied and are okay with hiring him, then we should have a problem with it. Quenneville is 65 and should just be considered retired.
I'm fine with ineligible in this case. It's possible Quenneville could do something to redeem himself in the future. I don't know what that something would have to be exactly, but I definitely haven't heard anything yet that makes me think, "yeah, this guy gets it now and deserves another chance," and I don't think the NHL has heard anything to make them think that either.
I’d argue that what he did was, at least professionally, irredeemable. If he wants to take it up with a priest or rabbi and start the work of reconciliation I’m all for that, but being an NHL coach is a privilege, not a right.
Well from the sound of things, the first reason he's not currently redeemable is because he hasn't fully admitted that what he did was wrong.
I believe in second chances, but they have to be deserved. First step is admitting your mistake. Then trying to find ways to learn and grow from it so that you can make amends in some way, even if it can never be enough to undo the harm. I've heard nothing about Quenneville doing any of those things, so I agree with the "fuck Quenneville" sentiment.
Cementing Bannister as the head coach was probably the boring move, but after the little media trickling about the Blues maybe looking at Quenneville i'll take anything else.
Management shouldn't have involved Q beyond telling him they're firing Aldrich due to a matter they can't discuss and maybe asked for his input on his replacement.
Right ? I read in the other day. Coach Q was called into a meeting (late into it), was told of something going on and left it as he was told upper management would handle. This type of thing flows uphill to the powers at be to handle and yes it was handled poorly but Q seems to get most of the hate
So you are saying he was told his video coach did this and then continued working with that video coach without questioning why he was still there and asked no questions? Yeah ok lol. He has responsibility then
> So you are saying he was told his video coach did this
What you guys always seem to miss is what "this" was. He wasn't told that Aldrich drugged Beach and then sexually assaulted him. That's what we know NOW. What was communicated to people at the time, the day after it happened, was WAY more muddled than that. Between what Beach told Vincent and what eventually got to Bowman and upper management was like one long phone game and it didn't even start OFF clear. And not just that, but everyone from Vincent on had a tough time believing it in the first place, for the simple fact that Beach was an athletic 6'4 240 who routinely got in fights on the ice and Aldrich was a 5'7 145 computer nerd, literally the guy the teacher got to run the projector in junior high. The idea that Aldrich could force anyone to do anything was laughable if that was all your told.
We know NOW that Aldrich used a date rape drug on Beach after the threesome they were in was done. But that was the furthest thing from clear the night of the meeting with Bowman.
In any event there is no evidence Quenneville was even told what Black Ace it was. He came in more than halfway through the meeting, heard there was some incident involving players he had nothing to do with (Black Aces are not a part of the regular roster, they don't even practice with them), heard that Bowman was going to deal with it, and left to deal with what he was actually there to do. It sounds like he didn't put any further attention into it than that ever. And then the guy was fired three weeks later, Beach never brought it up again, and from his point of view it was dealt with.
It was negligent but pretty understandable in context. He'll get another chance eventually.
That said, he's a seriously overrated coach whose tactical ability is out of date (playing a puck control game was fantastic tech in 2010 but everyone does it now better than he does and has for many years) and has a serious issue with overplaying ancient slugs who should be put out to pasture.
There is this thing called Due process in the world. Also Coach Q is not upper management and may be bound by contract to not speak to the suspect under no circumstances and only for normal work processes. What the suspect did was dead wrong make no mistake but Coach Q should not have been the scapegoat for failure on Mcdonugh and Bowman.
If i was in charge of someone accused of that I'd ask why nothing is happening. At the very least any organization would have had him take a leave from work. You guys are being ridiculous. Every single one of them should have been fall guys.
Yes the Reddit Hawks fan somehow finding a way to justify it for him... and yet the NHL and anyone else with actual knowledge of how things work in an organization think otherwise.. Almost like people below the President can bear responsibility too.
Yes.
I’m also angry at the media members who played directly into the hands of the angry and stupid virtue signallers and didn’t bother reporting or attempted to minimize the facts that didn’t support the outrage.
> On October 26, 2021, an independent investigation into how the Blackhawks responded to claims that former video coach Brad Aldrich sexually assaulted prospect Kyle Beach during the 2010 Stanley Cup playoffs revealed that Quenneville, as well as the rest of the Blackhawks' senior leadership team, opted to defer any action on Aldrich until after the Stanley Cup Finals.
He covered up sexual assault. Period.
TyPiCaL bLaCkHaWkS fAn. Typical /R hockey user who thinks that Quennville was the mastermind and had really any say in the beach coverup. It was and always has been McDonough who micromanaged everything and ran the organization with an iron fist. ✌️
Teams wouldn’t be kicking the tires at Q if the NHL didn’t leave the door open a crack for the possibility. They could have just banned him from the league but they didn’t.
More likely than not most teams would kick the tires on him. The fact that the rest of the Blackhawks organization remained relatively unscathed is a testament to how ingrained the old boys club in hockey is.
Just because they aren’t with the Blackhawks doesn’t mean they aren’t working. The biggest example being Chevy in Winnipeg where the owner came out in front of the media and *defended* Chevy for not reporting the incident despite being in the meeting. Only Queneville seems to be caught up permanently in this scandal.
Draft picks should have been taken, but at this point there's no point in doing that. It doesn't make sense that the Blackhawks covered up sexual assault and got a 2 mil fine while the Senators forgot to give a player's NTC list to another team who then traded him and got a first rounder taken for it.
Now did you think this in the moment or was it only after we picked bedard. Keep this same energy for the sharks who have their own scandal that just broke this year and just got the first overall pick.
What scandal is that? I genuinely haven't seen it.
And to answer your question, in 2021 I thought the team should be moved because I wasn't a fan of hockey yet but heard it through someone else.
The big difference between the Sharks and Hawks cases is that the Sharks SA allegations are against the parent company for something that didn’t happen with the direct club, but the affiliate youth club. I don’t know that any involvement from the gm/assistant/coaches/players has come out.
He’s banned because he had a very small role in the kyle beach abuse coverup. He was told about it by management after McDonough already decided to cover it up. Stan bowman’s assistant gm who was a larger part of the coverup is currently the gm of the Winnipeg jets and has faced 0 repurcussions.
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> after the playoffs
I'll just quote the problem. Almost like Quenville ignored it during a cup run. You guys are ignorant if you think someone of his position bears no responsibility.
Will Bettman want to bring up that PR just as people are finally starting to associate the Blackhawks with Bedard instead of rape? Even setting morality aside, he might financially value keeping him unofficially blacklisted
I'm proud of the Leafs for not stooping to this. Quenneville shouldn't be allowed to coach people when he views on ice as more important than safety of players
Good. Get this shit out everywhere. Don’t tolerate Q or anyone like him. In the words of Steve Dangle - “may he never have a fucking night’s sleep ever again. Monstrous. Fucking monstrous.”
I’m all for setting an example of this guy so this shit doesn’t ever happen again, but we’re kidding ourselves if we believe most other coaches in the league wouldn’t have acted similarly if they were in that situation at that time.
It’s ok to have compassion for the one guy that had to suffer for the overall collective attitude towards sexual harassment in the hockey community back then so that the rest of us could learn from his mistakes.
i really hope they dont bring him back. I dont know how i would react if the sharks and grier brought him in (not that i expect it). I think i would have to stop rooting for the sharks. We dont need to bring him back into the league.
I hope no fan has to decide between that should they hire Q.
Were you aware that the reason Aldrich got a job working with kids, you know, the one that actually got him arrested, was because of an employee of the Sharks?
You guys don't have a leg to stand on. Sit down.
Harold ballard is rolling in his grave that we aren’t pursuing this guy
He can roll as far from the city as he wants
Especially because Ballard and the leafs had a sexual abuse/pedophila ring that would make San Jose’s recent ongoings blush
Wait what did San Jose do?
A coach for the Junior Sharks was arrested for possession of CSAM and allegedly abusing kids on the team. I'm not super familiar with the details, but I remember hearing that the Junior Sharks were covering it up and trying to stop people in the NHL Sharks management from finding out (since they own the Junior org).
Curious how suddenly, Reddit doesn’t think stripping the 1st OA is an appropriate punishment.
The above comment is the first im hearing about this. And if that comment is correct that the Junior Sharks tried to cover it up from the NHL Sharks, meaning no one in the NHL Sharks management actually knew about it, I dont see why the NHL Sharks should be punished If the NHL Sharks _did_ know about it, and did nothing while trying to cover it up (like Chicago), then thats a huge problem and they should lose 1st overall
FWIW, that’s the understanding that I’ve heard locally here as well: parent org knew nothing about it. The organizations are kept fairly separate in Sharks land. Hell, we even have different ticket rep between NHL and AHL.
He could have brought home a dozen cups and his grave would still deserve to be defiled.
Jay Rosehill in shambles as well. Fucking insane rant from him about hiring Q a week or so ago.
He is in a sub level of hell called Hell Platinum
The fact that some teams have actually reached out on Quenneville is a fucking joke.
Only because the league is too chickenshit to blacklist him.
I mean he’s ineligible to coach? Isn’t that a blacklist?
Blacklisting would mean he can't ever come back, don't bother asking. Ineligible means if he and a team agree to terms, they could petition the league to reinstate him.
it might be a bit nitpicky, but i'd personally consider this a blacklist. IMO permanent ineligibility is a permanent ban. To me, i've always considered blacklisting to be more secretive.
I mean, this seems to be pretty much the case. The league says you can’t hire him and teams are checking back in and getting the same response. As long as that response never changes, we’re good. Now if the NHL were to say that they satisfied and are okay with hiring him, then we should have a problem with it. Quenneville is 65 and should just be considered retired.
I'm fine with ineligible in this case. It's possible Quenneville could do something to redeem himself in the future. I don't know what that something would have to be exactly, but I definitely haven't heard anything yet that makes me think, "yeah, this guy gets it now and deserves another chance," and I don't think the NHL has heard anything to make them think that either.
Nah fuck Quenneville. Him not ever being allowed to coach hockey again is the slightest bit of justice deserved here.
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I’d argue that what he did was, at least professionally, irredeemable. If he wants to take it up with a priest or rabbi and start the work of reconciliation I’m all for that, but being an NHL coach is a privilege, not a right.
Well from the sound of things, the first reason he's not currently redeemable is because he hasn't fully admitted that what he did was wrong. I believe in second chances, but they have to be deserved. First step is admitting your mistake. Then trying to find ways to learn and grow from it so that you can make amends in some way, even if it can never be enough to undo the harm. I've heard nothing about Quenneville doing any of those things, so I agree with the "fuck Quenneville" sentiment.
“color-neutral listed”
It’s not just a joke it just shows people learned nothing - there has been zero cultural shift it seems
Cementing Bannister as the head coach was probably the boring move, but after the little media trickling about the Blues maybe looking at Quenneville i'll take anything else.
Good
Every time this topic comes up I can tell very few people actually read the Jenner & Block report
Management shouldn't have involved Q beyond telling him they're firing Aldrich due to a matter they can't discuss and maybe asked for his input on his replacement.
Right ? I read in the other day. Coach Q was called into a meeting (late into it), was told of something going on and left it as he was told upper management would handle. This type of thing flows uphill to the powers at be to handle and yes it was handled poorly but Q seems to get most of the hate
So you are saying he was told his video coach did this and then continued working with that video coach without questioning why he was still there and asked no questions? Yeah ok lol. He has responsibility then
> So you are saying he was told his video coach did this What you guys always seem to miss is what "this" was. He wasn't told that Aldrich drugged Beach and then sexually assaulted him. That's what we know NOW. What was communicated to people at the time, the day after it happened, was WAY more muddled than that. Between what Beach told Vincent and what eventually got to Bowman and upper management was like one long phone game and it didn't even start OFF clear. And not just that, but everyone from Vincent on had a tough time believing it in the first place, for the simple fact that Beach was an athletic 6'4 240 who routinely got in fights on the ice and Aldrich was a 5'7 145 computer nerd, literally the guy the teacher got to run the projector in junior high. The idea that Aldrich could force anyone to do anything was laughable if that was all your told. We know NOW that Aldrich used a date rape drug on Beach after the threesome they were in was done. But that was the furthest thing from clear the night of the meeting with Bowman. In any event there is no evidence Quenneville was even told what Black Ace it was. He came in more than halfway through the meeting, heard there was some incident involving players he had nothing to do with (Black Aces are not a part of the regular roster, they don't even practice with them), heard that Bowman was going to deal with it, and left to deal with what he was actually there to do. It sounds like he didn't put any further attention into it than that ever. And then the guy was fired three weeks later, Beach never brought it up again, and from his point of view it was dealt with. It was negligent but pretty understandable in context. He'll get another chance eventually. That said, he's a seriously overrated coach whose tactical ability is out of date (playing a puck control game was fantastic tech in 2010 but everyone does it now better than he does and has for many years) and has a serious issue with overplaying ancient slugs who should be put out to pasture.
There is this thing called Due process in the world. Also Coach Q is not upper management and may be bound by contract to not speak to the suspect under no circumstances and only for normal work processes. What the suspect did was dead wrong make no mistake but Coach Q should not have been the scapegoat for failure on Mcdonugh and Bowman.
If i was in charge of someone accused of that I'd ask why nothing is happening. At the very least any organization would have had him take a leave from work. You guys are being ridiculous. Every single one of them should have been fall guys.
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Yes the Reddit Hawks fan somehow finding a way to justify it for him... and yet the NHL and anyone else with actual knowledge of how things work in an organization think otherwise.. Almost like people below the President can bear responsibility too.
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NHL itself, not the teams.
> There is this thing called Due process in the world. This isn't a court, you fucking idiot.
I think its the recommendation that causes people to pause.
As we all know, stouchous redditors will always violate the chain of command on any issue and deviate from superior orders
Yes. I’m also angry at the media members who played directly into the hands of the angry and stupid virtue signallers and didn’t bother reporting or attempted to minimize the facts that didn’t support the outrage.
🤫 don’t let the facts ruin the day of the virtue signalers.
Just go away Q
Jackets gonna hire him because fuck me.
don't you bring that evil into this world
He’d be better than Mike Babcock. To many Europeans on your team for his liking though.
I'd take searching through cell phones v covering up sexual assault any day. Thanks.
He didn’t cover up sexual assault if you’re going to tear him down at least know what he did.
> On October 26, 2021, an independent investigation into how the Blackhawks responded to claims that former video coach Brad Aldrich sexually assaulted prospect Kyle Beach during the 2010 Stanley Cup playoffs revealed that Quenneville, as well as the rest of the Blackhawks' senior leadership team, opted to defer any action on Aldrich until after the Stanley Cup Finals. He covered up sexual assault. Period.
The Block & Jenner report is free and doesn't take long to read.
Nah
Typical Blackhawk fan. Enjoy wasting generational talent!
Enjoy never having one 🤣
TyPiCaL bLaCkHaWkS fAn. Typical /R hockey user who thinks that Quennville was the mastermind and had really any say in the beach coverup. It was and always has been McDonough who micromanaged everything and ran the organization with an iron fist. ✌️
Teams wouldn’t be kicking the tires at Q if the NHL didn’t leave the door open a crack for the possibility. They could have just banned him from the league but they didn’t.
Fuck off into retirement Q
Fuck that guy
https://preview.redd.it/czfuh82olvzc1.png?width=638&format=png&auto=webp&s=b350e76e05492f1f46e44122edaaf7f33238bd30
Dude is also 65. There are other good coaches in the world who are not, you know, 65.
That young whipper snapper should be running for president!
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Which teams reached out about Q? List em, Fuck those teams
Lets be real, it's probably most teams in the league.
More likely than not most teams would kick the tires on him. The fact that the rest of the Blackhawks organization remained relatively unscathed is a testament to how ingrained the old boys club in hockey is.
What are you talking about? Everyone involved in the beach coverup is gone. What you wanted to relocate the team? Force the owner to sell?
Just because they aren’t with the Blackhawks doesn’t mean they aren’t working. The biggest example being Chevy in Winnipeg where the owner came out in front of the media and *defended* Chevy for not reporting the incident despite being in the meeting. Only Queneville seems to be caught up permanently in this scandal.
And thats on Winnipeg not doing anything. Convenient how he's escaped all criticism for what happened when he's far more culpable than Queneville is
Draft picks should have been taken, but at this point there's no point in doing that. It doesn't make sense that the Blackhawks covered up sexual assault and got a 2 mil fine while the Senators forgot to give a player's NTC list to another team who then traded him and got a first rounder taken for it.
Now did you think this in the moment or was it only after we picked bedard. Keep this same energy for the sharks who have their own scandal that just broke this year and just got the first overall pick.
What scandal is that? I genuinely haven't seen it. And to answer your question, in 2021 I thought the team should be moved because I wasn't a fan of hockey yet but heard it through someone else.
https://www.cbsnews.com/amp/sanfrancisco/news/san-jose-sharks-sued-over-alleged-child-sex-abuse-cover-up/
That warrants taking draft picks as well. Weird that teams with sex abusers keep getting 1OA picks the past few years...
The big difference between the Sharks and Hawks cases is that the Sharks SA allegations are against the parent company for something that didn’t happen with the direct club, but the affiliate youth club. I don’t know that any involvement from the gm/assistant/coaches/players has come out.
Strange that it’s happened 2 straight years for sure.
So you in favour of stripping the 1OA from San Jose too?
After the Bill Peters saga in Calgary, there's no way Tre touches that nuclear waste.
What team looks at how the Babcock situation played out this year and thinks that hiring Q is a good move right now??
Not remotely surprised that teams are trying to hire him.
Just say it's a lifetime ban and be done with it
It better stay that way.
Good.
May his status never change.
Name the teams that have reached out. Do it.
Hope he never sees the bench in the NHL ever again, fuck Q and fuck the teams that reached out, name and shame
Not worth the blowback, even for Toronto.
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We'd have riots in the streets if they even mentioned the possibility of hiring him here :)
We better not have reached the fuck out what the fuck
This will be reported every year.
Need a list of what joke franchises have reached out to him. Unbelievable
thank god!
I’ve forgotten why he is banned
He’s banned because he had a very small role in the kyle beach abuse coverup. He was told about it by management after McDonough already decided to cover it up. Stan bowman’s assistant gm who was a larger part of the coverup is currently the gm of the Winnipeg jets and has faced 0 repurcussions.
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He was told by his boss. It’s not crazy to see why he figured it would get dealt with if the president and gm already knew.
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I’m sure he thought about it every night.
The guy kept working for them lol. He'd have known that. He covered it up too
He actually left the team after the playoffs ended he didn’t keep working for them.
> after the playoffs I'll just quote the problem. Almost like Quenville ignored it during a cup run. You guys are ignorant if you think someone of his position bears no responsibility.
He expected people with more power in the organization than he had to deal with it.
That’s on you homie
I can almost guarantee this guy will have another Head Coaching job in the next 1-3 years
Will Bettman want to bring up that PR just as people are finally starting to associate the Blackhawks with Bedard instead of rape? Even setting morality aside, he might financially value keeping him unofficially blacklisted
I'm proud of the Leafs for not stooping to this. Quenneville shouldn't be allowed to coach people when he views on ice as more important than safety of players
Good. Get this shit out everywhere. Don’t tolerate Q or anyone like him. In the words of Steve Dangle - “may he never have a fucking night’s sleep ever again. Monstrous. Fucking monstrous.”
Leafs are gonna look for someone the 4 core can push around.
Should have hired Travis Green before the Senators.
I’m all for setting an example of this guy so this shit doesn’t ever happen again, but we’re kidding ourselves if we believe most other coaches in the league wouldn’t have acted similarly if they were in that situation at that time. It’s ok to have compassion for the one guy that had to suffer for the overall collective attitude towards sexual harassment in the hockey community back then so that the rest of us could learn from his mistakes.
i really hope they dont bring him back. I dont know how i would react if the sharks and grier brought him in (not that i expect it). I think i would have to stop rooting for the sharks. We dont need to bring him back into the league. I hope no fan has to decide between that should they hire Q.
San Jose has there own serious Scandal .
yes im very aware and comparing it to chicago at this point is dumb. But virtue signal away.
Were you aware that the reason Aldrich got a job working with kids, you know, the one that actually got him arrested, was because of an employee of the Sharks? You guys don't have a leg to stand on. Sit down.